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What Obama Doesn’t Want You to Know About His Health Plan

At the top of PBS’s latest Bill Moyers Journal, Moyers chose clips of the “usual suspects” opposed to Obama’s health care proposal – a Republican legislator shouting “socialism,” Glenn Beck, Michael Steele, and Bill Kristol, who worked to “drive a stake through” the heart of health care reform in 1993 and 2009. The problem with the GOP’s stock opposition language is that it inaccurately describes what’s really wrong with Obama’s plan, which enriches the profit-motivated private sector and strengthens its controls over policies, at the expense of average Americans forced to sign up.

The real reason insurance companies brought back “Harry & Louise” ads: Obama’s plan rewards private health insurance companies with expanded enrollments but little reward for the Americans “mandated” (forced) to buy these plans. (See Paul Krugman’s blog post, “Why markets can’t cure healthcare.” Aside from Krugman and Moyers, are there any media outlets revealing this major flaw in the proposed system?) Thankfully, Moyers’ two guests revealed why Obama is keeping his talk “vague” so he can hide the cozy deals he’s made with private companies’ lobbyists:

arrow-blue-s“What [Obama] has essentially advocated is throwing more money into the current system. He’s treating the symptom and he’s not treating the underlying cause of our problem. Our problem is that we spend two and a half times as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, the average of other advanced countries. And we don’t get our money’s worth. So, now he says, okay, this is a terribly inefficient, wasteful system. Let’s throw some money into it. … Into the same system. That’s his problem. The other problem, in the press conference, was that he was trying to mobilize public support for a bill, and we don’t know what that bill is.”

arrow-blue-s“[H]e’s been vague right from the very beginning on this point. … I like to step back and say, “Well, what exactly is he talking about? What exactly does he mean?” And he has not been clear on that. … [H]e’s been AWOL, A-W-O-L –on details.” … “He has been out to lunch on this.”

arrow-blue-s“[Obama's plan] delivers to the private insurance industry a captive market. By the mandate. For whatever price they want to charge. … this is going to come up as a big surprise to people to realize they’re going to have to buy insurance from private insurance companies or face a tax penalty. … they can charge whatever they want. That there will be no bargaining. [That includes Medicare Part D, which under Obama's plan will continue to prevent Medicare from price-shopping for the least expensive prescription drugs.]

Who are the two Journal guests who said made these serious criticisms of Obama himself as well as his health care proposal? Their credentials are impressive:

Trudy Lieberman covers health care reform for the Columbia Journalism Review and directs the health and medicine reporting program at the City University of New York’s Graduate School of Journalism.

Marcia Angell, a physician herself, is Senior Lecturer in the Department of Social Medicine at Harvard University Medical School and was the first woman Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine. She, too, has written widely and often about health care reform.

If his two distinguished guests are so opposed to Obama’s plan and approach in selling his program to Americans, why did Moyers begin his show with a hit job on the right’s critics? What did his intro have to do with what his guests said? Is the reasoning of critics on the left more acceptable than that of the right’s? Apparently so.

You can watch a video or listen to a Podcast of the entire segment here, and you can read the full transcript.

I find Trudy Lieberman and Marcia Angell’s observations to be critically important since they spend their professional lives assessing health care delivery systems. They had plenty more to say about the grave problems with Obama’s plan that — of course — benefits his and Congress’s rich political donors and will end up costing Americans more.

One of my major problems with the bill is that although Obama says that his plan will save money, he in no way explains how that will happen. When Obama claims that his $1.4 trillion dollar plan will be “deficit neutral,” I’m amazed that he thinks he can pull that verbal trick and think any of us will buy it.

Here’s a major section of the transcript from which I pulled the quotes above the fold — and I’m not putting the text in blockquotes.

NOTE: Scroll down to the section I’ve boldfaced: What most people don’t realize is that Obama’s plan will be a huge financial bonanza for private insurance companies because people will be forced to buy health insurance even if they can’t afford it, and that the price they pay will not be less than currently available health insurance plans.

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BILL MOYERS: But the President’s already stepped on booby traps of his own making, and minefields laid by his own party, especially when the Congressional Budget Office reported that his reforms, instead of controlling costs, would send the national debt further into the stratosphere.

Meanwhile, supporters who want to scrap the present system for fundamental change are staring glumly through the fog of war at a battlefield in total disarray. They fear that in the White House’s desire to get a bill — any bill — passed by Congress, it will have been so compromised, so bent to favor the big interests, that it will be less Waterloo than water down, a steady diluting of what they’d hoped for, or America needs.

The big drug companies are already so pleased with what they’ve been promised that they’ve brought back Harry and Louise — the make-believe TV couple who helped take down the Clinton health care plan.

LOUISE: Because everyday more and more people are finding out that they can’t afford healthcare.

BILL MOYERS: But this time they’re in favor of reform…

LOUISE: Coverage people can afford. Coverage they can get…

BILL MOYERS: Could it be that Harry and Louise are happier because this time, they’re in on the deal?

What to make of all this? I’ve asked two expert analysts of health care to help me out.

[Introduction of guests.]

BILL MOYERS: So, Trudy Lieberman, is it Waterloo or no Waterloo, is that the question?

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: Waterloo for who? Whether it’s a Waterloo for the American people, who aren’t going to or may not get a resolution of this, and they certainly do need some help along the way with health care. Or is it, say, a political question for the President?

[...]

MARCIA ANGELL: So– well, it can– the failure can show up before he’s out the door. And then he’s got a real problem. He was right in his press conference, when he talked about cost as the central issue. And he said, if we don’t control cost, not only will the health system continue to disintegrate, but it’ll drag the whole economy down with it.

What he has essentially advocated is throwing more money into the current system. He’s treating the symptom and he’s not treating the underlying cause of our problem. Our problem is that we spend two and a half times as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, the average of other advanced countries. And we don’t get our money’s worth. So, now he says, okay, this is a terribly inefficient, wasteful system. Let’s throw some money into it.

BILL MOYERS: Into the same system?

MARCIA ANGELL: Into the same system. That’s his problem. The other problem, in the press conference, was that he was trying to mobilize public support for a bill, and we don’t know what that bill is.

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: I want to get to that point, because he’s been vague right from the very beginning on this point. We have not known exactly what the Obama health plan has been. Even though the headline writers, and the press has been talking about his health care overhaul for months. And so, I like to step back and say, “Well, what exactly is he talking about? What exactly does he mean?” And he has not been clear on that.

BILL MOYERS: You said he’s been AWOL, A-W-O-L–

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: Yes.

BILL MOYERS: –on details.

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: He has been out to lunch on this. And I think that’s a deliberate strategy on the part of the White House.

MARCIA ANGELL: Yes.

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: What they had done is learn from what they call the Clinton mistakes in ’93-’94. And what happened then is that Hillary came out with this big 1 thousand-page bill, although we have now another 1 thousand-page bill. And let the special interest groups sort of pick it apart. This time, they decided not to do that. That they would be deliberately vague about this. And stay as vague as they could be until push came to shove.

And so basically, it’s my belief that this whole discussion about health care reform is flying over the heads of the American people. They know about reform, but they don’t know– they know the words reform, but they don’t know what they mean at all.

BILL MOYERS: I had the same reaction you did to that press conference. And I woke up Thursday morning after the press conference, to the headline of “The New York Times” that read, “President Seeks Public Support On Health Care.” And in the margin of the Times I said, “Does the public know what is in this health care–”

MARCIA ANGELL: He doesn’t know. Nobody knows. One thing we …

BILL MOYERS: Well, somebody has to know. They keep talking about it.

MARCIA ANGELL: Well, he says, let Congress do it. In their wisdom, they’ll come out with something, and I will give you a few feel-good principles. And then we’ll wait and see what happens. Because he doesn’t want his fingerprints on it if it fails. [GOOD FOR ANGELL for pointing out Obama's slippery political style.]

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The next section of the Journal interview covers the perils of basing Obama’s plan on the private health corporations, and echoes Paul Krugman’s blog post, “Why markets can’t cure healthcare.” First, here’s what Krugman wrote about the wrongheaded provisions in Obama’s market-dependent plan:

There are two strongly distinctive aspects of health care. One is that you don’t know when or whether you’ll need care — but if you do, the care can be extremely expensive. The big bucks are in triple coronary bypass surgery, not routine visits to the doctor’s office; and very, very few people can afford to pay major medical costs out of pocket.

This tells you right away that health care can’t be sold like bread. It must be largely paid for by some kind of insurance. And this in turn means that someone other than the patient ends up making decisions about what to buy. Consumer choice is nonsense when it comes to health care. And you can’t just trust insurance companies either — they’re not in business for their health, or yours.

This problem is made worse by the fact that actually paying for your health care is a loss from an insurers’ point of view — they actually refer to it as “medical costs.” This means both that insurers try to deny as many claims as possible, and that they try to avoid covering people who are actually likely to need care. Both of these strategies use a lot of resources, which is why private insurance has much higher administrative costs than single-payer systems. And since there’s a widespread sense that our fellow citizens should get the care we need — not everyone agrees, but most do — this means that private insurance basically spends a lot of money on socially destructive activities.

The second thing about health care is that it’s complicated, and you can’t rely on experience or comparison shopping. (”I hear they’ve got a real deal on stents over at St. Mary’s!”) That’s why doctors are supposed to follow an ethical code, why we expect more from them than from bakers or grocery store owners.

You could rely on a health maintenance organization to make the hard choices and do the cost management, and to some extent we do. But HMOs have been highly limited in their ability to achieve cost-effectiveness because people don’t trust them — they’re profit-making institutions, and your treatment is their cost.

Between those two factors, health care just doesn’t work as a standard market story.

All of this doesn’t necessarily mean that socialized medicine, or even single-payer, is the only way to go. There are a number of successful health-care systems, at least as measured by pretty good care much cheaper than here, and they are quite different from each other. There are, however, no examples of successful health care based on the principles of the free market, for one simple reason: in health care, the free market just doesn’t work. And people who say that the market is the answer are flying in the face of both theory and overwhelming evidence.

(Read all.)

Now back to the Moyers interview:

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: I feel the American people need to know what is in that bill. And what’s in the bill is an individual mandate that is going to require all Americans with a few exceptions, to carry health insurance. And that means if you do not get insurance from Medicare or Medicaid or your employer. You’re going to have to go out and buy health insurance.

And that is a lot of money for most people because most of them would buy it now if they could afford it. About 85 percent of the uninsured require subsidies, because they can’t afford it. And I think this is going to come up as a big surprise to people to realize they’re going to have to buy insurance from private insurance companies or face a tax penalty.

MARCIA ANGELL: Well, that goes to the cause of the problem. We are the only advanced country in the world that has chosen to leave health care to the tender mercies of a panoply of for-profit businesses, whose purpose is to maximize income and not to provide health. And that’s exactly what they do.

BILL MOYERS: The President, as you were saying a moment ago, is saying to everybody who’s not covered, we’re going to mandate that you exercise that right. We’re going to mandate that you buy some form–

MARCIA ANGELL: We’re going to deliver the private insurance companies a captive market. That’s right. And they love that.

BILL MOYERS: Say that again.

MARCIA ANGELL: They love that.

BILL MOYERS: The– his policy does what? His program?

MARCIA ANGELL: Delivers to the private insurance industry a captive market.

BILL MOYERS: By the mandate.

MARCIA ANGELL: By the mandate.

BILL MOYERS: It says “Marcia Angell, you’ve got to–”

MARCIA ANGELL: For whatever price they want to charge. Right. And so, this will increase costs. And let me tell you what he’s running into, and he’d like to be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat, but he won’t be able to. If you leave this profit-oriented system in place, you can’t both control costs and increase coverage. You inevitably, if you try to increase coverage, increase costs. The only answer, the only answer, and he said it at the beginning of his press conference, is a single payer system. In his first sentence, he said, that is the only way to cover everyone.

BILL MOYERS: But he’s also said, if we were starting the system from scratch, we could have single payer. But we’re not starting this system from scratch.

MARCIA ANGELL: You know, you don’t pour more money into a failing system. You convert.

BILL MOYERS: I saw back in the spring– the chief lobbyist for the Big Pharma industry, Billy Tauzin, used to be a member of Congress. He was on CNBC. And he was in support of this bill, whatever this bill is. Because it would broaden the industry’s customer base by providing subsidies for people to buy–

MARCIA ANGELL: Exactly.

BILL MOYERS: More coverage from the private insurers.

TRUDY LIEBERMAN: At whatever price they want to charge. It will be a bonanza for the health insurance industry. And a bonanza for the pharmaceutical industry. And for the doctors, too. Because the doctors are going to get more paying patients, because people will now have this ticket, this insurance card, that they can whip out when they need medical services.

BILL MOYERS: So, does this explain why Harry and Louise, who were around 15 years ago to help defeat Bill Clinton’s health plan, Bill and Hillary Clinton’s health plan, are back now in support? Seemingly to be in support?

MARCIA ANGELL: You bet it does. You bet it does.

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Please check out Jerry Policoff’s article published here in May: “Barack Obama Spins the Facts, Takes Single-Payer Health Care Off the Tab.” Jerry’s piece begins with this question from a town hall meeting that made Barack Obama “uncomfortable”:

Last Thursday at a town hall meeting in Rio Rancho New Mexico President Barack Obama was asked why, when “so many people go bankrupt using their credit cards to pay for healthcare. Why have they taken single-payer off the plate (audience applause), and why is Senator Baucus on the Finance Committee discussing health care when he has received so much money from the pharmaceutical companies? Isn’t it a conflict of interest?” (more audience applause)

Once again, as Jerry makes clear in his article, Obama and Congress are doing the bidding of the lobbyists for the health care industry.

This is no surprise to the writers and readers at No Quarter who investigated Obama during his presidential run. While he claimed to be supported by small individual contributors, in fact the lion’s share of his campaign monies came from big corporations and their executives. It is they that Obama is serving, not the American people.

We need reform of our health care system. But we don’t need a plan that further rewards private industry at the exense, yet again, of the American taxpayers.

On his blog page, Bill Moyers posted “Diagnosing Proposals for Healthcare Reform.” Moyers reviews the opinions of his two guests, and adds a comment by “Clinton administration Secretary of Labor Robert Reich agreed that ‘single payer’ is the best idea, but said that it is politically impossible and that the ‘public option’ should be enacted anyway.”

At the end, Moyers asks you to weigh in:

What do you think?

  • If instituted, do you think President Obama’s proposed “public option” for health insurance would be sustainable? Why or why not?
  • Is flawed health reform legislation better than nothing or, as Marcia Angell argues, even worse? Should we start over? Explain.
  • Let Moyers know what you think.

    • Texas Playwright

      Bill Moyers is another journalist I used to respect before he soft pedaled questions in a primary/GE interview with bho the fraud.

      I am still appalled at the millions of Americans who don’t see this puppet of the greedy oligarchy for what he is–a snake oil salesman.

      • tek

        Texas: I agree totally. I will never forget when he decided to interview the candidates on their views of Supreme Court nominees during the primary season, and he didn’t even mention HIllary. He invited Obama and McCain even though the Democratic primary contest was far from over. He was sending a message: Hillary should drop out of the race and no one should take her seriously. I will never respect this man again.

        I can’t believe he’s criticizing Obama. He totally drank the Kook-Aid during primary season.

        • Ani

          Tek –

          Do you have a link for this by any chance — Moyers leaving Hillary out of the debate during the primary? I’d love to get my hands on it if you do — many thanks. :)

          • tek

            ANi: I’m sorry, I don’t, unless it would still be in the archives of his PBS site. I watched the program and was outraged that he totally overlooked her at a time when the DNC and the Obama Dems were demanding that she drop out of the race.

    • mark connette

      The mistake obama is making is clear: he doesnt intend to cut medical costs. thats not his goal. His goal is to turn America into a European-style state. I think its time to start impeachment.

      • tzada

        Agreed, however I think he intends to make us the 58th state more middle east than European.

        • BlueTopaz

          Yep. I lived in Europe. I would love to have their system here.

    • tzada

      I did watch that PBS show that you led in with. You wrote a very good post on this subject.

      I try and avoid Moyers and PBS, but it’s good to listen and learn what “they” are up to.

    • HARP

      I didn`t see any mention of what his real goal is. CONTROL. Any, and I repeat ANY bill he pushes will increase Government control. He will stop at nothing to further increase his influence over our daily lives. That’s the Saul Alinsky way.

    • mountainaires

      If we’re going to have health-care reform, why don’t we just go with single-payer, that’s my preference. I think that’s what Moyers is trying to say here.

      Thanks for the great blogpost. And, here’s another twist to the plan: They keep stressing that insurance won’t be able to deny coverage based on “pre-existing conditions.”

      That won’t stop insurance cos. from “denial of claim” tactics–a very big problem for a person fighting a major disease, who always finds out at the moment they need care most. Insurance companies, like their bankster brethren, call it “innovation!”

      This is flat-out criminal. It’s murder. These are life and death decisions: Insurance companies won’t allow you to claim coverage because it will cost them, even if you’ve paid your premiums for decades.

      Obama’s “health care reform” which leaves insurance companies in charge of our health care options, doesn’t do anything about it.

      http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/27/health-insurance-innovation/

      Insurance lobbyists altered Obama’s plans for health care reform in Illinois, and they’ve altered his proposed “health care reform” as President. He’s in their pocket.

      Barack Obama is owned and operated by big corporate industry in this country–always has been, always will be.

    • eleana

      Last September Sen. Barack Obama promised that under his health-care proposal “you’ll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves.”

      CONGRESS EXEMPT FROM HEALTH CARE BILL…Page 114 specifically exempts members of Congress from the public plan. The bill mandates that all other Americans enroll in “qualified” health plans and submit proof of enrollment to the government.

      The irony is that under the health reform he is sponsoring, it is unlikely that Sen. Ted Kennedy would have gotten the treatment he needed for his brain tumor if his case had to be reviewed by some cost-effectiveness board.

      • Peggy Sue

        Yes, eleana. A strange backpedal for Obama and our representatives. Even Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist, who has pushed for health care from the beginning, has said he will not give up his own personal coverage [that we, the taxpayers, ultimately pay for].

        The plan is either good for all of us. Or none of us.

        We have a House, Senate and WH filled with blathering hypocrits. And it goes across party lines.

        A pox on both their parties!

    • oowawa

      (from Chicago)

      Give ‘em the old three ring circus
      Stun and stagger ‘em
      When you’re in trouble, go into your dance
      Though you are stiffer than a girder
      They let ya get away with a murder
      Razzle dazzle ‘em
      And you’ve got a romance health plan!

      Excellent article, Bronwyn’s Harbor. Red flags are waving all over the place. Will we heed them, or once again fall for the old “razzle dazzle”?

    • http://helpmejoseph.typepad.com/puma_for_life/ Puma for Life

      This link takes you to Fred Thompson show; talking about how living longer is a burden to society; withholding nutrition and hydration to old people; old people are a scapegoat.

      http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream;jsessionid=E7B036799AEAE2D93584ECBB96AD70F9?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03NDIzJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPTMyMCZwbGF5bGlzdFNpemU9MQ==

    • Doc99

      From the Washington Post: As Quality Rises, So Does The Cost.

      The evolution of heart attack treatment over the past three decades is a story of doing more things to more people at greater expense with better results. It is a portrait in miniature of medicine in the United States.

      Although inappropriate care, high administrative costs, inflated prices and fraud all add to the country’s gigantic medical bill, the biggest driver of the upward curve of health spending has been the discovery of new and better things to do when someone gets sick.

      “Money matters in health care as it does in few other industries,” wrote Harvard University health economist David Cutler in 2004. “Where we have spent a lot, we have received a lot in return.”

      You can have cheap, you can have fast, and you can have good. However, you only get to pick two.

    • Adopted

      It’s funny that there is liberal opposition to the plan as well as conservative, yet the two sides really aren’t coming together. They still, for the most part, don’t realize they’re on the same side!

      Imagine getting the tea partyers and the single-payers together in the same room, where they slowly discover they’ve been pitted against each other in this boondoggle for the oligarchy!

      I’ve been reading mostly the conservative sites, and they’re up in arms about the proposed “government takeover” of healthcare. What most don’t realize (and I don’t think I realized it either until now) is that this is another BAILOUT bill. This will deliver a captive market for the big insurers, and direct billions of taxpayer dollars into the arms of a few big corporations.

      It’s a giveaway — not to the people — but to the powerful elites. That’s why they’re working behind closed doors to do this! They can’t be upfront about it.

      We’re being played, people …

      • oowawa

        It’s funny that there is liberal opposition to the plan as well as conservative, yet the two sides really aren’t coming together. They still, for the most part, don’t realize they’re on the same side!

        This is true. And this, to me, is what has made NQ a special place to be for the past year: “the two sides” have found some common ground in the middle on NQ. The O phenomenon has brought many of us together against Him. A Great Uniter!

        Of course, down the road we’ll probably find reason to be at each other’s throats again, but for now I’ll enjoy the non-partisan spirit of independent dissent.

    • Doc99

      Handicapped Student asks Dem operatives: Will handicapped people like me get shut out under Obamacare?

      Noah Logue is a deaf student at a local college in St. Louis. Noah currently is able to afford the equipment necessary for him to communicate and lead an independent life. Under Obamacare Noah may not qualify since he is special needs citizen.

      Noah asked Dem operatives at the McCaskill town hall if he is going to be punished under Obamacare.

      Video at link.

      Folks … Hillarycare was about competition. Obamacare is about control.

    • tzada

      Useless Eaters

      While Americans worry over government insurance

      plans, longer waits for treatment, and “healthcare rationing,” a more sinister agenda lurks in the shadows of the healthcare bill now before the House of Representatives. Today’s Medicare recipients could be the first to experience our government’s new solution to America’s “useless eaters.”

      Section 1233 of HR 3200, the healthcare reform measure under consideration, mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” Under the proposal, all senior citizens receiving government medical care would be required to undergo these counseling sessions every five years. Further reading of the law reveals that these sessions are nothing more than a not-so-veiled attempt to convince the elderly to forego treatment. HR 3200 calls outright for these compulsory consultations to recommend “palliative care and hospice.” These are typically administered in the place of treatment intended to prolong life, and instead focus on pain relief until death. These are, of course, reasonable and beneficial options for terminally ill patients and their families.

      But this legislation doesn’t stop there. Section 1233 requires “an explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.” But, under the terms of the section, the federal government can compel more frequent end-of-life sessions if it declares a “significant change” in the health of the Medicare recipient, a change that the bill does not confine to fatal illness, but which encompasses broad and abstract conditions described as “chronic,” “progressive,” or “life-limiting.” The bill even empowers physicians to make an “actionable medical order” to “limit some or all specified interventions…” In effect, the government can determine that a “life-limiting” condition demands the withholding of treatment.

      The bill puts the Secretary of Health in charge of life and death decisions coming out of these sessions. Under the heading, “QUALITY REPORTING INITIATIVE,” the bill says, “For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for covered professional services furnished during 2011 and any subsequent year, to the extent that measures are available, the Secretary shall include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if appropriate. Such measures shall measure both the creation of and adherence to orders for life-sustaining treatment.”

      These measures are merely an extension of the healthcare provisions hidden in the stimulus bill, which contained alarming new guidelines that required medical practitioners to judge whether or not treating certain patients was “comparatively effective.” These decisions were to be based on the findings of a presidential advisory council on the costs of varying treatments. As a result of these changes, treatment is now a question of “cost” and humans are viewed as potential “liabilities” instead of patients.

      Doctors up in arms over these radical changes have been attacked with the worst kind of demagoguery imaginable. Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) lacks any shame, saying that doctors who oppose this legislation have “lost sight of the common good and the pledge they took in the Hippocratic oath.” Last time I checked, the Hippocratic oath didn’t say anything about refusing to treat patients on the basis of cost. And somehow, whenever the words “common good” are thrown around, individuals are about to be hurt. McDermott even went on to accuse anti-reform doctors of “practicing fear without a license,” saying that “they should be subject to a malpractice suit.”

      President Obama has even been so disingenuous as to accuse Republicans of denying medical treatment to people that need it, saying, “The opponents of health insurance reform would have us do nothing. But think about what doing nothing, in the face of ever increasing costs, will do to you and your family.” This is a classic false choice scenario. Either we pass Obama’s legislation, or people will die. In fact, doing nothing is infinitely preferable to doing the wrong thing, especially when we’re being pushed to move too quickly.

      It was the same with the stimulus package. And we all know how that turned out: 9.4 percent unemployment and a budget deficit four times larger than when President Bush was in office. Obama has become a master at using false urgency to achieve hidden goals completely unrelated to the issue at hand.

      The language of Obama’s healthcare reform bill should be a warning to us. This is only the first step in a process that spells death to our way of life. This bill is a test to see what the American people will allow. If you treasure the elderly and the wisdom of previous generations, if you value human worth and care about equality for all Americans, oppose this bill.

      The real concern is not the imaginary people who might die without this legislation, but rather those real people who might die because of it. Never before have we been this close to making federal law that formalizes procedures for limiting the care we will provide to certain categories of citizens.

      Never before have we been this close to adopting a system that will tell certain citizens to forego treatment for the good of their country.

      Totalitarian regimes approach matters of human worth in this way. But this is America, and our Constitution says that, “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process.”

      But if HR 3200 becomes law, “due process” regarding someone’s life will become a question for bureaucrats. When all is said and done, the ultimate result of the proposed bill is to transfer to government the unprecedented power of determining who lives and who dies.

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/useless_eaters.html

      The term useless eaters was first used by extreme environmentalists. I read a memo once where they said that they would destroy America by green lining.
      Extremists often climb into bed together to both reach their goals. Servitude/Slavery/Death to the masses. Elitists and Control Freaks …. Let’s not let them win.

    • tzada

      http://www.floppingaces.net/

      Canadian Health Care

      Ask a Canadian!

      For those of you who find the current debate over the details of the Dems proposed health care “reform” too complicated, here’s a one minute eye opener:

    • Adopted

      But I think the point the Moyers’ guests make is still true:

      We already ration healthcare. We ration it based on income.

      The libertarian in me says: So, everything is rationed. I certainly have not been able to buy as many shoes as I’d like due to my economic circumstances. Should the government help me buy more shoes?

      But I think that misses the argument. We need to find a way to get the bureaucrats, the “administrators” and the insurance profiteers out of healthcare.

      When we have 19 vice presidents at a Chicago Urban hospital making hundreds of thousands each, something is wrong!!!

    • Doc99

      How can anyone blame the Free Market System here? Markets can only work if the patient aka the consumer knows the price. Insurance companies won’t post reimbursement schedules; doctors’ practices don’t post fees because of FTC anti-trust concerns and Hospitals won’t post their charges. Without knowing the price, the consumer cannot possibly know whether he gets a good or bad deal. So therefore, the reason this market fails is not because of a failure of the Free Market but because the Market isn’t Free.

    • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

      So Obama’s answer to the health care crisis is to reward the very corporations (Insurance and Big Pharma) who have caused it. Hmmm… sounds familiar with this Administration. Aren’t they the same folks that spent taxpayer money to “bailout” the financial institutions which caused the recession? The same financial institutions that are unwilling to make loans to the very taxpayers that bailed them out?

      I’ve taken my own foray into the health care reform debate on my blog. The newest article is What’s good enough for the Moose is good enough for the Panderer

      Read it if you like and comment if you desire.
      Don’t give up the fight. The life you save may literally be your own.

    • Barry

      A few comments on Angell and Lieberman’s Moyers interview.

      First, Angell and Liberman are 100% for healthcare reform. In fact, they want to go straight to a single-payer system or want a total government take-over of healthcare. I think the current healthcare bill may actually be the path to single-payer, which means that these two could still get what they want out of this bill. It is probably unrealistic to go directly to single-payer, as it would take time to adjust 16% of the economy. However, where Lieberman and Angell really seem to disagree with the administration is with the process and how this has unfolded. However, Angell and Lieberman significantly contradict themselves in this interview on this point.

      They first state:

      TRUDY LIEBERMAN: It’s really a political calculation. And I think that they believe that they have to act quickly, because it might not happen. Because the sooner you have the special interests going back home, during the August recess and holding town hall meetings and talking to people in coffee shops, they’re going to find that maybe this isn’t something that people really want or have doubts about.

      MARCIA ANGELL: Well, I think we are in a hurry. I think that President Obama’s worried, that what happened with the Clinton plan can happen with him. And I do have a feeling of Déjà vu all over again. That this is like 1993. That the opposition is having a chance to mobilize. To march out these Canadians who say they had brain tumors and had to die. Or these ads that say 20 percent of Europeans drop dead.

      TRUDY LIEBERMAN: And Harry and Louise are back
      MARCIA ANGELL: And I think he does. He is right to worry about that. And he is right to want to do it in a hurry. The problem is he is not doing the right thing.

      They agree with Obama that he should be in a hurry to get a bill passed before the lobbying becomes over powering. That is their first argument or actually an agreement with Obama.

      But Angell also says in the last line is:

      “The problem is he is not doing the right thing.”

      So what does Angell and Lieberman suggest is the “right thing”.

      I think we have to start all over on this. I really do. I think we have to go for a single payer system. You could institute that gradually. You could do it state by state. You could do it decade by decade. You could improve Medicare. That is, make it nonprofit. But extend it down to age 55 and age 45 and age 35. It would give the private insurance industry a chance to go into hurricanes, earthquakes or something. To get out of the health business. It could be done gradually. I think that has to be done. And it’s the only thing that can be done.”

      And now, besides “starting over” what is the different in the approach suggested by these policy analysts: ” You could institute that gradually. You could do it state by state.” I thought the gradualism was awful, given that they agreed that Obama is right to be in a “hurray”? And I thought the most vibrant version of the Bill moving out of the House HELP committee had an Amendment, passed bipartisanly, that makes provision for, makes the rules allowing, gives permission to: States Implementing Statewide Single Payer Systems. So the bill actually sets up a road map for single payer.

      “It could be done gradually. I think that has to be done. And it’s the only thing that can be done.”

      So except for “starting over” – they are in complete agreement with the present process. What Angell and Lieberman want is so close to what is happening.

      Instead of “starting-over” as these two recommend, why not get done what we can now, which could put us on a path to single-payer, as they seem to want? There throwing “good money after bad” comment I am afraid really ignores the political realities.

    • Doc99

      Healthcare for those not so liberal.

      Long … read the whole thing … plenty of grist for this mill.

      • mary

        Doc 99

        This “Doctor’s Post” was obviously written by a “Free Marketer for Health Care”. His socially myopic outlook colors his narrow Republican view of health care as a “product” that be sold to those who can afford it. It is doubtful that the young doctor has learned anything about citizens’ right to healthcare and the benefits of universal healthcare coverage in his brief lifespan, let alone from Canadian doctors with whom he claims to have worked. Most Canadian doctors adamantly and unwaveringly SUPPORT SINGLE-PAYER NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. It works. But this fellow wants to REWARD INSURANCE CO. CROOKS

      • mary

        Doc 99

        This “Doctor’s Post” was obviously written by a “Free Marketer for Health Care”. His socially myopic outlook colors his narrow Republican view of health care as a “product” that be sold to those who can afford it. It is doubtful that the young doctor has learned anything about citizens’ right to healthcare and the benefits of universal healthcare coverage in his brief lifespan, let alone from Canadian doctors with whom he claims to have worked. Most Canadian doctors adamantly and unwaveringly SUPPORT SINGLE-PAYER NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. It works. But this fellow wants to REWARD INSURANCE CO. VULTURES WHO MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF THE SICK AND INJURED!

    • WMCB

      Did you guys know that James Roosevelt, the DNC rules committee chair who helped steal Hillary’s delegates, is CEO of a health insurance company?

      The health insurance lobby loves them some Obama.

    • mary

      Very good post here and accurately reflects the real issues raised by Dr. Marcia Angell and Prof. Trudy Lieberamn against Obama’s “OBAMYOPIC” through-the-drive-in-window HealthCare!

      However, we must acknowledge that Hillary, who was the true pioneer when everyone else was sleeping at the switch, did research on the Canadian system to find out why Canada since l965 spends only 1/3 in administrative costs on healthcare and per capita allocation. The U.S. is #37 BELOW COSTA RICA (#36) and thankfully above SLOVANIA. What has contributed to this dismal statistic is the reluctance, indeed refusal by Republicans to take the matter seriously and treat it as a chronic symptom of twisted priorities. This is a MORAL, humanistic and national issue that cannot possibly be made to fit in a (failed) FREE MARKET rhetoric a la Reagan/Bush.

      Give Democrats credit for being the only Party that has consistently tried to remedy this festering wound that is now a cancer metastasized thru the body politic.
      The real problem is OBAMA himself. He is clueless, and knows little if not nothing about this subject that is the cause of 65% of bankruptcies (and 80% of them have insurance!!).

      Only a SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WORKS. Canadians would rather lynch and tar and feather their politicians if anyone of them dared to take away what is considered their INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHT–THE RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE FOR ALL CITIZENS!

      Read about the 59-year-old American lawyer (N.Y.Times Nicolas Kristof on Diane W) who has made her home in Canada, primarily because of its fantastic universal health care system! Don’t believe the Republican lies on this….

      Obama’s an idiot. But Health care is too serious to be played a fool by any party that wants to get reelected. Tax the top 5% and cut half the military budget and you’ve got your money. Don’t dare touch Medicare/aid! Shame….

    • mary

      Obummer doesn’t have the passion and fire in his belly to take up the cause of Universal Healthcare properly and in a dynamic Hillary-like way! She was the real PIONEEER of healthcare. She understood that being #37 (below COSTA RICA) but above SLOVANIA is an embarrassement to her country.

      NATIONAL SINGLE-PAYER Universal healthcare should be the INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHT OF ALL CITIZENS. It is in Canada since l965 and that’s why Nicolas Kristof is writing on Americans who immigrate to CANADA to avoid BANKRUPTCY for medical bills….