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		<title>By: TheViking</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-308733</link>
		<dc:creator>TheViking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On THIS SITE you are.... Step off TROLL.

You seriously think we give a shit about what you think at this point?

Btw, your Obama IS a fascist and communist as for as were concerned.

Want a couple more delegates to go along with the Kool-aid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On THIS SITE you are&#8230;. Step off TROLL.</p>
<p>You seriously think we give a shit about what you think at this point?</p>
<p>Btw, your Obama IS a fascist and communist as for as were concerned.</p>
<p>Want a couple more delegates to go along with the Kool-aid?</p>
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		<title>By: TheViking</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-308705</link>
		<dc:creator>TheViking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear it people :)

I put my donation on Recurring, every month for a $100 since she won PA...

It&#039;s the first time I&#039;ve ever given to a Polician...

Of course, if I was around for Bill I would have donated to him too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it people <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I put my donation on Recurring, every month for a $100 since she won PA&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve ever given to a Polician&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, if I was around for Bill I would have donated to him too!</p>
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		<title>By: Not until 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not until 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@josgirl

Thanks for the link.  Its interesting that the subject of the memo is &quot;Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons&quot;. That is an odd title for a plan to use divisive racial politics in a campaign. 

If you remember, just before that memo appeared, James Clyburn (D-SC) -- the highest-ranking African-American in Congress -- had said he might abandon his position of neutrality and endorse Obama because of remarks by the Clintons. I believe the obvious conclusion is that this memo was meant to provide examples of the type of remarks that upset Clyburn.  The author over-reached a bit in my opinion because Clyburn did not say he was bothered by anti-Obama remarks, but by what he considered remarks that diminished the role of civil rights activists.  Indeed, the the memo lists several such statement by the Clintons and their supporters. However, including the anti-Obama remarks put the type of spin on the topic that I imagine would upset Clyburn just as much as the Clintons. Perhaps that is why he still has not endorsed anyone (though it is rumored he will do so today or tomorrow).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@josgirl</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.  Its interesting that the subject of the memo is &#8220;Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons&#8221;. That is an odd title for a plan to use divisive racial politics in a campaign. </p>
<p>If you remember, just before that memo appeared, James Clyburn (D-SC) &#8212; the highest-ranking African-American in Congress &#8212; had said he might abandon his position of neutrality and endorse Obama because of remarks by the Clintons. I believe the obvious conclusion is that this memo was meant to provide examples of the type of remarks that upset Clyburn.  The author over-reached a bit in my opinion because Clyburn did not say he was bothered by anti-Obama remarks, but by what he considered remarks that diminished the role of civil rights activists.  Indeed, the the memo lists several such statement by the Clintons and their supporters. However, including the anti-Obama remarks put the type of spin on the topic that I imagine would upset Clyburn just as much as the Clintons. Perhaps that is why he still has not endorsed anyone (though it is rumored he will do so today or tomorrow).</p>
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		<title>By: SueB.</title>
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		<dc:creator>SueB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...and most of the time, he doesn’t seem to have enough experience to be Senator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? How can you tell?? He hasn&#039;t done anything so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;and most of the time, he doesn’t seem to have enough experience to be Senator.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? How can you tell?? He hasn&#8217;t done anything so far.</p>
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		<title>By: incredulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>incredulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who disagree with you are trolls?  

It&#039;s taken a couple of days for me to figure out what&#039;s actually going on around here.  The advertisment for &quot;Obama: The Postmodern Coup&quot; probably should have tipped me off, but I wasn&#039;t paying all that much attention to the ads.  I&#039;d deluded myself into thinking that this was a site oriented toward the shared values and principles of the democratic party, where varied ideas about such things were being seriously and thoughfully discussed.  

Apparently not.  

The only thing I&#039;m still wondering is whether or not most here realize exactly &lt;em&gt;how much damage they&#039;re doing&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;who and what they&#039;re doing it to&lt;/em&gt;.    

No doubt many believe they&#039;re somehow damaging &lt;em&gt;Obama&lt;/em&gt;.  That&#039;s an error of judgement.  After two days of observation, I&#039;ve yet to see a &lt;em&gt;single post&lt;/em&gt; grounding any criticism of the man in fact of word or deed.  It&#039;s all entirely &lt;em&gt;superfical&lt;/em&gt;, and a good part of it may actually be &lt;em&gt;racial&lt;/em&gt;.  &lt;em&gt;Not once &lt;/em&gt;have I seen any mention of what the man has said, or what his actual positions are.  I&#039;ve seen it suggested that he&#039;s a clumsy communicator and of marginal intelligence.  Obviously no one who has ever listened to the man could possibly believe that--unless, of course, they&#039;re a bit marginal themselves.  I&#039;ve seen him called a communist, a fascist, a racist, a radical, a sexist, etc, all without a single word or instance cited even remotely suggestive of &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; of those things--unless, of course, one is gullible enough to have been sucked in by the whole absurd Rev. Wright smear campaign.  Just when I thought the bottom of the barrel had surely been reached, I&#039;ve seen his &lt;em&gt;wife&lt;/em&gt; attacked.  

This, presumably, is all intended to convince somebody &lt;em&gt;not already convinced &lt;/em&gt;of certain problems concerning Barack Obama.  All it &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; does is convince any thoughful person that he or she is wasting time listening to the rantings the politically unsophisticated.  

The really sad thing, though, is the claim these people are laying to Hillary Clinton and her campaign effort.  Ironically, it&#039;s one of those &lt;em&gt;guilt-by-association&lt;/em&gt; problems.  What do you suppose &lt;em&gt;Mrs. Clinton&#039;s &lt;/em&gt;reaction would be to the assertion that Barack Obama is a fascist, a communist, or a radical--bearing in mind that their political ideologies and platforms are so amazingly similar?  Or how would she react to those who push the idea that if Obama is nominated, we should abandon all democratic principles and vote in a republican, who is a proponent of most of the things she herself opposes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who disagree with you are trolls?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s taken a couple of days for me to figure out what&#8217;s actually going on around here.  The advertisment for &#8220;Obama: The Postmodern Coup&#8221; probably should have tipped me off, but I wasn&#8217;t paying all that much attention to the ads.  I&#8217;d deluded myself into thinking that this was a site oriented toward the shared values and principles of the democratic party, where varied ideas about such things were being seriously and thoughfully discussed.  </p>
<p>Apparently not.  </p>
<p>The only thing I&#8217;m still wondering is whether or not most here realize exactly <em>how much damage they&#8217;re doing</em> and <em>who and what they&#8217;re doing it to</em>.    </p>
<p>No doubt many believe they&#8217;re somehow damaging <em>Obama</em>.  That&#8217;s an error of judgement.  After two days of observation, I&#8217;ve yet to see a <em>single post</em> grounding any criticism of the man in fact of word or deed.  It&#8217;s all entirely <em>superfical</em>, and a good part of it may actually be <em>racial</em>.  <em>Not once </em>have I seen any mention of what the man has said, or what his actual positions are.  I&#8217;ve seen it suggested that he&#8217;s a clumsy communicator and of marginal intelligence.  Obviously no one who has ever listened to the man could possibly believe that&#8211;unless, of course, they&#8217;re a bit marginal themselves.  I&#8217;ve seen him called a communist, a fascist, a racist, a radical, a sexist, etc, all without a single word or instance cited even remotely suggestive of <em>any</em> of those things&#8211;unless, of course, one is gullible enough to have been sucked in by the whole absurd Rev. Wright smear campaign.  Just when I thought the bottom of the barrel had surely been reached, I&#8217;ve seen his <em>wife</em> attacked.  </p>
<p>This, presumably, is all intended to convince somebody <em>not already convinced </em>of certain problems concerning Barack Obama.  All it <em>actually</em> does is convince any thoughful person that he or she is wasting time listening to the rantings the politically unsophisticated.  </p>
<p>The really sad thing, though, is the claim these people are laying to Hillary Clinton and her campaign effort.  Ironically, it&#8217;s one of those <em>guilt-by-association</em> problems.  What do you suppose <em>Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s </em>reaction would be to the assertion that Barack Obama is a fascist, a communist, or a radical&#8211;bearing in mind that their political ideologies and platforms are so amazingly similar?  Or how would she react to those who push the idea that if Obama is nominated, we should abandon all democratic principles and vote in a republican, who is a proponent of most of the things she herself opposes?</p>
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		<title>By: SueB.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-307130</link>
		<dc:creator>SueB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall MEchelle bashing Bill about it, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall MEchelle bashing Bill about it, too.</p>
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		<title>By: SueB.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-307098</link>
		<dc:creator>SueB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding? He WAS listening to the tripe being shoveled out at &quot;church.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding? He WAS listening to the tripe being shoveled out at &#8220;church.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SueB.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-307081</link>
		<dc:creator>SueB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Carters and the Clintons were &quot;outsiders, rubes, and hillbillys.&quot; Not of the DC Elite. Of course the &#039;powers-that-be&#039; didn&#039;t like them intruding on their fiefdom. I say throw all the buggers out and start over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Carters and the Clintons were &#8220;outsiders, rubes, and hillbillys.&#8221; Not of the DC Elite. Of course the &#8216;powers-that-be&#8217; didn&#8217;t like them intruding on their fiefdom. I say throw all the buggers out and start over!</p>
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		<title>By: SueB.</title>
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		<dc:creator>SueB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a high colonic. Or several.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or a high colonic. Or several.</p>
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		<title>By: SueB.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-307024</link>
		<dc:creator>SueB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP&#039;s plan was to dismantle the education system in this country, starting with Raygun. With only a brief respite when Pres. Clinton was in office, the job has now been completed by W.
I weep for my country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP&#8217;s plan was to dismantle the education system in this country, starting with Raygun. With only a brief respite when Pres. Clinton was in office, the job has now been completed by W.<br />
I weep for my country.</p>
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		<title>By: beachnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>beachnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the argument that Abraham Lincoln had very little experience, (just like Obama), and just look at how well everything turned out--Are you out of your freakin mind?  The world has grown by quite a bit since then, and the issues have become very complex in nature.  What a joke to try and compare those times with the present.  Really-you can&#039;t be serious.  Obama does not have the experience to be President, and most of the time, he doesn&#039;t seem to have enough experience to be Senator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the argument that Abraham Lincoln had very little experience, (just like Obama), and just look at how well everything turned out&#8211;Are you out of your freakin mind?  The world has grown by quite a bit since then, and the issues have become very complex in nature.  What a joke to try and compare those times with the present.  Really-you can&#8217;t be serious.  Obama does not have the experience to be President, and most of the time, he doesn&#8217;t seem to have enough experience to be Senator.</p>
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		<title>By: josgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2888/when-racial-politics-is-more-important-than-our-country/#comment-306808</link>
		<dc:creator>josgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this will explain why Obama gets blamed for the media&#039;s &quot;transgressions.&quot;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this will explain why Obama gets blamed for the media&#8217;s &#8220;transgressions.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right.  We can figure he will probably win IL.  However, he&#039;s gonna have to &quot;claw, Sweetie&quot; for Massachusetts.  It&#039;s one of those states with a declining population of OLDER people, and they REALLY aren&#039;t feeling the Barack Love.  

Diehard Dems are saying &quot;McCain&quot; before Barry.  They aren&#039;t enthused, but they&#039;ll go for even a bum with experience over a flouncing greenhorn with sleazy associates and an obviously padded resume.  


Clinton can win MA without breaking a sweat, Barry is going to have to spend time and money.  And he still may not win. 

NH might go for Johnny too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right.  We can figure he will probably win IL.  However, he&#8217;s gonna have to &#8220;claw, Sweetie&#8221; for Massachusetts.  It&#8217;s one of those states with a declining population of OLDER people, and they REALLY aren&#8217;t feeling the Barack Love.  </p>
<p>Diehard Dems are saying &#8220;McCain&#8221; before Barry.  They aren&#8217;t enthused, but they&#8217;ll go for even a bum with experience over a flouncing greenhorn with sleazy associates and an obviously padded resume.  </p>
<p>Clinton can win MA without breaking a sweat, Barry is going to have to spend time and money.  And he still may not win. </p>
<p>NH might go for Johnny too.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...nice guys, but LOSERS.  Makes you wonder what party those DNC assholes worship in the deep dark recesses of their craven hearts. 

They can&#039;t lead, they sure can&#039;t follow the lead of the electorate, so what they need to do is get the fuck out of the way.  They are both stupid and evil.  Like Bush, only they should know better.  The fact that they don&#039;t leaves me so disgusted with them that I&#039;ll &quot;move on&quot; to becoming an Independent after the general election.  

I&#039;ve decided that I really do like that PUMA idea--PARTY UNITY, MY ASS.  

You don&#039;t correct bad behavior by continuing to enable it.  I&#039;ll rely on a Democratic Congress to correct Johnny Boy if he goes too far afield.  But Barry ain&#039;t getting my vote, the DNC ain&#039;t getting my checks, and I&#039;m through with working my ass off every four years.  The Obama Crew can call those potsmoking little shits out of their mamas&#039; basements, and see how well they do calling little old ladies and ecouraging them to GOTV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;nice guys, but LOSERS.  Makes you wonder what party those DNC assholes worship in the deep dark recesses of their craven hearts. </p>
<p>They can&#8217;t lead, they sure can&#8217;t follow the lead of the electorate, so what they need to do is get the fuck out of the way.  They are both stupid and evil.  Like Bush, only they should know better.  The fact that they don&#8217;t leaves me so disgusted with them that I&#8217;ll &#8220;move on&#8221; to becoming an Independent after the general election.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve decided that I really do like that PUMA idea&#8211;PARTY UNITY, MY ASS.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t correct bad behavior by continuing to enable it.  I&#8217;ll rely on a Democratic Congress to correct Johnny Boy if he goes too far afield.  But Barry ain&#8217;t getting my vote, the DNC ain&#8217;t getting my checks, and I&#8217;m through with working my ass off every four years.  The Obama Crew can call those potsmoking little shits out of their mamas&#8217; basements, and see how well they do calling little old ladies and ecouraging them to GOTV.</p>
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		<title>By: JJR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Me:

Hi, I appreciate your comments.  Also, Obama quoted the Malcolm X movie when he stated to voters in SC that they were &quot;bamboozled and hoodwinked.&quot;  An African American journalist noted that those are code words that most African Americans recognize as referring to racism by White politicians.  Also, Obama distorted Hillary&#039;s comments and accused Hillary of undermining Martin Luther King Jr.&#039;s legacy when she correctly noted that Lyndon B. Johnson built upon Martin Luther King Jr.&#039;s tremendous groundwork by maneuvering through Congress (something that required extensive legislative experience) to get the Civil Rights Act passed.  I have been trying to understand the distortion of Bill&#039;s SC Jesse Jackson comment.  I always instinctively knew it was being distorted, but have not fully understood.  Could you tell me where the full tape of what he said is?  Thanks.</description>
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<p>Hi, I appreciate your comments.  Also, Obama quoted the Malcolm X movie when he stated to voters in SC that they were &#8220;bamboozled and hoodwinked.&#8221;  An African American journalist noted that those are code words that most African Americans recognize as referring to racism by White politicians.  Also, Obama distorted Hillary&#8217;s comments and accused Hillary of undermining Martin Luther King Jr.&#8217;s legacy when she correctly noted that Lyndon B. Johnson built upon Martin Luther King Jr.&#8217;s tremendous groundwork by maneuvering through Congress (something that required extensive legislative experience) to get the Civil Rights Act passed.  I have been trying to understand the distortion of Bill&#8217;s SC Jesse Jackson comment.  I always instinctively knew it was being distorted, but have not fully understood.  Could you tell me where the full tape of what he said is?  Thanks.</p>
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