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The Obama Birth Certificate Controversy

By Larry Johnson on July 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM in Current Affairs

Due to the number of comments, we’ve closed comments in this post, and re-posted Larry’s essay above to allow you to continue your discussion.

The Obama birth certificate controversy emerged again in the last couple of weeks thanks to the questioning of Lou Dobbs:

I think it is important to put to rest the notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. He was not. He was born in Hawaii, a U.S. state, and by virtue of that fact is a U.S. citizen. So what’s the big deal? The Obama team have refused to release the original birth certificate and that fact fuels speculation that they are hiding something. Well they are. What?

Barack Obama was not named “Barack” in the original birth certificate. He was “Barry” not Barack. But that’s not all. The birth certificate was amended when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian muslim, around 1968. David Axelrod and Barack Obama decided against trying to explain these issues, worried that the Soetoro birth certificate would reinforce the charge that Barack was a secret muslim. Such a charge would have muddied the waters and alarmed too many folks in the midwest and south. They covered it up and, with the help of an incurious media, kept these questions tamped down.

If you want to read more about Barack’s life as Barry Soetoro you should go back and read a post I did a year ago.

Let me be clear. Barack Obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be President. He was a young boy when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. As a youngster he had no say in the amendment to his original birth certificate. He also was introduced to Islam through his step-father. But that relationship ended when Barry Obama Soetoro returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. He never renounced his U.S. citizenship. The refusal of Barack Obama and his political team to forthrightly address these issues has kept the controversy alive.

The following video by video blogger syc1959 illustrates how a birth certificate is legally “updated” to reflect an adoption.

Barack Obama is now caught in the lie. If he comes clean with the original copy of the birth certificate he will be damaged politically because it will be clear he was not forthcoming or transparent about his childhood. People will realize the story he has told is more myth than fact. This in turn will fuel a new meme, namely, that Barack Obama cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

Similarly the rightwing will be damaged if it persists with the nonsense that Barack was born in Kenya. I know many believe this but it is not true. The real reason Barack Obama is evasive about his original birth certificate is that he wants people to forget he once was an Indonesian muslim boy named Barry Soetoro. It is that simple.

  • DAB

    So much for his vaunted “transparency”.

    • Tony Stark

      Larry,

      Obama may have been born in Hawaii and therefore is a US citizen, but to be a “natural born citizen” as required by Article II of the Constitution both of your parents must also be US citizens at the time of your birth. Only when both conditions are met (both parents US citizens and you being born inside the US) can you be considered to be a natural born citizen in order to fulfil the Constitutions requirement to be eligible to be POTUS. Obama’s father was a UK citizen and he admitted that his birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948, making him a dual citizen of both the UK and the US. How can a natural born citizen of the US be governed by laws of a foreign power? The Founding Fathers put that requirement in to make sure that the POTUS will not have divided loyalties. Obama is a US citizen by being born in the US but that alone is never going to make him a “natural born citizen” to be eligible to be POTUS because of his father’s UK citizenship and his own dual citizenship at the moment of his birth.

      • Mandelay

        Glad you posted this, Mr. Stark. Many folk think the “birth certificate controversy” is about Obama being born in Kenya. It’s not. It’s about the citizenship of Obama’s father at the time of Obama’s birth. But this is not being picked up in the limited media coverage. Do you think the Supreme Court must define the term “natural born citizen” to put this controversy to rest?

      • Jillbryant

        Don’t you guys provide links to things you’re referencing?

        1) Natural born. I’m natural born even though my father was a Swiss citizen at the time of my birth but became a naturalized citizen afterwards. In fact, I believe (and I could be wrong here) that anyone born on U.S. soil is a natural born U.S. citizen – even if you are born to illegal aliens. There is natural born v. naturalized. I looked at the Constitution and law reviews and nowhere does it say anything like this. So – what is your source?

        2) Dual citizenship. I have dual citizenship. As far as I know (and I could be wrong here, too, but this is what I was told), America does not recognize my Swiss citizenship so when I’m here, I’m an American citizen and that’s it. When I’m in Switzerland and in the EU, they recognize my dual citizenship, I can travel under either passport without any problem. Again – Rabble Rouser Amy was talking about dual citizenship without providing any links to the part in the Constitution she referenced.

        Are people giving out facts or opinions….?

        • Animal Control

          I won’t quibble with your lack of knowledge of point 1, but let’s not forget the applicable date is in the early 1960′s and not current as is your dual citizenship.

    • Doc99

      Maybe Anakin Soetoro was his father?

  • Cindy

    I thought He was born in Bethlehem.

    • trixta

      LOL, Cindy!

    • tillthen

      I needed that. Having a rough day.
      Thanks, Cindy.

      • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

        Sorry to hear that, tillthen – hope it gets better!

        And that was funny, Cindy!

    • seymour glass

      now THAT’S funny!

    • abycat

      Comment of the day!

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      in a manger

    • Doc99

      His birth attended by three wise men – Wright, Alinsky and Davis.

  • JJ

    How do you know he was “Barry” in the “original” birth certificate?

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      That was my first thought, too!

  • LDW

    Two interviews still puzzle me.

    One was Obama’s Kenyan grandmother saying she was present at his birth.

    The second was the American girlfriend of Obama’s mother who, in talking about the time Obama’s mother came to visit her with baby Obama, said that Obama’s mother still was very awkward changing the baby’s diaper and the friend gave her advice on this. It seemed to me that Obama’s mother might have had a nursemaid doing this for her since her baby was born, because it doesn’t take long to become proficient at this task. A Hawaiian nursemaid? or a Kenyan nursemaid? American mothers, at the time, did typically have a hospital stay of 5 days or so, but not many had a nursemaid to help out at home for weeks afterwards.

    • TeakWoodKite

      LDW, the most puzzling thing to me is how BO describes in his book “finding his birth certificate”.

    • ritamary

      That was not his grandmother. She is one of the wives in the polygamous household of Barack Obama’s grandfather. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother disappeared many years ago.

      Also how do you know what she said? She said it in Luo. We only have someone’s word that her statement was translated correctly. Or do you speak Luo?

  • oowawa

    I think it is important to put to rest the notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. He was not. He was born in Hawaii, a U.S. state, and by virtue of that fact is a U.S. citizen.

    Larry, how do we know that? Can we assume that the FBI or some other responsible agency has verified that? Are we to accept the “Certificate of Live Birth” published on the internet as proof? I would like to know why we can “put to rest the notion.” I too would like to put this notion to rest and move on to other things, but I would like to know why I should. Do you have any evidence what the actual birth certificate looks like?

    • TeakWoodKite

      In the absence of concrete evidence proving otherwise, BO has left this issue alive. True.

      I believe there is more than “Barack Obama cannot be trusted to tell the truth.” which is well known, even without the vault copy of the BC.

      If being an anchor baby meets the Constitutional definition of Natural born and of having two parents meeting the giving thresholds of citizenship required by the Constitution then you would be correct.

      But the absence of facts do not support your statement that “Barack Obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be President.”

      Was the Astroturf by Axelrod effective? Did the political liabilities of Barry’s past make for a minefield of difficulties. Yes on both accounts.

      The ‘Why’ may be not as simple as one may like it to be.
      Sadly, the controversy will not abate until BO himself, makes ALL requested discovery transparent.

      All the lies by omission aside, Mr. Johnson, Obama’s actions in this matter are corrosive and undermine a very important trust entered into when electing the POTUS.

      His loyalties to the Constitution are suspect because of it.

      As to how many “Italian Letters” this country will have to suffer through because of it, is on BO.
      Funny what intelligent people can believe, no?

      You have now idea how much I would like this issue to be resolved, as it would be one less thing my sane half and I get into heated discussions about.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Can we assume .

      No. For so many reasons.

      • Patrick Henry

        SPOT ON TEAKOOD..

        Quoting Another KITE FLYER..

        “If we alll Worked on the Assumption
        That What is Accepted as True.
        .Is Really True.”

        “there would be little advance..

        ORVILLE WRIGHT..

        “You shall Know the Truth..and The TRUTH Shall set you Free..”

        THE BIBLE and the CIA..

        Q. How will knowing the TRUTH Set You/Us Free..??

        • elise

          You forgot the one by Joseph Goering: “Truth is the enemy of the state”. If you ask how knowing the truth will set us free, we should also ask whether the lies will put us in chains.

      • Patrick Henry

        Teak…Catch this reply..??

  • Peggy Sue

    We’ve seen this play out numerous times: it’s frequently not the issue itself that damages; it’s the lies and coverup that bring a public figure to ruin. So, in an attempt to hide his early exposure to Islam [and lose votes and support], the Obama team fudges the truth. Which explains why they’re spending a million dollars in legal fees to fight off these continuous law suits.

    Welcome to the new boss. Just like the old boss [es]. So much for Hope and Change.

  • gumsnapper

    My granddaughter was born in Hong Kong to my son who is an American and her mother who is Chinese. My granddaughter’s passport is an American passport. It does not matter where you are born as long as one of your parents is an American citizen, you are automatically an American citizen.

    • LDW

      The condition for being President is that you are BORN in America. Not that you are a citizen, (Arnold Schwarzenegger is an American citizen) the President has to be American BORN.

      • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

        Barack was born in America. Hawaii was a state at that time.

        • NoBamaNoWay

          says who?

        • HC123

          I also think he was born in Hawaii, and wonder why he wont just cough up his birth cert/colb and supporting documents. Showing ID to be president really isnt asking too much.

          What happens to native born Americans if by some means they renounce their citizenship? Can they serve as president? Might he have some how done this by being adopted? Would this somehow be on the documents he is so eager to keep hidden?

          If it were me I would just hold one of my bi-weekly press conferences and feature the necessary paperwork.

          • nan

            Because Barry lacks the intrigue of Barack.
            And if his original last name was Dunham,
            forget about it.

        • Lisabona

          I’m sorry Larry Jonson, but how you know Obama was Barry and Not Barak.It is your side. I respect you, but I don’t believe you, not in a million years. Don ‘t forget, We waren’t born yesterday.Sorry

        • http://www.gratisnet.com bobbski

          Larry, you are wasting your time for is it not written that no one is as blind as one who will not see?

      • FLDemFem

        The requirement states that the person be a natural-born citizen of the US not that they be born in the US. If that were the case, then McCain, who was born in Panama, would not have been eligible for office. And it would exclude everyone who was born overseas while their parents were on the job there for the US government. Arnold is a naturalized citizen, and therefore ineligible. He was not born an American citizen, he became one after moving here from Austria. Big difference.

        • http://N/A breeze

          McCain was born on an American Forces Base.

          No matter what country it is in, a Base is
          LEGALLY American soil! Therefore, McCain
          was an American-born individual both because
          of this and the fact that BOTH his parents
          were American-born.

          • FLDemFem

            I am considered a natural-born American even though I was born in Germany. Both my parents were American citizens, and I was born while my father was Vice-Consul in the Dusseldorf US Consulate. You do not have to be “born in America” to be a natural-born American. Ask any State Department child. We know.

      • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

        And not have ever had dual citizenship, which is another issue, and why some people think Obama never provided his transcripts (because they might say his nationality was Indonesian, for example, if he was indeed adopted by his Indonesian stepfather).

        So, not only do you have to be born in the US, but you cannot have ever had dual citizenship in another country. The Constitution is clear on that.

        This does NOT apply to children born on military bases, though, because those bases are considered to be US soil (hence why the McCain argument was bogus in terms of citizenship).

        • Georgia

          Thank you RRR Amy. That is why I want someone…… anyone…… to find out about his passport when he travled to Pakistan in 1981. It couldn’t be US as travel was prohibited at that time. Anyone???

          • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

            I have wondered that same thing abt Obama’s travel to Pakistan. Considering that he WAS adopted, as Larry has in this and his previous post, and had Indonesian citizenship, it seems probable that he traveled on that passport.

            I have seen the provision in the US Constitution, but I can’t lay my hands on it right this second. As I understand it, though, and any Constitutional lawyers, besides Obama, please weigh in here – the issue is one of ALLEGIANCE. So, if someone has dual citizenship, their allegiance to the US is divided, something that was unacceptable to the Founders.

            • Georgia

              Tks much!!! So, if he traveled on an Indonesian passport that fact alone (perhaps… not sure….) could have disqualified him?

              • TeakWoodKite

                Can a minor renounce their US Citizenship?

                I do believe BO used other than US documentation to travel to Indonesia, Pakistan and parts unknown.

                He may well of used his Indonesian documentation to apply to Columbia and Harvard gaming the system as a foriegn legacy student. One wonders why BO would defend Gates if he did know something about BO. Gates knew Cone and Marshall

                He did not declare any aliases on his application to the Chicago Bar, or any other legal document that required it.

                So by example BO is suspect.

            • Diana

              Indonesia did not allow for dual citizenship in the 60′s, 70′s or even the 80′s. They did not use AA on birth certificated in the 60′s. That was term that came about in the 80′s. Unless parents proved they were married they did not even allow you to list the father on the birth certificate in the 50′s, 60′s or 70′s. How could they be legally married when he was already legally married?

              In order for him to be adopted and live in Indonesia in the 60′s and 70s his American citizenship had to be forfeited, as well as his mothers in order to live and work there. They just recently began allowing for some not many dual citizenships.

              This is where I get confused if his mother forfeited all their citizenships to live and work, go to school in Indonesia because they did not allow for dual citizenship in the 60′s or 70′s…If Obama got college grants as a foreign student claiming to be from Indonesia after 18 when by law they have to give up one of their citizenships. The to me Obama gave up his American one the minute he got those grants. If Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport after the age of 18, he did the same.

              • viking

                I think this is where the law in unsettled. There’s no clear cut precedent to follow. If what LJ has stated is true, then the best course is NOT to start carving out new law in regard to this case but to focus on the criminal acts already committed to cover this up. Its plausible that these are impeachable offenses.

                • Georgia

                  Amen! I totally agree. The whole BC issue is so murkey, since on the surface as Larry stated all looks to be well. Dig a little deeper and it gets quite messy. However……. what was done to cover the whole mess…… that is the question that could bare fruit!

                • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

                  But the intent of the Constitution seems clear – if someone has held dual citizenship, or has renounced their citizenship to the US, that would seem to fly in the face of their desire for a natural born citizen who held citizenship ONLY in the US (and darnit, I wish I could find that particular passage. Still looking.).

                  Diana, you raise very good points, IMHO. To me, it has never been a question of a Kenyan birth certificate, though the certificate Obama presented seems less than credible (which raises its OWN questions), but the issue of renouncing his American citizenship by virtue of being an Indonesian citizenship, especially when he was an adult (travel to Pakistan).

                  Bottom lines, so many questions, none of which Obama seems willing to answer, which is what keeps stoking the questions. Just open up all of the records and let us see – without tampering with them first! :-)

                  • viking

                    Amy-

                    “But the intent of the Constitution seems clear…”

                    That’s the whole point of Con. law, determining what it means in a specific case considering precedent, founder’s intent, legislative intent, etc. This specific issue is unprecedented, therefore no quick, clear guidance.

                    The best approach is impeachment for provable criminal acts, not big, new Constitutional interpretation questions.

                  • Georgia

                    Yea and what about when the passport records were broken into:

                    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254/

                    What was that all about.

                    • viking

                      In my mind, I suspected the passport record break-in was connected to the birth certificate issue when it first surfaced. Before the BC issue surfaced, that break-in was a real head scratcher. Not alleging anything here but I also remember a blurb about someone in that office who was looking into the break-in being found murdered on the street, presumed mugging gone bad.

                    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                      Dang. I had the same thought.

                      Too many little incidences of subterfuge were going on last summer.

                • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

                  Hey, viking – I hear ya. But I don’t think, from what I have seen, that it would be a matter of new law. There are all kinds of laws already on the books abt issues of citizenship, dual and otherwise, that would apply. And the biggest issue isn’t necessarily one of passports, but CITIZENSHIP. Having citizenship in another country, at any time, would disqualify someone from being president, if I understand the issue correctly. But I am not a Constitutional law scholar…

                  • viking

                    Amy-

                    Yes there’s all kinds of laws. However, this particular issue has not ever been adjudicated. Moreover the fact pattern emerging is exceedingly complex. It is unquestionably ‘a case of first impression’. A new interpretation would have to be made. It is not a settled issue.

                    I am not a Constitutional law “scholar” but I have am a Constitutional law “lawyer” and have tried cases of first impression as well as Constitutional law cases where the law is settled.

                  • rose

                    I would like to know how a person can be elected president without providing ALL records? I am sure the FBI,CIA,
                    and other government officials, registering for the draft{when it was necessary},school events ,employment OTHER candidates had to provide all kinds of past events and records and documents ,BUT not this president? I would have thought for the most important job in the country it would be a given that it was necessary to have original documents. I had to provide these docs. for my children , not the hospital one the orginal one or they couldn’t participate..

                    • viking

                      This is not my area of expertise by a long shot, but I read recently somewhere else that the FBI, CIA, etc. are not involved in clearances for declaring candidacy.

                      The piece I read was written by someone who’d signed on to a marginal candidate’s run. The FEC and several states don’t have any kind of vetting process at all.

                      Our nation has never faced this type of candidate/now President before. Often, in terms of making law, it is spurred by events which have already occurred.

                      If you think about it, have any of us ever considered that an Obama situation could occur before being confronted by it now? (Even the Manchurian Candidate, a fictional storyline, didn’t include document forgery, etc.)

                      We’re in uncharted waters but that’s okay…we’re Americans and we’ve always handled what comes our way. Let not your heart be troubled!

              • http://firefox AnnieCollier

                Not quite true Diana. In the 50′s (and probably before)the name of the father given by the mother is put on the birth certificate. However if there was no marriage, the child is given the mother’s last name. If there’s a later step parent adoption, the last name is changed and I believe an amended B/C issued. If it is only a legal name change, the birth father remains the same but the child’s last name is changed. If the mother is married, the name of her husband is put on the certificate even if she says the biological father someone else.

                So who knows, since his father was already married, and theirs was not legal, maybe his birth certificate was made out as Barry Dunham. Of course, neither of the parents had much respect for the USA so maybe the law didn’t mean much to them and they claimed legal marriage. Would have been easily disproved though since he was a married foreign student. I’m sure it’s been buried so deeply, we’ll never know. But believe me, if he was born as Barry Dunham, she would have tried to remove the “stain” of illegitimacy from him. Hence, I can believe they might put notices in the paper as Obama to cover the fact that she wasn’t legally married. It was a big deal then.

                And, Larry until the long form (supposedly sealed in a vault by the Governor or Hawaii) of his original birth certificate, we’ll be skeptical. I don’t dwell on this. There’s so much to discredit him otherwise.

                I have always felt that the B/C identifies his father, and baby as well, as Muslim and that’s one reason they didn’t want it seen. Certainly the way the fake B/C was made out was silly. No one used “African” to describe race then or now. Also that he was illegitimate…and now in more ways than one.

            • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

              Obama DID have dual citizenship, so that is where a lot of this probably comes from. Kenya recognized him as a citizen because of his father being Kenyan.

              He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 21st birthday.

              http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

              I never thought he was born in Kenya, but I did think it quite strange that he wouldn’t release his long form birth certificate. I figured it was because of his name. I couldn’t imagine his mother in 1961 traveling to Kenya to give birth. And as for his Grannie, that seems a translation error or confusion. She’s old, and has like 500 grandkids… how would she remember? haha

              However, he doesn’t help squelch the conspiracy either. Daily Kos was the first to post the COLB, not the obama camp. 6/12/08. WEIRD. Birthers tried to debunk the COLB stating there is not seal or signature. Obama travels to Hawaii Aug. 8, and on Aug. 21 Fact Check has access to a COLB with seal and signature. Now, that’s bound to make people more skeptical.

              Not to mention the name of the hospital where he was born has been changed from Queens (as was reported on factfinding sites like Snopes) to Kapi’olani. It is strange that myth busting sites were wrong…

              McCain was challenged and showed his right away. So, Obama is hiding something. It’s obvious. He lied about being a big christian church guy, he is not above lying about his name.

              I would ask Larry how he knows for sure, but considering he is CIA and all… So, can we call him Barry now?

              Just like the Wright thing NEVER seemed right to me, this never did either. Oh the tangled web we weave when we try to deceive.

              • http://noquarter foxyladi14

                lies just beget more lies to cover up the first lie.
                i have always raised my children and grandchildren that way
                honesty is always the best policy..

              • FLDemFem

                And it is/was the law in Indonesia that if a woman marries an Indonesian, any minor children she already has must be adopted by the new husband, in Obummer’s case that would be Lolo Seotero, and they are at the time of the adoption automatically made Indonesian citizens. So he is not eligible to be President, and we all know he isn’t qualified. Has anyone asked the Pakistanis to look in their consular records for the record of Obummer’s entry into Pakistan on that trip? They would have all the information from it, including which country issued the passport, what citizenship the carrier of the passport had, and where the visa was issued. If the State Department can’t or won’t say, ask the Pakistanis. Given how often Obummer has pissed them off, they would probably be happy to dig up the records.

            • Terry

              Wasn’t a school document released from about the time 0bie was in kindergarten or 1st grade that listed his citizenship as Indonesian? The school he went to was Muslim. What ticked me off at the time was that he thought American voters were too stupid too understand that he had no control over where he went to school as a kindergartner although he is a Christian now.That’s all he needed to say. He just cannot be honest about anything. The line on the school application about his Indonesian citizenship remains a mystery.

            • Susan B. Athena

              I also read recently that his Oxidental College records were revealed and showed that he applied for financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia. Anyone else see this….

              • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                that was a fake rumor.

              • Terry

                I remember that, too.

              • Terry

                I remember that, too. Clearly, there is a huge trail of lies to pursue.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Different laws applied when Obama was born. There was an age requirement which apparently his mother did not meet to bestow American citizenship on her child.

      Perhaps that isn’t the problem as much as who the father really is. It was far more politically correct to have a father from Kenya than to have Frank Marshall Davis – known communist – as a father.

      Anyway, the controversy is going to spin around until the truth is known. Why?

      Double standards.

      Why should everyone else have to supply documentation and Obama does not?

      Whatever the reason – it will put Obama next to Nixon in the annals of chicanery.

      • tzada

        May as well add my take on things. I think the hidden reason behind this is:

        The Long BC will reveal the fact that his father was listed as an Arab African as he was listed by the Kenyan government.

        There is too much secrecy about his past for it to be simple. On his own words he entered Pakistan in
        81. Impossible to do as an USA citizen. He had another passport from another country.

        On his Illinois application for the bar he omitted his adopted name or the name Barry.

        It was odd they way they were trying to make sure that McCain was a citizen, what alarming was that they were changing the wording that would have made it legal for someone born out of country to a citizen to be prez. What was that about? Splain that away someone. It was that Clair Haskill or whatever her name is that tried that trick. The same one who wanted people turned in for anti 0 signs in her state.

        • NoBamaNoWay

          yes, i remember that little bit of slipperiness that was introduced *mainly by democrats,* but allegedly it was to confirm *McCain’s* natural born status (as if there was any doubt), but it contained language that would also allow someone born overseas to only one american parent (or something like that) to be president. now why in the heck would they have put that in there??!!

      • Diana

        I agree, and I think Lou and others are asking the wrong questions. If he was born in Hawaii, they could have been trying to protect him from the elderly voters. You were born out of wedlock. I think his name on his BC is Barry Dunham and that there was no father listed.

        My questions arise in what he did as an adult more than anything. Because I think those things are easy to prove and disqualified him from running for president. How he was listed in college? How he traveled? Did he try for special privileges, grants, scholarships as a foreign student?

        If he claimed after 18 to be Indonesian that disqualifies him. He couldn’t keep a dual citizenship even though I doubt one existed after 18. I think his mother willingly gave up all their citizenships to live, work and go to school in Indonesia. Plus, he traveled in his 20′s and I don’t believe he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          google: The Myth of Barack Obama’s Early Life
          by Michael Patrick Leahy

          12234409-Divorce-Decree-1964-13-Pages-Merged[1].pdf

    • http://www.dailypuma.com Alessandro Machi

      So if Osama Bin Laden fathered a child in the United States, but the woman was a U.S. citizen, do you think that qualifies the child as a natural born citizen?

      of course it does not.

      The very definition of natural born citizen, being from over 200 years ago, points to the BEHAVIOR AND ATTITUDES of the father as mattering.

      Being a sperm donor IS NOT enough.

      http://fair-reflection.blogspot.com/2009/01/barack-obama-may-not-be-natural-born.html

  • viking

    “If he comes clean with the truth evident in the original copy of the birth certificate . . . ”

    he cannot deny that he knowingly and intentionally forged a document with intent to deceive. Americans have suffered deep disappointment from others who held the U.S. Presidency but I doubt that intentional forgery will be tolerated.

  • Anon 1

    No one is saying Obama is not a citizen.

    The birther wants him to prove he is a natural born citizen. Until Obama release all his records, including his college trancripts fropm Occidental college, Columbia, Harvard, this controversy will live on.

    Why is he fighting the lawsuits if he can simply prove it. How could he be a citizen when he was in college, yet he got a scholarship as a foreign student? End this Obama and release all your records. All previous Presidents before you had to do it.

    Obama has changed his name so many times, that I am begiinning to think he has something to hide.

    Did he get a Fullbright scholarship as an Indonesian citizen or a Kenya citizen? Did he go to Pakistan on a Kenyan passport or an American one?

    Has he ever had dual citizenship?

    • MrX

      Larry thinks he’s putting this all to rest, but in fact is putting more fuel on the fire. He doesn’t realize that if Obama was adopted and his new adoptive father gave him Indonesian citizenship through their laws, then Obama cannot be a natural born citizen. He would have subsequently obtained citizenship through naturalization. Even if he’s never revoked it, it doesn’t matter. If he was EVER an Indonesian citizen, he cannot be a natural born citizen because that would mean split loyalties.

      I don’t care much for this situation since I’m Canadian. But Larry, you’ve just become the hero to all those birthers everywhere. You’ve proved them right if you believe what you wrote.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        correct; it doesn’t matter if barry didn’t “choose” to give up his citizenship as a child; the whole situation goes to formation of his loyalty to this country or that, and when you’ve had two foreign muslim fathers, had your citizenship changed, and been raised as a non-american citizen in a foreign country, IMO, that disqualifies a person from being POTUS.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy
      • TeakWoodKite

        LOL, Annenburg? do recall Steve Diamonds posts on this, very solid work on the embargo of BO’s records at Chicago U.
        American Girl in Italy, no matter what one believes, there is a body of scraptoids that looks more like the paint outlines of a deseased victim, since removed, in a murder scene than anything resembling the truth.

  • Georgia

    Thank you Larry for weighing in on this. Here is the issue that really troubles me. Do you or any NQ readers know when Obama went to Pakistan in 1981, what passport was he traveling on? How could it be US as US travel to Pakistan was prohibited at that time. Correct? Has anyone been able to see those records?

    • IMHO

      Very good point. Like I said, the media (Larry Included) want us to believe that one plus one equal five. We know better and we know when something isn’t making sense!

    • getfitnow

      Yeah, this is another ???? There’s too much about this guy that’s missing.

      • OMG

        The constitutional aspect of this is about ‘allegiance’ and clearly his allegiance is not with the flag of America but with the Muslims as he stated in his auto biogrhaphy that he would side with the Muslims if the going got tough. Yes he’s a citizen by marrying moochelle. He hates america and whites so he has no allegiance to America. He even said he didn’t want to be everyone’s president. Implying just Muslims and blacks-Period. Now boot the bum out. WTF were you obots thinking? Oh, that’s right, you weren’t.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      This is a detailed account of his ties to Pakistan, as reported by this site, and referenced in Obama’s books.

      http://pakistaniat.com/2008/09/01/barak-obama-pakistan/

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        this is the only time I have heard that his mom lived or worked in Pakistan…

        • TeakWoodKite

          In this context, his mother was doing micro-financing and have wondered if she ever crossed paths with Auchi.

          • Patrick Henry

            Teak..I was wondering about That connection with auch and other Muslims earlier today..

            Someone from Syria taking a Stake..?

            Hmm..

            WaS that for B. Hussein Obama..the Muslim..?

            Ah…or the Disciple from Jeremiah Wrights church of Black Liberation.. Theology…??

            You Know…Louis Farakahns Friend..

  • viking

    I thought this hilarious at the time but its just as funny now…

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/international_con_man_barack_obama

  • IMHO

    Thanks for the narrative Larry but your analysis does not convince me that Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President and by no means is this issue going away.

    World Net Daily will soon release a dvd concerning Obama’s eligibility. I am going to pre order.
    http://www.wnd.com

    The media (you included) want us to believe that 1 plus 1 equals five and it doesn’t. Something isn’t adding up and something isn’t making sense and that is why this issue is being kept alive!

    There is no doubt in my mind that in due time Obama will be forced to deal with this issue head on….

    WHERES THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE??

    • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

      How detached from reality are you? Lumping me in with the rest of the media? I have explained very clearly why Obama is obfuscating on the original birth certificate.

      Those crazy enough to insist Barack was born in Kenya can still not explain how a woman seven or eight months pregnant could afford to travel to Kenya. No evidence she even had a passport at the time. She did this leaving Barack Sr. back in Hawaii? His student visa status, and lack of money, prevented him from jumping a plane whenever he wanted to go back to Kenya.

      Enough with the Kenya nonsense.

      • IMHO

        In no way am I detached from reality. Okay, I will backtrack a little, you may not be as bad as the liberal MSM but with some things, particularly, this issue, you are stating things that doesnt quite add up to me.

        Unless you have evidence to show that Obama was absolutely NOT born in Kenya, you can not say with 100% certainty that he wasn’t NOR can I say with 100% certainty that he was.

        In stating this, I disagree with you when you say the Kenya issue is nonsense. I don’t know where the man was born and unless you have clear evidence to show that you do, I will state that you don’t either.

        There are too many questions that need to be answered…….and your analysis (along with the rest of them thus far) only add to the questions.

        Please accept my apology for “lumping” you in with the MSM. However, I do feel like, WITH THIS ISSUE, you want me us to believe something that doesn’t quite add up.

        • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

          A birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper at the time, for example.

          • IMHO

            A birth announcement does not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.

            We don’t even know what hospital he was born in and it is my understanding that Obama himself stated 2 different hospitals as his place of birth. However, neither hospital has produced evidence or records of his birth.

            The more we discuss/debate the issue, the more questions emerges!

            We simply don’t know what the truth is and that is why it is IMPERATIVE that we find out!

            • Doc99

              A newspaper will publish any classified ad for the appropriate fee. Nothing to see there … move along.

          • sandi78

            Larry,

            While I tend to agree with you that Obama was born in Hawaii, a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper proves nothing.

            My own son was born in California, yet we put a birth announcement in the newspaper in Edinburgh, Scotland so that my friends and family there would see it.

          • WhatNow

            Larry,

            Proud grandparents/parents send in birth annoucements all the time into the local papers of where their relatives live. I bet you- that if you check the papers of Kansas, there will be an announcement of Obama’s birth. It’s an announcement of birth, not a valid certification of place of birth. Back in the 60′s this was a standard practice all over America.

        • ritamary

          Maybe I was born in Mongolia…Can you absolutely prove that I wasn’t?

          Larry, these people commenting here are getting nuttier every time I come here.The comments used to be funny, entertaining and informative but now many comments are just silly.

      • HARP

        Excuse me but Sarah Palin was in labor, yet managed to fly.

        • kgirl1028

          Sarah Palin was not a new mother, this was her fifth child. MOst experience mothers don’t to run to the hospital when they first go into labor because the know they will sit and wait, and wait, and wait. Sarah Palin is also in great physical shape, and even though Trig was a Downs baby I doubt his labor would have been any different than that of her other children. Flying would not have been my choice but it seems to have been hers.

          Personally i think it’s stupid to believe obama was born in kenya more than likely his grandma wants be a politician as well and was telling a tall tale, you know like Obama throwing ihis personal story into Selma, eventhough he was born way before that happeed, or when about how he met michelle in class whe nwe know he met her at work? I’m of the belief he he is an Indonesian citizen. It’s alot more plausable. and it would make sense as to why he refuses to cough up the birth certificate? And do i think Hawaii would cover for Obama, hell yeah. After this election year I believe these fools capable of alot more than i use to. I never believe a president would lie to start a war…

          One thing i’ve noticed is that my former liberal bed fellows, too much like the bush administration, don’t like to follow rules that the perceive as unfair. Obama’s smart, black, “clean” or so says Joe Biden and articulate, and it’s not fair something his Mummy did when he was a child would disqualify this “exceptional”(lly stupid) man from being president. And they get to prove how cool and unracist they are. So what do we do, come up with a half assed excuse of what happened to his birth certificate because let’s be honest the average american is stupid (prove me wrong please). Seems their dog ate it after the went to a paperless system. God for bid they have find a printer. IT’s their version of international affiramtive action, which thanks to Obama I nolonger believe in, because content of character is way more important than the color of your skin or an Harvard education.

          But if you think this will unseat obama then you are dreaming. Nothing anyone on the outside will work on this man, he is sheilded by the media and nothing will change that except maybe killing TOTUS code , in the middle of a speach and i believe they have assigned it it’s own secret service agent after what happen to the last one. WE’ve seen it time and time again. Obama is going to destroy obama and i’m going to love every minute of it.That stupid white policeman of unimpeachable character gave us all a preview of who is going to get barry in trouble. Much like the bots who rove this an other sites he’s arrogent as hell. That piss people off especially when it happens to people who don’t deserve it. What Dobb and a lot of people ARE waking up to is to how crazy there coworkers are as well. ANd that’s important, because part of getting to obama is impeaching the character of his brown shirts that protect him. Marginalize them, and when Obama Dumpty over reaches and falls he will go splat. Now where’s my pop corn.

          • ritamary

            That woman is NOT Obama’s grandmother.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        I don’t think she went to Kenya either. But why would you assume she would travel at 8 or 9 months?

        Simply putting myself in that position at 17, I know it would have been difficult to get a passport and travel even with another person familiar with the territory…unless they got a marriage license and went as a married couple.

        I know the opposition really enjoy keeping the water muddy around this but it defies common sense that they are not also covering something that is unacceptable to the voters. I know a lot of people would find illegitimacy and Muslim religion on a b/c enough to not vote for him. A lot of people don’t know his parents didn’t have a legal marriage.

      • TeakWoodKite

        So how is it Obama Sr. had money to travel from Hawaii to Harvard?

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Best explanation I have heard so far on this topic. Thanks, Larry!

  • Lily

    But what about all those other records that he refuses to release? What is he hiding there? A number of websites looked at some of the questions surrounding his birth in considerable depth during the campaign. None of the questions surrounding his birth and other phases of his life have been answered at all. The man forfeited his credibility by refusing to open his life history to the voters. I am also convinced by Jack Cashill’s scrutiny that Bill Ayers and not Obama is the primary writer of Obama’s touted Dreams autobiography. The only conclusion I can draw is that he could not have been elected if he had been open and that he is basically a fraud…a multi-racial, multi-cultural, Harvard graduate used to string along a very mixed bag of disgruntled voters.

    • getfitnow

      I agree Lilly. Cahill has found to many inconsistency, including scenarios that appear to be plucked from writings of Ayers.

  • getfitnow

    The only thing I know for sure is that BO has not released the BC? One would think he’d want to put this to rest and prove his detractors IDIOTS! I find it very bazaar.

  • Snoopy

    Your theory states he’s guilty of a political fib, a cover up, but legally POTUS

    If he came back from Indonesia and by-passed immigration and didn’t legally change his name back to BHO , then he’s an Illegal alien under an assumed name , therefore he’s still a Usurper guilty of felony fraud.

    • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

      Never renounced his citizenship. Never, as an adult, declared himself a citizen of another country.

      • Georgia

        Larry what if he did travel to Pakistan in 1981 with a Indonesian passport? Doesn’t that contradict that?

        • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

          No. Having another passport does not mean you are not a U.S. citizen or that you have renounced your U.S. citizenship. A buddy of mine at the CIA holds both an Irish passport and, as is his right, a U.S. passport as a natural born American.

          • Jon S

            It does if that country doesn’t recognize dual citizenship such as Indonesia.

          • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            my niece and nephew hold both US and Italy passports. I could too, but am too lazy to do the paperwork.

            • Animal Control

              In the 1960′s one could not hold dual Italian and United States citizenship. Let’s not loose perspective of the laws as they were then.

              • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                good point. i have no idea about what the laws were.

          • VermontSimple

            Larry wrote:
            “No. Having another passport does not mean you are not a U.S. citiz en or that you have renounced your U.S. citizenship. A buddy of mine at the CIA holds both an Irish passport and, as is his right, a U.S. passport as a natural born American.”

            That may be all well and fine for your buddy, having the US and Ireland both allowing dual citizenships. Indonesia in 1981 did not have such allowances. To gain an Indonesian passport, one would have to renounce any other allegiences. If such a thing was done, Obama was of a lawful age at that time to make such a decision and accept the consequences of same. I could find chapter and verse on that if required, but I’m a carpenter, not a lawyer. So, how did Obama gain entry to Pakistan? He needs to put the BC and his passports and Occidental College records on the table where we can look at ‘em. John Jay, the writer of the “natural born” provision, must be twirling in his grave. There is no transparency to the man in my estimation.

      • MrX

        He doesn’t need to renounce it. Adoption takes care of that for him. The Constitution doesn’t want split loyalties. That’s the whole point. It doesn’t matter if it’s his parents or him or whomever else who is responsible for changing his citizenship.

      • lauraks

        I understand your point here as well as the fact that he is minimizing political damage(the media does aid and abet him there).For goodness sake they are proclaiming how wonderful the re-phrasing of his racist nonsense was just yesterday. He just does not seem to have to play by the rules the rest of us must. It is frustrating.

  • Babs

    An Ivy league education is not cheap. Who was paying for all those years at Columbia and Harvard? Most of us can remember (sometimes with horror) what jobs we had in college to keep afloat, he never talks about having any kind of job to make extra money, nothing. Who was paying the bills?

  • FLDemFem

    I think the reason he won’t release his school records is that they show that he got the Fulbright scholarship as a foreign citizen. This would be fraud and grand theft if he were a US citizen, or had dual citizenship. And since the Republican Congress during Clinton’s administration made sure that the President could be sued while in office, it sets up an interesting scenario, don’t you think? Imagine the scholarship fund suing the President for the tuition money he got by fraudulently claiming to be a foreign citizen! He could also be charged with grand theft since the value of the scholarship is way over the grand theft requirements of any state. And the country would know for sure that there is a liar and a thief in the White House. Something that all Hillary supporters have known since the primary.

    • gianni

      If he received a Fullbright as a college student, shouldn’t anyone be able to access the Fullbright records? Wait a minute! I think I remember Fullbright closing down their online search system with regard to Fullbright awards. Could this have been tied to Obama, and protecting that information? Come on folks, the Fullbright angle looks ripe for further exploration.

  • HARP

    Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.

    Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released (lawyers’ fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
    Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
    Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released (if one exists)

    Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)

    Kindergarten records — Records lost (this is a big one — see here — read two frames)
    Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
    Soetoro adoption records — Not released

    Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
    Punahou School records — Not released
    Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)

    Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
    Occidental College records — Not released
    Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
    Columbia College records — Not released
    Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
    Harvard College records — Not released
    Harvard Law Review articles — None

    Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
    Baptism certificate — None
    Medical records — Not released
    Illinois State Senate records — None
    Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    Law practice client list — Not released
    University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

    • Georgia

      WOW!

      • SJ

        Hmmm interesting, maybe when he leaves office the truth will come out eventually.

    • oldmediatype

      Yep. Lots of records missing. Like Larry, I suspect the BC issue is a matter of hiding his original identity. There may also be something that’s simply embarrassing that he doesn’t want anyone to know about. Unlike Larry, I don’t believe the long-firm BC settles the issue. There’s a substantial legal argument that says you have to be born to two US citizens in the US to be a natural born citizen. The argument is his father, a native Kenyan and a British subject at the time, makes it impossible for Obama to be a natural born citizen even though his mother was a citizen and he was born in Hawaii. That argument has been dismissed by several courts apparently because the plaintiffs did not have legal standing. How did BHO get on the ballots. Apparently, nobody asks for ID. In fact you have to show more information to get your kid into a soccer league than it does to be POTUS.
      Obama has never addressed the nbc issue and I’ve never heard or read anywhere that he’s ever been questioned about it. Interesting enough his own website identified him as a “native born citizen.” As a constitutional law lecturer he absolutely knows there is no such designation.

      Like a lot of other people, I’d like a lot of the other document questions resolved. Yeah, what’s with the passport? And what connection does the passport question have to the riffling of passport files of Obama, Clinton and McCain?

      Finally, the college records. Do they show he’s less than a stellar student?
      Or, more likely, is it another element of his identification issues — Name, Religion, Ethnicity, Citizen of…

    • NoBamaNoWay

      pretty much. but he’s just so COOOOOOOL; i don’t really care about any of that other stuff. not.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Another thing that confounds me is why would they get a divorce; they both knew the marriage wasn’t legal. If it was just to nullify a sham marriage (if there was one) then there would be an annulment.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        my guess is that Barack Sr’s marriage was not legally binding in the US… Or maybe they didn’t even tell the courts. Her parents probably made her get an official divorce.

      • FLDemFem

        It was the end of the 50′s when an illegitimate child was a real stain on the family record. Women who had children out of wedlock were shunned, along with the illegitimate child, by all “decent” people. If the Dunhams found out about the first wife in Kenya, and realized that the marriage their daughter had entered was bigamous, and invalid, they would have done everything they could to protect their daughter and her child. Therefore the “marriage” and subsequent “divorce”. Kept everything neat and tidy for the neighbors. Times were different then.

    • Terry

      Wait–I remember seeing a copy of his kindergarten records where he is listed as an Indonesian citizen and the school was Muslim. I commented on this above. Obviously he had not control over what kind of kindergarten he went to, but the Indonesian citizen line is mysterious. What am I remembering? Was that proven to be a fake? When did it become lost?

      • Terry

        It could have been first grade records–something when he was young. It was a handwritten application to the school. Does anyone remember what I am thinking about?

    • TeakWoodKite

      lawyers’ fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
      …the truth? Priceless.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    The credibility question does loom large. If the Obama team thought that America would just forget about it, they, as with so many other things, greatly miscalculated.

    Without the release of his personal records, Obama is nothing more than a con artist to many, many Americans.

    It is a controversy that will not go away and it certainly will be a deciding factor for any hopes (God, let’s hope not) of re-election in 2012.

    Given the lead balloon poll numbers Obama’s getting now, continuing to hide his records will help not him, ever. NOt sure revealing his records will help him either.

    The LIE just keeps growing like a wooden puppet’s nose.

    • viking

      The lies and the criminal acts undertaken to reinforce them. If LJ is right, and I suspect he is, its not just a lack of credibility with the American public. Its criminal behavior and utter contempt and disdain for the American public and the law.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Obama is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the country.

        Note to Obama: Prove that statement is wrong.

  • HARP

    I thought Obama was so poor when he went to Harvard, yet he must have owned a car:

    Two weeks before the US senator from Illinois launched his presidential campaign, he paid parking tickets he received while attending Harvard Law School, officials said yesterday.

    Obama received 17 parking tickets in Cambridge between 1988 and 1991, according to the city’s Traffic, Parking & Transportation Department.

    Of those tickets, he paid only two while he was a student and paid them late, said Susan Clippinger, the office’s director.

    In January, about when the Globe began asking local officials about Obama’s time at Harvard, including any violations of local laws, someone representing the senator called the parking office to inquire about the decades-old tickets.

    On Jan. 26, the remaining $375 in fines and fees were paid by credit card using the city’s website, Clippinger said. She said she didn’t know who paid them.

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/03/08/obama_paid_late_parking_tickets/

  • bayareavoter

    I’m trying to remember what Bill Clinton said before the election when he made some comment about BO’s citizenship.

    I think the Clintons know something about this they haven’t talked about.

    • Animal Control

      “Anyone qualified under the Constitution can run for President” or something very close to this. I recall because the use of the word “qualified” intrigued me.

  • SJ

    Sorry I don’t buy that explanation, it cannot be something this simple that is why Obama keeps fighting to keep this BC hidden.

    I think American and some American that in the know what to kill this story because in the eyes of the world just imagine how the USA would look if it gets out that the man elected for POTUS is not a US citizen.

    Worse yet the population was duped by this man, everything that he has signed, every order, law made would be out the window, can you just imagine the humiliation in the eyes of the world if this is found out, we would the the laughing stock of all, so right not the powers at bay will do anything to kill and cover up this story.

    • IMHO

      Good argument but I would argue that the REAL powers at bay WANT this to be exposed.

      America as a whole will be fine…..it will be Americans who bring this issue to light and correct it.

      However, this issue will deeply damage the trust and image of a black man running this country.

      The evidence will show that the first Black Man who was elected to be President of the United States was a total and complete fraud who put this country in more debt than any other president and who caused more damage than any other president. I don’t think that the fact that Obama was able to slide thru the campaign with his skeletons in tact was coincidental. In return, this will badly damage the Democratic Party as well.

      Obama will be the reason why we won’t have another black president. Could this have been the plan of the TRUE powers to be all along?

      • viking

        You go too far.

        • IMHO

          We shall see

          • TeakWoodKite

            I agree with viking, it is not about a persons color or anything else other than the Constitutionality of holding the Office of President.

            As with Camelot, so too will his myths will be exposed.

      • SJ

        Not only that it will also place shame on the persons who were supposed to check candidates running for this position.

        We claim we are the greatest nation in the world, the only super power, yet me allowed a man to get elected with out checking his credentials.

        Our enemies will sure have a field day with this, what about all those who were sent to war during this time, it would be an illegal act, and what about loss of life people can then sue the government.

        The entire process would be in question, people would have hell to pay for this roost. Nope some will never want this to come up and they will spend billions to keep it off the table, there is just too much at stake, and if for one minute they feels this is going to break before the next election I will bet anything Obama will not run for 2012

      • Sharon

        I remember Michelle stating “there won’t be another one”; referring to a Black President. At the time I felt that was an odd/strange statement. It has more meaning now!

      • catherine

        You know, that thought had also crossed my mind but I dismissed it as being too Machiavellic. We’ll have to wait and see.

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/26/the-obama-birth-certificate-controversy/#comments GORDO

    He was born a British subject. From Obama’s “Fight the Smears” site:

    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”

    http://tinyurl.com/n65j3d

    • Animal Control

      Gordo, good to see you’re still around. I also no longer visit Trail Mix–there are more open minds here.

  • CG

    Whatever Obama’s motive regarding the birth certificate, it is politically expedient as Lou Dobbs suggests
    “When this could be dispelled so quickly, and simply, by producing it [long-form birth certificate], why not do it?”

    I believe that he was born in Hawaii, I am a Democrat (though my patience is at the brink over matters where Obama is Dubya all over), AND I believe Obama most certainly should release the long form of his birth certificate IMMEDIATELY.

    In the distant past my hospital birth certificate which was official with handwritten signatures and an embossed seal was sufficient for all legal matters including obtaining a passport, and then also for a permanent work visa for France, is no longer acceptable and I was required to obtain from my state of birth a “Certificate of Vital Record” which looks like a forge-proof stock certificate in it’s formality and includes all the vital facts of my birth, the file number, the certificate number and seals. Both of my birth certificates are more official than Obama’s COLB.

    If I had to obtain this Certificate of Vital Statistics from the my birth state’s Department of Health, then Obama should likewise obtain a certified long form. On this Obama should not be permitted to exert presidential privelege. If we are a democracy and if I must obtain the long form birth certificate so must he.

    Hillary Clinton on Meet the Press today, was something to watch. There has never been a more loyal spokesperson for a president and vice president than her, never. It was so sad to watch because clearly she is infinitely more studied, more committed and invested in America than Obama. It breaks my heart.

    • CG

      sorry for the typos

    • Citizen70

      However you feel about health care reform, Hillary was so much more effective at arguing the points for reform than Obama was at his press conference. He has no grasp of the issues (without his teleprompter).

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Even then, Obama is just reading words off the teleprompter with no real grasp of what his is babbling about.

    • OMG

      You got that right.
      Here check this out. She has drunk the kool aid and is taking orders from the CFC. Check tham out. They are the new world order.
      Hillary says:

      Thank you very much, Richard, and I am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.

      Watch the video. Bamboozled big time.
      http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/july/126071.htm

  • need to know

    Bay Area Voter. While Hillary was in the running and before she was cheated out of it, Bill Clinton, smirk on face, told a TV reporter, something to the effect anyone could be the President “who was a citizen and constitutionally qualified”. It was apparent he was in the know about something, and there was lots of speculation at the time. But there is no doubt plenty of stuff on the Clintons, and “Chicago style” that has been used on the Clintons to keep their collective traps shut.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      I don’t think it’s so much what someone has on the Clinton’s as much as it is political timing.

      Okay, America got it’s black president. White guilt is waning and blacks can’t complain about not getting a fair break on that one.

      As time goes on: More and more will be revealed about dear leader and the bombshells will start hitting – first the little ones in 2010.

      Then if Obama is a viable candidate for a second term, the real nasties will hit the fan.

      I think Obama’s records and problems weren’t so much planned as they were a cosmic gift to whomever has the most to gain in 2012.

      • OMG

        WE do not have that much time. We are needing to solve this now. In 2010 it will be too late. The Republic will be gone once crap & tax is passed as well as the nazi T-4 euthansia bill is passed this Friday under the guise of national health care. We have to move quickly.

        • FLDemFem

          Any bill that is passed can be repealed. What has been done can be undone. Except for the deficit, that we are stuck with. Sigh.

    • bayareavoter

      thanks–that’s what I was trying to remember!

  • J.J. (The PUMA)

    Maybe what he is hiding is that his legal name still is Barry Soetoro, and that sometime in his teen years he decided to embrace his black identity and started calling himself Barack Obama.

  • MrX

    Larry, if he was adopted, then he would no longer be a natural born citizen since he’d have been Indonesian which means he has most recently obtained citizenship through naturalization. Such a person is not allowed to be President.

    I’m not a truther. But if you state he was adopted, that’s all the evidence the truthers need.

    • J.J. (The PUMA)

      I have researched this extensively. HE must, as an adult, SPECIFICALLY renounce his U.S. citizenship. Even claiming Indonesian citizenship to get a passport would not have done it.

      There is only one scenario where Obama would not be eligible: He was born outside of the United States AND his parents were married. I think even then Soetoro, Obama would have a loophole. He could argue that there is no proof of his parents marriage, and even if there were, the marriage was invalid because his father was a bigamist.

      The focus of he argument should be changed to “Why is Obama spending more than a million dollars to prevent the release of his birth certificate”?

      • bayareavoter

        That should be the question everyone (media) is asking!

  • Ai1een

    Obama may very well have been born in Hawaii or he may have been born elsewhere. There is actually much more sound & resonable doubt on board to question his POTUS legitimacy as there to sanction it. To state that BHO was born in Hawaii based upon speculation that a plane trip could not be afforded, etc. may in the end prove true; on the other hand, it is just as reasonable to speculate that BHO’s parents or friends could have lent them the money for the plane trip-they were middle class Americans. In the end NONE of us can state as fact where Obama was born. It is an embarrassing fact, however, that we have no apparent laws on board to demand open birth certificate records of the leader of our country. Once he decided to run for the highest office in our nation, his right to a sealed birth certificate should have been voided; what about our rights to know we have a legit POTUS?

    • viking

      There’s a few Congressmen proposing legislation now that would require proof of citizenship via a certified birth certificate naming hospital, doctor, location, etc. for any candidate for Pres. Of course, it wouldn’t be retroactive but if passed would be in place for the 2012 election.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        In this legislation, if Obama were to run for a second term, would he be required to produce the documentation at that time?

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          that is the intent, as I understood.

        • viking

          yup!

    • jbjd

      People were not compelled to vote for a man refusing to establish where he was born. The news that the Certification of Live Birth BO posted on his “Fight the Smears” web site could not even satisfy requirements of HI law to establish entitlement to HI Homeland Status, let alone he is a NBC, was out there last summer; I know, I posted it, on this site.

  • Snoopy

    No matter how you spin this story ,,,,,,,, in the end he is not Constitutionally qualified and a usurper in many ways.

    Natural Born Citizen…… Both parents must be US citizens , must be born on US soil…… Obama Sr. was never a US citizen,end of story.

    Then there is the bogus forged selective service registration, he committed a felony when he entered the State Senate……..

    On and on and on…………. Soetoro is a usurper no matter where he was born , the question now is what are we going to do about , blog him out of office.

    • OMG

      the question now is what are we going to do about , blog him out of office.

      No. Go to patriot hearts blog and donate a few bucks for the 10 brave citizens going to DC to serve presentments to every member of congress. Your dollars are needed for copies, travel and lodging. Donate sky miles or anything to help them serve all members of congress before recess. Hurry. They need $ to pull this off. Let everyone that you know that their monetary help is needed badly. Please support them on their journey.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Heads Up:

    The Southern Poverty Law Center has written to CNN asking for the removal of Lou Dobbs over his reporting of the birth certificate controversy.

    I am looking for that information now.

    • IMHO

      I read about that on Huffington Post. Removing Lou isn’t going to make the issue go away, IF ANYTHING, it will add steam to an issue that is becoming steamier everyday!

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Here’s a source:

      http://www.politicususa.com/en/Dobbs-CNN

      Obviously the controversy is getting some wheels.

      • oowawa

        From the link:

        The president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, J. Richard Cohen wrote a letter to CNN president Jonathon Klein calling for Lou Dobbs to be taken off the air for spreading racist conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

        And goes on to complain that “Over the past couple of weeks Dobbs has slipped into full birther mode.”

        I am interested in this new word “birther,” and how it is being used as an epithet. I find it to be a particularly ugly word, as is the related concept “birtherism.” Do we need these new words to accomodate the fact that some think Barack Obama should reveal his long birth certificate?

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Oh the old R word.

          Lou Dobbs is being a “racist”.

          Didn’t the SPLC get the memo?

          That isn’t a reason anymore… LOL!

      • oowawa

        comment in spam filter, please release, thanks.

  • Miss H

    Anyone can get a Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii; this is not a birth certificate that is issued in the hospital and signed by the physician present at the birth. I don’t know where Obama was born; I know he doesn’t want US citizens to know the truth. For all I know he could be a clone manufactured in a laboratory. Almost all records are sealed; education records, etc. Obama has spent $millions to keep his records sealed; I smell a deceitful RAT.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      his sister Maya was born in Kenya,yet has a Hi.birth certificate.

      • OMG

        That’s right foxy. :lol:

      • Animal Control

        Are you certain? She may have been born in Indonesia?

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          Maya Kassandra Soetoro
          August 15, 1970 (age 38)
          Jakarta, Indonesia

      • FLDemFem

        Why would she have been born in Kenya when Ann was married to an Indonesian citizen and living in Jakarta?? It’s just plain stupid to think Ann flew to Kenya to have the child of an Indonesian citizen when she was living in Indonesia.

      • ritamary

        Why would Obama’s sister Maya be born in Kenya? Her father was Indonesian.

  • jwrjr

    The one thing that is absolutely certain is that Ozero has been and is going to a great deal of effort and expense to hide … something. You don’t go to such effort to hide something trivial.

  • tzada

    Canada…… Seems that his mom went to visit a friend very near the time that he was born. Seems like it was an island in Washington State. People traveled all the time to Canada without passports in those years. Plane travel then for pregnant women wasn’t so tight I think.

    His Kenyan paternal step grandmother may have been trying to be important by saying she was there when he was born.

    All I know is this. Something is being hidden and I don’t think it is as simple as the name Barry.

  • tzada

    Besides if Obama gets impeached for that then who would be president until a new election? Couldn’t be Biden because he is “fruit of the poison tree.”
    quote unknown poster

    Nancy Polosi? Well that would be just ducky eh?

  • viking

    If Obama was impeached Biden would take Pres. unless Biden was impeached as well (conspiracy, etc.)

    • jwrjr

      Too bad Biden couldn’t be impeached for incompetence.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      good lord, that’s probably why obama picked him! obama knew no one would want to impeach him and get biden. haahah

      • OMG

        Biden can’t be president if a usurper picked him. He goes too and we get to have nancy.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          we’re doomed.

          • viking

            Let not your heart be troubled! If Biden knew and is impeached I’d bet Pelosi did too. Impeachment of the whole rotten mess of them that knew and conspired whether before or after the fact.

            • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

              hey, we might be ok then. After Nancy is Byrd, and then Hillary.

              Maybe Hillary knew what she was doing. ;O)

              • viking

                I’m not as keen on HRC anymore as I once was. I know that’s not a popular position here and I mean no offense to anyone but that’s the way its shaped up for me personally.

                • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                  I’ve had the feeling that HRC’s trajectory ends at Secretary of State.

                  I was very much a supporter, but can’t see her getting any farther unless the top layer of players were impeached.

                  This line keeps coming back to me concerning Obama, Pelosi, et al.

                  They think they are too big to fail.

                  • Seattle Moss

                    That’s the problem I have too

                    You can’t have Hillary without Pelosi and company

                    As a proud centrist conservative, I say today that both parties need to routed and reborn. We have come to the point where party affiliation doesn’t matter.
                    Saving America from the enemy within is paramount and involves all of us from the discredited and worthless Democrat and Republican party.
                    The New Party……..“The American Tea Party”
                    is arising as scheduled.
                    The organization for the Tea parties is profound and we can now see that
                    The New Center is being born.
                    White conservative women are the new shield for liberty and tradition. They are the firewall against forces that want to destroy our heritage and way of life.

                    Watching that Lispman guy on Fox who used to be part of Hillary’s campaign trashing Sarah with total abandon was just too much for me.

                    Have you noticed that these misogynist liberal pigs shout and call conservative women names like little ten year old kids.

                    The Backlash will be severe!!!

                    These Sexist clowns have no idea what’s coming at them.

            • OMG

              Please go to patriot hearts blog and donate so they can travel to DC this week to serve presentments to all members of congress to stop this bull. They need anything you can donate, sky miles or a few bucks. Please.

          • OMG

            It’s a set up. Nancy writes all the bills (or has lawyers write them) and she puts them on the floor for a vote. Barry Stupidly signs the bills without knowing what’s in them because that’s his pre-planned and agreed upon payback to nancy for stealing the election for him. Nancy gets all the bills passed and signed and then boots him out (can’t say how-it’s too incriminating) and becomes president forever because by then the take over of this Republic will be complete and the country will be fascist based. Soon-very soon. This is all pre-planned.

          • http://noquarter foxyladi14

            you betcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • IMHO

          I doubt Nancy would get it because she would probably be under suspicion for being a personwho was a part of the cover up. She would be in with a long list of people…..

          • OMG

            No- all she has to do is threaten them to get her way. That’s what she’s good at doing.

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            Timing.

            Doesn’t Pelosi come up for re-election in 2010?

            • OMG

              No-her re-election was last year against Cindy Sheehan and her rich fascist friends got her back in for another 6 years. Did you all know that she was appointed speaker by DNC leader and doctor from Vermont who helped steal the election from Hillary. What’s his name…the plan is in. nancy is the one behind the curtain as well as council on foreign relations or CFC with Hillary as the water bearer. Remember Biden was checking out his underground bunker get-away map? The plastic caskets in GA and all. This is a long planned thing.

            • Senneth

              All members of the US House of Representatives come up for re-election in 2010. The term is only 2 years. I don’t know how many senators are up for re-election in 2010 since their term of office is 6 years.

        • politicalidentitycrisis

          but then Nancy gets impeached as an accomplice and then, who is it who’s next? There would be one person in line before Hillary, no?

      • CG

        Remember why many did not want to impeach Bush, because we’d get Cheney.

        • politicalidentitycrisis

          So, who is saying they would prefer Obama to Biden??? That is just insane. I’ll take Biden any day over a fraud!

  • Texas Playwright

    Of course many of us want to see ALL his records–if he were honest, he’d show them. Hillary underwent extensive vetting that bho the fraud himself said he could not pass. He is a usurper of democracy, of American ideals and values, epecially civil liberties.

    Born outside the USA and acting like the incompetent, undemocratic,corporate stooge he is, bad enough.

    Born inside the USA and acting like the incompetent,
    undemocratic, corporate stoohe he is, despicable.

    This is what fascism looks like–banks, media and coroprations in collusion with the political machine. Kicking the judiical and legislative branches to the curb in a continuing quest for executive/dictatorial power. Spying on citzens in all ways at all times while keeping your crimes hidden. Yeah, I’d like to see ALL the records of bho the fraud and his 33 WH czars–the D.C. politburo.

    How about it, We the People? Shall we ignore this road to socialism, communism, fascism? Or, shall we keep speaking up for our democracy and find out who bho the fraud and his cartel really are?

    • Texas Playwright

      oops, bad spelling. “corporations,” “stooge,” and anything else I missed.

  • Snoopy

    Soetoro daily approval poll dips to new record low , -11 and falling like a lead balloon………

    Strongly Approve 29%

    Strongly Disapprove 40%

    Total approve 49%

    Total disapprove 50%

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

    • TexasMirth

      The bloom is off the rose. It’s about time.

      • viking

        I’ll say!!!!

        I’m still shaking my head at his alienation of law enforcement across the entire country. Not to get off topic but between that, the “cling to guns and bibles” comment and the ongoing BC issue just who trusts and loves this guy now? (Lefty Commie Pinko No-good &%#$&s, that’s who!) Some majority.

  • OMG

    For chrissakes there is a monument erected in his birth town in Kenya. Everyone in the town KNOWS he was born there.
    Americans do not want to be punked any longer and the numbers are showing.
    Presnitdent Stupidly’s approval index numbers hit an all-time low:The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. That’s the first time his ratings have reached double digits in negative territory. BEWWRE-Nancy is about to get the euthanasia health bill to the floor for a vote by this Friday. Stop them.

    • ritamary

      You are deluded. You don’t even know how long a U.S. House member’s term is but you expect people to believe that “Everyone in the (Barack Obama Senior’s home) town KNOWS he was born there.” How do you know everyone there believes that? Have you been there?

      I really hate being in the position of defending Obama but some of the statements made here are just too bizarre.

  • OMG

    For chrissakes there is a monument erected in his birth town in Kenya. Everyone in the town KNOWS he was born there.
    Americans do not want to be punked any longer and the numbers are showing.
    Presnitdent Stupidly’s approval index numbers hit an all-time low:The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. That’s the first time his ratings have reached double digits in negative territory. BEWWRE-Nancy is about to get the nazi euthanasia health bill to the floor for a vote by this Friday. Stop them.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      and not a peep from Hawaii.strange

  • viking

    Fellow NQers-

    Follow me here for one minute please. As interesting and appealing as it would be to have the Obamination declared a usurper and ineligible, its not going to happen because the law on all these natural-born-citizenship permutations is not settled.

    What is settled law are things like forgery, fraud, conspiracy to commit, conspiracy after the fact, etc., etc.

    If LJ is right, its the criminal acts committed in furtherance of hiding the unprecedented citizenship status that should be the focus. Those are most probably impeachable offenses. Don’t lose the forest through the trees!

    • christine from chicago

      agree with this too!
      i agree with the fact that whichever way you look at it he is a crook..
      and he is squatting in the white house!

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Absolutely.

      It’s the coverup…

      Shades of Watergate

  • http://none jessiebritton

    Oh what a web we do weave when we first practice to deceive.Now we hear that the reason for not releasing the original birth certificate is because his given name was “Barry” and not Barrack. The alleged birth certificate has the name Barrack and we now must ask who was responsible and had this document prepared. The “weaving of the web continues”.

  • christine from chicago

    no matter where the hell he was born..
    and no matter what he is trying to hide..
    he has admitted that his father was a Kenyan national at the time of his birth which makes him
    NOT
    a natural born citizen…
    and therefore ineligible to hold the position of POTUS…
    end of story..
    he is a liar and a cheat…and also a racist
    on top of being ineligible!

    • OMG

      Yes. He said a few weeks ago that he didn’t want to be everyone’s president. Like just blacks and muslims? He did say in his auto-biography that he would side with the muslims if the going got tough. He is racist and an anti-american. He just gave huge amount of dollars to Hondorous for accepting the usurper back into office. Hillary supports this too. They are supporting the biggest drug king-pins ever. What liars. Trying to fight the war on drugs? LOL tell me another one! :grin:
      And I voted for her and donated $500 to her campaign. Never again. It was a set up from the beginning of the primaries. The fix was in and it was all for show. We got punked.

  • bayareavoter

    I always wondered about Claire McCaskill’s efforts in 2008 (with BO) to change the Constitution regarding citizenship. They tried to make it about McCain but it seemed obvious it was for BO’s benefit

    here’s an anti-Bambi site that clarifies what she did

    http://tinyurl.com/nwvtms

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    Barack Obama is now caught in the lie.

    Wasn’t Bill Clinton impeached because of a lie? I seem to recall that was the big deal, “He lied!”, everyone screamed! Especially the right.

    If impeachment happens because of a lie, them it is time to start the proceedings against Obama. The sooner, the better!

  • anonymous

    section 1481 article 2 provides loss of nationality b natural born citizens upon taking an oath making an affirmtion or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state. Obama made a declaration to a foreign state, Indonesia that did not allow for dual citizenship and where you had to become Indonesian to go to school there. He’s not natural born even if he went through immigration he would only be a citizen not natural born.

  • ownaa

    I always wondered why don’t they just go a head and forge one, they forged every thing else. Unless they know for sure that there is some one out there who has the right document. That someone is daring them big time GO A HEAD MAKE MY DAY.. FORGE ONE!!!.
    Could that one be LJ…just kidding

  • texaslatina

    larry- with all due respect- i disagree with you on this one. cuz even if what u say is true, i don’t think the rebublicans will come out lookin bad, overall obama will look bad. it’s the cover that will get’em every time. and obama is gonna look bad no matter this turns out.

  • seymour glass

    Personally,
    I think they may be hiding
    that this son of a bitch,
    in actuality,
    is a bastard.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      his parents were married, according to the divorce papers

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/12234409/Divorce-Decree-1964-13-Pages-Merged

      • tzada

        If I am not mistaken, Sr was already married. So his marriage to 0 mother would not have been legal any ole how. Correct ? No ?

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          depends on if they recognize his tribal (i read that’s what it was) wedding from kenya in the US. i’m not sure how that works. perhaps the divorce was an in case situation?

          • FLDemFem

            Tribal marriages were recognized under British law, which is what counted since Kenya was a British colony at the time. So the US marriage to Ann Dunham was bigamous and invalid.

  • christine from chicago

    they are trying to keep the lid on this because there are too many vermins complicit in this whole mess…
    no one would be left standing…
    maybe nobody will be left standing..
    it would be really nice to fire the whole lot of those hoodlums in DC..
    start with some fresh blood!
    Go sarah!

    • viking

      Remember back when Obama had secured the nomination? There were four or five prominent democrats who publicly stated that they would not even consider the nomination to run as Obama’s V.P.

      Bells went off for me right then and there.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Me, too. I remember those refusing to take the VP slot.

        It neutralized a lot of the fervor surrounding Obama at the time.

        Truth be told, I think there’s many more than the Clintions who know the score. It’s when the game will start to end on this…

        • OMG

          Biden declined to be VP but then was ‘forced’ to take it because no one else wanted to be associated with this thugling. Biden…presidential candidate in 2008 with a whopping 9,398 total votes. :lol: :grin: cough cough, snort spit.

  • Matt Smith

    One of the few, if not the only, official records from Obama’s childhood that is available on the Internet is a document from his school in Jakarta, Indonesia, when he lived there with his mother and stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. It states that his name was Barry Soetoro, his nationality was Indonesian, and his religion was Islam.

    Does this mean that he was a citizen of Indonesia? If so, when did he revert back to US citizenship, or did he have dual citizenship? These are simple questions. Where’s the documentation to answer them?

    It also is alleged that he was born at Southern Coastal General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and a Kenyan birth certificate was on file. However, during Obama’s presidential campaign this (reported) birth certificate became unavailable for public viewing. His paternal step-grandmother is reported to have said she was present at his birth in Mombasa, but that statement was quickly shushed up. A video shows that the grandmother’s home was fenced off, a heavy metal gate installed, and a guard posted to prevent access to her by the press and public.

    If you haven’t read it, get a copy of the recently published book “Barack Obama and Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder?” by Lawrence W. Sinclair. Available from Barnes & Noble and Amazon.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I think it is really interesting how the media is all over this story now. Tingle Matthews can’t quit talking about it. This issue has been around forever, but they never wanted to touch it in the primary. Obviously they didn’t want it to damage obama getting elected.

    Now, they can’t stop talking about it…why? ratings? I always suspected they wanted Obama because they knew he was a gold mine in media stories. Not only the historical aspect, but the skeletons in the closet, as well. Media is self serving?

    • barry bums a ciggie

      I thought the same thing. Since Ostupid’s approval rating is heading south, the msm is trying to help poor barack by telling Americans that he’s once again is being attacked by the conservative-crazy-racist-tea-baggin’-attendees. Unfortunately for the msm, they are the last to know that Americans has already seen the mask slip off Barry Soetoro during the past months.

      • IMHO

        Good Point

  • Matt Smith

    I wrote a comment on this topic, and clicked “add comment.” Why was it not posted?

  • http://! stodgie

    i am not an attorney but if i read the other articles correctly he ceased being a natural born citiizen when he lost citizenship upon moving to indonesia. that particular item(natural born) i would assume cannot be given back. he has another type of citizenship now. please correct me if i am wrong.

    • viking

      No stodgie, sorry.

      One cannot lose natural born citizen status as a minor being moved to Indonesia by his parents and even adopted by Soetero. That does not amount to a renunciation of U.S. citizenship.

      Again, under the complex emerging fact pattern here, whether he could be considered natural-born as contemplated by the constitution for eligibility for POTUS would be a case of first impression.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Obama is not natural born because his father was not a US citizen. It does not matter what on soil he was born.

    The US Constitution is not optional. Read it.

    • bayareavoter

      Are you sure? Immigrants, legal and otherwise, have babies here everyday who are automatically US citizens.

      • http://in Elizabeth

        It’s the distinction between a citizen and a natural born citizen.

        The main controversy boils down to this one question:

        If Barack Obama Jr. was born in the United States but, at the time of his birth, his father was a citizen of a foreign country and not a U.S. citizen, does Barack Obama Jr. meet the Constitutional “natural born citizen” requirement for presidency?

        Obama apologists say “Yes”. They believe there are only two kinds of American citizens: naturalized and natural born. A naturalized citizen is someone who becomes a citizen after his or her birth, through a legal process called “naturalization”. A natural born citizen is anyone who is a U.S. citizen at birth. Since President Obama was born in the United States and was consequently a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, he is a natural born citizen, regardless of his parents’ citizenship.

        Birthers say “No”. They believe that, when the Constitution was written, a “natural born citizen” was someone who was born in the United States and whose parents were both U.S. citizens at the time of his or her birth. You cannot be a Constitutional natural born citizen unless both of your parents were U.S. citizens when you were born. If you are not a Constitutional natural born citizen, you are not eligible to serve as President.

        Thus we have two opposing viewpoints regarding the meaning of “natural born citizen”. Which one is correct? So far, the Supreme Court has not answered this question because, until now, there was no reason to. Now, the Supreme Court needs to do its job and answer the question.

        http: //people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref04

        • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

          Very well said, Elizabeth. Thank you.

          Viking–I was not directing my “Read it” at you–it was just a frustrated shout out to the general ether.

          The SCOTUS’ job is to debate major cases in relation to the Constitution. You’d think they would jump at this one. What is up with them?

          Here’s an interesting discussion between an Obot and a Birther that has some technical information: http://www.reboottherepublic.com/blog/currentevents/i-just-kod-an-obama-bot-o-bot-on-the-birth-certificate-issue/

          This should all be figured out way before we demand the certificate of birth, but the BC is still a very valid issue not honestly address by the current pResident.

          • viking

            SNK-
            Its okay, no offense taken. SCOTUS avoids strictly political issues, usually utilizing ripeness/mootness as its rational. SCOTUS does not want to become a politicized branch of gov’t. The decision to take up the 2004 election results was a surprise to me and not the typical posture they take on politicized issues.

        • FLDemFem

          They believe that, when the Constitution was written, a “natural born citizen” was someone who was born in the United States and whose parents were both U.S. citizens at the time of his or her birth. You cannot be a Constitutional natural born citizen unless both of your parents were U.S. citizens when you were born. If you are not a Constitutional natural born citizen, you are not eligible to serve as President.

          Well, that would have disqualified our first three Presidents, if not four. Their parents were all British citizens, until the Revolution. It doesn’t matter what the “birthers” believe, what matters is what the Constitution says.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Um, I believe Viking most likely has read the constitution.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        i don’t know why it is so confusing… something like this should be crystal clear to understand. I have NO idea from reading all this what constitutes a natural born citizen.

        • oowawa

          I share your befuddlement, American Girl. You would think that some authoritative political body, like say SCOTUS, would take an interest in defining the concept of “natural born citizen” in detail. After somebody has already been elected and sworn in, it seems a little late.

          • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            i think they DO need to pass that new legislation to define this moving forward. With the world becoming smaller, and people on the move, we need to define Presidential requirements.

            • oowawa

              Absolutely. In a matter of such extreme importance, the definitions must be exact, and a powerful enforcement agency (the FBI?) must sign off on a statement that all requirements for the office have been investigated and fulfilled.

      • viking

        Indeed I have Buzz. I was just gonna let that one go but thanks for piping up!

  • OMG

    Right now it’s a major distraction. He and nancy and Hillary are pulling all kinds of fascist shet and we aren’t paying attention.

  • Adopted

    Actually I think as long as one parent is a citizen, they pass on natural-born citizenship to their children regardless of where they are born. So, even if he was born in Kenya, which I, like Larry, sincerely doubt, he would be Natural Born U.S. Citizen through his mother.

    However, it seems to be unsettled whether Ann Dunham was old enough to pass on citizenship. I read somewhere that the law said someone had to be a citizen for five years to pass on citizenship, and that the citizen clock didn’t start counting until they’d reached age 14.

    That would mean B.O.’s mama was not able to pass on citizenship to him because she was not yet 19. However, the law is murky, and that particular law was later changed. So, do we accept the law as it was written in 1961, or the way it is now?

    Assuming his mama gave him natural-born citizen status, however, the law is still murky regarding DUAL CITIZENSHIP. How does his father’s British citizenship, and his admitting of being a “dual citizen at birth” affect his NB eligibility.

    Moreover, if he were adopted and became an Indonesian citizen, likewise, that would seem to make him ineligible, especially if he attended school as a foreign student.

    The bottomline is this: The vipers in the press and the wacky far left will paint this issue as being RACIST. Anyone who brings it up will be branded a nutjob. That’s what our country has come to. PC Dogma has replaced common sense. They’d all rather live in tyranny under an ineligible fraud than risk being called a racist.

    I fear that we are all being bullied into silence. Look what they’re going to do to a respected journalist Lou Dobbs, just for asking a sensible question: why is Obama fighting all this rather than producing the document?

    We’re turning into Iran, people, where journalists are being bullied, websites are being shut down (have you noticed Hillary’s Village is now GONE? They were vocal critics of Obama).

    We need to realize what’s going on … This is not just another Jimmy Carter. This is another Hugo Chavez.

  • Seattle Moss

    Thanks for the straight scoop on the BC.

    Obviously Obama is caught in a cover up of information that could have denied him rightfully so the presidency.

    Israel has found out real fast who Obama aligns himself with..

    I knew the moment he said 57

  • OMG

    Stanley Dunham was not old enough for long enough to pass on citizenship the Mr. Stupidly.

  • Matt Smith

    stodgie, you probably are right in your assumption. One of the very few, if not the only, documents from Obama’s childhood that may be viewed on the Internet is his registration for school in Jakarta, Indonesia, when he lived there with his mother and stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. His name was “Barry Soetoro.” His nationality was “Indonesian,” and his religion was “Islam.” Does this mean he had become an Indonesian citizen? If so, when did he revert back to US citizenship as a naturalized citizen? These are simple questions, but where can we see the documentation to answer them? Under what citizenship did he enter Occidental College in Los Angeles CA? Under what citizenship did he travel to Pakistan when US citizens were forbidden to go there? Any records which would answer these questions are sealed, destroyed or otherwise unavailable to us, the citizens and taxpayers of the USA.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      and that certainly supports larry’s statements that obama was barry obama/soetoro.

  • http://! stodgie

    the thing for the average american joe/jane to actually get wind of what we political junkies have known and discussed for ages. their reponse won’t be kind to ole O. i saw what i think will be the next republican president on cspan the other day. please understand i told my family clinton would be president long before he got it. huntman from utah has a lot of the things we might want. he is nice looking, smart, articulate, well grounded in foreign policy. he speaks chinese fluently. he and wife adopted two chinese children. he has been nominated for ambassador to china. many repubs it is good to get him out of the country for awhile with repubs readusting to their losses. take a look at him. i liked what i saw.

  • mel in tx

    Thank you for this post Larry. I just have to add my two cents – I agree with Larry he is usually on point as well as informed.

    As to Ohblahblahs fraud – truthfully I don’t think he ever expected to win – I think he ran for President to sell more books but the Powers that be chose him over Hillary and deliberately threw her and Bill under the bus.

    I think he is lazy – look how many vacations he has had and getting ready to go on another one. He doesn’t make a stand on anything – voted present over 100 times in the Illinois state Senate. He is WII !!
    I had hoped my opinion would change but it is the same – He is still an arrogant prick in my eyes. What the hell has he done that he needed to write two books about himself ( probably Bill Ayers did that for him)? There are so many people that do so much more in their every day lives. I also might add he hasn’t transcended race he has set it back 30 years !! I really wanted to have a qualified competent black president not this fraud – he has ruined everything.
    He could have waited – this was Hillary’s time. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be much worse than W.

    • Georgia

      Honey, you think HE WILL BE??? He already is!

    • Steve_in_KC

      Mel, I completely agree with this statement you made:

      As to Ohblahblahs fraud – truthfully I don’t think he ever expected to win – I think he ran for President to sell more books but the Powers that be chose him over Hillary and deliberately threw her and Bill under the bus.

      I just wanted to emphasize it, because I have believed that all along. I think he was just as surprised as the rest of us that he won Super Tuesday, with the help of the MSM. From there on out, the DNC and MSM backed him 100%.

  • It hits the fan

    This article plausibly explains the whole issue. What concerns me are all the people wondering this or that about this incompetent jerk currently holding the office of President. Whether he is qualified or not, he is the President as much as I hate to admit it.

    Rather than spend so much effort speculating about the past, I think our collective time would be better spent organizing and stopping what he and the Pelosi/Reid cabal are attempting to do to our nation.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      feel free to submit an article, make suggestions or organize something.

      we like to have a variety of posts, some light, some heavy, some fun, some serious. If you scroll through you will find a wide variety of topics. personally, at this moment i am quite enjoying this thread.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      I hope I am wrong but I think he will be much worse than W.

      He already is worse and it’s only 7 months in…

  • Ginger

    Hawaiian state law allows children born outside Hawaii get valid Hawaiian birth certificates (S. 338-17.8)
    The following Hawaii state law (Hawaii Revised Statutes S. 338-17.8) allows children who are born outside Hawaii to obtain valid Hawaiian birth certificates, depending on the residency of their parents. This law isn’t restricted to those born in the other 49 states; a child could be born in a foreign country and still get a valid HI birth certificate. This law was added in 1982, as confirmed by law librarians at the U. of Hawaii and L.A. County law libraries.

    Note the fact that this applies to parents living in the “Territory” of Hawaii, an entity that was dissolved in 1959. If this law had been intended to only include children born in 1982 or later, would they have referred to the “Territory” of Hawaii? Clearly, this was intended to include those born before 1982 as well.

    The source is here, and here’s the text of that page:

    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

    (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

    “Hawaiian state law allows children born outside Hawaii get valid Hawaiian birth certificates (S. 338-17.8)
    The following Hawaii state law (Hawaii Revised Statutes S. 338-17.8) allows children who are born outside Hawaii to obtain valid Hawaiian birth certificates, depending on the residency of their parents. This law isn’t restricted to those born in the other 49 states; a child could be born in a foreign country and still get a valid HI birth certificate. This law was added in 1982, as confirmed by law librarians at the U. of Hawaii and L.A. County law libraries.

    Note the fact that this applies to parents living in the “Territory” of Hawaii, an entity that was dissolved in 1959. If this law had been intended to only include children born in 1982 or later, would they have referred to the “Territory” of Hawaii? Clearly, this was intended to include those born before 1982 as well.

    The source is here, and here’s the text of that page:

    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

    (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

  • liz

    I do not think this will effect the LEGAL ARGUMENT REGARDING HIS FATHER…EITHER WAY BY HIS OWN ADMISSION HIS KENYAN FATHER PLANTED HIM. THEREFORE WITH THE DONOFRIO SUIT AND NOW KERCHNER HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER ORIGINAL INTENT ARTICLE II SECTION I CLAUSE V.THE PLACE OF HIS BIRTH IS OF LITTLE RELEVANCE IN THIS LEGAL THEORY. READ THE ORGANIC DOCUMENTS OF THIS COUNTRY’S FOUNDING AND SUBSEQUENT LEGAL RULINGS OF SCOTUS.HE MUST HAVE TWO AMERICAN CITIZEN PARENTS THAT IS WHY THE FRAMERS DEVISED THIS…LOYALTY.HIS FOREIGN INFLUENCES BLEED INTO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH VIA RELATIONS AND FOREIGN INFLUENCES OF EVEN STEP-FATHER.THIS IS NOW SHOWING UP IN HIS ANTI-AMERICAN,PRO-ISLAMIC POLICIES.

  • liz

    I made a mistake…place of birth must be in USA.Sorry. He may very well have that covered. Its Kenyan Daddy that is problematic if you believe in the legal explanations of Kerchner & Donofrio.

  • Chicago Joe

    When I see the long form of his birth certificate, then I will believe he was born in Hawaii.

    One of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals is to make fun of your enemies.

    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

    So it is easier to ridicule the right wing fringe than to spend 20 bucks to get that long form out there, once and for all.

    No, they are hiding something, but I don’t know what. It could be parentage, it could be birthplace, it could be something else.

    But for my money, he is a lying liar who has now plumment 41% in approval since the inauguration.

    Now might be a good time to pull that BS our of your a$$, Barry.

    • Chicago Joe

      Sorry, I meant BC.

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  • viking

    Here’s a link regarding the legislation which proposes to require ‘longform’ birth certificates be made mandatory for eligibility to run for POTUS. These Congressmen could probably use support (and not the kind that screams OBAMA IS A KENYAN). Just saying.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/Matthews_pushes_birth_bill_cosponsor.html

  • mel

    Sorry for the bit of spin, but as far as the announcement of birth of Obama has been proven to be false in is reporting for the following reason:

    According to Private Investigator Jorge L. Baro sworn statement in a court filing, investigators checked out the neighbors of the address mentioned in the announcement and met with the neighbor who lived next door to the mentioned address, since prior to 1961, in the announcement and were informed other people lived at the mentioned address in 1961. Furthermore, the neighbor stated she had knowledge of the Obama’s living in Waikiki at the time.

    Thus false Birth Announcement!

    One other note, a true Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii at the tie of Obama’s birth has a line #23 which is for “evidence for delayed filing or alteration”

    Interesting line that #23!

    Before assuming anything from this whole fiasco that can be easily put to bed instead of theories, read this court filing:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4784592/1961-hawaiian-birth-certificate

    And don’t go thinking there were real stand up people checking out the original papers shown on Lou Dobbs show, it was 2 people from Factcheck.org, who photographed and check the certificate and they are funded by who?? The Anneburg Foundation, Bill Ayers friends!

    • jbjd

      Annenberg Political Fact Check has no legal privity to U.S. citizens. Thus, they have no obligation to provide us with information regarding whether the candidate for POTUS is a NBC; and we have no reasonable expectation of such information.

    • mel

      My swing on the BC, because BO is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, communite Traveller and a funder of the Weather Underground.

      Here is why:

      Davis was a known sexual pig with young women.
      Davis was divorced in 1970 and the first time BO saw BO Sr was in 1971. Now BO Sr was a poor Kenyian in the 1970′s so who flew him to Hawaii and for what reason?
      Davis was always a close friend of BO’s grandparents, again communists.
      BO Sr. married BO’s mom when she was 3 months pregnant, was he a plant by Davis, after all BO Sr was also a travelling Communist.
      Was the line 23 changed on BO’s BC in 1971 during BO Sr’s visit?
      Also consider this, BO went to Davis’s funeral in 1987, but not his mothers or grandmothers blaming not going on running for office. But in 1987 Obama was prepping to go to Harvard on a legacy entrance because BO Sr went to Harvard. Damn BO needed the changes be made again to his BC or no Harvard.

      As to Obama being born in Kenya or Canada, possible to protect Davis’s wife (a white Chicago elite woman) from finding out.

      There is that darn Line #23 again in the long form BC!

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/26/the-obama-birth-certificate-controversy/#comments GORDO

    Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (CDR USNR Retired) is the Lead Plaintiff in Kerchner v Obama & Congress.

    He makes the following points:

    “… Obama was a British Subject at birth in 1961. With citizenship of another country at birth, i.e., in Obama’s case British citizenship at birth he is not, and can never be, a natural born citizen of the USA.”

    http://tinyurl.com/mrqgax

    “While a natural born citizen is obviously a citizen at birth, not all citizens at birth are natural born citizens. The two legal terms of art are not identical and are not equal.”

    http://tinyurl.com/lz3m3m

  • waterstradt

    Hawaii was a Liberal state when Obama was born would they have left to the parents the choice as to which race to list on the certificate? Could Mom picked white?

    • oowawa

      And why not? That possibility is rational and not implausible at all. He certainly is as “white” as he is “black.” Who knows?

  • eleana

    Dual citizen ship: Father born in Kenya under British rule=British Subject
    Stepfather:Indonesian, adopts Barry Soetoro..becomes Indonesian citzen as Indonesia did not recognize dual-citizenship.
    John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
    Natural Born Citizen.both parents mustbe US citizens.
    why is that statement so difficult to comprehend?

  • tminu

    tminu

    (your contributions are not welcome here)

    Larry Johnson

    • oowawa

      that’s a west papuan, see a resemblance?

      Handsome young man. Startling.

  • http://thelizardannex.blogspot.com/ The Lizard

    In all likelihood Obama was born in the US and retained US citizenship. However, I agree Obama is hiding something. It could be the Soetoro birth certificate. It could be Obama used the amended birth certificate to receive scholarships based on being an international student, even though he really wasn’t. It could be as simple as Obama is hiding a fraud committed against the various schools he attended.

  • http://liberalrapture.com/ John (from Liberal Rapture)

    Thanks for this post. This issue has been bugging me for a while. The embarrassing info on the long form BC is probably what you say. I never bought that he was born in Kenya. The only evidence seems to be a grandmother who said she was there. suspect at best.
    I figured it must be something on the BC. Still, BHO brought this on himself.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Okay, let’s say there’s something wrong between the BC and the spin about himself that Obama encouraged and participated in spreading around.

      Why the total denial of access to any and all records? Why the complete blackout of information?

      Is there money involved in keeping these records out of the public domain?

  • Lisabona

    With BC or without BC, 0bama is nothing more then a LIAR. He can run but he can’t hide forever. One lie brings more lies and all of them together will never end. Not in a good way ,anyway. The ” story” he didn’t want the American people think, he is a muslim, it’s not working. Because, he , himself, said ” he will stay with muslims”. Also, he voluntarily, ( almost insisting) took the oath as: BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA. So, why he was hiding that his is muslim before, when he recognized it, when he was taking the oath as president???? Just asking.

  • MrMike

    So, anyway. Where does this get us?
    The republican loonies will go on believing that President Obama was born in Kenya and there is a vast Left Wing Conspiracy to cover it up. The O-bots will think up another excuse to let it slide if it’s true his name isn’t Barack Obama for what ever reasons because nobody would vote for a guy named Barry Soetero.
    What I want is to know where Patrick Fitzgerald is with the Pay to Play investigation and Obama’s part in it.

  • MrMike

    What’s in a name would a rose by any other still smell as sweet?
    Where is Patrick Fitzgerald and Pay to Play when you need him?

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    Spam Filter 1 TeakWoodKite 0

    • pm317

      Hey Teak, I approved it but don’t see it here. Don’t know what happened.

  • http://N/A breeze

    Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

    On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.
    For those of you who can’t take the time to read it. here is the section that applies:

    “Sec.2

    Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

    When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”

    Now for all of you who commented on our previous articles that we were no more that right-wing nut jobs, that this thing about Obama’s birth certificate was a non-issue, and those of you who tried to shift the focus of the stories, doesn’t this strike you as just a little odd?

    That the first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?

    This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda?

    If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.

    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

    http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

  • Elaine

    Why did his Kenyan grandmother say she was in the room when he was born?

    • ritamary

      She was NOT HIS GRANDMOTHER!

  • NomNomNom

    They-Who-Installed-BHO wanted him enough they were willing to rig an election. If it were somehow proven he was hatched out of Stalin’s DNA crossed with a Roswell alien, they’re keeping him. Talking about this further is a complete waste of time.

    “the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”
    Find evidence of one.

  • Babs

    I haven’t started reading most of the posts here yet, so I don’t know if this has been covered yet – does anyone remember a bill or something that McCaskill had introduced in the Senate, with Obama as a co-sponsor, something about McCain’s citizenship, that people at the time were thinking the real purpose was not McCain, but Obama?

    I’ll google it later — my daughter’s shepherd , the best dog ever in the history of the world, just fell down the stairs in her house, he can’t get up, and I am nearly crazy waiting for her to call me.

  • ccwarrior
    • ritamary

      “Ms. Sarah Obama” is NOT OBAMA’S GRANDMOTHER. Repeating the same lie over and over does not make it true.

  • The Magus

    Larry you don’t know anything for certain UNLESS you’ve seen his long form bc. I am NOT taking your word for truth just as I am certainly not buying that computer print out copy that Chris Matthews is showing everyone of his COLB. Larry you’re terrific but until you can verify, I suggest you refrain from selling us YOUR opinion as fact.

  • Retired

    I feel so much better now that I know that it’s just pure deception instead of something more sinister. For a moment there, I thought that Obama might be going back on his promise of open government. Or was that open your wallet government? Maybe I misunderstood.

  • Scranton4Hillary

    My best case scenerio–Boy Blunder gets empeached. Biden becomes POTUS and takes Hillary as his V.P. Biden chooses not to run again for health reasons and Hillary becomes the D candidate for POTUS in 2012.

    • jbjd

      Assuming BO gets impeached, JB automatically becomes POTUS. He chooses a VP, subject to approval by a majority of both houses of Congress. (XXV Amendment) Yes, JB will choose HRC; and Congress will approve her. JB will never run for POTUS; he will give no reason. How the hell is the woman who received over 18,000,000 votes in the D primary going to remain 2nd fiddle to the man who received 80,000 votes. (How many times can one say, inf*ingcredible?)

  • elise

    What you say makes sense,LJ, however it doesn’t answer all the questions. Was he born as Barry Durham or Barry Obama. Is it possible for a child to set aside an adoption, if so, when was that done? How long has he gone by the name Barack Obama? Were his mother and father ever married? The press in this country is a joke.

  • ccwarrior72

    Little off the subject worth mentioning

    Dr. Orly Taitz Esquire Takes The Obama Eligibility Question To The Steven Colbert Show , NPR And Others
    It’s NOT going away
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • ccwarrior72

    Dr. Orly Taitz Esquire Takes The Obama Eligibility Question To The Steven Colbert Show , NPR And Others
    It’s NOT going away
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • Objective Analysis

    Ok, Article II Section 1 Clause 5 states that you have to meet three (3) requirements:

    1. Natural Born Citizen or a Citizen of the U.S. at the Time of its Adoption of the Constitution in September 1787
    2. At least 35 years of age
    3. At least a 14 year resident of the U.S.

    We know that Obama was not born in 1787 (because he states he was born in 1961) and therefore can’t meet being a Citizen of the U.S. at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution in 1787. So, he has to meet the requirement of being a Natural Born Citizen. Ok, To be a Natural Born Citizen under english Common law and adopted by the U.S. Supreme Court in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) and U.S. v. Perkins (1939) you have to meet two requirements:

    1. Born in the U.S. Mainland (e.g. 50 states or district of columbia)
    2. Born to two American Citizens Parents (both mother and father must be U.S. Citizens)

    Now, for the author of this piece saying that Obama is qualified, how can he be a Natural Born Citizen when his father, Barack H. Obama Sr., was a KENYAN NATIONAL (British citizen) at his birth on August 4, 1961?

    Now, on November 30, 2007, Candidate Barack Obama signed two documents (one from the Commonwealth of Virginia and the other a Candidate Nomination form from the State of Arizona). These documents are registered with each state’s records office on December 13, 2007 at 3:01 respectively.

    In these documents, Obama affirms that he meets the constitutional requirements of being a natural born citizen. (Check The Obama File Latest news for proof of the documents filed)

    Under the definition (that Obama should know under constitutional law being from Harvard Law School), Obama does not qualify to be President of the U.S. because his dad was a Kenyan National and not a U.S. Citizen at birth.

    So let’s get this straight, Larry Johnson, are you know stating that Obama meets the constitutional requirements under Article II Section 1 Clause 5 knowing that he would not be considered a natural born citizen because his father was a Kenyan National and not a U.S. Citizen?

    • bho boo

      right, and this fuzziness just this does not make sense

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