Due to the number of comments, we’ve closed the original post and re-posted Larry’s essay in full to allow you to continue your discussion.

The Obama birth certificate controversy emerged again in the last couple of weeks thanks to the questioning of Lou Dobbs:

I think it is important to put to rest the notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. He was not. He was born in Hawaii, a U.S. state, and by virtue of that fact is a U.S. citizen. So what’s the big deal? The Obama team have refused to release the original birth certificate and that fact fuels speculation that they are hiding something. Well they are. What?

Barack Obama was not named “Barack” in the original birth certificate. He was “Barry” not Barack. But that’s not all. The birth certificate was amended when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian muslim, around 1968. David Axelrod and Barack Obama decided against trying to explain these issues, worried that the Soetoro birth certificate would reinforce the charge that Barack was a secret muslim. Such a charge would have muddied the waters and alarmed too many folks in the midwest and south. They covered it up and, with the help of an incurious media, kept these questions tamped down.

If you want to read more about Barack’s life as Barry Soetoro you should go back and read a post I did a year ago.

Let me be clear. Barack Obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be President. He was a young boy when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. As a youngster he had no say in the amendment to his original birth certificate. He also was introduced to Islam through his step-father. But that relationship ended when Barry Obama Soetoro returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. He never renounced his U.S. citizenship. The refusal of Barack Obama and his political team to forthrightly address these issues has kept the controversy alive.

The following video by video blogger syc1959 illustrates how a birth certificate is legally “updated” to reflect an adoption.

Barack Obama is now caught in the lie. If he comes clean with the original copy of the birth certificate he will be damaged politically because it will be clear he was not forthcoming or transparent about his childhood. People will realize the story he has told is more myth than fact. This in turn will fuel a new meme, namely, that Barack Obama cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

Similarly the rightwing will be damaged if it persists with the nonsense that Barack was born in Kenya. I know many believe this but it is not true. The real reason Barack Obama is evasive about his original birth certificate is that he wants people to forget he once was an Indonesian muslim boy named Barry Soetoro. It is that simple.

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Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.
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  • jecolon

    You are a deceitful man, Larry. You are a flip flop. What did Hillary paid you to shut up about the BC? Is that why you haven’t spoken of it for two years? Your golden girl is going to be in the headlines soon. And it won’t be in the trail- it will be in front of Congress. Obama was NOT born here. So continue your deceit for at the end, you will be another one that will look like a liberal idiot to most of us who ONCE had respect for you.

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  • goldengrahme

    Yes, viking, your observation is the crux of the issue, IMO.

    A million dollars in legal fees were spent to keep BOs past under the radar.  This fraud is so huge, it strikes at the foundation of
    Constitutional law.  But after the graft & corruption of the Bushistas,
    the American people were tired and willing to sip the Kool Aid while
    singing, “Happy Days Are Here Again.”  Group psychology administered by clever mind manipulators.

    Also, there is a big question of Obama’s draft records; seems they were also fudged to meet with image necessities. 

    And the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the Henry Louis Gates incident was staged.  The big “teaching moment” dramaturgy bit seemed more like a skit inspired for freshman dorm consumption.

    If memory serves, Gates had spent his summer vacation on
    the upscale isle of Martha’s Vineyard.  Wonder if the plot was hatched during that time.  Methinks he did indeed protest too much.  The
    whole thing was silly to the max.

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  • David Becher

    As said here
    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/james-c-ho-birthright-citizenship-the-14th-amendment-and-state-authority/#comment-2149here and by Akhil Reed Amar in “The Constitution” it is the 14th amendment that is important. It incorporates both citizenship and requirements for being President of the United States. Obama, even if he was born in the United States does not pass the “jurisdiction” requirement of the 14th amendment, because he had de facto British/colony citizenship when he was born which disallows meeting Natural Born citizen test.

  • David Becher

    Under the 14th amendment of the US Constitution a child born on American soil is a US citizen regardless of parentage … So Barry Jr. could have had a US citizenship by birth right… and he would have had British and Kenyan citizenships even though he may not havec held a passport. The tricky part in Obama’s case … which I have not seen discussed anywhere …

    Section 1 of the 14th amendment (… the relevant part) says: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    Akhil Reed Amar (constitutional law scholar at Yale Law School) in “America’s Constitution, a Biography,” says the 14th Amendment followed by several months the Civil Rights Act of 1866, enacted following the Civil War. The Civil Rights Act of 1866 overturned the 1857 Supreme Court ruling under Chief Justice Roger Taney on Dred Scott. The language in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 re birthright citizenship is almost identical, “all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”

    The 14th Amendment provides the unambiguous constitutional legal expression of the Civil Rights Act of 1866. It excludes persons under the jurisdiction of another jurisdiction, including children of a foreign parent under the jurisdiction of another country, and tribal Indians. The intent of the jurisdiction clause was meant to prevent infiltration of the U.S. government by foreign influence. Barack Sr. was nominated by the Kenyan government to visit American to attend college. The reason for not wanting offspring of foreign diplomats as defined under the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment was to guard against the lingering fear of foreign countries especially Euros and especially Brits gaining control.

    The US allows dual citizenships under some circumstances, but if a child is born with dual citizenship it is born under dual jurisdiction of the two countries which disallows a Natural Born citizenship. This is a fundamental difference which (for election of President and Vice President), the authors of the 14th amendment clearly recognized.

    Under Part II of the British Nationality Law 1948, Barack Obama Jr. was born a citizen of the United Kingdom by descent because his father was a citizen of the United Kingdom.

    Sec 5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

    If Obama Sr. became a naturalized citizen of the United States then this wouldn’t be an issue.

    People are failing to recognize the difference between a US citizen and a Natural Born citizen. There is a difference. If there weren’t a difference then the Framers of our Constitution would not have used the exact words they used. They / the document was not meant to be repetitive/redundant, and all of the have explicit intent.

    The 14th amendment incorporates but is not limited to Article II.

    Obama as born with multiple citizenship rights, and therefore was subject to jurisdiction and loyalties to multiple governments therefore he was not / is not a “natural born citizen.”

    It doesn’t matter where he was born.

    Upon birth, Barack Obama Jr. was subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom and perhaps Kenya via his father. He is not a Natural Citizen and therefore unqualified to be elected / serve as President of the United States.

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  • Dan

    The endless debate on this topic, and the strident personal attacks from the left on those who are simply requesting routine and readily produced proof (if in fact Mr. Obama has the hospital certificate on file he claims to have) should motivate those on both sides to simply ask for that which would resolve the question one way or the other: A certificed copy of the birth certificate on file in Hawaii.

    One can very quickly find out from the Internet what a hospital-issued birth certificate from Hawaii looked like in 1961. That document has all the details necessary to quickly confirm its authenticity and lay this matter to rest.

    There is a tremendous amount of confusion here, some deliberately spread by folks trying to make this go away without said disclosure. First, a Certification of Live Birth is not a long form hospital birth certificate. In fact, such a certification would result from a delayed filing of birth, a procedure in 1961 which some folks used to get birth certificates for non-Hawaiian births.

    The skeptical should notice that the hospital has refused to confirm the alleged birth there and that Hawaii has steadfastly refused to disclose what form of vault copy they have and they sure aren’t going to admit that folks not born there could get those delayed filings approved with little verification other than proof of residency for one year.

    Anyone who look’s at this individuals rather unique history, including adoption by a foreign national of a country that does not recognize dual citizenship (Indonesia), potential eyewitness reports of his birth in Kenya with no offsetting similar reports from Hawaii, his obvious travel to Pakistan when it was banned by the U.S. which means he was traveling on a foreign passport, possibly as a foreign national.

    And then there’s those concealed college admission records that would show under which nationality Mr. Obama applied to college.

    Add it all up, and there’s sufficient reasonable doubt here such that asking Mr. Obama to simply disclose that which he claims to have, is hardly unreasonable or wacky.

    So let’s see that hospital birth certificate you claim to have, Mr. Obama.

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  • smrstrauss

    Re: “The Obama team have refused to release the original birth certificate…”

    It is because Hawaii refuses to send out copies of the original birth certificate that Obama cannot show it.

    He asked for a copy of his birth certificate in 2007 or 2008, and Hawaii sent him the Certification of Live Birth. This is a legal document and it legally proves birth in Hawaii, absent proof that he was born anywhere else (and there is no proof of that).

    But, it is not the original birth certificate. Who controls the original birth certificate? Not Obama. He cannot authorize Hawaii to show a copy because Hawaii has rules that it sends out only the Certification of Live Birth. http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html

    So, it is Hawaii that is preventing showing the original birth certificate. The solution is to get Hawaii to change the rules. The Governor of Hawaii is Linda Lingle.

    However, you will discover that the original birth certificate shows just what the Certification of Live Birth shows, and what has been confirmed by the officials in Hawaii, and what was confirmed by this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html), that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    I suspect you will ask again, “then why doesn’t he show it?” The answer is that he doesn’t have it because Hawaii will not send it to him, or for that matter, it will not send copies of original birth certificates to anyone.

    • Ladysforest

      You are entirely wrong. They can’t release it to anyone without a tangible interest. He (obama) himself can obtain and present the long form BC. It would be wonderful if some of you in denial would check out the actual facts instead of blindly believing in what some flunky self proclaimed reporter “writes” in an ill conceived attempt to gain favor with this white house.
      The facts, the laws, and the sources are plastered all over the internet now. Now go forth and educate yourself, you will be stunned.
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  • Daisyjane

    I haven’t read each and every post; seems to be going over much of the same ground.

    Larry’s theory seems entirely plausible and I’m willing to accept it at face value. But that doesn’t end Obama’s problems, and here’s why:

    First of all, we have a potential national security issue. (Larry, you’re the expert of this. You can correct me if I’m wrong, of course.)

    Obama’s hiding of his records makes him a candidate for BLACKMAIL, foreign and domestic. He needs to come clean to eliminate this possibility.

    The rank & file military, both officers and enlisted (whom are about to get to the bottom of this, just wait about a month) are concerned they might be facing an “enemy combatant” problem of their own. Without a legitimate CIC, they can be picked up on the battlefield, held without GC protections, just like Gitmo.

    Finally, if Larry’s theory is correct, we still have that little matter of his college records. The speculation, unproven but rampant, is that he entered school and received aid as a foreign student.

    Trust me on this one. If he entered school and accepted aid as a foreign student while holding American citizenship (forget the NBC for a second), this is FRAUD, gang.

    If he WAS legally a foreign student, there isn’t a snowballs chance on God’s green earth that he meets the threshold of the presidency (eligibility wise)

    This is such a mess, it’s unreal. It’s also what happens when the “race card” is turned into a race “shield.”

    good grief….

    • Slim Tyranny

      “The speculation, unproven but rampant”

      Pretty much a perfection description of all this absurdity.

  • prieur

    my mum was american, my late dad was french- my parents lived in the US where I was born- from birth and I did not choose it I have been a natural born dual citizen in thos edays to be anatural born citizen we had to be born from a US citizen in the USA, THAT IS IN IOWA as for the french laws, having a french dad wherever I was born grants me for life a french citizenship
    we lived sometime sin the US then we moved to france in my childhood, -my parents marriage was a happy one if alas cut short by ill health- fact is by birth w/o me trying to cheat on any 2 countries was a dual citizen by birth
    I hold a US PASSPORT and life has it that living in Britain I can ask for a british passport after 5 ys there – crazy isnt it
    my husband is french but life has it that we also lived in the US where our son was birn and again same thing he is an american citizen by birth and same thing from his dad
    NO we dont plan to become POTUS
    and no we did not plan our lives
    the most relax is my husband who only has one nationality
    though after so many yrs could apply for US citizenship but why
    we dont live in the US
    yet if we plan to retire not in Britain not in France he can apply for US CITIZENSHIP AS we certainly can prove a longstanding relationship
    just saying barack did not plan anything regarding his childhood and his mother vagaries
    for all we know, his mum may have lost his birth cert.
    kept my son`s in the safe but things can get lost when one is moving countries and houses
    How does one look at oneself due to life`s jokes
    well sometimes I wonder if the letter C in atlantiC ocean should not be an island where at least no one would ask me to choose between my sainted mother country and my beloved dad homeland
    my parents never asked to choose between them who I loved most never
    when I read those posts I fear many have not carefully considered what is the actual real life of us dual citizens by birth
    as an adult- OK fair enough I chose to become a US citizen
    but France does not recognize it because I can only lose my birth right if I commit some heinous treason against the fernch laws and I really dont see how I could commit any treasonous act
    as my private and profesional life is rather bland and possibly blame free- ok the podd parking ticket
    you see LARRY i FEEL THAT BARRY or BARACK is not responsible for the mess and yes like you I thi nk he was born in hawaii and his parents and his mum specifically made a mess in paperworks
    so what his name was soetoro
    he was raised by his grandma from teh age of 10 in hawaii
    I dont think he connived to become POTUS from that tender age
    I still would vote for him regardless
    and if some americans are offended because his mum chose a non american man twice it is between then and obama late mother
    the sins of the parents are not to burden the innocent children
    life is odd
    my son girl friend is american
    will make life easier for my grandkids isnt it
    we dont choose who we love
    I wish you all peace of mind
    OMG what will happened if my grandson wants to become POTUS or POTFR….

  • tillthen

    Sorry if this was already been asked and answered: Does the CIA and or the DOJ know what Larry Johnson is saying and if so, are they not obligated to take action, whatever that may be? Who goes to whom with the evidence? Congress, the Supreme Court, the FBI?

  • Hank

    What would happen to everything he has signed as President?

  • vadaryl

    This could be why Obama has sealed his Thesis, medical records, college grades, and whatever else he has locked up. He would have to explain the name that is on all the forms. He could of used the name to get grants in college as a foreign exchange student. If this is all true then what? Impeach him? Vote him out in 2012? What can we do about it?

  • Will

    You people are freaking nuts! Get a job for God’s sake!

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    I want to see the passport the boy blunder traveled to Pakistan with in his 20s. What country issued that passport??