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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
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		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he is shown in handcuffs on his porch, not the lawn, so I&#039;m not sure how accurate the lawn thing is.  
I think it far more likely that he was not aggressive, but rather highly obnoxious: one presumes if he had said anything qualifying as threatening, he&#039;d have been charged with it, but the charge was disorderly, and it was dropped.  

I don&#039;t want to repost whole thing but I described my encounter with police drawing guns on me at a traffic stop (where we hadn&#039;t committed any traffic offense) a couple days ago.  (Obama: I don’t know anything about it, except the white cop acted stupidly).  
I don&#039;t automatically assume cops behave well.

In any event, I am far more concerned with the retention of my right to say what I want in my own home, than I am this asinine quarrel between the professor and the sergeant.  Right now it&#039;s verbal speech in one&#039;s own home towards a police officer in question.  What&#039;s next?  Our speech on the internet?  Criticism of Obama?  

Here is another case of the police&#039;s idea of disorderly.  My post of it has &quot;disappeared&quot;. 
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/28-9
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/us_news/south/nat_wala_mobile_deaf_man_tased_pepper_sprayed_20090728927_2693456</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he is shown in handcuffs on his porch, not the lawn, so I&#8217;m not sure how accurate the lawn thing is.<br />
I think it far more likely that he was not aggressive, but rather highly obnoxious: one presumes if he had said anything qualifying as threatening, he&#8217;d have been charged with it, but the charge was disorderly, and it was dropped.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to repost whole thing but I described my encounter with police drawing guns on me at a traffic stop (where we hadn&#8217;t committed any traffic offense) a couple days ago.  (Obama: I don’t know anything about it, except the white cop acted stupidly).<br />
I don&#8217;t automatically assume cops behave well.</p>
<p>In any event, I am far more concerned with the retention of my right to say what I want in my own home, than I am this asinine quarrel between the professor and the sergeant.  Right now it&#8217;s verbal speech in one&#8217;s own home towards a police officer in question.  What&#8217;s next?  Our speech on the internet?  Criticism of Obama?  </p>
<p>Here is another case of the police&#8217;s idea of disorderly.  My post of it has &#8220;disappeared&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/28-9" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/28-9</a><br />
<a href="http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/us_news/south/nat_wala_mobile_deaf_man_tased_pepper_sprayed_20090728927_2693456" rel="nofollow">http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/us_news/south/nat_wala_mobile_deaf_man_tased_pepper_sprayed_20090728927_2693456</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to apologize, Objective.  We all know that jerks come in all colors, sizes, genders, ethnic backgrounds and religions.  If we had to apologize for every corner that we might be associated with, there&#039;d be no time for anything else.

The important thing is to cut through the fog and call each incident for what it is: real or bogus. 

In this case, I think the evidence is clear.  Except for deluded Obamatrons, who now [a point of interst] are backpedalling on the racial profiling and finger pointing that Crowley&#039;s police report was inaccurate.

So, he&#039;s no longer a racist, merely a liar.

Somethings never change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to apologize, Objective.  We all know that jerks come in all colors, sizes, genders, ethnic backgrounds and religions.  If we had to apologize for every corner that we might be associated with, there&#8217;d be no time for anything else.</p>
<p>The important thing is to cut through the fog and call each incident for what it is: real or bogus. </p>
<p>In this case, I think the evidence is clear.  Except for deluded Obamatrons, who now [a point of interst] are backpedalling on the racial profiling and finger pointing that Crowley&#8217;s police report was inaccurate.</p>
<p>So, he&#8217;s no longer a racist, merely a liar.</p>
<p>Somethings never change!</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattle Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, Affirmtive Action can be used as a strict quota mechanism or create situations of reverse discrimination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

I know first hand Reverse Discrimination

When I first moved to seattle with my planning/political degree..I tried to get a job with the city..

Seattle flat out told me that I wasn&#039;t the right color nor the right gender.
Better luck next time pal!

Fortunately I have no chip and things worked out.
Now you know why I&#039;m such a champion of women...They are always being discriminated against and I want it to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, Affirmtive Action can be used as a strict quota mechanism or create situations of reverse discrimination.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know first hand Reverse Discrimination</p>
<p>When I first moved to seattle with my planning/political degree..I tried to get a job with the city..</p>
<p>Seattle flat out told me that I wasn&#8217;t the right color nor the right gender.<br />
Better luck next time pal!</p>
<p>Fortunately I have no chip and things worked out.<br />
Now you know why I&#8217;m such a champion of women&#8230;They are always being discriminated against and I want it to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Docelder, affirmative action was a tremendous benefit on the level of gender, since women (esp. &quot;white&quot; women) who were trying to break into the ranks of higher education and of TV news reporting (&amp; radio) benefited greatly from this gov policy. All that these women needed was an opportunity to show they, too, could handle the job -- and the rest is history.  (Alhough women as a class still earn 76-79% less than men!) 

Unfortunately, Affirmtive Action can be used as a strict quota mechanism or create situations of reverse discrimination.  This just goes to show that policies and laws need to be rethought generationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Docelder, affirmative action was a tremendous benefit on the level of gender, since women (esp. &#8220;white&#8221; women) who were trying to break into the ranks of higher education and of TV news reporting (&amp; radio) benefited greatly from this gov policy. All that these women needed was an opportunity to show they, too, could handle the job &#8212; and the rest is history.  (Alhough women as a class still earn 76-79% less than men!) </p>
<p>Unfortunately, Affirmtive Action can be used as a strict quota mechanism or create situations of reverse discrimination.  This just goes to show that policies and laws need to be rethought generationally.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
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		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/us_news/south/nat_wala_mobile_deaf_man_tased_pepper_sprayed_20090728927_2693456
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/28-9  
&lt;b&gt;Deaf mentally handicapped man pepper sprayed, tasered by police for not leaving restroom stall&lt;/b&gt; when they ordered him to (he couldn’t hear them).  Police arrested him and  tried to charge him with &lt;b&gt;disorderly conduct&lt;/b&gt; but the magistrate would not accept the charge.  He spent 5 hours without being charged with anything at the police station before being released.
A spokesman for the Mobile Police Department said the officers&#039; actions were justified because the man was armed with a potential weapon -- an umbrella.
Spin that why don&#039;t ya&#039;ll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/us_news/south/nat_wala_mobile_deaf_man_tased_pepper_sprayed_20090728927_2693456" rel="nofollow">http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/us_news/south/nat_wala_mobile_deaf_man_tased_pepper_sprayed_20090728927_2693456</a><br />
<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/28-9" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/28-9</a><br />
<b>Deaf mentally handicapped man pepper sprayed, tasered by police for not leaving restroom stall</b> when they ordered him to (he couldn’t hear them).  Police arrested him and  tried to charge him with <b>disorderly conduct</b> but the magistrate would not accept the charge.  He spent 5 hours without being charged with anything at the police station before being released.<br />
A spokesman for the Mobile Police Department said the officers&#8217; actions were justified because the man was armed with a potential weapon &#8212; an umbrella.<br />
Spin that why don&#8217;t ya&#8217;ll.</p>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my line of thinking too, Docelder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my line of thinking too, Docelder.</p>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Animal C, I understand that the term &quot;Hispanic&quot; is  manufactured -- either by the gov bureaucrats to offer more categories for the Census or by advertizers.



(BTW, I&#039;ve heard the term &quot;hispanists&quot; used to refer to scholars whose focus is the study of Spain (or anything having to do with Spanish language and culture).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animal C, I understand that the term &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; is  manufactured &#8212; either by the gov bureaucrats to offer more categories for the Census or by advertizers.</p>
<p>(BTW, I&#8217;ve heard the term &#8220;hispanists&#8221; used to refer to scholars whose focus is the study of Spain (or anything having to do with Spanish language and culture).</p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
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		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Impersonating a Victim&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;This past March 29th, Professor Henry Louis Gates was being interviewed in front of a small group by Walter Isaacson on C-SPAN&#039;s Book TV.  Thirty-three minutes into the discussion about his new book on Lincoln, Professor Gates began a detailed account of his own genealogy.  He said that in doing so he had discovered he was about &quot;50% white&quot;.  He said that this was quote, &quot;To my astonishment and horror...&quot;.  

He continued by saying that he had subsequently sent his DNA off to be tested.  This time, upon finding out he was &quot;57% white&quot;, he said again, &quot;to my horror .... I was becoming more white by the minute&quot;.  To this Gates, Isaacson and everyone else there chuckled. 

Something tells me that if Mr. Isaacson had said that he also had sent his DNA off and found that to his &quot;astonishment and horror&quot; he was 57% black, no one would chuckle, least of all the Professor of African American Studies at Harvard, Dr. Gates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/impersonating_a_victim.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Impersonating a Victim</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>This past March 29th, Professor Henry Louis Gates was being interviewed in front of a small group by Walter Isaacson on C-SPAN&#8217;s Book TV.  Thirty-three minutes into the discussion about his new book on Lincoln, Professor Gates began a detailed account of his own genealogy.  He said that in doing so he had discovered he was about &#8220;50% white&#8221;.  He said that this was quote, &#8220;To my astonishment and horror&#8230;&#8221;.  </p>
<p>He continued by saying that he had subsequently sent his DNA off to be tested.  This time, upon finding out he was &#8220;57% white&#8221;, he said again, &#8220;to my horror &#8230;. I was becoming more white by the minute&#8221;.  To this Gates, Isaacson and everyone else there chuckled. </p>
<p>Something tells me that if Mr. Isaacson had said that he also had sent his DNA off and found that to his &#8220;astonishment and horror&#8221; he was 57% black, no one would chuckle, least of all the Professor of African American Studies at Harvard, Dr. Gates.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/impersonating_a_victim.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/impersonating_a_victim.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: FranSC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranSC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right, elise - the beerfest will give all the appearances of a victorious B0 and his jerk of a friend, Gates, while Crowley will be used as an example of racial profiling brought under control by no less than the two racists claiming victory.  

However, Crowley had no choice but to accept the invitation or look like a sore &#039;racial profiler&#039;.  I think the Cambridge committee announced yesterday to look into this matter as well as to come up with ways to avoid this situation in the future went a long way in defusing any attempts at a victory celebration the WH had in mind for Thursdays beerfest.  Had the committee idea not been put in place, the WH would have sucked the blood out of this on WH turf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right, elise &#8211; the beerfest will give all the appearances of a victorious B0 and his jerk of a friend, Gates, while Crowley will be used as an example of racial profiling brought under control by no less than the two racists claiming victory.  </p>
<p>However, Crowley had no choice but to accept the invitation or look like a sore &#8216;racial profiler&#8217;.  I think the Cambridge committee announced yesterday to look into this matter as well as to come up with ways to avoid this situation in the future went a long way in defusing any attempts at a victory celebration the WH had in mind for Thursdays beerfest.  Had the committee idea not been put in place, the WH would have sucked the blood out of this on WH turf.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa mathis</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa mathis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reports that I read said that the policeman told the professor to go back inside the house after he (the professor) followed him outside as he was leaving and continued to make a scene attracting a small crowd of spectators. At that time, he was told to settle down and go back inside. When he didn&#039;t, he was warned that he would be arrested if he did not and since he did not he was arrested OUTSIDE HIS HOUSE. If the professor had listened to the policeman, there would have been no arrest no matter what he chose to say  The incident would have been over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reports that I read said that the policeman told the professor to go back inside the house after he (the professor) followed him outside as he was leaving and continued to make a scene attracting a small crowd of spectators. At that time, he was told to settle down and go back inside. When he didn&#8217;t, he was warned that he would be arrested if he did not and since he did not he was arrested OUTSIDE HIS HOUSE. If the professor had listened to the policeman, there would have been no arrest no matter what he chose to say  The incident would have been over.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nom, do you believe if you were aggressive with a police officer, you would not be arrested? There have been two clear examples of racial profiling in the last few weeks, but these principles were not invited for a beer and the resolutions in those cases were not acceptable.

I was very bothered by both of these incidents and unhappy with the outcome. I felt both officers should have been dismissed.

On the other hand, when someone who is doing his job and is wrongly accused of being racist, the negative and undeserved accusation can do as much damage to race relations in the country. Many of us have an intimate understanding of race baiting. Until 2008, I had never been called a racist in my life.

If we can stick to the facts as they are presently known, Gates was not dragged from his house and arrested. Gates followed the officer out to the lawn and continued to harange him. Why was Crowley&#039;s mother introduced into the discussion and what words were used? 

If Gates did indeed use threatening words against Crowley&#039;s mother, why is the lack of respect for a woman Gates doesn&#039;t even know insulting and yet no one is outraged over a threatened rape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nom, do you believe if you were aggressive with a police officer, you would not be arrested? There have been two clear examples of racial profiling in the last few weeks, but these principles were not invited for a beer and the resolutions in those cases were not acceptable.</p>
<p>I was very bothered by both of these incidents and unhappy with the outcome. I felt both officers should have been dismissed.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when someone who is doing his job and is wrongly accused of being racist, the negative and undeserved accusation can do as much damage to race relations in the country. Many of us have an intimate understanding of race baiting. Until 2008, I had never been called a racist in my life.</p>
<p>If we can stick to the facts as they are presently known, Gates was not dragged from his house and arrested. Gates followed the officer out to the lawn and continued to harange him. Why was Crowley&#8217;s mother introduced into the discussion and what words were used? </p>
<p>If Gates did indeed use threatening words against Crowley&#8217;s mother, why is the lack of respect for a woman Gates doesn&#8217;t even know insulting and yet no one is outraged over a threatened rape?</p>
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		<title>By: FranSC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranSC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts about the Cambridge City Manager announcing this think tank committee to investigate how this happened and what to do in the future to prevent it is they were trying to get a heads up on B0 and Gates before Thursday&#039;s beerfest and the possibility they would turn this incident even more into an excuse to talk about their favorite subject as a *teachable* moment for the country as if Gates were the victim he has played since it happened.  I also feel they thought it may cause embarrassment for Crowley that these two were still basically blaming him for racial profiling.  

One thing is for sure. I am so thankful Crowley was the innocent professional.  If he had said anything that could have remotely been interpreted as racial, we would be hearing these lessons from &quot;The Great One&quot; for months.  Instead, he and his friend look like the fools they are, albeit, educated fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts about the Cambridge City Manager announcing this think tank committee to investigate how this happened and what to do in the future to prevent it is they were trying to get a heads up on B0 and Gates before Thursday&#8217;s beerfest and the possibility they would turn this incident even more into an excuse to talk about their favorite subject as a *teachable* moment for the country as if Gates were the victim he has played since it happened.  I also feel they thought it may cause embarrassment for Crowley that these two were still basically blaming him for racial profiling.  </p>
<p>One thing is for sure. I am so thankful Crowley was the innocent professional.  If he had said anything that could have remotely been interpreted as racial, we would be hearing these lessons from &#8220;The Great One&#8221; for months.  Instead, he and his friend look like the fools they are, albeit, educated fools.</p>
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		<title>By: FranSC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranSC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there tapes of that part or are you just wishing?</description>
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		<title>By: FranSC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranSC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her attorney said tonight she decided she needed an attorney because she was being called racist and blamed for the whole incident.   Obviously not!  

After listening to those tapes today there should be a lot of humiliated people, not the least should be Barack Obama and Prof Gates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her attorney said tonight she decided she needed an attorney because she was being called racist and blamed for the whole incident.   Obviously not!  </p>
<p>After listening to those tapes today there should be a lot of humiliated people, not the least should be Barack Obama and Prof Gates.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you absolutely certain Gates made no physical threat against anyone, ahs? My understanding is he made a sexual violence threat against Crowley&#039;s mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you absolutely certain Gates made no physical threat against anyone, ahs? My understanding is he made a sexual violence threat against Crowley&#8217;s mother.</p>
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