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Birth Certificate Lying Still [Updates]

By Larry Johnson on July 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM in Current Affairs

(Bumped up from early Thursday, July 30, 2009. Of note: Also check out Larry’s July 26th post, “The Obama Birth Certificate Controversy,” referenced in Andrew McCarthy’s article at the National Review Online.)

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The White House and media are doing a great job of ignoring the key issue about Barack Obama’s failure to produce his birth certificate. Barack Obama has only produced his “Certification of Live Birth.” He has not produced the “CERTIFICATE” of Live Birth. There is a difference.

Let me be clear that I believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. I believe that the facts show Barack meets the Constitutional requirement to be President. Understand? I’m not part of the “birther” crowd that is insisting Barack is a foreigner and not entitled to be President.

So what’s the big deal? Barack is deliberately deceiving the American public and the world about some uncomfortable facts on his birth certificate. Like what?

Let’s look first at Barack’s “CERTIFICATION.”

CERTIFICATION

CERTIFICATION

What does a 1961 Hawaiian CERTIFICATE of Live Birth look like?

CERTIFICATE of Live Birth

CERTIFICATE of Live Birth



So, returning to the original question, what is missing?

The CERTIFICATE includes the name of the hospital. The CERTIFICATION does not.

The CERTIFICATE includes the name of the attending physician. The CERTIFICATION does not.

The CERTIFICATE includes the name and address of the parents. The CERTIFICATION does not.

The CERTIFICATE includes the race of the parents and the race of the baby. The CERTIFICATION does not.

What is Barack hiding?

As I pointed out the other day one fact Barack did not want in front of the public was his adoption by the Indonesian muslim, Lolo Soetoro. This does not disqualify him from being President.

His name was originally recorded as BARRY not Barack.

Here’s another kicker. His race was listed as “white.” Tough to be an authentic black man when your birth certificate states you are white.

UPDATE #1: One commenter makes the legitimate point about the evidence that exists Barack was named Barry. When Barack Obama was enrolled in school (not a madrassa) in Indonesia his name in the application was listed as “BARRY SOETORO” and his religion as “muslim.” Why make up another name if he is actually BARACK OBAMA? He wasn’t. He had been legally adopted and Lolo Soetoro was raising him as his own.

Here’s the proof:

barrysoetoro
One other point. Barack “Barry Soetoro” Obama’s father’s race is listed on the CERTIFICATION as “African.” WTF? The dude was Kenyan. His race should have been listed, give the conventions at the time, as Negro or Colored. Not African. That is a modern clean up.

Arguing over whether or not Barack was born in Kenya is silly and distracting. The real issue ought to be why is Obama still hiding the original, long-form Certificate of Live Birth? Let’s accept the fact he was born in the USA. Why the continued obfuscation?

UPDATE #2: Paragraph 3 of the Soetoro divorce decree (attached PDF file) says: “The parties have 1 child below age 18 and 1 child above age 18 but still dependent upon the parties for education.”

Barry Soetoro is, of course, the child over 18, but it shows Soetoro claims Barry was his child.

  • snosandy

    I’ve believed all along that he was born in the U.S., but that there is information on his Birth Ceritificate that he is hiding from American citizens. If it truly states on his authentic BC that his race is listed as white, then he is an even bigger fraud than I had ever imagined.

    • Sean

      How so?

      • Patrick Henry

        Because he is going to use another Alias to see empty beer Bottles and beers Caps on a well known web site..as “Touched by Obama..” and he will turn Two of them Magically into thousands…along with Pretzels..”Touched by Obama..” Sucked on By Obama”..or “Sniffed by Obama..”..and the Biggest prize of all…The One Obama Chocked On..and spit out into the salsa Bowl..

        these, Naturally,will come from his Great Peace Accord and handshake Moment today.. in Front of the Most famous Picnic table in America..

        Known as the “Obama Meditation Table….”

        But…Thats another Story..

        • ConfusedAmerican

          I hope the H3LL that Crowley has someone with him that he trusts. I hope to H3LL that Crowley doesnt go into a room with just Obama, Gates and Obama’s secret service.
          Sorry off topic but just had to put my two cents in.

          • Patrick Henry

            Oh…The BEER Summit has been moved to the Rose garden..an Obama says its about race relations..you know…between black folks and white folks..I Hear that Obama has invited His really gooid Friend and mentor Jeremiah Wright..to Be mediator…

            • Patrick Henry

              Oh…wait…Now the Rose Garden is now going to be Known as the “Beer Garden”..

              Way to go Barack…why dont you call Camp David “Eagles Nest” too..??

              • TeakWoodKite

                Band of Brothers had a view.

                Obamafest; nothing like drinking and talking about race. Officer Crowley has an oppertunity to “pay it forward” as the other clowns in the room are incapable of doing so.

                They all come to be instant pals in the Rose Garden and Gates are smiling like cat lickin their chops after a finishing a few mouse beers, I can see the officer making a statement afterwards;

                “As one of those people that BO spoke of who get bitter, and cling to my guns and my religion and have accused of showing antipathy to people who aren’t like me or express anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain my frustrations’; I just want to say that the president will not use me as an unwilling prop for his personal unresolved racial issues. Mr. Gates is not above the law.
                No apology from the president can repair the damage he has done. That said, I hope both BO and Mr. Gates will change the errors of their ways and come to understand we are all Americans.

              • Patrick Henry

                You gotta watch Glenn Beck..On Now…11PM Pacific Time..

    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

      So snosandy… if his birth certificate listed him as “white,” does that mean Barack Obama is white?

      • TeakWoodKite

        On a legal basis it does.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          One would hope you are joking. Do you really think that’s of some importance? … Wow. Just Wow.

          And Obama haters – have you guys heard the stories about the C-Street Family? There you go. Look that up. Now that’s some *real* scary stuff there. Complete wackos. For real. You don’t have to make it up with these guys. They are the real deal. They think they are “God’s chosen ones.” Seriously. Their leader has said that if one of them was a child rapist that would be OK. SERIOUSLY. I’m not making this up. Check it out. There are Governors, Congressmen, & Senators in this group right now. I am not joking. You don’t have to make up stuff about Obama anymore, there’s something real for you to get mad about.

          • goldengrahme

            Yes, I heard the author of “The Family” interviewed recently. And the fact that people in high places band into little self-important, self-promoting cliques is hardly a revolutionary phenomenon. It is human nature, but that in no way exempts Obama from his life of lies and obfuscation.

            I have also read that he falsified his draft registration papers or some supporting cast of characters did it for him From the beginning of his political career, Barack Barry Obama is little more than a construct, a character scripted for a role as POTUS. No wonder he seems so schizoid. One man who does recall him at Columbia remembers him as dazed and surrounded by a haze of smoke rings at a bar.
            Most have no recollection at all. Yet he has emerged this side, enveloped in a supernatural aura, mystical and messianic.

            Go figure!

            If nothing else, this alone should give us pause. Make us wonder as to the authenticity of our body politic, inside and out.

            The health ‘reform’ bill just passed muster in the house committee and will go before the entire House of Representatives for a vote on a bill that John Conyers readily admits was not read or thoroughly vetted. That’s where we should be focusing our ire. Tangled webs abound when we practice to deceive.

            We can’t oust fraudulent Barry, but we might be able to remove certain members of Congress if we unite in righteous indignation next year.

      • Jules

        He’s just as white as he is black no matter what anyone chooses to label him. Those are just the facts.

    • bho boo

      What matters is his legal admission against interest that he was born British. Unless he revoked it, which he did not, according to British law he’s still British. His father had a Kenyan student visa. Obama’s Kenyan citizenship expired at age 21, but not his British citizenship. Obama admitted he was born under the BNA of 1948 in Honolulu. He is not natural born. His sister stated he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and his public school records list him as Indonesian, and he did not acquire a US passport until he was in the Senate. He likely still has Indonesian citizenship.
      No natural born American citizen can be born under the governance of a foreign nation.
      Obama should have been bowing to the Queen, his sovereign. He could still be conscripted into the Indonesian army.

      He’s SO not eligible.

      • Lisabona

        Don’t go further. Barack Obama,then senator, sponsored Resolution 511. This Resolution specified clearly, to be eligible, to the presidency of the USA, BOTH PARENTS HAS TO BE AMERICAN CITIZENS. Obama’s father, had only a student visa and citizen of the UK – British. 0bama also recognized his dual citizenship at birth. I think, it was in Facebook.com,I’m not sure.

        • Chicago Joe

          Barack was born a British citizen, lost his Kenyan citizenship at 21, was an Indonesian citizen by way of adoption and would have had to renounce that and I see no evidence of that? Is that correct? So he not only has dual citizenship, but triple (?) citizenship, or is he even eligible to be a US citizen?

          • bho boo

            He lost his Kenyan citizenship at 21, NOT his British citizenship, and he likely became an Indonesian later.
            We’re talking approximately three citizenships, three governances, three loyalties.

            • Chicago Joe

              That is what I thought. But what does this do to his status as a US citizen? Why is Biden meeting with the Cabinet at Blair House will BHO and family are cavorting at Camp David? War room?

              • Chicago Joe

                From Conservative Brawler

                From the perspective of current law, there is no suggestion that Obama would have been stripped of his US citizenship. He would have, under section 6 (1-3) of the Indonesian citizenship law, had to issue a written denunciation to Indonesia of either his Indonesian or American nationality sometime between is 18th and 21st birthday. Did he do it? Who knows, the man won’t release his records!

                But let us look at the possible paths he could have taken:
                a) he wrote the Indonesian authorities sometime between his 18th and 21st birthday to tell them he had chosen his American citizenship
                b) he wrote the Indonesian authorities sometime between his 18th and 21st birthday to tell them he had chosen his Indonesian citizenship
                c) he did nothing and, therefore, is in violation of Indonesian law

                If ‘a’ then either Obama or Indonesia should have the records to prove it. If ‘b’ then, according to INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481, Obama isn’t even an American citizen, let-alone “natural-born.” If ‘c’ then he’s facing a whole world of legal troubles and scandal. But let’s assume he did ‘a.’ If he waited until he was 21 to file his papers with Indonesia, that would certainly explain the rumors about his using an Indonesian passport to get into Pakistan in 1981. That’s a pretty big “if,” though. And if this is what Obama did, then he and Indonesia would have the records to prove it.

      • Julia

        “Obama should have been bowing to the Queen, his sovereign”

        But she’s white and a woman

    • Ellen D

      I didn’t see on the sample where the baby’s race was specified. Only the parents. Perhaps someone could show me?

      Larry is right, before the civil rights revolution, he would have been listed as “Negro”. Even now, I have to stop my sister, who lived outside the country during the civil rights period from using that term in public.

      It also would be interesting to see who filled out the certificate, whether the mother was designated with the Obama last name and what their addresses (note I said addresseS) were. People cite the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper but birth, like death announcements, are privately placed and can say whatever you want. But you don’t lie on an official document like a birth certificate.

      As someone who was a woman trying to make a career in the sixties, (and not even in a conservative atmosphere like banking) I have often thought that his grandmother placed the announcement to legitimize the birth which was probably out of wedlock.

      Even now, when I hire someone who uses another name or a variation on their own I tell them that all company financial documents will have whatever the name is on their Social Security card which is what the government knows them by. Otherwise, they can write their name whatever way they want.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      It’s hard to tell whether folks are joking or not here… In what way would that be a “fraud” ??? In what way does a child have some influence over how his race is listed on a birth certificate and what real difference does that make?

      I mean seriously… What on earth are you on about?

    • Jim S

      Canada Free Press has an excellent article about Øbama and why because he is not a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution he cannot legally become the POTUS.

      Article here: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13295

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I suspect, IMHO, that not only the birth certificate hold embarrassing information that blows the whole Obama mystique, but that subsequent records, ie university and medical records, have fabrications or inconvenient truths on them, too.

    It would be interesting to see what the mormons handed him a week or two ago when the mormon president went to visit and turn over to him his “geneology”?

    • tzada

      Also how did they have officers Crowley’s family lineage so fast? They linked Gates and Crowley to a common ancestor, Naill of Nine Hostages. This Irish king happens to be mine as well. So that got my attention.

      Gates had his DNA done. What about Crowley? It took me months of research to do my own family history. How did they do Crowleys so fast?
      A little help from the Mormons?

      Ever wonder why the Mormons are so helpful about family trees? Something up with bloodlines? How did the media get the information about Crowley’s heritage? Was it accurate? Or another teaching moment, a tool for 0 to use.

      Larry, I there is something hidden on 0 birth certificate. Read an article yesterday that pointed out this. Why is the Democratic party hiding this? Because if there was nothing, nothing at all to hide …..?

      My take is this. His father whoever he was, was listed as an Arab. Was his father listed as an Arab-African as some have said? Did Barry inherit his purple mouth form his father? Or does Barry have a heart condition? Google purple mouth and eliminate lipstick and see where it takes you.

      • bill

        Interesting idea. I look at the emphasis on his physical fitness and basketball skills as misdirection from his health issues and to show his identity with city folks. His health issues are not as severe as JFK’s.

      • trixta

        Check out this provocative piece of info from gonzotx (at Hillaryis44, “Boob Job II”
        7/29/09 at 8:23 pm):
        *******

        “‘Breaking News: Twins born AFTER Obama Get BC # before Obama’s [purported]#
        July 28th, 2009 | Author: The Dame Truth
        According to Jerome Corsi of World Net Daily, two twins born August 5, 1961 in Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological hospital were given birth certificate numbers that come BEFORE that of Obama’s purported certificate number as shown on factcheck.com. Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637 , which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

        Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

        According to a version of Obama’s purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

        The middle figure in Obama’s purported registration also is different than the Nordykes’. Obama’s is 1961, indicating the year, while the Nordykes’ is merely 61.’”

        (read the rest of the post at Hillaryis44).

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          the addition of 19 to *61* is, I assume, a new addition on the computer generated COLBs. And the extra zero would be to allow for more records, added also by the computer program.

          The fact that Obama has a higher number, I don’t get.

          • trixta

            The higher number is very mysterious indeed! Also, if Obama’s record was adjusted for the computer program, why don’t the twins’ records (as a public record) reflect that adjustment too? Just wondering….

            • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

              his was printed on a post 2000 computer (Y2K upgrade), theirs are from 1961. (per Docelder )

              The addition of 19 is a new computer thing, as is the 0, those don’t mean anything. The sequencing of the last five digits is what I find odd.

              If there are computer print out of the twins COLBs, they should have the new numbers as well (of they are post year 2000)

              • Docelder

                The whole Y2K problem was that years had been kept as two digit numbers and then after 2000 the computers would have no way telling 1900 from 2000 in date calculations. Almost everybody patched for that software bug before 2000. But since Hawaii hasn’t been around that long, the fix would be easy just change the length of the year data field from 2 to 4 and populate every date appending it with 19. Provided you finish before 2000 hits. In short, it would be a software database update, and not a desktop one. It is just my guess, but I think it makes a lot of sense.

                • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                  yes, that is what it seems to be.

        • Docelder

          No. 151 – 61 – 10638

          Pre Y2K software patches.

          No. 151 – 1961 – 10641

          Post Y2K software patches. Which may just mean this was generated by the state after Y2K patches and the other before. The sequencing could have to do with when received by the state for input, and may not be directly sequential by date and time. I think more likely the birth name is the problem or maybe the listing or not of a father.

          • trixta

            A reasonable argument…. But it would still be interesting to know if the order in which these records were entered was not governed by “sequential” guidelines. (Also, it would be interesting to see who entered that information.)

          • ConfusedAmerican

            We are talking about the last 5 numbers.
            These are the numbers that seem out of order.

            You are probably right about the 61 and 1961 part.

            Yet WHY are the last 5 numbers out of sequence. WHY did two children born after and registered after Obama end up with numbers lower than him.

            • Adrienne in CA

              Well it’s not like they were using a computer-generated sequence number back in the 60′s. Wouldn’t the numbers have been preprinted on stacks of multi-part forms? It would be very easy for them to be used out of sequence. It shouldn’t matter, as long as the number on each form is unique.

              *****A

              • ConfusedAmerican

                The registeration dates are different.

                If the twins were registered before Obama then why is the date before Obama’s registration date.

      • lorac

        Are you old enough to remember the old Johnny Quest cartoons? They were cartoons, but they superimposed real people’s lips on the cartoon characters, lips that moved as they talked. It always looked so spooky to me. That’s what Obama’s lips always remind me of – lips that look out of place or odd.

      • jackie

        Family lineage is a very important part of the Latter-day Saint (Mormon) theology.

        Absolutely anyone can access the LDS Family History Library online or at a local Stake Center. you can look up information for free at LDS.org.

        If you can lose the suspicion of the “Mormons” you might really enjoy a visit to the Salt Lake City HQ of the Family History Center. It is amazing and there are books and records from around the world.

        I have worked on my Family history with them for a couple of years and could never had made the progress back to the 1300′s without their selfless support.

        The countless volunteers work with dilligence so that the President of the Church can present every President of the USA with his family history.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Ever wonder WHY the mormons are interested in getting your DNA in the first place?

        No – not the goodness of yer heart – help God’s chosen ones find everyone’s celestial family.

        The real reason…

    • ConfusedAmerican

      If only we could have been a fly on that wall…But you have to remember they probably werent able to get Obama’s BC either. So that means they are working on heresay for anything from his mother forward.

    • Jim S

      Perhaps his college applications have him listed as a foreign student?

  • someguy

    Larry why do you keep posting this? Do you have any evidence that Barack was originally named Barry on his birth certificate? Any evidence at all that his father was listed as white? If you do please post it. If you can’t produce any evidence I will have assume this a bunch of birther nonsense just like the rest.

    • Touchet

      Do you have any evidence he wasn’t?

    • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

      Yes. We have the form that was filled out to enroll him in school in Indonesia. He was enrolled as a muslim under the name “BARRY.” If you are going to enroll a kid as a “muslim” why phony up the name and call him “Barry” when he is legally “Barack?”

      • Touchet

        You may be right about this. I just read the state departments website and it says in the case of a name change, the original birth certificate can’t change but instead they can issue the certificate of live birth with the name change on it.

        Sounds reasonable to me. If its true, it will come out eventually i would wager.

        • Docelder

          state departments website and it says in the case of a name change, the original birth certificate can’t change but instead they can issue the certificate of live birth with the name change on it.

          That is probably very telling and Larry is probably dead on to something. He is American, but everything else we “know” about him which is the manufactured person as established by his own two books… everything else is probably hyperbole. Nothing else makes sense, but that to release the original document would be an embarrassment. Probably it would diminish his believability factor to a point that he would become a virtual lame duck and a one term President. Which makes one wonder… Who knew, but didn’t say? And why not? I am starting to think that a lot knew and didn’t say. But, it will come out I think.

          • http://! stodgie

            docelder, in my view he is already a one termer and lame duck

      • someguy

        That is what you are basing these things on? That could have been his mother’s preference after the divorce from his father. It could have been his preference (Baracks’). My legal name is William but I was enrolled in school as Bill. It is a form of the name. Do you know if Indonesian laws at the time required a birth certificate to enroll in school? In the above post you state these things about the birth certificate as facts not conjecture based on a school enrollment form. Sorry but that is pretty shaky.

        • Touchet

          Yes, and his mother calling him Barry out of heartbreak due to breaking up with his father is a much more solid conjecture. LOL.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          So when they, the educational institutions, asked for your full name – you wrote “Bill”?

          Or are we talking about kindergarten?

          • someguy

            I am talking about elementary school yes. I remember my brother Bob being called Robert because he registered under that name. He would have to correct the teachers when they called attendance the first time every year.

            • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

              Here’s the deal. Even in elementary school children are registered by legal name.

              I know a true story. A child’s middle name was Garvey. But the child’s mother misspelled it as GRAVEY. The error went in unnoticed until it became time to do federal reduced lunch forms. The school would not change the child’s registration until the mother brought in the child’s Long Form Birth Certificate and proved the real middle name was Garvey.

              When I graduated from HS we were not allowed to use diminutives or nicknames on our diplomas. The reason being was that is was used as a document for jobs, college entrance, and the military.

              But the point is: Why would Barry be registered as Barry as a legal name IF his real legal name was Barack – especially in a muslim country? Here’s the tough part…because his legal name is Barry.

              • someguy

                You didn’t go to school in Indonesia. So your experience or mine does not prove or disprove anything.

                “Why would Barry be registered as Barry as a legal name IF his real legal name was Barack – especially in a muslim country?”

                His bohemian hippie mother probably didn’t like any organized religion and wanted to downplay the association in a Muslim country. Who knows. I can conjecture all day too but that is all it is.

                His name could be Barry on the COB. I don’t know and neither do you. That is my point. If you are going to make assumptions about a document based on another document then state it as an assumption not a fact. If it was Barry then he must have legally changed it to Barack (BAR Exams etc). Wouldn’t that leave a paper trail though? If there isn’t a legal name change filed in the US then he was probably named after his father despite a hand-written Indonesian school enrollment form.

                • Karma

                  Psst….She embraced men from two different countries and now she is a bigot? Bohemian hippies embraced and respected all religions, they discarded the typical divisions you are lamely suggesting she had.

                  You are also suggesting/assuming that he changed his name back to Barack. However, that would still leave him legally a Soetoro and unable to claim his Harvard legacy spot. Legal name change doesn’t change the adoption which cuts all legal ties to Obama.

                  He can’t claim a legacy as a Soetoro so maybe he just pulled a ‘Someguy’ ruse and wrote a name which wasn’t his legal name. And thus his legacy enrollment was based on fraud and so is every other legal document in his life.

                  He real name isn’t Obama unless his adoption was ‘set aside’ within five years of the adoption. Otherwise the statute of limitation is up and he is still a Barry.

                  • someguy

                    Maybe she was a John Lennon faction hippie.

                    The conspiracy web you spin in the rest your post makes no sense. Maybe you should look up what “Harvard Legacy” means. That is not Obama.

                    • Karma

                      Conspiracy web…LOL…it is based on the law.

                      I know because I was adopted and my step-mother lawyer….set it aside.

                      Obama has no claim to his Harvard legacy spot because the adoption cut all legal ties to his real father.

                      He isn’t an Obama. And the law views it as if he was NEVER an Obama after the adoption by Soetoro….unless he had it ‘set aside’.

                      And that is why he would have no claim to the legacy spot. Once again, in the eyes of the law he was never an Obama.

                      As a lawyer he knows this and that is why he is spending so much to avoid showing a $20 birth certificate.

                    • Cat in NJ

                      Great insight, Karma

                    • Karma

                      Thanks…

                      Just another interesting twist on the saga that is Obama.

                      LOL

                    • elise

                      In his book, Dreams Of My Father, Obama said he was known as “Barry” in Hawaii. His school registration lists his name as “Barry”. On his Bar application, he answered “no” to the question re aka. By his own admission, that is a lie.

                      I’m perfectly comfortable with your alias, “Someguy” or UBM or any other. I would like to know the name of the president, however. I would like to know when he changed his name to Barack Obama.

                      I don’t care if he is Muslim, Black or biracial. I do want to know who the leader of the free world is. As others have said, John McCain had to produce his birth certificate and the Senate passed a resolution confirming his citizenship.

                      Why do you feel only right wing crazies want the answers to these questions? If our president is vulnerable to extortion or blackmail, we have a right to know. His father had other wives therefore his parents marriage, if it ever took place, was not valid in this country so how could he be Obama? If he was known as Barry, when did he become Barack?

                      Your willingness to accept everything without question is incomprehensible to me. You are no different than those Bush supporters who still believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and his claims about WMDs.

                    • http://! stodgie

                      someguy, you are reaching too far and falling flat on your tush.

                  • lorac

                    I don’t know for sure how the legacy admission policies work, but my guess would be that it wouldn’t hinge on a last name – not every one has their father’s name (a tradition that is, of course, very patriarchal).

                    There are people now who are naming daughters after the mom and sons after the father, to make it more equitable. And of course there are children given hypenated last names (which I personally think is crazy – what happens when two hypenated people have a kid…. now the kid’s going to have four names in their hypenated last name!)

                    The point is to be the child of someone who went to the same school – a last name won’t prove that (especially since many people have the same last name). It would have to be proven that you were the child (such as by BC), not that you have the same last name.

                    Anyway, that’s my guess…

                    • elise

                      lorac, I believe legacies are based on endowments so it’s doubtful Obama was entitled. I’ve heard he had scholarships and I’ve heard he had student loans. Of course, nothing he has said about his past has been proven and it morphs from day to day.

                    • Karma

                      I understand what you are saying and it messed with a few teacher’s heads at the time. After my adoption I never changed my name so it differed from my parents, but that isn’t the legal or social issue I am discussing.

                      Obama Jr, can’t claim a legacy if the law doesn’t view Obama Sr as his dad after the adoption.

                      Obama Sr was NEVER Jr’s father as far as the law is concerned.

                      Never…not for one second no matter what an old birth certificate says. It is still….never.

                      And of course, daddy building a wing on campus sure helps the approval process, but not all legacies are based solely on money. However, all legacies are based on family ties.

                      So if the adoption cut all of those legal ties. And a false last name still doesn’t give Jr. claim to those ties. How does a Soetoro claim an Obama Harvard legacy spot?

                      He can’t legally…..which is the whole point.

                    • Karma

                      Correction

                      Should be…

                      He can’t legally…’unless the adoption was set aside’….which is the whole point.

                • socalannie

                  Wouldn’t that leave a paper trail though?

                  Yeah, so one would think. I’ve never seen a public figure have less of a paper trail regarding their life’s accomplishments. We knew everything about the Clintons. The fact that barry won’t release any of his “paper trail” is the whole problem, and why this story will never die.

                  • someguy

                    All presidents try to hold their records from public scrutiny. Including the Clintons. Because there are people out there who want to pour through them for any embarrasing nugget. Even if it was something the public figure had no control of like how his mother filled in his birth certificate information.

                    I would bet you have never been as interested in a public figure’s paper trail until now.

                    • Karma

                      Yeah that Bush AWOL paper trail never interested any Clinton Democrats.

                      Oh wait….yes it did.

                      Rather lost his job over it and the entire country watched.

                    • Chicago Joe

                      Who is going to be the journo who risks his job for this one? Does Lou Dobbs have what it takes?

                    • socalannie

                      Sorry, someguy, you’d lose your bet. There were a lot of things about Hillary, Bill, Both Bushes, Cheney, & Reagan that I would have like to have seen the true backstory on; one is listed by Karma, above.

                    • Karma

                      LOL…

                      Betting a political junkie that they don’t care about the truth is a fool’s bet.

                      There are a lot of backstories I would love to know more about too SocalAnnie.

                    • socalannie

                      :)

                    • Fifth Dimension

                      And of course, there is no dearth of background/historical information on the Clintons, Bush, Reagan already out there. Hell, you can go to Wellesley and read Hillary’s senior thesis, yet so many of Obama’s records are ‘inaccessible’ or ‘sealed.’

                      Meanwhile, even the *suggestion* that Obama share the same info is met with cries of ‘persecution.’

                      So much for transparency. :shrug:

                    • someguy

                      I stand corrected. My point that all presidents try to keep their records from public release stands though.

                      “Sorry, someguy, you’d lose your bet. There were a lot of things about Hillary, Bill, Both Bushes, Cheney, & Reagan that I would have like to have seen the true backstory on; one is listed by Karma, above.”

                    • http://! stodgie

                      someguy, so sorry you don’t get the doll. we keep the money but thanks for playing.

                    • Scout

                      Oh, please. The Clintons have been examined under every kind of microscope that exists, including Axelrod’s.

                      B0 is hiding something unbecoming to an American president. That he does so, along with many other actions, betrays his antipathy toward this country and his office.

                • tzada

                  Glad you brought up the bar exam thing. Why did Hussein (this is the only name not in dispute) NOT TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT ANY PAST NAMES HE HAD USED? Why?

                  • someguy

                    Who says he didn’t? Do you have the paperwork? Is it available online? I can’t find it. Is this just something you heard? If so who did you hear it from?

                    • tzada

                      Do you have proof he did list all his alias?

                    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                      He didn’t list them in his ARDC:

                      http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf

                      ARDC Individual Attorney Record of Public Registration and Public Disciplinary and
                      Disability Information as of April 25, 2008 at 11:50:44 AM:

                      Full Licensed
                      Name: Barack Hussein Obama
                      Full Former
                      name(s): None

                      He also lied about his parking tickets. haha
                      http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2ExMGI1YzRhZjg5NDcxYjY2Y2VhZGFiZmE1MDRlM2E=

                    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                      hmm, after reading this again, i’m not sure what that means, exactly. that he never practiced under another name, or he never supplied an alias…?

                    • tzada

                      When I registered for my professional license I had to list any past names and they took my fingerprints as well.

                      I swore under oath that my statements were true.

          • ConfusedAmerican

            I have taught and currently sub. The child’s school records have to match the BC records. Sometimes in parenthesis they will have the child’s nickname —-
            Barack(Barry) Hussein Obama or Barry (Barack) Hussein Obama would be what might be on the school’s official records if there was a difference in what the student preferred to be called.

            The pupil’s teacher’s records might be a different story.

            • someguy

              Did you teach in Indonesia in the 1960s? I doubt it. Did you even teach in the USA in the 1960s. This doesn’t prove anything about his birth name. Many seem to take this stuff as an article of faith because I still see no evidence.

              • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                But it would have been more advantageous to have a muslim name like Barack rather than Barry in Indonesia.

                The reason to use Barry in Indonesia is because it’s his ONLY real first name.

                Forest for the trees moment here, William, Will, Willie, Bill, Billy,

                • someguy

                  Okay. Lets use some critical thinking here Buzzi. What is the name in the birth announcement form the Hawaiian paper? Wouldn’t it be more advantageous to use Barry in the largely christian US?

                  I doubt his mother wanted him to become a Muslim. Even then it was a religion that repressed women and his mother was a very liberated woman. Ahead of her time in many ways in the 1960s. I would guess she wanted to downplay the Muslim name in a Muslim country. She didn’t want that religion for her son. Or perhaps his step-father filled out the registration. Not much of a school registration by the way just a hand written document and not much to hang a massive conspiracy on.

                  • JRD

                    A liberated woman would never marry a muslim, get real!

                    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                      LOL!!

                      Stanley Ann Dunham was a pawn in a devious plot – that’s a better theory than the old Barry’s really Barack nonsense.

                    • DCMediagirl

                      A liberated woman would never marry a muslim, get real!

                      Wow. What an ignorant, racist comment. It looks like in your worldview all Muslim men, and by “all” I mean every single one on the planet, are crazed mullahs who engage in honor killings and force their women to wear burqas. Only a few decades ago “real” Germans weren’t permitted to marry Jews in order to avoid tainting the pure Aryan race. Get a life.

                    • NoBamaNoWay

                      Comment by DCMediagirl | 2009-07-31 23:07:07

                      A liberated woman would never marry a muslim, get real!

                      Wow. What an ignorant, racist comment. It looks like in your worldview all Muslim men, and by “all” I mean every single one on the planet, are crazed mullahs who engage in honor killings and force their women to wear burqas. Only a few decades ago “real” Germans weren’t permitted to marry Jews in order to avoid tainting the pure Aryan race. Get a life.

                      what was ignorant or racist about the statement? that fact that somewhere on earth a muslim man exists who truly views women as equals has absolutely no bearing on the general truth that most of them don’t. if someone were to make a valid generalization about republicans or christian fundamentalists, would that be ignorant and racist?

                    • socalannie

                      Is “muslim” a racial designation now? I thought it was a religion. I know many lovely muslim people myself, dcmediagirl, but really, if the man is a practicing muslim, its pretty hard to imagine how a modern woman with modern, “liberated” principles, could have a successful marriage with one. One or the other would have to make a huge sacrifice of principles and dignity. You have to make enough sacrifices in a marriage without adding a major fundamental difference in beliefs.

                  • ConfusedAmerican

                    Back then I don’t think many would have associated Barrack with the Muslim religion.
                    Most would have just thought of it as an peculiar name.

                    IT was pretty much 9/11 that changed people’s perspective on the Muslim religion.

              • http://! stodgie

                and someguy, in my view you are so biased you can’t even see the truth.

            • lorac

              There was a movie called, I think, “With 12 you get eggroll”. It had Lucille Ball as the mom and Henry Fonda as the dad. They were both widow/ers, and fell in love before realizing that the other also had a lot of kids. But they went ahead anyway and got married, and their military experience enabled them to run such a large household with coordination and efficiency.

              The youngest son of Lucille didn’t really remember his own dad, and he was smitten with his “new dad” and wanted his last name. The mean nuns at his school refused to call him by his stepdad’s name because there had been no adoption to change his name – even though Lucy was almost in tears saying that this was the first indication that the huge group of kids was beginning to feel like one family. Lucy and the nun had a bit of an altercation about the issue, in true “I love Lucy” form!

              But in the end, the parents had to fork out all that money to have each of the kids adopted by their stepparent – the school wouldn’t budge at all.

              • socalannie

                The movie you’re describing, with Lucy & Henry, was called “Yours Mine & Ours”. Doris Day & James Garner made a movie called “With Six You Get Eggroll”; also, about 2 widowers with kids.

                One of my friends was in “With Six…” Your comment was a blast from the past, haven’t thought of this in years. Thanks!

                • lorac

                  Oh, you’re right! But I did pretty well with this ole memory of mine!

        • Fifth Dimension

          And let me guess, you registered under a different *last name* also?

          The mental gymnastics some people will go through to shield Obama from any uncomfortable, not-already-screened question. *shakes head*

          • someguy

            I have seen greater mental gymnastics by some people to see conspiracies where there are none.

            As far as shielding Obama – not my job. He has people for that. Conjecture stated as fact should be pointed out. When reading this post I wondered where this information came from and asked. Maybe that would be mental gymnastics for you. Keep shaking your head maybe it help you think for yourself.

            • elise

              You never read Author Conan Doyle, someguy? Logic is everything when faced with an absence of facts. All he has to do is release the proof and the issue will go away.

              • someguy

                Yes I have read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Did you read the post I was responding to? Larry presents these things as facts. Later in the update (after my post) he clarifies it is conjecture. Good enough.

                As far as releasing proof. I doubt anything he released would settle the issue. The wild speculation about all things Obama would just move onto other conspiracies. All it would accomplish would be to give his critics something to try to embarrass him. As Larry states he believes Obama was born in Hawaii but he would still like to see the COLB because it might reveal things that could be used to shame him or hurt is street cred. Suppose his name was listed as Barry or his father was Caucasian. He didn’t fill in the birth certificate so what is the point other than embarrassing him.

                • tzada

                  He has pandered to blacks, claiming to be an AA. If it turns out he is not, what about his “street creed” then?

                  If his house is built of race cards, everyone should know the truth. AA more than any other, if they have been used.

                  What do you think this is? A “witch hunt” to embarrass a president?

                  Why do you not want to find out too? Does the pride thing of having an AA in the White House, blind you to the fact that it may be a cuckoo bird sitting there?

                  • Sean

                    His father was born in Africa. How can you overlook that? You think that if he is documented as white that somehow his father doesn’t exist?

                    • tzada

                      Who is his father?

                    • socalannie

                      ROFL!

                • JRD

                  The point is his street cred.

                • elise

                  TRUTH is always the point, someguy and it always matters even if it hurts.

            • tzada

              Interesting article.

              The Alchemy of Democrat Cover-ups

              I have no idea whether Barrack Obama is a natural born American. I’m not a “birther” and I haven’t spent a lot of time on the issue, but I have noticed a lot of people are curious, not just fringe “kooks”, but reasonable people who seem to have logical reasons for their curiosity. I do not know if Obama fits the constitutional requirements for the Presidency, but I do know Democrats, and when then work hard to hide something, that something is usually a doozy.

              Think for a moment of other recent examples of Democrat cover-ups. John Kerry comes to mind. The press excoriated anyone who questioned his military record. Yet, despite the very public promises to release his full record, most notably to the late Tim Russert, he has never done so. He never will, because in that record one would find just what a liar John Kerry is. Apparently, he never actually made the trip to Cambodia that is seared in his memory, but he did take one to Paris to talk to the Viet Cong. So far, thanks to President Carter reinstating his medals, it has been a very successful cover up.

              http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/the_alchemy_of_democrat_coveru.html

        • Fifth Dimension

          And let me guess someguy, Bill, William, or whoever….you registered under a different *last name* also?

          The mental gymnastics some people will go through to shield Obama from any uncomfortable, not-already-screened question. *shakes head*

        • tzada

          If it is that simple, why not just show the long birth certificate? Why spend so much time and money to hide it? Why hide his school records?

          Why did they try and insert words to change the Constitution regarding citizenship? It certainly was not for the benefit of John McCain.

          • Terry

            I think this is the point. Just show the dern thing and all the other forms in question. We all know when 0 wants to destroy people, he goes digging for information and throws it all out there. I’m sure you recall Joe the Plumber. But when it comes to Himself it’s all very hush, hush. You’d think it would be more expedient to show the records, shut people up, and get on with his job. Information is power and there’s something there 0 doesn’t want known.

        • tek

          What divorce? I thought they were never married.

      • TeakWoodKite

        LJ, Minor point;

        when he is legally “Barack”

        ?”

        I have not seen ANY court papers stating that his name was legally changed to Barrak Obama. If his legal name is listed as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia, would US law respect the adoption by Mr. Soetoro of Barry Soetoro and require that his legal name reflect the adoptive name?

        Can a person using two different passports legally have two different names? IF his name was not legally changed to his current alias, does his his signature have the force of law?

        The overt effort by BO to conceal his past “paper trail” and lack of transparency by BO maybe motivated by a “simple” need to avoid some uncomfortable truths, or it may show that he is not who he says he is… a natural born US citizen, which is what the Constitution states as a requirement for the office of POTUS.
        Bottom-line is, what one believes the truth to be and what the truth is can not be confirmed in the absence of verifiable fact. I do not know if he does or he doesn’t meet the requirements to be POTUS.

        It would be a wise action to have BO put his money where his mouth is and resolve this issue.

        Either way, he occupies the office of POTUS, legally or not.

        • http://! stodgie

          yeah maybe the false part is the name. how would that translate into taking the oath of office i wonder.

      • Mandelay

        Good point. Why “Barry” when he’s legally “Barack?” And why “muslim” when he says he is not? And yes, I am certain that one’s religion is not relevant to being qualified for POTUS, and neither is telling the truth (e.g. JFK’s charade that he was in good health). But, as you ask in your posting: “Why the continued obfuscation?”
        And, why is it necessary for Obama’s supporters in this matter to label anyone who questions this as a “birther?” Remember the primary campaign, when those who strongly opposed Obama were being labeled “racist?” This “birther” label has become so common that, in order to make a reasonable argument about aspects of the certificate issue, Larry must include the 2nd paragraph in this posting, denying he’s not part of the “birther crowd.” How silly that serious, thoughtful people, need to preface their serious, thoughtful remarks in this manner. It’s a shame this labeling of those who question anything continues. Is this “them” vs. “us” mentality the only way the POTUS can hold his base together?
        Larry, I have a question. I’ve read that at that time in Hawaii (1961), residents of Hawaii were allowed to register the birth of their child as a “Hawaiian” birth, even if that child was born out of state. Do you know if that’s true? And if it is, does it have any relevance in this discussion?
        I don’t know what to believe anymore. But Obama’s careful concealing of his vital records, not just the long form original birth certificate, makes me wonder why I should believe anything he says about his birth. Why should I believe him?
        Why the continued obfuscation by the POTUS? He has no trouble combatting lawsuit after lawsuit with endless legal representation (and who’s paying for that?), when all he needed to do was show the original document and be done with it? He is feeding the fire and he has turned isolated grumblings from the 2008 primary season into a very distracting “cause.” It must really be important to him to conceal his records, and/or politically very useful to him to keep this public distraction going. Either way, it’s not the behavior of a leader who promotes transparency. Why create doubt when it’s so easy, in this case, to dispel it?

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    Of course 0zero is hiding something — and it is probably just his first name — and could be that his parents were NOT married and his last name would be his mother’s.

    Whatever — he’s spending a hell of a lot of money — WHERE is the money coming from? He has money to burn — WHERE is the money coming from?

    • jwrjr

      Why spend the money on somehing trivial? Or maybe it is not trivial?

      • Thinker

        Exactly!!!!

    • Scout

      In today’s world, “Barry Dunham” doesn’t create the same shine as “Barack Obama.”

    • someguy

      How much money has been spent? Any sources? Anything that comes from real evidence or do you just collect these nuggets from blogs and run with them. Doing a little searching the only thing I find on this issue is from blogs and world net daily. Hardly reliable sources and even they just say motions filed to dismiss lawsuits etc. Pretty normal behavior if one is responding to a lawsuit (which you must respond to). The controversy only exists in the minds of a small fringe group who just hate Obama – hardly worth entertaining such obviously hateful people. The burden of proof is on the accuser and this stuff doesn’t pass the smell test.

    • JRD

      George Soros

  • Touchet

    I don’t know much about this, but I remember reading something during the campaign about hawaii allowing people back then to fill out paperwork without any proof (meaning birth certificate from the hospital) or maybe it was a birth a home without a real physician. Any way, they could fill out paperwork and recieve this certificate of live birth basically without any real birth certificate.

    I have a feeling this is what is going on. I don’t think obama has a real birth certificate because there never was one.

    Think about the time back then. It was shamefull for women to have a baby out of wedlock much less to have an interacial relationship. Throw on top of that a non christain interactial relationship, you have the perfect recipe for a at home birth.

    I would wager that there is no birth certificate because Obama wasn’t born in a hospital. He was born at home to a mid wife.

    • bho boo

      Then why did he say he was born at Queens (first) then Kapiolani (later)? BTW neither hospital says he was born there.

    • tzada

      His mother by many accounts, didn’t give a care for what people thought.

      • Ellen D

        His mother was a banker in a small community. People of that period had trouble accepting women as pursuing careers and would use any excuse to deny them advancement. She didn’t have the luxury of not caring what the bank’s customers and the community thought.

        • lorac

          His grandmother was the banker in Hawaii. My understanding was that she was high up and made good money.

          His mom wasn’t a banker, but she did do some work with microloans abroad.

        • Ellen D

          Sorry – I misread you. I meant the Grandmother.

          This is what I think happened:

          1- He was born at home (I notice there is a place for other than hospital births). Natural childbirth and midwives were a hippie fashion then. Also, you didn’t have to fill out any inconvenient hospital admittance forms. That would explain why the two hospitals have no records.

          2- If the birth cert application was not submitted by the hospitals it may be out of sequence from the hospital ones.

          3- The grandmother – a well-known community figure – placed the birth announcement in the paper giving her daughter a respectable married background and giving the boy a name that would explain why he looked part black.

          I believe all this was done to cover up an unwed mother for the sake of the Grandmother’s reputation and career.

          Who knows what is on the original birth certificate?

          • lorac

            And of course, to be technical, the two newspaper birth announcements don’t say he was born IN Hawaii, they just say he was born and they are Hawaiian newspapers. They do, however, list the address of the parents, and people have checked and found that the Obamas never lived at that address. That suggests that it may have been a third party, such as the grandmother, who placed the birth announcement – and if he WAS born in Hawaii and the mom lived there, why not give the real address….?

            • Ellen D

              If the announcement gave an address did the Grandmother live there?

              • lorac

                No, it was someone unrelated to them, someone who had lived there then and still lives there, as I recall (it was an article in the last two years). Sorry I don’t remember more details, but I’ve seen references to it here and there, so next time I’ll try to remember to paste it over here.

  • TexasMirth

    I have no idea what any of this means EXCEPT that the more we learn about Barack Obama, the more confusing and obscure his past becomes. There are so many unanswered questions and strange details emerging, I feel like I am opening up a set of Chinese boxes, each one revealing another unopened box (set of questions).
    Does anyone really know who this guy is?

    • rose

      questions were raised during the primaries, but the word, racist, squashed all these questions. I saw this school doc.on line at this time but remember what happened, if anything was questioned,you were labeled and viciously attacked and it was by the same party I belonged to…democrat. look what happened to anyone questioning Obama and like most lies they tend to bite you in the end.

  • TexasMirth

    The more we learn, the more questions arise. Barack Obama’s past is like a set of Chinese boxes.

  • socalannie

    The colb on factcheck shows the number as being: 151 1961 010641. The one Larry displays says 151 61… Now I’m wondering why the Hawaii dept of health felt the need to alter the number by adding the “19″. Do these people do anything in a normal & straightforward manner? I think Larry is correct and that the info on his original would damage his street cred. That being said, I’m still open to the idea that O really had a different father. He really does not look like BHOsr, and has a rather astonishing likeness to Frank Marshall Davis (eg., the line down the middle of his upper lip, not a common feature, but both Barry & FMD have it–BHOsr did not). I wish we could get an anthropologist to weigh in on it. Anyway, whether any of this is relevant or not, its still an interesting story, and its funny to watch the msm get all worked up over it. Thanks for keeping us up to date Larry! :)

    • Jude

      Hilarious!

      You don’t think Obama looks like Obama Sr.? The resemblance between Obama and his father is obvious to me… I’ve never seen a father and son who looked more alike than these two.

      • Animal Control

        Whaaaaaaat!

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        really? not saying i think his dad isn’t his dad, but i really don’t think they look alike, at all.

        I think he looks like Malcom X, or Frank Marshall Davis. I think he and his dad have totally different features.

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
        http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.html

        • Animal Control

          Absolutely! just look at the photos

          • Jude

            There are certain pictures of Obama where he looks incredibly like Obama Sr.

            • Animal Control

              How about a link? Thanks

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          I just found this video (looking for pics of obama and frank marshall davis) and it seems so relevant in light of all the police debacle.

          Obama’s Influences – Frank Marshall Davis

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKYwX-GTTs

        • tzada

          He has a purple mouth like Arafat. Just sayin…

        • kgirl1028

          Obama looks just like his grandfather. I found a picture of Mr Duhnam when he was younger and Stanley Ann was a little girl and Barack could be his twin. Children don’t have to look like their parents.

          • kgirl1028

            BTW african americans have plenty of white in our family tries. Malcom X’s mother was a very fair skinned black womn, Malcom had red hair. My own mother is fairer skinned than Obama and she has two AA parents. There for Obama looks more like Frank Marshall davis and malcom x than he does his father because he is the product of a simular racial mix not because he’s more relatied to them than his dad.

      • okasha skatsi

        Hilarious indeed. BO has a very long, thin face. Papa’s is round as a bowling ball.

        • Scout

          Yes, he looks much more like Davis, imo. Same shape of head, as you said.

      • socalannie

        You’re a funny guy Jude! I’ve never seen a Father/son who look less alike. For anyone who hasn’t seen pix of Barry-FMD-BHOsr yet, click here & scroll down a bit. First you see FMD & Barry, then scroll down a tiny bit more & there is a pic of BHO sr.

        Note the following features: nasolabial folds, line down middle of upper lip, fleshiness below outer corners of lower lips, hairline, shape of head, undereye area. Which two men share these similarities? Not saying I know FMD is his dad, I do not, but the resemblance is marked.

        http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=37727

      • JRD

        it`s those big Dumb-0 ears that are a dead give away

    • http://! stodgie

      frank marshall davis also took some nude photos of a woman with a distinct resemblance to obama’s mother. i can’t say that it is her, but i did see them online.

  • TexasMirth

    This is the third time I’ve attempted to post my comments…don’t know why they won’t post. But briefly, there does seem to be a shroud of mystery around Barack Obama’s past. Why?

  • bho boo

    Minor v. Happersett clearly defines a natural born citizen (2 US citizen parents, born in US)
    AND that a natural born citizen is NOT a 14th amendment baby.

    So in no way shape or form is OBama Constitutionally eligible, it’s not a “belief” it’s from SCOTUS precedent.

    MvH says that NBC is jus soli/sanguinus (Both parents) AND that NBC is not defined in the constitution, but by the time of MvH the 14th amendment had BEEN IN the constitution for 6 years.

    Further, though Obama’s Kenyan citizenship ended on his 21st bday, his British citizenship did not. OBAMA IS STILL A BRITISH CITIZEN.

    He admitted being born British on fightthesmears and factcheck. That is admission against interest.

    The more someone says Obama’s a 14th amendment US citizen, the more they’re emphasizing he can never be a natural born citizen.

    Obama is SO ineligible it’s not funny.

    • bho boo

      http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
      http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
      By two constitutional lawyers who read the laws from USA, Britain, Kenya

    • FrenchNail

      Being born on the territory of the US does not make you a Natural Born citizen. It makes you a Native Born citizen.

      The criteria demanded by the Article II of the US constitution, from any American President is to be a Natural Born American Citizen. Any other US federal elective position (and most State elective positions) only requires the person holding the position to be an US citizen (Native, by filiation or naturalized).

      A Natural Born American Citizen is a person born on the territory of the US to TWO American citizen. (Blood and Soil).

      Wherever Obama was born, he was not born to TWO American citizens and therefore is NOT an US Natural Born citizen.

      Our Founding Fathers imposed the Natural Born criteria on POTUS (and only on him) because they wanted to eliminate any possibility of dual allegiance to another nation by the Commander in Chief.

      • bho boo

        Right. “Team Bot” wishes to keep the soap opera at the level of the paper birth certificate and “who’s Barack’s daddy?” and repeating incessantly that he’s a “US citizen”. This all distraction and confusion tactics.

        All that matters is that if we believe Obama’s words, representatives, books, articles, his mom was Ann and his dad was Obama Sr. If he lied about that, he’s guilty of massive defrauding of the American public, school finance fraud, Senate fraud, on and on…

        And, if Ann is Mom and Obama Sr. is Dad, Minor v. Happersett and his own admission against interest that he was born British proves is not a natural born citizen, the requirement for POTUS in Article II s.1 of the US Constitution.

        The more “Team Bot” rails on that he’s a US citizen, they confuse the US public since that’s not the requirement for POTUS eligibility. AND, further, Minor v. Happersett sets forth that ANY US Citizen by the 14th amendment can never be a natural born citizen. They are distinct terms. Because jus soli jus sanguinus (both parents) is the most stringent requirement for office, i.e. natural born, it is specifically described for the the office and set apart from regular US citizens even in Article II s.1.

        • bho boo

          that is even if he was born in Honolulu and Mom was Ann and Dad was Obama sr., he’s still not constitutionally eligible because his dad was Kenyan on a student visa, Barack admits he was born British (and he is STILL British though his Kenyan citizenship expired at age 21), this is by Minor v. Happersett and a plethora of other SCOTUS precedents and Congressional Record statements.

          So that’s why we say, “we belive you barack” Barack is saying he’s a US Citizen with British citizenship (if not Indonesian too), born in Hawaii, of Ann and Obama Sr….so he’s NOT constitutionally eligible.

        • lorac

          “The more “Team Bot” rails on that he’s a US citizen, they confuse the US public since that’s not the requirement for POTUS eligibility.”

          When I was younger, in Illinois, you had to take U.S. History and pass a test on the constitution to get your H.S. diploma. I’m starting to wonder if that’s true anymore. It blows me away that so many people don’t know that POTUS has specific requirements (and WHY we might have them)…

          • Chicago Joe

            From MaObama was born with multiple allegiances (at birth both U.S., if born in the U.S., and British, and also acquired Kenyan citizenship at age 2). Obama also obtained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia at age 6. The Founders would not have allowed such a person who was not born with sole allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States to be President and most importantly, Commander in Chief of the Military. We the People have too many “natural born Citizens” in our country, the largest group of citizens by far, from whom to pick to risk jeopardizing the best interests of the United States by allowing a person born with conflicting allegiances and loyalties to be President and Commander in Chief of our Military. There simply is no sound reason for risking America’s national security, welfare, and ultimate preservation by allowing a non-”natural born Citizen” to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. To permit it is a violation of Article II of our Constitution, the supreme law of our land.

            rio Apuzo’s site:

          • Chicago Joe

            From Mario Apuzo’s site Obama was born with multiple allegiances (at birth both U.S., if born in the U.S., and British, and also acquired Kenyan citizenship at age 2). Obama also obtained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia at age 6. The Founders would not have allowed such a person who was not born with sole allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States to be President and most importantly, Commander in Chief of the Military. We the People have too many “natural born Citizens” in our country, the largest group of citizens by far, from whom to pick to risk jeopardizing the best interests of the United States by allowing a person born with conflicting allegiances and loyalties to be President and Commander in Chief of our Military. There simply is no sound reason for risking America’s national security, welfare, and ultimate preservation by allowing a non-”natural born Citizen” to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. To permit it is a violation of Article II of our Constitution, the supreme law of our land.

            rio Apuzo’s site:

    • JozefAL

      WTF are you talking about? Minor v Happersett (1874) dealt with VOTING RIGHTS, not “natural born citizenship”. Mrs Virginia Minor went to court over her being denied a right to cast a ballot under the terms of the 14th Amendment.
      ALL of the references to citizenship in the case dealt SPECIFICALLY with proving that Mrs Minor was, indeed, a citizen–something that had not been affected by the adoption of the 14th Amendment. The Court (and the Chief Justice) did NOT extend the citizenship concern beyond Mrs Minor’s situation (especially as Mrs Minor’s parents were both citizens of the United States). The Court ruled that Mrs Minor was NOT being denied a “right” since Missouri had not extended suffrage to ANY woman in its past. (Pointedly, the CJ notes that from the adoption of the Constitution, NO newly-admitted state ever extended the right of suffrage to women, and, of the original 13 states, only New Jersey had even offered that privilege which was rescinded in the early years of the 19th century; therefore, women’s suffrage was not deemed a “privilege” that could be or had been abridged in Missouri.)
      Anyway, the Court ruled on another case (United States v Wong Kim Ark) about a quarter century later that dealt with citizenship. As the United States argued in its brief: “Because the said Wong Kim Ark, although born in the city and county of San Francisco, state of California, United States of America, is not, under the laws of the state of California and of the United States, a citizen thereof, the mother and father of the said Wong Kim Ark being Chinese persons, and subjects of the emperor of China, and the said Wong Kim Ark being also a Chinese person, and a subject of the emperor of China.”
      The Court noted (partly based on English common law, from which it held United States law to be based)

      It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

      and also

      In U. S. v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the circuit court, said: ‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural- born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.’ ‘We find no warrant for the opinion [169 U.S. 649, 663] that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.’

      This was crucial to the final decision which reads

      Upon the facts agreed in this case, the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth. No doubt he might himself, after coming of age, renounce this citizenship, and become a citizen of the country of his parents, or of any other country; for by our law, as solemnly declared by congress, ‘the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right of all people,’ and ‘any declaration, instruction, opinion, order or direction of any officer of the United States, which denies, restricts, impairs or questions the right of expatriation, is declared inconsistent wth the fundamental principles of the republic.’

      Unless there is a Supreme Court decision that has been rendered more recently than 1898 that specifically deals with the issue of birth and citizenship that overturns this specific case, Obama would qualify as a “natural-born citizen”. (In fact, if you take the law absolutely literally, John McCain was NOT a “natural-born citizen” by the strict definition. Per the State Dep’t's own guidelines:
      7 FAM 1111.3 c. Historically, Congress, through statutes, granted U.S. nationality, but not citizenship,
      to persons born or inhabiting territory acquired by the United States through conquest or
      treaty. At one time or other natives and certain other residents of Puerto Rico, the U.S.
      Virgin Islands, the Philippines, Guam, and the Panama Canal Zone were U.S. non-citizen
      nationals.
      and
      7 FAM 1116.1-4 c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S.
      diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the
      14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the
      jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
      Interestingly enough, US v Wong Kim Ark is brought up in the State Dep’t guidelines and is followed by this
      7 FAM 1116.2-1 (1) Acquisition of U.S. citizenship generally is not affected by the fact that the parents
      may be in the United States temporarily or illegally; and that
      (2) A child born in an immigration detention center physically located in the United
      States is considered to have been born in the United States and be subject to its
      jurisdiction. This is so even if the child’s parents have not been legally admitted to the
      United States and, for immigration purposes, may be viewed as not being in the United
      States.

      Again, you’re using some outdated (and highly irrelevant) law to make a very flimsy case. But, all of these questions could have been laid to rest last year if Obama had simply produced his actual birth certificate or a certified copy of that document.

      • bho boo

        Here’s a constitutional lawyer’s analysis of Minor v Happersett.

        Not only does it blatantly describe what is a natural born citizen, it says that any citizen described by the 14th amendment (as in one US citizen parent) is NOT a natural born citizen.

        http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/hawaii-health-departments-fukino-now-constitutional-lawyer/

        Don’t use Wong Kim Ark because he says that both children are citizens–but only the child of the citizen is natural born – for this is what he is comparing the other one to. So the holding indicates Wong Kim Ark was as much a citizen as any other citizen despite not being natural-born.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Yeah, the Frank Marshall Davis connect is more plausible than the Kenyan birth. But, it doesn’t explain the airport photo with Barack Sr. LOL!

    • bho boo

      All interesting drama and conjecture, but again, the fact that he was born British by his own admission and that Obama Sr was a Kenyan makes him ineligible by Minor v. Happersett.

      We cannot determine Obama’s parentage, so we must go by what he said and wrote. His mom was Ann, Dad was Obama Sr., born in Honolulu: With all that data (and SCOTUS precedent), he is never going to be a natural born citizen, and he’s still a British citizen. And he is likely also an Indonesian citizen to boot.

    • socalannie

      Unless she kept up the charade for Barry that BHOsr was his dad. I have a half-hawaiian relative (born in Hawaii a couple of years after Barry) whose mother kept him in the dark about who his true father was for over 20 years. She never told him. He found out from a drunk relative when he was in his 30′s. (He was shattered, by the way.) Its funny, too, that the only pic of Barry & BHOsr is at the airport, when he was leaving. Who knows if he spent any time with him.

      • bho boo

        This escapade into “who sired Barack” or even who his mother was, is why the Republicans are just saying “we believed Barack”, and upon those data he’s constitutionally ineligible, let alone if he just concocted a totally fictional biohistory (that would constitute massive defrauding of the American public and crimes).

        • socalannie

          Yes, yes, I read that sentiment already today (I think on Leo’s website, which is very interesting) and I understand the point you are making; still, why is he hiding his bc? It stands to reason there must be something he’s trying to hide. Barry’s already shoved his dual citizenship into everyone’s faces and gotten away with it. He apparently thinks the SC will go along with him, which is what they are doing so far. I read that last post of Leo’s that you linked, & I agree with him, and you, but the nation (citizens, congress, Supremes) have already let him get away with it. I was upset over this issue for months last year, bho boo, & I can’t get emotional over it anymore, although I still am interested. I hope that at some time justice & truth will out, and you & Leo & td and everyone else who has fought this fight will be vindicated.

          • ConfusedAmerican

            Was listening to a radio show on a road trip the other day. The commentator noted that what court would dare unseat a President even over an eligibility issue, even if it is true.

            Since I dont listen to much talk radio, I cant remember his name. It was a Hispanic name and boy was he mad at Dobbs, Berg and anyone else talking about the BC issue.

            • elise

              What court would dare NOT unseat him if ineligibility can be confirmed? Anyone from any country could conceivably challenge Article 11 of the Constitution based on precedent.

              • tzada

                Right now I can see Israel could and would and should weigh in if that is the case.

                • bho boo

                  Any treaty, debt, understanding, appointment, legislation, bill…ANYTHING a usurper does is illegitimate and can be challenged and defied domestically and internationally.

                  And the Constitution is merely a contract binding nation states together, with an illegal usurper at the helm, the Constitution is null and void and any state can secede at will. There’s no legal binding in play. Note that now 38 states have opted for state sovereignty legislation emphasizing their 10th amendment rights, which is not secession but an elbow in the side of the feds that they will stand up if they feel the need.

                  TX and MT have communicated their independence most strongly. If Obama forces Obamacare (The Reaper is Cheaper T-4 Eugenics/Euthanasia kill 2 old white people for one illegal new vote) TX has said it will refuse it. Well, now that would be an interesting shot over the bow.

                  • socalannie

                    That would be very interesting!

                  • Scout

                    Nebraska is getting into this too, based on the feds closing active successful car dealerships.

      • Jude

        Wikipedia says this:

        He visited his son only once, in 1971, when Barack was 10 years old.[17

      • TeakWoodKite

        the only pic Barry & BHOsr is at the airport

        That has an odd flavor to it.

    • Tuppence411

      Airport photo with Barack Sr- the answer to the mystery lies with that visit. My working theory is that Barack Senior had to come back to HI to go into Probate Court to fix the clusterfu@k that Stanley Ann made of Barky’s birth certificate when she married, agreed to an adoption, then divorced Soretoes……..

  • kat in your hat

    I see there really *is* a big difference between the Certification of Live Birth and Certificate of Live Birth. A lot of information missing.

    My gawd, why is there so much info MISSING. Everything about this man: state senate records, on and on.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      yep. but who cares? he’s such an “intelligent,” “elegant” black male; that’s all i look for in a president. not.

  • Fifth Dimension

    Question: The short form certification of live birth that Obama presented does show “race of parents”, right? And the birth certificate example, from one day after Aug 4, 1961, does *not* specifically list the race of the child?

    The remaining lack of information (attending physician, hospital name, etc) that can be found in an original birth certificate is correct I believe, but just thought I’d mention this, for the sake of being accurate and diligence.

    Unless I’m overlooking something? Thanks.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      From what I can find in 1961 African was not a choice of race on birth certificates.

      • socalannie

        Last year, when this issue was going full steam, I looked up race designations for the United States, I think, on the census webpage. It listed all the race terms that were to be used for all of the sixties: Negro, White, Caucasian, American Indian, Japanese, Eskimo etc. They didn’t start using AA or black until the 70′s or 80′s and there is no listing of the US using the word “African” to designate race. God only knows where Hawaii got that one.

        • GORDO

          This is how classifications were made in 1961:

          “Vital Statistics of the United States — Volume I — Nativity”

          Page 231 contains the requirements for “Race and color.”

          “The category “white” includes, in addition to persons
          reported as “white,” those reported as Mexican or Puerto
          Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with
          any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed
          parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite
          parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the
          father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and
          any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian.
          In most tables a less detailed classification of “white” and
          “nonwhite” is used.”

          Download (7.5MB pdf), 246 page document

          http://tinyurl.com/lp7gtj

          • GORDO

            Also:

            “Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

            • bho boo

              The photoshop bot who forged the COLB couldn’t bring himself to type “Negro” and in being PC assigned Obama’s race as African. That’s like saying your race is American.

  • Fifth Dimension

    Question: The short form certification of live birth that Obama presented does show “race of parents”, right? And the birth certificate example, from one day after Aug 4, 1961, does *not* specifically list the race of the child?

    Of course, the remaining lack of information (attending physician, hospital name, etc) which is usually found in an original birth certificate is indeed missing from the short form COLB, as was stated in the article; but just thought I’d mention it, for the sake of being accurate and diligence.

    Unless I’m overlooking something…??

    • socalannie

      The birth cert shown above (Susans b Aug 5) shows both her parents race as caucasian.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Here is an article that will make you think In 1961 it looks like there were 4 ways to get an “original birth certificate” in Hawaii.

    “In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I’ll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.”http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

    On another forum the certificate number of the Twins birt certificat and Obama’s was brought up.
    If the twins were born after and their birth was registered after Obama’s then why is the Twin’s BC # higher??

    Twins BC #s are 151 61 10637 and 151 61 10638
    http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/assets/gif/M1139416728.GIF

    Obama’s BC # is 151 1961 010641 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37751310@N08/3466332023/

    • Citizen?

      Good questions on the numbers on the birth certificate.
      The article on the different types of birth certificates is mind boogling.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

      There is also the birth certificate of Obama’s twin brother:

      http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/Mactographer/birth_certificate_2-1.jpg

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        (see how easy photoshop is?)

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      isn’t obama’s number higher?

      10637 + 10638, 10641

      He was born the day before, but he has a higher number… Or am I missing something?

      • ConfusedAmerican

        Thats what I found strange. Obama was apparently born prior to and registered prior to the twins the news is talking about.

        Yet Obama’s number is higher.

        WHY

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          when did the twins file, 8/11? It is hard to read. He did on the 8th. Yep, that is weird.

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  • Fifth Dimension

    Hmm, I don’t see where on the long form birth certificate mentions the race of the child?

    • socalannie

      My dear, its in the middle, on the right hand side. In the part about the parents of the child. One box says caucasian, the one beneath says Private Practice & the box beneath that says caucasian. Look again, you’ll see it! :)

      • Fifth Dimension

        Thanks annie. But aren’t those boxes referring to the parents? In this instance, the example 1961 birth certificates are showing the race of the parents. Both of the boxes that say caucasian are *for the parents* of the child in the example birth certificate child

        Where does it say the race of the child?

        Again, I still think Obama should have just released the original birth certificate (if he has nothing to hide) from the gate, instead of this ridiculous simulacrum — but nevertheless, just trying to be accurate.

        • socalannie

          I just looked at it again using a different photo program. I cleaned it up a bit so I could read it. I definitely could not see a box for Race of Child. Maybe they didn’t have one, since the race would be perceived to be that of the parents. Anyway, good point Fifth!

    • socalannie

      Oops, I just noticed you said race of child! I thought you’d meant parents. I popped it into photoshop & enlarged it & I didn’t see the race of child either.

      • Fifth Dimension

        Sorry, noticed your comment after I had posted. Thanks for checking. Yeah I don’t think it says race of child either.

        The other omissions cited in the article though seem correct.

  • typical.white.person

    Barry could have been born in a manger on the White House lawn but he still would not be qualified to be president of the United States.

    Barry’s father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was a British citizen from Kenya. He was not a United States citizen. Therefore, Barry Soetoro was not a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution.

    • trixta

      Also, wouldn’t any adoption in Indonesia override any “natural” status in the US?

  • felizarte

    If Obama does not show his original birth certificate in the next couple of years, it is almost certain he won’t be running for a second term. This issue will not go away–only gets bigger.

    • felizarte

      especially if, as Larry stated:

      What is Barack hiding?

      As I pointed out the other day one fact Barack did not want in front of the public was his adoption by the Indonesian muslim, Lolo Soetoro. This does not disqualify him from being President.

      His name was originally recorded as BARRY not Barack.

      Here’s another kicker. His race was listed as “white.” Tough to be an authentic black man when your birth certificate states you are white.

      and the unemployment rate continues to be high.

      • Jude

        If no one has seen the original, how do we know his race was listed as “white”?

  • maniaco

    Larry ~

    You wrote:
    “Here’s another kicker. His race was listed as “white.””

    Where does it say that, and on which form? Are you referring to the School Registration form? This record first came to light last year.

    I see
    3. Bangaa (Citizenship/Nationality): Indonesian
    4. Agama (Religion): Islam
    and so on,
    but I don’t see Ras (Race)

    I’m surprised if no one else has asked this question of you.

    Thanks . . .

  • steve1

    Barry Soetoro, the fraud! Would also like to see some light shed upon the Larry Sinclair story, I hear there is a book coming out regarding that story?

    • rose

      it is on sale now,i beleive online

  • http://ptet.blogspot.com ptet

    Snopes has details of Obama’s birth in Hawaii including eye-witness accounts:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

    Minor v Happersat is irrelevant to this case:
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/minor-v-happersett-88-u-s-162-1874/

    The Republican Governor of Hawaii says that Obama was born there. The question of his eligability for president has survived the worst that Hillary Clinton & John McCain’s teams could throw at it.

    I guess the Obama team decided long ago that if they start pandering to requests for “information” they’ll never stop. Even a minor inconsistency with the original birth certificate would just add fuel to the fire of the conspiracy theorists. Even if some of the details on the original are blank or wrongly filled in at the time, that would be enough. So the idea that Obama could *ever* make this “go away” seem nonsensical.

    • Masha

      So I guess it makes more sense to have a president who has no paper trail.

      At this point in time we don’t have his
      1- Kindergarten records,
      2- Punahou school records,
      3- Occidental College records,
      4- Columbia University records,
      5- Columbia thesis,
      6- Harvard Law School records,
      7- Harvard Law Review articles,
      8- scholarly articles from the University of Chicago,
      9- passport,
      10- medical records,
      11- files from his years as an Illinois state senator,
      12- Illinois State Bar Association records,
      13-any baptism records,
      14-his adoption records, and
      15-his long form birth certificate.

      Even the school’s copy of his mother’s high school yearbook was available until it has been “recently misplaced”
      See The Seattle Times article
      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004164387_brodeur05m.html

      Come on… give me a break. Obama is a mirage.

      • Patrick Henry

        Yep…The Immaculate Deception”..

        Thats a pretty Damning List you have there Masha..

        How do we even know that “The Candidate” Obama who showed up in Chicago is really the same Barack Obama ..His Moms Dead, His Dads dead, His Grammy diudnt talk to the media…Who Vouched for Him…All He has a a “Certificate” that doesnt even prove he is a USA Citizen..

        His Parents could have been Russian citizens for all we Know..

        Last I heard they were in Hawaii taking RUSSIAN Class’s together and Obama was being mentored by a KNOWN Communist..there and Raised by a MUSLIM in Indonesia..

        But Hey America..Don’t ask Questions..David Axelrod and Billy Bomber Ayers Trusts Barack..so we should too..

        Don’t ask Questions..Take your pills…

        Soon the GREATEST GENERATION will be gone..

        Just like Michael Jackson….

        You are getting Tired..Very Tired..

        BARACK a Bye…Barack a Bye…

        ..

        • tzada

          Both Davis and Dunham lived in Kansas and then Hawaii

          0 mentor Frank Marshall Davis was an intimate friend of a Richard Wright from Chicago.

          Both Davis and Wright were Communists, both were bi sexual.

          Davis admittedly was a pedophile.

          0 went to Chicago.

          0′s pastor for 20 years was a Rev Wright.

          The Illinois Communist party wrote a oped on how Wright had been crucified over his remarks at his church.

          Are there any dots to connect? You tell me.

          Anyone read Obama’s poems? The second one made me quite ill. Look them up.

          • bho boo

            Snopes is a repeat offender Obama propaganda lie-promotion site.

            Snopes is dead wrong about Minor v. Happersett.

            The nineteenth amendment conferred suffrage regardless of sex and thus had the effect of overturning the core holding regarding woman’s suffrage in Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. (88 U.S.) 162 (1875), which had held that denial of the ballot to women did not violate the fourteenth amendment’s privileges or immunities clause.

            This is not the same as another Court coming in and saying the Court in Minor got it wrong. The Constitution was Constitutionally changed via the Amendment process and in so changing the law made the holding in Minor as to woman’s rights to vote irrelevant. I’m seeing some pretty desperate attempts to discredit Minor though. This is a clever one, but is easily debunked.
            http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/the-relevant-obama-admission-2/

            • JozefAL

              Bullshit again. I do love the way you deny one site as a “propagation lie-promotion site” yet you rely on another site that is even MORE biased for your crap.
              Go fucking read the text of Minor. There is NOTHING to the case that relies upon “natural-born citizenship” for its defense. Mrs Minor WAS a “natural-born citizen” (and, as far as I could tell, not even the State of Missouri nor Mr Happersett argued against her being a citizen of both the State of Missouri and the United States of America). The case did NOT define “natural-born citizen” in terms of eligibility for the Presidency (even noting that the phrase is NOT defined in the Constitution) but NOT having anything to do with the “privileges” conferred upon citizens in the 14th Amendment.
              Again, Mrs Minor used the 14th as her basis for arguing that she had a right to vote. The Amendment itself does NOT confer that right on the basis of gender–it only states that neither race nor nationality can be used to deny the right to vote (had Mrs Minor been a Black woman, the Court would still have likely ruled against her but the case would’ve been much more interesting).
              And, contrary to your repeated efforts to do so, you haven’t “debunked” the irrelevancy of Minor (easily or otherwise). You just keep hiding behind arguments that insist on the case’s relevance. (It’s little different from the standard parental rebuttal, “Cause I said so”.)

              • bho boo

                The language of MvH is accepted precedent. Deal with it.
                Jus soli/sanguinus both parents =NBC
                Anything 14th does not = NBC

              • bho boo

                MvH defines NBC, AND says NBC is not defined anywhere in the Constitution WHEREAS the 14th HAD BEEN in the Constitution for 6 years prior.
                THEREFORE NBC is nowhere in the 14th; Obama’s single US parent makes him a 14th baby, not a 2-parent jus soli jus sanguinus NBC baby.
                THEREFORE Obama can never be NBC.

                I note you’re trying to differentiate NBC (generic) versus NBC for the purposes of eligibility for presidency? LOL ridiculous, they’re the same thing.

    • tzada

      Snopes and FactCheck and Move On.org I think are George Soros creations. His son is on the board of directors for U Tube. Think his name is Steve.

      George Soros appears to be an Obama backer, correct me if these things are not correct.

      • bho boo

        Right.
        But on factcheck and fightthesmears Obama makes an admission against interest that he was born British. Unless he revoked it, he is still British (though his Kenyan citizenship expired at age 21, Kenya was a colony of great Britain until 1963).

        Snopes is trying to mislead about Minor v. Happersett being “overturned”
        The nineteenth amendment conferred suffrage regardless of sex and thus had the effect of overturning the core holding regarding woman’s suffrage in Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. (88 U.S.) 162 (1875), which had held that denial of the ballot to women did not violate the fourteenth amendment’s privileges or immunities clause.

        This is not the same as another Court coming in and saying the Court in Minor got it wrong. The Constitution was Constitutionally changed via the Amendment process and in so changing the law made the holding in Minor as to woman’s rights to vote irrelevant.

        “Team Bot” is also trying to use Wong Kim Ark as precedent that children of aliens are natural born citizens, but that’s not what WKA says. WKA says that children of aliens (in the case of Ark 2 permanent domiciled Chinese) are “just as much CITIZENS” as are the children of natural born citizens…it certainly does NOT say that children of aliens are natural born citizens.

        They have these memes to counter the real crux of the issue, the SCOTUS and Congressional Record facts which deem Barack not constitutionally eligible to be POTUS…and they work feverishly to maintain the BC drama (the fake eBay one, the fake UK one on Daily Kos).

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Then why did McCain need to show his Long Form BC?

      Then why were all other candidates harped on the Obama and his people for medical records? Obama only produced a one page letter from his doctor.

    • lorac

      “Snopes has details of Obama’s birth in Hawaii including eye-witness accounts”

      I went to the website you listed – I’m not a lawyer, but what you’re referring to would be better termed hearsay, rather than eye-witness. It’s that same old story of someone saying they had dinner with someone who said someone named Stanley had a kid.

  • Clara

    When recording a birth into a birth log (maintained and completed by hospital labor and delivery units), the race of the mother is noted. The infant is given the last name of the mother. In neither instance is the race of the father or the name of the father, if different from the mother, used to identify the newborn. This may be changed later by the parents but it is not the initial recording.

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/08/2nd-thread-michael-jackson-freak-show-rip/#more-27552 mdrockets

    I think it’s brilliant to ignore this and just let the Republicans become more and more involved with a group that seems comprised of the fringiest of the fringe on the right. Most Republican officials believe he was born in Hawaii but don’t dare offend the fringe, for they are the Republican Party base.

    People like this will never be satisfied with any proof, so let them keep stirring it up and pulling in the fearful Republicans. Brilliant!

  • Masha

    It’s simple. There’s no birth certificate because Obama was born in a manger in Bethlehem and the midwife was an angel. Until he brings out the real certificate, all conjectures are possible, including mine.

  • Elliott

    Now the story is getting down to the nitty gritty. The birth record is not a fraud but rather edited. The second birth record shown above is a facsimile of the actual record signed and submitted by the attending physician to the custodian of birth records, the dept of health, for the state of Hawaii. The first record is a record of birth but an abstracted one in which certain information is provided and other information is left out unless someone wants to claim that the form filled out for every birth in 1961 was not completed for President Obama.

    Claims have been that the actual documents submitted to the state were destroyed. This is a very strange claim as public records to my knowledge are never destroyed such as birth, marriage, divorce, property, probate as they have historical value. The second birth certificate is a copy from a micro reduction of a negative image of the actual record.

    In most jurisdictions the actual record is placed in large bound volumes and are not pulled to make a copy record but rather a microfiche or now digital record is used for convenience and speed. I believe the state of Hawaii has now claimed that actual hard copy birth records have not been destroyed as some have tried to claim. Note: I was the custodian of state district court records early in my career and I am familiar with most state records as they are very frequently required in court cases.

    • Elliott

      There is also the possibility that the birth record was closed by a court order. Why, when, and what info closed I cannot speculate.

      • shadow

        Someone posted earlier that if you are legally adopted, your original birth certificate is sealed.

        • Elliott

          This is true in closed adoptions where the parental rights are terminated, but many adoptions are open. That is the child and adoptive parents know and are recognizing the birth parents. Then there are adoptions by stepparents and grandparents and they usually are not closed especially if it is for an older child who is aware of or knows their birth parent rather than an infant. The judge issuing the adoption order makes that determination usually based upon the age and circumstances of the child and sometimes does not even change the child’s name. Then you have more court orders or amendments on the birth certificate when adoptions are nullified. In most states nullification of an adoption is a big deal and not that easy to do as kids are not supposed to be treated like a used car and rotated around new spouses.

        • lorac

          I think a president could get her or his own unsealed. IF there was a desire…

    • bho boo

      No matter, he still admits he was born British and by law he is still British, his father had a Kenyan student visa. He’s not eligible. Minor v. Happersett

  • http://www.reddit.com For Christ Sake

    STOP

    You are all idiots. You are making my party look crazy.

    You all sound like the people who think 9/11 happened because Cheney and Bush ordered it. So that Haliburton could war-profiteer, and the Bush oil fields would run forver.

    You all sound like the people who think America never landed on the moon.

    Stop it. Grow up. You’re all wasting your time talking about this. He was born in America. All of this would have come out through Fox News … not some crazy right-wing idiots posting comments on a blog.

    • tzada

      Oh? and whose party are you? The Communist? Fascist? Socialist? You are what we call a “concerned” troll.

      You must think everyone is a Republican who doubts 0. Wrong! AOL who is in fawning lockstep with you and 0 asked and got answered that on their poll. The overwhelming numbers said NO it was not Republican “birthers” at fault for bringing up this question.

      Actually most of the people on this site are or were Democrats. I used to be. Now must of us are Patriots. Which is a dirty word in Washington now. It is shameful that loving our country and being loyal and want to protect freedom can come to this.

    • http://! stodgie

      stop yourself. if you feel so strongly please contact lou dobbs. he has more common sense and beter sources than you.

  • Sean

    Just brilliant… Now Obama is white… Is there a reason that anyone should give a crap as this “story” gets less and less intrigueing? I voted for Obama’s policies and never for what race I figured him as. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, I will still not care about the discussion.

    • shadow

      Do you still support him?

    • avwrobel

      No Doofus. You voted for Democratic party policies, not ‘Obama’s’ policies. If you don’t care about the Constitution, just whatever feels good at the moment, then you should abandon any pretense at political reasoning. The Constitution was written under intense debate over an extended period of time by the nation’s greatest minds without prejudice to create the greatest government in human history. They understood their burden, and every word matters. They knew what they were doing when they required that POTUS be a natural born citizen. Obambi and his Democratic apologists in the party leadership are doing a monstrous disservice by ignoring this issue, and I believe they are. Unfortunately, its giving the Repubs an unjustified opportunity for a political comeback. the sooner Obambi gets out of office the better. Then Biden/Clinton can steer the country to a better future.

  • Sean

    How would his race being listed as white make him a “fraud?” Regardless, he sure does look black. And his father was black. What’s the big deal?

    • tzada

      He looks Arab. Why do you think the Muslim world calls him “the Face”?

  • Patrick Henry

    WHY..Larry..

    Because He is PRESIDENT of the United States and He has Proven He is Sneaky and a Manipulator and Can’t be HONEST or Trusted..either by The People of the United States or by the world..

    By HIDING his birth Certificate..One constantly has to wonder what else he is hiding…Just becuase “THE ONE”..is born in the United States …doesnt make him a Nice man..an Honest Man..or a Good man..

    Right now…He sounds like a CON Man to me…

  • Patrick Henry

    My Birth Certificate States that BOTH My Parents were Born in the United States and where they were Born..

    There is nothing on Barack Obams Certificate of Live Birth that shows him to be a CITIZEN of the united States or that his parents were Citizens…This Certificate is NOT Proof of Citizenship to me..Its a Certificate of live Birth..Nothing more..

    President Obamas conduct over this matter is SHAMEFUL..and Deceiving..

    What are you Hiding Barack… ??

    Just the way you are Covering this Up Proves that no one in the World should TRUST you..Barack..

    • Patrick Henry

      I think The United States House Committee on the Judiciary ..as the PEOPLES Represenatives ..Now owe it to the American People to Conduct a Full and Complete Investigation into Barack Obamas Citizenship and Qualifications to Be President of the United States..

      The Committee has the AUTHORITY and DUTY to Condct these investigations..

      This should be done…with Subpoena Power and use of the FBI and other Federal Agencies..just like the 80 million dollar investigations of Bill and Hillary Clinton ..over White Water and Misconduct Allegations..

      This should be done with full Disclosure..and because the president does not appear to Be Trutful or Co_-perative with PUBLIC DEMAND to produce a FULL FORM Birth Certificate…and to determine if barack Obama has committed any Perjury either on Documents or Public testimonY..

      Also Barack Barry Sorento Obama seems to be Confused..and Emotionally Disturbed by events during his dysfunctional Child hood..which may be effecting His Competence to Be President of the United States..and cause Conflicts with his Decision Making Process during times of Crisis that involve the Welfare of the American People…

      There are Compeling Arguments that barack Obama has hidden much of the Truth about His Childhood and development and possible Subversive Influences on His Thinking and Attitudes that can Interfere with Him being able to Rationally Perform the Dutys expected of him as President of the United States…on American..causing him to be a potential Threat to National security…

      He has to be a really Confused man, with so many Unusual influences in His Life..

  • I’m a Linda too

    Yes, great post LJ, thank you. But no surprise from the media, they’ve been covering for Obama from the beginning, instead of reporting truth and facts, which is also how we ended up here, them not doing their job, but complicit in the cover up.

    • Patrick Henry

      Linda is Right..

      Much of the Media is so Biased that they STINK Like Dead Fish..and thier COLOR is showing..all I
      can see is RED HERRINGS..Bait…Bait…Bait..

      When I want HONEST Commentary and Opinions..I only go to THREE Sources.for TRUTH…

      LARRY JOHNSON…No Quarter ..Oh wait he was CIA..

      LOU DOBBS..oh wait…They want Lou Dobbs Fired..

      GLENN BECK…Oh Wait…they say he’s a Lunatic..

      Oh…wait..Thats coming from Communist Network News.

      Oh..Wait…Thats the NEW LEFT now..

      Its OK to be a blatant Communist/Markist Propogandist Now…Just don’t tell anyone thats what you are..You hide behind Smoke screens..

      Call yourself something “SLICK”..This is my “FRONT” and you don’t see the back..

      At least Barack sought out Marxists Professors..Friends..associates ..Ddomestic terrorists..Foreign Agents..and did everything he could to Show the American People what he really is.. Campaign Posters and all..Che comes to Mind.

      He was a ..

      “God Damn the U.S. KKK of A” Candidate…
      Community organizer..
      and
      He brought Peace and Prosperity to Chicago..

      And I’m just an Old fashioned..Patriot who still loves to salute the Flag…. and have hated Communists since I Was old enough to Read about Communist Purges..and see Videos of the Russian and Chinese Revolutionary Thugs shooting people in the Back of the Head..

      oh, wait, I’m doing another Glenn Beck..

      The Cold war and J. Edgar Hoover are DEAD.. and America is “Progressive” Now..

      Illegal Aliens and All..

      Larry Johnson, Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck..

      MY AMERICAN HERO’S..

      • Patrick Henry

        My Wife Just Called them..

        THE THREE WISE MEN…

        • oowawa

          Nah–the “Three Wise Men” went a very long ways to bow down at the feet of Thee One, The Saviour of the World–that would be Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and Ted Kennedy.

          • Patrick Henry

            Nope Oowawa..

            I got word..These were the “Three Stoodges”..

            Tingle…..Tubby…and Teddy..

            • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

              I shall never be able to look at those three fools again without those Stooge names tattooed across their pointy heads!

              LOL!!!

      • viking

        AMEN!

  • mountainaires

    I think you’ve nailed it, Larry. The political impact of the adoption by Lolo Soetoro, Muslim from Indonesia, is the key; I’m glad you’re continuing to highlight it.

    Obama is deceiving the American public on many things, including this birth issue. People, unfortunately, deny and dismiss what they don’t want to know–Rezko and the Chicago Mansion deal was an early example of Obama’s deceptive nature, and yet, people ignored it.

    Obama is a compulsive liar. He’s incredibly deceptive, a hallmark trait in a narcissist:

    Just a few weeks ago, Obama outlined cuts to Medicare that add up to over $313 billion in reductions. But, he told the AARP townhall audience that “no one’s talking about reducing Medicare.”

    Lies, Just Lies:

    At a meeting on July 7 at the White House between drug company executives, Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, and Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT), the industry, according to The New York Times, was promised that the final legislative package would not allow the reimportation of cheaper medicines from Canada or other countries even if they meet our drug safety standards.

    As a presidential candidate, President Barack Obama endorsed re-importation, an idea the industry opposes. White House officials have told the industry if the larger health care bill passes, the cost savings will be so great that reimportation will be unnecessary, according to Billy Tauzin, president of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124700977149808565.html

  • creeper

    Dammit, John McCain ponied up his long-form birth certificate early in the campaign. In my mind, that gave him the right to run for president.

    Obama has never provided the information McCain did. In my mind, that makes him a pretender.

    Are the rules not the same for Democrats as they are for Republicans?

    This is outrageous.

  • Elliott

    This is turning into a puzzle or a mystery novel or something. I believe that President Obama is eligible to be President. But the birth records are weird. His certification of birth is an abstract of certain information from his birth certificate to prove his eligibility for office but it is in abstract form rather than a facsimile (photographic image of the original document) printed on official document security paper which is used almost exclusively now to prevent counterfeiting. We keep referring to information that is on example 2 in this post that is not on the example 1. But there is the possibility of information on the birth certificate original of example 1 that is not on example 2 such as amendments, court orders, affadavits etc. Example 2 is a reverse negative copy where now they would use positve copy on the official paper for this birth certificate for a long copy.

    • lorac

      What makes me suspicious is that all we’ve “seen” are images on a computer – which we all know can be faked. The official from Hawaii has never addressed whether or not the computer images are legitimate. And of course, the form available on the internet (the short form) excludes the very information which could be used to verify the form itself (hospital name, doctor name, etc).

      And BO is so narcissistic, it’s unbelievable that he wouldn’t want the long form out in public, so that every detail could be cherished.

  • tzada

    Numerous official government documents records Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro. School registries shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro. During his Occidental College days he is registered as Barry Soetoro. An entry in the journal of the California assembly in reference to grants given to foreign exchange students (this official government document lists Obama as a foreigner not a US citizen. A US citizen wouldn’t qualify for foreign exchange student funding) states Obama as Barry Soetoro from Indonesia. The first name of a child is always the same from birth. If throughout his childhood Obama went by the first name of Barry then legally his birth name would have to be Barry. In order to register any child for school an official birth certificate must be presented. To receive a government grant proof of citizenship and birth must also be submitted. All of the evidence is stating that Barack Obama’s legal first name is Barry not Barrack. There seems to be no record of Obama legally changing his first name from Barry to Barack.
    There is a biography of Barry Soetoro ’s Occidental College days. It states that when Barry Soetoro was 18-19 he attended school as BARRY SOETORO. And it wasn’t until he met a girl by the name of REGINA who was the first to start calling him Barack.
    While being sworn as an attorney in the State of Illinois, Mr Obama had to provide his personal information under oath. He was asked, if he had any other names, he responded none. In reality, he used the name Barry Soetoro. There was an entry in the journal of the California assembly in reference to grants given to foreign exchange students, one Soetoro from Indonesia. Mr. Soetoro/Obama clearly defrauded the State Bar of Illinois and perjured himself while concealing his identity. Anybody else would’ve been disbarred for this and the matter would’ve been forwarded to the district attorney for prosecution for perjury and fraud, however nothing was done to Mr. Obama. More importantly, why did he conceal his identity?

    http://nbgazette.com

    /index.php?entry=entry090705-120445

    • TeakWoodKite

      tzada, Given that, ( respectfully) ,Mr. Johnson “believes” BO is a natural born US citizen and meets the constitutional requirements to be POTUS, I suspect his use of the pejorative term “birthers”, is being used to diminish the fact that BO has used his adoptive legal name Barry Soetoro to game the system.

      Mr. Johnson made the point recently, that he has a friend who is dual Irish and American. Perhaps there is nothing to prevent this person from taking full advantage, as a citizen of both countries, of what benefits are offered iin either country, but the “simple” fact is the qualifications for POTUS DO NOT allow for a person to have dual citizenship.

      I have not seen nor heard anyone prove that he ever renounced his Indonesian citizenship, except for the fact that according to Indonesian law , a citizen is required to “check in” within five years to maintain citizenship. After that legal / administrative proceedings are required.

      If it is demonstrable that Barry Soetoro used his Indonesian passport / papers to game the system for educational finances, it would also follow that he, by his own actions, declared he was a citizen of a second country.
      It does not matter where he was born if this is the case.

      Of course, I could be wrong and have been wrong before, but what little facts are verified regarding Bo’s status do NOT point in a direction that is in his favor.

    • alibe

      Maybe this is why 0bama resigned from the bar. Didn’t want to risk disbarment from lying on his application.

  • stand up and fight

    Forget about the stupid b.c. His father was never a citizen of this country.That makes him ineligible.Replace Obamas father’s with Osama Bin Ladin and now you know why Obama is ineligible.

  • Lily

    Just zipped through the comments this AM. The one comment that really stood out as far as I am concerned is that by Elise, “Logic is everything when faced with an absence of facts.” These days that’s about all that is left to most of us. Barry has supposedly spent millions of dollars for legal fees keeping many of his records from public view. I wonder if his actual birth certificate has some legal status his birth certification does not. I wonder if there is some information in his actual birth certificate that is not consistent with information he personally provided at later points in his life, like applications to the bar or college, etc. I wonder, if that were the case, if he would be guilty of fraud or at least out in the open as a deceptive, lying cheat. That is where my logic takes me. And I find it really hard to focus when all of Barry’s friends offer so many distractions, and it find it difficult to remain civil when his obnoxious press secretary suggests that the doubters are fools and lunatics.

    • Ani

      Gibbs is obnoxious to say the least — and incredibly disrespectful. Whatever one thinks of this issue, people who wonder at all the mystery surrounding the COLB is logical — and shouldn’t entitle those people to be insulted. He should just be able to produce the damned thing, as McCain had to, and be done with the mystery. This could be settled in five minutes. It’s a birth certificate for crying out loud. Knowing that he spent almost a million dollars through lawyers to block investigation makes it fishy.

      This issue notwithstanding, Gibbs handles anyone who questions PBO using the same tactics he was taught by Axelrod during the primaries — if you don’t vote for my guy you are obviously a racist, or a lunatic. Interesting logic he’s got there.

      And the media, blinded for whatever reasons from doing their jobs, agreed with them and let them get away with insulting large segments of the American people who did not deserve it.

      • Scout

        This is it, in a nutshell. Why the big deal? Why the millions in legal fees? Just produce the documents and be done with it.

        Simple. Unless you have something to hide.

      • socalannie

        I don’t trust herr “Gibbels” an inch. He’ll say anything to protect his boss.

  • Hank

    Here is a question nobody has asked…Will the White House make a big deal about his BIRTHDAY on AUGUST 4th? It could get nasty, just imagine the questions.
    Happy Birthday Mr. pResident, where’s your BC?
    Happy Birthday TOTUS, where were you born?
    Happy Birthday Barry!

    Maybe the White House will come out with another excuse that the Obama’s don’t celebrate birthdays. But, we know that’s not true, His daughter celebrated her birthday in France at the expense of taxpayers, flying on a different plane not Air Force One.

    We shall see on August 4th!!! I’m surprised the MSM has not started the celebration.

    • oowawa

      Thee One’s birthday: Marilyn sang for JFK. Who would sing for O?

      Happy birthday to you
      Happy birthday to you
      Happy birthday Mr President
      Happy birthday to you

      Thanks, Mr President
      For all the things
      you’ve done
      The battles that you’ve won
      The way you deal
      with U.S. Steel
      And our problems by the ton
      We thank you so much

      • Thinker

        sinclair, lol

  • Hank

    We should FedEx him a Birthday present. A box full of random birth certificates.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Well there is someone on the internet that can photoshop a BC almost identical to Obama’s..

      I think they said something about using it for something on Obama’s birthday.

      I say why not email, fax, mail or ??? BCs to all the congressional people on Obama’s birthday with their names inserted where Obama’s.
      This would give them such a great tingle knowing they are related to the President LOL.

  • Regina

    Please keep this story going Larry. Obama or whatever his real name is needs to be honest with the american people. Lou Dobbs did not do anything wrong by asking Obama to produce his birth certificate. He did not say he thought Obama was not an American. We need to support him. I understand his ratings have dropped. I decided to tape him every night. Hopefully everyone who is concerned about our free press should also tape if not watch him to show support. I do not want to be silenced by the powers who shield Obama.

    • rose

      is censorhip what the media and our NEW democrat party endorsing now,saying Dobbs or anyone CAN”T speak about an issue,I have been hearing this on many “news”channels like MSNBC and CNN .

      I couldn’t stand Bush but look at what was said about him personally and Clintons especially by some of the ones complaining about shutting people up.

    • tzada

      If you hear his rating have dropped I would look to the source. Was it MSM? I rest my case. They are in the tank. When you control the media you control the people. So they think.

    • NYCgirl

      I have emailed Dobbs several times during this controversy and so have my friends. Please let him know you support his right to free speech.

      His email address is: loudobbstonight@turner.com

      You can also send Lou Dobbs a message on Twitter:

      http://twitter.com/loudobbsnews

  • tzada

    World Net Daily has postcards you can send. According to them sales are high. :)

  • Snoopy

    Come on folks , it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out.

    He can’t release the long form BC , even if one exists at all.

    Certification points to the information on the Certificate.

    It would expose the Certification as a forgery.

    It’s been confirmed, Hawaii NEVER described race as AFRICAN………

    Whomever forged the COLB and used the description AFRICAN was trying to be politically correct, they could not bring themselves to use the correct description NEGRO.

    • Thinker

      hmmmm.

      Interesting point. The possible forger’s political correctness could be the unraveling of the whole thing…

    • oowawa

      NEGRO? The description could just as likely be WHITE, or CAUCASIAN. After all, his mother was “white,” correct? Why should “NEGRO” take precedence over his mother’s race?

      • SoCalDem

        As the Mother of mixed children, anytime their is mixed blood the children take on the fathers race. It says Negro on my childrens birth certificate from California. My children were born between 1968-1981. Its been common practice , my husband was bi-racial, but my children are Negro.

        • oowawa

          The questions that this raises are deep and far-reaching.

      • tzada

        I don’t know for a fact, but I think if a person has a certain amount of, (dare I say this?) Negro blood then they are classified as such.

        Since when should a word, a perfectly fine word give us pause to say it? Caucasian and Negro, Asian all just words. We are all brothers and sisters under the skin, lets join together and become Americans first.

    • lorac

      “…used the description AFRICAN was trying to be politically correct…”

      And they weren’t very bright. Africa is a continent, not even a country, let alone an ethnicity or race.

  • Thinker

    So basically, if Barack’s legal name is Barry Soetoro, we have a President of the United States of America that is using an alias. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think that’s legal.

    And if Davis really is Barack/Soetoro’s father, because my goodness, they sure do look alike! eh… well, lying about that really isn’t a crime, but he made a whole lot of money off of “Dreams of my Father” and it was all a big lie!!!

    I wonder if Oprah will have him on her show to rip him to shreds like she did that “Millions of Little Pieces” guy.

    It should have never gotten this far. Everyone has to turn over mountains of records except this guy. We got to see McCain and Biden’s medical records, Obama turns in a few paragraph’s from his doctor.

    He’s been voting present in every facet of his life and it’s finally catching up with him.

    We now have a President who only gets vetted AFTER he’s in office!

  • gianni

    Obama’s sister Maya was born in Indonesia, and some claim she also has a Hawaii birth certificate. If so, then this leads to speculation that it would be pretty easy to get a “certification of live birth” from Hawaii even if not born there. I guess right now the important work is to verify if indeed Maya Soetoro does have a certification of live birth on file with Hawaii. If so, this brings into serious doubts the veracity of Obama’s claims that he was born in Hawaii.

  • OxyCon

    Thankfully some in the media are starting to raise this question and are putting pressure on Obama to release the original certificate.
    As more and more people become aware of this discrepancy, there will be more pressure on Obama to release it.
    As the pressure builds, Obama will continue to lose credibility the longer he obfuscates. The more it looks like he’s hiding something, the less trustworthy he becomes.

  • arch200

    So the problem is that Obama was classified as a Muslim? I see.

    • oowawa

      I see

      “I see,” said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      where do you *see* that is the problem?

      • arch200

        I don’t have a problem that Obama may have been a Muslim, but it seems many people here do. This is what the BC controversy really boils down to. Another way to bash Muslims.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          Why do you think this boils down to Obama being a Muslim? And why is this a way to bash Muslim? Where are people here saying this is about Obama being a muslim, or that they have a problem with it? (I am asking, I haven’t seen the comments)

          It isn’t about bashing Muslims, it is about Obama and whether or not he is telling the truth. HE is the one who RAN from the term Muslim – even after writing about it in his book. But then he considered it a smear to be called Muslim….

          I think this boils down to a constitutional requirement, the truth, and why he refuses to reveal his real long form birth certificate.

          • arch200

            The same people who are curious about his BC are the same people who regularly bash Muslims (not necessarily saying you in particular). How many comments have been written here that have attacked Obama for being a Muslim. I have reads hundreds of anti-Muslim comments on NQ over this past year. Obviously, it’s a problem for many people. And it looks like that’s what the BC is all about – finding out about Obama’s Muslim past and then mocking it.

            • lorac

              The birth certificate doesn’t list religion.

            • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

              i think it is more about the truth, than mocking someones religion.

              yes, there have been some bad comments, and we try to delete the ones we find. but for most people it is about the facts not matching up with the rhetoric.

            • tzada

              Victimization is exactly how Muslim creep happens. We are talking about radical Islam. It is happening here. Some of us know about the Crescent Embrace in Pennsylvania.

              Before you lash out at me, I will say this. So far the USA is a free country and free to say what we please. No one has bashed Muslims. Obama ran from being labeled a Muslim. Why? He is the one you should have faulted.

              Let me sign this granddaughter to Muhammed ben ‘Abd Allah Banu Hashim

              granddaughter to Roccija bint Muhammad

              twice granddaughter to Fatimah Al-Zahra Banu Hashim

              Many Muslims now in America came here to escape radicalization of Islam.

            • http://! stodgie

              no arch, isn’t that just the cutest thing. trying to use religeon and name calling to divert attention from barry. no thanks i bought and don’t need any more bull. don’t ring the doorbell again.

          • inconsiderable wretch

            Yes, a thousand times, American Girl in Italy!

        • Mandelay

          It matters not if he’s a Muslim, but if he is, the only person with a problem is Barack Obama … the problem is his inability to come to terms with who he is. If he’s a Muslim, he’s the one who’s gone out of his way to hide it. I can’t recall a POTUS candidate conducting a primary campaign and saying “I’m a Christian.” Until 2008. If he’s a Muslim, then he’s the one bashing Muslims. His religion continues to pop up in news stories from time to time. Last week I read he was “still looking for a church.” How come that’s news? Because he, Barack Obama, made it an issue. It’s a sticky web he’s woven.

        • ConfusedAmerican

          Whether or not Obama was a Muslim is not the issue I think most are looking at.

          If at some time in his youth he was a Muslim why has he so adamantly denied Ever being a Muslim(as an adult I don’t think what religion my parents forced on me should matter).

          Its the fact that he has lied about that issue. WHY.

          • Mandelay

            He continues to play with the Muslim issue. The widely quoted and debated line he uttered about the U.S. being among the largest Muslim countries if you count all the Muslims in the U.S. has him venturing into quicksand territory, because he’s talking about Muslims in terms of their numbers. What does that accomplish in terms of a positive reaction? It is Obama who’s playing around with these issues. And he’s babbling like a political operative, counting the votes of ethnic/religious groups … and not speaking as the leader of a united nation.

          • alibe

            Not only did 0bama deny being a muslim, but the media attacked Hillary with such venom because she said he wasn’t a Muslim “as far as she knew”. When in fact he had been a muslim as a young boy… But Hillary was crucified for her comment on “60 Minutes”. that is how far the media went to save 0bama from his phony narrative.

  • mark in wa

    lamecherry.blogspot.com

    lamecherry has some great what ifs about the birthcertificate.

    reads almost like a soap opera yet the fraud is hiding something.

    the big question is what is it?

    “Blood is a most interesting of things when looking into any criminal situation. It was the first measure in “elementary my dear Watson” in linking blood type to criminals at the scenes of the crime………and unless one has an OJ jury in Los Angeles, even DNA will convict him……..although, this blog agrees with one investigator that it was OJ’s son who did the deed and he covered it up.

    What is interesting is the BBC had online a strange story about Obama coming to see the Queen awhile back, that went into great detail about Obama apparently carries a tanker load of AB blood with him as that is his type.
    Why the Brits were so taken with that bit of information to go into such detail is something lost on this side of the world, as I was more interested in how many poor people who needed AB type blood were dying because Obama is carrying it around like he is trying to lure in vampires.

    Blood is important in Barack Obama’s birth saga, as most people do not know that each of us inherits their blood type from either their mom or dad………unless one is patrician Peggy Noonan, then you only have a mother and father to keep your distance from.
    In that Barack Obama’s blood type is rare enough in the blood groups in being AB. This means that either is mum or pop had type AB.
    This means if someone would bother to request Barack Obama sr., Frank Marshall Davis, Madelyn Dunham to Stanley Ann Dunham, a list of who Obama’s real sperm and egg donors really are.

    Not that it makes much difference in if Frank Davis fathered the Obama, Birdie is still a dual citizen in being adopted by Lolo Soetoro, who Obama flushed like a bad case of the diarhea.

    In like manner if it was Barack sr., Obama is still disqualified from the White House as he is a British subject no matter where he was born.

    I find in this that it would be the most amusing of things if Obama in medical information that his people just let out to the British would reveal the blood type which would sink his ship.
    Imagine if Stanley Armour had type O and Stanley Ann had type O from her dad. Next what if Barack sr. had type A, and Madelyn had type AB.

    The winner then in that blood lottery would be Madelyn Lee Dunham as Barack Obama’s real egg donor mother.
    Granted the odds of something that easy showing up are on average at best 50%, the reality is that information if obtainable would certainly at least set Peyton Place Obama in revelation as to just who his parents are as Stanley Ann in a bikini in 1961 doesn’t look all that motherly, and no one but this blog has at least laid out a logical story as to how a woman who didn’t want kids, wasn’t looking prego, ended up with a black baby.

    No one for certain has stated if the naked woman who is making the internet as Stanley Ann Dunham is the woman or not, but this gal no more has delivered a bouncing baby Obama than the bikini beach version.
    So as Obama hordes the supply of blood like he does cherry pie, or reggie pie in this profane Age of Obama, let us expand the reservior of knowledge and take a peek at the family Obama, Davis and Dunham just to have a looksee if the world can figure out who actually birthed this guy and in that starting point, then we can see the other relevant facts like dual citizenship, birth place, travel records and whatever else this fraud is hiding, because in knowing that Obama has spent a million dollars on this in lawyer fees……..this entire family fraud has more stories they do not want out.

    For instance, what was Birdie and Muchelle doing on his first book writing tour in the far east and who paid for their southsea retreat as the kid was just married, just out of college and had a mountain of debt to repay supposedly.

    Let the good times roll”

  • basil

    KUDOS, Larry!

    You are the first person who has clearly, concisely and (IMHO) accurately explained the difference between certification and certificate and showed the evidence.

    Many thanks.

    :grin:

  • RegisteredHow

    “In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I’ll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.” http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

    There were 4 different ways for a child’s birth to be registered in 1961 in Hawaii.

    Hawaii’s form of registration back in 1961 left open several ways for someone(parent or ?) to register a child. Apparently in reading this article there appears one could register a child from any other state or country easily.

    Which one was used for Obama?

    Read the article, it is very good reading on Hawaiian birth certificates.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Glad someone else found that article.

      I still think Larry is right. What is Obama hiding?

  • JayD

    You have to think like a liar in order to understand Obama. He created his little world based upon hiding information quite a long time ago. It is not in his best interest to show any information that would point to the fact that he lied, or at the very least misled, everyone to believe something other than the actual truth.

    If I were in his shoes, if I had maintained one story for so long, weaving it intricately as I entered the White House, I would do everything in my power to make sure that the real facts of my life were never produced.

    Obama has a lot more to lose at this point by providing information than he does by hiding information. We are not going to get the truth out of Obama. Not now; not ever. It will have to come via another path. His protectors will go to any ends to keep his story as it stands because they, too, have a great deal to lose if they do not.

    • oowawa

      Exactly, JayD. Your statement is concise and directly to the point.

      But don’t worry. Mulder and Scully will soon be on the case, and that cigarette-smoking guy won’t stop them this time . . . The X-File (or rather, the O-File) will soon be solved. Just as soon as they clear up that Roswell business, they’ll get right on it . . .

      • trixta

        Obama’s X-file or O-file! LOL!

    • tzada

      They also have a great hold on an president. He will have to answer to his handlers in every way. Don’t think he isn’t aware of his declining polls.

      Maybe something to distract the public ? Maybe even panic the gullible public? Swine flue? Be aware. Pay close attention and don’t let the fire in the Reichstag distract you.

      Beware of people who say I will take care of you. Remember this: a government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take it all away.

      okay off my soap box now.

  • basil

    When I got divorced, I wanted to drop my ex’s name from ANY legal docs, correspondence, SS card, etc.

    I had to jump through friggin hoops to PROVE I was divorced, including submitting a decree with the original gold seal on it and a slew of supporting docs.

    It took a couple of years to change my SS card back to its original unhyphonated state.

    Just sayin’.

  • tzada

    My birth certificate plainly says this.

    Do not accept unless prepared on security paper with engraved border displaying the raised XXXX state seal and signature of the registrar. Penalty by Law #XXXX.if any person alters, uses or attempts to use or furnishes to another for deceptive use and vital statistics, NOT VALID IF PHOTOCOPIED. (Wonder if that applies to Photo Shopped?)

    Mine has the race, age and birthplace of both parents and is signed by MD or could be midwife.

    What does your say?

  • wyntre

    tzada,

    i don’t remember what’s on my BC, although I had to replace THAT too when I moved to NYS and needed a new DL.

    In that case I had a copy of my BC which DMV refused to accept and I had to contact the hospital where I was born for a VALID BC to get a VALID DL.

    WTF!!!!!!! We havewta jump thru hoops and POS gets a pass??????????
    There’s something wrong with this picture.

    • TexasMirth

      WTF!!!!!!! We havewta jump thru hoops and POS gets a pass??????????
      There’s something wrong with this picture.

      Orwell explained it thus: “All are equal; Some are more equal than others.”

    • rose

      to get my share of ex husbands SS ,I had to send my original birth certificate and also marrige certificate to get it ,no exceptions was told . I think being pres is more important of an issue

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/08/2nd-thread-michael-jackson-freak-show-rip/#more-27552 mdrockets

    Why should the President clear this up? The longer this goes on, the more uncomfortable it’s getting for the Republicans. They know he’s a native born citizen, but can’t offend their base who are all over this. Clever of the DNC to just let it keep going.

  • wyntre

    OK. You piqued my curiousity and I puilled out the BC.

    I have 2 docs.

    One says it’s a ‘certified transcript of birth’ and looks a little like the BO doc.
    it’s signed by the local registrar and at the bottom it says do not accept this transcript unless a raised seal of the issuing locality is affixed thereon.

    it then says to turn to the back for a list of security features in the form.

    Those include a chain link watermark,, press number and bar code in the right corner, blue border then red to blue to red background . . . fiber thread marks when wiewed with a black light, etc.

    The second doc looks like the other one Larry posted.

    At the bottom of THAT one it says this is to certify that this is a true copy of a record on file at the office of ****** in *******.

    it says to not accept the doc without the raised seal affixed and warns ANY ALTERATION or ERASURE VOIDS THIS THRANSCRIPT.

  • http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/ jeanniejo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn8xtAjG_jI&feature=channel_page

    Hawaii Never Confirmed Obama’s Birth Document As Genuine

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

    Unveiled! Hawaii’s 1961 long-form birth certificates
    Real documents include name of doctor, hospital

  • tzada

    Thanks for the link to this site. Went there and the person who created the site says he is Christian and conservative. However it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with stuff. They seem to have their facts and appear very knowledgeable. I have bookmarked and will return. Prepare to be shocked.

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/

  • Snoopy

    Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen.

    Atty Mario Apuzzo

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_29.html

  • inconsiderable wretch

    Larry, thanks for this important article. You made a substantive contribution and prompted many fine postings.

    • socalannie

      Well said. 99.9% of the msm are too chicken-sh*t to mention this subject, and when they do, it’s only to ridicule. I admire Larry for taking them on and calling it like it is.

  • Carmen

    Worldnet has been saying this for over a year now and has issued a challange to Bill O’Rilley for his concocted report the other night. Bill has moved so far off he is almost doing a Chris Mathews he is trying to cover his butt so hard.

    Another fact from Worldnet:

    What about the other heavyweight evidence cited as conclusive by people convinced that “birthers” are just a bunch of fruit loops? Those would be the two newspaper birth announcements appearing contemporaneously in two Hawaii dailies. Surely that settles the matter? No, it doesn’t. In fact, the newspaper ads were less meaningful than the certification of live birth because they were automatically generated by the issuance of that doc
    _________________________________
    Here is what Sullivan had to say:
    So many readers are furious that I have dared to ask the president to show the original copy of his birth certificate. The reason for demanding it is the same reason for demanding basic medical records proving Sarah Palin is the biological mother of Trig.

    Because it would make it go away and it’s easily done.

    I’m tired of these public officials believing they have some right to privacy. They don’t. It’s the price of public office. If you don’t like it, don’t be president. And for goodness’ sake, don’t run for president on a platform of transparency.
    ____________________________________________
    I am just glad people are finally starting to wake up. This man is illegitimate and every day he stays is another day our constitution is in peril, and the more damage he does.

    As I have constantly said, he was adopted which makes him a duel citizen, not natural born. Also his name is not LEGALLY Barak Obama which (I know because I researched the law) voids every election back to Illinois, AND voids his law degree because he LIED on his bar exam questioneer where it asks about any other names you have gone by and he wrote none.
    _________________________________________
    Here is another tidbit:
    Maya Soetoro was born to Indonesian businessman Lolo Soetoro and American cultural anthropologist Ann Dunham and half-sister to the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama. While living in Indonesia, she was home schooled by her mother and then attended Jakarta International School and returned to Hawaii and attended the private Punahou School in Honolulu, Hawaii, graduating in 1988.

    Besides being the First Sister Maya has a HawaiiaCertification of Live Birth despite be born in Jakarta Indonesia. Supposedly this certificate was used by the Daily Kos to forge an Obama version. Anyone find it odd that Maya, undisputedly born in Indonesia, would have the same type of document as Barack Obama to forge?
    ______________________________________________
    Once bitten, twice shy ..the art of blackmail
    by DefendUSx July 30, 2009 00:52
    Many, and i do mean many, Congressman know Obama is ineligible.

    It’s funny (or not) that Dr. Orly Taitz, since joining Facebook 4 days ago, now has at least 7 Congressman (that she never knew about) as friends (via their request)? They follow her coverage but are not Plantiffs. Why?

    Because many fear that they will be “exploited” by the “Obama industrial complex”. It is how dishonest people get ahead (and quickly), through threats and intimidation.

    You know many, if not most Congressman, have had an affair (or are having one as we speak) at one time or another. Challenge the birth certificate and guess what? You make the mainstream news for an affair you’re having.

    Not paying taxes (or owe back taxes)? Guess what, challange the birth certificate and you either pay up or be prosecuted for IRS evasion!

    You get the picture, and many fear the embarrassment they perceive would have on their career if they started asking about the certificate.

  • Carmen

    Did anyone see the meltdown Roland Martin did on Lou Dobbs show the other night? Stuff like that is just weird. Why get so upset if as he insists it is a non-issue. Even Lou looked at him like man what is the deal!

    • socalannie

      Yes I saw it; after the way they bashed Hillary & her followers all 2008, I think it is hilarious to see these media jabberheads get all riled up. This story is worth keeping alive for that reason alone.

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      Looked like desperation to me when I saw it! They are scared, which makes us birthers push even harder. I don’t really consider myself a birther though. I just think he is ineligible under article 2. Shoudl I call myself a constitutionaler?

      • Thinker

        That’s a good word!!

        cool username as well.

        :)

    • avwrobel

      That was something wasn’t it! I thought he was about to start crying on the air!! Martin is standing on a beach and he sees the tsunami (Obambi resigning from office in disgrace) on the horizon coming closer.

  • Attack Macaque

    A few points:

    1) As someone who has worked performing ID verification for a financial services firm, LJ is being massively disingenuous about what a certification of live birth is. It’s obviously not a photocopy of the actual birth certificate that was created when Obama was born, but it is a state-issued document that is meant to verify and summarize RELEVANT information in the original document and confirm that a photocopy of it, or the original itself, is archived somewhere. CLB’s are a widely used and widely accepted substitute for photocopies of birth certificates, they’re commonly used for ID purposes, and they contain all the relevant information that would be needed for the purposes they’re normally intended for, which generally don’t involve trying to protect politicians from racially or politically motivated smear attacks.

    2) CLB’s are frequently issued in lieu of photocopies of birth certificates for reasons pertaining to efficiency (because I’m sure that generating a computer printout of a CLB is a lot easier than unarchiving an original birth cert or photocopies/microfilm/microfiche thereof), as well as for reasons of privacy. (More on that in a moment.) Lots of people in this country, and I’m quite sure that includes more than a few of the birthers and other assorted detractors of Obama, don’t have photocopies of their original birth cert and have nothing more than a CLB for verification purposes. If we apply what LJ and others here are suggesting more broadly, we would be calling into question the honesty, citizenship, and racial identification of millions of people in this country.

    3) No, the CLB doesn’t contain the name of the hospital BO was born in, or the attending physician. It doesn’t need to, and I can’t think of any legitimate reason why any of this info would even be needed that doesn’t involve invoking wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

    4) The CLB doesn’t include the address of the parents (again raising the question of why this information is even needed), and this is probably at least partially due to privacy concerns. People who are receiving CLBs for ID verification purposes don’t need that information, and since it’s extraneous it’s generally not included. But despite LJ’s assertion otherwise, it does in fact include the name of both parents.

    5) No, the CLB doesn’t identify a race for the baby. That’s probably at least partially because, especially in cases like BO’s where the parents are from different ethnic groups, the question of which race a child belongs to is difficult to answer and ultimately ends up being more a question of which race a child ends up identifying with as they grop up. But it should be pointed out that the birth cert LJ posted doesn’t identify a race for the baby either. And despite LJ’s assertion otherwise, it does in fact include the race of both parents.

    6) BO’s father being listed on the CLB as “African” is not a clean-up, and to suggest otherwise is to tread in the same murky waters as 9/11 Truthers. It might have more to do with modern sensitivity to the use of words like “negro” that were more common in the 1960′s, or it might have to do with the fact that, unlike most black people in this country, he was actually born in Africa. “Kenyan” is a nationality, not a race, so it would be silly for it to be listed for the father, either on the CLB or the original birth cert.

    7) The point about “Barry Soetoro” being listed on the school application for his name, and his religion as Muslim, is ridiculously unfair. Parents mkae declarations about their childrens’ religious affiliation all the time without any regard to the actual beliefs their children have or don’t have. And it’s not at all uncommon for children to take on the last names of their stepfathers, especially if they were adopted by their stepfathers. As to why he changed it back to Obama, I’ve known at least a couple of friends who did the same thing, one because she reconciled with her birth father after a period of estrangement, and another because he considered it an important part of who he was (well, that and he hated his mom’s ex-husband). There are any number of perfectly reasonable explanations for why BO might have chosen to revert his last name, that have nothing to do with him trying to hide things about his past. And he changed his name back well before he went into politics, and the name he reverted to would hardly be seen by most rational people as one that a person would choose if he wanted to avoid questions pertaining to his ethnicity or religious affiliation.

    This whole issue is utterly ridiculous and is intended to do nothing more than create false inferences about Obama’s race, religion and place of birth for purposes of smearing him and undermining his legitimacy and ability to govern. It’s just as bad as the stuff that the right tried to pull with Clinton when he was in office, and it has the added taint of racism and religious bigotry. For LJ to try and differentiate himself from the birthers by claiming that he’s not trying to raise the issue of whether Obama is a citizen is dishonest.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Although you have some good arguments there is one major flaw in them.
      Why did Obama not address these issues.(all other candidates were expected to address similar issues).

      Take Obama’s school registration. That could just be overzealous parents trying to get Obama into school.
      Yet Obama adamantly stated he had never been Muslim. Why didn’t Obama at least address the school issue.(not sure but I think it was brought up a few times).

      Why are there so many papers where Obama says he never had any other name??? Opps is not Barry Soetoreo a different name? Why did Obama not address that issue, especially if it was his parents fault not his.

      Sorry I become a bit suspicious and when someone does not address legitimate questions directly and honestly.

      I could add other points that Obama has not address but I have a feeling that would be live writing a novel.

    • Lily

      I think you are missing the point… which in LJ’s own words is:

      “Arguing over whether or not Barack was born in Kenya is silly and distracting. The real issue ought to be why is Obama still hiding the original, long-form Certificate of Live Birth? Let’s accept the fact he was born in the USA. Why the continued obfuscation?”

      You really seem to be arguing with yourself. It looks like your lesser self is trying to convince your higher self that there doesn’t really have to be any underlying ulterior motive why Obama refuses to release not only his original birth certificate but his many other records and documents as well. Why shouldn’t we believe every word that comes out of the mouth of the Messiah. Even Dick Cheney himself didn’t go to these extremes in his pursuit of the imperial presidency.

      I am rooting for your higher self. Good luck. Best wishes.

    • avwrobel

      Sorry pal. The issue about ‘African’ is that the ‘COB’ provided by the Obama campaign in Dec ’07 (posted on their website) is that its a forgery. the forger has admitted it, and its been shown how it was done.

  • Carmen

    I have something for your friends Larry. Just who the Hell is giving Google, Yahoo and Bing the RIGHT to block sites that have Obama birth certificate information and other harmfull info on them? I have MANY sites I visit regularly that now come up unavailable, or have moved way to the back.
    This in censorship of the internet Obama is into now!

    Search engines are blocking this site now too!
    by DefendUSx July 30, 2009 13:26
    From several hundred search inquiries a day about the birth certificate (though nested 5 pages deep, when originally this site came up on the first page), now has been blocked almost completely.

    From several hundred everyday for months to nothing the past couple of days.

    I’m glad this site isn’t heavily dependent on search engine traffic like many are.

    Let your friends and family know that in order to get truthful details on the birth certificate debacle, to use a either a different engine from Yahoo, Google or Bing OR go at least 10 pages deep (i’m sure not all are completely blocked).

    I recommend gigablast.com or ipxquick.com for uncensored searching.

    • tzada

      Good idea. Google to me has become too invasive. Plus they supported 0. thanks for those search engines I will get Google out of my life.

  • J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)

    I read of a new theory last night. There are 4 different types of birth certificates in Hawaii. Only one type is for hospital births. So, if Obama does not have that type of certificate it means he made up the story of his being born in a hospital.

    Also, one type of birth certificate could have been issued on the statement of someone other than the parents. So a typical white grandmother could have provided the information based upon second-hand knowledge.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Here is the site that talks about the various types of BC issued in Hawaii in 1961.

      “In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I’ll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.”

      http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

      • J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)

        Thank you, confused American. I’ll try to make sense of it.

  • Carmen

    So we have established that he is not a natural born citizen. Lets go further then and say that EVERYONE in government democrat and republican must know this. So then what are they trying to pull on the American people by letting him keep the office?
    There must be a plan.

    • Ellen D

      Whatever it is, I believe it must be known to intelligence services of various countries (including ours). How is this good for us?

  • j. Cox

    God you people are ignorant!!!

    • shadow

      You might want to try the Huffington Post. Might be more up your alley. I heard Axelrod’s son just got hired there.

  • Beagle

    I know where Obama’s real Birth Certificate is!

    It’s in my safety deposit box right next to Michelle’s “Whitey” tape.

    I hear there’s a Republican billionaire that’s offering a million dollars for it.

    • bho boo

      We don’t care about his BC. He admits he was born British and though his Kenyan citizenship expired, he still IS British, and likely Indonesian too. But one extra is enough.
      He’s SO not eligible. Minor v. Happersett confirms.

      • Thinker

        lol @ one extra is enough

        :lol:

  • Jack

    The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:

    Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

    Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.

    • bho boo

      We can’t know who sired Barack, whose uterus he came from. We will just take him at his word. And as such, he is ineligible, and we don’t need the BC to know that because he admits he was born British himself–and he still IS British.

  • bho boo

    I mean bots come on! Ask yourself, since Barack is still a British citizen…
    WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS HAVE WANTED A BRITISH SUBJECT RUNNING THEIR MILITARY?

    DUH!

  • http://www.commongroundpolitics.net Politics

    The discussion below contains over 2,000 posts between people arguing both sides of the BC debate. Read through the entire thread – what conclusions do you draw?

    http://www.commongroundpolitics.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=41581

  • sam

    Are the “republican operatives” in control of the Michelle Obama “whitey” tape still being told to keep it to themselves by the John McCain presidential campaign? LMAO!

    Yeah…because the campaign that had no problem saying Obama “pals around with terrorists” is really above releasing a tape that would make him look bad.

    Larry Johnson, when will you come clean and admit you made the whole thing up?

    • uncletom

      Looks like someone is earning their paycheck this week.

      Do you get bonuses for every time you bring up the tape Sam?

  • Lisabona

    More you read , more confuse you became. What a mess.

  • http://! stodgie

    the thing with is lou dobbs on this story joe sixpack and all will now have a view into what we political junkies have known for ages about obama. once the average poorly informed americans begin to get the lay of the land, his falling poll numbers will drop like something with lead weights attached to it.

  • treadlightly

    I’m sure all of the answers to questions about Obama’s birth certificate can be found in the “Whitey” tape.

    Why is Larry still denying this to the American people?

    Free Whitey…Free Whitey…Free Whitey.

    What a disingenuous load of crap.

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      why don’t you also go after the LA times for that Khalidi tape. I would really liek to see that one!

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      why don’t you also go after the LA times for that Khalidi tape. I would really like to see that one!

      • Patrick Henry

        OOPS…Sorry Politicalidenitycris..
        I just figured that out over on the other thread…You are one of the “Unhypnoitized ”
        People who still has your Sanity and a Functional Brain..Sorry I thought you were a “BOT”…

        Naw…I have been hanging around on NQ since Larry first started it..Just have not been blogging for about a year Now..recovering from Surgery and health problems..

        Nice to see so many good changes going on here on NQ..

        Keeep up the good Comments…

  • Patrick Henry

    Politicalidentitycrisis..and treadlightly..

    So, Now that you have cleaned up the Peanuts from the Beer garden table..and drank all the left over Beer..You find time to come here and make really stupid comments about Whitey Tapes..and Kahlidi Tapes..you must be taking STUPID Lessons from your HERO…Barack..and His STUPID Decisions..and Race Baiting and Stupid Comments..

    He did everything BUT call Sgt Crowley “WHITEY”..and
    continues do act Childish and tempermental and inmature by refusing to apologize..But Hey…He knows he has Millions of African americans out there applauding thier “black liberation” Leader..

    Who needs those tapes now..OBAMA just Continues to Prove Larrys Point..All one has to do is watch Obamas STUPID Policys..and racist Behaviour..

    After all, Obama WAS threatened by Jeremiah Wright to come after Him, So Obama has to keep playing the race card..plus go after the White Mans System..to keep his Friends and mentors happy..

    Thats why They BOUGHT Him..

    And THATS What he is Clearly doing..

    Obamas Background..Plus His ACTIONS..

    Check… Check…Check..and Reality Check

    • Patrick Henry

      VIKING & MANDELAY

      Goodlinks and Very interesting articles to Read..

      Check and Check…

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      Sorry PH, I was being sarcastic to weirdo bot. I am in no way an Obama supporter. You must be fairly new here.

  • viking

    Here’s a great piece from National Review, it also refers to this post by Larry Johnson.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU

  • Mandelay
    • Animal Control

      Who’s picture is that?

      • Mandelay

        Prof. Carol Swain, Vanderbilt University.

      • GORDO

        Craig has a problem — his employerS. I understand.

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  • jbjd

    In response to a comment on a blog, I contacted one of the attorneys involved in a court case seeking to determine whether BO is a NBC. I received a reply asking for help. Here is my response.

    THEORIZING HOW TO PROVE BO IS NOT A NBC

    • tzada

      Good job and loads of work.

      • jbjd

        Thank you. But I already did the work on binding vote states, during the primary; and on states with laws that require the candidate for POTUS from the major political party to be a NBC. (If I organized my blog better, these documents would be easier to locate. I will…)

    • J.J. (The PUMA)

      Outstanding link. This guy has better arguments for obtaining standing to sue than any of the law suits brought last year.

      Keep up the pressure.

      • jbjd

        Thank you. Can you imagine 10 (ten) state fraud suits brought simultaneously under this legal theory?

  • HARP

    And they wonder why folks are skeptical.

    Obama was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children

    Obama was born at Queens Medical Center

    Kenyan Ambassador Peter NRO Ogego says Obama was born in Kenya

    Obama’s birth certificate was thrown out in 2001 when the hospital went paperless

    Obama’s birth certificate was NOT thrown out in 2001 when the hospital went paperless.

    “We don’t destroy vital records,” says Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman.

    Obama’s birth certificate number is later than the Nordyke twins even though he was born a day earlier.

    Obama was born in Kenya according to Kenyan grandma

    Obama online “proof” of birth certificate likely came from Photoshop

    Kenya has sealed Obamas’ medical records

    Obama’s birth certificate was lost in a fire at the hospital

    Winnie the Pooh`s birth certificate is more authentic than Obamas

    • oowawa

      Winnie the Pooh`s birth certificate is more authentic than Obamas

      Maybe so, but O has a belly-button, and Winnie the Pooh does not.

  • an observer

    Frank Marshall Davis is his biological father.
    Frank was born in Kansas.
    Therefore, both of Obama’s parents are natural born.
    And, sub sequentially, so is he.

    • jbjd

      Assume this is fact. How does being adopted by Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, accompanied by the issuance of a new HI birth certificate and a sealing of the original document, affect his citizenship status?

    • bho boo

      We have no way to prove who sired Barack. The only pertinent data is what he provided under oath.

  • J.J. (The PUMA)

    This is what bothers me the most about this issue. Last year the media ripped Hillary to shreds while showing no interest in questioning the secrecy and inconsistencies in Obama’s claimed life history. Anyone who has seriously looked at this knows that Obama is trying to hide something. The press not only shows no interest in finding out what is being hidden, they are actively participating in discrediting those who want answers.

    • Chicago Joe

      Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job.

      BHO’s own words on the JOhn Roberts confirmation. H/t I took the red pill.

      • socalannie

        OMG. He is such a hypocrite.

  • tzada

    Then why lie about it? Davis was a famous poet. Davis wife knew he was a pedophile and maybe he was bi sexual. So why then say he was Obama’s? That dog won’t hunt.

  • tzada

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm Wonder how long before that BC rumored to be cooking is whipped out?

    Mark Joseph Huffington: Post Release the original and let’s be done with this madness.

    The only thing weirder than the Birthers are the anti-Birthers, who blame the Birthers for being conspiracy theorists yet actively feed the conspiracy by refusing to call for President Obama to release his birth certificate.

    The state official in Hawaii who manages such things has reiterated that there is indeed an original birth certificate on file which would confirm President Obama’s having been born in Hawaii and that she has seen it, but state law won’t allow her to release it unless the president authorizes it.

    So what’s the problem here? Release the original and let’s be done with this madness.

    I realize there are some faith-based Obama supporters who believe without seeing, but the rest of us in the reality-based world are starting to get that strange feeling we got when Mark Sanford tried to convince us that he was away from his family on Father’s Day, hiking the Appalachian trail in order to clear his head and write a book.

    During the last campaign, John McCain faced similar questions and promptly responded by releasing his original birth certificate. That’s how normal people with nothing to hide handle these things.

    Most American’s aren’t Birthers or anti-Birthers, but we are beginning to wonder why the president doesn’t put this one to rest once and for all. Every day he allows this circus to continue is another day that he behaves less like the President of the United States facing weird accusations from fringe groups and more like a strange politician flying to Argentina to visit his soul-mate while pretending to be hiking the Appalachians.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-joseph/the-only-thing-weirder-th_b_248227.html

  • TeakWoodKite

    Obama’s lengthy, deeply introspective autobiographies do not address whether he was adopted by the stepfather whose surname he shared for many years, but in all likelihood that did happen in Hawaii, before the family moved to Jakarta

    If BO was adopted in the US PRIOR to moving to Indonesia, he is in deep shit. Which, if after leaving Indonesia, Obama Sr. made a visit. Why?

    As Obama had no control in the adoption, I do not fault him. It does stand out that he is hiding some “inconvient truth”.

  • tzada

    Hey guys! Guess what? More on Usurpers Birth

    In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the “Vital Statistics of the United States — Volume I — Nativity.

    and
    Now, here comes the good stuff. Page 231 contains the requirements for “Race and color.”

    “Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

    Read it all and see the pdf
    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=2704

  • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

    I find it humorous that on the first day of August 2009 there are still people that seriously question if Obama is actually an American citizen. I’ll admit that Obama’s super secrecy about everything in his past only lends to the confusion. And likely there are probably a lot of things about his past that he would not like to be widely known. Hell, if I was him I would have done everything in my power to keep people from finding out that my mom’s name was Stanley. I once had a male metal shop teacher named Shirley. And Johnny Cash had a boy named Sue.

    Whether he was born with the name Barry or if he was adopted by a Muslim really doesn’t matter to me. The guy lived a privileged life despite the lies he fashioned about once having lived on welfare. I suspect that the reason he wants to keep everything so secret is because if the facts were to be known his whole life story, which he committed to print, would be revealed to be pure fantasy. And the world would see that the Emperor has no clothes. Oh, and that he is a sick fuck. But that’s another matter entirely.

  • tzada

    Side note: The is an Annenburg foundation that is connected to the Chicago area. Seems like Obama may have sat on it’s board. I did a lot of research but it went out the door with my old computer, so am going from memory.

    Now, let’s look at the document that Obama has provided for certifying his eligibility for the Office of the President of the United States and that is displayed on Annenberg FatCheck.org.

    Yes I found this

    http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/obama-bill-ayers-and-factcheckorg-all-have-ties-to-annenberg-foundation/

    • jbjd

      Plus, keep in mind, Annenberg Political Fact Check has no legal privity with us. That is, they have no obligation to provide us with truthful information; and we have no reasonable expectation they will.

  • politicsisdirty

    Please Mr. President, put this issue to rest by releasing all records about yourself…the certificate of live birth and your school records from elementary to Law.

    I still believe in your Change and Transparency. Hope it comes soon.

  • Elliott

    I had never seen the divorce before. Step children are not referenced in divorces. So he is listed as a child of the marriage, therefore parental rights for Mr Obama the senior were terminated and he was removed from the birth certificate as father if an adoption in Hawaii was finalized. Therefore if parental rights were terminated for Soerto it was for a young adult? Or were they not terminated for Soerto and Obama the senior still had terminated parental rights and is not properly on the certificate of birth? Was only a name change done and when? No disrespect intended but this sounds like a big mess. The issue of who is the legal (not birth father) father and legal name seems more likely to be the issue rather than citizenship.

  • tzada

    The offical Obama campaign website, “Fight The Smears”, has confirmed that Obama was a Kenyan citizen until 1982.

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama_birth_certificate_lawsuits

    hmmmmmmmmmmm

    I thought Obama claimed to have registered for the selective service September 4, 1980. How could this be if he was a citizen of Kenya?

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    Have you guys heard the newest rumor that is going around? That Sarah Palin never actually graduated from High School? Apparently she doesn’t have a HS diploma. Or she’s never shown it at least. I guess you don’t have to be a HS graduate to run for President, but it seems like a criteria most Americans would expect…

    • tzada

      oh yes dear, and have you heard the one that you are Nancy Polosi?

    • TeakWoodKite

      Your point? As far we know BO was hatched.

      So many expected salvation and a free tank of gas from BO.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        A lot of people are starting to ask questions about Sarah Palin never finishing HS… Maybe she got pregnant or something? It would explain why she went to 5 different colleges too! She kept getting kicked out when they found out she doesn’t have a real high school diploma.

        I mean who knows, maybe it’s all rumors? But it seems like if she didn’t have anything to hide she’d put her original diploma on the internet like President Obama put his original birth certificate online.

        It definitely makes me think something is up with this story! No wonder so many people are asking questions about it… it’s even on Yahoo Answers now:

        http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Au.k0MKv..oSKm53pB3hffPsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090731221646AARb3yR

        • socalannie

          Are you fucking insane? You don’t have to have a HS diploma to attend college. My own son is attending college and wrapping up high school at the same time. He is 15 and has about 60 friends there that are doing the same thing. Kids start college before finishing high school all the time; I did it myself…in the 70′s. Homeschool kids go to college without a HS diploma or taking the sat. Your comment is ridiculous.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            Yes but you also have to have a birth certificate to get a US Passport (which Obama obviously has) … But that doesn’t stop the Birthers does it? ;)

            Plus it does make sense… after all Sarah Palin doesn’t even know Africa is a continent… It’s pretty obvious she never made it through High School.

        • TeakWoodKite

          President Obama put his original birth certificate online.

          Wrong.

          the Certificate of live bith and a BC are NOT the same, in addition the document was a fake.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            The question is – why hasn’t Sarah Palin been able to put her HS diploma online like President Obama put his birth certificate online?

            • tango

              This isn’t about Sarah Palin. Typical to use distraction and deflection when you don’t have a leg to stand on argument wise.

              Just admit. You don’t care if Obama’s stories don’t match up to actual and factual information. It’s ok. But at least be honest and admit that you don’t believe or care.

  • tzada

    Well apparently Obama never went to any college and in fact may not have ever been born. You people are scared to death of Sarah Palin.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      That’s true, maybe President Obama is a hologram? After all, I’ve never touched him.

      • TeakWoodKite

        No but you seem touched by him. The One.

  • Jillbryant

    Good article in the WSJ on this “controversy.” I especially like the comparison of Birthers to Birchers.
    http://bit.ly/YjcEb
    He didn’t specifically cover the “Barry Soetoro” conspiracy (I love how there are so many HUGE problems going on and THIS is what some people want to spend time on.)

    • GORDO

      Leo Donofrio about the Wall Street Journal:

      “In discussing the issues surrounding Obama’s birth to an alien father, Taranto added text to a US statute which does not contain such text.”

      http://tinyurl.com/mm7vpa

  • tzada

    On a chilling note, earlier this week, President Obama held an event to rally support for his health care in Bristol, Virginia. This small city in the far southwest corner of Virginia is part of a tri-cities region on the I-81 corridor that includes nearby Johnson City and Kingsport, Tennessee. While the attendees at the actual event were handpicked, there were many protesters along the motorcade route. As has been the case in many such events, the anti-Obama care protesters greatly outnumbered the pro voices. A reader of Gateway Pundit sent in this report. (bold in original)

    During the motorcade when the president was arriving, there were several vehicles following the limo that contained the secret service. All of the vehicles had all the windows rolled down, and back hatch open on the SUVs with the men holding their, I assume assault rifles, machine guns, drawn on everyone lining the streets. Needless to say it took my breath away at the sight of them, and made my friends and I dizzy with fear. I have seen the secret service before, but never like this. While they were intimidating, I never felt in danger. The guns were not drawn when the motorcade was leaving the event. But I turned on a local talk radio program as we were leaving and all the calls were about witnessing the guns being pointed at them and nothing else until the end of the program.

    Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit assured his reader that this is not normal behavior for the secret service. I have been at several Presidential events in my life and watched more than one motorcade pass by and concur.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/honing_those_pitchforks.html

    • tzada

      Whatever it was, the message was poison. Only handpicked supporters were going to get into the carefully orchestrated media event at a Kroger deli that had Obama jetting in and out of the community. That all those who were left to peacefully demonstrate outside had been held at gunpoint is not going to be forgotten anytime soon by those in attendance.

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/honing_those_pitchforks.html

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  • Brendy

    Come on, people. Surely you should know now that NOTHING can stop or disqualify Obummer from being the president. Look at the election itself – filled with voter fraud (Acorn), lying or making up stuff about Hillary trying to make her look bad (like the Kennedy assasination (sp?) comment), attending that racist/anti-America/Jew church for 20+ years and getting a free pass on ALL of this, Missy O stating that she thought her own country was ‘down right mean’ and that she wasn’t ‘proud’ of it.

    The man, with all his cult followers and the vile politicians that pull his strings, will make sure he prevails EVEN IF IT IS ACTUALLY PROVEN THAT HE IS NOT A CITIZEN OF THE U.S. As they say, “you can’t fight city hall” and this is one fine example!

    • lorac

      You may be right about “now”, but state laws could be changed to require proof, which could affect BO’s ability to run in the future.

  • Constantinople

    Larry’s claims of fact surrounding this issue still seem to be unsubstantiated.

    The latest problem: the “paragraph 3″ referring to the children the parties have is not in the “divorce decree” but rather in Stanley Dunham’s petition for divorce. The way she filled in the number blanks on the court’s standard form does not prove that “Soetoro claims Barry was his child.” The petition does not appear to say anything more on the subject than the obvious fact that “the parties” had a total of two children between them. And the actual divorce decree, in which Lolo gives up his rights to his own daughter, certainly doesn’t support the idea that he “claim(ed) Barry was his child.”

    Likewise, Obama’s Catholic school registration as “Barry Soetoro” doesn’t prove the claims Larry made on July 26 in this post:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/26/the-obama-birth-certificate-controversy/

    Those claims were:

    1) Obama’s “original birth certificate” gives his name as Barry rather than Barack.
    2) Obama was legally adopted by Soetoro.
    3) Obama’s “original birth certificate” was amended after the adoption.

    One of the primary problems with people who are beating the birth certificate drum is that they are trying to extrapolate proofs from things that aren’t definitive. Obama may have simply been called Barry Soetoro in Indonesia because he and/or the family preferred Barry as a nickname and because he and/or his family preferred to use his step-father’s surname. Plenty of people whose birth certificates say “Joseph” go by the nickname “Joe.” I have a friend who uses her legal, maiden name for business but her husband’s name in dealing with her kid’s school.

    This is just reaching too far. Still no proof for these specific claims.

  • Carmen

    I have written to the senate site of Jeff Sessions of the United States Judicial committee. He is the ranking member to ask that this, and the firings of the IG’s be investigated by them. I told him that Americorp, and ACORN and it’s 300 some branches have to be taken apart for fraud, misuse of tax payer money, voter fraud, possible RICO violations, and violations of their 501C tax havens. Mr. Sessions has already shown some interest in the Walprin firing, but of course the democrat leader Leahy is blocking such investigation.

    It is up to us, the people to raise such a stink that Leahy cannot stand in the way of letting these investigations go forward.

    We must know of our president is compromised to other countries possible blackmail, and to his roots pulling him in directions dangerous to United States safty. We also cannot allow these groups to further damage the integrity of our voting, and census system.

    His senate site is easy to find on Google, and he is easy to contact from that site.

    Please people, lets get on it.

  • inconsiderable wretch

    Dear Larry,
    Let me thank you once again for continuing this extremely helpful line of inquiry!!!

  • Carmen

    OMG! I found this post on Michelle Malkin’s site. It is too good!

    On August 1st, 2009 at 12:45 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
    Guess who said the following words:

    I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us.
    Who said that?

    Barack Hussein Obama. Yes, really.

    I hope the Obama White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of Barack Obama.

    Where’s your birth certificate, Barry?

    Where are your college records, Barry?

    Where are your passport records, Barry?

    Before the Senate can confirm your Supreme Court nominee, the Senate must first put to rest the questions about your eligibility by:

    1) Inspecting an official copy of your original birth certificate, delivered under seal directly from the State of Hawaii, and

    2) Asking the Supreme Court to clarify the definition of “natural born citizen” so that the senate can support and defend the Constitution (relevant sections include Article II Section 1, and the 12th, 14th, and 20th Amendments).
    It is your duty to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate your record and your eligibility to hold the office of President.

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    I think all of those “birthers” have the wrong idea about what constitutes proof. They are talking about an “original birth certificate” and not willing to accept the Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii. I wonder if they are aware that this “original with the doctor’s signature” that they are waving about is a SOUVENIER that is issued by the hospital. It’s for the baby book and is in NO WAY a legal birth certificate. (No government agency will accept the hospital certificate as proof… those can be filled out by anyone!) The hospital reports the birth to the HIGHER authority (the STATE) who in turns records the “Certificate of Live Birth” into the public records. How do I know this? I ran into the problem years ago when trying to prove my own children’s birth. The ONLY legal and valid birth certificate anywhere in the U.S. is the kind that Obama has already provided.

    • bho boo

      We don’t care about the birth certificate. Obama makes an admission against interest that he was born a Brit and he’s still a Brit. The BC would not change that his father was Kenyan and he’s not jus soli jus sanguinis required per USC Article II s.1 and 7 SCOTUS precedent definitions.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        “that he was born a Brit and he’s still a Brit”

        Hold it right there! You’ve just set a new record for insanity! Let me go get your prize!

        • GORDO

          This is a link to an essay by Mario Apuzzo, attorney — Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al.

          “Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen”

          http://tinyurl.com/n5jtho

    • tango

      So what?? That is NOT the point of this thread. Many of us agree that what is published is legally acceptable for most purposes. We accept he was born in Hawaii.

      The point is, why has he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to refuse release of his long form birth certificate if truly nothing on it is questionable? Why has he refused to release any educational records? You would think he’d be releasing the information right and left to shut the Right Wing Wackos up. But no, he’s not. That tells me he has something to hide because he and his spokespersons have never avoided referring to Limbaugh and other conservatives by name when refuting what they say if it’s negative to Obama. So he’s not afraid of the fight. But this is one fight he shirks away from and that gives me great pause.

      Why don’t you address why you don’t think he should have to provide any documentation disproving these allegations if truly he is the President who approves and practices transparency?

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        “why has he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to refuse release of his long form birth certificate if truly nothing on it is questionable?”

        What evidence of this do you have? Obama doesn’t really have to do much of anything to keep his birth certificate private. It’s the law that he can keep it private. By posting what he posted online he’s already gone far beyond the call of duty. But even after that, the “Birthers” just keep on with the crazy. It’s really breath-taking. The amount of crazy. It’s a whole new level of insanity! What having a black man as President will do to the crazies in this country? I guess we are finding out right now!

      • Thinker

        Exactly!!!

        If he has nothing to hide, why has he spent MILLIONS of dollars to block this information?

        People who have nothing to hide don’t spend that type of money to block the release of a simple birth certificate.

        The hardest thing to get some people to admit to is the obvious.

    • lorac

      ” I wonder if they are aware that this “original with the doctor’s signature” that they are waving about is a SOUVENIER that is issued by the hospital. It’s for the baby book and is in NO WAY a legal birth certificate.”

      Oh my gosh, you are SO wrong. I don’t know about “hospital BCs”, but you are equating all long-forms with this “hospital BC” – and that is wrong. I have both a long-form and a short-form, and the long-form is from the “Bureau of Records and Statistics, Department of Health, the City of NY”.

      And it lists ALL kinds of things that could be checked to verify any story I might later give – my father’s job, where my mother lived (I don’t know about contemporary BCs, but back then they only asked about father’s job, not mother’s, and about mother’s address, not father’s – they were usually the same back then). It also lists the doctor’s signature and his name, and his address. It also lists the hospital name and address.

      All these things (and more) are missing on the short-form, which is all BO is willing to release. Which means that he is refusing to release a form which contains information which could be used to verify the form itself. Which is telling.

  • Objective Analysis

    Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution list three requirements to be president.

    1. Natural Born Citizen (NBC) Or a Citizen of the U.S. at the time the Constitution was adopted in 1787
    2. At least 35 years of age
    3. At least a 14 year resident

    The reason why Obama and his supporters do not want to release his Certificate of Live Birth because it will prove he was not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

    His original birth certificate will show that his father, Barack Obama Sr. was a Kenyan National and he is not a U.S. citizen.

    What Obama and his supporters are doing is propagandizing his legitimacy the same way Hitler did in Germany. This is what is frightening.

    Keep exposing the lies people and address the real issue: whether Obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      #1 It doesn’t matter if Obama’s father was Kenyan or not. His mother was an American and he was born on American soil. He’s American. Furthermore, I never thought that his father’s nationality was in question? Doesn’t everyone know his father was Kenyan? So what?

      #2 Obama’s birth certificate is online for everyone to see. No other President has ever made such a personal document public before, but President Obama has. He has nothing to hide. The sad thing is that even though he’s gone way beyond what he really had to in order to appease the nutters – it still hasn’t helped. The insane “Birthers” are so mad about having a black man “socialist” as their President that they are grasping at any straws to try to make it not real.

      Sorry buddy. It’s real. President Obama is an American. He’s our President. Get used to it.

    • bho boo

      He already admitted his father was Kenyan and that he was born with British citizenship, and he still is a Brit. Only his Kenyan citizenship expired at age 21.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Found this interesting quote in an Australian news article Written by Greg Rogers
    “If Obama is going to cause the destruction of America and Israel, I at least want to know that he was constitutionally empowered as a “Natural Born Citizen” serving as President of the United States to destroy us. I hate to think all this could have been prevented by some state official somewhere doing their job and asking to see proof that Obama was eligible to run for office. That never happened.”

    http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13140:is-barack-obama-eligible-to-be-president-and-who-is-trying-to-find-out-if-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen&catid=71:world-news&Itemid=201

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  • MKL

    With all the birthers running around making
    fools of themselves, driving the moderate
    voters away….why on earth would Obama
    wish to put an end to it?

    • lorac

      Got news for you. We ARE the moderates.

      • MKL

        FOX News?

        • lorac

          This site has different posters, but it’s mostly lifelong dems who went independent on May 31, 2008.

          • MKL

            I have no idea what you are referring to.
            My post was an answer to Larry’s question:Why?

  • NYCgirl

    Orly Taitz just filed a motion on Aug. 1, 2009 to authenticate a birth certificate allegedly issued for Obama in Kenya:

    Motion for rogatory discovery to authenticate Kenyan Birth Certificate of Barack Hussein Obama

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3583

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    Clean up in Aisle 9…

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    Eww.