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		<title>By: Peeka Lum</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1250372</link>
		<dc:creator>Peeka Lum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also liked your comment.
Central to everything is the American middle class.  The American middle class is what generated the wealth that causes businesses to produce products for it.
In the 1950s, America was self sufficient and its large middle class produced most, if not all, of the goods that other Americans bought.  This was the key.  The money American workers earned was spent within their local communities and thus supported other middle class American jobs and businesses.  Basically a dollar would pass thru 4 or 5 hands before leaving a community.  I can&#039;t put a table in this comment, but starting with $100, 20% taxes, 10% savings, and passing the money thru 4 or 5 hands, the actual taxes collected are over $50 and savings are over $25.  That&#039;s why life was so good.  Taxes allowed local governments to build and maintain services.  Savings allowed banks to have money to loan for investments.

But the objective of business is to make as large a profit as they can.  Having American goods made by cheaper overseas labor increased profits but what was not taken into account was that laying off each wage earner really affected 4-5 other wage earners resulting in a much greater loss of taxes and savings; i.e., closing a plant and laying off 1000 workers has the effect of actually laying off 5000 workers.

For a business, this is not their problem.  There is a belief that the American middle class is large and can handle such an impact ... so they say.  In addition, the business&#039; offers these foreign built products at a reduced price in convenient large shopping malls.  Also, they&#039;ve paid workmen&#039;s comp and offered re-training courses.  Not one of these things are an equivalent full time job to replace the one the worker was laid off from.

Also, thinking that the now wealthier business owners and shareholders will spend their increased income in the local communities is naive.  Do they even live in the local communities? How many limos have you seen in Walmart and Target parking lots?  How many nannies, cooks, and gardeners can these people hire to be equivalent in pay and skills to the skilled wage earners that are no longer working?

To fix this economic downturn, the American middle class must start working again to have the income to buy things and to pay off any loans. In order for the middle class to do this, they must have real jobs irrespective of the impact on foreign countries. If the foreign economies were in good shape, then they would be weathering the American financial screw up with minimal impact on their own economies. The foreign economies actually depend on the American middle class to buy the goods they produce. 

What is needed is a form of &quot;Environmental Protection&quot; for the American middle class worker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also liked your comment.<br />
Central to everything is the American middle class.  The American middle class is what generated the wealth that causes businesses to produce products for it.<br />
In the 1950s, America was self sufficient and its large middle class produced most, if not all, of the goods that other Americans bought.  This was the key.  The money American workers earned was spent within their local communities and thus supported other middle class American jobs and businesses.  Basically a dollar would pass thru 4 or 5 hands before leaving a community.  I can&#8217;t put a table in this comment, but starting with $100, 20% taxes, 10% savings, and passing the money thru 4 or 5 hands, the actual taxes collected are over $50 and savings are over $25.  That&#8217;s why life was so good.  Taxes allowed local governments to build and maintain services.  Savings allowed banks to have money to loan for investments.</p>
<p>But the objective of business is to make as large a profit as they can.  Having American goods made by cheaper overseas labor increased profits but what was not taken into account was that laying off each wage earner really affected 4-5 other wage earners resulting in a much greater loss of taxes and savings; i.e., closing a plant and laying off 1000 workers has the effect of actually laying off 5000 workers.</p>
<p>For a business, this is not their problem.  There is a belief that the American middle class is large and can handle such an impact &#8230; so they say.  In addition, the business&#8217; offers these foreign built products at a reduced price in convenient large shopping malls.  Also, they&#8217;ve paid workmen&#8217;s comp and offered re-training courses.  Not one of these things are an equivalent full time job to replace the one the worker was laid off from.</p>
<p>Also, thinking that the now wealthier business owners and shareholders will spend their increased income in the local communities is naive.  Do they even live in the local communities? How many limos have you seen in Walmart and Target parking lots?  How many nannies, cooks, and gardeners can these people hire to be equivalent in pay and skills to the skilled wage earners that are no longer working?</p>
<p>To fix this economic downturn, the American middle class must start working again to have the income to buy things and to pay off any loans. In order for the middle class to do this, they must have real jobs irrespective of the impact on foreign countries. If the foreign economies were in good shape, then they would be weathering the American financial screw up with minimal impact on their own economies. The foreign economies actually depend on the American middle class to buy the goods they produce. </p>
<p>What is needed is a form of &#8220;Environmental Protection&#8221; for the American middle class worker.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239658</link>
		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>word, lahana; america has been dumping good jobs and screwing working people for years, if not decades.  the dire straits we are in now can not be corrected by giving the rich more money or tweeking the financial systems a little bit this way or that.  

we need a massive reconstruction of the economic foundation of this country, which is GOOD, manufacturing/agricultural/tech VALUE-ADDING jobs.  we can not run the &quot;greatest country in the world&quot; by selling each other burgers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>word, lahana; america has been dumping good jobs and screwing working people for years, if not decades.  the dire straits we are in now can not be corrected by giving the rich more money or tweeking the financial systems a little bit this way or that.  </p>
<p>we need a massive reconstruction of the economic foundation of this country, which is GOOD, manufacturing/agricultural/tech VALUE-ADDING jobs.  we can not run the &#8220;greatest country in the world&#8221; by selling each other burgers.</p>
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		<title>By: The American People Have Their Priorities Right : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American People Have Their Priorities Right : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Linda pointed out below, we need jobs, jobs, jobs FIRST before the President and Congress embark on any new programs that will increase our national debt. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As Linda pointed out below, we need jobs, jobs, jobs FIRST before the President and Congress embark on any new programs that will increase our national debt. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Anselmi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239447</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Anselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you lahana!!!

What a great comment.

You give a wonderfully concise and telling summary of how main street had its financial pockets cleaned before being dropped off the jobless cliff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you lahana!!!</p>
<p>What a great comment.</p>
<p>You give a wonderfully concise and telling summary of how main street had its financial pockets cleaned before being dropped off the jobless cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: arky</title>
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		<dc:creator>arky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a job. My unemployment ran out ages ago...before they decided to extend benefits. SOL I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a job. My unemployment ran out ages ago&#8230;before they decided to extend benefits. SOL I am.</p>
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		<title>By: lahana</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239348</link>
		<dc:creator>lahana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A huge part of the problem is that for the last 40 or so years, the economic plan for the rest of the world was to overproduce and sell the excess (or in some cases the total production) to the United States. Then, the companies in America decided that it would be cheaper to move the production to other countries and ship it back here to sell. That only works when American&#039;s have good paying jobs to pay for things. In the 1970s, women moved into the workforce. And, for a while, having two incomes covered up the fact that male income had been falling. Then, in the 80s, with the tech boom, everyone thought that they would be able to make up income by putting money into the stock market (this was when the idea of day trading was promoted so heavily). After the tech crash, everyone started looking at their homes as a way to pull out money by refinancing their mortgages and pulling out equity with lines of credit. Well, now the housing bubble has burst, people&#039;s credit has been maxed out, and we are told that the jobs that have been lost are not coming back. But still we are told that it is necessary for us to pull the country (and world) out of recession by consuming. But the goose that layed the golden egg has been slaughtered. Unless the United States starts producing something and creating real jobs, the world will just have to learn to buy their own production -- we no longer have the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A huge part of the problem is that for the last 40 or so years, the economic plan for the rest of the world was to overproduce and sell the excess (or in some cases the total production) to the United States. Then, the companies in America decided that it would be cheaper to move the production to other countries and ship it back here to sell. That only works when American&#8217;s have good paying jobs to pay for things. In the 1970s, women moved into the workforce. And, for a while, having two incomes covered up the fact that male income had been falling. Then, in the 80s, with the tech boom, everyone thought that they would be able to make up income by putting money into the stock market (this was when the idea of day trading was promoted so heavily). After the tech crash, everyone started looking at their homes as a way to pull out money by refinancing their mortgages and pulling out equity with lines of credit. Well, now the housing bubble has burst, people&#8217;s credit has been maxed out, and we are told that the jobs that have been lost are not coming back. But still we are told that it is necessary for us to pull the country (and world) out of recession by consuming. But the goose that layed the golden egg has been slaughtered. Unless the United States starts producing something and creating real jobs, the world will just have to learn to buy their own production &#8212; we no longer have the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Anselmi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239234</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Anselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent rant Peggy Sue.  Spot on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent rant Peggy Sue.  Spot on!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Anselmi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239230</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Anselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%.  I only used the term &quot;recovery&quot; because that is what is being touted in the media.  We really are not going to &quot;recover&quot;  we will be dealing with a whole new economy.  But even that won&#039;t happen without Jobs.  Lots and lots of jobs!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%.  I only used the term &#8220;recovery&#8221; because that is what is being touted in the media.  We really are not going to &#8220;recover&#8221;  we will be dealing with a whole new economy.  But even that won&#8217;t happen without Jobs.  Lots and lots of jobs!!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Anselmi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239177</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Anselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239154</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help!  Had another spam gobble, Linda.  Sent in the requisite email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help!  Had another spam gobble, Linda.  Sent in the requisite email.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandro Machi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29259/that-gaping-hole-in-our-recovery-is-called-jobs/#comment-1239149</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandro Machi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The second gaping hole is all the money that is going to pay for interest on the trillion dollars of consumer credit card debt, approximately 15 billion to 25 billion dollars a MONTH are going to fat cat credit card companies in the form of interest rate charges, interest rate charges they recently amped up to make sure people could not afford to pay off their cards but instead simply slowly tread water until they give up and drown in a sea of debt.

http://www.robotsagainstchasebank.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second gaping hole is all the money that is going to pay for interest on the trillion dollars of consumer credit card debt, approximately 15 billion to 25 billion dollars a MONTH are going to fat cat credit card companies in the form of interest rate charges, interest rate charges they recently amped up to make sure people could not afford to pay off their cards but instead simply slowly tread water until they give up and drown in a sea of debt.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.robotsagainstchasebank.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.robotsagainstchasebank.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Linda.  Please!  We&#039;ve been told this will be a &quot;jobless recovery.&quot;  Get with the program.  We&#039;re suppose to buy this hook, line and sinker.  

Until &quot;we&quot; lose our jobs, I guess.  

&quot;Jobless recovery.&quot;  When I first read that, I wondered: is that a sick joke?  Or maybe a oxymoron [stress on the moron part].  People without jobs means no spending and business failing, people losing everything they&#039;ve worked for [meaning defaulting on loans, mortgages, etc.], a withering tax base, an uptick on social services like unemployment.  But then, the states are crumbling under the weight of the need.  Why?  Withering tax base, and increase in social services and the huge losses they took as a result of all that bankster love.

The solution?  Give the banks more money and pretend they&#039;re solvent--so we have to fudge the books.  Call it &quot;creative,&quot; then it&#039;s all good.  Extend unemployment benefits, run up the national debt, call a cash for clunkers program a wild success to the tune of $1 billion [chump change] and keep the happy juice flowing. For those who refuse to drink, call them a mindless, disgruntled mob.

Bread and circuses.
 
To add insult to injury, let&#039;s propose an increase in taxes [VAT tax, health tax, whatever] on those still working and the businesses that manage to keep their doors open.  And, of course, keep spending that borrowed money because as Joe Biden said [another slip]: we&#039;ve got to keep spending money to stay out of bankruptcy.

Maybe Obama and his crew ought to take a look at Jefferson County in Alabama.  The state is talking about calling in the National Guard because the county, home of Birmingham, is in danger of complete collapse and civil unrest.

Jobless recovery = alot of ticked off citizens. And frankly, I don&#039;t think our National Guard is big enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Linda.  Please!  We&#8217;ve been told this will be a &#8220;jobless recovery.&#8221;  Get with the program.  We&#8217;re suppose to buy this hook, line and sinker.  </p>
<p>Until &#8220;we&#8221; lose our jobs, I guess.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Jobless recovery.&#8221;  When I first read that, I wondered: is that a sick joke?  Or maybe a oxymoron [stress on the moron part].  People without jobs means no spending and business failing, people losing everything they&#8217;ve worked for [meaning defaulting on loans, mortgages, etc.], a withering tax base, an uptick on social services like unemployment.  But then, the states are crumbling under the weight of the need.  Why?  Withering tax base, and increase in social services and the huge losses they took as a result of all that bankster love.</p>
<p>The solution?  Give the banks more money and pretend they&#8217;re solvent&#8211;so we have to fudge the books.  Call it &#8220;creative,&#8221; then it&#8217;s all good.  Extend unemployment benefits, run up the national debt, call a cash for clunkers program a wild success to the tune of $1 billion [chump change] and keep the happy juice flowing. For those who refuse to drink, call them a mindless, disgruntled mob.</p>
<p>Bread and circuses.</p>
<p>To add insult to injury, let&#8217;s propose an increase in taxes [VAT tax, health tax, whatever] on those still working and the businesses that manage to keep their doors open.  And, of course, keep spending that borrowed money because as Joe Biden said [another slip]: we&#8217;ve got to keep spending money to stay out of bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Maybe Obama and his crew ought to take a look at Jefferson County in Alabama.  The state is talking about calling in the National Guard because the county, home of Birmingham, is in danger of complete collapse and civil unrest.</p>
<p>Jobless recovery = alot of ticked off citizens. And frankly, I don&#8217;t think our National Guard is big enough.</p>
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		<title>By: oldmediatype</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldmediatype</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use of the word &quot;recovery&quot; is, at best, premature. The economy hasn&#039;t stopped shrinking yet. And when it does hit bottom, how long will it stay there? You can&#039;t call it a recovery until the economy starts growing. Even then, you might get a quarter of modest growth before another downturn — the so-called double dip.
But only economists would call a quarter of modest growth a &quot;recovery.&quot; With unemployment likely to continue rising for a year and a half after the &quot;recovery&quot; begins (as it has done in the past), you won&#039;t find job seekers calling it a recovery for quite some time. In addition, unlike past recessions where the economy picked up speed as people found employment, we have something more than an loss-of-income based recession. I&#039;ve heard it described as a balance sheet recession as well. People who&#039;ve lost 40% of their stock portfolio and/or 30% - 40% of their home equity won&#039;t soon be returning to their past spending levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use of the word &#8220;recovery&#8221; is, at best, premature. The economy hasn&#8217;t stopped shrinking yet. And when it does hit bottom, how long will it stay there? You can&#8217;t call it a recovery until the economy starts growing. Even then, you might get a quarter of modest growth before another downturn — the so-called double dip.<br />
But only economists would call a quarter of modest growth a &#8220;recovery.&#8221; With unemployment likely to continue rising for a year and a half after the &#8220;recovery&#8221; begins (as it has done in the past), you won&#8217;t find job seekers calling it a recovery for quite some time. In addition, unlike past recessions where the economy picked up speed as people found employment, we have something more than an loss-of-income based recession. I&#8217;ve heard it described as a balance sheet recession as well. People who&#8217;ve lost 40% of their stock portfolio and/or 30% &#8211; 40% of their home equity won&#8217;t soon be returning to their past spending levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Cash for Clunkers program will change the automobile industry&lt;/blockquote&gt; Sure, who is going to buy a new car that doesn&#039;t come with the government teats on them?</description>
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<p> Sure, who is going to buy a new car that doesn&#8217;t come with the government teats on them?</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your article was right on, linda.  america needs lots of GOOD jobs, not bailouts for bankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your article was right on, linda.  america needs lots of GOOD jobs, not bailouts for bankers.</p>
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