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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1249273</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Environmental Awareness Training...&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;for everyone....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Environmental Awareness Training&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Maybe, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;for everyone&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss H</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237762</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a report on one radio program that the Clunkers, which were at one time driveable and could be used for salvage, that are turned in are subjected to the following government mandated treatment:  

The engine is filled with a sodium salicate solution, which is a liquid below 200 degrees F.  When the car engine is started this material turns into a glass like-material, rendering the engine permanently unuseable.  Then the vehicles must be buried or otherwise destroyed.  However, this solution has been reported to be a carcinogen which will then be able to enter the ground water.  What kind of goofy program is this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a report on one radio program that the Clunkers, which were at one time driveable and could be used for salvage, that are turned in are subjected to the following government mandated treatment:  </p>
<p>The engine is filled with a sodium salicate solution, which is a liquid below 200 degrees F.  When the car engine is started this material turns into a glass like-material, rendering the engine permanently unuseable.  Then the vehicles must be buried or otherwise destroyed.  However, this solution has been reported to be a carcinogen which will then be able to enter the ground water.  What kind of goofy program is this?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237710</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The oldest a car can be is a 1990 model. Even then, it may not qualify based on the mpg. 
What would have been a smarter idea is that any car-regardless of the year- could be traded in for a better mpg provided that the ratio of old to new was improved by a designated amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The oldest a car can be is a 1990 model. Even then, it may not qualify based on the mpg.<br />
What would have been a smarter idea is that any car-regardless of the year- could be traded in for a better mpg provided that the ratio of old to new was improved by a designated amount.</p>
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		<title>By: BARB</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237621</link>
		<dc:creator>BARB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this really going to make a difference in the environment????

http://www.examiner.com/x-17827

Supporters of the Car Allowance Rebate System, the official name of the program, claim that a major component of the project is to reduce carbon emissions and to populate our roads with more fuel-efficient vehicles.  No surprisingly, this program will not move us any closer to environmental sustainability as the number of new vehicles sold will ultimately be inconsequential compared to the number of cars and trucks on our roads. Although the president and congressional Democrats will market this program as an important step toward energy efficiency and environmental awareness, neither of these conditions will actually be realized. To qualify for the incentive, a consumer need only purchase a newer vehicle which is one mile per gallon more efficient than the trade-in. Other supporters of &quot;cash for clunkers&quot; assert that our economy needs government intervention to stave off an even greater downturn.  Yet, despite what its proponents would like us to believe, this program does not produce anything.  Conversely, &quot;cash for clunkers&quot; merely takes from one segment of the economy and transfers it to another.  Everyone who takes advantage of this program does so by taking something from someone else. 



Brian Mark Weber is a professor of United States History at American Military University and professor of English at Anne Arundel Community College.   For more information, you are invited to visit www.brianmarkweber.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really going to make a difference in the environment????</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-17827" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-17827</a></p>
<p>Supporters of the Car Allowance Rebate System, the official name of the program, claim that a major component of the project is to reduce carbon emissions and to populate our roads with more fuel-efficient vehicles.  No surprisingly, this program will not move us any closer to environmental sustainability as the number of new vehicles sold will ultimately be inconsequential compared to the number of cars and trucks on our roads. Although the president and congressional Democrats will market this program as an important step toward energy efficiency and environmental awareness, neither of these conditions will actually be realized. To qualify for the incentive, a consumer need only purchase a newer vehicle which is one mile per gallon more efficient than the trade-in. Other supporters of &#8220;cash for clunkers&#8221; assert that our economy needs government intervention to stave off an even greater downturn.  Yet, despite what its proponents would like us to believe, this program does not produce anything.  Conversely, &#8220;cash for clunkers&#8221; merely takes from one segment of the economy and transfers it to another.  Everyone who takes advantage of this program does so by taking something from someone else. </p>
<p>Brian Mark Weber is a professor of United States History at American Military University and professor of English at Anne Arundel Community College.   For more information, you are invited to visit <a href="http://www.brianmarkweber.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.brianmarkweber.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Khan Krum</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237600</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan Krum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good lesson about unintended consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good lesson about unintended consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237517</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 02:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right again nom. Sorry. I said I knew little of this program, but the number error was stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right again nom. Sorry. I said I knew little of this program, but the number error was stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken in IL</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237497</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken in IL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some payouts are $3500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some payouts are $3500</p>
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		<title>By: jangles</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237461</link>
		<dc:creator>jangles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are losing it.  The purpose of this program is like the German program it was modeled on---to stimulate consumer buying of new cars and trucks #1 and get rid of older cars #2.  New cars are better for the environment in many ways---emissions, battery contents, more efficient oil use, some improvement in gas mileage etc.  Newer cars are also safer.  I don&#039;t know what you expect but this is about the only program that directly subsidizes the consumer---not Wall St, investment bankers or any of the other big guys.  WE NEED MORE PROGRAMS WHERE TAXPAYER $$$ ARE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE CONSUMER WHO PAYS THOSE TAXES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

This is the kind of program China used for its stimulus and its GDP is roaring back while ours sits in the muck.

The Glen Beck/government invasion of privacy is a different and disturbing issue and it effects the car dealer and his computer system, not the individual.  That is bad for car dealers directly and indirectly for the consumer because if the car dealer has consumer info in his computer, then the government has access to it.  This is bad.  This is the Obama/Bush government invasion of privacy run amok.  I hope it drives Obama&#039;s poll numbers down another 5 points.  But the Cash for Clunkers I think is about the only good thing for us consumers/taxpayers happening today.  And if its run poorly then make Obama take responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are losing it.  The purpose of this program is like the German program it was modeled on&#8212;to stimulate consumer buying of new cars and trucks #1 and get rid of older cars #2.  New cars are better for the environment in many ways&#8212;emissions, battery contents, more efficient oil use, some improvement in gas mileage etc.  Newer cars are also safer.  I don&#8217;t know what you expect but this is about the only program that directly subsidizes the consumer&#8212;not Wall St, investment bankers or any of the other big guys.  WE NEED MORE PROGRAMS WHERE TAXPAYER $$$ ARE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE CONSUMER WHO PAYS THOSE TAXES IN THE FIRST PLACE.</p>
<p>This is the kind of program China used for its stimulus and its GDP is roaring back while ours sits in the muck.</p>
<p>The Glen Beck/government invasion of privacy is a different and disturbing issue and it effects the car dealer and his computer system, not the individual.  That is bad for car dealers directly and indirectly for the consumer because if the car dealer has consumer info in his computer, then the government has access to it.  This is bad.  This is the Obama/Bush government invasion of privacy run amok.  I hope it drives Obama&#8217;s poll numbers down another 5 points.  But the Cash for Clunkers I think is about the only good thing for us consumers/taxpayers happening today.  And if its run poorly then make Obama take responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: jangles</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237449</link>
		<dc:creator>jangles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GET OVER IT!  It is not like the Great Depression when we were killing hogs, beef, chickens and destroying crops to rid the market place of inventory that could not be sold at any price and was driving farmers into black bankruptcy.  This is about the only part of the stimulus that is going directly to consumers up front.  You do not have to wait a year and claim a tax credit; you get help buying upfront.  Also please note that most of the foreign car makers make their cars in the US that are sold in the US:  Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, Volvo etc.  Most of the cars and trucks being bought are made here.  Even if they were not green cars, getting people into car dealerships and getting 3 billion $$$ pumped into the economic system is going to help.  It is going to help real people, not Wall St. investment bankers and wheeler dealers.  Since we live in a world economy, if it helps car manufacturers in other countries, it helps the world economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GET OVER IT!  It is not like the Great Depression when we were killing hogs, beef, chickens and destroying crops to rid the market place of inventory that could not be sold at any price and was driving farmers into black bankruptcy.  This is about the only part of the stimulus that is going directly to consumers up front.  You do not have to wait a year and claim a tax credit; you get help buying upfront.  Also please note that most of the foreign car makers make their cars in the US that are sold in the US:  Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, Volvo etc.  Most of the cars and trucks being bought are made here.  Even if they were not green cars, getting people into car dealerships and getting 3 billion $$$ pumped into the economic system is going to help.  It is going to help real people, not Wall St. investment bankers and wheeler dealers.  Since we live in a world economy, if it helps car manufacturers in other countries, it helps the world economy.</p>
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		<title>By: hokma</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237443</link>
		<dc:creator>hokma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why we CANNOT give the federal government any more power to the purse than they already have. These are people who either never ran a business or don&#039;t care.

If a hotel chain started a cash incentive program for a year for people staying at their hotel they would have to budget the money. And there would have to be an ROI on that incentive program. Suppose the budget approved ran out after only a month, what do you think the career length of that manager who proposed that plan would be?

In the cash for clunkers, morons like Chuckie Schumer or Ed Markey prove that higher education is not an indicator of intelligence. If they canot remotely project what the budget for this should be how legitimate are their projections for healthcare reform? And, since we, as taxpayers, are doling out this money for clunkers, what do we get for that money, what is the ROI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why we CANNOT give the federal government any more power to the purse than they already have. These are people who either never ran a business or don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>If a hotel chain started a cash incentive program for a year for people staying at their hotel they would have to budget the money. And there would have to be an ROI on that incentive program. Suppose the budget approved ran out after only a month, what do you think the career length of that manager who proposed that plan would be?</p>
<p>In the cash for clunkers, morons like Chuckie Schumer or Ed Markey prove that higher education is not an indicator of intelligence. If they canot remotely project what the budget for this should be how legitimate are their projections for healthcare reform? And, since we, as taxpayers, are doling out this money for clunkers, what do we get for that money, what is the ROI?</p>
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		<title>By: foxyladi14</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237387</link>
		<dc:creator>foxyladi14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with this there has to be a better way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with this there has to be a better way.</p>
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		<title>By: CG</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237278</link>
		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were in Dr. West&#039;s class?  At Princeton, Harvard or Yale? I&#039;ve read several of his books.  Before you were born there were Virginia Slims commercials touting &quot;You&#039;ve come a long way, baby [libertated woman now has a cigarette designed for a woman].&quot;  Cornel West is right, whether women able to break the highest glass ceiling, women being respected (even by their &#039;sisters&#039;), genuine LGB progress or legitimate racial progress, sadly “we have a long way to go,” my sisters, my brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were in Dr. West&#8217;s class?  At Princeton, Harvard or Yale? I&#8217;ve read several of his books.  Before you were born there were Virginia Slims commercials touting &#8220;You&#8217;ve come a long way, baby [libertated woman now has a cigarette designed for a woman].&#8221;  Cornel West is right, whether women able to break the highest glass ceiling, women being respected (even by their &#8216;sisters&#8217;), genuine LGB progress or legitimate racial progress, sadly “we have a long way to go,” my sisters, my brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Important PSA About Cars.Gov : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237271</link>
		<dc:creator>Important PSA About Cars.Gov : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is really frightening. And it is important information as a follow-up to my post about the &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program (major H/T to NQ reader, Politicalidentitycrisis for this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is really frightening. And it is important information as a follow-up to my post about the &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program (major H/T to NQ reader, Politicalidentitycrisis for this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237228</link>
		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Grumpy Guy was fun.  Here is his website:

http://www.bernardjtaylor.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Grumpy Guy was fun.  Here is his website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bernardjtaylor.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bernardjtaylor.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/29280/and-this-is-why/#comment-1237210</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.  To quote Cornel West, &quot;we have a long way to go.&quot;  

The context was abt treatment of LGB people after someone said something assholic to me in one of West&#039;s classes, but I think it is appropriate here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  To quote Cornel West, &#8220;we have a long way to go.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The context was abt treatment of LGB people after someone said something assholic to me in one of West&#8217;s classes, but I think it is appropriate here&#8230;</p>
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