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NRO points to Larry Johnson’s birth certificate questions

The National Review Online‘s Andrew McCarthy has posted a “keeper”:

Suborned in the U.S.A.:
The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty,
not where he was born.”

Casting aside the speculative pitfalls that have the left and the mainstream media pointing at “birthers” with scorn, McCarthy thoroughly and sensibly describes why the issue won’t go away. McCarthy referenced Larry’s July 26th post, The Obama Birth Certificate Controversy,”. McCarthy writes:

There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama may have wanted that suppressed for a host of reasons: issues about his citizenship, questions about his name (it’s been claimed that Obama represented in his application to the Illinois bar that he had never been known by any name other than Barack Obama), and the undermining of his (false) claim of remoteness from Islam. Is that true? I don’t know and neither do you.

Larry asserted what most parents know – that a certification of live birth isn’t the same as a birth certificate. They are separate documents. A certificate of live birth is not accepted, for example, when you enroll a child in school. The parent must have the birth certificate.

Larry noted these differences between the two:

CERTIFICATE includes the name of the hospital. The CERTIFICATION does not.

The CERTIFICATE includes the name of the attending physician. The CERTIFICATION does not.

The CERTIFICATE includes the name and address of the parents. The CERTIFICATION does not.

The CERTIFICATE includes the race of the parents and the race of the baby. The CERTIFICATION does not.

So, Larry made a few comments:

As I pointed out the other day one fact Barack did not want in front of the public was his adoption by the Indonesian muslim, Lolo Soetoro. This does not disqualify him from being President.

His name was originally recorded as BARRY not Barack.

Here’s another kicker. His race was listed as “white.” Tough to be an authentic black man when your birth certificate states you are white.

Andrew McCarthy at NRO, thought this interesting and wrote a longer piece based on Larry’s questions.

Here’s how it begins:

Throughout the 2008 campaign, Barack Hussein Obama claimed it was a “smear” to refer to him as “Barack Hussein Obama.” The candidate had initially rhapsodized over how his middle name, the name of the prophet Mohammed’s grandson, would signal a new beginning in American relations with the Muslim world. But when the nomination fight intensified, Obama decided that Islamic heritage was a net negative. So, with a media reliably uncurious about political biographies outside metropolitan Wasilla, Obama did what Obama always does: He airbrushed his personal history on the fly.

While asserting that McCarthy believes Obama is a naturally born US citizen, as does LJ, he points out that the birth certificate issue could have long ago been buried had Obama made available the complete document.

Now, let’s address motives for a moment. Are some of those demanding the full state records engaged in a futile quest to prove Obama is not a U.S. citizen? Are they on what the editors call “the hunt for a magic bullet that will make all the unpleasant complications of [Obama’s] election and presidency disappear”? Sure they are. But not everyone who wants to see the full state records falls into that category. I, for one, have very different reasons for being curious.

WHO IS THIS GUY?

Before January 20 of this year, Barack Obama had a negligible public record. He burst onto the national scene what seemed like five minutes before his election to the presidency: a first-term U.S. senator who actually served less than four years in that post — after a short time as a state legislator, some shadowy years as a “community organizer,” and scholastic terms at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard that remain shrouded in mystery. The primary qualification supporters offered for Obama’s candidacy was his compelling life story, as packaged in 850 pages’ worth of the not one but two autobiographies this seemingly unaccomplished candidate had written by the age of 45.

Yet we now know that this life story is chock full of fiction. Typical and disturbing, to take just one example, is the entirely fabricated account in Dreams from My Father of Obama’s first job after college:

Eventually a consulting house to multinational corporations agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my mid-Manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal, checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages from across the globe. As far as I could tell I was the only black man in the company, a source of shame for me but a source of considerable pride for the company’s secretarial pool. They treated me like a son, those black ladies; they told me how they expected me to run the company one day. . . . The company promoted me to the position of financial writer. I had my own office, my own secretary, money in the bank. Sometimes, coming out of an interview with Japanese financiers or German bond traders, I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors — see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand — and for a split second I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself I wanted to be and felt pangs of guilt for my lack of resolve. . . .

As the website Sweetness & Light details, this is bunk. Obama did not work at “a consulting house to multinational corporations”; it was, a then-colleague of his has related, “a small company that published newsletters on international business.” He wasn’t the only black man in the company, and he didn’t have an office, have a secretary, wear a suit and tie on the job, or conduct “interviews” with “Japanese financiers or German bond traders” — he was a junior copyeditor.

What’s unnerving about this is that it is so gratuitous. It would have made no difference to anyone curious about Obama’s life that he, like most of us, took a ho-hum entry-level job to establish himself. But Obama lies about the small things, the inconsequential things, just as he does about the important ones — depending on what he is trying to accomplish at any given time.

In the above fairy tale, he sought to frame his life as a morality play: the hero giving up the cushy life of the capitalist “enemy” for the virtues of community organizing. But we’ve seen this dance a hundred times. If Obama wants to strike a connection with graduating students in Moscow, he makes up a story about meeting his “future wife . . . in class” (Barack and Michelle Obama met at work). If he wants to posture about his poverty and struggle in America, he waxes eloquent about his single mother’s surviving on “food stamps” so she could use every cent to send him “to the best schools in the country” (Obama was raised by his maternal grandparents, who had good jobs and were able to pull strings to get him into an elite Hawaiian prep school). If he wants to tie himself to the civil-rights struggle of African Americans, he tells an audience in Selma, “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma . . . so [my parents] got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born” (Obama was born in 1961, four years before the civil-rights march in Selma — by which time his parents had divorced and his mother was planning a move to Indonesia with the second of her two non-African-American husbands). If he wants to buy a home he can’t afford, he “unwittingly” collaborates with a key fundraiser (who had been publicly reported to be under federal investigation for fraud and political corruption). If he wants to sell a phony stimulus as a job-creator, he tells the country that Caterpillar has told him the stimulus will enable the company “to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off” (Caterpillar’s CEO actually said no, “we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again”).

The fact is that Obama’s account of his background is increasingly revealed as a fabrication, not his life as lived; his utterances reflect the expediencies of the moment, not the truth. What is supposed to save the country from fraudulence of this sort is the media. Here, though, the establishment press is deep in Obama’s tank . . . Astonishingly, reporters see their job not as reporting Obama news but as debunking Obama news, or flat-out suppressing it. How many Americans know, for example, that as a sitting U.S. senator in 2006, Obama interfered in a Kenyan election, publicly ripping the incumbent government (a U.S. ally) for corruption while he was its guest and barnstorming with his preferred candidate: a Marxist now known to have made a secret agreement with Islamists to convert Kenya to sharia law, and whose supporters, upon losing the election, committed murder and mayhem, displacing thousands of Kenyans and plunging their country into utter chaos?
———

And why would Obama not welcome Hawaii’s release of any record in its possession about the facts and circumstances of his birth? Isn’t that kind of weird? It would, after all, make the whole issue go away and, if there’s nothing there, make those who’ve obsessed over it look like fools. Why should I need any better reason to be curious than Obama’s odd resistance to so obvious a resolution?

Both McCarthy and Larry offer more details about Obama’s time in Indonesia and what the likelihood is that he was adopted by Stanley Ann Dunham’s second husband. Neither feel that is an electability issue. McCarthy offers closing thoughts in the section referring to Larry’s July 26th post:

There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson — who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii — that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama may have wanted that suppressed for a host of reasons: issues about his citizenship, questions about his name (it’s been claimed that Obama represented in his application to the Illinois bar that he had never been known by any name other than Barack Obama), and the undermining of his (false) claim of remoteness from Islam. Is that true? I don’t know and neither do you.

But we should know. The point has little to do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was. The issue is: What is the true personal history of the man who has been sold to us based on nothing but his personal history? On that issue, Obama has demonstrated himself to be an unreliable source and, sadly, we can’t trust the media to get to the bottom of it. What’s wrong with saying, to a president who promised unprecedented “transparency”: Give us all the raw data and we’ll figure it out for ourselves?

Reasonable, yes. Likely? Hell no. I’d expect the “birther” issue to continue. At this point, if the document is definitively produced people can legitimately ask why it took so long. BO is in a lose / lose position as far as I can tell, but it isn’t the terrible “birthers” who put him there.

  • Clara

    The issue is getting a lot more national traction now, when it should have been cleared up long, long ago.

    PPP just released this poll, taken of all Virginians, regarding the citizenship issue. For a state that voted for Obama, this is quite astonishing to me.

    Many Virginians Doubt Obama’s Citizenship

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/31/many_virginians_doubt_obama_citizenship.html

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    [...] NRO points to Larry Johnson's birth certificate questions : NO QUARTER By LisaB While asserting that McCarthy believes Obama is a naturally born US citizen, as does LJ, he points out that the birth certificate issue could have long ago been buried had Obama made available the complete document. … NO QUARTER – http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/ [...]

  • Arabella Trefoil

    Why can’t we all just sit down with Obama and have a beer?

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    But Obama lies about the small things, the inconsequential things, just as he does about the important ones — depending on what he is trying to accomplish at any given time.

    It has always been my experience that those who lie about little things, also lie about big things and those big things are usually whoppers! These people are pathological liars who end up telling so many lies that they out themselves because they lose track of how many lies they have told!

  • Texas Playwright

    The pattern of lying is most troubling to me. The pattern of instant, ingrained lying with either no concern over the consequences or a deeply learned expectation that equally dishonest familiy, friends, colleagues, thug politicians, smarmy media, anti-American operatives hear and abroad, Wall Street fascists will continue to cover such blatant dishonesty is most troubling for our country.

    I believe bho the fraud was born in Hawaii. I believe he is an immature, narcissistic, misogynistic, homophopic, anti-American Marxist-Communist-Fascist puppet of anybody who will give him false power and adulation. He is a poseur, a usurper of our democracy. All who support his lies are liars themselves. Born in Hawaii? No big deal.
    Lying, cheating, stealing on a national level with his equally corrupt politburo, ACORN thugs, msm suckups and Dem AND Rep. toadies is a HUGE DEAL.

    Withdrawing from the Kool Aid is tough, ain’t it?

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Great coverage.

    I really enjoyed McCarthy’s article.

    “The fact is that Obama’s account of his background is increasingly revealed as a fabrication, not his life as lived; his utterances reflect the expediencies of the moment, not the truth.”

    He left out one point about Obama’s fictional narrative – his relationship with TUCC and Wright. Remember the interview with Wolffe where he said that Obama lied about being a big church goer?

    http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/good-news-obama-really-didnt-know-what.html

    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10440

    His whole life seems to be a fairy tale. Oops, was that racist?

  • Texas Playwright

    here and abroad, not “hear”

  • WMCB

    What I find hilarious in that NRO article is that if you read the comments, very few are actually discussing the points brought up in the article – i.e. that it matters that Obama has been secretive and duplicitous regarding his early life, even if you believe that he WAS born in Hawaii and is legally qualified to be president (as I do).

    No, the comments were chock full of “You are a RACIST! Go back to your KKK meeting!”

    Are there people who are conspiracy theory fruitcakes re: Obama? Yep. Just as there were those who were conspiracy theory fruitcakes over everything related to Bush (And I despised Bush). But the existence of fruitcakes did not negate and make ridiculous EVERY question about, say, Bush’s guard service, nor do they negate EVERY question about Obama’s early life and college career.

    But the response is to scream RACIST! STUPID REDNECK! to any and all criticism or examination. Brilliant. I think that the “Support Obama or you are a dirty racist” approach is going to backfire, and is already backfiring. Perhaps when he loses in 2012, his supporters can console themselves that over half the country is a filthy dirty racist. It won’t be true, of course, but it might make them feel better, and will be much preferable to admitting that it was as much their ownbehavior, hatred, and accusations that brought Obama down as anything.

  • Arabella Trefoil

    I’m waiting for Obama’s next book: “White Like Me.”

    I’ll bet his race is given as “white” on his birth certificate.

  • WMCB

    Correction, the comments were on a political wire blog referenced in the article, not the article itself.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    Well, let them all scream “racist!”. As I have said before, I am not phased if called a racist now. I just don’t care. Plus, none of my friends care either. The over use of the charge has now numbed everyone to it. You will have to find something new, bots, because no one cares about being called racist anymore. We actually like it because really what it implies now is that we are Clinton, McCain or Palin supporters and we’d much rather be racists (supporters of anything not O) than to be supporters of the Ofraud! I don’t even mind being called a birther! Birthers are patriots who just want to ensure this country is safe!

  • Diana L. C.

    I’ve lost my will to continue sending links to articles like this to all the people I know who ridiculed me for not voting for O–just as I lost the will to get my few conservative Republican friends to acknowledge Bush’s being MIA in regard to his guard duty.

    I guess I lay the blame on those “all history is lies” theorists in academia. It’s pervasive in America. As far as many are concerned, there is no truth, so they stop looking for it. There is only “narrative,” and they go for the guy who can really spin one.

  • Hg

    So Obama lies about the small things, which in reallity means he will lie about anything, even his place of birth or his true citizenship status. Even his affirmation that he is a Christian. It could possibily be he is an Islamic and if he is, does he belong to the Islamics that advocate violence and world domination or the other half (as some say)that advocates peace? Is he loyal to America or some other nation? I think it matters whether he is a fraud or not, if he is a legit president or not. I think it matters whether or not he is working toward helping another people overthrow America.

  • tango

    I want to see the “birthers” change the questions. Instead of insisting Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii or is not legally qualified by birth circumstances, move to questions about why he won’t release his birth certificate and other records that show “race, name, financial status, religion, etc”. Ask why if the documents truly prove all Obama has said about himself, why are they hidden?

    I would love a reporter to take one for the team even if it means being blackballed for the rest of Obama’s term to ask the President at his next press conference:

    What is on your long form birth certificate that is so damaging to your reputation or backstory that makes you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to fight it being released?

  • MrMike

    If Barack Obama hasn’t always been Barack Obama, does it matter?
    If he had been renamed Barry Sotero did he commit a crime when he applied to the Illinois bar?
    What about as was said applying for entrance to college or financial aid?
    If the people who saw the original birth certificate are keeping shut about the name are they complicit in any of the above crimes?
    Has a photo John McCain’s original birth certificate ever been published?
    I found what is supposed to be a copy but it is unreadable and is issued by the Panama Railroad Company?

  • Hg

    I would much prefer being called a “birther” to being called a socialist or communist or an Islamic radical dead set on imposing their religion on the entire world. But really, it is Obama and his followers who are so extremely sensitive to his birth history they are the real “birthers”. I don’t really care who in hell he is, I just want to know WHAT he is.

  • Hg

    Yeah, I don’t buy the idea that there may be something in his records that would just prove he is lieing about his past and would embarrass him. He lies every day, every time he opens his mouth. Lieing is not a problem for Obama and it doesn’t seem to embarrass him one way or the other. I believe there is something(s) in his past that would show him to potentially be a national disaster for America.

  • verminme

    Why don’t these legislators start an “I’ll show you mine if he’ll show me his” movement?

  • verminme

    Or better, say 10 legislators all show their birth certificates and they all have docor’s signatures and hospitals and so forth listed wouldn’t even an obot see the difference.

  • Diana L. C.

    He’s probably proud of his lying and getting away with it. If we use the old Christian terminolgoy, Satan is the “Father of Lies.” The fact that he lies so much should in itself cause all to be concerned about his potential as a national disaster.

  • verminme

    doctor’s

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Now THERE’S a thought, verninme – and what a concept that Obama should be held to the exact same standards as everyone else who has held this office before him. It’s amazing how little accountability there has been for Obama. Way past negligence on the part of the DNC and Congress, if you ask me…

    Thanks for the post, LisaB!

  • MrX

    There are two problems with Larry’s quote. First, if Obama was adopted, he’s not a natural born citizen. He’d be a naturalized citizen and not eligible for President.

    Also, if Obama’s father was Kenyan at the time of Obama’s birth, then Obama is not a natural born citizen, but rather naturalized through his mother’s citizenship. This law is in one of the amendments. If you obtain citizenship through a law, then you are naturalized and not eligible for President.

    I’m not a birther, but Larry needs to check his facts.

  • jbjd

    Interesting.

  • jwrjr

    It is good to see that the NRO article addresses the verifiable lies, and does not indulge in speculation.

  • Miles Mellow

    The person that said a Certification of Live Birth is not accepted to enroll a child in school is just plain wrong. In 2001, when Hawaii switched to a paperless system, they had to get Federal approval so that it would be valid for passports, drivers license, proof of birth, running for office, etc. They did.

    The granting of authority to the Department of State to issue a Passport implies that the authority to prescribe the manner in which citizenship must be proved has also been granted.

    When this authority has been granted to a federal Department or Agency, the rules that the Department or Agency will use are then promulgated as regulations. These regulations are maintained as part of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). The Department of State has issued regulations under CFR22.51.42 that state the following requirements for a citizen to prove birth in the United States:

    (a) Primary evidence of birth in the United States. A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicant’s place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.
    .
    The State of Hawaii has issued a Birth Certificate that meets all of the requirements of CFR 22.51.42. That Birth Certificate is certified by the State of Hawaii, and is considered proven by the Laws of the United States. It will be up to anyone who challenges its authenticity to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the Birth Certificate is actually invalid.

    There is a very high standard of proof that must be met in order to override the Constitutional ‘Full Faith and Credit’ standard granted to the State of Hawaii in this matter. That standard of proof would require that the complainant show proof that there was an actual fraud committed by the State of Hawaii in the certification of that Birth Certificate, or that the certificate itself was fraudulent. Either way, the burden of proof rests with the complainant. Merely making accusations that this may have happened is not sufficient.

    This would be true even if a foreign power were to present a Birth Certificate that was claimed to show birth in another country. Under the standard of ‘Full Faith and Credit’ that is specifically provided for in the Constitution, the public records of the State of Hawaii would take precedence over the public records of any foreign power. In order to meet the required burden of proof, the foreign record would not only have to be proven as true, but also the State of Hawaii’s record would have to be proven separately as false.

  • oowawa

    Oh my. This has all gotten to the point where, even if a birth certificate is produced, it will be hard to trust its authenticity. There has been too much time to produce the best facsimile that cutting edge technology and limitless money can produce. (sigh) And of course, the O camp knows that producing a full birth certificate will just open up another round of questioning and endless discussions. (sigh)

    The system for presidential qualifications and their verification MUST be clearly defined and put into law.

  • tango

    No, it won’t matter. They will decide that it’s just people picking on Obama.

    The only way this issue has real sticking power with some Obots is if someone Liberal or Democrat asks the tough question directly of Obama or his surrogate like Gates at his daily Press Conference. And it has to be a very pointed, specific question that has nothing to do with asking if he was born in Hawaii or is legally entitled to be POTUS. The question must concern Obama’s truthfulness and unwillingness to release specific actual & factual information that would end all the speculation.

    Even then, true Obots will figure the liberal person has just gone off to right wing wacko land and discount them.

  • ObamaStoleMyBirthCert

    These people are pathological liars who end up telling so many lies that they out themselves because they lose track of how many lies they have told!

    Yep NoQuarter for truth and justice all the way

  • Miles Mellow

    Mr. X

    You are WAY WRONG on the natural born citizen question. Under the English common law at the time that our Constitution was ordained and established, a ‘natural born’ subject was a person who was born on English soil, and under the jurisdiction of the king. Even a child born to an alien was considered a natural born subject as long as they were born under the jurisdiction of the king.

    The principle, Jus soli (right of the soil) was most likely brought to England by William the Conqueror after his conquest of the Britons in 1066. Jus soli had long been the rule that determined whether a person was considered ‘natural born’ by the French, and the Normans.

    The competing principle discusses in Vattel’s ‘Law of Nations’ was based on another rule that the Germanic peoples adhered to, the rule of Jus sanguinis (right of the blood). Under this principle, a persons ‘natural born’ citizenship was determined by the citizenship of his parents, or more specifically, the father.

    Any interpretation of the true meaning of the term ‘natural born citizen’, as it is meant in the context of a person’s Constitutional eligibility for the office of President of the United States, must be viewed in the light of the English common law, not on the words that were authored by a citizen from a country with a different common law view.

    The courts of the United States are required, by previous decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States, to view those words in light of their meaning under English common law at the time that the Constitution was ordained and established. That meaning has already been provided in the Wong Kim Ark case of 1898. A person who is born in the United States and under the jurisdiction of the United States is a citizen of the United States, at birth, even if both parents were aliens.

    To modify the meaning of our Constitution by using definitions that were not germane to the principles and laws that our Constitution was based on is not a true conservative principle. It is, in fact, a position that would only be taken by a radical activist.

  • jangles

    I think potus candidates should have to reveal their birth certificate just as they have to release their tax returns and medical records—now they do it by custom and expectation; it needs to be the law. If I remember right Barry would not release his medical records. He is such a fraud on such a grand scale that it is just so unbelievable, his cult does not believe—it could not be true so it is not.
    How many times have we seen truth exposed about him only to have the cult refuse to believe it? He has most of the world fooled right now. He is the Bernie Madoff of politics.

  • John Strong

    Under the English common law at the time that our Constitution was ordained and established, a ‘natural born’ subject was a person who was born on English soil, and under the jurisdiction of the king. Even a child born to an alien was considered a natural born subject as long as they were born under the jurisdiction of the king.

    The principle, Jus soli (right of the soil) was most likely brought to England by William the Conqueror after his conquest of the Britons in 1066. Jus soli had long been the rule that determined whether a person was considered ‘natural born’ by the French, and the Normans.

    The competing principle discusses in Vattel’s ‘Law of Nations’ was based on another rule that the Germanic peoples adhered to, the rule of Jus sanguinis (right of the blood). Under this principle, a persons ‘natural born’ citizenship was determined by the citizenship of his parents, or more specifically, the father.

    Any interpretation of the true meaning of the term ‘natural born citizen’, as it is meant in the context of a person’s Constitutional eligibility for the office of President of the United States, must be viewed in the light of the English common law, not on the words that were authored by a citizen from a country with a different common law view.

    The courts of the United States are required, by previous decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States, to view those words in light of their meaning under English common law at the time that the Constitution was ordained and established. That meaning has already been provided in the Wong Kim Ark case of 1898. A person who is born in the United States and under the jurisdiction of the United States is a citizen of the United States, at birth, even if both parents were aliens.

    To modify the meaning of our Constitution by using definitions that were not germane to the principles and laws that our Constitution was based on is not a true conservative principle. It is, in fact, a position that would only be taken by a radical activist.

  • jbjd

    LB, when I read that NRO article and saw LJ’s name, I was reminded, it was on this blog, last summer, that I first pointed out, there is a difference between “Certificate” and “Certification.” (Some of you might recall, I was troubled that people kept referring to BO’s “Fight the Smears” COLB as a Birth Certificate when the document clearly says Certification and so, I looked this up on the state of HI web site. Several of you urged me to contact Berg et. al, which I did. And we plastered the blogosphere with the info. Now, even the MSM appears to know the difference. But it started on this blog…)

    So, now that even Virginians strongly suspect BO sold voters a bill of goods – see Clara’s post, #1, above – can we seek redress through the courts? I had an idea…
    THEORIZING HOW TO PROVE BO IS NOT A NBC

  • http://www.commongroundpolitics.net Politics

    More than 2,000 comments/entries discussing the birth certificate saga:

    http://www.commongroundpolitics.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=41581

  • ObamaStoleMyBirthCert

    LB, when I read that NRO article and saw LJ’s name, I was reminded, it was on this blog, last summer, that I first pointed out, there is a difference between “Certificate” and “Certification.” (Some of you might recall, I was troubled that people kept referring to BO’s “Fight the Smears” COLB as a Birth Certificate when the document clearly says Certification and so, I looked this up on the state of HI web site. Several of you urged me to contact Berg et. al, which I did. And we plastered the blogosphere with the info. Now, even the MSM appears to know the difference. But it started on this blog…)

    I remember – TechDude and TexasDarlin. Whatever happened to them?

  • Peggy Sue

    This issue, framed in a different way, is really picking up steam. You don’t need the requisite tinfoil hat to question Obama’s facts vs lies of convenience because there are so many examples. In fact, it occurred to me that even in the latest health care debate, the Prez repeatedly referred to the Mayo Clinic as an example of “good medicine” [and by extension an example of the "good" practices/policies he wants to set in place], until the Mayo Clinic came out with a statement saying the plan sucked and the real losers would be the American public.

    Rather than Hussein as a middle name, Obama should consider Expediency.

    The lingering question is: Who is this man?

    And that’s why the issue has legs. Thanks for the article, Lisa.

    And it drives the Obamatrons nuts!!!

  • mel

    Bet one thing, BO must be kicking himslef for letting Bill Ayers write his book Dreams and as BO has proven by his work in politics, never even proof read it….lol

  • ObamaStoleMyBirthCert

    I remember that JB JD, all the articles by Texas Darlin and Tech Dude. Great reads. What happened to them?

  • oowawa

    Thank you, jbjd. I know you have been on the forefront of this struggle, with a clear, calm, reasoned, and legally informed approach that is much appreciated. Your website is like your posts–direct, uncluttered, and to the point. I read your article on your site, and it sure makes sense to me!

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.

  • tango

    He didn’t mind because:

    1. The book was soooo complimentary of Obama. BO sure loves to be complimented. Why mess up a good inspirational back story with the truth?

    2. Someone else wrote it so that means Obama didn’t have to do any work. Very helpful when in state Congress & national Senate. Let others do the work, take credit yourself.

  • jesslepp

    I’m sorry, but Americans seem to love a good story–collectively, we the voting public brought this on ourselves. Obama and the interests he serves analyzed our psyche, and in a scheme to push their agenda, fed a majority of us exactly what we all are hungry for. ‘If Obama/Bush/Nametheidiot can be President, perhaps I could be too.’ And we (and pop media) will protect and defend this fraud to protect our own individual fragile fantasies. The most qualified candidate was mocked by the “majority” of us, because competence and leadership threaten the notion that just anyone can be President. Thanks for your persistence, NQ. I’m not sure what the truth can accomplish in the short term, but hopefully we can avoid entrusting our country to a snakeoil salesman in the future.

  • Carmen

    The worst marxist who has raised his ugly head in the fraud administration is one of the head puppet handlers Zbigniew Brezezinski. For those not familiar with Carter’s foreign policy master just google him and read the total destruction he has been planning and implementing through many administrations.
    The man is pure evil, he is the enemy within, and is at the head of Obama.
    I am sure Larry has MUCH more detail on him than any internet article can tell you, but HE is involved in it all.

  • felizarte

    LOL! That was great Arabella. Started my day right!

  • barry bums a ciggie

    The issue is: What is the true personal history of the man who has been sold to us based on nothing but his personal history?

    He sold himself to AA that he was part of Selma. He understood vets because his uncle was part of the liberation of Auschwitz. He is a new kind of leader because he gave an anti-war speech (which no one really covered). And he is the one to reconcile the racial divide, even though he sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years.

    These are the blatant lies that he brushed off as “distractions” when brought forth. People bought into his BS and didn’t even care if the product is a cheap imitation. So here we are, another lying politician in the WH. I do have hope that as his ratings fall, the people are not going to be so understanding about his lies.

  • ObamaStoleMyBirthCert

    I thought Tech-dude started it all here?

  • jbjd

    That’s what I keep saying. Use his words against him.

  • oowawa

    O and his minions have clawed their way to the top of the political dung-heap, and they aren’t about to let anything like a birth certificate pull them down now. They’ve got the power and the money, and they will deal with this situation, no matter what the cost. The stakes are too high–WAY too high. Does anyone here think that we will EVER see the original birth certificate?

  • LisaB

    White like me. Heh. Like that!

  • LisaB

    Perhaps it depends on the state. When I enrolled my child 2 years ago, I was specifically told a certification of live birth was not acceptable as a birth certificate.

  • mel

    Here is some confusing facts that really makes the BC become even more infomative, even dispite what LJ thinks of BO being born in Hawaii.

    1st -BO’s mom and BO Sr married when she was 3 months pregnant in February.

    2nd – Birth announcement in paper proven false, address used was false as claimed by neighbor.

    3rd – BO’s mother was in Seattle less than 3 weeks after BO’s birth and applied and was accepted at U of Washington, Seattle for the January session, application required prior to start of Septemenber and friends of Stanley Dunham recall her being there and staying there until the summer of 1962 with BO Jr. and no father.

    4th – BO Sr. Leaves for Cambridge in June 1962 to attend Harvard.

    5th – BO and Mom leave Seattle and return to Hawaii in summer of 1962.

    So false birth annoncement inpaper, BO’s mom relocating to Seattle about 3 weeks after BO’s birth and never sees BO SR again, hidden long form BC all makes one wonder.

    One theory that isplausable is BO was born in Kenya as BO’s grandma claims, not forgetting the year was 1961 when travel wasn’t as it is today!

    Second, BO Sr was not BO Jr’s father and refused to have his name on the BC at BO’s time of birth and thus BO’s mom fleeing back to Seattle to get away from BO Sr. or soemone else like Frank Marshall Davis.

    Then in 1971, BO Sr returns to Hawaii for the first time since leaving, a man who was broke can afford such a trip, unless it was provided for him by BO’s grandparents, in order to have BO’s BC filled in with a father’s name. Now FYI Frank Marshall Davis was returning to prominance in 1971 in the literary world and was also starting to go through a messy divorce. So could the Dunham’s of paid BO Sr off to sign the BC so BO could obtain certain requirements to attend prominent schools in Hawaii?

    The picture passed around in the airport of BO Sr and Jr was void of BO’s mom, because she was still in Indonesia.

    The questioning on the BC is line 23, reason for late ammendments ect. what does it say that BO doesn’t want the world to know?

  • Portia Elizabeth

    LisaB — thank you for a very interesting read!

    I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t believe BO was born in Hawaii. The reason I don’t believe is that he lies about everything. If BO said the sky was blue, I’d insist on checking a color chart.

  • jbjd

    Your kind recognition of my work mean a lot to me. I have always been adept at sorting through the maze; perhaps, in this instance, I am aided by my ADD.

  • felizarte

    Ditto! Once someone accused me of being a racist and I answered: “That might be so . . . but I sure of this: I do not like you because you are obnoxious.” The guy didn’t know what to say.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    I think you’re absolutely right that a “produced” birth certificate will one day be casually dropped like a stink bomb with the comment that it was there all along. We’ll never know how many counterfeitors worked to make that BC, but I’ll never trust it to be real after so much time.

  • TeakWoodKite

    What is unfortunate about the use of pejorative term “birthers”, is it lumps all persons interested in this issue into one stereotyped group.

    I resent it’s use, as I only wish to know the factual verifiable truth. Beyond that, I am disturbed that wanting to know the truth is being made akin to a “tin-foil conspiracy”. The term is being used by authors on this site including it’s owner.

    In my humble opinion, the evidence is indicating that BO is not a constitutionally defined natural born citizen. It is acknowledged that BO lies about all manner of things big and small as to his fictional version of his life. Why would any one believe a word out of his mouth?
    I do not place blame on BO for what happened to him as a minor child, as this was beyond his control. Why has BO spent the time money and effort to seal or other wise scrub his past? Or everyone forgotten the intense effort that was made to scrub or attack contrary info?

    I am also very curious, Mr. Johnson why, if you believe BO meets the constitutional requirements for the office of POTUS, why you are pursuing the issue of the BC?

    LisaB, the speculation that BO was adopted by Soetoro prior to going to Indonesia, would indicate that there are court documents to that effect. The author does not make clear why or what information supports this speculation, since it makes a big difference what country the adoption occurred in.

  • oowawa

    I agree, Portia. And if O said the sky was red, he’d have an army of worshippers to agree with him and enough attorneys to delay litigating the matter until doomsday.

  • Arabella Trefoil

    Yep. Props to you. I remember your original posts about this issue. To my knowledge, you were the first to spot this one!

  • oowawa

    I am also very curious

    Teak, not only are you guilty of “Birtherism,” but “Curiousism” as well. I always suspected as much.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    jbjd — I just visited your site to read. I’m so glad I did. Your logical analysis is a refreshing improvement on most of what passes as reasoning. I bookmarkee your blog. Thanks for the carefully presented info.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Collision-ism as well. Guilty as charged.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I would also like to see the MSM be truthful about the real point of the birthers. They always say the issue is over Obama being a US citizen, but I dare them to start making the distinction between US citizen and Natural born citizen. They, as usual, are misrepresenting the whole point of the story!

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    This is true. States only accept the legal birth certificate.

    But, as far as Obama goes, it will be the fabrications in his life’s story that will create the downfall.

    What is truly funny is the notion that Obama and Co thought they could get away with all the obfuscation. Did they really believe that America would be so star struck that they wouldn’t ask any questions?

  • Patrick Henry

    See Teakwood..You Prove Larrys point

    Larry is right…Release of Obams Records would show His Real name of Barry Sorento which would then cause Barack much embarrassment..

    Because instead of Frequently being known as B.O.
    as you have just done..

    He would be referred to as…B.S.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    another thing that everyone should ask is this. What kind of nutcase, who has so much to hide, would seek the top job in the land???? I would think anyone seeking so much privacy would stay out of the limelight, yet BHO loves to see himself in the mirror and on tv. It is really unfortunate that in a child custody case, people are often subjected to a psychological exam and yet we don’t even require the leader if the free world (at least free for now)to release his verification of his medical and mental health. The whole thing is as crazy as I think BHO is.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Why Patrick, I like that astute observation on the change of Barry’s initials. Good one!

    LOL!

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    The MSM suddenly picking up on this issue is trying to prepare us for something to come, IMO. I’m not sure which way it’s going, but I am curious like Teak!

    I just hope it isn’t the sudden “discovery” of the real fake BC because the issue will never be put to rest then.

    Better that everyone allow the world to know BHO is a massive liar and fraud and then let the chips fall where they may!

  • oowawa

    Migosh, Patrick. We folks on NQ would NEVER refer to the President of the United States as BS, would we? Nawwwww . . .

  • jbjd

    No; they would be arguing that red is the new blue.

  • CG

    funny Sara… never before and hopefully never after will ‘fairy tale’ be racist, sheesh. There is more fiction than reality that’s for sure. And get ready to barf big time (per Mike Allen)…

    Barack Obama, as president-elect, told Dan Balz and Haynes Johnson for their new book, ‘The Battle for America 2008′: ‘I went into it with some modesty, thinking to myself: It may be that this really is all hype, and once people get a sense of my ideas and what’s going on there that they think I’m some callow youth or full of hot air, and if that turned out to be the case, that was okay. I think for me it was more of a sense of being willing to do this, understanding that the odds were probably — I gave myself 25 percent odds, you know, maybe 30 — which are pretty remarkable odds to be president of the United States, if you’re a gambling man.’

    and then there is the HBO documentary

    ‘By the People: The Election of Barack Obama,’ speech writer Jon Favreau gets an election night call from his boss. After some consultation with Obama about the victory address, Favreau inserts a line about the hard road ahead. … The project, which had its debut screening in Los Angeles on Wednesday, is among the most anticipated of all documentaries from last year because of the access they obtained by directors Amy Rice and Alicia Sams and producer Edward Norton. You see it in the backstage moments, before Obama takes the stage to massive crowd, or in the victory trek that David Axelrod and David Plouffe take from the Chicago headquarters to the candidate’s election night hotel suite, where there is a brief glimpse inside.

    Can you imagine narcistic Obama going into anything with “some modesty?” I’ll agree with Obama however that it “really is all hype,” his life and political career — pure hype.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Mel, you present evidence / timelines ;and for once I for one would like to see Mr. Johnson comment on your points as to WHY he is of the opinion that BO was born in Hawaii and a NBC.

    Respectfully, Mr. Johnson, not a single person can say with ANY legal certainty;

    1) Where BO was born.
    2) Who the sperm donor was, as listed on the BC, if any.
    3) Where the adoption of BO took place, Hawaii or Indonesia
    4) What passports were used to travel abroad to Pakistan or re-enter Hawaii.
    5) What citizenship was claimed to attend the colleges BO says he attended.

    Would it not be ironic Mr. Johnson, if indeed, you are correct in saying BO is qualified and a NBC only because Obama Sr. was not the father and the sperm donor was in fact a US Citizen, Frank Marxhell, for example?

    OT; I very much appreciate your insight, experiences and points of view and outstanding writers and effort in making NoQuarter a place where bullshit meets it’s demise.

  • inconsiderable wretch

    Yes, including Barry’s Columbia U. education (or as some would suggest “indoctrination”). It’s interesting to think that the Z. Brzezinski influence goes back that far.

  • Patrick Henry

    Thanks BUZZ..

    Anyone ever find out if Barry WAZHISNAME has passports and Draft registration and school records under his ADOPTED Name..?

    Why did He enter college under his adopted name in 1980 then change to Obama in 1981..Did He register for selective Service under another name..?

    Are there travel/Visa records..?

    Barack..WHO’S YOUR DADDY..??

  • bart

    Apparently. And it has worked.

  • tzada

    Whatever is there is known by some of the Democrats. Like someone said from the American Thinker, “they know and it must be a dozzy.”

    I don’t think it is as simple as having been listed as white. If they knew, and it is something significant than I hope they go down for it.

  • Georgia

    jbjd: You are my hero! Your carefully reasoned logic makes complete sense, and is very compelling. A huge THANK YOU! We have to be getting close; the attacks from the left and the WH are more vicious than ever. Word is getting out, and they know it. They are doing exactly what they’ve done in the past; isolate, mock, and slander those asking the questions. It’s wearing a little thin. As OB’s numbers continue to slide south, the better the opportunity to hammer this issue.

  • Thinker

    I know that Axelrod knew that people would ask questions, but they kept throwing the racist accusations around, and during the election season, it worked.

    Now people are starting to, what Meshelle says, “WAKE UP” and aren’t going to be silenced by the racists attacks. That’s gotten tired now.

  • tzada

    1) John McCain is not president. That is a none issue. He did present it to Congress for inspection by both parties.

    2) If Barry ever was his name and he did not say so on his application for the Illinois Bar then that is criminal.

    3) See above for Sotero

    4) If he applied and went to college as a foreign student then he either is foreign or he lied and that is criminal.

    5) On his own fight the smears page he said he was a British citizen until 1982.

    6) He said he registered for Selective Service in 1980. Did he? Did he register as foreign or citizen. Where is the true document for this. There are at least 3 different versions, sent to 3 different people under Freedom of Information Act.

    7) Anyone in the Democratic Party who knows and doesn’t tell might be guilty of conspiracy. Maybe more depending on how much and how bad it could be.

  • tzada

    They are counting of that 2010 census. Which is why O snagged it for being under the watch of the WH. And why it will be given to ACORN.

    After seeing them at work in the last fraud we called elections I shudder. Depending on certain factors, lines and Congressional seats will open and close.

    Watch this unfold. Let’s do better than that, lets not let it happen.

  • Thinker

    I mentioned this as well.

    This could be a posibility.

    He wrote dreams of my father about a man he barely even knew, then lied and said it was his father when it wasn’t??

    I also wonderd if Oprah will have Barry on her show ripping him to shreds like she did that Million Little Pieces guy, lol

    And yes, NQ is has always been where bullsh!t meets a demise.

    We are the un-assimilated.

    It’s amazing how this story is gaining more traction. Many of us here have been talking about this since LAST YEAR and so many bots came on here, calling us crazy,etc.

    I always knew that we would get the last “laugh” eventhough none of this is funny at all.

  • CG

    when I said that I didn’t believe that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that there was no reason to believe in Condi’s mushroom cloud everyone labeled me unpatriotic for believing we should not go to war in Iraq. That label was thrown about, as birther is thrown about now, to shame us, to cover a lie. I was guilty of curiosism then as I am now. Unfortunately not enough were curious about the lies leading into the Iraq invasion and not enough are curious about the lies to insist that Obama release his records, but damn don’t they love to shame us for being curious about obvious lies.

  • tzada

    The Taliban and the middle east mess goes in their laps too.

  • jwrjr

    Having a beer with Ozero is almost as attractive as having dinner with a lion.

  • jwrjr

    5) If he was a British citizen at any time he is disqualified to be POTUS.

  • Thinker

    I remember many of us stating how we use to dream that somehow, someway, Barry Soetoro is forced to step down and Hillary is somehow able to step in.

    Again, many bots said we were crazy, but look how things have changed??

    You never know.

  • tzada

    Remember the passport break in?

  • tzada

    Would have to be a new election. Biden would be “fruit from the poison tree” Nancy P probably would be implicated. So who would be next after Speaker of the House?

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19/key-witness-in-passport-fraud-case-fatally-shot/

    Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department’s Criminal Investigations Division.

    Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car.

    Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene.

    City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators.

  • Terry

    He said that to the Clintons, Hillary produced all of her records and somehow Barry lost his schedule of what he did and where he was in the Illinois Senate. The arrogant fool smirked and the Kool-Aid drinkers along with the MSM came running in to question why Hillary didn’t list what kind of cereal she had for breakfast. I don’t know what will cause him to finally release the documents that answer all of these questions. We already know he’s a narcissist who believes he can get away with anything. Besides, he’s now had plenty of time and plenty of money to change any document he finally produces. Who’d believe anything he shows now?

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    so bo is full of bs,lol.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    Or a jackal.

  • Peggy Sue

    Well, that’s chilling AGI. Wasn’t there another guy found dead, a member of Wright’s church as I remember? He had something to do with Sinclair’s accusations.

    My only reservations on material like this is that it eerily reminds me of the claims charging that Hillary Clinton had a hand in Vince Foster’s death.

    And I guess it’s the problem when we live a world where facts, innuendo and flat-out lies are presented with equal weight.

    Still, this info is chilling and the very fact that Harris was cooperating with a Federal investigation raises all sort of questions about the original breach. Or was this shooting entirely unrelated?

    I never did buy into the Passport Department’s “mere curiosity” excuse. This is enough to give most folks pause for sure.

  • Peggy Sue

    The spam filter gobbled my response. But this is chilling, AGI.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    It is weird isn’t it? i have no idea if they are related, and haven’t heard anything else about it.

    The gay choir leader from Wright’s church was murdered.

  • Deb4Truth

    Credit where it’s due, No Quarter.

    TexasDarlin was first with theory of Indonesian adoption and amended BC. A year ago:

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I would have to do some research so right now just say its rumor..but at the time it made me go WHAT

    When Larry Sinclair got arrested at the Press Club the warrant was either from Joe Biden’s Son’s office or signed by Biden’s son…

    I remember thinking ok what is Biden’s prize.
    I didn’t think anything more of it until Biden got chosen by Obama for VP.

    Now every time Biden eats his foot I am reminded of Sinclair’s arrest.
    Evenwith excluding Hillary there were far more Dems, who were BETTER qualified to be VP.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy
  • Terry

    The truly depressing thing is that all of these lies were documented by people on blogs like this throughout the campaign, and those of us who wrote about them were called all kinds of names. I had a list of over 50 lies 0 told to get himself elected. I sent the list to all of the convention delegates and was ridiculed by the people who were supposed to care about things like this. It was–and still is–some mighty strong Kool-Aid.

  • Terry

    No, he’d just dismiss the case as he did with the Black Panthers, another of his fishy sleights of hand:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/31/lawmakers-seek-refiling-of-panther-case/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_photo_feature

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    http://dcshrines.blogspot.com/2008/05/lieutenant-quarles-harris-jr-shrine.html

    the second commenter is right. you have to go around the corner to get the right angle on the gas station, but the pole where the bears are tied is blurred on google.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    it may be the crime AND the cover-up. LJ or anyone else has no basis to assert that BO was born in Hawaii, or anywhere else. We don’t know where he was born. he may have been born in hawaii, or he may not have; who knows? until he produces definitive proof, nobody knows, and the fact the he is working so hard to cover up the evidence, makes it all the more likely that there is something very damaging there.

  • mel

    I am going to throw in one other tidbit that hasn’t been taken to task by the media or anyone else.

    In one of Bill Ayers writings, he states that he and Dohrn vacationed in Hawaii every year since 1970. Ok, the draw of the Hawaian Islands is one thing, but these are radical undergrounders who lived at the time in a network of communist sympathizers while avoiding the law. Frank Marshall Davis (former prominant Chicago activist) was such a communist who all of a sudden started regaining notority in 1971, a year after the two domestic terrorists started vacationing in Hawaii every year and the year before Ayers father help establish the Black Historical Museum in South Chicago. Davis’s communist organization also helped funded the Weather Underground.

    So asking when did Obama meet Ayers, likely in Hawaii visa vie Davis in the 1970′s, who just also happened to be very good friends with BO’s grandparents and drinking buddy of BO’s grandfather.

    This leaves a question, who aided Obama get into Columbia and why is Obama’s file at Columia under lock and key, could it be he was sponsored or had a letter of recommendation from Ayers or Dorhn in his application and thus doesn’t want this exposed, considering the year before BO went to Columbia, Ayers was cleared of all charges?

    Do not forget something, BO was toting his desire to become Presdient since grade 3, what better way for communist travellers to begin molding someone for such a thing, which Ayers being linked to everything rich and dirty in Chicago and Davis being pssibly BO’s real father, but having a nice story of a surrogate father in BO Sr., what a perfect story to tell the Axelrod way isn’t it?

  • FrenchNail

    Such argumentation would be valid, but for the recorded fact that several Founding Fathers (Franklin, Madison and others) specifically refer to the Laws of Nations on the question, making it their reference of record. Also the “soil” criteria would allow British citizen to be elected POTUS, and you do not have to be an Historian to understand that they were trying to avoid just that.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Larry did credit TD last year. LJ and TD had a falling out, but I am a big fan of TD.

    I don’t know if all of LJ’s theories come from this, or is he has his own sources. That, I can’t tell you.

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/16/will-barry-soetoro-be-a-problem-for-barack/

    If you are talking about giving credit, you should include the names of the guy who wrote that article, and developed the theory (with TD) on TD’s site, Judah Benjamin.

  • lorac

    But his original BC would never say Soetero, as his mother hadn’t met Soetero yet. If Soetero adopted him here, when BO was 4, a revised BC might say Soetero, but I don’t think that would be so embarrassing, as it would be understandable.

    And as far as the theory that BO Sr might not have allowed his name on the BC – can’t new mothers basically write whatever name under “father” as they want?

    The other thing I still don’t understand – does the long-form Hawaiian BC have a space for child’s race? Maybe it’s different depending on state, but my BC sure doesn’t – it has a space for mother’s race and father’s race, but nothing for the child. So I’m not understanding why people are thinking that BO’s BC says he is white….

  • J.J. (The PUMA)

    Bullshit meets it demise????

    I come to No Quarter because it is where bullshit reaches critical mass.

  • J.J. (The PUMA)

    Obama is the most mysterious person to come along since Lee Harvey Oswald.

  • Wisewoman

    “If he wants to tie himself to the civil-rights struggle of African Americans, he tells an audience in Selma, “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma . . . so [my parents] got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born” (Obama was born in 1961, four years before the civil-rights march in Selma”.

    The most egregious thing about the statement is that Obama made it from the pulpit of a church early during the primary campaign. Although I am an AA woman who actually marched with Dr. King, when I found out Obama was born 4 years before and he issued this lie with a straight face from the pulpit, I decided right then and there to cast my vote against the LIAR and I will never ever support him. If he could lie about so important an historical event from the pulpit he would lie about anything.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Isn’t it ironic that we know more about the pedigree of his dog than we do about the POtuS?

  • Wisewoman

    Since my comments did not post I decided to reword them because this is important for people to know. When Obama made the comments about his parents and Selma, he made them from the pulpit of a church and the people cheered. When I found out that these were false statements, as an AA I decided i could not vote for him then, now or ever. Making these false statements from the pulpit is frightening as to how far he will go.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    I couldn’t get a passport without the real thing, complete with an embossed seal from the state of Texas.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    If we couldn’t stop it under Bush’s watch, how can we fight back against the Fraud Machine that is BO?

  • Wisewoman

    Forgot to add that the media found out early that these were false statements about Selma and successfully hid this fact from the public by not reporting it. Saw Chris Matthew hem and haw and tried to say thst Obama was speaking metaphorically. Fox was also complicit in that at the time they thought Hillary would be harder to beat so they were silent also. Later the Obama campaign accusations about Hillary being a l-ar would not have had much impact if this story had been well reported.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I was part of the Civil Rights as a Teen, so his Selma tale had me wondering.

    First time I heard it I’m going wait he’s how old and Im this old. Someone has a problem with dates and Math and I knew it wasnt me.

    This was not the first time I went Wait and it wasnt the last as most of us have seen.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Wow! Those are very interesting and provocative possibilities! I still believe that some day someone will be able to connect all the dots and then we’ll all see who That One really is.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Wisewoman — I didn’t know his comments came from a church pulpit, but after I read his book, I was angry that the media didn’t call him on his lies. To know that he had no qualms about standing up in God’s House and lying to people just to pander, seriously compounds the wrong he did. I believe he will answer for that one day.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Patrick Henry, true to form, your point was made like a special-ops sharp shooter. (all branches represent)

    Instead of the preferable embarrassing truth we have the deceit of fraudulent lies.

    It is not that I disagree with LJ, as to the question of “what’s in a name”, or the lies being hoisted on the A-beer-ican people.

    I will not be conveniently labeled as belonging to a “group” because of a “simple” and principled conclusion that crimes against the Constitution are being committed by the very same individuals that would criticize Bush for the same.

  • Wisewoman

    Portia. It really hurt me that he was allowed to get away with such a lie. At the time Blacks were overwhelmingly supporting Hillary and were questioning his “blackness”. Hillary had given a rousing speech at the same place and he must have decided that he had to do a one upper so he lied and tried to infer that she could’nt know the feeling of blacks because she was white. He put it in hidden terms but it was there. Thus began his race-baiting journey to gain the black vote. Before this he was not getting any traction. He used every occcasion after that to imply that every statement Hillary made had some negative racial overtones (e.g. in playing up the role of leadership in a president she talked about Johnson passing the civil rights laws). The race pimps (Jessie Jackson, James clyburn, Sharpton, etc. came to his defense every time. I am ashamed that my people could not see through this fraud as I did.

  • Wisewoman

    And Portia, being from the deep south every time I hear him try to use race as a hammer (Gates vs. sgt Crowley, etc.) he reminds me of a reverse George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Jim Eastling, etc.

  • TeakWoodKite

    From what I have read, I am of the opinion that Bill Ayers and Dorhn met BO as a teenager in Hawaii.

    The pattern of BO following Ayers to the same locations are one for one.

    BO went to San Diego where Ayers was earlier, he went to NYC where Ayers had gone, Ayers went back to Chicago and so did BO, and walla they become involved in the same community of people as was true in NYC Columbia and Hawaii.

    The other piece that is not mentioned often is what historical relationships Ann Dunham had when involved in banking profession. These contacts played a roll while BO was in NYC.

    How would have Bresinsky become aware of BO enough to make a mental note?

    All this gets back to BO going to Harvard after living in the TUCC and the St.Sabina state of mind.

    What does this have to do with his name being Barry or Barrak? Depends when and where you met him.

  • Georgia

    Tks for posting this. I remembered reading something like this also.

  • CG

    Thank you Wisewoman for your sage thoughts. Frankly it is stunning that no one in the media nor any prominent leaders would address this lie. There was a consistent pattern throughout the campaign and to this day for all of them to have Obama’s back, to do his battles for him, to cover for his lies and minimize his faults, and ignore his unscrupulous dealings with Rezco and other Chicago figures, for the powerful hatred of Hillary and for the promise of history, for if not Obama then who? It really was something unforgivable… When I hear talk from these same people of vicious campaign tactics and the machine that Hillary had, I want to gag, as Obama employed worse tactics and machinery by far, even cut throat and mean in his Illinois campaigns.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Ok I am not feeling too easy now…But thanks for the information.

    So did this guy see something he should not have or take a screen shot of something he should not have.

    Obama–Mother is dead
    Father is dead
    Both American Grandparents are dead
    Step Fatter is dead

    Ok there are about a dozen or so people that say they knew Obama when.
    One Kenya Aunt is here illegally
    Kenya Grandma says she say him born
    Kenya step brother living in poverty ???

    I’m sorry but there is so little we know about him…

    Heck all other presidents have had people stepping out telling crazy, nice and funny tales about them. Schoolmates, college mates, army mates, neighbor hood friends, but with Obama??

  • elise

    He is a pathological liar. This is my sincere belief not an emotional reaction. The day I saw and heard his statement about Auschwitz, I knew this was true.

    Watching the press make excuses or try to explain what he really meant, has been a curiouly sad experience.

  • NYCgirl

    Order of succession after US President:

    VP Biden
    Speaker Pelosi
    President Pro Tempore of Senate Robert Byrd
    SOS Hillary Clinton

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Every time I hear any one’s unjustifiable use of the race card I want to cry for all the people that fought so valiantly in the 60s. To me it almost feels like they are stomping on MLKs grave.

    There is still a lot of discrimination in the world and race is one of the biggest discriminations. Yet whenever someone calls wolf the more people end up tuning out the real calls for help with racism and/or discrimination.

  • Gotown

    Found this comment by Flo-666
    Sure there’s evidence that Obama’s not a natural born citizen. He was turned down for US. financial aid when he went to undergraduate school. He got a letter from the US. Department of Education saying he was unintitiled to the Federal aid because he wasn’t a US. citizen. This letter was signed by the Dept. of Education Secretary during the Reagan administration. Obama’s picture on NNDB website was the picture he sent to his undergrad. school when he did the whole application package, including his financial aid form. That’s why his school sealed his records – they can either eat from the trough or be threatened by his imperial presidency by losing all their government aid (research dollars) from divulging this information.
    The Directors of the FBI and the CIA are responsible for controlling who gets the ciphers to read classified information. The Director of the FBI guards the ciphers – like the one for reading the nuclear code. If Obama threatens the CIA Director and tries to politicize the CIA, the FBI Director will just sit, sit, and sit some more on the ciphers until Obama produces a vault copy of his birth certificate (which he doesn’t have). One of the former CIA Directors had the Dept. of Education financial aid letter investigated and certified that it was authentic, but Obama can punish him if he speaks out by putting him on trial for alleged war crimes. He’s innocent, but he would have to use his life savings to defend himself.
    The Director of the FBI refuses to have his agency politicized, so if he sits on the ciphers and Obama as an acct of spite tries to fire him, he will just release the information to the public. All of this is going behind the scenes, but if you see Obama clearly not discussing certain topics like Iran during a press conference, that means he is *uninformed* for a reason…
    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/2008-presidential-election/TNBORUA0OLNPVF9RM

  • elise

    Miles, your legal argument does not address the issue of adoption and that information is not covered by “Full Faith and Credit”. I’m not sure why you site it since reciprocity is not granted by all states in license to practice law, medicine, nursing and other professions. It isn’t that simple and a good example is the refusal of some states to recognize same sex marriage license from other states where it is legal.

    There is accepted proof of Obama’s registration for school in Indonesia under a different name. He has never denied it and in his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, he refers to himself as “Barry”.

    This link was posted by AIG on another thread, but it bears repeating.

    http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf

    According to this registration of attorney’s in IL, Obama never used another name. That information is obtained from the Bar Association. Either either lied or someone made an error in recording the information. He is no longer a member of the Bar which he claims is due to the fee. His last year as a member was 2008, two years after he was elected to the US Senate. According to his income tax returns for 2008, he and his wife’s combined income was more than $2mil.

    I’d like to see a poll of lawyers who have “voluntarily” relinquished their license to practice. I want to understand why a person would study so many years and achieve the honor of being selected as Editor of the Harvard Law Review, makes more than enough money to pay the fees and then chooses to disrespect his accomplishments out of concern for the relatively small fee.

  • Senneth

    Thank you, jbjd, for all your work. I’ve been reading your comments and website since it first began and you pointed out the difference between certification and certificate.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    spot on, TWK.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    word, Portia. i don’t believe a word that that Empty-suited Fraud says.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    the more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Wow I cannot believe what I was just directed to.

    Everyone needs to take a look at this. Either its one of the greatest forgeries around or its

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/03118509265

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    how did you find that?

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy
  • ConfusedAmerican

    at another site…so just cked it out and fell on the floor.
    looks just as authentic and the Hawaiian

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    do you have the link?

    It does look real, but photoshop is so good nowadays. That is why I never trusted the COLB – that is SO easily re-creatable.

    I am trying to figure out why the date on the bottom would be February 1964… that makes me think someone changed the above info, but couldn’t where the signature is, because the name crosses the date.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    the person’s file contains copies of some legal papers filed 08/01/09
    from a Dr Orly Taiz Attorney ???
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018712/03118509264

    Which is also an interesting — Still reading.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    ok, this is interesting… Is that legal doc saying Hillary had knowledge of this info? I can’t understand the legal mumbojumbo.

  • Chelsea Patriot

    Women are never elected to head Empires; Women who command Empires arrive there by succession.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I am in same shoes as you…legal jargon is over my head
    Isnt this Attorney guy one of the players in
    BC suits

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Orly is the one who was representing the soldier. She has a few lawsuits going, I believe.

    Did you see this on freepers? I am searching for info on this, to understand the hillary part.

    Personally, I always thought she had ops teams out searching for info, and figured she knew all about Wright, Ayers, and more. That is why I am curious as to what this means with her name in the lawsuit – like she had info about this.

    Scandals are fun ! haha

    Could you imagine if this were real! crazy!

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    reading it a few more times, it seems maybe that Hillary is named only because she is SOS, and the info they want needs to come from her Dept.??

    I should have gone to law school! haha

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Friend said they saw at the Berg site

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    thanks, will go look.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Ok what I am about to write is what I call my Twilight Land — For I keep telling myself it cant be possible in America.

    If this stuff is real, chalk it up to some really good Lawyers, Chicago Politics and a lot 007 Agent material or Manchurian Candidate stuff…
    Look at the people behind Obama–People with some wierd reps
    Look at the people who know him-Mostly dead and the American public knows barely anything
    Look at how quickly records got sealed once he started maybe head way

    Ok now I am going to try and return myself to reality I hope before I get any scared.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    i can’t find anything current on his site.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Go down to where it says join blog and then look for weekly blogs I think the site is Obamacrimes.

    Hey wouldn’t we all like to have some of the knowledge lawyers have. Hey why do you think most of us don’t understand the Bills going through..
    It was no joke I bet for most of our Reps to need a Lawyer to plow through the health care bill.
    If any of this mess is true, its probably due to clever corrupt and dishonest lawyers.

    This is one time I think Larry’s take might be good.

  • Dee Fatouros

    AMEN!!

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I sent him your info.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    god, that site is a nightmare… haha talk about non user friendly. i couldn’t find anything there, to messy for my liking.

    I emailed larry your links, but yahoo isn’t sending the emails through.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    The site might be nightmare to you. but it is and has been hit by people pulling it down more often than it should be.

    Just recently, months after the election the servers got screwed with and they were playing H3LL to get it back up. Hey remember during the election this site got hit a few times.

    Its a good site with good people, but as we know most feel the “birthers” are crazy.

    I want to believe that the man in the Oval office is legal, yet since I have questions I guess I’m crazy.
    However it’s just too strange all the records we have not seen, especially the records that other candidates brought forth.
    McCain, Palin and Hillary brought forth all their medical records. I heard McCain’s was a very extensive read, but they were brought out.
    When asked McCain brought out his Long Form BC not once but twice. It can still be found on the internet. Apparently campaign funds were used for lawyers that shot down some of the BC suits; over 1/2 a million or more.

    Every day I pray that the worse nightmare part of the Obama BC controversy is not true. Every day the pool of people questioning the BC issue grows.

    If Obama would just show his BC then there would be no questions. But Obama Won’t WHY?

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    figures…

    I tried to find the info, but it was just too messy. i think i have web site ADD. I like things nice and easy, and orderly. :O)

    Thanks for sharing those links! if yahoo ever delivers my emails, i would love to know LJ’s take.

    interesting that i send some emails and they go, but ones about this story are stuck. coincidence?

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Maybe we fried our puter by going to that site.

    Nah I dont think so…
    But Yahoo is hooking up with MSN and that might be the reason. I have notice a bit of a slowdown on my emails too.

  • Papoose

    Yep, TD did all the work and got the hook for being “high maintenance”.

    Oh, now its relevant.

  • Papoose

    Remember the plumbers at the Watergate? Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatric records?

    The passport break-in was an inside job and there is a dead witness.

    ho hum. What did you know and when did you know it?

  • ConfusedAmerican

    The February date I think you are talking about looks like it could be the date a copy of this documetation was asked for.
    It seems to be much like the Hawaiian one.
    They are both saying that the informtion is on file.
    The Kenyan one is saying that February was when the information was asked for. Could it have been asked for adoption purposes or passport purposes.
    Is there a connection to all the passport breakins last year and death this year..

  • mel

    Hillary is only named because she is SOS and the State Dept is the only branch able to obtain the information that Orly seeks from this petition from Kenya.

  • Fred

    Same here. I could not get a passport for my 17 year old two years ago with a local (county) certification and had to get a state certificate of birth. The passport certifier was very nice about it but very firm.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I think you have that right Mel. I think that Hillary is the one totally in charge of the passport information and etc.

    What is a bit scary is that just maybe this might be connected to the passport mess last year, along with the murder of a key witness this year.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I got my BC from the county seat I was born in. I then presented it to the guy at the post office. He checked my papers and we sent them in. about 3 or 4 weeks later(I expedited mine) I got my passport and original BC back.

    Here is some passport information that pertains to the matter. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/passport_no_record.htm

    Yes this is information from Orly Taitz’s site but its is the real screen shot.
    Found it at Taitz’s site when I was turned on to Keyan registration of birth that has just surfaced.

  • Georgia

    I’ve wondered that all along. You’all need to read this. Here is an quote:
    “If Obama is going to cause the destruction of America and Israel, I at least want to know that he was constitutionally empowered as a “Natural Born Citizen” serving as President of the United States to destroy us. I hate to think all this could have been prevented by some state official somewhere doing their job and asking to see proof that Obama was eligible to run for office. That never happened.”

    http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13140:is-barack-obama-eligible-to-be-president-and-who-is-trying-to-find-out-if-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen&catid=71:world-news&Itemid=201

    This story starting to have legs overseas!

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Just pointed out to me and I checked.

    For all of you that have a copy of your BC. Look at the bottom of your BC.

    At the bottom you will find the date that you got the copy.

    Mine is 2003 (ok that is about 50-60 years after I was born) LOL.

    Divorce for Obama Sr and Stanley was in 94?? I think. Did someone need BC for divorce?

    Or like I said below. Did someone need BC for passport or adoption.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    The whole article is a really interesting read. Thank you Georgia for bringing it over to this thread.

    Hey Bush was a Bad President, and I felt he was a bit on the Dumb size. However at least I felt he at least met the eligibility requirements.

    Ok some say he stole the elections. Well many here know Obama was on the up and up on winning either.

    SO my point is, maybe they were both crooks in the way they won but at least we knew Bush was legally eligible.

  • Georgia

    I agree about Bush not being the sharpest tool in the shed but I believe he wanted to defend and protect. I don’t think that is OB’s agenda! quite the opposite

  • Georgia

    On page 3 of 8 it refers to the murder…

  • Georgia
  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    being one that doesn’t think he was born in Kenya, I still find it fun/interesting. I suspect this will turn out to be a photoshopped doc, it will still be interesting to watch unfold!

  • TeakWoodKite

    The Document is a “Kenyan Document”

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    they covered it on the news in italy.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    If it is a photo shopped, its a bit more difficult one than the Hawaiian one.

    But to me it at least says…See Obama what is out there…Now show your original or ???

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    yes, it is. i have made three versions of teh obama COLB. easy as pie to fake. That is why I never believed it, especially because it first appeared on Kos.

    The second one is trickier, but could be accomplished.

    Look at how good this one is:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ItTmDlhApFQ/SmscKiC1YNI/AAAAAAAAAJo/nFZWrCdnLUg/s1600-h/birth_certificate_2-1.jpg

  • Georgia

    You know what AG, I don’t know what to believe except OB is hiding something!

  • mel

    Confused, in December 1963 Kenya broke from British rule and enabled their own constitution. In their new constitution, Section 86 to 88, you had to declare your citizenship and BO Sr. was in Harvard at the time, so to claim for a new Kenyan passport he needed to have his citizenship declared ASAP, otherwise BO Sr would have lost his status as a Kenyan and would have been declared a British citizen, losing his special status enrollment at Harvard for the fall semester. Included in applying for a passport is listing and providng children under the age of 16 in the application, thus the Feb date on the registration form.

    Even though Kenya broke from British rule on Dec 12, 1963, they were processing for the new Republic of Kenya the next day even though official independance and name did not take place until later in 1964.

    This leads to one other posability that everyone is making claims over, the 1981 Pakistan trip by BO, for him it was easier to obtain a Kenyan passport than an Indonesian one from the Kenyan consulate in NYC and in 1981 Kenya had no travel restrictions to Pakistan nor visa requirements.

    It also leads to BO getting into Harvard on the legacy program, holding a BC and Passport from Kenya. Because BO would have been over the age of 23, if he had dual citizenship, to obtain a Kenyan passport he would have had to renounce all other nationalities.

  • HARP

    Well that settles it. Mickey Mouse is certainly qualified to be President.

  • Georgia

    Wow mel…that really fits. If he had a Kenyan passport, in what manor would he have had to renounce other nationalities?

  • mel

    Why not, Goofy already sits in the WH Harp!

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Looks like World News thinks there is some merit to the BC.
    “Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

  • Georgia

    I saw it to…. send to Drudge

  • mel

    One tid-bit on this form, BO Sr was Islamic and Ann Dunhan was Agnostic, so why is it a form providing a Christian name for BO Jr.?

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Ok need help on a question to do with this issue. Kenya gained its independence in December 12, 1963 yet wasnt declared republic until December 12, 1964.

    Would Kenya be issueing documents as the Republic of Kenya…Guess I need a historian.

    WND says that “WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

  • mel

    Doesn’t say Georgia, guess would be surrending all other citizenships like passports ect.

    Hope it isn’t swearing on a bible, we all know how BO is regarding that, after all he is the pathological lying POTUS, from Selma to Moscow…..lol

  • ConfusedAmerican

    That is what the form is asking for.
    The form is asking for the “Christian Name(s)”

    Trying to dig back in my memory but I think that was a term used instead of given name. Remember they had just broken away from British rule.

  • mel

    answered that up above Confused. Can’t repost it, won’t let me……lol

  • mel

    Don’t think it really matters since WDN compared it to other certificates of the day as being the same forms.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    that sounds about right to me, that if they were british, i think they would gave said *christian name* which is now *given name*. (but that is a guess…)

  • mel

    plus 78% of the poulation of Kenya is Christian is likely the reason of the form being as it is.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Mel you have any place I can get a backup reference for that…
    Hey I believe you but have a few who want proof that that is not the problem with the new BC.

    Hey that new BC could be fraud…But lets find the real reason why…

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    agreed.

  • mel

    the constitution of Kenya is in pdf form download here Confused:

    http://www.geocities.com/ncrwcc/TheCurrentConstitutionofKenya.pdf

  • ConfusedAmerican

    ty mei I think been reading so many documents that this ought to really scramble my brain up.

  • mel

    There was another place that showed a 1963 Kenyan passport issued in January of 1964 and the cover said “Republic of Kenya” on it, can’t remember where or how I found it, still looking.

  • mel

    opps, top should be 1964 Kenyan passport

  • mary

    jwr…

    No way, a lion. Having a beer with OEmpty Suit-in-Chief is like having a beer with a FLY! Slimey,needle-head-brained, you don’t know where it’s been, and likely to carry contagious germs…

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I got to the point where I wondered if Obama knew where the truth began anymore.

    Obama told so many stories that I dont think he realizes he is lying anymore.

  • mary

    Obummer lies about things small and big because of his….confused sexual identity.

    Read LARRY SINCLAIR’S new book “Sex, Lies, Murder…” Zero has had a very unstable childhood that left him with an obvious discomfort (even subliminal Hatred) against his mother who abandoned him. He’s been looking for neighbourhood gangs if he weren’t into books–thanks to Ann Dunham’s influence. However, unfortunate as it was, his grandpa left him in the devices of Porn-King (book: Sexual Slaves is a pedophile’s bible) Frand Marshal Davis to grow up in poisoned environment. Then, meeting Michele and attending Jermemnia’s Crazy Church of Whitey-Hatred finished the job.

    Why else would he, as a sitting Senator, in 2006-07 go to Kenya to actively promote with Dick Morris his ‘cousin’ Luo ODINGA, the thorn on the side of hte then Presidne of Kenya who told BBC that “the young, immature Senator from the States has no business interfering in my country’s politics…he’s promoting turmoil and SHARIA LAW for KENYA…”
    Why did no one bring htis up. Enough to have disqualified him as Pres. Candidate in the eyes of the sane electorate not sold by the bought media slimebags…

    150 women and thousands of girls were murdered/raped while 55 churches were burned to the ground by OBAMA’S ‘LUO COUSIN’ ODINGA. When are we going to learn of the MILLION REFUGEES IN KENYA, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THANKS TO OBAMA?

  • mary

    Yes! At least at No Quarter we are able to view alternative views.
    The mainstream media has failed us all! Shame!

    Thanks Larry Johnson and the No Quarter posters, readers…I may not always agree, but you are clear-headed and take No Quarter from media morons!

  • Patrick Henry

    Now That Kenyan document is Interesting…Looks more real than Obamas certificate of Live Birth..

    THANKS for the Link

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I have what I call my levelheaded rational questions—Even though Obama is a horrid president, like Larry wonder what Obama is hiding

    Then there is getting into a bit of Twilight Zone(scary place)–Obama has pulled one of the biggest hoaxes on America. Like this Kenya BC that just popped up.

    Then there is my Outer Limits Zone (Very Very Very Scary Place). Obama not only has pulled one of the biggest hoaxes on America, he was part of leaving a few bodies around who are no longer breathing. (Larry Sinclair).

    I think the middle is bad enough but just pray that the Outer Limits is not true.

    But similar to an Australian reporter I think it would be nice to know the guy screwing up our country is legally eligible to be president.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    The Kenya one sure does and I have a feeling it would not be as easy to photo shop as the Hawaiian.
    Ok break time this is getting a bit on the EERIE Side.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I feel a nightmare coming on. They will present 50 fake BCs and the real one will be inserted as a fake to show that BHO won’t release his because too many people are making fake BCs, or something to that effect. If this hadn’t gone on so long, we could have gotten some truth. Now we most likely never will!

    And the cover up continues…

  • mary

    yes.

    2012 — ANYONE BUT OBAMA…the movement has begun.

    Hillary 2012 — if the world’s fortunate enough!

  • mary

    tango

    WHO’S PAYING FOR $755,000 LEGAL BILLS FOR OBAMA TO FIGHT PHILIP BERG, ex-DEPUTY ATT. GENERAL, PA., lawsuits (4)?

    Rezko? Auchi? The me-kid can’t afford this on his Presidential salary,can he?!! Doubt it.
    If the DNC is paying, why?

  • Patrick Henry

    Which ALL means that Obama’s Kenya Relative told the TRUTH that they were there in KENYA when Barack was Born there.. (Documented) which means baracks mother ANN flew on Routes to get get to Kenya for Baracks birth ..then Flew to Seattle three weeks later where her Friends saw her with BABY Barack..(Documented) and about the Right Time for a Woman to travel AFTER giving Birth..I Then suspect Her travel routes were through SeATTLE because there probably are NO Direct Flights from Kenya to Hawaii ..at least at That time..so then it was Back to Hawaii from Seattle
    after Barack was Born…

    The testimony and Documented records and Events now make this scenario More Likely..

    So all that would be documented on ANN’s passport and probably in other Records..British and American..Visa’s..tickets..etc..

    Very interesting Stuff..

  • mary

    John Strong

    Excellent historically correct article, but for strictly legal interpretations and arguments with respect to this litigious issue for which Obama has incurred upwards $800,000 legal fees, I strong-ly recommend that you read all pages of:

    Philip Berg’s lawsuit against

    Barry Soetoro
    aka Barry Dunham
    aka Barack Obama
    aka Barack Barry Obama
    aka Barry Dunham;

    One of the lawsuits was filed by a retired Colonel of the U.S. Army and the Supreme Court is to hear one of the arguments that’s still pending. Please take the time to read these for the strictly legalistic interpretation of the facts that lend themselves to a rather broader interpretation than the one you are advocating herein.
    Thanks
    M

  • Georgia

    ROTFLMAO

  • standard

    At some point, the Republi-cons will bite him in the butt with it.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yes, very interesting indeed. If this scenario is the truth……what then? How would we procede?

    Obama would knowingly be in direct violation of the document and laws that he swore to uphold. Should he be impeached? If he was always ineligible, would impeachment be necessary, couldn’t he simply be arrested? Who would be leading the country while he sat in jail? It could take some time to identify and gather all of the charges that could be leveled against him. Did the Framers create a remedy for such an unimaginable possibility? I doubt it, because I doubt that the Framers would ever have considered that an America hating fraud could ever slide through what should be the most vigorous and extensive vetting process known to man.

    I know that there are laws that can be violated by inaction or negligence. Doctors must by law report suspected child abuse, they can’t simply ignore it. It would be nice if there were similar laws that could be applied to the intentional negligence that the MSM was guilty of with their reporting and investigating (lack of it) of Obama. It would please me deeply to see Obama have the company of many worthless journalists on the perp-walk to jail. Devine justice would demand it.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    i think that there’s no doubt that BO and Ayres go way back together.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “Oh Toodles!”

  • ConfusedAmerican

    While traveling on a trip the beginning of last week I was flipping radio stations. A news commentator was talking about the BC issue.

    HE said that even if it was true that Obama was not born in America NO judge would DARE unseat Obama.

    It was a conservative (he called himself conservative). male news commentator who has a Hispanic name cant remember.

  • Regina

    I appreciate your post but what planet is your brain residing?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yes, I’ve heard similar statements from other media types, like Medved. And they may be correct about the cowardice of judges, nobody wants to be remembered as the first to throw a glob of mud into the Savior’s eye. I think the same reluctance by the MSM is the main reason nobody went for Obama’s jugular.

    Essentially, Obama may have lied and cheated, but he won fair and square (the contradiction is intentional). I’m afraid that the most that would be done about it is to attach an asterix next to his name in history books, designating the first non-citizen President.

  • Daisyjane

    There is a PUMA on FreeRepublic who got an email reply from Hawaii:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302965/posts

    You can see her article posting history here:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:misstickly/index

    This is her participation and replies in the forums:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:misstickly/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

    Far as the BC post, you can’t miss it. There are more than 3500 replies:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I am very confused trying to figure out what she is saying…

    My mom was adopted as a baby, and her original is sealed. she can only get access to it if she gets a lawyer. she has never seen it. her current one seems to be normal, but it is her second one, with her adoptive parents listed as the real parents, etc. She didn’t find out she was adopted until she was 45.

    So, is this lady saying Obama has an original sealed through adoption court, and the one hawaii has on file, that they have seen, is the adoption one with Soetoro as the dad?

  • Roy Humphries

    Sports Fan the law is clear and fully defined …..It is called the United States Constitution….. Have you ever read it???…. Try it sometimes, you might even like it

  • TeakWoodKite

    Is Obama a “Natural Born Citizen”? It is the one question that must be answered.

    There is no middle ground. If Obama cannot serve as Office of the President of the United States, then all appointments (Holder, Sotomayor, Czars, etc.) made by Obama are invalid; as well as any laws, acts or treaties entered into. If Obama cannot lawfully hold the Office of the President of the United States, all “orders” issued to the United States Military are “unlawful orders”. This last point is why I am so thankful that it appears that Dr. Orly Taitz’s eligibility case will be heard on the merits. Every soldier has a legal responsibility to follow only orders that are “lawful”. Given that burden, every soldier must have a right to be certain of Obama’s authority.

    Dr. Orly Taitz’s eligibility case will be heard on the merits.

    Wasn’t this case heard Monday last? I have not seen any reported news about it

  • Daisyjane

    TeakWoodKite,

    Two different cases, I believe. The Cook case is from a few weeks ago.

    The one to be heard on it’s merits is in CA.

    http://zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/judge-carter-is-listening-dr-orly-taitz-wins-one-for-the-good-guys-la-times-reports-how-will-media-spin-issue-major-stefan-cook-next-up-the-bopac-report/

    I’m posting a link from a site other than the atty’s as I believe it’s being hacked at the moment.

    FYI, Judge David O. Carter is a Clinton appointee, and a former Marine. Vietnam vet, I do believe.

  • Daisyjane

    I am not ignoring you, but I am going to have to dig a little bit to find the explanation that was on that thread.

    But if I remember correctly, you’re on the right track.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I was under the impression that the Ca case was the heard last Monday, if not was there a date?

    I do not think this latest motion will be granted. The motion names SOS Clinton as a respondent. Pigs to pork rinds he will tell her to refuse a legal subpoena if it is granted.

  • TeakWoodKite

    was the case heard

  • TeakWoodKite

    Come to think of it if the motion is granted would it not be a real “hoot” if Clinton was told by Obama to ignore the order?

    If this motion is granted it will be very telling how the Obamanation will react.

    How will Obama look then? Frakin amazing.

  • Disgusted

    Whoever is taking any of these cases to court needs to know it is ESSENTIAL that he also be made to open up his college records, passport records, Indonesian records, and high school records. That way, even if he tries to forge his birth certificate, it would be alot more difficult to cover up all the information in all the other records. I hope this is the case with all these lawsuits!

  • Daisyjane

    No, the judge gave Obama’s side 60 days to get their act together (this plus other info should be in the link). This would be the case in CA.

    Here’s the bio for the judge:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Carter

    interesting background

  • Ellen D

    An old Scottish saying is that a good liar has to have a good memory.

  • Ellen D

    In order to meet the required burden of proof, the foreign record would not only have to be proven as true, but also the State of Hawaii’s record would have to be proven separately as false.

    I’m not a lawyer, but if only one can be true and the foreign record is proven as true, wouldn’t that automatically make the Hawaii record false?
    They can’t BOTH be true.

  • Ellen D

    Yes but Foster’s was an obvious suicide with a suicide note.

  • Ellen D

    I believe Christian Name is simply a British term. I’m Canadian. There were a lot of those types of terms in the Commonwealth.

  • bho boo

    However I read somewhere that Chester Arthur signed away some Indian lands, and they are suing to get them back because he’s ineligible.

    The suits will keep coming.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Ok the mystery gets weirder again…
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105817

    This is not the first time that conflicting information has come out of Hawaii.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    not only that, but you can be guaranteed that the Obot minions would be telling america with a straight face that it simply didn’t matter if the Fraud wasn’t born in america. the Constitution doesn’t apply to the Messiah.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    correct; us “birthers” need to be cautious about the possibility that the Fraud may release some incriminating *false/forged* documents (which may actually contain true information, but are forged) in order to lead us into a trap and discredit us.

    remember what happened to Dan Rather; those documents he reported on apparently contained accurate information about Shrub’s shall we say, spotty, national guard performance, but since they apparently were forged, that discredited the information contained in them, and dan rather as well.

  • QUEENIE

    Chuck Norris writes Obama a letter.. “Release your birth certificate”

    Posted: August 03, 2009 1:00 am Eastern © 2009 Chuck Norris

    Dear Mr. President:

    First, happy birthday. I do hope Aug. 4 is an enjoyable day for you and your family. Coincidentally, I also will be celebrating this week the birth of someone dear to me, my beloved wife, Gena, whose birthday is on Aug. 9.

    Speaking of birthdays, I couldn’t help but hear and read all over the news last week about the fresh attention to your constitutional eligibility and natural born citizen status. I can hardly believe that individuals are now offering bounty – one for $100,000 – for any personal witness or sufficient evidence to your American birth.

    For nearly two years, this debate continues to grow despite all your administration’s attempts to diffuse it. And those who are raising concerns aren’t just those on the right, but moderate law-abiding citizens like a retired CIA officer who commissioned an investigator to look into the issue.

    Still, your press secretary, Robert Gibbs, continues to glibly brush aside the issue by calling it “fictional nonsense.” But, in so doing, he devalues the grievance passage of the First Amendment and insults those who are genuinely concerned and inquisitive by categorizing them all as political quacks. He needs to learn that you can’t model tolerance for certain minorities while belittling and quarantining those who don’t blindly follow your lead.

    Believe it or not, I’m not writing you to challenge whether you were born in America, though I see nothing wrong with the American public voicing that constitutionally based grievance with someone in your esteemed position. As one blogger wrote, after all, “We aren’t talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here.” Or as Ronald Reagan once said, “Trust but verify.”

    Personally, I must admit that I find it a bit of a groundless stretch not to believe in the birth announcements in two major Hawaiian newspapers in August of 1961, in which the Hawaiian Health Department would have been required to post information they received directly from hospitals: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.” Nevertheless, that proof still doesn’t answer why you refuse to reveal your original birth certificate and end the growing tides of controversy.

    I’m writing you because this is no longer a matter merely about proving a presidential prerequisite in the Constitution. Refusing to post a copy of your original birth certificate is an unwise political and leadership decision that is enabling the birther controversy. The nation you are called to lead is experiencing a growing swell of conspirators who are convinced that you are covering up something. So why not just prove them wrong and shut them up?

    If the birther movement is truly full of a bunch of conspiracy-fringed kooks or “zombies,” as the Los Angeles Times proclaims, then prove once and for all that you are a naturally born citizen by posting your original birth certificate. And all the controversy will fade away like the pains of childbirth.

    I agree with CNN’s Lou Dobbs, who was chastised by his own media outlet for demanding the release of your original birth certificate. So why is that such a bad request? We certainly know why CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein thought it was a bad idea: because he previously declared that CNN researchers determined that Obama’s 1961 birth certificate no longer existed.

    But Hawaii’s officials confirmed again last week that they indeed have your original birth certificate on file. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaiian State Department of Health, repeated her October 2008 statement that she had personally seen with her own eyes the “original vital records.”

    Some claim that even you cannot see or request your own personal birth certificate, because Hawai’i’s disclosure law (Hawai’i Revised Statutes 338-18) states that “it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any such record … ”

    But the law further states that the Health Department “shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.” (Italics mine)

    Isn’t categorically satisfying constitutional requirements for a president, or answering the First Amendment grievances of hundreds of thousands of Americans, or ending a national debate or healing a country’s divisions enough “direct and tangible interest”?

    Mr. President, as more and more people realize that you are refusing to release your original birth certificate, further questions will fuel the fires of debate or at least hinder the embers from ever being snuffed out. Questions like, “Does it really contain the Hawaiian physician’s name?” Or “Does it disclose something other than his birth place that he wishes others not to see?”

    In fact, last week copies of the 1961 birth certificates from twin girls, who were born a day after you in the same Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, give examples of those typical of the time. They include much more information than certificates today, like the baby’s parents’ ages, occupations, birthplaces, race, etc., as well as specifics of the medical personnel presiding over the baby’s birth and the hospital in which he or she was born.

    Of course not every U.S. citizen has access to their original birth certificate, but you do, and that’s the only one under debate. As valuable as copies can be, textual critics know that nothing outweighs an original, especially when only it contains the information under question.

    So again I ask, why don’t you simply request, release and give permission to make public your original birth certificate?

    Mr. President, you promised the American people that you are “committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.” In fact, on July 23 in your prime time press conference, you said that your administration was more transparent than those of previous presidencies: “I think that we have provided much greater transparency than existed prior to our administration coming in.”

    So again I ask, why not live out that transparency promise by posting your original birth certificate and end the division and debate?

    Well, I have a birthday to plan, so I better get going.

    Again, happy birthday Mr. President.

    Yours truly,

    Chuck Norris
    http://www.empoweredpatriots.com/2009/08/03/chuck-norri...

  • D4Hillary

    That’s funny and could be very true!

  • TeakWoodKite

    BO Sr. was in Harvard at the time.

    In the document, he is listed as being from the state of Hawaii for his crib.

    Odd.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I wonder if the State Hawaii would be able to legally refer to a sealed adoption record in response to any inspection.

    Why would the Vital records dept, go beyond what is legally required and reveal a sealed adoption record?

    Would not a court be required to order by specific motion, the unsealing of a sealed birth record?

    And who would have standing to achieve this motion?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Thanks Daisyjane, What discovery has the judge granted?

  • ConfusedAmerican

    It looks like the attorney’s site is not only being hacked but infected.

    I have been told to stay away if possible and dont post links to it.

    This is getting just a bit too scary, like some movie with a sinister take over plot..

  • James

    John, the holding in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native born citizen and NOT a natural born citizen.

    In [Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 350 (1939).], Ms. Elg was found to be a “natural born citizen” because she was born in the mainland USA (New York) of TWO US citizen parents.

    The significance of the Perkins v. Elg case is that it gives examples of 1) Natural Born Citizen, 2) Native Born Citizen and 3) Citizen.

    But it appears that we only need the Constitution of the United States. To wit:

    Article. I.

    Section 8.

    …To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

    In other words, the Constitution of the United States explicitly states that de Vattel’s Law of Nations applies. The eligibility requirements stated therein do not modify the meaning of the Constitution. Whether German or English, the intent as elaborated in the Law of Nations is fully enforceable by congress. And the intent was that a “natural born citizen” must be born in the US mainland of two US citizen parents.

    If one takes Barack Obama at his word, and I strongly suggest we do not do so, then he is at best only a citizen of the US.

  • Natasha Williams

    Please give a link to those so called lies by Obama.

    I will be waiting for your response.1

  • kinthenorthwest

    natasha…Im not sure that NoQuarter could handle that many links….

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