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Hillary On Three American Hikers in Iranian Custody

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has spoken publicly about the three young Americans who, according to reports, inadvertantly crossed the Iranian/Kurdish border while hiking and were reportedly arrested by Iranian officials. (In my conclusion, I have a few comments about these three hikers who were warned not to hike the mountains.)

azmar-mountains-sSince most news reports omit descriptions or a name of the mountains, I performed a search and found another A.P. story, “Iran state TV confirms arrest of 3 America,” that identifies the “Azmar mountains north of the Iraqi Kurdistan city of Sulaimaniyah.” This A.P. story also points out that the “borders are mountainous and not clearly marked, making them popular smuggling routes for centuries.The trio of hikers “mistakenly crossed into Iranian territory Friday while hiking in a mountainous area near the resort town of Ahmed Awaa.” (See map below.) First, here’s a MSNBC video:

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Via the Associated Press story, “Clinton seeks info from Iran on missing hikers,” are more of Secretary Clinton’s remarks:

WASHINGTON -Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton appealed to Iran on Monday for information about three missing Americans believed to have been arrested by Iranian authorities last week on an ill-fated hiking trip in northern Iraq.

Clinton said that Swiss diplomats who represent U.S. interests in Iran are asking officials from the Iranian Foreign Ministry for details but have not yet gotten official confirmation of the trio’s arrest. She asked that Iran determine the facts of the case and to “return them as quickly as possible.”

“As of a few hours ago, we did not yet have official confirmation that the Iranian government or an instrument of the Iranian government were holding the three missing Americans … We asked our Swiss partners … to please pursue our inquiries to determine the status of the three missing Americans.”

“Obviously, we are concerned,” Clinton said. “We want this matter brought to a resolution as soon as possible and we call on the Iranian government to help us determine the whereabouts of the three missing Americans and return them as quickly as possible.”

A Kurdish official said the three contacted a colleague to say they had entered Iran by mistake on Friday and were surrounded by troops. Iran’s state television later said the Americans were arrested after they did not heed warnings from Iranian border guards.

The Examiner.com’s article, “Iran arrests 3 American hikers crossing border into Iranian Kurdistan -updated,” has a great map of the area, with the approximate location of the hikers’ route in a boxed area:

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My Comments: I realize that young adults often think they’re indestructible but, at the least, they should have hired a guide, if there is one available, who knew the mountains well and where the borders are. That said, it was unwise to hike in mountains that have poorly marked borders and which criminals like smugglers frequent.

Secretary Clinton, the State Department, the Swiss and other diplomats already have too much on their plates, and the need to aid these three young hikers is consuming invaluable time that should be spent on pressing matters of foreign policy.

Furthermore, the hikers were WARNED not to hike in the area, according to the Examiner.com’s article:

Shwan Mohammed of the Jakarta Globe reports the Americans were warned not to hike in the mountainous terrain where they were arrested because the Iranian border was very close.

His report continues "Beshro Ahmed, media adviser for the General Security Department in Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish region, said the two men and a woman had entered Kurdistan from Turkey earlier along with a fourth American who did not join the trek because he was ill.

Ahmed named the three as Shane Bower, Sara Short and Joshua Steel, while Shaun Gabriel Maxwell stayed behind in their hotel in the autonomous Kurdish region’s second largest city of Sulaimaniyah.

Kurdistan is a tourism area, complete with its own website: Kurdistan Tourism The area covers parts of eastern Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Iraqi Kurdistan), and northwestern Iran which is where the hikers apparently got lost and crossed the border.

So, what’s your opinion of these three?

Do you think Iran will hold them for long?

Is there any advantage for Iran if they choose to hold the three?

Do you think the Swiss have the clout to get them freed?

How much financial responsibility do these three have for the efforts by the U.S. and other governments to get them freed?

These are just a few of the questions that occurred to me while I was writing this post. Please add your own.

  • Texas Playwright

    I hold the American hikers accountable this time. They must know that this is a volatile area, just like the two American reporters crossing into North Korear, however unwittingly. Get too close to the fire, good chance of being burned.

    I agree that Hillary has a tough enough job to do without adding the rescue of people who take risks to her workload. That said, I am glad she speaks up for all Americans, even the risk takers and, IMO re: these hikers, the reckless.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Here’s the thing – at the State Dep’t. website, under “Current Travel Warnings, ” there’s Iraq: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

    So, why did they go there in the FIRST place? And if they were warned after they GOT there to NOT hike in that particular area, but did ANYWAY, they have no one but themselves to blame. So, hell yes, they should be liable for costs.

    MY question is, why the Swiss?? I mean, I know they are neutral and everything, but why are they intervening on our behalf? I’m curious abt that.

    I think you are right, BH, that young people often think they are indestructible, but this goes beyond that. They were irresponsible, and ARROGANT, to think they could go ahead and carry out this folly despite warnings to the contrary from those who knew better. Not only did they put themselves at risk, but their actions are having a lot of consequences.

    Yes, folly – that’s the word that describes their actions.

    • Ellen D

      Why the Swiss? The clout they have is that all the top government officials have Swiss bank accounts.

      • jbjd

        Cute.

    • NomNomNom

      We haven’t had an embassy in Iran since 1981: the Swiss have acted as proxies for our interests in Iran since then. I don’t know why we chose the Swiss, unless its that they are perceived as neutral, but they’re also our protecting power for Cuba.

    • Ani

      Yeah, it irritates me, too, frankly. I mean, they must know what a dangerous area they are in. Why court disaster? As you point out, we have so much on our plates internationally, why risk adding to it?

    • lorac

      “MY question is, why the Swiss?? I mean, I know they are neutral and everything, but why are they intervening on our behalf? I’m curious abt that.”

      My understanding is that we don’t have an ambassador or embassy in Iran anymore. So there was already an agreement with the Swiss to be our “mediation” people – they apparently still have a presence there. I heard this long before this recent event, so I think that’s what’s going on.

  • http://! stodgie

    iran will in the end let them go, but these kind of activiies are indeed a waste of time. who knows what their motivation was fun or take a big risk?

  • Seattle Moss

    Folks,
    I really enjoy hiking..
    Whether it be in the Cascades or along the beaches or just around the block you can find me hiking along with my sheltie dog.

    Have I ever thought about hiking along the border of Iran…NOOOOO!
    I would rather hike on the South side Chicago than over there.
    These hikers are fools and represent the idiocy which is Obama and his followers…I bet they all voted for the apologist in chief and thought that everything was fine now that the evil Bush has been replaced.

    Too bad for all of us that the United States will either capitulate more power in the region or pay a ransom.

    • lark

      Poor Hillary. Another walking around egg shells not to piss Obama’s messiah complex.

    • lark

      Don’t worry Seattle Moss, chaos is still way ahead of schedule in the Obama admin. Look at came down the pike just now:

      Biggest tax revenue drop since 1932

      That’s so funny. And to top it off, the Japanese and the Israelis are showing off their new invention of their so called ‘ReWalks.’ These are ‘dynamic orthosis for paraplegia.’ The japanese version operates from skin impulses allowing the ‘user’ to operate them without any manipulation.

      So now the Pentagon is going to want to buy one for each paraplegic that is a product of the most recent wars and better yet, wars to come. And to think that most high school graduates in the US can hardly compute even simple arithmetic tasks. Oh yeah, they are going to be build right here in the USA. [Forget about it.]

      Don’t worry. When the Pentagon takes over the country the Navy will make sure that American kids will have to do math to PhD level in less than four years straight.

      Oh lets sing hurray to our educational system. No doubt the 21st. Century as Obama has predicted will become the American Century (again). Aha.

      • Diana L. C.

        And in regard to the education of these hikers—which, of course, I know nothing—I can make a guess about the education of many American youth of their age group. It had more to do with figuring out how to game the teachers, cheat the best, and use mommy and daddy’s influence the most. Many school systems just no longer really hold kids accountable for their bad behavior and bad judgment because they fear the wrath of helicopter parents more than anything. Perhaps they figured their mommies and daddies would get them out of any bind anyway.

  • NomNomNom

    I couldn’t care less what happens to the 3 of them.
    I might add, that the labels for them of “hikers” and “tourists” is a bit farfetched: all 3 are writers as was a 4th member of their party who was ill, Shon Meckfessel.
    Interestingly, Shon Meckfessel is now referred to as Shaun Gabriel Maxwell, and Joshua Fattal is now Joshua Steel. Huh?
    This blog lists some curious information about their ties to the region and studies.
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2009/08/hiker-arrested-in-iran-writes-for_02.html

    I worry what we will negotiate in order to get these 3 back. One thing is for certain, whatever it is, they won’t be worth it.

    • Boxer Mum 06

      Joshua Fattal is from the suburbs of Philly. Here is a link to local coverage. Doesn’t mention the name change to Steel…?? Refers to his parents as Fattal as well.

      Quote from Josh’s Facebook page: “getting in touch with my roots between the tigres and euphrates valleys . . .” and “Iraq is on my mind,”

      http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20090803_Man_detained_in_Iran__Montco_kin_await_word.html

      • NomNomNom

        Thx, that’s a very interesting link as well.
        A lot of articles including this one, are calling him Steel.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    puzzling why they were there after being warned..

  • Mark Ft. Laud

    I D O I T S

  • Mark Ft. Laud

    I D I O T S

  • ces

    Or they were CIA…

    • Seattle Moss

      Ces,
      I want to agree with you for a change.

      Does seem very fishy. If they were CIA the last thing the pentagon would want is for their identities exposed.

      My question,

      How do you get to the border of Iran that easy. Sure sounds like a lot of planes and trucks and check points plus incredible navigation to place yourself exactly at that position to take a Hike.

      However the pictures reveal kids without that much sophistication and a bong in their back pack.

  • lark

    Since the column is about Hillary then I will say that the hikers should better look for some other help than Hillary. Since Hillary has been so effective so far. Zero. But even if Hillary would even muster to move a single feather of international support or give the Iranians a single reason for releasing them, Obama will find the way to fizzle that, get his two cents in and disgust everyone for good.

    So quit giving Hillary a pass. She has been floundering at best with Obama crushing her every steps and this time I suspect won’t be any different.

    I predict a long long stay in jail and maybe Jessy Jackson can meet with his buddy Chavez and put a good word for the hikers.

    • Kathleen Wynne

      lark,

      How is Hillary getting a pass? Obama has taken unprecendented steps to undermine her power as SOS by using others to do what she should be doing. At least she is making an effort to help these American citizens, who stupidly got themselves into this situation.

      I don’t recall Hillary ever getting a pass on anything, it’s always been obama. Of course, if she should prove to be successful, obama will certainly take credit and we won’t hear a peep from the folks, like yourself, who believe she’s getting a pass.

  • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I think we have 3 more candidates for this years Darwin awards…

    • jbjd

      My 17-year-old, who is autistic, loves those books. I always have to get him the latest editions.

  • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

    You know, I was just thinking about doing some hiking in Iran myself…then I was going to do some mountain climbing in North Korea, and then finish it off with a hiking trip around Syria. Do you think they’ll mind my “FUCK ISLAM” t-shirt?

    /snark

    • oowawa

      Hey, that’s funny! Welcome to the Salman Rushdie honor roll . . .

  • Cynic

    Oh well, that’s three democrats less.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      LOL!

      It wasn’t the idiocy so much as it was the arrogance that got our three little pointy headed pals in trouble.

      I wonder who they voted for…hmmmm

  • HC123

    I travel to lots of interesting places. In the absence of friends and family to show you around, hire a trusted local guide. Not everywhere is safe, if you must go trekking around dont be a dummy about it.

    Maybe they thought since everyone loves us now (we elected The One, remember) they were safe?

    No matter what happened and why, my thoughts are with their families. There is no describing the feeling when a loved one is in harms way.

  • Doc99

    Mrs. Clinton has something more important on her mind.

    Something wicked this way comes…

  • apishapa

    They’re lucky to be alive. WHat would happen if our border patrol caught threee Iranians crossing our border? They would be assumed to be terrorists and sent directly to Guantanamo for a few years.

    Idiots.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Those hikers are beyond being idiotic. They are arrogant. Wonder who they voted for?

  • JohnnyB

    Thanks for the post.

    The area in the map in light brown is “KURDISTAN”,
    a land occupied by over 40 Million Kurds, but they have no country. Until this is resolved countries (Turkey, Iraq, Iran) have to give up some of their lands. Kirkirk is the Kurds lands that Saddam moved in his Sunnis and pushed out most of the Kurds. This has the most oil in all of the “Iraq” lands. This will be a battle field again after we leave. The Kurds will be killed once again.

    So these three “hikers” are crazy to be there in the first place. The border they crossed was still part of what would be Kurdistan if it existed. They are three stupid people. What do we do when three people cross our borders illegally? Under the Patriot Act, they could be held without charges for a very long time. Fair Play?

  • JohnnyB

    Apishapa, I did not read your post before posting. We are on the same page on that one.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Hmm….hikers, yeah, that’s the ticket! They were hikers, cough, cough… They were “hiking” there because there is obviously no decent hike-ible terrain back home or anywhere else in the wor—–hey, wait a minute!

    (I think ces is the only one on to this.)

  • elise

    These three a) have an IQ low enough to justify sterilization to prevent contamination of the human gene pool,or b) receive their paychecks from Langley. If it is “a”, they should have to pay every dime of expenses.

    Iran will claim they are spies even if they are not and will keep them as long as they can be used for propaganda or bargaining.

    Why on earth would anyone want to take a hike in Kurdistan?

  • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

    The stupidity and carelessness of Americans overseas never ceases to amaze me. If these kids wanted to go hiking there were plenty of safe places they could have gone and not created an international stink. Who cares whether the border was or wasn’t marked? Don’t go hike in a dangerous place. Don’t try to get cute by sneaking into North Korea expecting to “blend in” and start asking a lot of questions. Come on now.

    Years ago I worked for a man whose son was worked on a ski patrol. He told me that on multiple occasions he had almost died rescuing skiers who, despite being novices, would go down advanced slopes or try daredevil antics like helicopter skiing, etc. He was disgusted and appalled that people don’t know or don’t care about their own limits and expect others to clean up their messes.

    The bottom line is look before you leap.

    • Docelder

      But think about this… two female reporters who work for Al Gore bumble into North Korea and are imprisoned. North Korea calls Hilary a schoolgirl and we send in Bill. Who knows what they got out of it, besides legitimacy of their regime and maybe their nuclear ambitions. Forward to this incident three “hikers” just wander in to Iran, and now they are imprisoned as well. Are these prisoners becoming little more than some backhanded way to grant concessions to rogue nations? Are we going to wind up granting legitimacy to Iran’s nuclear plans and justify it by how happy these three hikers and their families are that we did it?

  • BARB

    Am still waiting for Hillary or anyone from the State Department or anyone at the WH or my Congressman Keith Ellison or any members of the Congressional Black Caucus make a comment about their former Congress Member Cynthia McKinney being locked up in an Israeli jail for over a week….for delivering food, medicine and toys for children to Gaza.

    • NomNomNom

      me too.

  • Mark

    I’m not defending them. Getting lost in that area is a very stupid thing to do. Many of you are asking why and what were they doing there? Yes it does seem extreme, but I have been to that area while deployed to Iraq and it is breath takingly beutiful. It’s not what you expect and does not remotly resemble the Iraq you see in the news. My fellow soldiers and myself have on numerous occasions commented how much we would like to hike there.