Who’s Less Bad?

McCain can get my vote by assuring that he won’t screw Roe vs Wade, will push a healthcare plan up to the level of HRC’s, and most important, will take an Al Gore approved stand on environmental issues, including protecting wildlife.
I have my doubts that McCain would do enough to get my vote, but Obama has done enough to NOT get my vote. Ever.

Thank you for this post. I think it’s going to get harder and harder to vote for Obama as he begins to try to woo them. If they weren’t wooed by his saccharine empty rhetoric at the first passes of the kool aid bottle, they will be less so now.

More importantly, how many will hold out against BO if he does indeed run against McCain. I think this last paragraph is encouraging.

Lastly, this WP piece noted that in the 1980 election when Ted Kennedy contested all the way to the convention, a higher percentage of Kennedy’s supporters (47) said they would NOT vote for Carter. Although only about half that number followed through, it was enough to help sink Carter and elect Ronald Reagan to his first term.

No BO, ever!

No Obama for me. DNC should be punished for all the wrong doings thrown to members. I don’t easily forget nor forgive.

i was one of those who voted for ronald reagan in 1980. carter was the second worst president in history.

i will also be one of those who will vote for mccain in november, only the second time in my life that i have voted republican.

So, the blogosphere is abuzz with rampant speculation that there exists a videotape from the Trinity Church where Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan are going ape-shit over race in America, blaming “whitey” for this, that and the other offense.

Over at National Review, Jim Geraghty tries to tamp down the rumor.

That’s a smart move on his part.

No tape exists. I am willing to bet my first-born on it.

You know why I know no tape exists? Because all copies of it were wrapped up in an American flag and burned on a woodpile ignited by Hillary Clinton and Kitty Dukakis. I didn’t see it, but my best friend’s cousin’s boyfriend saw the whole thing.

Let me explain.

This is the ’08 version of a really weird conservative urban legend that pops up every four years, The names change, but the basics remain the same: 1) It always involves the wife of the Democratic presidential candidate; 2) It always portrays the wife — not the candidate — committing some anti-American, unpatriotic act.

I was first exposed to this during the 1988 campaign when the line was, “There’s a picture out there of Kitty Dukakis burning the American flag…just wait til that comes out…” (that one got out of hand when a GOP senator actually believed it and called a press conference to say he would soon produce the evidence — which never materialized). Four years later, “There’s a picture out there of Hillary Clinton burning the American flag…just wait ’til that comes out…” In 1996, the Hillary thing repeated itself. In ’04, there was a similar one about Teresa Heinz Kerry.

Differences this year: Because of the racial angle and Jeremiah Wright, Michelle Obama — and Louis Farrakhan, for good measure — are blaming “whitey.” Because of YouTube, it’s a clip, not a photo. Oh, and it’s also real early: This urban legend isn’t supposed to start making the rounds until September or so. Perhaps it’s because this one has “crossed over” — Larry Johnson is a lefty blogger partial to Hillary, so he’s caught up in the feverish wish that this might be true. Sorry, Larry, don’t hold your breath.

I’ll believe it when I see it. Actually, given how things can be photo-shopped and video altered, I may not even believe it then.

So the Obama campaigns thinks that we’re all going to tow the party line in November. Well, maybe I’ll send the the receipts for the donations I have since Tuesday: $150 to JohnMcCain.com, $150 to Meetbarackobama.com, and about $200 to the other Clinton supporter websites. I put my money where my mouth is and it’s not going to Obambi – ever!

OBAMA CLAIMS: MCCAIN IS GEORGE BUSH TERM 3.
Here it is perfectly OK to use Guilt By Association.

OBAMA CLAIMS: DO NOT JUDGE ME BY WHAT MY PASTOR OF 20 YEARS SAYS, OR AYERS OR REZKO OR on and on…
Here it’s Not OK to use Guilt By Association.

When BACROCK O’BULLSHIT claims its ok for him to do it but its not ok to have it done to him…you know that he is FULL OF OBAMA.

JUST SAY NO TO TYPICAL RACEBAITING DOUBLE-TALKING SELF-AGRANDIZING MYSOGONISTIC LIARS LIKE BARRY OBULLSHIT!!!

Still waiting for the “Whitey Tape.” Or at least an appology from the owners of the site for disseminating that Swifty slime.

Neither will happen because the site is run by people with no integrity.

well of course the obamatron group of kool aid mixers have to peddle the presumptive hopey-pony with an all new and shiny spin. see it sparkle.what wondrous new world it will be when the New McCain democrats reconsider the mass exit and come back to the party that kicked the shit out of Democracy,.

just like the typical abuser brings the flowers and the heartfelt sorrys to make all new promises that are always going to be broken; it’s the same old story. sob sob…..well, it’s time to throw the bum out.

i don’t need Sen McCain to do anything for me…..except win in november against the guy who will go down in history for bringing down the democratic process.

oh yes….

it’s not about who has won or who has lost anymore, it’s about something much bigger and more important:…where did Democracy go ,and what the hell is f#cking going on???

i hear that Sen Clinton has met with alone with obama for one hour, and i hope it was a doozy. all i’m asking is that she get the promises in writing and notarized. oh wait…doesn’t he have a cadre of lawyers that will spin the document into kingdom come once she gets him elected? darn..

well, let the re-education propaganda begin.. it should be truly disgusting.

.sorry Hil, the obamacrap went too far over the line. his pals are just not my cup of tea. if you go over to him as a VP you’re boarding a seriously sinking ship. hope you don’t, but you have your reasons and i’m sure they are good ones. i wish you well and Godspeed.

on a rather thoughtful note, i picked up a bio of Sen McCain at my local library.
though it all feels a little odd to be doing this, i am kind of enjoying my new freedom to choose, and to actually have a vote that will count somewhere where it means something…

the old patriot has my vote and a little bit of my money. of course all i have is a little bit.
but…. think i’ll put it where it matters.

Johnny Mac for prez.

NoBama never .

and one more last thing….

it’s not about racism my friends. it never was. that was his only tool available to divide and conquer. what a shame for all Americans.

poor obama is a puppet of the fascist oligarchs…. no matter how he cuts it, and no matter what color he is.

If Al Sharpton was running on the republican side. I would rather vote for that race baiting fello then barack obama.

Wow Obama-lovers!

You sure know how to sweet talk us Hillary supporters.

But – hey – I’d love to hear you make your case on voting Obama in November.

Let’s enter a discourse.

But please don’t give me “Hillary did this…” or, “McCain did that ….”

Sell me on why I’m wrong about YOUR GUY.

Sell me on why I shouldn’t be worried about the following:

When I enter the search phrase: Corrupt Chicago Politics

I get 1.84-million hits in less than a second.

And when I search Obama involved with Corrupt Chicago Politics

I get 735-thousand hits in even less time.

Please read this LA Times article:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/mediasobamaluv.html

And explain to me why I should ignore the fact that the BULK of Obama’s political experience is deeply entrenched in the world-famous cesspool of Illinois politics.

Sell me bubbalahs! Sell me on your guy!

What the Obama campaign fails to understand is that our feelings may be hurt, but that’s not the point. Our principles have been offended. Hurt feelings heal; wounded principles don’t.

They aren’t getting us back. Period.

There’s no need to worry about Roe v. Wade because the judges McCain will nominate will have to be approved by Democrats. If the Democrats have control and they let a judge get confirmed that helps strike down Roe v. Wade, it’s just another log on the fire for them. The Democrats could have ended the Iraq war a long while ago by refusing to fund it anymore. But because that would be considered not supporting the troops though it would have saved many lives, it would have been political suicide. The reason the Democrats were elected was on the mantra of stopping the war. They are using it for a political football, they are getting mileage out of it.

As for gay marriage and gay rights, I’m a gay man who lives in Tennessee. We have a ban, Obama can’t overrided it even if he wanted to, short of the Supreme Court making a decision which it won’t be doing anytime soon. As for ENDA, it’s in Congress right now, and it can be passed, if not now, definitely when Congress has a veto proof majority. As a matter of fact, I voted for Harold Ford Jr., and he campaigned saying he was against gay marriage. See, this is something you Obamabots aren’t taking into consideration, nor the DNC, the Democrats that have been getting elected are part of the 50 state strategy.

They are yellow dog Democrats and most of them are far closer to the middle that the far left that Obama is representing. They are beholden to their constituents and they can find themselves ousted should they go too far into Obama land. Even Hillary can’t get me to vote for Obama even if she on the ticket.

Don’t think you have a lock on November. The media has been pimping Obama all along but it’s in middle America where things are decided. Republicans are disappointed with McCain and they might stay home, in protest like some Democrats, but many of them don’t like what Obama represents, so they’ll vote McCain. However, the yellow dog, middle of the road Democrats aren’t that far from McCain and are closer to him that Obama.

In 2004 there was widespread dislike of Bush and the media was against him but he still won.

The only reason you Obamabots are out in force is that you are worried that their might be a tape of Michelle. Even Barack didn’t say, my wife would never say such things.

There doesn’t have to be a tape, and there probably isn’t. We aren’t irrational in our hatred of Obama. When looking at Obama and Hillary, we also looked at experience and the way they would lead. All Obama has given us is pretty speeches. McCain has gone against the Republican norm, that’s why they are disenchanted with him.

Obama is more dangerous than Bush…

at least Bush knew he was stupid…

Anyone who thinks a PUMA is lame should probably look it up in the dictionary.

I meant 1944 typo!

Tale wags the dog..
Here’s a quote from someone I know who saw the whole thing evolve first-hand. As many of you suspected, HRC was strong-armed by the DNC. What you might not have suspected (as I did not) was that the media kept reporting she was dropping out (without checking first with her campaign) as a form of pressure; which seems extraordinary to me. If you ever needed confirmation that this guy is being shoved down our throats—for all the wrong reasons(by all the wrong vested interests)—here it is, I guess.

“Okay, so now that Hillary has issued a statement to the press, I’ll elaborate on what I know:

Basically, on Tuesday Hillary spent the day at home calling superdelegates. In doing so, she discovered that Obama supporters, Uncommitted supers and a
few of her supporters had essentially made a pact with the DNC that they would not support Hillary at the convention. She was essentially told that she
needed to get out of the race asap. Someone told the press that she was going to get out last night, but Hillary didn’t want to exit the race when someone
else told her to do it (the media) and instead, decided she would exit on her own time, under her conditions. I think it was her last opportunity to
actually call her own shots versus having the DNC, party officials and media do it. In fact, during the meeting today, she joked that she had realized
that she wanted to be a person who “talked for a living”, as you always had work and the things you said didn’t even have to be true. Anyway, apparently, the idea that Obama isn’t going to be able to win the nomination came up while talking to the DNC/supers and the response she received was that Obama brought
in a lot of new Democratic voters (and ultimately, a lot of new Democratic money) and thus, while the party might lose the election in the short term
(the presidential election, that is), the long term would be good, as the party would have lots of new voters and money. The belief was that even
though Obama might not be able to win the presidency, the fact that he had all these new voters” would help to ensure that the party won the
congressional and senatorial seats in play in November. I asked if Hillary had read the comments posted by her supporters and was told that she did and
that if she felt she could win the election (garner the superdelegate support at the convention), she would have stayed in the race. However, the DNC and
supers made it very clear to her that they would not support her and that she needed to get out.

The airwaves today were full of Obama supporters demonizing Hillary for not dropping out of the race last night. They went on and on about how selfish
she is and how “dare she strong arm for the VP position”. I was told that she has never once asked for the VP spot AND that she hasn’t been talking to the
Obama campaign at all about what to do next. She came to her decision on her own, but did indicate that she would use some of her delegate support to get
the healthcare plan on the Obama platform. In typical Obama fashion, he allowed the media to go on and on for the last two weeks about how Hillary is
staying in the race so she can be the VP. Today that rhetoric reached a ridiculous level and the hate directed at her was completely over the top.
Again, no statement from Obama regarding the truth: That she had NOT asked or the VP spot. (In fact, from what I understand, Hillary has no obvious
desire to be a part of the Obama campaign whatsoever. This seems good, as right now, people love her and she can exit this looking like the queen that
she is. If she goes with Obama, then the media will say that they were right all along-that Hillary stayed in this after March because she wanted the VP
spot…his supporters will also go crazy with that logic, as they have no idea that she stayed in for us and because she should have been able to win had the
supers and DNC not been in Obama’s pocket.) Regardless, around 6:30, the media began reporting that Hillary would concede on Friday. Apparently, she
hadn’t reported this to the media and they were again frustrated with the media’s attempt to strong arm her into conceding on Friday. Despite the fact
that she was going to concede, she wanted it on her own terms. Thus, she decided to set a date to concede, but scheduled it for Saturday-one last
opportunity to stick it to the media (we love Hillary for that). About one hour after that, Obama issued a statement admitting that Hillary did not
negotiate anything before indicating she would concede. Once again, he believed it would make him look good to appear “gracious”, but clearly fails
to realize that her supporters are not the idiots that he and his supporters think we are. It seems that today, his supporters are starting to figure out
that they will need her supporters to win the election (though it’s too little, too late in my opinion…) and are attempting to opportunistically seize upon the moment.”

What my friend does not mention, was that HRC did not concede Tuesday because the Obama camp said they were over the top but refused to provide any proof. Since most of the supers had promised not to come out until Wednesday, The HRC camp suspected (rightly, I think) that he was not actually over in terms of committed delegates. But, because Obama wanted to shift the focus away from his unexpected loss in South Dakota (they had predicted they would win by 15 points) and further media hand-wringing over his inability to capture the ‘working class white vote’ —and towards the “historic” character of his nomination—they claimed “victory” before they actually add the votes. A small thing, perhaps, but indicative of the dirty politics we have seen all along.

Hillary was going to go against McCain. Remember. I was planning to vote for her. Hillary and Barack were up against each other to beat McCain. There is no reason to beat McCain. My child in Iraq has been there long enough. I don’t want him there anymore fighting this illegal war. Mcain does. Then when he returns he is not taken care of.

mccain is going to do just fine…

A. Hillary
B. McCain

america first

Obama doesn’t have the backbone to speak up. Yes, he does NOT have the backbone to speak up. If you want to say he spoke out against the war watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4&feature=related

Given the choice of Brzezinski/Obama or Kissinger/McCain I choose the latter because if McCain could handle torture – He stands a better chance to stand up to Kissinger than Obama does to Brzezinski. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598o1tuYuPI

Obama is an at all costs opportunist and is running an extremely fascist campaign.

You cite the Obama’s camps hopes that diaffected Clinton voters will come by the fall, but then use current polling data to counter that expectation. I know the polls ask “If the election were held tomorrow…” but it isn’t, it’s held in November. That Clinton supporters now, before their preferred candidate has even officially dropped out and endorsed the nominee, are currently unwilling to say they will vote for that nominee isn’t all that surprising. What will be surprising is if any significant portion of them follow through on that months-old frustration in November with a vote for McCain.

Larry is either a dope or he was duped or both.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/power_broker.php

If by some miracle, Hillary will become our nominee (if of course there are those superdelegates who get off their collective asses and do the right thing for our party, then I’ll be thrilled. I think Obama is in for a rude awakening very soon and so is the democratic party. John McCain has to play this election politically if he wants the far right to support him. He has been a moderate and fought against the far right. I don’t think all he now says is true. It is politically correct to say now to help ensure his support. I don’t care whether roe-v-wade is overturned or not. Let all these young women who want Obama worry about that. I older now and I don’t care. They helped to heap this piece of shit candidate on us so who cares. If your worried about roe-v-wade and wire tapes, you should be more worried about what an Obama presidency would be like. I don’t want to live in the U.S. if he makes it to the White House. I think people are going to have to riot before the DNC and party elite get our message, NO OBAMA.

From sampling all the pro-Hillary sites, these Obama trolls all use the same script, if you don’t vote for their Messiah:
5. Too bad your candidate lost.
4. You don’t care about women’s right.
3. McCain is worse.
2. You are not a true democrat/ You are a republican.
1. You are a racist.

Once they get the to last one, they usually give up and leave. Probably to report to the mothership that there are so many racists out there. lol

I will definitely vote for McCain if Obama is the democratic nominee. No question. I will not endorse the corruption of the DNC by voting for their illegitimate and unqualified candidate.

And I will remain a registered democrat who votes for McCain.

There should be “leave the Party” house parties. So many are doing it. We should get together everywhere and and do it enmass.

Does anyone really think that Obama will even listen to his advisors. He is going to do exactly what he wants, when he wants, he is that arrogant. That is why he has made so many gaffes during his campaign. He said what he wanted to because he was not reading from a script. I will vote for McCain in November as will a lot of people, especially women. Obama is bad, deep in the soul bad. Obama supporters have not looked into the real Obama because all of them only care about are the words “Hope” and “Change.” As if the words will magically turn into something of substance. They’re just words, remember, just words. Many think McCain wants to continue the war for a very long time. I don’t believe he wants any more deaths in Iraq to happen. He just does not want to get out irresponsibly. We are winning more and more. Do your research. Hillary wants to also be responsible in leaving Iraq. She does not want to remain there too long either. We can’t just say drop what you’re doing and our soldiers will come home. It isn’t done that way. No matter what Obama says, because he doesn’t know what he is talking about anyway. Have you read what he has been saying lately. He is very irresponsible when it comes to Foreign Affairs. Do your research. He does not have what it takes to be the next President. Hillary does. I hope by some miracle, the American people see Obama for what he is,an inexperienced, arrogant man with the scar of the corrupt Chicago Politics on his soul.

Anon21,
Obama cannot win.
You quote polls and draw conclusions but without specifics.
This is electoral college. (reference is wikipedia)
In 2004
Bush 286
Kerry 152

Which means Obama has to carry all kerry did and has to make up 18 electoral votes.

When Romney is McCain’s VP, the repub conservatives will be appeased. More importantly Romney is from MA (anyone remember that he had judas ted kennedy on the ropes in 94 and how Bill clinton helped kennedy out?) He has ties in NH, his father was governer in Michigan and he is a mormon and will carry Nevada (7.5% Mormons) and make it harder for Nobama in Colorado (2.5 % staunch mormons) He will bring a big war chest (300 mil worth) and ability to organize.

That means the only states Nobama can get (extra over kerry) are CO, NM, Iowa and maybe virginia.

On the other hand he has already lost wisconsin that was taken by kerry(not many black folk there incidentally), people are not even contesting that. He is sure to lose Michigan, what a stupid fuck up, did they actually need to steal those 4 delegates, or even the other 55? What insanity? And NH is going republican this year. Incidentally the margins that kerry took these in 2004 was very slim and he had the whole party behind him.

And he will be fighting off attacks in pennsylvania. The only job for Repubs will be to retain Ohio. This should be easy to do for the repubs with the appalachia being pissed off and women on the warpath.

And don’t be ingenuous enough to bring florida or georgia or some such nonsense.

This is even before he gets hit with the women’s righteous anger.

This is even before he gets hit with the poor white workers who have not heard yet the contsant daily drilling about the bitter, gun clinging, religion clinging ads.

This is before the “machine gun” like attacks about wright, farrahkan, rezko, hamas, doubtful patriotism, lack of experience and what else, from the RNC.

All 18 million hillary supporters don’t need to switch to Mccain. Only 50K in Ohio and 100K in PA will seal his fate.

That is why women need to focus their efforts in ohio and PA. If they do that, the tyrants like Dean and Pelosi will be washed away with this corrupt chicago politician.

The tape probably exists but will merely be the coup de grace. It’s not really needed.

What is really needed is Hillary.

Stupid DNC. May they rot in hell!

I love it. First, you guys bitch that he “doesn’t reach across the aisle”. Then when he does, you call his Republican co-sponsor a “right wing nut job”.

I think I understand the logic now. If Obama does it, it’s wrong. It’s wrong because Obama did it. That’s because Obama is evil, so obviously any action of his is evil. If he rescued a dozen puppies from a burning building, you’d complain about the fleas.