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[Key Updates] Breaking News: Bill Clinton Delivers! Two Jailed American Journalists Ordered Released from North Korea!

SEE the KEY UPDATES BELOW THE FOLD — from both the New York Times and ABC News — including a new photo as well as a report that the two women may leave North Korea “within hours.” Included in the ABC News report are the North Koreans’ demands, who asked Bill Clinton to go to North Korea, and more.

Since this is such an unlikely headline at The Drudge Report, I decided that I had to take a screenshot (reduced in size to fit our writing area):

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clinton-kimHere’s background via MSNBC’s story, Report: N. Korea to free 2 U.S. journalists: Announcement of pardon comes after Bill Clinton meets with Kim Jong Il“:

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, media reports said Tuesday.

Clinton met earlier Tuesday with Kim after arriving in Pyongyang on a surprise visit, holding “exhaustive” talks that covered a wide range of topics, state-run media said.

Clinton traveled to communist North Korea on a mission to try to secure the release of Americans Euna Lee, 36, and Laura Ling, 32, reporters for former Vice President Al Gore’s Current TV media venture who were arrested along the Chinese-North Korean border in March and sentenced in June to 12 years of hard labor for illegal entry and engaging in “hostile acts.”

KEY UPDATES via “Bill Clinton Brings Star Power to North Korea Negotiation,” at The New York Times blog The Lede and ABC News’s story, “North Korea Pardons Jailed Journalists After Bill Clinton’s Visit“:

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CAPTION: A photograph released by North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency shows North Korean leader Kim Jong-il posing with former President Bill Clinton and his delegation in Pyongyang on Tuesday.

Update | 3:44 p.m. ABC News reports that Euna Lee and Laura Ling may leave North Korea within hours. According to ABC, an unnamed source in the U.S. government, “who has knowledge of the Clinton team’s mission, was hopeful that the two will leave North Korea tonight for the United States, possibly even on the same plane as Clinton.”

Update | 3:13 p.m. According to Reuters, North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency reports that Kim Jong-il, the country’s leader, has granted two American journalists a “special pardon,” on Tuesday, which releases them from detention. The pardoning of Euna Lee and Laura Ling was announced following Mr. Kim’s meeting with former President Bill Clinton in Pyongyang. Reuters reports that KCNA issued the following statement:

Kim Jong-il issued an order of the chairman of the DPRK National Defense Commission on granting a special pardon to the two American journalists who had been sentenced to hard labor in accordance with Article 103 of the Socialist Constitution and releasing them.

The Associated Press also reported the announcement by North Korean media.

Update | 1:54 p.m. Martha Raddatz and Joohee Cho of ABC News report that Mr. Clinton met with Euna Lee and Laura Ling, two detained American journalists, in North Korea on Tuesday, according to “a government source” who described the meeting as “very emotional.” ABC reports:

The source, who has knowledge of the Clinton team’s mission, was hopeful that the two will be back home in the United States tomorrow, and that Clinton will depart tonight from North Korea.

Read all of the updates at the NYT blog post: “Bill Clinton Brings Star Power to North Korea Negotiation.”

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FROM ABC NEWS’s story, “North Korea Pardons Jailed Journalists After Bill Clinton’s Visit“:

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, en route to Africa on a state trip, would not comment until her husband’s mission was complete, a senior U.S. official told reporters.

Arriving at Pyongyang in a specially chartered, unmarked jet, Clinton was greeted warmly by a young girl bearing flowers and top North Korean officials, including chief nuclear negotiator Kim Kyegwan.

Sources told ABC News that Clinton’s trip, while a surprise to some, was planned weeks ago and that it was former Vice President Al Gore who asked Clinton to go. Clinton was accompanied by his former Chief of Staff, John Podesta, who officials said was also involved in the planning.

A senior U.S. official told ABC News that “while mission is in progress, we will have no comment. Our interest is the safe return of the journalists.”

Clinton’s trip fulfills one of North Korea’s two demands — a visit from a high-profile emissary. As former president and husband of the current secretary of state, there could be few people of higher profile, and Gore founded Current TV, where the two journalists worked.

North Korea’s second demand — an apology — was fulfilled by Hillary Clinton just a few weeks ago.

“The young women themselves have, apparently, admitted that they probably did trespass, so they are deeply regretful and we are very sorry it’s happened,” the former first lady said in an interview with ABC News last month. “Our most important goal is to make sure they get home safe.”

Hillary Clinton’s words were a clear departure from the administration’s early rhetoric, and she also acknowledged that the State Department changed its approach in trying to free the two journalists. In June, she told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that the charges against Lee and Ling were “absolutely without merit or foundation.”

One thing about Clinton’s trip is clear: He would not have gone to North Korea unless he was certain he would be coming back with the two journalists.

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EARLIER POSTED INFO:

Here is another photograph:

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And here’s an earlier video from the Today Show on President Clinton’s trip to North Korea:

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Ani also wrote a post at the same time, so I’m adding a report that she found that gives you a lot more detail on what transpired during Clinton’s trip to North Korea:

From MSNBC:

Clinton’s meeting with Kim would be the notoriously reclusive North Korean leader’s first with a prominent Western figure since Kim reportedly suffered a stroke a year ago, sparking questions about the future of the nation he controls with absolute authority.

Though Clinton was in North Korea on a private basis, his visit was treated by North Korea as a high-profile visit, with senior officials — including Kim Kye Gwan, the vice foreign minister who serves as the country’s chief nuclear negotiator — meeting him on the tarmac.

Footage from the APTN television news agency showed the arriving Clinton exchanging warm handshakes with the officials and accepting a bouquet of flowers from a schoolgirl.

Kim later hosted a banquet for Clinton at the state guesthouse, Radio Pyongyang and the Korean Central Broadcasting Station reported.

“This is a very potentially rewarding trip. Not only is it likely to resolve the case of the two American journalists detained in North Korea for many months, but it could be a very significant opening and breaking this downward cycle of tension and recrimination between the U.S. and North Korea,” Mike Chinoy, author of “Meltdown: The Inside Story of the North Korean Nuclear Crisis,” said in Beijing.

All our thanks to President Clinton. I guess SoS Clinton had a good idea to send her husbnand rather than Al Gore, or Bill Richardson, who wanted to go.

Great news! Well done.

I also borrowed Ani‘s great headline.

  • beachnan

    He’s still “the Man”!!! The best President in my lifetime. Such a shame, we could have had Hillary and Bill in the Whitehouse, instead of the two clowns we are stuck with. I hope he gets the credit he deserves.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Go Billy— I was just reading that was coming over to hopeuflly find an open thread.

    Hey we all knew Obama got a 2 for 1 deal with Hillary.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    ya gotta love the Clintons..both patriots and heroes

  • Tricia Spiegel

    I just wish (fantasy) we had a certain man and wife team as co-Presidents!

    Go Bill!

  • Nocturnal Warrior

    Goofy little dictator man smiling. Bill looking serious and Presidential. Doesn’t the former Pres h know our new policy is to bow and then yuk it up with despots?

  • Katmoon

    Thank you Pres. Clinton; I understand he used his own plane for this? Some say “yes we can”, and others simply do what they can. Interesting what respect( of the situation) and proper understanding of negotiations can bring.

  • Peggy Sue

    The Big Dawg still has it! And, if you remember, Bill Clinton was predicted to be an albatross around HRC’s neck had she won her bid for president.

    The Clinton’s are an incredible powerhouse and Bill Clinton was the perfect one to send.

    Thank God. Some good news at last. The women were “pardoned” and as I understand it are on their way home.

  • cackicoo

    the greatest president in my lifetime…..and i will tire of hearing him taking all the crap for being a traitor for doing this…thank you Bill Clinton you have been sorely missed…..wonderful news

  • Cindy

    You want a job done right? SEND IN THE CLINTONS!!!
    Tahnks, Brownwyn!

  • rose

    Great job president Clinton and SOS Hillary Clinton!!!!! they just did the job we knew they could and will. President Clinton and Hillary are giving a great example of working for the best interests of our people and country even with a group of people that tried to destroy them .I am not talking about Korea either.

  • I’m a Linda too

    HA! Excellent, indeed, GREAT screen capture. lol priceless

    Such excellent news and President Clinton is shining with this resolution, his experience ultimate in diplomacy as he brings home Euna Lea and Laura Ling on his private plane. WOOHOO!!!

  • Susan B. Athena

    Thankfully he did not get that memo.

  • Docelder

    That little feller had better not ever go to Nevada… he might find himself frozen in liquid nitrogen over in area 51. ;)

  • Docelder

    Phone home. But seriously, they keep building missiles when what they need more than anything else is probably plain old vitamins.

  • Bronwyn’s Harbor

    EVERYONE: You absolutely have to go to ABC News and watch the video of the North Korean announcement.

    It looks like Martha Raddatz got to accompany Bill Clinton on the trip.

    I’d LOVE to know what those two talked about in that “emotional” meeting. What did Bill Clinton say to him? I want to know.

  • mel

    So when is the next Obama news conference, so that he can take credit for telling Hillary to send Bill there?

  • http://www.partizane.com NewHampster

    I wonder that the Racist In Chief promised.

    He told Kim that the release would make Obama and that woman over in State both look bad.

  • Texas Playwright

    I love me some Big Dawg and Earth Goddess! Go, Bill and Hill!

  • mark connette

    No one has asked the question. So, I will. What did Clinton have to give North Korea in return? North Korea doesnt do anything without getting something in return. I know most in here love clinton, but lets look a little deeper. there is something we aren’t being told. As usual..

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Gotta love the Big Dawg! He is a national treasure and the embodiment of the American Spirit.

    Earth Goddess=Hillary. Texas Playright: I like it! Very Much!

  • mimi

    I came here to say just that…. Oh what could’ve been…. But no, a country full of knuckleheads just had to have 0bama. I’m happy that the women are free. I’m proud that Bill, as usual, delivers and still commands respect. I’m happy for Secretary Clinton. But deep down, this brings back every bitter memory of last year’s Primary and election.

  • HARP

    Probably an apology from Obama for 1952.

  • mimi

    That goofy little dictator looks thrilled to be standing next to President Clinton. He might even still believe Bill is POTUS. He did have a stroke afterall.

  • Karma

    Try again.

    Pres Clinton didn’t go there without Obama’s approval so the question should be.

    ‘What did Obama have to give North Korea in return?’

    I know you love to blame the Clintons on every thread but Pres Clinton didn’t pull a Carter and go AWOL on who he was representing.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I think there was a promise not to allow Hasbro to make a troll doll in Kim Jong Il’s likeness. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that was it…

    Oh and maybe not to nuke NK on accident…

    LOL!

  • olivia1998

    Right on Harp

  • Peggy Sue

    Hahaha, Buzz. Love the Hasbro troll idea!!!

  • mimi

    I went to see the announcement. There is one photo of Kim looking across the table in an almost adoring state. I wonder what’s up with that? And wasn’t Al Gore supposed to be the one to go? Guess Jong said either Bill or no one.

  • mel

    Gore exceeds the maximum weight for a single seat in an aircraft as of late, so no go for Gore!

  • WMCB

    That’s MY president right there, and always will be. I didn’t like everything he did, all the time, but dammit he was one of US, there for US, and he never forgot it.

    And you know, that’s the one thing that the party poobahs and the beltway village media types never did forgive, never have forgiven, and never will forgive him for. They knew he was OURS, the peeps, and not THEIRS. And it made them crazy. Still does.

  • mel

    No, Obama threatened that if Bill did not get the release then Obama would be forced to send his own “Attack Dawg” Michelle over there to lecture Kim on healthy eating and gardening in lead filled gardens!

  • Peggy Sue

    WMCB said:

    “And you know, that’s the one thing that the party poobahs and the beltway village media types never did forgive, never have forgiven, and never will forgive him for. They knew he was OURS, the peeps, and not THEIRS. And it made them crazy. Still does.”

    Alot of truth in that statement. Bill Clinton was far from perfect but he was and remains the best president of my living memory. And the party pols don’t understand that and it drives them wild. As you said: he was the President of the peeps. Even the statment makes me smile, wistfully.

  • Seymour

    To the Obama Administration:

    Now that’s how you do that…EOM

    Seymour for Bill my Brother

  • avwrobel

    That’s a real man getting the job done. BTW, there’s a riotously funny satire picture of Obambi of him with joker make-up over at Yahoo’s home page. Larry, get it posted up here quick!

  • avwrobel

    oops! that’s on the AOL homepage.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    Kim loves the idea of rubbing elbows with Power Stars. Pretenders, not so much. I’m sure he was thrilled with Bill’s visit.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Right here with you, Mimi. After all of the horrible things Obama and his minions said abt Hill AND Bill, and yet, they still put themselves out there to do what is RIGHT. He is amazing, and thank heavens for those women…

  • indigogrrl

    gird your loins for a new rounds of CDS…the EgO will not let praise for any Clinton go unanswered.

  • Disgusted

    Here is to wishing I would wake up tomorrow and have Hillary in the White House with Bill as “First Man”. It would be the ultimate in getting two for the price of one. It would be fabulous enough to have one genius, but two . . . ? I travel around the world and these two are rock stars everywhere we go. They are so respected and admired. I miss the Clinton years!!!!

  • I’m a Linda too

    Gee, the last time, president Clinton was successful in getting NK to agree to have their nukes sealed with some aid to his country. And a much cheaper price tag than we seem to pay those who have terrorists in their country plotting against us.

    But, by the smile on Kim Jong I’d say he was pretty happy the President paid him a visit, which was one of the carrots itself.

  • catherine

    That’s what a REAL President looks like!!!! That’s my man Bill! Oh God, how I wish Hillary were now our POTUS! And she would be if not for the vile Howard Dean who disenfranchised FL & MI, redistributed delegates per county and allowed caucus fraud and media sexism to go unchallenged.

    Yes, there’s a lot of people who were part of this fraud but ultimately, the greatest responsibility lies in Dr. Deanenstein. As DNC Chair he had the ethical and moral obligation to ensure the voter’s choice received the nomination and not gift it to one of his CPC droogs!

  • btintaos

    I LOVE IT! And on Dear Leader’s birthday, no less. I mean our “Dear Leader” not North Korea’s. Stole the thunder from any birthday celebration that might happen today. Accident? I think not.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Bill Clinton is on his way home..

    and this just came in.

    “Through a representative, the families of the reporters released a statement saying they were “overjoyed” at the news.

    “We are so grateful to our government: President Obama, Secretary Clinton and the U.S. State Department for their dedication to and hard work on behalf of American citizens,” the statement said. “We especially want to thank President Bill Clinton for taking on such an arduous mission and Vice President Al Gore for his tireless efforts to bring Laura and Euna home. We must also thank all the people who have supported our families through this ordeal, it has meant the world to us. We are counting the seconds to hold Laura and Euna in our arms.”

  • Disgusted

    It was reported that Clinton was asked to go by the families of the detainees. He went at great risk to himself. It further states he ok’d the trip with the proper U.S. authorities and the White House, but the WH told him they would distance themselves from any involvement and that he was doing this on his own accord . . . which he WAS! That will also send a message that the WH is still not going to negotiate with North Korea. If I were the mother of either of those two young women, I would be eternally grateful that Bill Clinton stepped up and got done what no one else could, up to this point.

  • Tammy

    Good for President Clinton!
    I would have preferred Hillary ANY day over Bama the Bozo.

    Even when I disagreed with President Clinton on some of his policies, he was still my(OUR) President.

    Obama is the President of a tiny portion of the Democratic party. The Leftist/Wacko/Marxist part.
    I feel sorry for all of the Dems that were fooled by this con man.
    He is not MY President.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    Hmmm, I think you may be correct. I wasn’t thinking in that direction since none of us were going to be celebrating The Dear Leader’s birthday.

  • Ani

    Agreed, Mimi. 100% percent. Thanks very much for stopping in.

    I’m glad the adults went to take care of the situation.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I was going to say something very similar. Barnarcissist Obama will not be happy being knocked out of the top photo spot and news lead! Watch out Bill, and I presume Hillary, too!

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    I loved Bill’s response when he answered a question during a forum in Monterey (long before Hillary announced)…”Could you give us your thoughts on The First Man?” Looking perplexed, he hesitated then a light came across his face and he smiled saying, “Oh, for a minute I thought you meant Adam.” Can you imagine the arrogant one revealing such humility? No. His ego is enormous…we should call it “false ego”…egomania without anything of merit to substantiate it.

  • jbjd

    I hate having to look at the glass as half full instead of half empty but, I cannot help thinking, if this past election cycle had not been so screwed up, many of us would still not know 1)caucuses unfairly overstate the votes of some groups of people and limit the votes of others, and can be rigged; the degree to which sexism permeates the MSM; and the D Party is a private club that can install its candidate into the WH manipulating whatever rules necessary.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    I’m caught in Spamgate.

  • Claudy

    Oh Gosh – Bill and Hillary’s star power must be sucking the air out of Barry’s B’day Bash.

    Thank you Bill!! for being you for doing what you do!!

  • oowawa

    If anybody else is standing in O’s spotlight on the national stage, that’s trouble. I’ll be interested to see how he reclaims central position.

  • trixta

    Very funny, mimi! And yet, with Bill in the picture it all still looks dignified.

  • LisaB

    Anyone else think that first photo has been ‘shopped? I don’t think KJI is that tall next to Bubba.

  • tango

    I think it irked the Obama Administration that he went but what could they do? To refuse him would be damaging if it was leaked so I think they thought they be covering their butts by saying it was a “personal mission” that they couldn’t comment on. I bet they expected him to fail. But since Bill Clinton was successful and they already said it his own decision, the Obama Administration can’t exactly try to wrestle credit back for sending him.

    Kim probably met with and released the reporters at Clintons request to basically give Obama the finger.

  • connie

    Does anyone know what time Bill and his two rescued reporters will be arriving?? Hillary has managed her second rescue perfectly. I forget where the other lady was being held, but she was release too. We have one great SOS! She certainly has done more that Condoleeza Rice ever did.

  • candymarl

    This is what happens when you don’t rely on “hope and change.” This is what happens when you get off your butt and do your job.

    Take notes Mr. Obama

  • jwrjr

    Considering that 24 hrs. ago the Ozero regime was declaring that Pres. Clinton was over there representing nobody but himself, I have to ask: has Ozero tried to claim credit for the women’s pardon and release yet?

  • trixta

    A couple of months ago, SOS Clinton secured the release of a woman (reporter?) held in Iran.

  • oowawa

    It looks odd to me also, LisaB. I found height estimates for Clinton from 6-1 to 6-2 1/2, and for KJI from 5-2 to 5-6. KJI also reportedly wears platform shoes. Photoshopped? Could be . . .

  • FLDemFem

    What the Koreans want more than anything is attention. They want to play with the big boys, hence the nuclear tests, etc. Countries that are in the “nuclear club” get listened to when they speak. Being ignored is what set off this episode. They wanted attention from someone the rest of the world sees as important. And Bill Clinton gave it to them, in the best possible way. Not only did he get the two women released, he got the repairs started on our diplomatic relations with them, which Obummer put in the toilet with his arrogance. What Obummer doesn’t understand is that Kim is also a narcissist and doesn’t like being dissed. If Obummer had treated Kim the way he himself wants to be treated, then there would never have been a problem. It’s the arrogance of Obummer that got us into this mess and the statesmanship of Bill Clinton that is getting us out.

  • http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/08/04/let-them-eat-cake-2/ Hillary Is 44 » Blog Archive » Let Them Eat Cake

    [...] North Korea Bill Clinton is saving lives again (as in Ghana). Real Democrats and Americans are proud of [...]

  • Ani

    link please. Thanks.

  • Disgusted

    Ani- it was reported on both CNN cable news and MSNBC within minutes of each other. I am sure they will repeat that story throughout the night.

  • barry bums a ciggie

    Bill is a rock star! He walks the walk…eh hem, unlike man-child 0zero.

  • Disgusted

    Of course that rescue was not touted by the White House either!

  • CG

    Bronwyn’s Harbor and Ani, thank you both for bringing us this joyous news, so thoroughly capturing all the media outlets’ reports. You two are an awesome team. What a relief after Obama dominating the airwaves, that Bill Clinton was the distinguished emissary. It’s early but I hope you will join me in celebration with an imaginary glass of champagne and a toast to our ‘bestest’ former President, cheers! Thanks again BH and Ani.

  • barry bums a ciggie

    I thought the same thing! He wanted to be the one in control of the situation and hell no, Kimmy wasn’t about to give Obobo what he wants. By talking with Bill, he got to save face and still showed that he was in charge.

    I’m very happy for the two journalists and for their families. One of the women has a three year old child that thinks her mommy is on a business trip.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Actually I’m hoping this means we will be seeing a bit more of Bill.
    Has anyone noticed that he has been pretty much non existence in since the inauguration?
    It has kind of bothered me, since Hillary had to jump through so many hoops to get the SOS job.

  • barry bums a ciggie

    I’m with you RRRA! I’m still po’ed that 0zero and his thuds labeled Bill as a racist. Ugggggh, just thinking about it still roils me.

  • Lisa_NY

    Talk about kool-aid drinkers…
    If you think Clinton went on his own without BO’s go ahead you’re mistaken.
    He wouldn’t go there unless the deal was already made for their return.
    We will never know what deal was made and what we gave up for the return of these women.

  • felizarte

    I wonder how Gore first called on Bill the first time re his reporters. And what Bill said to him before he agreed to help Gore out? Did they discuss the election of 2008 and Gore’s non-support of Hillary? Etc, etc, etc, 2012?

  • I’m a Linda too

    …the only thing I can give Mr. Gore here is that he waited until Hillary suspended her campaign and reports of him being pressured by Pelosi et al to endorse.

    …I still don’t forgive his lie that “this was’t political”. “Climae Chage doesn’t have a political party” “I’m waiting to hear what the candidates offer”. And then boom bang, out the window, he now made it about the Democratic Party, not Climate Change and put climate change on the back burner for his politics. John McCain did much more than Obama could even lie about and endorsed Al Gore’s position to receive all our energy in 10 years time by renewable resources, saying “if Vice President Gore said we can do it, then I believe him” and got much heat from his own party, because, as Al confirmed, he was political.

    Can you tell I’m still pissed at Al?

  • felizarte

    I also wonder if BO would dare call Bill to be involved in another “impossible task” like drawing a roadmap for a real economic recovery that benefits all the people–like creating jobs, in the event that the economy is still in the pits come 2011.

  • I’m a Linda too

    This article that came across the AP and Yahoo news.


    The Clinton tag team is in motion once more

    WASHINGTON – Bill Clinton’s North Korean negotiations cast fresh light on a Byzantine, mysterious power that Americans may never fully understand.

    The Clintons.

    Sure, North Korea is a complicated place, too.

    But the history of Bill and Hillary Clinton — their partnership, their marriage, their way of one stepping forward while the other steps back — is lined with mazes worthy of the family franchise that rules in Pyongyang.

    Bill Clinton brought some unusual strengths to a round of diplomacy that won the release of two U.S. journalists Tuesday: the cachet of a two-term presidency, a keen understanding of Asia, a history of North Korean outreach and smackdowns, and a gift for gab. Not to mention a wife who is secretary of state.

    http://tinyurl.com/qrno8y

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Lets say it this way I dont think we will know truthfully either way, especially since it was a success.

    Strange that Obama did not say something prior to this either way prior to the completion. Makes one wonder. Was it so he could point fingers if it wasnt sucessfull or did he not send Clinton.

    Like I said we will never know the full truth. Even if Obama says he send Clinton, or Clintton says he was sent.
    JMHO

  • WMCB

    LOLBill sez “Im n ur diktatershp freein ur prizners”

  • felizarte

    …the only thing I can give Mr. Gore here is that he waited until Hillary suspended her campaign and reports of him being pressured by Pelosi et al to endorse.

    Probably choreographed and conveniently leaked/planted. I don’t give him credit for this at all.

    Can you tell I’m still pissed at Al?

    I still remember how unforgiving he was of Bill Clinton’s Lewinsky debacle. He basically shunned Bill during the presidential campaign and distanced himself from the good record of governing of Clinton’s administration; and probably blames him for his loss; although I think he ran a poor campaign.

  • jbjd

    That’s a good point.

  • I’m a Linda too

    yeah, that was bad. And he did run a poor campaign. He was handled…and not well…and we can thank Miss Donna Brazile for that too.

  • elise

    I’ll drink a toast to Bill Clinton anytime. He personally secured the release of these two women and he did it with class and dignity. Wasn’t there a recent post about class? There are two definitions of class: 1) divisions of societies and 2) elegance. Pres Clinton have always eschewed the first and personified the second.

  • elise

    Sorry. That should be “Pres Clinton and Sec. Clinton have always eschewed the first and personified the second”. Fingers having trouble keeping up with thoughts.

  • Ani

    Roxana Sabieri.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Disgusted — that may be true, but since the mission was a success, we know BO will call another press conference to make clear that he was instrumental in advising both the Clintons in how to handle the situation; and then BO will take all the credit for bringing those two women home.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    He will…

  • Terry

    I agree. I am still amazed that the Clintons work so hard for this country despite what was done to them. They are better people than I could be if I went through all that.

  • Terry

    Look for something embarrassing to be leaked about one of them soon.

  • WMCB

    Oh… so Obama was lying through his teeth yesterday when he denied all involvement, and made it clear that Bill was doing this entirely on his own?

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Does anybody know if Bill can run again? I know a Prez can’t have more than two consecutive terms, but what about non-consecutive? I would support Bill in a heartbeat if he could run again. At least he wouldn’t get all the sexist crap that was dumped on Hillary. Maybe she could be on the ticket, too?

  • S – Angeltour

    I stand with Peggy Sue and WMCB and thousands of others who love President Bill Clinton and Sec of State Hillary Clinton…

    Bill Clinton’s legacy as a President and as a man just continues to grow in a positive direction as time goes by…what a humanitarian…tsunami relief, peacemaker in the Middle East and Bosnia, the best FEMA our country ever had, everybody working, all bills paid in full and leaves a surplus…beats all the odds against his enemies…and then post presidency puts together organizations to continue his good work and good deeds that benefit people all over the world…

    …so true, Bill was a President for the people and the village could not stand it…He would get re-elected in a landslide…

    …today was like a day in a Master Class…Obama looks like some young kid – live and learn – next to the teacher, President Bill Clinton…no teleprompter needed

  • WMCB

    The limitation is not on “consecutive” terms. Presidents get two terms, period. Sadly, Bill cannot run again.

  • WMCB

    Ewwwwwwwww! My eyes! My EEEEYYYYYYEEESSSS!

    I was thinking nice thoughts about the lovely Bill, then clicked on Drudge to see what the righties were saying….

    There is a pic on the front page of Vladimir Putin bare chested on horseback.

    I think I’m damaged for life.

  • Peggy Sue

    Wow! You Obamatrons just can’t stand the Clintons getting credit for anything can you? And you have the gall to call anyone here a koolaide drinker? Try this out: the WH stated that Clinton was on a private envoy mission, a weasel sidestep [just in case, it didn't work out or anyone complained that we were doing something unilaterally diplomatic with the North Koreans].

    You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

    Go back to sipping your own koolaide! Or are the effects wearing off?

    And if you’re a Republican? Get your weeping rag out. Bill Clinton got the job done.

  • oowawa

    Me Vlad, You Jane.

    I think how I mentioned on the “Vice Presidential Seal” thread how Russia is getting like the Wild Wild West . . .

    There’s the proof!

  • Andy

    YES!!!!!!!!! Bill and Hillary are simply THE BEST!!!!!!!
    I am right there with you ‘beachnan’ and ‘mimi’ !!!

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    Plus Kim got to make Bambi look ineffectual by accepting the visit from Bambi’s nemesis. Don’t think they missed the “racist” accusations during the campaign and the theft of the primary from Hill. He wasn’t about to have an arrogant 0zer0 representative direct from the administration come for a PR photo op.

    Truly powerful, accomplished, people like the Clintons are usually humble; they have no need to prove their power by pushing people around. They didn’t need affirmative action to achieve their successes only hard work.

  • Andy

    Well said Katmoon!!

  • helenk

    http://annienyc.blogspot.com/2009/08/msnbc-insults-bill-clinton-after.html

    dumb asses started already

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • oowawa

    Thanks for the tip, helenk! Didn’t take long, did it!?

    From the MSNBC site:

    The journalists’ release followed weeks of quiet negotiations between the State Department and the North Korean mission to the United Nations, said Daniel Sneider, associate director of research at Stanford University’s Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center.
    Clinton “didn’t go to negotiate this, he went to reap the fruits of the negotiation,” Sneider said.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    Well, he does lie through his teeth on a daily basis but I hope this is one time he’s telling the truth.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    Yep, they started on the NYT blog this afternoon. I had almost forgotten that koolaid drinkers love 0zer0 as God and absolutely hate the Clintons. It’s just hard to compute the reasoning behind this. The only thing I can come up with is insane jealousy and the understanding that Bill & Hill have the creds and that 0zer0 looks like a kindergarten drop out next to them.

  • OMG

    Oh shet. We missed out on them cleaning up after a Bush again. Hillary’s strength is really the economy and she is going to have to step in now to prevent a collapse, under the ‘foreign and domestic’ clause of the state department. The video quote: North Korea trusts the big dawg because they know he respects them.

  • connie

    Of coarse Gore ran a horrible campaign, Brazile was his campaign manager.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I voted Democratic for years, up until That One, the Boy Blunder. Since 1976, I have only voted for one winner and his name was Bill Clinton. He is simply put, amazing. He is the Gold Standard by which I will evaluate all future candidates, as I did HRC. BTW–she won hands down in my book. For want of an intelligent electorate.

  • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

    I agree.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Sorry didnt know that one…Ok so now Obama will try and take the credit I bet since it suceeded

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I have a feeling that the Obama media is probably losing ratings too. This slam at Bill will not help .
    I am just getting so tired of the media bowing down to Obama, yet pissing on anyone else.

  • OMG

    No, obama wasn’t sleeping nights because he had the trots over his nerves about NK. He cslled up the big dawg and begged him to go over and smooth it out because even Hillary wasn’t getting anywhere. So the big dog told him sure I’ll do that and while I’m at it I’ll have the girls released too. So I guess in that respect obama had something to do with it. This likely true story is actually unverified but you catch my drift.

  • Ani

    Many thanks. :)

  • kgirl1028

    i was listening to the news earlier and basically the Obama administration denied it had sent Clinton to North Korea and that Clinton had gone on a personal plane. So i guess that means bill get’s ALL the credit for this. LMAO.

  • Gary

    I had no doubt Bill Clinton would deliver. That’s what happens when you put a real man in charge. Thank You Bill. Hey Barry, you listening???

  • Peggy Sue

    Annie said:

    “The only thing I can come up with is insane jealousy and the understanding that Bill & Hill have the creds and that 0zer0 looks like a kindergarten drop out next to them.”

    Bingo!

    Of course, the gracious thing to do would be congratulate Bill Clinton for a job well done. But this crew wouldn’t know gracious if they tripped over it. It’s one thing for the Republicans to criticize–they never liked Clinton or his policies and I’d expect a swipe from Bolton et al. But this is “presumably” his own party [although it's a party I hardly recognize].

    The Far Left needs to growup!

  • Ani

    CG,

    I raise a glass to you! :)

  • justme_kc

    why is that so funny? I’ve read this entire blog and not once did I see someone saying that Obama was taking credit… nor has he. The only things being said are that he’s going to. Even Obama supporters have said that Bill gets all the credit. Why does such a happy occassion for those families have to turn into an obama trash-fest. He’s not even involved in this.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Question: Do you think Obama will take credit for socialism?

    PS: Boy are you uninformed, okay, dumb. Of course Obama had to give approval at some level. To what degree his ego will need credit remains to be seen.

  • I’m a Linda too

    And so he should.

    But really, it was he that got them free, him going only guaranteed their release. If he didn’t go, they wouldn’t have been released.

    Korea refused Al Gore (his employees-I can see the problem-and he wasn’t pres) and Billie “Boy” Richardson (smart on their side)

    Bill Clinton deserves the credit, it was he got them released.

  • rose

    the media hasbeen saying this was all planned out before the trip by the white house..CNN for one that Pres.Clinton basically just had to go there everything else was arranged ahead of time and that it was a done deal before he even left.

  • Thinker

    I’ve been saying this for years, and I’m only 28, lol.

    The Clintons get treated with so much crap by the media, but they are STILL here. Hillary and Bill could have walked away a long time ago. No politician is perfect, but I don’t think there is anyone that can say that the two of them are in politics for selfish reasons.

    Next up: Chelsea! She’s such a natural.

  • helenk

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8184698.stm

    THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO I HAVE SEEN ALL YEAR.

    Bill shows backtrack how to be a president.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • http://politicalventilation.com PoliticalVentilation.com

    Bill Clinton Takes Private Jet Abroad To Pick Up Two Women…
    In ordinary times this would be just another ordinary Headline for a typical 90’s news story. Nothing to see here people. Go home, nothing to see here! But these are not ordinary times and North Korea isn’t an ordinary threat. It’s been reported that this was a “surprise” trip. We all know this is BS. I can’t see Kim Joog Il coming out of the bathroom one morning and saying “Bill, is that you”? “I’m so surprised”!”Ah, if I’d known you were coming I’d have baked a cake”. One doesn’t travel to N. Korea in surprise fashion lest ye be shot down. So clearly the statement is false and preparations were made. Plans were in the works long enough to write Al Gore out of the script. After all, it’s Al’s network where the young ladies worked. Why didn’t he go? So bill goes to N. Korea, we get what we wanted, freedom for the two journalist, nothing more to report… except…What did Kim Jong Il get?

  • Patrick Henry

    This is Good News…Makes me happy…and I know a whole lot of other people..are Rejoicing too..

    I’m Glad Bill Clinton was Part of this moment of Freedom…and I’m glad Hillary is serving as Our SOS…Madam Secretary of State..

    I feel Good and PROUD that I wrote her name in on My ballot…and that I spoke up on Her Behalf at My Caucas Meeting..and was elected her delegate..

    I am confident she is Very Proud of Bill at this Moment..

    We Should all be…

  • Thinker

    I know right??

    That totally sounds like something that one would do.

    Amazing how so many of us on this site can see right through that clown.

  • Thinker

    It’s been said that Hillary couldn’t get through to the NK leader due to sexism.

    He referred to her as an “unintelligent schoolgirl.”

    I knew Hill would have to deal with sexism in the international scene but I was blinded by the sexism here in this country.

    It’s cool though. Like Maya Angelou said, “Rise, Hillary, Rise.”

  • helenk

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/04/MNND193S7H.DTL&feed=rss.news

    Forest Gump is alive and well Stupid is as stupid does

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Onofre’s arm

    Wow! Bill does go to considerable lengths to pick up young women! This is news?

  • helenk

    Question
    since the obots keep bringing up Bill’s affair with monica and they take monica’s place with backtrack, what does that make them? Just wondering.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • jbjd

    Almost breathtaking. President Cinton climbs the stairs to the doorway of his private plane and waits. The 2 (two)former captives are up next; he shakes hands with each as she enters the plane. He motions for his staffer to finish climbing and come aboard. Now, alone in the doorway, he looks out to his Korean hosts, standing on the tarmac. He waves; places his palm over his heart in a gesture of thanks; and salutes General Kim Jung Il (not visible), displaying appropriate respect to the leader of the country. The door closes.

    Lesson? When you are the ‘host’ – whether it’s your plane or your soiree in the Rose Garden – always let your guests go first.

  • QUEENIE

    President Bill Clinton makes me proud to be American today! I have not been able to say that for a very long time..dang we were cheated!..I always felt proud when he was our president, and i always had confidence in my government…sorry to say i have not felt that way since 2000..and especially with Bush and Obama.
    Thank You President Clinton, for going and being presidential..and getting the two young women their release!

    I had dinner tonight with 6 ladies that were all Republican and i told them About what Bill Clinton did , and they all toasted a glass of wine to him and all said..too bad Hillary is not our president, they said they can not support Obama , but the Clinton’s also make them proud to be American.

    One of the ladies asked me what party i was in and I said ..I did not have a D or R behind my name ..but an A..for American!

    Thank you President Clinton..I never gave up faith in you..ever!

  • TeakWoodKite

    Ani, They played a cut of Gibbs (on the am band), and what Disgusted said the exactly what Gibss was dribbling. In fact, as I scrolled down the thread, I was wondering if it anyone would mention this.

    If not, iwas going to do so.

    The point that the wimp Gibbs was making is that the WH did not “officially sanction, President Clinton’s trip. (Read No downside if it blew up or another painful example of “voting present”)

    Disgusted is on the money as I heard it.

    @I’m a Linda too; No mention of BO, eh?

  • btintaos

    We’re multi-tasking folks. This happy occasion has not turned into an Obama trash fest. It’s both simultaneously!

  • Onofre’s arm

    It’s good to see other people grounded in reality PoliticalVentilation. This is obviously well orchestrated political theater, and judging by the comments on this thread, it served it’s purpose. While it is of course wonderful to see the two women released, it is a shame that it happened as a result of such a transparent, phony, and somewhat embarrassing spectacle. And the question needs to be asked, what was sacrificed to Little Kim to set the stage for this production?

  • elise

    “He’s not even involved in this.”

    Please remember this for future reference, Justme. When do you think Obama will hold a press conference thanking Pres Clinton for making this trip “at our (Obama’s) request”?

  • WMCB

    Ah, the panty-sniffers are out in force. Is it much fun to be obsessed with another man’s sex life? Just curious.

  • mel

    Anyone think for a second Billl would have gone without Hillary’s asking and total knowledge?

    Any bets Kim got an earful from Bill about calling Hillary the names he called her?

    Any bets the WH thugs were hoping for a complete failure by Bill today, so they’d be able to destroy the Clinton’s further on the world stage?

    Any bets Axelrod is pulling his few remaining hairs out of his head over Team Clinton’s success today?

  • Onofre’s arm

    It’s not an obsession to be painfully aware of the monumental sexual exploits and indescretions the most exposed and prominent Lothario of all time, it’s an unavoidable observation. He, and you, should have to accept the fact that his reputation will justifiably be his self created companion for life. It’s not a reputation that was given to him, he earned it. And you have no sense of humor

  • mel

    Hey Onofre’s arm, pull your pants up and stop bending over, BO isn’t going to pleasure you tonight, he is too busy planning his next assault on racial harmony in America tonight!

  • Thinker

    Yeah, we already know that Axelrod and Obama will send out talking points to diminish The Team Clintons.

  • Thinker

    They keep bringing that up because they are jealous of Bill. It’s as simple as that.

    JFK cheated. Martin Luther King cheated on Coretta. Rudy cheated on his wife, changed the locks on her, it’s been said that his own kids barely even talk to him. Newt cheated. Dubya might have cheated with Condi “my husband” Rice, but of course, no one dragged him in a court of law to ask him about it.

    All of these men made mistakes in their personal lives, but none of them were raked over the coals like Bill was.

    It’s jealousy.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Do you think that because I haven’t lived in an informational void for the last 20 years, and I had to endure, like the rest of us, the shame that was thrust onto this nation by the activities of a libido crazed president, that I am an Obama supporter? That’s a very strange calculus Mel. And you are obviously far too dimwitted to merit any more responses from me. Perhaps you should practice your rhetoric on a rock, if you can find one dumb enough to be a fair match.

  • elise

    I guess my comment is gone forever in the filter, but I have something to say so I’ll try again.

    This is for Ono, Bolton and all the Right Wing/Left Wing who can’t celebrate the release of two young women because of blind hatred of the Clintons.

    President Clinton has traveled all over the world since he left office, usually to Third World countries, and through his foundation has given money and time to humanitarian endeavors: Pediatric AIDS, education, agriculture, medical care and the development of small business ownership. GHW Bush accompanied him to Indonesia in the aftermath of the Tsunami and his foundation helped in the recovery effort for that devastated region.

    The haters are soooo predictable. Bring up Monica’s name, spread any dirt, demand the Clintons reveal every single dime they have ever made, twist every word they have ever uttered, belittle every thing they have done for our country. Give GWB a pass because no future president will ever send him on a diplomatic mission and no one has ever demanded a Bush release information about past bankruptcies, SNL corruption, connections to the Saudis or police reports of rape.

    The left dismisses questions on Obama’s BC, his connection to Rezko, the purchase of his Chicago mansion, his friendship with Ayers and Dorn, his “present” votes and multitude of lies.

    Congratulations. You are willing to settle for fool’s gold instead of the real thing.

  • connie

    You got that right. They also knew he wanted to make life better for the common guy, and they hated that. He was a President of the people and he still is and so is she=== JEALOUSY

  • anonymous

    That show Mr. Obama has a ‘lack’ of inexperience and leadership. His foreign policy is weak.

  • viking

    OT but way worth any scolding I might get. Check this out!

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373

  • kgirl1028

    Chill out Hillaryfans and allow me, i’m not a member of the fan club, just someone who knew she was the onl moderately qualified candidate. No Koolaid breath we know the nutless wonder in the white house knew about it, he was just being the lying coward he always is, i mean this idiot won’t even take responsibility for words that actually came out of his mouth “I favor a single payer health care system” (misinformation my ass)…that way he could distance himself from clinton if it didn’t pan out or take credit for it if it did. And you know hat else i know, I know is you and obama should be kissing Billy Jeffs behind right now. One day he, hillary and most of MSM are gong to get sick of cleaning up behind Obama. HE’s only been in office six months and he’s made just as much if not more mess than Bush in eight years. And personally i’m sick and tired for being sick and tired of him and you.

  • Miss Becky

    Bill Clinton ~ best President in my lifetime. I love both Bill and Hill ~ they are the BEST!!!

  • required reading

    Watching Bill Clinton and Al Gore at the return of the two journalists from N. Korea and remembering what it was like to be proud of my President and Vice-President, warts and all. Haven’t had that feeling in a very long time….

  • BARB

    Am not sure that Hillary Clinton had anything to do with this. FoxNews and MSNBC both reported that the list of who was acceptable to come to DRNK to negotiate the release of the two idiots consisted of a list of one…and that one was Bill Clinton. Hillary Clinton could not have done this. It seems that North Korea has no respect for her:

    NORTH Korea has hit back at comments by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, describing her in an unusually personal attack as not intelligent and a “funny lady”.

    A foreign ministry spokesman quoted by the communist state’s official news agency accused Clinton of making “a spate of vulgar remarks unbecoming for her position everywhere she went since she was sworn in”.

    “We cannot but regard Mrs Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community,” the spokesman said.

    “Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping.”

    The North took particular umbrage at recent comments by Mrs Clinton likening Pyongyang’s recent missile launches to the behaviour of an unruly attention-seeking teenager.

    “Her words suggest that she is by no means intelligent,” the statement said, adding that Pyongyang is protecting itself against “the US hostile policy and nuclear threat, not to attract anyone’s attention”.

  • Texas Playwright

    Hillary and her huge team at State have been working on freeing these two women every day, as she said recently. She and Bill serve this country day in and day out. Sure, everbody’s human and fallible, including Hill and Bill. The difference between them and MO and BO is that the Clintons care about this country and its citizens and the Obamas only care about themselves.

    Truth will out.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Candymarl, BO does not take notes, if any examples of him doing so exist they are a rare find or “sealed”.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Hey Rev. Amy,

    I hate to continue to beat the drum when it comes to women receiving credit for work that they do, but have you noticed the defeaning silence with regard to Secretary Clinton’s role in this? At best, she received an “honorable mention” by the press and obama. While I’m pleased as punch that the Big Dog is getting appropriate recognition for his major role in this very delicate matter, I find it hard to believe that our Secretary of State had a lesser role than say, former VP Gore or even obama, who, by virtue of his total lack of experience, definitely does not have the nuanced understanding of foreign diplomacy and how to manuever around the mine fileds that Secretary Hillary has shown to have.

    Again, without skipping a beat, the media and the obama administration primarily focus on the men who worked behind the scenes, when I bet the farm that Secretary Clinton offered much needed wisdom and insight as to how would be the best approach in getting the outcome we all wanted, while utilizing the Big Dog as the envoy.

    When accomplished, extraordinary women are ignored, is it any wonder that the average woman on the streets is continued to marginalized and ignored?

  • sandi78

    The “shame” came from the way this hypocritical nation -and Congress-reacted to Bill’s actions. The “shame” came from the way the Republican party hounded both Clintons constantly for years.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Following is a must read from the website “The Real Barack Obama” regarding Secretary Clinton’s major role in the successful conclusion of the release of these two journalist. The media is all but ignoring her integral role, which I’m certain, as the article explains, must have really pissed off Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod.

    This administration is doing everything it can to undermine Secretary Clinton’s gravitas on the world stage, in order to keep the focus off the fact that obama is a light weight and ineffective.

    It’s up to us to make certain the truth of just how effective, knowledgeable, and savvy Secretary Clinton truly is. The obots will never admit just how lucky obama is to have her, despite his administrations efforts to minimize her role, in order to bolster obama’s. What a shame that we have a bunch of frat boyz in the WH, who are willing to sacrifice the country’s best interests because they don’t like THE WOMAN upstaging THE ONE:

    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/batchelor-kim-clinton-and-the-politburo/

  • Docelder

    The truth is whatever people believe that truth to be. Obama is playing the Clintons. when North Korea called Hillary a schoolgirl, presumably because she is female… and we respond by sending her husband to talk for her we legitimize the assertion that a female S.O.S. is incapable of dealing with foreign policy. Not because we have prejudices, but because a part of the rest of the world still does… mainly all despicable nations, but that is beside the point. Obama in one swoop made Hillary look insignificant, and made Bill out to be his errand boy. When people learn of the concessions, then it will be Bill that gave North Korea the cookies and milk. But wait there’s more. We now have three more prisoners in Iran. Will Bill deliver Iran their concessions as well? Will Hillary look like anything besides Bill’s wife when we are done here? There is no way to win for the Clinton’s in this administration. The best thing they could have done is campaign for McCain, and led the blue dogs but that is water under the bridge at this point.

  • Docelder

    But understand that Obama is co-opting those feelings. The Clinton years are being assimilated by the far left collective. The far left bastardizes and spoils everything it touches.

  • tigerbythetail

    no matter what obama and meeeeechelle do, they will ALWAYS look small compared to Bill and Hillary, because they are petty, disrespecting, greedy, freaky, unintelligent, know-nothings incapable of a thought for another human being besides themselves. the 2 journalists are free and home. President Clinton is no dummy; he knows what and what not to say to foreign leaders and is respected world-wide. obama has stolen everything he has ever gotten in life, and is a meaningless footnote in the book of American history. jes sayin’.

  • Karma

    Oh please…As a debate point against a constant Clinton basher I just offered the MSNBC line via Andrea Mitchell out of Africa. Which apparently changed rather quickly from the other posts below.

    But I completely disagree Obama doesn’t have any stomach issues over NK. He could care less about them or if the Clintons succeed on any topic. Obama is all about Obama.

  • carr50

    Amen! Couldn’t have said it better.

  • rose

    and you are ignoring the facts about other people and their sex escapades including rumors of your Dear President only they are squashed for now. then there are the famous kennedys who come also from a thug,sexist background and many women in their background and at least two women who died because of them .. forgetting all the others republican and democrat?

  • rose

    funny, how when people are threatened by the Clintons, they go back to sex or sexism against Bill and Hillary…..A little afraid of people that do their jobs in a competent,no exceptional ways? That has been republican and this administrations fall back attack when they can’t handle their own political situation…….COWARDS

  • Onofre’s arm

    Docelder, when the emotional trappings of this event are set aside, your version is fairly accurate, you have many good points. I’m glad we got the young women back, but our country also got a black eye.

    The two captive women were guilty of nothing more than crossing a border, they weren’t spies, they weren’t inadvertantly smuggling drugs, they were simply jounalists working on a human trafficking story. They were nabbed by a brutal rogue regime and sentenced to hard labor. Had they been spies, or military people caught on NK soil, a conciliatory posture would have been warranted, and apologies should be offered to get our people back. But the women were only guilty of a simple mistake, so when they were grabbed, our position should have been one of outrage. A strong President would have issued stern warnings and perhaps an ultimatum; Return our people, or pay a heavy price! I don’t recall Obama taking such a position.

    Ignoring the showy veneer of this event, it is obvious that Obama both knew of, and approved of the actions. It wasn’t BC valiantly throwing risk aside and charging in on a white horse to rescue the young ladies. Little Kim specifically wanted BC so that he could add Bill’s lip prints to the crowded collection on his scrawny ass. This wasn’t an example of Obama being upstaged by the Clintons, Obama simply didn’t want to be caught shamelessly bowing to another dictator, so he sent Clinton to do it instead. I have no doubt that Clinton wasn’t too thrilled to grovel for Obama, but he sadly had no choice, and I think BC put the best face he could on an odious assignment. An earlier and more forceful resoltion to this problem would have spared Clinton this embarrassment. I feel his pain.

    There are three captive hikers in Iran at this moment, who will Obama send to plant a big juicy smacker on Ahmadinejad’s butt?

    I can imagine the three dead Somali pirates in hell asking themselves, “What the Fu…?”

  • Ani

    Love your comment. True, that is statesmanlike behavior. Every picture tells a story.

  • Ani

    This was already wodely reported. Frankly, negotiations for this started before these remarks and you don’t waste time trying to take someone down unless you are afraid of them and know they carry a big stick.

  • Ani

    widely

  • Margaret

    Oh, so nice to see a President who actually carries himself like a President. Well done Bill Clinton!

  • Murray

    Good Question, Onofre. Perhaps the trade is the reason why Obama is publicly distancing himself from this.

  • rose

    Thank you for the link,that is interesting, being it is pretty much, what us uninformed thought from from pieces we have read or watching the propaganda networks and the denying of so many little things you have to wonder, why they deny, instead of just telling the simple truth and release the records, if there is nothing behind this. The loss or holding back of all kinds of records is amazing. They were demanding and got all kinds from Hillary and Mccain so what is the rest of the story?

  • required reading

    Oh no no no no no! My feelings are certainly NOT being “co-opted”! The more I see Bill and Hillary do good things for this country, the more angry I am that an inexperienced and arrogant poser has been elected President, with a nice but loose-lipped clown who undermines our official foreign policy as his sidekick.

  • Murray

    I wonder whether that tirade by NKorea regarding Hillary was actually a “dare” to Bill.
    “If you don’t come defend your wife, you’re chickensh*t! Nyah, nyah.”

    Heh, heh.

  • Docelder

    who will Obama send to plant a big juicy smacker on Ahmadinejad’s butt?

    Exactly yes, an we have the working model already. Ajad can just say Hillary is irrelevant, so send her husband to speak in her place. This is a terrible precedent to set, both in terms of womens rights as well as in terms of how we answer the taking of American prisoners. But is there also another more sinister pattern emerging here? Are we now astroturfing these prisoner scenarios so that we might grant concessions and have those concessions appear to be made in the interest of the prisoners when really this administration believes from the start that the concessions ultimately given should be the inherent rights of the countries receiving them to begin with? Are we to say to Israel… sorry about the nuclear neighbors, but they had our backpackers?

  • Karma

    Listening to Laura Ling describe seeing Pres Clinton….wow.

    Like others have stated it makes me extremely happy for them but sad for what we lost with the DNC selection.

  • Docelder

    Then you have natural immunity to the koolaid… as does everybody else who has a firm sense of who they are and a strong value system. But, the intent is to co-opt those feelings for those who are vulnerable.

  • Onofre’s arm

    More good points Doc.

    But the pattern that is emerging seems to be one of Obama hiding under the sheets hoping the boogie man hostile nations will simply go away. Or, give the bad guys what they want so they’ll leave us alone. Our new foriegn policy could be “What is it that you want from us?”

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I prefer Lawrence Eagleburger’s take. It’s not that big of a deal, it’s not all that sinister, and it will be a non-story a week from now.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    So, the birth certificate IS a problem…

  • Onofre’s arm

    Agreed! This discrete episode really isn’t THAT big of a deal. However, minor events have a habit of accumulating to create a more significant problem. Sort of like the broken window effect. One small broken window is no big deal by itself, but if left unrepaired, it will lead to an epidemic of busted windows.

    Eagleburger was intentionally downplaying the event because he is well aware of the 100 year old egg it left on our face, and he was minimizing the unfortunate kow-towing that Clinton had to perform.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    sources, please on the Clinton kowtowing.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Look at the pictures at the top of this thread! Clinton is clearly not enjoying the fact that he had to go ask a mentally disturbed, crackpot dictator, “May we have our people back? Pretty please with sugar on top.” I’m not claiming that Clinton grovelled because he is spineless, quite the contrary. I’m claiming that Clinton very reluctantly had to play kissy nice with Little Kim because the actual spineless worm, Obama, failed to handle the situation more forcefully earlier on. It’s sort of like a father going down to the police station and apologizing profusely to the cops in order to get them to release his son, even if he knows his son did nothing wrong. In other words, the kowtowing was an act, not Clinton’s true feelings.

  • mary

    We shall overcome!

    Hillary 2012
    Hillary 2016

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    So it’s your opinion, then, that there were concessions and that kowtowing was done based off of a picture.

    I was curious as to if the actual “trade” was already out in the media.

    I agree that Clinton doesn’t look happy, but read it more as a stern, no nonsense stance rather than a signal that he was giving something up or being conciliatory.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Bill did give something up, his mere presence as a guest of that nasty little twit is proof that he gave up his choice. I’m sure that if you asked him, he would tell you that he would have chosen to be elsewhere if he had his druthers. Let’s just say that Clinton was given the Hobson’s choice in the matter.

  • Nellie

    What about Obama and Rahm Emanuels’ BI-Sexual exploits. Think about it if you have 3-4 brain cells left.

    There are pictures of Emanuel “dating” a secret service guy. And why oh why does the one who promised such great transparency, fight like hell to keep the WH visitor logs secret. Perhaps his two old Bi-Sexual buddies Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers are sneaking in for some romps?

    If you need to put you nose in the toilet, the least you can do is sniff ALL the turds!

  • elise

    “An epidemic of broken windows”? LOL. Sec Clinton could not have gone on this mission and anyone who understands a modicum of diplomacy should be aware of this basic rule.

    Bill Clinton is a private citizen and , through the State Department, was able to secure the release of two American women who were facing twelve years in a labor camp.

    It’s much better to call a country part of an “Axis of Evil”, isn’t it? You’ve articulated your Clinton Hate, so why would your opinion be considered valuable, Ono?

    Hillary compared Kim to a teenager throwing a temper tantrum and he compared her to a school girl. A week later, two young women board Bill Clinton’s plane headed for home. Hillary got what she wanted and Bill facillated the release. She is some outstanding school girl.

    What would Condi have done?

  • Nellie

    Good reply thinker. Forgot HW Bush having a very long term affair with one of HIS advisors.

  • Nellie

    If you read the BBC link above, it says that Al Gore offered to go, but the N Korean government rejected his offer and asked for Bill Clinton.

    In other articles it is initimidated that the WH had no input on the plan, and thy said it was a “private mission”. Seems Bill, Al and Hillary did all the planning and then got the WH to agree to the trip.

    On arriving Bill DID smile at the North Korean Children, but remained stone faced throughout the 3 hour meeting with Kim Jon Il. Have you thought that might be part of his negotiating tactics?

    Clinton was ALL smiles once he saw the girls were alright if you look back at the photos.

  • IndayHill

    God Bless our President Bill Clinton and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for their love of this great nation !
    Obama could hardly wait to be in front of the camera and tried to outshine the success of the mission accomplice by President Bill Clinton.
    I don’t know about you, I am so sick seeing BHO’s face in the TV every second ! How arrogant can he be?

  • Karma

    Sorry about that OMG.. my post sounded much more harsh towards you than I had intended.

    Just disgusted with Obama and his lies on top of lies and the post sounded like I made you the target of it.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Where did I articulate my Clinton hate Elise? Grow up! Simply pointing out his flaws and indescretions isn’t proof of hate, it’s just accurate and objective reporting. I don’t hate the man, never did. Pete Rose has more hits than anybody in the history of baseball, and is undeniably one of the greatest players ever. Does his baseball accomplishments mean that it should be forbidden to ever point out that he had a personally destructive gambling habit? I certainly don’t hate him, but how could I explain to someone why he isn’t inducted into the hall of fame if I can’t describe his unethical behavior? Clinton’s past behavior will always be germain to any assessment of his current behavior, that may seem harsh, but that’s the way it is,…sorry.

    What does tend to turn my stomach though, is the type of person that falls to the ground in orgasmic convulsions everytime the Clintons are mentioned, and the type of person that sqeals like a stuck little piggy whenever anyone points out any of the multitude of Clinton blemishes. Know anybody like that Elise?

  • Wisewoman

    Pal. You do undersand that the US and NK do not have diplonmatic relationships. Since that is the case how could any current govt oficial go to NK for this release? Boy sometimes its hard not to ask why people let their emotions get the best of them instead of digging a little deeper under the reasoning hat. Think man, THINK before you type.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Madam, do you remember Madeline Albright? Are you so incredibly naive that you don’t realize that the whole thing was orchestrated far in advance. Obama, the Clintons, Al Gore, and many others were all in on the plan, and Clinton would never have gone had the outcome not been predetermined. You’re enthralled with the entertaining character of the movie and don’t wish to consider how the movie was produced and directed. That would detract from the movie’s ability to draw you into a magical fiction world. That’s the world where political architects want you to be. So, Sit back in your Barcalounger and enjoy the spectacle, while another chunk falls from the decaying structure that was once our proud national stature.

  • Deborah C

    I love it. Bill Clinton flies to No. Korea and secures the release of two American prisoners and escorts them home. Meanwhile, Obama has beer with a professor and a cop to try to undo the hoopla that was stirred up when he did his Rev Wright imitation and jumped on the cop.

    Sadly the beer story got more air time than the Korean prisoners did.

  • Seattle Moss

    One thing is for sure

    Clinton has a lot of class!
    Kim respects Clinton unlike the snake Obama.

    Why else would he ask for the real leader and grin from ear to ear with Bill’s audience.

    Clinton is like the Pope to Kim who laments having lost the enemy you know as opposed to whatever Obama represents.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Okay, we get the depth of your desperate despair.

    Either you’re part of the problem or part of the solution.

    Bill let himself be part of the solution.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Bill let himself be part of the solution.” Very good, now you get it! He was mostly a passive participant that was drawn in because Tiny Kim specifically requested him. Kim was calling the shots, because a weakling like Obama emboldens him to do so. If Little Kim had chosen Nancy Pelosi (he might be curious to observe the miracle of an embalmed yet somewhat animated human) she would have been the one chowing on kim-chee instead of Clinton. Who actually went is irrelavant, I’m glad the ladies are back, but N.Korea won this round. That’s the bottom line.

  • justme_kc

    still waiting for that predicted press conference.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Hmmmm, toilets and turds Nellie? This clearly indicates where you’re coming from, and the environment that your brain marinates in.

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