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What Does She Want!!!

Sigmund Freud was reported to confess to Ernst Jones, while traveling on a passenger ship to America, that after forty years of studying the psyche of females within his new discipline of psychoanalysis, he still had no answer to the question, what do women want?

This of course sparked many responses. Jacques Lacan provoked the query further by observing that they won’t tell, if you ask them, they can’t say it. This led Lacan to conclude that whatever it is, it lies outside speech and further led him to develop his idea of a ‘beyond’ to feminine sexuality, that makes of woman something akin to the impossible.

Without needing to stress that this is a question, concerning women, posed by men, and isn’t a question generated from women, it’s not hard to notice that, as a question, it lives. Most recently Hillary Clinton, the first viable female candidate for president of the United States, has been asked, indirectly and directly, what is it you want?

(One might here observe that the question was put forth only after Barack Obama, her Democratic rival, had declared himself the victor, without waiting for her to concede, when it was safe enough to conclude, she can’t have it anyway so it can’t hurt to ask.)

Hillary answered with surprise, why what I’ve said all along, I want a Democrat to be elected president, I want the war to end, I want the destructive Bush policies reversed, I want all Americans to have health coverage…, like, what did you think? And while her answer was both consistent and obvious to women, it didn’t settle the question, it’s still being asked.

That men have a ‘woman’ question is undeniable. When any men’s group focuses on women, that question is in the fore. Perhaps a coordinate question, put by women, is, why do men lie? Why do that say they’ll do this or that, and then they don’t. Or, they can say they love you like water but they won’t give you what you ask. I’ll look at both these questions, in the light of marital difficulties, to see if there isn’t some light Hillary’s historic campaign and the organic revulsion of some women to Barack’s ‘win,’ might yield.

I have a male friend, a psychologist, who is married and likes his wife. He noticed that even he lies to his wife, of course not about anything ‘important,’ and that his lies seem reflexive. He concluded that men learn to lie when they’re little boys, living with their demanding and insatiable mothers. He recalled that his own mother, who was busy with his father, six other children, and extensive volunteer work, made such impossible demands on him that he learned to lie to her, in order to preserve his own inviolable space. (This led me to suspect that the male problem concerning what a woman wants has an early start, and isn’t necessarily related to reality.)

Couples often go into counseling when it’s pretty much too late. The woman may have asked him many times to come to counseling, and he may have instead promised to do better. She may have told him many times what was proving impossible for her to tolerate in their marriage, and he may have promised to change, for example, to stop drinking, or to stop cheating, or to help out with the kids, or to be nice to her in front of his male friends, or to take her out sometimes, or to be romantic sometimes, but until she leaves or threatens to leave, he doesn’t act. Then, once she’s had it, and gives him his walking papers, he’s all, what did I do? What is it you want? I’ll do it, just tell me.

When you ask the man what he does for her, he often say, everything, and he lists his attributes, however he sees them. And then he’s quick to list her shortcomings. Even men with serious drug addictions whose wives have been bringing home the paycheck and entirely maintaining the family have lists of her shortcomings.

If one can condense the male complaint, it would be something like; she doesn’t revere me and find me a masculine studly specimen. And the woman’s would be, he treats me like I’m his nagging mother and he’s a free spirited teenage boy.

But, you may say, I know couples like this, where she’s the responsible one and she takes on all the hard work and he’s a drunk or a total jerk, and they are still married. And I answer, unless a woman has an unconscious plan to be a doormat, and gets her jouissance from subverting herself to maintain her man’s ‘cover,’ it’s only a matter of time. At some point he will go too far, and when that happens, it’s nearly always too late.

The too far is often reserved for a time when it’s ‘her turn.’ For example, she may do all the home chores, and put up with him ducking out to play golf, or go drink beers with the boys. But the one time, when she has a ‘special’ need, for instance she’s sick, or there is a once-in-a-lifetime event that is very important to her, and even then he fails to come through, and a do-over is impossible, so this time he can’t just promise to ‘make it up to her, that may be the ‘too far,’ and then for her it may be the ‘too late.’

I know a woman whose husband was a serial cheat, and she always forgave him, but when he had an affair with a woman she had no respect for who openly mocked her, she could no longer stand him. At that point it’s organic, she can’t stomach the creep. And then all of his offenses, that had long been papered over or justified by his ‘special circumstances,’ come back with a vengeance, and he will never have another chance with her, however much he finally realizes he can’t live without her.

Sometimes these men become enraged and may become violent. Sometimes these men ‘touch’ this loss the rest of their lives. And some men quickly locate another woman, who they can repeat the process with.

Of course not all men are the same. But, for this purpose we can divide men into two categories; those who genuinely like women, and those who dislike most women but hold certain women in a ‘special status,’ as not like ‘most’ women, those he can’t stand. Men who like woman, enjoy their woman’s company, and appreciate her talents, interests and accomplishments, and these guys usually get a lot more ‘rope’ from their woman. Women are, by constitution, if I may say so, forgiving. If a woman loves a man, she can have great reserves of tolerance and good will toward him.

Women who ‘stay married’ to philanderers often really like them, and enjoy their company because they are always ‘free’ to be themselves and to follow their talents and interests without fear of their men acting like angry rivals, without fear of being ‘reassigned’ to that group of ‘women he can’t stand.’ There is no doubt that Hillary’s husband likes women and loves her. He has been the picture of a loving husband campaigning for her, doing his best to contain his anger over the way she was mashed by the media, by the party and by her Democratic rival, only because that wasn’t useful to her aspirations. But angry he has been, like any man who loves a woman and must watch her being savaged.

2008 was long hoped to be the ‘turn’ of women, who have been supporting the Democratic Party for decades and have been promised that if there were a well-qualified woman with a real chance of winning, the party would support her candidacy.

We picked Hillary, who we see as a woman who cares about women’s lives, and who might ‘show’ the world that women can run a nation effectively and with the perspective that could change the course of our lives. Women have been always the workers of the party, as well as the small financial contributors.

Women are widely underrepresented in all areas of power, and many had feared that no qualified woman would put herself forth for the job. Gerry Farraro ran for vice president with Walter Mondale, who had no real hope of winning. It seemed to women at that time that our party had given us a token, like putting in a clumsy little league player only late in the game, after it was already effectively lost. At the time many thought that if there had been a real chance, a woman would never have been selected.

Gerry managed to highlight a new problem for female candidates – husbands: It was her husband’s business interests that were used against her. And then many of us thought, well, how can a woman run for president if she’s married to a businessman? Hillary is married to the most vetted man on the face of the earth. She was the one woman whose husband’s ‘skeletons’ were too well known. She was our chance and it was now or never.

The end is now known; male party members and ‘special female’ party members, backed Barack, a black man with an equal or superior ‘claim’ to a turn for his race. Black Americans made this country, during years of slavery, and still ongoing years of oppression and exploitation. Our party has also ‘used’ the black voting block’ to mainly elect white men, with the promise that one day it would be the turn of African Americans, who have contributed so much and received so little. Black Americans are still the creative force in our nation, keeping us honest regarding our national pride, and yes, our unpleasant racial and entitlement ‘pride.’

It could have been a fair contest, with the winner winning fairly, based on issues, but it hasn’t been that way. Barack appealed to misogyny and our party did nothing to temper ubiquitous gross and ugly ‘characterizations’ of Hillary. These men who dislike women but like ‘certain special women,’ as well ‘certain special women’ who dislike women rallied against the female candidate, and they prevailed.

Two moments of the tragic comedy showed many of us the ‘real deal.’ The first was when Barack was free to assume that he was the superior of the two, and that mainly white women and ‘racists’ were voting for Hillary. This was shown most clearly when he ‘assumed’ Hillary hoped for the job over his dead body. The second was when the party ‘settled’ the Michigan delegates by ceding to Barack some of Hillary’s pledged delegates. When that happened, the contest was over; it was ‘fixed’ for Barack. He was given pledged delegates that had not voted for him, and a few extra pledged delegates that had voted for her. If we wanted to know what they thought of us, those two moments made it quite clear.

So, now, those of us who like women and who hoped that we’d get a fair turn are really angry. This is the ‘too far,’ for us and for some of us it’s also the ‘too late.’ While I’d venture to guess we’d all say we’re glad the party nominated a black man, we’d also add that he would not have been given this historic chance were it not for Hillary.

So, to get back to the ‘what does she want?’ I’d say the question is rhetorical, no answer from a woman will be credited, it’s not a question to us, but to other men. And may now properly be expressed as, ‘what more does she want?’

Perhaps if enough of us leave our party and won’t go back, they make more promises, they’ll ask us what we want and promise to give it to us. But it’s not a real question for us, we’ve told you, you blew it, it’s too late.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    i think hillary is very smart…

    i think she has rattled Obama…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first

  • artist

    How does the DNC think this soon to be ad, will play in PA, OH and elsewhere:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo

  • voter

    That’s not an ad.

    By the way, it matters who is president.

    Democrats hope for a major boost in the GI Bill for veterans’ college benefits, at a cost of more than $50 billion over the upcoming decade. Obama supports this, but Republican John McCain and the Pentagon oppose the bill because it would award the benefits after only three years of service. They fear it would encourage people to leave the service after only one enlistment during a war.

    Already, the candidates have sparred over that one, with Obama and McCain accusing each other of playing politics with veterans issues.

    Democrats also will bring up legislation that has drawn presidential vetoes. They’ll flex muscle where they can, such as by overriding Bush’s expected veto of a $290 billion farm bill.

    They’ll also bring up bills that don’t have the two-thirds majority to override an expected veto from Bush – to drive home the issue for the election. Universal health care for children, Democrats said, will be held up as Exhibit A of the types of Democratic policies unlikely to pass under a Republican president.

    Democrats are making the same point with bills that aren’t even getting that far. Republicans blocked a bill this past week to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, probably killing global warming legislation for the year. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., suggested the exercise produced a “road map” for next year’s debate on the issue – under a new president.

    Labor and trade bills, viable or not, are favorite vehicles for Democrats to energize their base of union workers. Democrats in both chambers are introducing bills that would basically bring the nation’s free-trade agreements to a halt, a move pushed by labor unions. McCain backs free trade.

    Other tough votes loom for McCain, such as on legislation that would extend unemployment benefits, make it easier for workers to sue for wage discrimination, and ban workplace discrimination against gays, lesbians and bisexuals.

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1812546,00.html

  • lute

    Holy Shit! Larry – grab this video for an article!

  • Davebo

    Perhaps she wants you to quit hiding idiotic posts?

    Show yourself for what you are Larry!

    A pathetic excuses for a human being. With a website hosted on a Commodore 64.

    Hopefullly your idiocy, combined with the idiotic Hillary fringe has brought you some ad revenue.

    But when even the Libertarians are mocking you, it starts to look very sad.

    Say goodbye to the veritas you once had.

    And we are all looking forward to your YouTube disentigrations.

    Don’t let us down.

  • HARP

    That`s because it wasn`t the Hamas national anthem.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    you are not going to scare any hillary democrats from voting for mccain…

    it just isn’t going to work…

    You don’t know this yet because you have no idea how much we value our democratic principles…

    Obama might not care… the DNC might not care…

    but 18 million americans care

    and our numbers are growing…

    this time our votes will count.

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first

  • Dawnelle

    Gergen r u and brazile on “bo” level already????

    you dirty dawg

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    This is a sad day…

    This is not the troll i knew…

  • Uppity

    Obama cupping his sac during the Pledge. Seems about right.

  • anonimousvex

    Simple equation
    Vote McInsane = Republican

  • Uppity

    Hahahaha.

  • LN

    She wants what any self-respecting person, man or woman, would want in her circumstances…respect for what she has accomplished, the return of her duly earned delegates, and recognition that she is the only real choice to beat McCain in November.

  • Dem_base

    Excellent post Encore Encore!

    Thank you for putting in words what so many are thinking right now.

    And it is indeed too late.

    No Hillary=McCain

  • GamzulaGriffin

    I know if you are going to troll try to be creative dude. We spend a lot of time and energy here hating on OBAMA.

    At least entertain us

  • claribel borden

    Obama has a sac?

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    A Libertarian is just a Republican who owns a bong.

  • HARP

    He is toast.

    What would Hillary Clinton bring to a Democratic ticket? Answer: about three percentage points. A hypothetical Obama/Clinton ticket would currently get 52 percent, compared to 46 percent for a hypothetical McCain/Romney ticket. And if she’s not on the ticket? Sixty percent of her Democratic supporters would vote for Obama, 17 percent would vote for McCain, and 22 percent say they would stay at home in November and not vote for anyone.

    Who has the popcorn ?

  • LN

    and yes, it is indeed too late…much, much too late.

  • catherine

    If these idiots Dean, Pelosi et al are willing to sacrifice the White House because they think the Obamabrats will insure continued donations and a Dem majority congress they’re in for a huge shock.

    Not only do these Obamabrats only donate to Obama and no one else (after all they need money for their pot, video games, clothes, etc) but Hillary supporters such as myself will not only vote AGAINST Obama we will also vote AGAINST the traitors who tried to muscle out Clinton.

    Yeah, we’ve already taken down names and promise to make good on our intentions.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Michelle keeps it in her designer purse.

  • Dem_base

    McInsane=President

    Obama=loser

  • Mel

    Certainlly didn’t matter when you and the Obami’s were out trashing Hillary, why does it matter now?

    Oh yea because nothing but electing and unqualified person was all that mattered then, well too dam bad, that should of been thought of long ago when the infomercial generation of elections were more important than who best to fix the situations the country faces!

    And too bad for you college kiddies with your loans, sufferage is a real pain in the butt and a great lesson, and revenge is not the lesson here, qualifications is, and Barry certainly lacks those, so enjoy the Nov slaughter of the K-Tel Remco politician!

  • Rodhamdem

    Wow. That’s quite the put down. “Website hosted on a Commodore 64.” Were you even alive when they were making those?

  • joeysky

    Funny. I’ve seen a new breed of troll lately. I can’t honestly say it’s not the troll that I thought I knew.

  • claribel borden

    No, the only hate is for the acts of corrupt politicians taking money from terrorist entities who murder Americans, and others.

    Big difference.

    One is a republican-DNC do0fy plot to divide and conquer, in fact the ONLY republican do0fy plot to divide and conquer, the other is national security.

    Do you understand, or should I break it down more?

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

    Who has the popcorn ?

    I do!

    I own the NO QUARTER (also know as TROLL MAGNET) popcorn concession stand!

  • Dawnelle

    ohhh yes we know who they are!!

    but hey did they ever announce who GORE voted for? did he cave to the koolaid drinkers?

    damn he seems so weak these days
    he was such a ROCK star for so long
    he could have been one again by being HONEST about what was really going down

    he caved
    soooooooo many of them proved themselves yep

    we noticed

  • Joe S.

    This is a powerful article. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you completely.

    I can’t vote for Obama now, and I will not do so.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Yes, that is truly sad!

  • claribel borden

    It’s the middle east oil money, behind Obama.

    And that won’t run out yet, Soros won’t either.

    Unless some kind of corporate catastrophe hits, I mean, Enron fell in weeks, as did MCI.

    And if we run into a depression, or the stock market gets really spooked, we could be in for some hard times.

  • Tricia

    Can we all get together a Fund to put a commerical out that shows all the sexist things said in this primary race and that Obama and DNC did nothing to stop this so the people who do not watch it as close as us can see what went on. Larry can you start a fund

  • catherine

    I heard Gore say he would’nt endorse until the Convention when he votes.

  • Kerry Downs

    I’ve heard from reliable sources that the Michelle Whitey tape is supposed to drop when Larry Johnson gets a new haircut and a real job.

  • HARP

    I`ll take mine with extra butter.

  • Dawnelle

    I’ll take a medium tub with extra butter (I’m sharing with my bitter old Mom)

    kiddin MOM – she loves the burnt ones

  • Dawnelle

    Praiseeeeeeeeeeee someone!

    wooHOO!

  • so saddened

    Perhaps if enough of us leave our party and won’t go back, they make more promises, they’ll ask us what we want and promise to give it to us. But it’s not a real question for us, we’ve told you, you blew it, it’s too late.

    brava!

  • Troll Free Zone

    Freud and women, eh?
    Well, rumor has it that Freud doing analysis on women found that many women had been incested by their fathers. Freud reported that in early studies and then because those same “fathers” happened to be entitled and associates (many of them) with Freud,
    “ooops!” Freud backtracked. And everything became so mysterious, so hard to fathom.

    Now here, what do we have? A fake left liberal group of women haters who “love” women but who just happen to sort-of hate women. Gee, gosh.

    You want a new theory on why the “left” wouldn’t vote for Hillary? Want to know why they are so threatened by her? How about this: she actually was going to stand up for children. She was going to stand against the abuse and neglect of children.
    You know, “the things all Americans hold most dear.”

    Now what’s more threatening than a woman? Children given respect and rights and real love. That would shake America to the ground.

    So all those wonderful men (and many women) of the
    “left” the ones who like to pretend that there can be no distinction made between pornography and eroticism or pornography and free speech all those people who have children and have daughters and do not love them, who do not protect them. All of those worthless people. They can not have a woman who has love in her heart come to power.

    My own theory is that Bill Ayers and Dohrn are incest victims (they aren’t survivors). And that is why although Bill Ayers and his chick threatened the lives of their parents, the parents of Ayers protected him. A guilty conscience at work.

    A sick society afraid of healing. Afraid of love.
    Afraid of protecting its children.

  • LN

    Yes, all the trashing and insults and low-life blog posts are coming home to roost. You obamabots will NEVER get our votes. Just go home and cry because John McCain is packing his bags for the White House.

    Barry will NEVER be president and his filthy campaign has now done more to damage race relations in this country than anyone in my lifetime.

    congrats obamabots!

  • HARP

    You Trolls want to know ONE of the reasons we are going to screw the DNC this year ?

    In 2007 and 2008 there has not been one single debate to discuss issues of paramount importance to women. There was 1 forum to discuss gay issues. There were debates geared to Latinos. There were many many debates and fora to discuss issues of concern to African-Americans. In one single day in Iowa there were 2 events geared to the African-American population.

    But not one debate was ever held this entire election cycle to discuss issues specifically of concern to women. Not one debate was ever held this entire election cycle to discuss issues from the perspective of women. Not one debate.

    Now I love my wife and her wants and needs are important to me and if they can`t even have one debate concerning women then to Hell with them.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Having sired, reared, married and cohabitated with several women, the single commonality among them has been two “X” chromosomes.

    And shoes.

    Upper body strength disparity aside (it requires three women to perform many tasks which can be done by two men, but three women will eat less and live in the same space as two large men), I am quite comfortable with women running the world.

    But that could be from too much time in Iceland.

    Three cheers for Gyno-Americans!

    Here’s the keys to the Phantom (showing my age there, huh?); I’ll be painting the house, fixing the dog run, drilling calculus into the kids’ heads and, if I can sneak away, putting a few flies In Harm’s Way, in the vicinity of Bonnevilles and Cuththroats.

    And changing the oil in your Cherokee, baby.

  • Dawnelle

    ahhh come on puppet

    only children insult other’s by there outward appearances

    children and racists!@!!!!!

    how much do you resemble THAT remark?
    (I’m not really asking you, I don’t care really, just setting you back in your seat cuz you’re out of order puppet)

  • LN

    oooh do you have any Orville Renenbacher…with extra butter??

    This is going to be good!

  • gamzulagriffin

    Dude!

    I so totally understand and that is why I wrote a song about Hillary Clinton being an eagle which in case you didn’t know is the symbol of these great united states.

    She will totally crush the terrorists.

    Also did you hear abou the PUMAS? They are a group of women who totally hate Obama and terrorists and go around doing good deeds and such.

    You seem like someone who hates OBAMA as much as me.
    Have you heard any people talking about this anti obama restaraunt idea?

  • Kevin

    The important tactic to take is that a vote for mccain can be twice as effective as not voting (through abstention or write in), voting for mccain nullifies a vote for obama, not voting makes that obama vote count, writing in hillary can in some states be counted as for the democratic nominee. Something to think about. remember to think about the down ticket as well. Let them know your intent, a superdelegate has their own constituency to think about. Here in MA I have a pretty much locked in congressional delegation with Kennedy (not up for reelection and is doubtful to fulfill his term) Kerry, who may face a strong challenge if his republican challenger can get his petition signatures certified by the democratic secstate an (mostly) democratic county clerks. (something fishy going on here, methinks). Barney Frank is pretty much a congresscritter for life and will be the presumptive favorite for the senate when/if Ted dies/resigns/becomes mentally incompetent. (and please no comments on his condition or my apparent lack of sympathy, I lost my grandfather to brain cancer, it is terrible and I don’t wish that kind of demise upon anyone, but I’m just being real in regards to the senator’s current condition and situation, glioblastoma is inevitably fatal and most often renders the victim unable to function in a fairly short span). But in many more competitve districts and states, there are many congressional races that may be close and to teach these entitled congressional asswipes that they are not immune from our wrath would be justice well served.

  • Freedom

    Bush has established a Presidency that explicitly places itself above the law. McCain has indicated that he will further entrench this authoritarianism. Neither Congress nor the Press are willing to challenge it. Another four years may mean a permanent turn away from the essential structure of the Constitution, as the Bush way becomes “the way things are”. We and our children may never have the chance to reverse this that we have now in the imperfect, yet single, Democratic nominee. Please choose wisely!

  • Mel

    You ly hear down there with your head so far up your ass, wow, Obama making you his head of Inside intelligence?

  • fred

    This bullying her is gone to far

    Pressure is building on Hillary Clinton to ace her noon concession speech Saturday, as Democratic leaders expect her to heal the divisive wounds of the primary and at the same time signal to the 18 million voters who backed her that it’s time to close ranks behind former rival Barack Obama.
    http://tinyurl.com/5h56hz

  • gamzulagriffin

    All you are doing is profiting off of these trolls.

    Please don’t encourage them. Your energy would be much better spent thinking about my restaraunt idea. Have you heard about it?

    It has to do with hating Obama so it is not off topic

  • Kevin

    As opposed to the enlightenment that is sure to result from an Obama presidency?

  • Uppity

    I think that if obama even imagines he can kiss this well is silly. On simpler terms it would be like breaking your wife’s jaw and then returning home later with flowers and candy, only to find she’s not happy. What on earth does she want!!!!????!!!!!

    It’s broken and it can’t be fixed. It’s not just him either, it’s also his accomplices. I am sure Barky will dream up some “plan” and some “promises” and prance around and pretend he gives a rat’s butt about women. Or blue collar workers. Or Jews. or Latinos. Or Bitter Hicks, but the thing is, he has been such a preening Narcissistic asshole and so arrogant that it is truly impossible to take anything he says as sincere. The man just hasn’t got a sincere bone in his body. That is ONE thing women pick up on.

    What do we want? His ass on a plate handed to him in November.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/IJ97 Colin
  • LN

    Everything will always be blamed on her…if the party remains divided, it will be her fault. And when McCain wins, that will be her fault too.

    Wouldn’t it be funny if she decided she just couldn’t take it any more and just told them all to shove it, suspended her campaign and took this to the convention, just to see them sweat!

    But no…I expect they have threatened her with bodily harm if she isn’t a good girl…sigh!

  • Kevin

    I would love it if she delivers it in a flat monotone. Channel Ben Stein and Mr. Spock for 15 minutes, no inflection, no emotion. icongratulatesenatorobamaonhiscampaignandvictoryheisagreatmanssholeandwillwininnovemberthankyouverymuchgodblessdamnamerica…

  • Mel

    On May 31st, 2008 the so called DNP and it’s RBC decided through a vision that 600,000 voters intentions were for a candidate that of his own volkition took his name off the ticket, deserved those votes which in the DNP Charter recognizes the vote of Uncommited!

    Too bad on your worries, the DNP and the RBC proved Bush is nothing compared to their judgements throught the entire electorial campaign season, so the choosing was done, threats of what might become is an after thought to those who chose the Remco 300 million candidate!

  • Dawnelle

    u r a fk tard

  • take a breath

    Surely Obama and Michelle will run a government attuned to feminist principles?

    WHAT is it in particular (please be specific) that makes you think the DNC and BO are misogynistic?

  • http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

    “Black Americans made this country, during years of slavery, and still ongoing years of oppression and exploitation.”

    Of course, during the initial exploration of the country, white men did nothing, and all they ever did during the slave years was lie about and drink lemonade, which has been served to all those embittered,entitled, broke, out of work, gun toting Appalachians ever since.

  • Tricia

    It would be great if Hillary told Obama to go to hell tommorow!! Than go into the public sector

  • and_breathe !

    Surely Obama and Michelle will run a government attuned to feminist principles?

    WHAT is it in particular (please be specific) that makes you think the DNC and BO are misogynistic?

    This is getting hysterical.

  • LN

    After the DNC thugs who did things in this primary process that are unconstitutional and criminal, I fail to see how McCain can get much worse.

    Using voter suppression tactics on the members of your own party is abusive and shameful.

    McCain looks better every day! And please don’t worry…I WILL choose wisely, you can count on it.

  • Uppity

    Jesus Mary and Joseph you are an idiot.

  • and_breathe !

    Savages?

    hmmm

    Maybe your true colors are showing?

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    that is a bit silly…

    she is untouchable now…

    she is out of the realm of anyone ever giving her any shit…

    she has paid her dues…

    to the people who support her… to the people who believe in her…

    we know what we need to do…

    she has given us the inspiration to stand up and make our votes count…

    we are going to make it happen…

    she is a fucking legend now…

    she can retire, she can fight to the convention, she can do ANYTHING she wants…

    i will always be proud of her…

    and i am not going to judge what she decides to do next…

    i think we all now what we gotta do…

    we do it for america

    but i think when we vote we’ll think of her…

    and don’t get me wrong…. we will go to mccain if we have to but we will go with our demands too…

    we have the power now…

    thank you hillary!

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first

  • HARP

    Ever hear about the Civil War…. it was in all the papers.

  • Kevin

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652

    Worthwhile read. Uppity reminded me with her Narcissistic comment. My father is a NPD “sufferer” actually those around him suffer from it. check it out

  • voter

    I’m far past college, thank you, but really — this is politics.

    Sometimes the candidate you really wanted loses and you don’t like it and you think she or he was treated unfairly.

    But voting is not an act of individual therapy, a way to say that you’re mad at your candidate being rejected.

    Voting is a way of signaling what policies you want.

    So which do you like better? Republican ones, like the ones we’ve had the last 8 years, or Democratic ones?

  • LN

    How about Barry flipping off Hillary during the debate?

    How about the DNC NEVER protesting (until Precious proclaimed himself the Chosen One) the outrageous sexist treatment of Hillary by the media and political pundits?

  • Tricia

    How about on CNN on Wolfe show and Alex whats his name called Hillary and all woman a Bitch as Donna Brazile sat by and said nothing. Thats just one.

  • voter

    You’re pretty good at making up numbers.

  • AF catfish

    Hey can you not use the word “savage”? Thanks I would like to enjoy those videos.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    dude,

    this type of shit is not cool…

    those are just people…

    they are like you and me… this isn’t about the american people…

    this is about Obama and his gang of criminals stealing votes and sabotaging the democratic process for their own personal gain…

  • LN

    According to the dictionary, savage means brutal, wild and uncontrolled.

    Your not so subtle suggestion of race baiting is unappreciated.

  • blueasthesky

    But when even the Libertarians are mocking you, it starts to look very sad.

    The Libertarians mock everybody. They can’t get anybody to vote for them or to agree with their philosophy, so they just pat themselves on the back and tell each other how much smarter and more sophisticated they are than anybody else.

  • Tricia

    How about Randi Rhodes calling Hillary a Whore while she was hosting an event to raise money for Obama and Obama had a chance to stand up for woman and he did nothing again.

  • AF catfish

    My mother is one. But she’s not as bad as Obama.

  • Clinton Fan

    Oh, it WILL be an ad. Only an idiot thinks it won’t.

    The GOP isn’t going to play the pander game or worry about the faux outrage of the Obamanuts.
    See, they aren’t playing to THEM. They’re playing to the majority of the nation who find Obama inexperienced, unready, pompous, and didactic.

    A veto-proof majority can, and will, keep McCain boxed in.

    Provided, of course, that the Democrats in the Congress do some work for a change.

    That bullshit about “Ewwwww, a GOP President is DOOM, I say, DOOM!!” doesn’t work.

    Vote for Johnny to tell the DNC they’ve fucked up. Vote for the D for the House and Senate races–to keep Johnny boxed in.

    Easy. Peasy.

    See, we do have somewhere else to go–we’ll go where we need to go to teach the misogynists in the DNC a little lesson. If they don’t speak for us, we aren’t putting up with them. You don’t REWARD pisspoor behavior. Unless you’re stupid, and that’s not OUR problem.

  • and_breathe !

    Sorry, Alex who?

    Not trolling, just interested.

    Do you mean Axel? I was not aware of this.

  • Uppity

    Do they really think she will change our disgust with Obama? These people are playing with themselves in the dark.

    Besides, nothing is going to change who he is, what he is, and who he hangs out with. That’s the REAL problem with Obama. I’ve watched plenty of primaries where my favored candidate didn’t win. I accepted it and was able to live with the one who won. This is different not just because of Hillary, but because of What Barack Obama Is.

  • dgoe

    “What Does She Want!”

    That is such an obnoxious question.

    Another way for the media to belittle Hillary. Which is of course why they keep asking it. Actually it is a very sexist question.

  • cc

    unfortunately I won’t vote bo even IF hillary is on the ticket.

  • Tricia

    How about calling a reporter Sweetie and not answering her question

  • LN

    Ha Ha!!

  • Kevin
  • Uppity

    Oh Look! The Race Card! Why we haven’t seen that played in at least an hour!

  • cc

    oh yes…a@@wipe mccaskill is my congressman. I’d call her a woman, but have you seen her? anyway, I already wrote claire and told her I’d NEVER vote for her again because of her disgusting Obama pimping.

  • Clinton Fan

    Yep–I’ve never seen such vitriol. And don’t tell me that shit, that attitude, didn’t come from the campaign. The fish rots from the head, after all.

    I agree with your entire post. Well said.

  • and_breathe !

    I don’t see how Randi was sexist?

    It’s no different than if she called Obama an Asshole.

    Whore is a term of abuse that women often use for each other.

  • Uppity

    You can and I will. They are savages.

  • Tricia
  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    please don’t mistake our anger with Obama’s vote stealing etc etc with your hatred of any group of americans…

    you make me sick…

  • Uppity

    OH yeah like I am going to repeat all of that just for you.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

    If you are implying racism the word has many meanings that are not racist:

    sav·age
    –adjective
    1. fierce, ferocious, or cruel; untamed: savage beasts.
    2. uncivilized; barbarous: savage tribes.
    3. enraged or furiously angry, as a person.
    4. unpolished; rude: savage manners.
    5. wild or rugged, as country or scenery: savage wilderness.
    6. Archaic. uncultivated; growing wild.
    –noun
    7. an uncivilized human being.
    8. a fierce, brutal, or cruel person.
    9. a rude, boorish person.
    10. a member of a preliterate society.
    –verb (used with object)
    11. to assault and maul by biting, rending, goring, etc.; tear at or mutilate: numerous sheep savaged by dogs.
    12. to attack or criticize thoroughly or remorselessly; excoriate: a play savaged by the critics.

  • LN

    Yes and how about that woman who was an adviser to the nobama campaign who called Hillary a monster?

  • cc

    EXACTLY!

  • LN

    I beg your pardon!

  • and_breathe !

    Why are so many prominent women politicians, bloggers and celebs lining up to support Obama if his campaign is sexist.

    I think HC has used “sexism” to manipulate uninformed voters far more often than BO has used “racism”.

    There seems to be no balance on this site. It is very very one sided.

    (p.s. I was directed here by Reddit, so I’m sure you can form an opinion on me from that)!

  • Uppity

    Whore is a term of abuse that women often use for each other.

    What kind of women to you hang out with anyhow?

  • Clinton Fan

    Ewww…because the SIZE of your WEBSITE is what makes you “KEWL” is that it? A “hideous excuse for a human being” is an asshole who continues to antagonize people for sheer sport–and that IS what you’re doing. If this is your idea of winning hearts and minds, you’re about as smart as that idiot you tout.

    Sorry, punk. That kind of immature insulting’s not sny substitute for balls. But then, you don’t have any, so how can you even relate?

    “Tool.” Have some more Kool Aid. Oh, your mom is calling–she wants you to take out the trash.

  • LN

    Because they have been enchanted by the Lightwalker…

    or perhaps they have no critical thinking skills…

    or maybe it’s because they are just stupid.

  • and_breathe !

    So far it just seems to be women who are “sexist” towards her.

    Are these people down on all woman-kind or are they just anti-hillary?

  • cc

    F U!

  • eli

    This is a thoughtful and very interesting piece. As a young male, I know that it is too easy to fall into a sexist view of the world.

    But where I can’t follow is where you get to the crux of how this translates into this election being a “tragic comedy”

    Two moments of the tragic comedy showed many of us the ‘real deal.’ The first was when Barack was free to assume that he was the superior of the two, and that mainly white women and ‘racists’ were voting for Hillary. This was shown most clearly when he ‘assumed’ Hillary hoped for the job over his dead body. The second was when the party ‘settled’ the Michigan delegates by ceding to Barack some of Hillary’s pledged delegates. When that happened, the contest was over; it was ‘fixed’ for Barack. He was given pledged delegates that had not voted for him, and a few extra pledged delegates that had voted for her. If we wanted to know what they thought of us, those two moments made it quite clear.

    There was clearly sexism being thrown at Hillary, but I don’t think the Democratic Party or Barack Obama had a hand in that.

    About the first moment you describe: Barack Obama never “assumed” Hillary hoped for his job over his dead body? When did he do that? Show me a quote? Yes, some people speculated about Hillary’s RFK reference, but did Barack Obama? Can you attribute other people’s sexism to Barack Obama?

    About the second: You really think this was “fixed’ for Barack OBama, when the Rules Committee had as many Clinton as Obama supporters (even more, I’ve read)? Would it have been fair to give Barack Obama ZERO pledged delegates from Michigan but still give Hillary her full share, when Michigan violated the DNC rules (rules that Hillary’s team helped to craft), and as a consequence Barack Obama’s name was not on the ballot? If Barack was given ZERO delegates and Hillary her fair share, would it have been as much a rebuke to ALL black people as you say their actions were to women? Was it not a democratic process that the DNC took to resolve the situation? I think they did what they thought was best with a crap situation, one that Michigan had brought upon itself. It’s hard for me to understand the alternative view, in which they were acting from clearly-sexist or clearly anti-Hillary motives.

    Some people in the media engaged in sexism and misogyny, which was not fair. Some also made racial and racist assertions. No process is 100% fair; but this one most was….

  • annagain

    Yes, they did blow it and it is too late. Both my husband and I are leaving this party as of Tuesday, June 10th and registering as Independents. Bless my hubby — just as enraged over this situation as I am.

    I have never seen a candidate treated more disrespectfully — and just for good measure, last Saturday, the DNC and the Rules Committee killed Democracy, too.

    The DNC, MSM and party elites ‘listen’ to women the same way as some dysfunctional/misogynist men you refer to above — it’s the garbage in/garbage out theory. You talk to them and they sort of get the gist — meaning they take in about 20% of what you say. This is the nagging mother syndrome, I think, where boys just tune out the mother’s request. They are taught to do it and some never unlearn this behavior. We are all taught that a man’s word is to be taken more seriously than a woman’s.

    That is why in the media they think we will ‘get over it and get in line in November’ — the cretinous Chris Matthews is a perfect case in point. He was never taught to respect the gravity of a woman’s words.

    There are plenty of women in the media, who, once succeeding in a man’s world, bond with the offender — they make it clear — ok, it’s great that you let me be successful, but I’ll hate Hillary, too — see I’m not like her. I don’t want to reach that high. Thereby they protect their own position without disturbing the status quo. Andrea Mitchell and Maureen Dowd are perfect cases in point. How sad for them. They betray themselves and us. Both men and women.

    The idea that men have integrity and honor is commonplace. However, I don’t see that women are thought of as having these qualities.

    Well, I happen to have a lot of integrity and honor. Once I give me word I do not break it. Nor have I ever.

    Here is my word: I will never, under any circumstances vote for the dissembling, divisive, inexperienced and uber-arrogant ‘sweetie’, Barack Obama.

    By the way, my husband, also possessed of integrity and honor, will never vote for him either.

    Country before party.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    or maybe because they want a slice of the cash money Obama and his accomplisses are throwing around?

    not everyone has scruples….

    it doesn’t matter if you have tits or not….

  • Gun665

    We did choose wisely – we chose Hillary. DNC chose Barky. Now live with it.

  • and_breathe !

    I was talking about people within the DNC or BO’s camp being overtly sexist…

    Alex Castellanos is a U.S. Republican Party political media consultant. He worked on Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, and allegedly also met with Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson.(wiki)

    It is NOT a demonstration of sexism that Brazile did not immediately put Alex down!

  • Clinton Fan

    Only an idiot doesn’t realize that Obama is as GOP as McCain….only he has a three word bullshit slogan to go along with his bullshit generalities and platitudes.

    This guy is in bed with the nuke power industry, the coal industry, the national defense clowns (earmarks for his big donor pals, there), and while he doesn’t take money from WASHINGTON lobbyists, he lets them BUNDLE for him, and he takes money from state lobbyists.

    He’s stupid, inexperienced, corrupt, and a LIAR. And you’re a fool for being uncritical of him.

    So, the choice NOW is between the closet Republican and the out one. I’ll take the one who’s out of the closet.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    AMEN!!!

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first

  • and_breathe !

    I hang around with women aged 22-41 and I have seriously lost count of the number of times I have heard women describe other females as whores, sluts, bitches or cows.

    We are living in a post-feminist world now and words like these are joining cunt, asshole, dickhead, douchebag as generic terms of abuse.

    Not everything is racist, sexist anymore.

  • Tricia

    Watch this video and you tell me what Obama is doing he is a pig
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsdHoAy4aM

  • ulahane

    How sad that we’ve sunk so low.

  • Clinton Fan

    Yeah, and if Johnny decides to put, say, Olympia Snow on his ticket, Team assBO can go fuck themselves.

  • Clinton Fan

    Yeah, and if Johnny decides to put, say, Olympia Snow on his ticket, Team assBO can go fuck themselves.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Check out these videos i posted today on my blog. You nmay have seen them already but, I believe they are still as powerful today as they were when they first came out

  • and_breathe !

    Fox News and Karl Rove have really stoked this misogynist thing.

    At first DNC repres. had no idea how to handle it…

    You have all been trolled by the GOP and some of you here seem to have swallowed it hook line and sinker.

    I keep hearing people saying “fox news is better, at least they give hillary a fair chance…”

    This is The GOP stirring the pot!!!

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    uh…

    Obama should only get the votes that were cast for him in Michigan…

    that is how democracy fucking works,,,

    do we really need to have a discussion on why this is important???

    i dunno sometimes…

  • Tricia

    I am leaving the party also I am going to cut my Voter card in the shape of a pig and send it to the DNC

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    eddragon62.blogspot.com/

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    When the Mooooon is in the Seventh Hoooouse!!!!
    And Jupiteeerrrrr aligns with Mars!!!!!!!

    Then Peeeeeeeeeeace will guide the Planet!!!!
    And luv will steer the stars!!!!!!

    NOT!!!!

  • Kevin

    Dear shithead,
    How about the paid obamabert trolls who come onto this and other pro-clinton sites, call my mother and other people’s mothers the c-word and b-word? These are his paid staffers, who through the miracle of internet anominity, can toss vulgarities at women, call anyone who questions the saviour’s qualifications a racist, and engage in juvenile antics in a otherwise civilized forum? Do you think I really want another 4 years of republican rule? Have any of you obama trolls seen anyone here use the term n**ger like you use c*nt or b**ch? What are you? Some gangsta rap listening suburban white punk with a NC size 8 3/8 hat with the stickers on it? Can you get it through your tiny little pinhead that those terms are as offensive to women as racist epithets? Do you fucking get it? Do you understand? Is your reality so far removed from actual consequences that you never once in your miserable life actually had to face a real pissed off human who wants to do more than give you a fucking time out? Did you ever talk to your mother like that? If you did and your father didn’t tear you a new asshole, then he’s not a man in my book. I don’t need to defend the women here,trust me they are more than capable of dissecting worms and beating shits like you up verbally, but the blatant sexist bullshit you slimy little assholes spew makes me want to puke. Then you turn around and scream racist when confronted with any negative opinion of the chosen one.
    Yob tvoyu mat

  • and_breathe !

    It is not sad, it is progress and equality IMO. :)

    (western) Women today have never been more empowered.

    Granted, we still live in a phallocracy, but HC is not the natural answer to this fact.

    If her campaign hadn’t been misdirected by Mark Penn then she would be nominee now, but hey ho!

    There will be other, better female candidates in the future..

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    >>> called DNP and it’s RBC decided through a vision

    Got their number? I’d like to beat the SPread on Florida vs. LSU next fall…

  • Clinton Fan

    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is it….EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mimi

    “He’s stupid, inexperienced, corrupt, and a LIAR.
    “So, the choice NOW is between the closet Republican and the out one. I’ll take the one who’s out of the closet.”

    See this says it best. Especially the stupid/inexperienced/corrupt/LIAR part.

    Plus, when are the Obama supporters going to get it through their thick skulls that WE DESPISE YOUR CANDIDATE AND WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DID to Hillary and her supporters?

    “Message to base: stay home” (Brazile)

    Well I got one of my own:

    Message to DNC: the base is going to help McCain kick Obama’ race-baiting ass!

  • jernide

    wel I’ll be danged. As merry a hive of HRC fans as ever existed. Happy days, folks.

  • Vet4Hill

    I would say “FREAKS”… Is that better?

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Pretty cool. Massuh Lincoln (Emanci-motherf****ng-pater of the Slaves!) freed slaves he didn’t own in a country over which he did not preside.

    VERY GW Bush-ish!

    Ever read about Reconstruction?

  • Clinton Fan

    Yeah, like all those black little savages in LORD OF THE FLIES.

    Maybe YOUR true colors are showing.

    ASSume much?

  • anonimousvex

    Wait, I thought he is a communist, now I am really confused?!111

  • annagain

    Yes — the election was ‘fixed’ from the beginning.

    Several states moved their primaries up beyond the legal limit — including S.Carolina and New Hampshire (states Obama was supposed to win – favored by his demographics) — with no penalty.

    MI & FL got the death penalty — which is against party rules — the most they should have been penalized was 50% loss of delegates.

    Obama took his name off the ballot in MI as a strategy because he knew he was down in the polls 20 pts.

    Think about this — Hillary won NH and NV — even with half delegates, her substantial wins in FL and MI would have given her lots of pledged delegates, together with her haul on Super Duper Tuesday, she would have been impossible for him to catch — plus those states counting, even in part would have given her BIG momentum. She would have been declared our nominee that night.

    When she declared her candidacy, he declared a week later. What is the only way to stop the first viable female candidate? With a white man — absolutely not. This was divide and conquer. Everyone else on the stage was running to beat her.

    Together with the misogynist media, the DNC let it all unfold and never stepped up to say anything whatsoever in her defense.

    Yes, the fix was in.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Everybody wants to play The White House (soon to be known as “O and Mickey’s Juke”), so the Performing Classes will kiss those asses.

    Quincy Jones is probably redoing the acoustics at 1600, even as we speak…

  • and_breathe !

    that is how democracy fucking works,,,

    It is only possible through established rules.

    Rules that FL and MI knowing broke, with Clinton and Ickes full approval.

    It fitted HC’s strategy at the time to abandoned these votes, yet she was in Florida anyways the day before the “primary”..

    Except she labeled this “money raising”.

    NB. Yes, I know that Obama’s ads went out there too.

  • Vet4Hill

    And, it’s NOT a demonstration of racism when racist jokes are condoned…..

  • jadwiga

    Go PUMA, Tricia!

  • Kevin

    Here’s what to say on election day

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  • Vet4Hill

    What about the 10% of blacks voting for Hillary, are they self-hating blacks?

  • Clinton Fan

    You must be retarded. Or deaf AND blind. Or all of the above.

    Stop with the Helen Keller naivete, review your buddy’s campaign tactics, and all will become clear to you.

    Unless, of course, you are retarded.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    You see, Bill and Hillary weren’t sufficiently deferential to the the Beltway Cultists for eight years. That left a lot of backed-up horseshit inside those people.

    Now they are playing catch-up, crapping all over HRC and Bubba and treating them as parvenu white trash from Arkansas.

    Exactly as they did Carter.

    I now only read WaPo and NYT for the obituaries!

  • Clinton Fan

    You hang out with a bunch of idiots, apparently, who have no respect for themselves or others.

    Don’t forget–Imus got fired for using the term.

    It isn’t “OK” under any circumstance.

    Trying to parse and make it seem OK is a load of bullshit.

  • Vet4Hill

    Let’s hope that in the present we will not allow affirmative action in the White House!

    YES, I MEAN YOUR OBAMBI, THE TOKEN.

  • mimi

    My heels are dug in. If I made it through George W. Bush, I can make it 4 more years with McCain who Kerry wanted for his VP, btw.

    The DNC failed to realize one crucial thing not all people are as stupid as Obamatons. 18 million of us are real smart. Smart enough to recognized the con game the DNC pulled and Obama’s race-baiting tactics.

    Did people hear about the stupid email Coward Dean’s brother is sending around, trying to evoke an empathy about the way he felt when his brother was knocked out of the race and he was so angry and so he understands Hillary’s supporters’ pain?

    I spit on him and his coward brother! I intend to be part of the blistering landslide his fraud candidate will face in Nov.

    Have fun with your new voters and funders. You’ll not get another dime from me.

  • Clinton Fan

    No, Obamanuts calling Clinton Bitch, whore and cxnt “stoked this misogynist thing.” Not Rove. Not the GOP.

    Team Obama has the big spoon. They stirred the pot. They shit in it, too. Now you EAT up!

    You can’t “get by” by blaming this on others. It’s all on Team Obama, Crew of Assholes.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Ugly Is as Ugly Does…in this case, UuuuuggLEEEEE!!!

  • karen for Clinton

    ” Gerry Farraro ran for vice president with Walter Mondale, who had no real hope of winning.”

    Yet another time I remember well when the party was more than happy to say “oh well, Why not? We’re going to lose anyway.” and never even really tried.

    That’s the difference between Hillary and Obama.

    The BIGGEST difference and the one that matters most.

    She CAN win! She can win this thing, she is tough as nails and like you said her husband is not only vetted he is a friggin SUCCESS story that puts every single other democrat to shame.

    Hillary should sooooo ask the party for a Divorce.

    Blow their minds switch to INDY – just like so many of her voter base did.

    What do we want? We want a president we can trust and who shares our values. We want someone who lifts us up and doesn’t knock us down. We want someone who is a role model and makes us proud of who they are. We want an oak who can be a willow.

    Boneheads need not apply.

  • mahaska

    how about offering a kiss to a reporter if she would vote for him. how about sticking out his crotch on that bus and saying, oh that’s just my cell phone. Believe me buddy, I didn’t think it was anything else.

  • AF catfish

    I was for Dean and this time it is just not the same.

    I really hope he doesn’t get a veep for at least a month. I want people to see him on his own in the spotlight, without anybody for him to hide behind.

  • mahaska

    they count on the anonymity of the internet. But if any of those little buggers ever calls me c*** to my face I will rip off his arm and beat him with the bloody end of it.

  • mahaska

    no we don’t. what planet do you live on anyway.

  • Susan1968

    The problem is men often think a woman SHOULD want what they think she SHOULD want.

    So, even when a woman answers the question, men often respond, “Yeah, but what do you want?”

    Hillary wants to be president.

    “Yeah, but what does she want?”

    Hillary wants to make it clear she can win an electoral majority in the general election whereas Obama’s chances are dubious.

    “Yeah, but what does she want?”

    Hillary wants the SuperDelegates to see she is a more viable General Election candidate.

    “Yeah, but what does she want?”

    You see, they want her to “want to” CONCEDE to Obama and ENDORSE Obama.

    So now Hillary has crafted her response to satisify them to a small degree (she will “suspend” bher campaign and “support” Obama) while keeping the last possibility open to get what she has always wanted: To be POTUS.

    Because they didn’t believe her the first time.

    If Obama crashes and burns before Denver, she may get what she wants.

    GO Hillary!

  • hats

    Great videos. Keep them up for all to see! After all, out of sight, out of mind. Lest we forget! I think not!

  • mahaska

    Are you a prostitute? I’ve only heard stuff like that from women being arrested on Cops.

  • and_breathe !

    This is why this has been a battle of young vs old more than anything!

    I am certainly more guilty of being ageist than sexist or racist.

    The same goes for my wonderful friends.

    You are all welcome to join the republicans and I know you probably will.

  • and_breathe !

    TOKEN SHMOKEN

    It feels to Obama fans that HC would be the beneficiary of affirmative action!

    She had no more right to the nomination than anyone else.

  • and_breathe !

    How old are you and where do you live.

    Is it under a rock? lol

  • and_breathe !

    Just realized!

    WTF is sexist about calling someone a monster!!?!111

  • Redd

    Sad to see democrats so divided the only ones laughing are the Republicans! HAHA! Democrats are weak. Obama will not win because his black and hillary cant win because she needs Obamatron voters in 2012. I never thought Dems would screw this up.

  • Redd

    Sad to see democrats so divided the only ones laughing are the Republicans! HAHA! Democrats are weak. Obama will not win because his black and hillary cant win because she needs Obamatron voters in 2012. I never thought Dems would screw this up.

  • mimi

    Sorry Senator Clinton, no can do!!

    It’s no longer about you! It’s about what the DNC, Obama and his supporters have done.

    If he wants my vote these are my conditions:

    Explain why SC was not punished for moving their Primary up???

    Tell Obama and Michelle to come out and publicly grovel before Bill and Hillary Clinton for playing the race card on them fraudently. They must confess to the black community that they lied on the Clintons. And if the black community wants their black president so bad, then they will also beg the the Clintons for their forgiveness.

    Fire Howard Dean and Donna Brazile. The Networks must also not allow her on the air as a consultant.

    Speaker Pelosi must apologize to all women in a public statement for being such a turncoat biatch!

    Obama also has to admit that his campaign funds are not all grassroot donations and that he accepts PAC money.

    Obama must pull his white grandmother from under the bus and apologize to her in a public rally attended by large numbers of AAs. He must pay hommage to her for her sacrifices in affording him the best education possible. And admit that he wouldn’t have gotten as far as he has without the support of this ‘typical white person.’

    Obama must apologize to Geraldine Ferraro.

    Oprah must donate a sizeable amount of her wealth to start a foundation to end Misogyny in American Society, starting with the media.

    Obama must adopt Hillary’s health care plan and sign his name in blood to a contract that says he will implement it within the 1st year of his presidency. If not, he cannot seek a second term.

    Obama must publicly condemn msnbc & their gang of misogynists masquerading as journalists: Russert, Matthews, Olberman, Shuster.

    These are my terms. I reserve the right to add more as I come across them. If they are not met 30 days before the GE, then I vote for McCain.

    And there’s nothing Hillary can do or say will change my vote. She didn’t do the damage so it’s not hers to fix.

    Got it? ;)

  • mimi

    by and_breathe!

    You planning to die soon?

    Because although it’s true you will never in this lifetime be a woman or a black person, as sure as Christmas comes every Dec. you will grow old.

    Or are you planning to live fast, die young and leave a beautfiul corpse?

    Could you arrrange that before Nov if possible?

  • anonimousvex

    30 year democrat. Usually the circle is a firing squad, now it’s a backstab squad. Amazing

  • NY still loves Hillary

    Signs and symptoms

    Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

    * Believing that you’re better than others
    * Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
    * Exaggerating your achievements or talents
    * Expecting constant praise and admiration
    * Believing that you’re special
    * Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
    * Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
    * Taking advantage of others
    * Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
    * Being jealous of others
    * Believing that others are jealous of you
    * Trouble keeping healthy relationships
    * Setting unrealistic goals
    * Being easily hurt and rejected
    * Having a fragile self-esteem
    * Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

    Sound like anyone who’s the “presumptive nominee”?

    Encore – this was a very well written and (imho) spot on piece. Thank you for saying it. No one else will.

  • NY still loves Hillary

    Eli,

    I cannot begin to tell you how sick you make me. Instead, I will merely let fate exact its own vengeance on you and pray that I have ringside seats and popcorn when your narrow minded ignorance comes back to bite you in the ass. In the meantime, you might want to move out of your mother’s basement, or at least pay her a little rent. At a bare minimum, you could buy your own Mountain Dew and clean up the bathroom after you.. you know…*think* about Obama.

  • gamzulagriffin

    Dude- Where have you been?

    Did you post any videos of that time when OButtMa (good one huh?)
    Totally tried to kill you at that dinner party when he was all up in your grill and cuss wording and everything.

    I have been telling people that story and I think it is making a difference people are realy starting to listen.

    I am going to visit your blog and check it out. if I draw a real funny picture of Obama do you think you could post it on your blog for me?

  • gamzulagriffin

    I think Dawnelle was just expressing herself, no need to call her names.

  • Tigger12

    ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

  • and_breathe !

    Viva la revolution!

    The Clinton/Bush era is OVER.

  • Tigger12

    Oh Please!!!! Once again….are you kidding ME????????

  • Susan1968

    The sad part is there are other MORE QUALIFIED African American candidates than Obama.

    That’s the real tragedy.

    But they are “too black” for the closet “some of my best friends are Black” lily white elite progressives who would never take a stroll in Harlem.

    Obama is an AxelRove, Chicago pol-machine creation whipped up for YouTube and jsu white enough to not make the Kennedy and Kerry nervous.

  • bambi’s brother

    you can hardly compare the two situations. Do you like to be under the complete power of another human being?

  • mahaska

    You calling me out?

  • mahaska

    what’s sexist about calling an asshole an asshole as you suggested in an earlier post.

  • drkate

    ok so you dissed the whole patriotism issue becaue you don’t think its an ad. Well, let me tell you, it certainly ADvertises Obambi’s idiocy regarding the pin and the flag and the proper decorum for the national anthem.

    It is disgraceful, as a matter of fact. And now that he is literally wearing his patriotism on his lapel in the form of a flag pin just shows his incredible disrespect. Seriously this guy has pyschological problems.

  • bambi’s brother

    oh, yeah, this is her doing? She’s soooooo powerful. (you’re silly)

  • drkate

    I thought it was a cucumber?

  • SallySS

    Enjoy your “hate” people, it’s like cancer, it will surely kill you!

  • drkate

    Obambi isn’t going to give up those powers either, you know. Have you heard him say anything about this? No, he wants the power but I don’t think he grasps the enormity and danger of it. Wake up!

  • drkate

    Obambi isn’t going to give up those powers either, you know. Have you heard him say anything about this? No, he wants the power but I don’t think he grasps the enormity and danger of it. Wake up!

  • drkate

    you’re transparent. and playing dumb.

    if you don’t like it here go away, you’re not changing any minds and won’t.

    go work on your white guilt somewhere else.

  • bambi’s brother’s sister

    no bigger rock star though, and trust me, they could have selected worse as well as better. Barack’s just a politician, and his reason to run was to beat her, so, he beat her. I don’t hold it against him, the party is responsible, women are party members, we were sucker punched by our own party.

  • encore encore

    we tried to warn them.

  • drkate

    ok then, if you think this is common to refer women by these names, what about the “n” word? That I have heard ONLY among black people, and never said to a black person.

    you have a limited circle and you are lying.

  • encore encore

    what does she ‘really’ want. They constantly told us what nefarious thing she really meant too. What dunderheads are running our party and getting the media big bucks. Bunch of fools. Hillary is more qualified than any other candidate seeing the presidency has ever been, or likely ever will be. She’s unique, so totally competent, and she has respect for professionals, for experts, she’s a team player and she knows how to hire the best and fire hacks. This whole thing sucks.

  • drkate

    hey keith oberman, is that you? Or is it “sweetie” Obambi who is “likeable enough”? you are transparent, playing dumb, and sick.

  • encore encore

    i’ll probably say it again, or something else. I’ve got a writer’s spot here now and hope to crank out one a week. It’s the Lacanian spot, hope to see you next time too, great post, thanks.

  • bambi’s brother’s

    anger isn’t hate. Anger saves lives, when a woman can escape in time.

  • drkate

    no, it is empowering as we shake off the chains of the DNC and the racist crowd that comes with Obama. Here’s to June 10th, independence day, and to making sure Obambi loses to McCain!

  • izarradar

    We have become our worst enemy.

    We are who we have been waiting for—and fearing.

    Democrats are the only ones who can fix the Democratic Party.

    It needs a tune-up.

    Yes, we can!

    We are the ones who…wait…who have to. Do the fixing.

    Can we stand four years of this kind of rhetoric????

  • TheViking

    Vote Obuma = Bum

  • WildChild

    Hitler never shot a Jew. But the folks working for him killed about 6 million. The Obama campaign was pushing the Bosnia story even though Barack was publicly saying it weren’t no big thang. The Obama campaign was pushing the story that Hillary wanted him murdered even though Barack was saying that she weren’t meanin it. I generally don’t like making comparisons to Adolph but in his beginning he had this tendency to say one thing for public consumption while his boys were out and about doing the exact opposite. George Bush did the same thing. The worst thing that can be said about Hillary is that during this campaign she told a few fish stories. But there was no conspiracy. There was no organization loyal to her that was willfully acting contrary to her words. You Obamasives say you are turning the page on the past, but you are the past. You have dragged up its darkest and deepest night and tried pass it off and sell it to us as the day. And, we are not buying.

  • criticalthinker

    She hangs out with women who abuse each other and themselves.

  • criticalthinker

    Uppity:

    She hangs out with women who abuse each other and themselves.

  • fly

    i have a new batch popping!!!!!!!!!!

  • Briar

    What women want is exactly what men have. The right to be entirely themselves, to express their abilities and ambitions and ideals (if they have them) without having to constantly refer to men: are we sexy enough? Are we feminine enough? Do we still please you? Since men are never going to grant women the right to be fully human, not just potential wives and mothers, or whores, they just can’t hear this answer. It would spoil the little fantasy in which they are wise and just and would never enslave another person or deny them their full identity. No – pretending they don’t know the answer is much safer for their self esteem.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Gherkin or dill?

  • Diogenes2008

    The beauty of what’s now happening is that – with the exception of Donna Brazile – every major string puller for Obama is male. And the author of this article is correct – men simply don’t understand how women think.

    So naturally they came up with the propaganda formula of fear. Scare those 18 million back into the fold with 4 more years of the same Republican mess we now have.

    You cannot scare me that way. The only way I can be scared is by thinking a radical leftist with Marxist/Socialist leanings has a shot at the White House. Nothing could be worse for the country I love than that.

    In other words, read my lips: I will NEVER vote for Obama

  • DrMK

    that’s the problem, he wants to be everything to all people, anything to get elected. he is a fraud, an unexperienced fraud.

  • alee21

    I laughed when I saw the ads in meetbarackobama – now we see how Hillary really had her hands tied behind her back. I can just see the DNC blaming the Clintons for their comments that Barack isn’t C-in-C material – luckily Edwards and Biden said pretty much the same thing.

    The only way that Clinton supporters can send a message to the DNC and the Obamaites is to make sure that the pretender, Obama, does not win the GE.

    Much as I dislike some of the things the Republicans stand for, years ago, the two parties weren’t dominated by extreme wings within each party. I believe McCain, with the right choice for VP, could get back to a centrist platform.

    Hillary may not be the nominee this go around but in my mind, she emerged the victor – her image is enhanced while Obama’s tarnished. Gone is the post-racial unifier great orator image. What we are left with is a less than honorable politician from Chicago whose ignorance is terrifying to behold.

  • karen for Clinton

    Men for Hillary are less vocal than her women supporters but they are just as committed to her.

    Thanks to all of them we women are able to overcome the dispair of their “in your place” campaign.

    Real men and real progressives have always stood up for women. Cowards and insecure jerks are the ones who feel the need to insult our gender.

    btw – some of us have been changing our own oil ever since we burned all those bras of olde.

  • im4america

    The hypocrisy of the press and the Obama campaign in dealing with misogynist attacks has been stunning. The press took great delight in pouncing on any hint that Hillary Clinton might be weak because she was a women, and Mr. Obama’s supporters have been free to unleash grossly unfair and insulting language in their blogs and postings.

    The Washington Post stooped to commenting on Hillary Clinton’s once wearing a blouse that showed some cleavage, and how many pants suit comments have we had to endure.

    Clinton’s address on Tuesday was right on. She wants exactly what she has always said she wants, and 18 million voters deserve some respect.

  • Marjorie

    “So, to get back to the ‘what does she want?’ I’d say the question is rhetorical, no answer from a woman will be credited, it’s not a question to us, but to other men. And may now properly be expressed as, ‘what more does she want?’”

    To recycle an earlier comment-”spot on”! With the complicity of the media, the DNC, and god knows who/what else, Hillary was simply not heard. That is, only bits and pieces were heard and misquoted, so a pretense of hearing her could be maintained, and all the while she was being reconstructed as the impossible woman, the joke, out of her depth in the boys’ games. But most women know that, even understand how it works, because they have experienced it. They are a generation who has come to understand what is happening and to analyze it and to voice their conclusions. A bit later than was convenient, but better late. . . . I hope Hillary stays with us and carries on, with our support, to the convention.

  • encore encore

    when she compared her not dropping out and the primary going on to a previous primary, Bobby Kennedy, the media took that to mean she was hoping for an assassination.  Barrack might have condemned that nasty allegation, or said nothing. Instead he made the ‘equivocal’ statement that ‘that kind of talk (referring to her comparison) doesn’t belong in political discourse.    

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