The Great and Growing Divide

This is why women never get ahead…or why it takes so long. They give in and in doing so it tells the Obama camp and media that what they did was acceptable….or in general it tells people that in the end, women will come around no matter how they are treated.

Let’s count…how many times an hour can you cut and paste the same thing?

Maybe you get paid by the post…how’s the weather in India..or China…?

But you see, these are the same tactics the DNC uses to keep women on their leash year after year. Why must the DNC be “the only way” we get to have universal health care (which Obama, btw, does not fully support) … or better education … or, the classic ploy, roe v. wade. Why can’t we begin to seep into other parties with our votes and swing elections to more moderate candidates in other parties. Why are we segregated by the DNC?

Wow,
You have stated this position so well and I have to say it is one that I share. I will not tow the party line, I have witnessed too much from this spinless corrupt party. I firmly believe that this whole primary was rigged. I have renounced the democratic party and will VOTE against Obama in November.

The issues regarding this yars primaries are complex and not just related to one or another candidate. It is unfortunate we live in a sound bite world and even our politicians cannot come out of their own fog.

I am not leaving the party. But I am not going to fall in line and be silent.

Why is the RNC such a mess? Because once the party was over-run with rabid reflexive conservative lunatics, everyone was silent and just fell in line, The party has just imploded because mod and progressive republicans were silent or left.

The unusual logic of the DNC was they had to punish 2 of the five states who moved their primaries to make sure the rules were followed. If they seated those two states what was to prevent any other state doing what they want?
If we silently fall in line and support the DNC in their decision with Florida and Michigan..what is to prevent them again from doing whatever they want in manipulating a primary election?

Great post. One thing about the arguement of those who believe we can “change the party from within.”
We didn’t have the ability to get Dean to remove himself from leadership, we didn’t have the ability to get rid of Donna Brazile, we didn’t have the ability to get Florida and Michigan seated in an equitable manner. Um.. they don’t give a shit what we think. So, NO, we won’t be able to change the party from within. If no Hillary, then a resounding swift kick in the pants for our ex-party.

Well step one is now complete and will be forever kept in focus and slammed in your face when Bambi gets trounced, you have no ability what so ever to blame it on Hillary!

So thank you for covering off that aspect of your threats earlier that Bambi losing will be Hillary’s fault, thus opening the door for a real qualified person to lead the Democrats into the White House without your badgerings!

And the next Democrat in the White House will NOT be BAMBI!

I’ve seen tons of troll activity on all the posts in the last few days.

PLEASE RREALIZE THAT THIS SITE WILL BE OVERRUN IF YOU ENGAGE THEM. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO COME HERE AND THIS TO REMAIN A PRO-HILLARY SITE AND NOT TURN LIKE MYDD?

DO NOT engage your abuser in ANY conversation. They are master manipulators and can sound like the president of Hallmark when it suits them. The best, no the ONLY way to really counter this is to ignore the hell out of them no matter what bait they throw out there and go on with your OWN best interests and mission in life. (a poster at HillaryClintonForum.net posted the above).

I have left the Democratic Party.

It started when Nancy Pelosi said impeachment was off the table. Then the war funding, then Alito & Roberts, then FISA.

We voted them in to change things in 2006. Yep, they’ve really done their jobs. I know they (I almost said we) don’t have a solid majority but to roll over and play dead for a president with a 26% approval rating is beyond wimpy.

Perhaps that’s why congress’ approval rating is now under 20%.

No, I’m done with the party. And I’m more than done with Obama.

When you support a fraudulent election, when you support hate mongering, and shrug that the media is a soviet-style propaganda machine, and voter disenfranchisement, just say “oh well” they do it all over again.

Clinton and her voters, were victimized. You don’t turn away and walk off with the assailant.

Both parties suck and both candidates suck.

As an Independent not loyal to any pathetic party, I will watch the fight and decide at the end of the fight.

I have a feeling the Dems are running the weaker candidate on national security and will lose three in a row on this same issue.

I think w will declare victory in Iraq again to help McCain.

Oh, and did I mention I’m from Florida?

Once you have finished biting of your noses to spite your faces, you are going to look uglier than ever.

You people may be in the 50-85 age bracket, but

YOU NEED TO GROW UP

Stop bawwing and get over yourselves.

Think of voting for McCain as Operation Chaos 2. If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, it is clear 4 years of McCain will tear his heart out and rip the Republican party apart. McCain will only succeed on the issues Congress allows and the Democrats will have the Congress. After four years of Republican implosion, Hillary will be poised to finally set things right.

If Obama wins, it will unify the Republican party and we can expect Obama’s presidency to be just as full of blunders as his campaign. The party will be forced to circle the wagons and defend the indefensible, while Hillary will have to wait until 2016 and then try to fend off Republican attacks that will try to link her to Obama.

I agree. Some lessons have to be learned the hard way and the DNC has gotten too comfortable relying on us to tow the party line. We have two wars going, an economy in the tank, folks losing their jobs and a decent college education out of reach for regular folks. We gave the Dems the majority in 2006 and what have they done? NOTHING!!! but allow the GOP to bully them into compromising their principles. Now they think they can bully us into going along with their BS.

A resounding NO!!!!

The only way those a**holes are going to get the message is for us regular folks to show them we mean business. Country before Party.

NOBAMA 08

Funny they mentioned energy and Irag war funding. Didn’t Obama voted yes on both. I can’t imaging anything worse Mccain would do to our Democracy the DNC didn’t do this primaries. Some times you have to cutt off a rotten organ for survival and that what loyal and real democrats should do if they ever cared or belived before.

ISLAMO-FASCIST, ANTI WHITE, ANTI WOMEN

You are so propagandized it is sickening.

Ignorant MF

Hillary Clinton did what she had to do. I don’t begrudge her that. However, let us be clear as a church bell on a Spring day – if you care about progressive politics the best option is to vote for McCain.
None of the scare tactics about healthcare and the supreme court add up to a hill of beans if we are complicit in what went down in the Democratic Party this year. Make no bones about it: Clinton won and her victory was taken from her by amoral power mad thugs and scared Super Delegates. We can and should gird our loins for tough battles with a President McCain. But they are nothing compared to allowing a massive political scam go unpunished. Dean and Brazile must be excised. Finally – what Hillary stood for the most is allowing all to participate in the process. What Obama stood for was gaming the system to gain power. A vote for Obama in the fall is a vote for cheating and contempt of the process. It is a vote for allowing the media dictate the terms.

I saw this as a person to the Left of nearly everyone on this blog: Vote for McCain, get ready to clean house in the Democratic Party and fight on after the thieves have been defeated.

Well, my position, Pagan is simple. I changed my registration to Independent. I exited from the Democratic Party. I will listen to both candidates and to all those on the down-ticket, whether Republican or Democrat.

And my vote is my business. Right now, I just know what I’m NOT going to do, and that’s vote for Obama. But my reason is that he is not qualified.

As for Hillary’s speech, it was fabulous. She did what she promised. She said she’d work for unity, and she will. Kudos to her for keeping that promise.

She also knows that Obama is unelectable. I’m sure of that. She’s right, too.

As for people getting mad because some will vote for Obama, OK. But that seems silly to me unless they become just like the Obamabots.

More will be revealed, huh?

Pagan, I Agree completely.

I was going to say something like that, too.

These are the lefty equivalents of Gingrich and Delay. We have seen how that turns out.

I agree, John. It was an abomination. And I speak as one who is probably more moderate than most.

I am truly sick to my stomach after reading that linfar has ALREADY agreed to endorse Obama. WHAT A LACK OF FIGHT! I can possbily understand someone taking that stand the day after the convention, looking towards November. But this dem contest isn’t truly over yet, no matter what Hillary said today. Some won’t appreciate what I’m saying, but I have lost all respect for Linfar.

anninCA is there someone else posting as you..? there seems to be very conflicting messages coming from your name.

I am with you on this one.

cc, AnninCa said ther was in the thread below.

Thank you Pagan!
I cannot believe that one can change on a dime. this is how the Cultist work. They have been sowing these seeds for some time. I knew this would happen and I for one am not surprised some of us “JUMPED” at the chance to do what Hillary asked us to do. I think for myself! I am a strong supporter of the Clintons but I will not jump off the cliff for them! I fought long and hard for Hillary and i said many many things that I do NOT regret! An Informed mind is a free one.

What I thought yesterday, I still think today. Obama can not be allowed to become POTUS! I ask those of you who have stood in the trenches with us to remain loyal to your convictions. do not drink the Kool-Aid and don’t take the Red Pill!
i will continue to speak out and I will continue to support those like minded thinkers. Will you that frequent here do the same?

Please stop by my blog and take a look at what I have to say also…. we need to support each other in order to form a movement. I will support you. will you me?
http://reddragon62.blogspot.com

I agree…the dems MUST be held accountable for their atrocious behavior. this is UNACCEPTABLE. To all women – there are times when we MUST stand against maltreatment – THIS IS THE TIME!

oh the trolls are running amuck on talk left today with all sorts of behavior from slick to outright mean. of course, i’ll never support obama. we also have the ones that claimed to have supported hillary however i never saw one kind word about her or support when she was attacked. tl is an excellent blog. i hope they do well.

This Hillary supporter is with you all the way. The Obama campaign, his supporters, the DNC, and the very biased opinionated media, who doesn’t know the meaning of fact based, unbiased reporting, has been very disrespectful to Sen. Clinton and her supporters. This Democrat will soon be a registered Independent along with the rest of my family. The DNC and the media are responsible for putting an unexperienced man, with many radical, terrorist, anti-American associates in this election for president. They have become a disgrace to our country. Not only have they managed to divide the party, which I believe will now crumble, they have managed to divide the country once again over race. They have in a very few short months done exactly what the radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans have been waiting for. I have deep respect for Sen. Clinton. But this true American will never go against my better judgement as to what is best for our children, our country and the entire world. This American will never vote for a man who has radical, terrorist, anti-American associates. Many who are the ones who have financed his campaign. Who have helped him get where he is. This American will never be brainwashed by the media or the DNC.

oh shut up!

I want my party back.

I want democracy back.

I will vote for John McCain in November, as I see a Republican landslide the only way to get my message across. At least Republicans don’t eat their own.

This “sweetie” will never give bo my vote! Senator Clinton was doing what she was required to do. When bo came on the scene, I thought he might be an okay guy, but through my own research and decisionmaking, came to the conclusion that he is not okay. I don’t believe anything he says. He is a politician. I believe in the Clintons. With a record deficit, Bill balanced the budget and even managed a surplus. Hillary tried her best to get improvements in healthcare–a huge task. They have worked hard for this country. Bo has done nothing even close, in fact, I view him as part of the problem since he backed H.R.6. The more I look into who the real bo is, the more he looks like Bush and Cheney. I’m hoping something happens that would put Hillary back in the running, but if not, I will do what I need to do and that is vote McCain, Barr, or write-in Hillary. Need to do my research and see which option is best… and bo is not an option.

I would never fault a partisan Democrat for voting for Obama because that’s what partisans do. I fervently hope that the time of the partisans is nearing it’s end, however. Ironically, the false “change” candidate’s ill-gotten nomination has created an actual grassroots movement for change by those who will actively work toward his defeat in November. Go PUMA’s!

People like Linfar seem to be confused. Hillary is a politician; she did what she had to. That is her life, her choice and we will never know what she, Bill or Chelsea do in the voting booth ( who knows…)

But the rest of us are NOT politicians, we are..”the people’ we are workers, artists, writers, educators, you name it. We live by our principles. If you voted for HRC b/c that was just a preference; then so be it. Go to Obama.
But, imo, Linfar writing all these pieces and then mounting on the unity pony publicly is quite disingenuous. I am not saying she doesn’t have the right to vote for Obama. Each and every one of us will do what we think and feel is right alone and in privite come November. But I resent her pretending to be on this high horse “in the name of Hillary” and using the forum to spread the DNC talking points after all what has happened. That is deplorable. Do what you want but don’t give the BS “what HRC asks us”. That is most naive and insulting. C’on !!! She had to do that. We are not sheep. We are supporters, not robotic followers.

It’s disappointing though not unexpected. I signed out TL and can’t stand TM.,

Question: Is Campskunk also supporting Obama openly?

Why are you yelling?

I went looking for it and sure enough Linfar has turned traitor. I guess she really liked the sexism/racism attached to the plastic Jesus campaign. After everything she said she went ahead and drank the Kool-Aid. What a hypocrite and a disappointment she is. Go to hell Linfar! You didn’t mean a thing you said. You must be an abused woman because you’re back for more of the abuse.

man I hope those are two different people or someone’s got multiple personalities.

Your mother must be very proud.

Yes, on a previous post AnninCA said that a troll was using her name.

Who are you talking to?

Move on Obama troll. A lot of people DON’T LIKE OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS AN ARROGANT PIECE OF TRASH AND USED THE RACE CARD REPEATEDLY.

I hate these Obama thugs who keep telling us Hillary supporters what WE NEED to do.

What WE NEED to do is vote for McCain to keep that racist out of the White House.

Sorry, didn’t se the message above.

I dont know it was pretty accurate to me! LOL I feel that was SPOT ON!

OBAMA = NATIONAL SECURITY RISK!

HILLARY ’08 AFTER OBAMA’S INDICTMENT

OTHERWISE…MCCAIN ’08 in NOVEMBER!

Bye!

Susan Hu – WTF?
You’re deranged. You sit around all day copying and pasting comments from mydd? LinFar got 99.99999 percent for her diary – and was recc’d and praised for her diary. But you sit her, it your old decripit diseased state, and rail that now she drank the cult-aid.
So she support Hillary. And she’s okay.
She now follows HRC’s lead and supports the Democrat, and you start spewing your insane ramblings about cult aid?
How sick are you? really?
I know you were begging for money on here and on the nets to help you – have you lost your ever loving mind too?

See ya!

I wondered at first, but then I figured that’s what happened as I saw a post of yours farther down.

Hey I drove to the Supervisor of Elections the day after the last primaries on June 3 and changed registration to Republican. I switched to piss of the DNC.

The May voter numbers are:

May 2008
Month End Statistics
Total- 509,901

Dem- 214,778
Rep- 173,437
Other/Minor Party- 29,409
No Party Affiliation- 92,277

I am waiting to see what the voter registration numbers are at the end of June.

I have no idea who Linfar is, as I have never visited that site. But I know that trolls were designated to sites at their inception. And the troll’s mo would have been to gain the trust of members there, with a goal of miraculously turning to Obama at some opportune time. I don’t mean to insult Linfar– as I say, I know nothing about her. But it does sound like the pattern a troll would take. Like the poster said, (to paraphrase)
how could you respect someone who wrote in depth
showing the inadequacies of obama only to jump in the kool-aid vat in 24 hours? Did they not read what they wrote?

Pagan, Excellent post. I also respect Senator Clinton and marvel at her courage and breath of knowledge. She is a true Democrat. However, the rest of the Dem. elites have forgotten the core values of the Democratic Party that I have supported for many years. As I watched the elites carry the weakest and unqualified candidate across the finish line, I realized that my beloved party was gone. Therefore, I have registered as an Independent and will vote for a qualified person, not fall in line with a party that has contempt for the voters in this country.

I’m a regular over at savagepolitics.com and I have to say I’m a bit shocked about Lin now supporting Obama. At one point we had a slight difference of opinion over something she wrote about Sharpton. But I found the articles posted above very informative and it helped me to frame my arguments with regard to my non support of Obama.

Bottom line and I’ve always said this: this is a Democracy, the primary feature of which is choice. This is something the Obama supporters have throughout the campaign sought to deny us American citizens. I won’t be a part of doing the same.

I also stated that I intended to walk my path alone, for the very reasons that we are now having a dialogue about people who have caved in and are towing the Party line. I knew there would be many. And that people will be upset over that. I’m not.

I don’t care if I’m the only Hillary supporter who votes for McCain left standing in November. It’s my vote and my right.

I am grateful in Lin’s case that she left several great articles, especially “Follow the Money.” By all means read them. It’s well researched and she has to live with her own conscience as to why she supports Obama.

There’s no point in arguing with these people. Everyone has an agenda. Some people can’t take a lot of opposition. I’ve walked an individual path since I was a kindergartener. So, I’m real practiced at it.

Just read her articles. They’re very seminal for those who will not support Obama

Amen to that John Smart. Well put. I also belive that Obama beliefs lie at both extremes: neo-liberalism and marxism. People that think this is contradictory do not understand history nor what these words mean. Extremes always touch.
And I firmly believe a Democratic Congress will have a much tougher time
stopping his bad policies b/c he has a D after his name than they would if a Rep. was President. And that is what I find very dangerous.

I try to but they are like gnats. You have to keep waving them away or else they just swarm over and get you angry.

Move on Obama and/or Republican troll.

AnnainCa: somone is stealing your screen name and posting a contradictory comment. Please email Susan ASAP about it : she can clean that one up quick!!

I’d love to see who Hillary REALLY votes for:-)

John Smart: she’s talking about down the ticket. careful there is a troll
down posting with her name.

It is not our fault Obama stole her platform… I don’t believe we should talk to Iran without preconditions. Obama does. Case closed, I voted for Kerry and all it got me was more bush… It won’t be my vote who loses it for Obama, it will be his inexperience and bad judgement. My vote is my own… I am a democrat, I believe the DNC did something “republican”, I will protest the DNC and protect America from the people behind Obama.

I just saw HUFF-BABY on Larry King..they said we would all be back with the Dem Party in a month..BULL
S..T. Will NEVER happen as long as Obama and Dean are running the show. They may have been able to take our candidate but they WILL NOT get my vote. McCain 2008..Hillary 2012

OMG Rush Limbaugh bashes McCain more often than the Democrats.

It goes to show you. McCain is hated by the left wing moon bats that support Obama and hated by the right wing moon bats who support Bush!

YOU CAN’T GO WRONG VOTING FOR MCCAIN!!! (of course if and when Hillary does become the nominee I’m voting for her)

Why are you believing anything Obama says? He has changed his position on everything so many times I’m not sure he even knows which one he stopped on. He’s waffling on Iraq, universal health care, right to choose (voting present is not pro choice), social security, etc. Pick a topic, and the man of the hour will state his position (maybe) to suit his audience. Sorry, but that’s not someone I want in the White House.

This election must be seen in stark moral terms: voting for Obama is selling your soul to the devil (and he wouldn’t deliver on his promises – the devil is a better lawyer than you are.)

You cannot change the party. You are the new blacks.

They threatened to go for a walk and got the world handed to them. You were taken for granted, to be cajoled, coaxed, and frightened later.

However, make no mistake: they will take you for granted just as (in their view) they took them for granted till you do send that message.

Rule one of politics: reward the base. They are the base now.

Donna Brazile thinks its your turn to eat sh*t now.

A vote for Obama is pure self-debasement.

They made demands based on identity politics. You can make your statement on principle, self-respect and concern for the common good.

Ditto for me Mimi!

cc,

I was getting ready with the same question!
Anninca are there two of you? And two of Mel?
Just read the same post on another thread or two,
now I am really confused.

Absent our Hillary … I think McCain is going to be the true uniter. He is hated by the moon bat wings of the left and right.

Clinton Democrats + McCain Republicans = American Unity

Good for you! My partner and I went from Dem to Indy in VA! Planning to help McCain keep VA in the RED column in November!

I disagree with those who take the position that they will now support the DNC and Obama, but I support their right to do so. For me it is Hillary or McCain 08, period. No Obama, never. Every movement for social change has always had the ‘insider’ camp and the ‘outsider’ camp, and much as both camps clash, both are needed to bring about change. Myself, I’m on a listserv where I’ve been getting lectured to “do what Hillary wants”, so I’ll leave that listserv. Live and let live, each person follow their own conscience. . .

LOL! Indeed, “moveon.borg”

Yes there is someone posting in a number of user’s names. It is being taken care of.

Please at least look at this before making your dubious claims:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

…but the social dimension is also important in politics. That’s the one that the mere left-right scale doesn’t adequately address. So we’ve added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian.

LOL Yeah, after he gets indicted as the spin offs of Rezko’s convictions come to get him shortly…. a friend of mine is part of the Fitzgerald team and he said that the next two up are going to be Obama and Blagojevich… can’t wait!

Also Mel, Jay,Jessie and Proud Military Mom. If you see pro Obama posts from these people, it is the same Marxist obama slime ball doing it. One more reason to remember to vote for McCain on November 4.

Just want to say g’nite to you all and peace! My fave quote from Hillary’s speech today follows and I intend to take it to heart:

“Never listen to anyone who says you can’t or shouldn’t go on!”

Pagan Power: let me say this clearly: this is an extraordinary post. You say and write eloquently many of the same things many of us here comment on every day.
Thank you for your post and for your voice, from the bottom of my heart.

Hillary was pretty convincing … good thing most of her voters think for themselves. Some people will decide to pretend that Obama’s issues don’t matter and blindly follow the leader. And there will be some of us that know that Hillary was forced to make that speech and wait for denver. If denver doesn’t work out we will vote McCain… plain and simple.

Thank God; I was really feeling bad for my earlier comment. Rats, now that I know I was responding to an imbecile, maybe I should have used smaller words. Hope the fake gets the gist that I know Obama can’t be trusted ever.

You got it morgan !!

The more I contemplate my response to the conversion process upon us, (there is so transparent) the more I beleive that if enough people change their party to Independent (or Rep if you are so inclined) the greater the message to the DNC and it will remind me of the power I retain(as of this moment but perhaps not tomorrow if things continue)to cast my vote.

Jon, you are an imbecile. Why don’t you start by reading the name of the author of this post ?

Beat it troll.

Great post Susan.

Change from within is dead before it could ever start. You have heard Obama call it “his” party now.

This primary season has shown how the Obama camp deals with dissenters.

There is only one way to get it back – defeat Obama and his supporter soundly and use the Republicans money and fire power to do it.

It will Rain McCain in November!

I disagree. The site uses the candidates’ positions on a few select issues to assign their rankings. It does not analyze their philosophies as stated in books and reflected by associates. The site does a great job of reflecting Obama’s positions as stated on his website, but that isn’t the real Obama.

How much is Barack Hussien Obama paying you to blog? “Obama my ass”!

Good point Libby. The Whackjobs on both sides hate him.

How very true Jb.
If you scream loud enough you will get what you want. Just ask the Trolls!
I don’t know Lin. I HAVE read her writings though. i find it insulting that she says she did it because Hillary asked her to. If hillary asked her to eat a shit sandwich, will she do it?
This is her path. As has been stated above, she will have to live with what she has written, No-one likes a turncoat. They cannot be trusted. From this point on, will what she writes be taken seriously? Or will her writings be brushed aside? Who knows. I wish her well either way! With what she knows about Obama, she cannot be sleeping to good tonight.

John Smart, you are also being impersonated by a marxist Obama thug. Just so everyone knows.

Nice mimi; it seems you and I are very much alike.

I don’t know about HRC; although I have my suspicions. … But as for Bill & Chelsea.. BO better don’t count on their votes!! LOL !!!

If hillary asked her to eat a shit sandwich, will she do it?

Would Hillary ask her to do that? I mean, do you trust Hillary or don’t you?

Serious cognitive dissonance going on here.

i read a beautiful article from linfar on savagepolitics. i cried. i gave a heartfelt response.

now i say to linfar -

just words!
just words!
just words!

and any attempt to pull an obama and twist that phrase, a la gov. patrick, would be bull.

linfar can do what she wants. we all can. we all will.

i don’t know if she’s just weak, looking out for her career, whatever.

i don’t care.

all credibility lost.

just words.

this kind of thing is almost sadder than the total destruction of the democratic party by obama and his thugs (dean, pelosi, etc.) it’s definitely sadder than the stupid ones who actually believe the bullshit obama says.

it’s sadder because linfar has brains, experience, and ability. she is perfectly capable of knowing crap when she steps in it. and i’m sure she knows it’s crap. that she’s willingly stepping in is just so sad.

no guts, no respect.

bye, linfar. too bad.

You have to admit these people have learned the Obama lessons well. Lie as often as necessary, cheat your opponent if you can’t win fairly, steal other people’s positions (it’s not necessary to really believe in them), be as obnoxious as possible, never let facts get in your way, and most importantly, the end justifies the means.

Sweetie,

1. Obama does not support Universal Healthcare. He pretends to support “Not Quite Universal Health Care”. But he has had John Kerry come out and say if Hillary tries to get Universal Healthcare “That is a non-starter”. So, what difference does it make if Obama tries to almost get Universal Healthcare? Not Quite is not enough.

2. Obama is not a supporter of Women’s rights. I know Hillary has been a strong supporter of Pro-Choice. Obama has NOT. Do not try to hold my uterus hostage. I am past having kids, and all those lovestruck girls can just start defending the rights we old ladies fought for.

3. Hillary has a great economic plan. Obama does not. Are you saying that Obama is going to change his policies to align with Hillary’s? Fat Chance! Obama does nto give two shits about people who work. He has never had a full time job in his life, so he doesn’t comprehend what ordinary Amercans are going through.

4. Education reform. Congress has had some time towork on these issues. Not a peep from them so far. It is time for fucking Congress to get off their collective asses and do a little work. We worked really hard to give them a mojority in both houses, and all we’ve gotten is a bunch of excuses.

McCain doesn’t scare me as much as a pissant who hasn’t done a day of honest work in his life. Just four years ago he was the Democrats’ moderate Darling. He has not changed that much.

You act like we are going to believe that Obama is suddenly going to change his stripes on all these issues and jst fall in line with Hillary’s policies. I wish he would, but I doubt it.

It just shows the difference between Obama supporters and Hillary’s. We still believe in free will.

Well said JB !!

What I love and get a charge out of is how the Obama’nots are so fired up and scared that the Democratic Party is Re Deux 1980 all over again! We all know what happened to Carters sorry ass then… OUT HE WENT BY HIS OWN PARTY’S VOTERS! Reagan Democrats in 1980 are McCain Democrats in 2008!

well, you do have bad breath. Did you mean to spell “breathe”? You betray your elementary school education.

AS BAD AS 1980 WAS …. wouldn’t it be really ironic if it was 1972 all over again? McGovern got only one Electoral Vote State after being the Party darling in at the Convention!

I’ve got you bookmarked in my “Best” section although I’ve only been lurking and not commenting. Sorry about that!

Yep. Impeachment gone, then Roberts. When were these people ever democrats to begin with? So the only time these people ever decide to show a spine is when they decide to declare war on one of their own candidates? I repeat, when were these people ever democrats to begin with?

this is great. I just wondered how long it would take to take down “individual “a”".

Please people don’t think of this as Hillary vs bo. If you are a demo think about it as DNC or not. Did the DNC today look like the party you knew? do you trust people who boldly stole delegates, allowed a legitimate candidate to be trashed by thugs and partcipated in the most travisty to date, to be your voice? What Maccain will do do as a pres. is unknown, but from what happened in chicago poor area under BO’s watch will tell me what he is going to do for poor people… NOTHING. LEAVE THR F**** PARTY IT LEFT YOU ALREADY>

Count me among those who will NEVER give my vote to Obama. It seemed Hillary had barely finished speaking when an email from Howard Dean popped into my inbox entitled ‘unity’ – you think they’re not concerned?

found on Usenet –>

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Headline dated November 5, 2008:

Obama Blames Hillary for Election Loss

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Other 11/5/08 news:

Axelrod: “Hillary’s presence in the primary was unacceptable”

Brazile: “Hillary deprived African-Americans of their turn”

Kennedy: “Hillary failed to deliver for Obama. She did not work hard
enough”

DailyKos: “I told you that cunt bitch whore was a used tampon”

sorry, my post was not clear. I meant to say that the people Pelosi, Reid, Dean, etc. have not behaved as democrats should. They have destroyed our party. Those who believe the tenets that the democratic party is supposed to follow, now have little choice but to walk away from the charade they have given us.

Agreed. Must be doing something right!

Thank the gods that Larry has now used his double-agent skills to make this site a shining example of HC/McCain idiocy.

Kudos Larry, no-one saw it coming.

Today I was on Riverdaughter and I saw the post below. It is to me the theme of what this whole election cycle has been about. The DNC’s Howard Dean said nothing about the sexism that has been going on until the other night when Obama won and he found a need for us. Woman marched for the right to vote, women fought for reproductive rights and women once again need to stand up when their party in
anyway tries to make them second citizens again. A woman ran in this race but the boys club once again kept her from succeeding. The men below helped them…

“I just turned on MessNBC for the first time in weeks, because I don’t want to miss Hillary’s speech. And I heard Tweety(Chirs Matthews) talk to Howard Fineman and KO (keith Olbermann)

about the possibility of Hillary Clinton as Obama’s running mate, which is why I was compelled to post.

Tweety to KO: “But can she obey? Because that’s what a vice-president has to do. She has to obey the president.”

KO expresses skepticism. about Hillary’s capacity for obedience. Tweety repeats: “I have to go back to this. Can she obey?”

A few minutes later, Tweety asks Fineman: “Can she take the oath of obedience? After eight years of political independence, can she accept the subservience?”

That’s what it comes down to. Not can she help Obama win. Not whether her supporters can forget the sexism of the campaign. But can she obey, can she be subservient?”

I can’t support the party that lets this happen over and over again. This may be the only chance we have to take a stand that has consequences. What would the Suffragettes do? I don’t think they would go back and support the man. (even for someone they love like Hillary)

LOL

Hillary did endorse Osamobama but was very careful in her words. She never said he was qualified. She basically said: We have a better chance getting our policies passed with a Dem in the Oval Office than John McCain. And she gave a big middle finger to the misogynists in the Dem party and the media.

NOBAMA! No way…America first!

A thought provoking post Pagan!

I’ve seen this type of dime-turning duality before…in Unionism.

It’s just the way some people are, they fight like the dickens with all the passion in the world and then give-over to the other side as soon as it’s expedient and/or demanded of them. No problem.

This perplexes those of us who can’t turn on the dime. It seems inconsistent or hypocritical to us, but we gotta remember that the dime-turners
don’t see it that way. Maybe they are more pragmatic and we are more loyal…I dunno…

Maybe they are the lemmings they outwardly insisted they weren’t…

Again, I dunno…

It is a fascinating psychology though!

She basically said: We have a better chance getting our policies passed with a Dem in the Oval Office than John McCain,

And she’s right, and yet you still say you’d rather see McCain.

Crazy.

I know, and Coyote Creek site moderator admonishing people on posting McCain stuff. The switch is dramatic and therefore suspect, but you know especially Linfar has been absolutely trashed by mydd…so the stress may have finally hit.

I heard HRC agree to support Obama, do the party unity thing, but she kept her delegates and options open. I am sure Obama wanted her to release her delegates and she did not. I am sure she also laid out the conditions of her “support”.

I hope she takes a month long vacation, doesn’t make appearances with obambi, and arrives with head held high at the convention. I expect bambi to be either outed as a fraud by then or so weak it is clear he can’t win, and the convention will be depressing.

Or, they could nominate her from the floor.

I refuse to enable the Democratic Party. I felt this way a year ago…I wasn’t a HIllary supporter at that point and became one only when I saw how inferior Obama was. The DNC’s fixing of this nomination was the end for me.
They don’t deserve to be rewarded with my vote.

Funny you should mention…

Here’s the cut and paste of my reply to his e-mail:

PUMA Howie!!!!!

I left the party when you idiots decided to act like Republicans with the Michigan delegates!!

I’m not alone…

Now take me off your damn list because I WILL NEVER BE GIVING YOUR WORTHLESS ASS ANOTHER RED CENT!!!

Have a nice election!

At least Republicans don’t eat their own.

Well, they do, actually, when they don’t toe the party line as imposed from on high. That’s why the DNC’s heavy handed methods are so odious.

That is just about right. I do wonder what Vietcong John Kerry will say about Obama’s pending loss in November.

So, Huffington predicts we’ll all be on board by the end of the month. What are they planning involuntary lobotomies? Or have we entered the world of the Pod People?

I can’t believe how totally delusional these people are about their own “rightness,” how anything beyond “their” own puny choice is inconceivable and not worth considering.

News flash!

If Obama is the only choice, I’ll vote elsewhere. I respect HRC’s decision. I loved her speech and frankly, I would follow her lead anywhere but Obamaland.

It ain’t gone to happen, even if I’m the only dissenting Democrat left alive.

So, dream on Huffington, Taylor Marsh, Daily Kos and every other pro-Obama blog and supporter. My vote is mine and if Barack Obama is the choice, I will vote my conscience–off-party and against the Democrats. I will also pray they lose, big time, in same way Big Brown lost his race at the Belmont today.

Omens. I love the power of omens. The gods are watching.

LOL….spot on!

hey jon, why don’t you report your own comment to the FBI? Sounds like a threat to me.

Hillary would never ask us to do that but Obama has and I can see his supporters need several napkins to wipe the diarhea drool from their mouths.

Larry, I am an American first. I will take the flawed but human and Pro-America John McCain.
I will work to bring his about his election in November. Obama will make this country less safe. He will raise the capital gains tax, bringing a massive tax increase on millions of middle class workers retirement funds. He will never see when he makes an error. McCain is humble and human. He is also honest. I know where he stands. Even though we have differences, I could work with him. Mr. Obama is a worse flip-flopper than Kerry was. I don’t know where he stands on too many issues. I do not want an inexperienced person as POTUS during these trying times.
I will support McCain. If Obama falls apart and Hillary is given the nomination in August, I will be with her 100%. I will still maintain that John McCain is a good and honorable person.

Have you seen the YOUTUBE VIDEO..OBAMA TO DISARM MILITARY….Well you should. He basically wants to cut spending and investing in better equipment for our troops. I wanted to see what the troops thought so I went to a military web site. Remember Carter who many compare to Obama…well a post at the site said it all. The soldiers at that time had to have their wives sew some of the torn equipment, burnt light bulbs had to be turned in before one could be replaces. If there pens ran out of ink, they only got the filler. There were many more examples. They said the equipment was so bad it wasn’t even worth keeping but they had to use it. I also found at that site a story that they had seen on FOXNEWS….I am listing the site and hope when you type it it will get you there to the story. There is an “American” Muslim in NC..he is 22 years old and has started an English AL Queda web site. The posters are the military site say Obama is wrong to DISARM our military. There is a real threat in this country and they, as I am, are worried about being prepared. John McCain wil definitely get my vote…this is NOT the time to give someone, especially a RADICAL, like Obama on the job training and access to military secrets. Here is the Foxnews link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363821,00.html

Hey I thought getting Hillary elected would solidify to republican base according to Rush.. Now Obama is going to solidify the republican base? What fun.

the “shit sandwich” is Obama, dude.

Thank You, Thank You. The point we have to push to everyone is: It’s the House and Senate — NOT the President who really has the Power. Most believe that the Dems will gain enough seats to make them VETO proof. This is a perfect year to take a stand.

I know if the “Core” Dems fall in line, we will never have power in the Future. I know if Women Fall in line after the outrageous Sexism against a Female candidate, Sexism will show up the next time a female runs. The Super Delegates went with Obama because He had the New Voters and the Black Voters. They felt his group would NOT show up In November. Hillary had the Core Dems. We’re expected to just Fall in Line. I Won’t. I hope there are a lot of us.

Strategic.

That is one of the worst things for me: that the DNC allowed and encouraged this behavior from the media and its own surrogates. It is unforgivable and unforgettable. Besides Obama being unacceptable all by himself; this DNC is unacceptable and must be defeated at all cost. It is only downhill from here should they win. Otherwise it is bye bye for good to all what has been achieved in so decades.

No, she is wrong!

Policies are enacted into bills by CONGRESS.

Bad policies from a Dem president are harder to be rejected by a Dem. congress than if they come form a Rep. president. And Obama will try to pass bad policies.

The coalition that unifies America in 08

Clinton Republicans/McCain Democrats

Count Me in!!!

They weren’t and aren’t. Pelosi and Dean and their cohorts are a cancer inside the heart of the Democratic Party. They are malignant; interested only in the virus of wealth and the speading of greed before character.

You cannot always fix a cancer from the inside. Sometimes you must starve it by withdrawing the source of its blood, the people who donate to elect an honest, experienced candidate, a candidate of character.

I understand why Hillary did what she did today. I hope to help her become President in 2012, but for now I will remember the words of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr, when he said that you should not judge a man by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character.

I have looked for character in Senator Obama. I have not been able to find any.

I have seen a man of character in Senator McCain.

My party has given me no option. I will vote for character and hope to starve the cancer.

completely with you, john.

giving in to the hostile takeover by obama and his crowd is not the way to get our party back. they need to receive a loud, clear message from millions of voters.

they won’t listen to calls, letters, emails, blogs. they will have no choice but to listen to votes.

same applies to money – broke dnc + rich rnc = we get our party back after november.

Breaking: Obama blames HRC for jail sentence because she didn’t help him win the election and remove the prosecutor.

good line, but my favorite is still…

Today, as I suspend my campaign

No concede in that sentence despite what 99% of the MSM is saying. It’s really telling that ONLY Faux News is reporting the truth! Everyone else has been reporting she has conceded, or ended her campaign, or just reporting her endorsing Obama. They are once again blatantly misrepresenting her suspending her campaign as something it’s not at least not yet. She still retains her pledged delegates and still has the option of going to the accreditations committee and even taking the fight to the Convention.

Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.

I personally don’t think Hillary will vote for Obama. Nobody knows how another votes. That is something that is done in private to reflect ones ideas.

sadly, linfar’s not a troll. she’s an accomplished writer, who’s written some things that literally made me cry.

the things she wrote were totally antithetical to her actions now.

i don’t know if her earlier writings were “creative” or her current position is pragmatic. doesn’t matter. if you read her articles (see links above), you’ll see that supporting obama for the sake of party unity or because hillary said so or whatever is totally inconsistent.

i feel played. i feel betrayed.

if i want to be used and conned, i can read any number of hacks. i thought better of lin.

she’s entitled to her opinion and i respect that. but respect comes to those who are consistent. that didn’t happen here.

If everyone in 1776 had been like Linfar, we wouldn’t have a United States of America to discuss.

How is BO going to accomplish this change in one month? It is going to take this man years. Of course he just has to say “change” and poof we will change.

Bush said democracy in Iraq and poof it blew up.

yes, because right now we don’t have a qualified democrat to run for office. A coup has been staged, have you noticed? Notice she didn’t say Obama?

troll free zone, just reread your post and realized i missed part of your point. and i don’t know enough to know for sure if you’re right or wrong. (but based on linfar’s articles, i think she’s not a troll, just a person who made a very, very bad decision and betrayed her principles).

re the site, savagepolitics is an excellent site. there aren’t as many articles as there are here, usually just one a day, but they’re very good. and we have a very good community building over there, like here.

sadly true. i’m sure she was under tremendous pressure. but based on the history she describes in her articles, i thought she’d be strong enough not to give in to it. looks like i was wrong.

well done, jb!

and we’re not soul sellers here.

dem-base, i’m with you on that one. the “his” party stuff is among the more egregious of the asshole’s many egregious claims.

rain mccain – there must be a song in that.

already done.

kerry: it was hillary’s fault i lost, too.

Libby, What State are you referring to? How did you get the stats? I would like to get the stats of my State.

exactly!!!!!Hillary’s not out until the day after Denver! we have two months…let’s get to work! ladies – we must NOT allow the DNC to go unpunished!

I no longer respect her. Linfar wrote passionately, eloquently, yet articulately about Obama’s shortcomings as a candidate. Indeed, many of her words convinced me that Obama was not a viable candidate in any way, and should never get near the Oval Office. For Linfar to now do a complete turnabout “because Hillary told me to” goes beyond ludicrous. It is a betrayal of every word Linfar wrote.

The general consensus of pundits (Dobbs, Halperin, Cunningham, and many others) is that if Obama wins the election nothing will change in the primary/nomination process BUT if he loses big changes will be coming.

What change needs to be made?
For starters, eliminate Super Delegates since they do not speak for the people.
2nd, eliminate caucuses and use primary votes because more voices are heard and the votes are not easily manipulated.
3rd, eliminate delegate weighting that favors urban/densely populated areas over rural/sparcesly populated areas.
4th, and the biggest change that is needed, move to “winner-take-all” to mirror the electoral college process. This would clearly select a candidate to match-up equally against the Republican opponent.

Clearly and logically, if you vote Obama, then you get no real change in the nominating process.

Pagan Power you are a TRUE realist and a warrior anyone is bless to have you as a supporter, friend and writer

me too, seattle.

Please don’t write-in Hillary’s name before contacting the Secretary of State for your state. In many states, write-ins aren’t permitted, so a write-in vote for HIllary will either be discarded, or counted as a vote for Obama since they are both Democrats! Seriously, you may end up having your vote count for Obama anyway, so please do contact your Secy of State first

I got idiot dean’s “unity’ email and I barely read on, clicked the reply button and typed “drop dead”
Unity my ass!
No vote for a candidate who is not qualified in terms of ability and experience, has mismatched character for the position, and (among other things) was picked by corrupt party leaders.!
“drop dead” was one of the nicer things I may have had to say.

I just wrote on the Hillary website that ask to support Obama NO TIME , NO MONEY, NO VOTE he is racist but thanks for asking

Agree, hey don’t own me, I am not their property.

Independent does feel different, more liberating.

Dem since 1971. Whole lotta losers I worked for and they kicked Bill to the curb so… me too.

Yes, Hillary has little choice now doesn’t she.

She can’t tell them to screw off, they have the keys to the offices which hold the power. She has to play nice… we don’t, we can tell the truth.

Today I was thinking about Wm Ayers. He got away with domestic terrorism. The ones that followed him in his weatherman group went to jail. Daddy got him a good lawyer and he walked. Obama had him as a mentor and Bernadette Dohrn worked with Michelle Obama. The followers of Obama are like the weatherman that followed Ayers. The words sound good but the actions leave the followers to pay the price.
Obama = weatherman
McCain = patriotism.

I loved the faux Daily Kos comment in particular.

I am going to enjoy voting for someone besides Plastic Jesus. Among other things, I will see it as a soul-satisfying kick to the blogger boyz’ nads.

VP Lieberman?

What a wonderful piece!!!! I loved reading every word. It is about our country not a party…I will be helping McCain as much as I can. Obama and his anti-American friends need to go back to Chicago. Wright is taking back his church so he will be there waiting for Obama.

What I hate most about this whole thing is I think there are qualified black politicians who might never run because Obama is hurting this country so much by dividing us. The way he always played the race card when he lost, all the rudeness that comes from his supporters. Why didn’t the democratic party vet the man? It just seems Obama brings out the hate in people. They spread it all over the internet and the things that I have heard that are happening to people. Such awful things…It is like someone is teaching people how to hate others…it is sick… Does it remind you of anyone? It does me… have we not learned anything from history.

McCain all the way for me…

Pagen Power…I can hear the “glass ceiling” break into 18,000,000 pieces. These are not easy pieces.

The shards are a mix of principles, loyalty, moral beliefs, guilt, corruption and greed.

What was not in evidence was change and hope.

Being called a racist with no basis in fact is a very personal insult. Now I am told it was nothing personal? And was just a political ploy?

The only reason I can figure for BO’s using the politics of de-humanization, is that it is a mirror of the Republicains disaster economics and a reflection of the sickness of the whole body politic.

So while everyone can ponder over what the next move is, perhaps they can understand why I want a POTUS that has the experience to even comprehend one tenth of what our men and women are being asked to do and will be asked to sacrifice. SO while you consider how all this goes, here is a recent post a NQ.
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Comment by Taters | 2008-05-17 00:43:51
GiveMeABreak,
For starters, please let me echo what my friend TeakWoodKite said. Thank you for your service. And for an excellent report. If there’s anything we can do, please don’t hesitate. It’s men and women such as you that
have and continue to be willing to put themselves in harm’s way so someone like me can post on a computer. We owe you.
Sincerely,
Robert M. Murray
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Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-05-17 00:47:24
Thank you again. I know me saying that doesn’t really cut it,so much needs to be done. Stay in touch with NQ OK?
All our respect for you and yours.
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Comment by GiveMeABreak | 2008-05-17 00:55:34
Will do. And you two keep up the good fight at home. Nothing scares the shit out of me more than Barack Obama in the White House:)
I’ve never voted for a republican in my life but I guess there is a first time for everything. Take care and I will try to check in on ya from time to time.

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I don’t see how linfar can endorse or support Barack Obama without even time to cool off, it seems disengenuous. At least Taylor Marsh is explicit in saying she will be anti-McCain, which in turn helps Obama, but she says (and we’ll see) she will not support him. She says she’s all about foreign policy, so how can she be supportive of someone who has 0 foreign policy experience.

I feel I absolutely need to take a stand against the Democratic Selection Committee who shoved Obama down our throats. I’m embarrassed to be a Democrat.

the blogger boyz have nads?

The democrat party is dead — so is the democratic party.

So there is no need to feel guilty about voting for the candidate who loves America and who is NOT a National Security risk.

Obama is a liar — I cannot believe anything he says.

None of the old threats will work — the Democrats allowed Roberts on the Supreme Court and Obama pushed to the head of the line to shake hands with Roberts — THAT tells me all I need to know.

The GOP will do what needs to be done and all they have to do is tell the truth — and Obama is sure to lose.

Obama is a liar. There is no way that anything he says can be trusted.

Our only option is to NOT vote for Obama — for the reasons you listed.

Massive changes are needed to revive the dead democrat party.

Good points — thanks for new talking points as I get more people to vote McCain.

That is WONDERFUL news — like a Christmas present in JUNE!

Thank you so much for sharing!

Since Obama is a Liar and a Flip Floper — there is no way to compare his “positions” on anything.

One has to look at who his advisers are and WHERE his money is coming from — that might give a better clue about Obama’s “positions”

My focus group says — Obama is a liar — he can’t be trusted.

Right on! I am probably going to be yelled at but after November, I will be unassigned. I will remain that way for many years because it is not often Kansas has a primar (we caucused this year; horrific experience),

Two days ago I signed up with Sentor Joe Lieberman’s group, Citizens for John McCain. (this became more important after Obama backed him into a wall in the Sentae…thugish IMO).

Yesterday I received a call from McCain’s headquarters in VA asking if I would take action
on two fronts. One agree to talk to the media. As I have done that in the past in Kansas, I will do it once more. I was asked to recruit 5 people. I have already recruited two more! I have three
left to go.

The amazing thing is I was one of those “new” Democrats (always a Republican before) that Hillary brought to the party, but that party is over for me. I know we can’t change it from the inside because Obama stood on the National Stage and said it is my party now. We have to change it by our protest vote!

Help support PUMA. It is a 527 organized to help with our protest from without!

Thanks, we beat up Not-AnninCA over at Savage a couple of days ago. I’ll post your comment there so we can watch out for them.

Remember it is one of Obama’s own supporters who said universal health care is a non-starter. That my friends was John Kerry. McCain ’08 is my way of flipping off the Un-Democratic Party. It makes me want sing an old song…Where have all the the Democrats gone, they have gone to graveyards everyone…

I know both Jeralyn and Taylor Marsh said they would always fall in line, but they spent soooo much time pointing out Obama’s flaws. Can anyone believe they both support Obama now, completely overlooking what they have been blogging about for so long?
Why do people do that? There is no need to be a Democrat or a Republican if the party leaves you.

Maybe, she is being paid now.

Michelle, follow the money and power that is what’s
going on….

I am just so sad. A friend showed me the HBO movie, “Iron-Voiced Angels” about the suffragettes getting the vote in 1920. Hilllary Swank stared in it as Alice Paul. It was very poignant, especially in light of what happended today with our Hillary. I am in mourning. I think boycotting the 2008 election is the only way I can legitimately go on at this time. I do miss all my friends from Hillaryclinton. com and hope we will be here on this blog and PUMA, and other places if these are good new places. I am not going to drink any Koolaid. I have drank brandy, and wine, and a good liquour earlier in the day. Part of the wake, you see. MInd over matter. Hillary is our leader.

Excellent article PaganPower. Bravo. I agree with everything you said.

Let me just add my two-cents about several things. First on Obama.

I have been reading everything I can get my hands on about Obama since January. And before that, I listened to MSM and NPR broadcasts of what Obama said. And, what I am about to say may disturb you… so you are forewarned.

At first, I simply thought he showed a lack of judgement. I don’t remember his 2004 convention keynote speech since I don’t pay attention to hotair. I remember only thinking he said nothing that made any real difference to me. My husband said at the time that he thought Obama sounded like he had been taking lessons from a charismatic preacher–and my husband should know having grown up in the bible belt. But then in early September of 2007 I heard Obama comment on the march organized by Sharpton in Gena, Alabama. He said something to the effect that “if Bell is convicted” [of beating those two white boys that hung a noose in the tree on the school yard property] “then something needs to be done to change the laws” [that unfairly convict a black for being black]. I thought he sounded racist. I thought he probably was racist.

Then I heard a piece of a speech in New Hampshire in which he said “I have a dream” using many of the same words as Martin Luther King. I thought that was odd since his audience in New Hampshire is white. Then I realized that he was testing the MSM and the folks in New Hampshire to see if they would accept his message that he is a black man that has a dream of being President and his plea to send him there because he is black. I couldn’t believe the audacity of it. I think the MSM got it because it was not commented on and it was showed only once. The speech cleverly stirred up voters in South Carolina.

Then, I started doing some research the results of which should come to no surprise to most of you:
a) Wright’s rantings and Michelle O’s statement coming off the campaign bus in SC saying that for the first time in her life she is proud to be an American. A statement that she repeated many times before the MSM finally aired it about 6 weeks later.
b) Tony Resko’s wife’s selling a lot to Michelle O for a steep discount. Resko being a section 8 landlord donating $$ to Obama’s campaign. Whoa!…stop right there…section 8 is something I know about…I had a former boss at a major foutune 100 company who was a partner in a real estate firm that invested in section 8 housing…the company fired him…it is a taxpayer boondoggle designed to pay welfare recipients’ $$ directly to the section 8 landlord requiring nothing but ownership of the property. Section 8 landlords are the lowest of all slumlords and they require protection from politicians to circumvent the local housing standards directives.
c) Obama’s lies about the extensiveness of his relationship to Resko.
d) Obama’s Chicago toast at a welcoming home reception of the Iraqi businessman (and Sadam Hussein loyalist) accused of stealing reconstruction $$ from the US Army and state department reconstruction authorities, a businessman convicted of one of the biggest French oil company frauds in history, and Obama’s acceptance of campaign money from this same convicted Iraqi.
e) Larry Sinclair and his admission of doing crack cocaine with Obama in 1999 when he was an IL state senator.
f) The murder of Donald Young after several emails and phone calls to Sinclair to determine how many people Sinclair had told about their homosexual liasons.
g) The manipulation and threats to Sinclair
h) Obama’s two books about his life and thinking which read like cleverly subdued racist rants about his early feelings of inadequacy and later feelings of entitlement.
i) Obama’s 20+ year association with communists William Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, and at least two others from the Weather Underground. A relationship designed to control what is taught to Chicago children. A relationship financed with “charitable” foundation money to promote marxist mind control principles.
j) Campaign finance relationships with the Pritzer and Crown families. Red flags go up here, too! The Crowns I know something about as well, since I used to work for General Dynamics, one of their companies and one of the largest US defense contractors who developed the F16 fighter (now part of Lockheed Martin). GD makes the M1 Abrams Tank and many other defense related weapons systems. The Crown family has long been reputed as one of Chicago’s largest and most powerful crime families, heck, their privately held company Material Services, is a cement manufacturer, no less, perfect for money laundering and body work when needed.
k) Etc., etc., ad nauseum, and, growing, by the day.

My conclusion is that Barack Obama is pure unadulterated evil. There are no good tales or stories of any good works he has done for anyone poor or middleclass. Only tales from the dark side of greed, corruption, power, and manipulations of rules and processes. Obama has no ideals except the creed of Marxist to unrich the elite through the control of the masses. His life is like reading Animal Farm. If you think I am crazy, then check into Obama yourself.

I am a registered Democrat and I have no intention of changing my party affiliation because my presidential candidate lost the nomination. I am a Democrat because I want to effect change primarily at the local and state level but also at the federal level for representatives sent to the US congress and US senate. If I change to Independent, as some would have me do, then I have no influence on the candidates put forward to challenge Republicans.

Lastly, I really don’t care that Hillary lost. I have moved on to the next contest. And, again, the question is, “Which candidate, Obama or McCain, is better for me and better for the country”.

I care about me and I care about this country. I am a patriot and I will not stand by and watch a Marxist named Barack Obama lie and bamboozle the masses to get his way into the Presidency. I do not care that Hillary now supports him. If she is too stupid to see what Obama is or too dishonest to fool her supporters into now supporting him, then I am glad she no longer matters.

I see the election as a battle of good v. evil. I will vote for the man (or woman) who will do the most good. Obama is pure evil from the left just like any right-wing evangelical fascist. We ALL need to fully understand what our founding fathers have written in the constitution, we need to understand what the Bill of Rights says, what state rights are. We need to understand how our rights and freedoms are being destroyed by wing-nuts from both parties. We need to speak up and to vote for the best candidates available to preserve our freedoms outlined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Her speech brough a lot of feelings up for me. I had a good cry. My friends here know that I’ve been deeply interested in this, and they have been so sweet. They always remember to ask me how I feel about what happened. I don’t really go into detail because I get all my thoughts out here and other places, so it’s not necessary to drive my real life friends buggy. *haha

But yeah……I’m definitely very sorry that we came up short.

However, I don’t find that interferes with my thinking side.

This notion that we can’t think and feel at the same time is pretty goofy to me. I don’t feel confused at all about my perspective.

Anybody offended by the campaign season and is a Hillary supporter can not help the DNC win. You will be rewarding bad behavior. Do not give them money,let them collect all the money from the Obama supporters. The Obama surrogates are already in the news talking about how it is President Clinton’s duty is to convince the working class to vote for Obama. They have villified the Clintons and now the Democratic party wants them to work night and day to to help Obama. The hypocrisy of the DNC and the media is astounding. The Clintons need time to relax. Let the Democratic party fix the problem they created when they chose Obama to be the nominee.
Hillary was forced to tell us to support Obama. People who have been following politics,knows how this works. She has to be a team player. At this time, the media wants to manipulate people since people are confused. The message being pushed is unity. This exists only in the mind of the elites of the democratic party. They think we are children that need to be told what is best for us. They have no moral authority to lecture others, when we have seen them picking sides and defending the Obama campaign non-stop.
People can see through the farce that we saw today. I respect Hillary, you could see she was forced to endorse him. She was handed a libretto and she was seen reading her lines, just like Richardson and Edwards were seen reading their “support” for Obama. At this time, people have made their minds to support McCain. The house and senate are in Democratic hands, it is up to them to control McCain. It is the job of Congress to represent us and keep the executive branch in check. Let Pelosi and Reid deal with McCain. The choice is acceptable, McCain is a centrist.

Would be interesting to know the true feelings of all the Pledged Delegates, and how many will go to HRC. Oklahoma for instance where she won 59 31.

And the caucus states? Once released? One can only hope.

hillary’s duty to get working class people to vote for mccain. bill’s duty to unite the party. etc. etc. etc.

i see this crap everywhere. obambi and his dnc thugs think the clintons are responsible for electing him.

funny, i thought the candidate was supposed to convince people to vote for him.

if the clintons are the ones that can convince people how to vote, why exactly is obambi presumed to be the nominee?

and now he’s calling the democratic party “his” party.

well, ok, coup completed.

he can have it.

i look forward to his concession speech in november.

in the meantime, contributing to mccain.

It baffles me that anyone would trust that Obama will follow through on any of his so-called policies.

He voted present more frequently than I change my undies.

What does it say when one falls in line because someone tacks Democrat to his name and puts the utmost faith in said candidate because of the label?

Obama flip flops, shows a dangerously low level of knowledge regarding economics and foreign policy, dismisses people with a quick flick of the wrist (loyalty much?), is surrounded by individuals with strong anti-American views, and demonstrates over and over again how little respect he has for Senator Clinton (golf, really now) and for us.

But we are supposed to vote for him because he’s a Democrat?

We all need to read the warnings on the label.

They are clear as day.

I agree. What’s really funny is that my guess is that Obama will not want Hillary in the picture at all. He’ll ask her to do some work in PA or Ohio, maybe.

But I am guessing……not much. He can’t stand his jealousy over Bill, so I’m sure Bill won’t be asked to do much.

Mostly, he just wants her fund raisers to be free to help him now.

Party Unity My Ass is an offensive name. There are more eloquant ways of stating your point.

I so agree with the post. People who supported Hillary will follow the party and do it because Hillary asked them to, or because they just don’t want to leave the Party.

I follow CSPAN , I watch the Congress and Senate , I keep telling people the Dems have done nothing of any consequence . The Republicans might just as well be in the majority right now because they are controlling the issues on the floor of the Senate and Congress. The Dems have no backbone- they don’t use the rules to get legislation passed. The Republicans scream , holler , filibuster constantly hold everything up.

There needs to be alot of changes. There is too much dead wood that needs to go away.

BO hardly took an active role in the Senate, showed up very briefly if at all for committee meeings . And not even talking about the Committee he chaired that he never showed up for regarding NATO and Afganistan.

The Senate for one needs more Byron Dorgans IMHO.

Sorry to ramble .

Nothing will change for the better if BO is elected.

It just gives Kennedy, Kerry, Durbin ( the unchange – ultra liberals total control without interference from the WH) It lets them set the agenda along with Pelosi in the house. It will give her a freer hand and much much more control.

Would not happen with Hillary, that’s why they have pushed her out- that’s why they hated Bill.

And that is the truth , not a talking point.

MY GOD WHAT HAS THE DNC DONE!!!!!!!!! We need to get Dean out of there along with BRAZILE AND OBAMA. They are saying he is the head of the DNC now. This is such a setup it’s SICK. Did all of you know that Mika, on MSNBC Morning Joe’s father he is on Obama’s staff. Gee as if we didn’t know someone was. Was it not written somewhere that Bin Laden said they would destroy us from within…now the DNC is trying to shove a candidate down our throats who has RADICAL friends and wants to talk with Terrorist loving nations. We have to work hard to stop this. I honestly feel Hillary is being held captive by Obama and the DNC, they know she would NEVER agree to do the things Obama has said he will. She is too smart for that. It is time to set America and Hillary free from these clutches of EVIL.

Obama is a fraud — he’s a rich boy who tries to play the poor boy. Obama is a liar. And Obama has murdered the democratic party.

He will not win in November.

I have no respect for anyone who supports Obama — either they have been paid off, or they were too damned lazy to investigate who he is and learn who his friends and advisers are.

Obama is a cult — he is a created illusion.

The strongest argument for NOT voting the Obamanation is that this cancer must be removed from the corpse of the democrat party.

The DNC has NOT listened to the MAJORITY who voted for Hillary Clinton.

Frankly I am beginning to believe that the democrat party should be allowed to remain dead. I have no need of a party run by people with no morals, no principles.

A vote for Obama is a vote for Chicago style politics —

A vote for Obama means a continuation of his sexist and racist style of politics.

A vote for Obama means that our nation will NOT be safe.

A vote for Obama means that the precarious economic climate we are in will become worse.

A vote for Obama will mean repression and oppression by the Obama Brownshirts — we seen what has happened to so many websites. Taylor Marsh, Daily Chaos, Huff-nuts, etc.

A vote for Obama will probably mean more of the screwed up Federal Educational policy — probably run by his good buddy Professor of Education William Ayers.

A vote for Obama — means that he will owe the special interests who bankrolled his campaign — NOT the poor folk who voted for him — but the OIL and Health Insurance Industry (where his wife works).

Basically a vote for Obama is unAmerican — because he is not an American — not a real American.

I’m seeing little signs on doors and cars — “Proud to be an American” — and I know why — this is a statement AGAINST Obama. Because the people who are sticking these words out in public are making a statement to Obamabots.

My dad was buried last September — he was career military — US Navy. Unless you’ve lived the military life you have no idea of the sacrifices military personnel and their families make.(I was born into the military life — it was the only life I knew until I went to college).

Obama has no respect for the military — and I believe that he would put the US military at risk.

I believe that Obama is a security risk.

Anyone who votes for Obama is a traitor to America and you are spitting on my father’s grave and all the other military men and women who served their country. Obama has no concept of service TO America.

Those of us who vow to vote against Obama are doing it in protest to send the DNC a message.

I don’t fear McCain. He’s made comments that he may only want one term as president. If he does indeed intentionally become a one-term president, he won’t owe the extreme right any favors. And he may once again become the maverick who took on his own party.

Here are some fast facts to override the Obama talking points.

1. Obama says McCain voted 95% of the time with Bush. However the truth is (like Obama) McCain was campaigning for a year and has missed several senate votes. Of course the percentage would rise.

What’s more interesting is this — even though Obama missed many senate votes when campaigning, Obama voted with Bush 40% of the time. (see CQ.com) And, of course, Obama voted FOR the Bush-Cheney Energy Bill that was written by energy corporations. (To pay back Excelon for all their contributions to him in Chicago.)

2. McCain has never said he wanted to overturn Roe v Wade. He has said Roe v Wade is “flawed.” McCain has only clearly stated one position on abortion — he is against late-term abortions.

Keep in mind that a large number of Republicans are pro-choice. In fact, the majority of the country is pro-choice, pro-lifers remain a small minority. In my research, I’ve found several articles that state McCain has been intentionally vague on the subject of Roe v Wade over the years because he did not want to take on the religious right.

3. On Iraq – let’s put McCain aside and look at Obama. Obama has repeatedly left himself a way to back out of his promises to withdraw troops from Iraq.

In every one-on-one interview he clearly states he will withdraw troops “Depending on the how conditions are on the ground when I take office.”

He doesn’t say what conditions would cause him to keep troops there. He just says “depending on ground conditions.”

Anyone savvy in politics sees he has given himnself an escape route on his Iraq War promises.

Obama has basically the same position on abortion rights. Lots of morality talk this season.

I agree with you on McCain’s Iraq stuff. I hear the same.

The only disagreement is that my vote really isn’t a protest vote. At this point, Obama simply failed to convince me that his judgment is good. His record is nonexistent, so he failed with me.

The reason I withdrew from the Democratic Party and am now Independent was in protest to the DNC.

Just a nuance, I suppose….but that’s where we are different.

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I Won’t Do That
Hillary Clinton no BO…Nobama Hillary

Oh, I agree Ann. I personally trust McCain more than Obama.

I guess I didn’t word my opening clearly enough.

My core intention was to dispel the Obama-paid bloggers’ anti-McCain talking points trying to scare Hillary supporters away from McCain.

I listen carefully to B.O. and I’m certain Obama will keep the troops in Iraq. He voted against Kerry’s bill to remove troops on a timetable. Everyone seems to skip over that.

And here’s the interesting part — Obama has not received a significant bump in the polls against McCain.

Something every “presumptive nominee”
gets. It seems the Obama voter market is saturated.

It’s down to independents. And it’s a long way to November — lots can happen.

(Hillary did not concede today – keep the faith)

Operation Chaos…Interesting Subject..

When did the media and BO’s campaign start talking about this…Oh, wait ….wait..I know..it was Wisconsin Primary when they were told to vote for Hillary. Uh!

Funny they didn’t discuss it and no one else seems to discuss that this began before Wisconsin but then listeners were told by Rush and Laura Ingraham to vote for BO. So of course no one had any complaints at that time.

And where might Rush and Laura have gotten their idea…Wait I know that as well… BO’s campaign would be my guess.

Since they were advertising in every state with mailings telling voters to “Be A Democrat For The Day”. And letting them know they could re-register back to Republican the next day. Some states actually set up tables outside voting places to re-register Republicans.

So BO and his team dreamed this little idea up , Rush and Laura just gave it a name and made it seem like their idea.

Check it out people. Obama started that game.

You are so right, kijh! Women are forever stricken with “battered-wife syndrome” – always taking the man who just put them in the hospital back – always for the children’s sake. Well, guess what? You’re doing more harm to those children by staying with this abusive man, having the boys learn how to be abusive husbands, and the girls learn how to never fight back or stand up for themselves. No more – women will never get ahead as long as they buy into this bullshit and that’s why they are still second-class citizens discriminated against everywhere despite being the majority voting group! For once in your damn life -women – STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES. Otherwise you are condoning this behavior and you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Boycott Oprah. Boycott MSNBC. Boycott the Dem Party.

Response to the DNC:

UNITY? LOL. I am dropping the dem party on Monday–how’s that.
–I actually feel pretty relaxed…it’s the Obama folks who have to worry about their pride if they lose the WH–maybe they will figure out that he mainly won the red republican states by caucus, that superdelegates went against their own states that Hilalry won to endorse Obama, that Obama coasted on a propaganda machine of lies built by the media, that MI and FL was one big cheat, that Hillary won the popular vote, that Hillary got the majority of the women vote, white working class vote, the rural white vote, the hispanics, the seniors, the catholics, the jews…that absolutley NO ONE can win the White House without, and maybe they will figure out that Hillary won all the big blue states and purple swing states needed to win…I still find it sort of insane that she won New York, California, and Ohio, PA, Florida, etc…and Obama won places like hard-core republican Alaska…and people thought it mattered for Obama only–lol, craziness. Maybe they will figure out that the electoral maps all showed Hillary beating McCain easily and Obama either tied or losing to McCain, and maybe they will all figure out that all those exit polls of more people in Hillary’s group saying that they would never vote for Obama than Obama’s people who would support her. Or maybe they will figure out that Hillary was sometimes outspent 4 to 1, like in PA, but she kept winning and winning and winning, and especially huge in many of the latest contests.

Obama did indeed limp across the finish line…he never even made the nom number, he only got there because of superdelegate promises…it’s a very weak win for Obama. Hillary was the stronger candidate to go up against McCain, and she would have killed him in debates, etc.

Now, Obama, a man who served ONE year in the U.S. Senate before running for president will go up against a 5-year POW American War hero, a man who held two terms in the House of Representatives and has 20 YEARS as a U.S. Senator.

LOL!

Maybe they will figure all this out one day–but really it doesn’t matter what they think.

**Never Obama.

Hillary was counting on us to know the difference between her and Obama. Now she’s held hostage by her own party. It is up us to save her from them.

Whatever LinFar writes or says is irrelevant. She has destroyed her credibility and joined the ranks of the weak sellouts.

Just for the record, the mantra at dkos of ‘anyone but Hillary’ started before the primary as the kos ‘pundits’ wondered who would run. The hatred for Clintons was showing up as the kids wanted real progressive change. When the candidates were announced most of them jumped on the Edwards band wagon and the rest of us were blocked out until Edwards dropped out. Then because it had to be ANYONE but Hillary they all jumped for Obama. So these so called loyalists for Obama seemed pretty phony back then to me and I often questioned if they were republicans. I still believe the Bushies’ young republicans, christian coalition people had entrenched themselves in many of the so-called Democratic blogs early on and the attack became full blown.
Then the Older members of the blogs were attacked, then the women for Hillary and it never stopped.

The kids/republicans want change at any cost. And the thing about
kids/republicans they don’t often listen to reason, facts or principles. The old DEMs in congress don’t want to lose their power so are keeping the kids pacified.

So much of this election is shameful. Integrity should always be more important than popularity.
NOBAMA

People, why are we waisting our time on one person who took a different approach to the “undemocratic” party’s assassination of democracy?

We must move on. Hillary took her decision, we must take ours.

I suggest we start discussing effective ways to use our votes. Voting is the only tool we have to show ‘em how powerful we can be.

Please, lets move on.

You got it

WHAT WITH THE GREEN BLOCKS AND THE EMPTY COMMENTS???

IS SOMEBODY SABOTAGING THIS SITE??

“They have villified the Clintons and now the Democratic party wants them to work night and day to to help Obama”

Exactly. How low can the Obama camp go. Just when you think they couldn’t sink any lower, they manage to find a away to do so.

Thank You Elizabeth for stating that. I agree.

Seriously leave. If you can’t even criticize the right person then you aren’t smart enough to be here.

Besides, I said I didn’t agree with Linfar and that I respect her. Get a brain.

I hate to say it but I agree with lourdes…if we are to be totally honest and succeed in stopping Obama we have to take a CLEAR look at the facts. Obama set out to run for the presidency years ago, he was a good student in how to be successful, read about all the beloved leaders we’ve had and just copied their role. Announces in Lincoln’s home town, does the mock I have a dream speech, copies Hillary’s plan for the nation, etc. To make sure things went his way he throws in the Chicago sytle way to campaign …read up on how he rose through the ranks in Chicago, he played the race card on the Clintons right from the start, knowing full well the media would back him. Hillary has suspended her campaign,,yes,,but according to the news that is the only way she could get him to help her pay her debts and she had to keep her delegates to make sure he did. Right now in Louisiana if you have read the DNC is signing up a massive amount of voters…the registrar there is concerned there is funny business going on because thousands of names are not legit….dead people are signing up to vote…IS THIS THE KIND OF PERSON YOU WANT TO RUN THIS COUNTRY…he wants to meet with terrorist and disarm our military…DOES THAT NOT SCARE YOU…look at his ‘FRIENDS’….Yes I wanted Hillary, but she backed out on us, our country is more important than one person. We had better get our act together and fast because the Obama camp isn’t waiting. Go to Democrats For McCain web site…PUMA has set up an ACTION board,,,NOW is the time to start taking the DNC and our country back, not at the end of August.

She has destroyed her credibility and joined the ranks of the weak sellouts.

Like Taylor Marsh. But I suspect that Marsh is trying to protect her celebrity status.
As despised as they are by those with liberal leanings, you don’t see Limbaugh, Hannity or Dobbs switching their positions to please anyone. But men don’t have the incessant need to be loved by everyone that women have.

The group collecting new voter registration in Louisiana is called Voting Is Power…check it out…it is a Muslim organiztion

Evidently her “writings” didn’t reflect who or what she is.

Otherwise she could not have suddenly flip-flop and said that she will now support someone she has been reviling for months.

What is she 12 years old? Hillary told her to? What adult does a complete about face because they were told to. She may be a good writer but her convictions sure as hell don’t go very deep. Thus she isn’t worth the time wasted to read her drivel.

There are writers on blogs that may not always write well but they write from the heart. The write what they think and feel. They have the courage of their convictions and thus they have credibility. linfar, no.

Sadly she isn’t the first and she won’t be the last. Good little Democratic Stepford Wives don’t look a whole hell of a lot different than good little Republican Stepford Wives do they?

I said my goodbyes and left talkleft yesterday. The handwriting was on the wall once Jeralyn endorsed Obama.

I was getting real tired of BTD’s trying to shove a unity ticket down everyone’s throat anyway. Not to mention his arrogance if someone dares to disagree with him. And I have no desire to have a discussion with an Obamacrat at any time.

Who I vote for and why is my decision and I don’t need some Obamacrat pinhead trying to tell me what I should do. And I don’t need to be lectured by the Guilt Gestapo about Roe either. Not my concern anymore. Let all the young women that voted for Obama worry about it.

Agree with ya as usual mimi. We all gotta do what we all gotta do to live with ourselves. And myself would kick my ass if I voted for that ass no matter who the hell told me to do it.

I do find a problem with people that do things because someone “told” them to do it. Say what you are doing, why, and then tell anyone that doesn’t like it to pi$$ off. If you haven’t the guts to do that, then you didn’t care much anyway IMO.

How in the hell does a former Republican like Zsa-Zsa Huffington know what life long and enraged Democrats will do? Read her tealeaves? Gaze into her crystal ball? These pundidiots are disgusting in their pretense of knowing what the rest of us will do. Talk about hubris!

It is unprecedented that the losing candidate for a party nomination to be expected to endorse and support the winning candidate.

I AM OUTRAGED.

Someone said the polls haven’t reflected his presumptive nominee status yet.

I think we’ll see what kind of real bump he got next week.

CNN just posted a poll showing that he only gets 60% of her supporters right now. That’s worse than exit polls were showing.

I have decided that if Cynthia McKinney is the Green Party’s nominee I will vote for her. I refuse to vote for Obama….he started his campaign by breaking his word. Remember him saying he wouldn’t run because he needed to finish his term and get more experience?

I refuse to be the battered wife of the DNC and from now on the boys club can make their own damn coffee.

Absolutely! I refuse to be like the bush supporters who voted for him TWICE. If we turn a blind eye to the corruption in the Democratic Party we will have become what we despise.

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If we as Democrats and women cave to the behavior of the DNC we would indeed be just like the Republican Stepford Wives.

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damn right we need to stop this asshole. i’ve already signed up at citizens for mccain and sent him money. will be doing more.

was on another article a few minutes ago, where an alleged marine was doing one of those don’t like obama but mccain’s horrible things. said we shouldn’t vote for mccain out of “spite” because hillary lost.

obvious troll crap. but some fall for it, as shown by the posts responding to him (although even those may be phony). we need to be alert and fight back.

the louisiana registration fraud is particularly troubling. this may be happening everywhere. obambi may be planning a landslide “victory” made completely of fraud.

incredible!

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