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Nancy Pelosi Needs To Apologize

(bumped up from Thursday morning)

Yesterday I was appalled to watch the Speaker of the House comment on Press Secretary Robert Gibbs’ assertion that the anger at these town halls over health care reform is “manufactured”. The reporter asked, “Do you think there is legitimate grassroots opposition going on out there?”

Nancy Pelosi made the following statement:

“I think they’re Astroturf…you be the judge. They are carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care.”

How dare she? I have heard of bullying tactics but this is beyond the pale. She is cherrypicking a couple of extreme protesters, if indeed they exist, in order to deride the whole as an angry mob. My husband and I were Democrats for thirty years and we have questions and concerns about this overhaul as well. Here’s a hot flash, Ms. Pelosi, my Dad was used as slave labor by people who wore swastikas so I don’t appreciate being grouped in with them.


Average citizens who daily watch our leadership trade places in the clown car have a reason to be worried. Until Ms. Pelosi and every other elitist in Congress, on both sides of the aisle, is willing to be subject to the exact same health care plan, and use it on their own mother, their children and themselves, they have no business sticking it to the rest of us. “Okay for thee but not for me” is not going to cut it.

There is no doubt that both sides “astroturf.” President Obama’s svengali, David Axelrod, is known for this behavior. There will always be groups left or right who will try to bank on to a legitimate protest for their own ends. Yet I have no doubt that the majority of these protesters are legitimate. We are talking about a 1,000 page monstrosity that no one can explain.

Pelosi is talking about overhauling one sixth of our nation’s economy when they have just laid an egg with the stimulus package and $60 billion dollar car bailouts.

Last year I watched the DNC insult anyone who did not buy the “cool” candidate they chose to put on their spaghetti jar. Their bullying tactics drove me away. As brilliant WaPo columnist Marie Cocco put it, their “deafening silence” on what looked to be the media lynching of Hillary Clinton didn’t help either.

People get mad when you question them for one of two reasons. Either they don’t have the answer and don’t want be made to look bad, or they know they are trying to pull a fast one and don’t want you to get a peek behind the curtain. Which is it? If the policy cannot be explained coherently and simply, that means they don’t have it working yet. Pardon my dust, but I thought the ultimate goal was to craft a policy that is better than what we have now.

I do not appreciate being bullied or blown off. People are angry and they are scared. Unemployment is in double digits in my state. My Congressman has been ensconced in his position for 25 years. He runs unopposed so I assure you, he isn’t bothering to have a town hall meeting on health care otherwise I’d be there shouting, too.

We pay their salaries. I do not wish to be told to shut up and sit down by the likes of Ms. Pelosi, who sees fit to negatively classify the opposition because she does not feel like being countermanded.

I can appreciate the President wishes to put forth an ambitious agenda, but this White House is tone deaf. We have moved beyond ego here. I am not concerned with someone racking up “accomplishments” just so they can say they did. We have severe problems in our economy and trying to do all this at once without first making sure you’ve got the right formula is like trying to paint a house in a hurricane.

Nancy Pelosi needs to apologize to the American people for the disrespect she has shown them. We are dealing with the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and we have every right to have all our questions answered.

We can do without the name calling and disrespect from our elected representatives. That is not the way to earn anyone’s trust.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Right on, Ani. You hit a bunch of nails smack dab on the head! This is so good that I am going to now read it again!

    • susan

      Pelosi’s behavior will be reflected in Obama’s declining poll numbers. Americans have a right to peaceable assembly and protest. The president’s call to action by the likes of Acorn et al, and his instructions to hit the opposition twice as hard will likely only fan the flames higher. This is not very presidential, but what can you expect of the candidate who gave a former first lady the finger? He is a class act and Pelosi is delusional regarding that swastika claim. Do these people seriously expect to get re-elected with this behavior?

  • HARP

    RAW VIDEO!!…..TEA PARTY PROTESTERS ATTACKED– 1 Black Conservative Seriously Hurt in St. Louis!… 6 Arrested Including SEIU Members

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/tea-party-protesters-attacked-1-man.html

    • candymarl

      HARP I heard about this. Shameful.

      BTW where’s Obama now commenting on stupidity and racism?

      (crickets…) That’s what I thought.

      • HARP

        I sure hope Glen and Sean pick up on this.

        This should also determine who is organizing. Check it out.

        http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/07/the-kathy-castor-event-was-officially-hosted-by-seiu/#comments

        • candymarl

          Thanks for the link. SEIU is one of Obama’s biggest supporters. Wonder who they’ll blame now?

          • HARP

            Booosh

        • tzada

          NEW BATTLE BREWING—UNION THUGS AGAINST TEA PARTY PATRIOTS

          The nation’s largest federation of labor organizations has promised to directly engage with boisterous conservative protesters at Democratic town halls during the August recess.

          In a memo sent out on Thursday, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney outlined the blueprint for how the union conglomerate would step up recess activities on health care reform and other topics pertinent to the labor community. The document makes clear that Obama allies view the town hall forums as ground zero of the health care debate. It also uses the specter of the infamous 2000 recount “Brooks Brothers” protest to rally its members to the administration’s side.

          “The principal battleground in the campaign will be town hall meetings and other gatherings with members of Congress in their home districts,” reads the memo. “We want your help to organize major union participation to counter the right-wing “Tea-Party Patriots” who will try to disrupt those meetings, as they’ve been trying to do to meetings for the last month. …

          http://www.sodahead.com/blog/125169/new-battle-brewing—union-thugs-against-tea-party-patriots/

          • Portia Elizabeth

            OMG! Is this going to escalate into a civil war? Why isn’t our Prez trying to smooth the troubled waters?

            • jwrjr

              Why isn’t Ozero trying to smooth the waters? He would rather deal with Union sharks by throwing “chum” to them.

              • Scout

                And to think Hillary was the “divisive” one.

                The country needs uniting, President Unification. Isn’t this the moment you’ve been waiting for?

              • Portia Elizabeth

                Oooh, good analogy, jwrjr.

                • jwrjr

                  I thought that the SEIU and ACORN activity did rather resemble a shark feeding frenzy.

            • proud mobster

              The President is too busy stirring the cauldron.

            • fif

              Because he sent them…

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      The WH sent out their thugs, and sure enough, violence broke out:

      I guess the Democrats were right after all. At a town meeting held by a Democrat congressman, a rowdy group of organized and angry thugs showed up to make a point about ObamaCare, and then beat up a man. Race was involved, too: the victim was black — attacked by a man yelling racial slurs.

      It’s every Democrat talking point you’ve read about in the last day or two, come to life in an ugly fashion.

      With one twist. The black victim was a conservative, and the assailants may well have been union thugs:

      http://patterico.com/2009/08/06/angry-mob-of-racist-extremists-beats-black-man-at-town-hall-meeting/

      • Retired

        Do the Revs Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton even acknowlege this incident? Normally, they would be all over it, crying “racist!” Not a peep from the pimps of race.

    • Cindy

      Harp—Thanks so much for the link!

    • jbjd

      Did you hear that big white man? He said, “He attacked America; we attacked him.”

  • candymarl

    What’s wrong with these people? Protest, dissent, and sometimes outright brawls have long been a feature of our Republic.

    Can’t stand the heat Nancy and friends? Get the heck out of the kitchen and find another job.

    To quote The Donald – “You’re Fired!”

    • candymarl

      To clarify there’s a difference between a beating and a brawl. I don’t intend to excuse those who beat that guy to the point he had to go to the emergency room.

      • Portia Elizabeth

        That is sickening. How did it come to that? That poor man’s life is changed forever.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Brava Ani!

    And the thing is, the Dems have the majority, but they can’t get their own party to agree – so what do they do? Attack the Republicans.

    If all the Dems were on board, this wouldn’t even be an issue. But because of their own inadequacies, they turn ugly and blame Republican, and the American people.

    • Ani

      This is a repeat of the tactics his campaign used last year — demonize the opponent reather than deigning to actually answer their concerns. It is a disgusting tactic. Perhaps last year some of these same people supported Obama so they believed his slurs against others. Now that the slurs are against them and they see what nonsense it is, I don’t think they are going to take kindly to be referred to as extremists.

      Even Peggy Noonan of all people has a piece in WSJ today — she has finally stopped drinking his koolaid. Will wonders never cease. Truly, when I read her piece, I thought she had already read several of our posts before composing hers. She was realy telling off the Dem leadership for their tactics.

      • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

        Can you post a link to her article?

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        totally!

      • Betty

        OMG!

        It is all Hillary’s fault!

      • tzada

        Ani, I read that too. Then the huffys wrote an article about union thugs being called in to get in private citizens faces if they disagree with the current administrations policies. I chose to give someone else website, because I cannot forgive them for all the dirt they have dished and the boots they have licked.

        Are they changing or trying to ambush us?

      • TeakWoodKite

        Ani, I listen to several radio heads on both sides of the dial.

        It does appear that they are reacting to what the writers at NQ are posting and I was thinking the same several days back. Keep it up.

        Me thinks that BO Industries Inc. is in for a very rude wake up call when they attribute the pissed of constituents to Rebup astro turfing.

        It is interesting that Pelosi used the term “astroturfing” in such a familiar tone.. Takes one to know one.

        • http://noquarter foxyladi14

          it.s botox on the brain

      • Wisewoman

        Ani. What people fail to comprehend is that this is the “Daly, Aexrod. OBama, Chicago Way at its finest. This IS the real man!!

    • http://! stodgie

      yup animal farm again. and the pigs walked on their feet and some were more equal than others. sigh been there done that.

      nancy is my humble view is the dumbest piece of work i have seen in a very very long time.

    • tead off

      How many ordinary Democrats is Obama losing with these tactics? My guess would be that the young who believed in Hope and Change are disillusioned. Acorn seems to have fizzled so now Obama needs Union Thugs to undermine free speech.

      • TeakWoodKite

        DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE ACORN. They are like a dormant virus and are not going away anytime soon. They are just digesting all the pork BO tossed them and are taking a low key nap.

        • Scout

          I agree.

      • jbjd

        As a teacher in a large urban school district, I was thinking, BO lost many of those young people who supported him the minute he asked them to become ‘snitches.’

  • Kim

    Great post Ani! I’m so sorry that your father suffered at the hand of the Nazis. I remember being very proud when Pelosi became Speaker, but she has become a huge disappointment.

    The people showing-up at the townhalls are just everyday people who are frustrated and scared, because they don’t know what is going to happen. Congress will come back from their break and ram this bill through without reading it. None of us really have any idea what health-care reform is going to mean for each of us. There are too many unanswered questions and nobody seems to be willing to answer them.

    • Ani

      Kim, thank you for your kind words.

      I am also holding out a slim hope that during the recess, Congress will get such an earful that they don’t dare pass this monstrosity before at the very least reworking it.

      • tead off

        Ani — That’s my hope as well. I just can’t believe that all these Congressional Dems are prepared to go over a cliff for Obama’s Messianic agenda.

        • jwrjr

          Now you know why I call them “Demolemmings”.

      • tzada

        Ani the Cap and Trade thing is coming up in Sept too
        It is as bad or worse than the HC. I read a very good article on it at the American Thinker today

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/the_real_climate_agenda.html

        Also this one:

        What is going on here?

        Alright enough already! Will someone please turn the lights back on and roll the credits for this week’s episode of the Twilight Zone.

        First we have the brazenly Orwellian directive from the Office of Health Reform/Ministry of Truth to contact our friendly snitchboard operator to report any “fishy” communications from our neighbors/political extremists. Then from Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugs I learn that the National Guard is now looking for a few good internment/resettlement specialists?

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/what_is_going_on_here.html

    • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

      I actually shed tears when the she-devil became Speaker. I thought it was such a wonderful achievement to have a woman hold the position. But it, among other things, has forced me to abandon identity politics. Because it isn’t what a person looks like, or what their gender is that matters. It is more important who they are. And the country, I think, is learning that lesson the hard way.

  • helenk

    Axis Sally Pelosi is such a failure for women. She had a chance as the first female speaker to advance so many new ideas that would help women. After her I do not think we will have another female speaker in my lifetime.
    She has forgotten why she is in congress and who she is supposed to represent. She needs to step down now.

    dissent = patriotism
    Following blindly and not questioning leads to dictatorship.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQ1UALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • Lisabona

      As, Pelosi is a failure for us, womens. Obama is a failure, for many Americans.. It would not mattered at all, if he is NB ot not. If he, really wanted to prove his slogan, “YES, WE CAN”. If he just would put aside his ambition and extend his hands and holding ours, for a better and more prosperous AMERICA.He, for sure, would be the one, to change the history of our nation. Why, he didn’t do it?

  • imustprotest

    I love the “trying to paint a house in a hurricane” line!

    • Ani

      :)

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      lol

  • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

    Nancy Pelosi showed her true colors last year during the run up to Obama’s coronation. I have nothing but contempt for her. There is a coordinated effort by the DNC to demonize and trivialize any of us that oppose them. It’s the worst case of polarization I have seen in our country since Bush tried the same thing against those that opposed his policies. In fact, it is worse because it is coming from the Democratic party.

    If you can’t shut em up, shut em out!

    • vireo

      At least she is consistent in her contempt for citizen protest.

      “I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things — Buddhas? I don’t know what they were — couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk.”

      Unsmilingly, she continued: “If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have ‘Impeach Bush’ across their chest, it’s the First Amendment.”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100902006.html

  • barry bums a ciggie

    Nancy Pelosi reminds me of an un-hip individual who tries so hard to use the lingo of the youth. Noticed how when she said Astroturf, it was so forced and silly. She and the Dems just can’t believe that the people could be against 0zero’s policies. So, naturally, they throw insults at those who oppose.

    The swastikas comment was so f*ckin’ over the top. Uh, Nancy, these folks aren’t nazis they are saying YOU ARE, for forcing your bullshit policy down their throats and calling them an angry mob for exercising their 1st amendment! What part of free speech do these fools in Washington people don’t understand?

    • Cindy

      Barry—The reason Nancy’s comments sound forced and silly is because, in my opinion, she has never had an original thought, except which color rinse to put on her hair.

      • http://! stodgie

        cindy i doubt she has the good sense to make even that decision. her colorist i am sure recommends because nancy doesn’t have a clue about THAT EITHER.

      • tead off

        Poor Nancy — I think all that Botox has gone to her head.

        • required reading

          Clarification: all that Botox is IN her head…..

          • http://firefox Annie (Whitey) Collier

            ur uh…her brain.

  • Peggy Sue

    Excellent article, Ani. This is beginning to turn very ugly. The Dems have no intention of explaining this program to the public. They expected to ram it down our throats. And as AGI pointed out, they can’t even get their own membership on board. So what do they do? Finger point, namecall and send in the union thugs. And Pelosi is the worst of the crew insisting that anyone who’s unwilling to go along to get along is unAmerican.

    It’s a clear indication of how these politicians view the American public: annoying sheeple. How dare we ask questions or demand details???

    Peggy Noonan [someone I rarely agree with] had an op-ed at the WSJ yesterday. Drudge has it up this morning. She points out the Dems completely over reached with these rushed programs during troubled economic times. People are scared and angry and they’re starting to push back. And if the Democrats think insulting the electorate is the way to go, they’re in for a huge surprise.

  • John

    The people are awakening. If you have not seen the videos posted on drudge this morning go look now. Union members are physically removing people with objectionable views. The democrat leadership has brought it to this level. Now the people will respond with an entirely new level,that has not been seen for sometime in this country. WAKE UP PEOPLE, WAKE UP NOW, Our dreams, our parents dreams our children’s dreams are being yanked from us. Show the leadership now, today, this weekend that we will not stand for this kind of behavior. This is America. Obama you ran on a great premise but now you are showing your true colors. The chicago way has no place in “OUR HOUSE”. Did you not understand that Barrack? “OUR HOUSE”. We have the power to take it back. When you criticize or publicly bash freedom of speech you open a can of worms that has been silent for sometime. That is the underlying fabric of this country. Mess with it and your toast. PEOPLE , IF THIS IS HOW THEY ACT WHEN THERE IS AN OPPOSING VIEW, JUST THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES OF GIVING THEM MORE CONTROL OF OUR LIVES. WAKE UP. WAKE UP TODAY!

    • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

      Union members are physically removing people with objectionable views.

      Flashback to 1968. Perhaps protesters should be chanting: The whole world is watching.

      Of course in many of the socialist countries they would probably be cheering the union members on.

  • gianni

    Pelosi has sunk to a new low. Shameful. Throw all the bums out, beginning with Obama.

  • Cahil

    You are right on the money.

    The clown car cadre also made a deal with the Veterans Administration saying that the VA didn’t have to take this health care plan.

    What does that tell us. The VA, who is not known for its great programs, would rather keep what they have than go with this new mess.

    Ani, you’re right about the clowns that doth protest too much. The louder this White House and their lackeys yell,the more you can be sure that they’re lying and covering up their incompetencies.

  • helenk

    All the thug tactics from backtrack just show me he does not and never did understand America and her citizens. He was taught from the time he was a child to be anti-American. He is in for a rude awakening. Maybe the democratic party forgot its principles but the American people did not.
    Remember the flag saying ” Don’t tred on me”

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • HARP

      I just love your sign off with each comment. Keep up the good work.

      • helenk

        HARP
        thank you

        WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

        PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Naturally

    You “have no doubt that the majority of these protesters are legitimate?”

    They are goons, just as the shouting, phony mob that shut down the Florida recount in 2000 were goons. These town hall protests were orchestrated and scripted by insurance oligarchs and their Republican stooges. Rachel Maddow exposed them a few days ago.

    http://www.commondreams.org/video/2009/08/06

    What we need is single-payer, universal, not-for-profit health INSURANCE, just like every other industrialized nation (except South Africa) already has. In other words, we should have public health insurance, just like we have public water and sewer, public roads and highways, public libraries and public schools. There’s nothing scary in that.

    By sending their goons to protest the fatally-flawed public-option-duct-taped-to-for-profit-insurance plans, the insurance oligarchs are distracting us from the real issue of single-payer. That’s what we need to have, and that is worth protesting for.

    • HARP

      You have larger problems if you are listening to Madcow.

    • Ani

      We can’t even get to have your debate, however, because this administration does not want to hear it.

      They wish to ram down our throats a policy they have not even read and cannot even explain with the justification that they need to get something passed fast and will fix it later. Wrong.

      Do it once, do it right.

      And yes, there are plenty of people who are legitimately upset. Just because they may not agree with your point of view does not mean they are not real. By your logic, the people on the left who protest were never real either.

      I voted a Dem ticket all my life, but I am so disgusted by the tactics of a party I once respected. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      Furthermore, protest is not the purview of the left. Everyone in this country gets to have a say. This plan is crap. They know it and that’s why they are trying to shut everyone down. The VA doesn’t even want it.

      I know plenty of Democrats who are likewise upset with Obama and his plans so please, let us not generalize about who is protesting and who is upset.

      • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

        We can’t even get to have your debate, however, because this administration does not want to hear it.

        And that is the heart of the matter.

      • lauraks

        Do you think the fact this is all so rushed is related to Kennedy receiving the presidential medal of freedom honor on 8/12, Obama vacationing on the Vineyard this month and that Kennedy was too ill to vote on Sotomayer? Kennedy’s support of Obama(betrayal of Hillary) was crucial to his viability.

        I think he feels more obligation to Kennedy than he does to bitter old people like me(though I’m 5 years older than Obama). Quite frankly the swastika slur infuriates me because my dad , a first generation jew,was a medic in France & Germany during WWII and many in his extended family never even made it here. What he saw broke his spirit and to think these glib technocrats have the temerity to throw around such atrocious slurs.

        He stood for something at tremendous personal cost and to think our freedom to simply speak! is under siege.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        word, Ani.

    • candymarl

      So great then what’s in this plan? Even Obama says he doesn’t know. If it’s so good then all government employees (Obama included) should be required to sign up not just those outside of government.

      We’ve gone out of the frying pan into the fire. Rachel Maddow is not the be all and end all. Unless she personally knows all of these people how does she know it’s a Repub orchestrated thing?
      I’ve seen the videos. People were also screaming at their Republican Representatives.

      BTW how much is this going to cost and how will we pay for it? How will it affect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? WE THE PEOPLE have a RIGHT not a PRIVILEGE to know. Obama went along with the Bush bankster bailout scheme and that cost us trillions.

      Goldman-Sachs are now granting themselves record bonuses thanks to the bailout. Didn’t Obama say that wouldn’t happen?

      The people want answers. This is a Democratic Republic. Have you ever watched the British Parliament? There’s yelling and even cussing. Heck they even cuss at and boo the Prime Minister.

      But our Reps can’t take some yelling and people who disagree are being removed and in one case beaten. Isn’t that we despised Bush for? I ain’t seeing the difference.

    • Ani
    • Ginger

      With one condescending swipe, Pelosi made it “us against them.” Too bad she got her panties in a twist when she got yelled at by her own constituents over this idiot’s (her) idea of healthcare.
      Last elex, she rec’d 71% of the vote in her district. Looks like she just lost her next elex. Good riddance.

    • WMCB

      If you think this is all paid goons, you’re insane. 1000 to 1500 (police estimates) bussed-in paid goons in St Louis alone? All of these paid goons happening in huge crowds, simultaneously, all over the country?

      Rachel is full of it.

      FYI I know many of the people who protested Doggett. A lot were democrats. None were goons.

      • Mary

        Rachel Maddow is a corporate whore for General Electric.

        They gave her all her talking points, so GE can get huge government contracts from Obamacare.

        Rachel doesn’t give a damm about average Americans; she cares about pleasing her corporate masters.

        Period.

        • jbjd

          Rachel Maddow, a spokesperson for GE, said today that…

    • HC123

      Hey Naturally, I have a bridge for sale. Its really well built, quality stuff – and heres the best part: its a bottleneck between Brooklyn and the city. It could be a real cash cow! Most industrialized nations have these bridges as well, they are just a fabulous investment.

      Just send me your bank account information so I can make a downpayment for you. This is a deal only someone with your wit and critical thinking can understand.

      • Scout

        I think Naturally made a good point, that all this ruckus (and imo it’s partly regular folk and partly staged) keeps us from the more important dialogue which is how to pay for medical services for all Americans.

        I am a doc and would vastly prefer a single payer. (Tammy if you’re here, I’m finished with being called a liar…)

        To that end, I post this:

        On opencongress.org you can find the text to this bill (thanks, WMCG) and you can declare your support or lack of support.

        More than 100,000 have looked at “ObamaCare” HR 3200. 12% support it. This bill has 8 cosponsors.

        The single payer/expansion of medicare for all bill, HR 676, has been viewed by less than 10,000 people, 28% indicate support. This bill, introduced by Conyers (D, MI), has 86 cosponsors. The bills share three sponsors in common.

        I have started to read these bills. So far, I much prefer HR 676, the bill that B0 has claimed is off the table.

        Why is that???

        On the site, you can register your support and contact your representatives. I urge everyone to do so.

        As a doc, I really want to know why single payer (and leave the medicine to us, please) is off the table.

        I think if we push for HR 676 to have a vote, we might get somewhere. It has more cosponsors than it needs votes to pass.

        Seems like a no-brainer unless your goal is to reward your insurance donors, which is where I think B0 is really coming from.

    • Faulkner

      Maddow????

      The insurance companies are in bed with Obama. They cut a deal that helps them profit from this health care reform.

      http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/business-week-declares-the-winners-in-health-care-reform/

      Why is it so hard to believe that average people will get off their couch and raise their voices when they are truly motivated by something?

      Please report back to your handlers that you have posted on a site that is not supportive of his health initiative and collect your check.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Democrats can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

      Everybody has a right to protest.

      And by the way, who invented “astroturf” – and I don’t mean the kind they use on football fields.

  • HARP
    • oowawa

      Great link, HARP. Scary mobsters!

  • eleana

    Fascisma governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.” –

    Who qualifies as “fascists” today…

    •A leftist White House with a leftist congress, leftist courts, leftist academia and leftist press, is a “dictator with complete power.” They are now refusing even to meet with constituents opposed to the very agenda they intend to bulldoze down American throats, in a blatant act of dictatorial tyranny.
    •Overt efforts to “forcibly suppress opposition and criticism,” by labeling all honest dissenters “racists” and/or “fascists,” viciously attacking all voices of dissent, even threatening dissenters with charges of “domestic terrorism.”
    •Who has spent its first six months in power “regimenting all industry and commerce?” Banking, auto manufacturing, energy and health…
    •Who’s central message on all of it, ”emphasizing an aggressive nationalism,” from nationalized medicine to federally owned and mandated auto manufacturing, control of private energy use, nationalized banking and even nationalized codes on individual conduct and thought patterns?
    •And hasn’t the left built all of its power on their perfected art of “racial divisions?”
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13409

    Speaking of “domestic terrorism” the National Guard is advertising on Monster.com and other sites Looking for an Internment/Resettlement Camp Specialist. Where? Why? When?http://earthhopenetwork.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=2948

  • Ginger

    when they have just laid an egg…

    It’s really a giant-size turd.

  • Patience

    Great article Ani.

    Why is our government employing union goons as enforcers? Why is our POTUS asking people to snitch on those who dissent from his agenda?

    It’s beyond ironic and disgusting that they’re projecting THEIR OWN fascism onto average citizens, calling us Nazis and Brown Shirts, and telling us to shut up. Their obtuseness is getting downright dangerous.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I’ve been saying for awhile that once The Obamessiah started hitting the low 50′s in approval that the race card would be openly played.

    • http://! stodgie

      actually i heard from an independent research firm it was actually in the low 40s.

  • Ani

    Normally, I would not quote Jonah Goldberg, but this is too funny not to repeat — he really makes a great point here in re Pelosi’s incendiary comments above…

    “…not only is she suggesting that American citizens are Nazis for having the effrontery to get in the way of Obamacare, but she’s also saying that the alleged swastikas are obvious proof that these protests are manufactured by slick P.R. gurus.

    How does that work? What public-relations genius says: “Okay, we need these protests to seem like an authentic backlash of real Americans. Make sure everyone has enough Nazi paraphernalia!””

    Yup, makes lots’ o’ sense, Madame Speaker.

  • Carmen

    What Nancy FAILS to say is that there was a man with a sign with a swastica on it and a LINE through it as to say NO to nazi tactics of Obama.

    That is what she is using for an excuse!

    The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, or is it just the President of the people who support him, is sending in Union Thugs, and ACORN, and SEIU members to STOP AND INTIMIDATE the People from exercising their God given DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS!

    This man should be REMOVED FROM OFFICE immediatly! He is not a proper representative of this country or it’s people.

    He has proven with his remarks about Gates, and others that he thinks that the President should use is position to GO AFTER private citizens and use their Chicago Mafia Tactics to assert control. What does he want the unions to do? Will their members be armed? Is this Tienamen Square? Is this Kent State? Is this Waco? Is this Ruby Ridge?

    Why does the president who is by oath to protect and defend the constitution intent on shutting down free speech?

    There had been no violence, or anyone laying hands on anyone else UNTIL OBAMA’S THUGS SHOWED UP!

    Now a vendor just trying to sell flags and buttons in Florida is hospitalized from the beating a UNION THUG GAVE HIM!

    This needs to come back to rest DIRECTLY at Obama’s feet, and he should have to explain to the American people just what the Hell he thinks he is doing!

    ——————————————————————————–
    “A government big enough to give you anything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” –Thomas Jefferson

    • Scout

      “The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, or is it just the President of the people who support him, is sending in Union Thugs, and ACORN, and SEIU members to STOP AND INTIMIDATE the People from exercising their God given DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS!”

      Well, hey, it worked during the primary…

      • NoBamaNoWay

        yep, it sure did, and who’s going to stop them now?

  • WMCB

    PLEASE MAKE THIS VIDEO GO VIRAL

    This one is really bad. This is the AA conservative man in St. Louis who ended up at the ER. He was accosted on the street by SEIU thugs, who yelled racial epithets at him. Those there say the thugs admitted they were from CHICAGO.

    Listen carefully. At about the one minute point, a bystander who ran to help yelled at the thugs: “You attacked that guy!”

    SEIU thug replies: “He attacked America!” WTF??? Guy is handing out flyers, and that is attacking America??

    F*ck this. This needs to go viral. This is f*cking brownshirt stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9

    • candymarl

      I followed the link. The video is now not on You Tube. Removed for multimedia ID. Huh.

    • Mary

      Those SEIU thugs admitted they weren’t constituents, but were from Chicago.

      BUSSED IN THUGS FOR OBAMACARE.

    • Carmen

      They already got rid of your video. Please give us another link.

      • imustprotest

        mcnorman has the video up on her blog and last I checked it still worked:

        http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/

        • pm317

          here it is:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w

          Wow, those SEIU guys are thugs. What have these democrats unleashed.

          • Portia Elizabeth

            Did you notice that youtube has frozen the count number? I guess they don’t want people to think anyone is watching.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Truely sad.

      • WMCB

        At 1:00, the union thug clearly says of the peaceful conservative black man they had down on the ground kicking at him:

        “He attacked America….. so we attacked him”

        From the thug’s own mouth.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w

    • Karma

      A real President wouldn’t instigate this type of behavior but try and calm it down immediately.

      “Get in their faces….”

      I blame Obama and his tactics for this man being attacked. There is no excuse for sending union members to bully citizens exercising their free speech rights. Calling up the email list for a political fight.

      Or sending politicians out with the message from Deputy Chief of Staff Messina that “If you get hit, we’ll punch back twice as hard.” should there be any targeted ads against them.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080603869.html?hpid=moreheadlines

      No wonder they are treating their constituents so poorly. The Obama team has promised support if they play this down the party line and not as a representative to their district.

      Hmmmmm…it makes you wonder if he should sue Obama for being attacked? Paula Jones of the 21st Century….it probably wouldn’t make it to a trial but it would be interesting.

      • Karma

        should be…

        Calling up the email list for a ‘literal’ political fight.

      • TeakWoodKite

        “When they bring knives we bring guns”.

        BO Industries Inc.

        We can see where this is going.

        • oowawa

          Yes. When they bring spoons, we will bring forks. If they bring laundry, we will bring milking stools. If they bring putrescence, we will bring astigmatism. It’s meaningless posturing designed to keep citizens at each others throats and forestall honest discussion.

          • lorac

            Yes, and if we had a true “leader”, he would be getting out in front of this, and reminding all of what American is – people allowed to express differing opinions peacefully. He should be letting his followers know that this is a representational democracy, not a dictatorship, that thug tactics are not American, and that everyone gets to be in the conversation.

            But apparently in this “new America”, the only diversity that matters is ethnicity.

            This is so un-American, and he is so not a leader.

        • Karma

          Ewww…..I forgot about that gem.

          Thanks for the reminder and I agree. It is very clear where this is going.

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        looks like he is bringing a gun to a knife fight again.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      Obama IS America, don’t you know?

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    NAH. Nancy needs to skip the apology and just resign.

    Go back to your multi-million dollar vineyard, Nancy.

  • Ginger

    Getting this bill passed is the only way they are going to get the national database of everyone’s health and records.

    Not very long ago, a bill was passed to take newborn’s DNA for a database that was signed into law.

    It is all too weird and creepy.

    This country is still our country. People like Ms. Piggy need to know that she works for us. Not the other way ’round.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Great article, Ani.

    This is so sad. I think things are just going to spiral downwards. This administration is not interested in representing the people–they want to represent themselves only. They have no respect for the citizens. Truly sad.

    It will be increasingly difficult to keep things peaceful with paid agitators out there. Maybe letter writing campaigns are good way to let reps know they will not be reelected if (when) they don’t listen.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Yes. Things are going to go downhill fast for Obama and all his collaborators. Faster than I thought.

      It’s a shame that so many people are going to continue to suffer during the chaos. No jobs, no homes, no health care, no food, no hope.

      Watch for more domestic violence and more random gun attacks. The people can’t take it any longer.

      Keep up the good fight. Our people deserve better.

  • Cindy

    Ani–You are so right. Thanks for the post!

  • JayD

    Obama and Co. are in the manufacturing business; they always have been. They do not know how to see opposition as anything other than what they have always done: manufacture nonsense.

    In October of 2008 Lynette Long’s

    Obama the Brand vs. Obama the Man – a Democrat Says It Ain’t Pretty

    was published in

    Family Security Matters.

    It clearly addresses a manufactured Obama. http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1515/pub_detail.asp It was true during the campaign and it it certainly true now. I miss hearing Lynette’s wise observations.

    This past May 7th Reverend Amy wrote a marvelous article,

    Obama As Brand

    , on No Quarter discussing this same topic but this time referencing Chris Hedges. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/07/obama-as-a-brand/

    We need to keep in mind where the Administration’s head is at. They are all about BS so everything they see as opposition is going to be flagged as BS by them. They are too often in the BS business themselves so how can they see anything as real?

    • jbjd

      Thank you so much for re-posting these links, together.

  • samb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WO4UMMpJTk

    Hillary Clinton a true lady.

    Nancy can’t shine Hillary’s shoe.

  • helenk

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/obamas-unclean-house-obamas-uncle-taking-gifts-money-and-trips-from-sheikh.html

    This is from a right wing site but it does raise questions.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALIEST AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • James Johnson

    Pelosi was right. Listen to the entirety of her comments.
    and look at this link.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/07/pelosi-swastikas/

    Why won’t anybody just debate the issues honestly anymore?

    • candymarl

      But their not debating the issues. They’re calling people Nazis and Brown shirts. People want answers. I’ve been dealing with the government for over 30 years. You have no idea.

      • candymarl

        That they’re not their.

    • WMCB

      Pelosi deliberately implied that the people at the protests WERE neo-nazis. She deliberately played on that meme that anyone conservative is somehow a fascist.

      LOOK at those signs. These people were not glorifying nazis, they were CONDEMNING a fascist state. And the left (including myself) carried the EXACT same type of signs in our anti-Bush and anti-war protests.

      Pelosi is full of shit. I stood up against the all-powerful state and govt abuse when I protested Bush, and I will stand up now as well. Unlike MANY of my fellow-lefties, who have revealed that all their talk of misuse of govt power, and executive uber- presidencies, and chilling dissent, was precisely that – TALK.

      See, I have not changed one whit. I still have my moral center and political principles. Do you?

      • Scout

        I will fight right along with you, WMCB.

        Heck, as ex-protesting Dems, it will remind of the old protest days, right?

        • WMCB

          Yep! It turns my stomach to hear so many who were so passionate about restraining govt from abusing their power under Bush being so SILENT now, or even cheering it on.

          I am a centrist liberal, who believes that centralized govt can indeed be helpful in structuring a society for the common good, but I also have a WIDE libertarian streak that believes we must vigilantly watchdog them, ALWAYS, lest they overstep their bounds and start doing more than what we asked. I want legislation that is clear, I want limits spelled out, I want transparency and caution, even when running with a “good idea”, be it healthcare or protecting us from terrorism.

          And I have a big problem with those who only want to be vigilant watchdogs over “the other team”, but any and all abuses are fine when it’s “my team”.

          • meileen

            I’m with you. And frankly, my lefty friends (I am an admitted lefty) don’t understand why I biotch and moan about Obama being Bush-like, what with faith based initiatives, signing statements, etc. Something that sits in my craw, and they won’t even acknowledge, is that Obama’s campaign spent $765 MILLION to get elected. $765 MILLION in last year’s economy, and they still believe it’s from the people. The poor people who have lost/are losing their homes. Guess those folks can blame the loss of their homes on their addiction to donating to campaigns for ‘change.’

            • Scout

              WMCB and meileen,

              Both of you capture what I think about things. The hypocrisy and worse from the left (which I considered my “political home” for decades) is stunning, dismaying, and despicable.

              I started out stunned, then dismayed, and now I despise what they have done and continue to do.

              It’s worth our intense effort to clean house.

              Yes, we can (the power abusers)!

              • Arabella Trefoil

                I have my mop and broom ready. And I have my Swiffer too.

    • candymarl

      Pelosi is out of touch. What about the man that had to go to the emergency room? No one wearing swastikas attacked him. It was Obama supporters. Apparently disagreeing with Pelosi bothers you more.

      Oh and where is Obama on this? This man was physically injured. Why wasn’t this stupid and racist? The man was called the N-word. Where’s the outrage?

      • Ani

        Good point. Because he is a conservative black man, I guess he does not count in the racial debate. Not a “teachable moment.”

        Is the news even covering this disgraceful attack? And reporting it honestly?

        • HARP

          Not another “beer summit”??

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Here’s the problem. When the democrats are trying to sell the public their product, it is best not to call the customers racists, Nazis, mobs, nutjobs, rightwing idiots, or any of a myriad of slurs.

      It makes for the customer deciding to NEVER shop in the democrat store again.
      That sentiment is being reflected in the polls.

      Then,yesterday, to have Messina announce to democrats that if someone hits their plan they will hit back twice as hard makes for fighting words.

      Reality: The product sucks. The public knows it. The public is not buying it.

    • Portia Elizabeth

      James — why is it that the obots who come here all have names like James and James Johnson and James Guglielmo and Jay and J. Cox and…? Well you can gather my inference. Why is that? Hmmmm?

      • oowawa

        These names allow them to interlock more readily into the vast Oborg complex and makes it easier to move them around:

        “Oborg Command? I need 2 J’s over at No Quarter right away–an infection of birtherism is breaking out . . . “

        • Portia Elizabeth

          LOL!
          That’s probably very close to the truth.

      • jwrjr

        Please. Not everybody here names James is an Obot.

        signed: James Roberts

        • jwrjr

          named, not names (sigh)

        • oowawa

          Maybe you can be an undercover agent and infiltrate the Oborg . . .

    • Animal Control

      Why won’t anybody just debate the issues honestly anymore?

      Let me ponder that while I scrath an itch (using the Obama method), while putting lipstick on a pig.

      Is this what is meant by debating the issues honestly or am I being a racist?

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Have you read the legislation? I’m working my way through it, and there’s a lot in that needs discussion.

      We have the right to ask questions. We have the right to protest a rush to judgement.

    • Ferd Berfle

      You call her comments an honest debate of the issues? She is incapable of honest debate simply because she isn’t honest. The current DNC is entirely the same. You can slice bullshit as thin as paper but it is still bullshit in its essence and just as malodorous.

  • helenk

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/41_view_town_hall_protesters_favorably_35_don_t

    Nancy you lose.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Carmen

    Here are some famous quotes from our presidents in the last century:

    Teddy Roosevelt
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    William Taft
    “Next to the right of liberty, the right of property is the most important individual right guaranteed by the Constitution . .”

    Calvin Coolidge
    “The business of America is business.”

    Herbert Hoover
    “Absolute freedom of the press to discuss public questions is a foundation stone of American liberty.”

    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

    Harry S. Truman
    “We need not fear the expression of ideas—we do need to fear their suppression.”

    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    “America is best described by one word, freedom.”

    John F. Kennedy
    “And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”

    AND NOW OUR MARXIST IN CHIEF WITH HIS WISE STATEMENT:

    OBAMA: ‘I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess’

    • Portia Elizabeth

      OBAMA: ‘I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess’

      Ah, such eloquence! Such rhetorical superiority! Inspiring! The most brilliant speaker in history! Dare I say it?

      Total bull****.

      • Ani

        Did you watch the video on Breitbart of him saying this. His shockingly casual demeanor — you’d think he was at acollege frat party.

        We are really in dire straits in this country right now and he is carrying on as if this is all a game. He keeps saying “I am the President.” But I am not at all sure it has actually sunk in.

        Bush used to smile inappropriately too and was excoriated for it. Obama is even more casual — it goes back to the Steve Kroft 60 minutes interview when Obama was laughing at the state of our economy and Kroft asked if he “punch drunk.”

        • Scout

          He thinks he’s at a college frat party, most likely.

        • Portia Elizabeth

          Ani– I’m so grateful you posted this essay because it’s what I needed to get motivated again. It’s been so dispiriting to watch our country being hijacked by its own President. Too often I’m so stunned by the outrageousness that I’can’t even process the threat. I’m so glad to see signs that people are finally gathering their courage and speaking up.

    • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

      OBAMA: ‘I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess’

      A shame he doesn’t realize that he is one of the folks that created this mess and take his own advice.

      • oowawa

        I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess

        As if Thee One has ever cleaned up a mess in his life. He’s acting like He’s Hercules come to clean up the Augean Stables, but all He’s done is pile the crap deeper. Way deeper. Get a shovel dude, and don’t try to hide the BS under a big bunch of IOU’s and 1,000 page bills that nobody understands. You aren’t going to clean up this mess with fancy rhetoric written by a fratboy, filtered through a teleprompter. We’re getting out of the way, now clean it up!

  • helenk

    WAY OT

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/breaking-martinez-resigning-early/

    What happens now in Fla and the Senate?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • required reading

      Governor Charlie Crist (Republican) will now appoint a replacement for Martinez. Twist: Crist himself earlier announced plans to run for the seat….

    • Portia Elizabeth

      What did Martinez do? Is he being blackmailed by Dems? I wish these Repubs would just behave long enough to keep their seats in the Senate.

  • tead off

    I called my state’s Democratic Party to ask them to lower the volume by recalling their thugs and they said to me THE REPUBLICANS STARTED THIS FIRST. I was so furious. I asked her if she couldn’t understand that people were going to get hurt–she hung up on me.

    • Cindy

      You meet the NICEST people at a Democratic office, don’t you? :) They just make you feel so warm and fuzzy inside……..and by “warm and fuzzy” I mean projectile vomitting!
      They are toast, and I’m on a low carb diet. I am SO over the Democrats!!!!!

    • Portia Elizabeth

      tead off — that’s stunning. I think you should report that person to the national Dem. office.

      • Scout

        Do you really think that will do any good? They ignored all complaints about caucus fraud and abuse, after all.

        I’m done reporting things to so-called Dem leaders who range from irresponsible to corrupt.

        We need to clean house, top to bottom.

        • Portia Elizabeth

          Scout– you’re right. I don’t know what I was thinking. Isn’t that sad that it’s come to the point where the people’s party doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the people?

          • Scout

            It’s more than sad. It’s despicable.

    • Animal Control

      THE REPUBLICANS STARTED THIS FIRST

      Did not, Did too, you said it first, no you did, did not, dod too. etc and on and on.

      Sound more like schoolyard children.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        But thats how Obama gets out of his messes. Obama points his fingers at other.
        I have a feeling that in Obama’s big campaign speechs in 2012 he will be stll saying Bush did it Bush did it.

        • Arabella Trefoil

          I just knew that Obama was a two year old, both mentally and emotionally.

  • pm317

    People get mad when you question them for one of two reasons. Either they don’t have the answer and don’t want be made to look bad, or they know they are trying to pull a fast one and don’t want you to get a peek behind the curtain. Which is it?

    Right on the money. I want to know WHY they can’t coherently explain the bill.

  • tzada

    President Obama, Where Are Those C-SPAN Cameras?

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/07/president-obama-where-are-those-c-span-cameras/

    I wonder if the tide is turning? Do I believe that Noonan and HuffyPo are on the side of Patriots? Noooo

    In my opinion, there may be a real dozzy coming down the pike that will be enough to force current white house resident to resign. I do not think it will come from the right wing or Republicans. It may appear to be, but it will come from the person(s)behind the curtain. Obama may have become to big a liability, with his falling polls.

    Joe Biden is good friends with Daley and the Chicago Political Machine. Just sayin….

  • helenk

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_favorability_ratings

    This poll is from July 28 th. I guess more people dislike her now.

    Nancy go home

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • jbjd

      Yes, but, today BO is only down by 4 (four) in the extreme categories, ‘up’ from minus 12 (twelve) just a week ago.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        But he’s been in the negative numbers for 34-35 consecutive days with a couple of isolated negative number days that would bump the total up another 2 or 3.

        He’s basically flat-lining in the somewhat approve/somewhat disapprove category.

        RCP has his aggregate hovering around 53% -worse than Bush comparatively.

        • jbjd

          Thank you.

  • I’m a Linda too

    These Democrats are just amazing me. Pelosi is 2nd Lead HObmanizer, but all the others, ones I didn’t expect, have jumped on the HObamaizing train, trying to demean, intimidate and get down right nasty.

    Maybe we need a reminder that we predicted, HObama would bring this level of meanness, trickling down from the top.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/7355449@N04/2896350440/

  • I’m a Linda too

    uh oh, why am I stuck in the spam filter for this?

    These Democrats are just amazing me. Pelosi is 2nd Lead HObmanizer, but all the others, ones I didn’t expect, have jumped on the HObamaizing train, trying to demean, intimidate and get down right nasty.

    Maybe we need a reminder that we predicted, HObama would bring this level of meanness, trickling down from the top.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/7355449@N04/2896350440/

    • Ani

      Freedom!
      :)

      • tzada

        Great email from an Atlas Shrugs regular:

        I left Zimbabwe and came here on my own as a teenager, joined the military and have had a wonderful life.

        Rhodesia was my country of birth, and I witnessed first hand the revolting lies the media threw to the world as black and white Rhodesians fought together against communist terrorists who were supported by Carter and Kissinger.

        The end result was the destruction of a well run and productive capitalist country into the hell hole called Zimbabwe and Carter handed Mugabe the keys.

        So I’ll be damned if I stand by and watch these left wing thugs try to dismantle my country of choice.

  • I’m a Linda too

    ***I’m stuck in the spam filter***
    Please free me!!! Thanking you in advance for your good heart. :)

  • http://! stodgie

    the good news is this is a perfect storm of incompetence by dims to make sure they won’t hold power again for a generation.

    • Pennsylvania Caucasian (but not exactly White-Y)

      They’re fighting on too many fronts.

      Soon they will turn on each other.

  • Northlander

    What bothers me every time I see this clip is how the reporter just stands there and acts like a stenographer. Where is the logical follow-up question to Speaker Pelosi, “Where’s your proof that protesters are carrying swastikas?”

    No one in the MSM dared to question this idiot on her charge. No one in the media dared to call out supposed journalist Linda Douglass at the White House asking people to report citizens who dared to disagree with the Admin, a tactic that Joseph Goebbels would envy.

    This is why I will not shed any tears when the MSM slips into irrelevance and ultimate bankruptcy.

  • Margaret

    What is this, Iran? Are we going to have to go out on our rooftops at night to shout “God Save America?”. I’m frightened of the impact of these intimidation tactics, but I hope that, like Iranians, Americans will stand strong. We have never shied away from fighting for our country. We now need that courage more than ever, because a fight against someone nefarious who has managed to get on the inside is a very, very hard fight.

    • required reading

      “Are we going to have to go out on our rooftops at night to shout “’God Save America?’”

      Problem is: too many people apparently still think that Obama IS God.

    • tzada

      “A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself… for the traitor appears no traitor: He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their faces and their garments, he appeals to the baseless that lies deep in the souls of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is to be less feared.” ~ Cicero

  • ConfusedAmerican

    This is from Moveon.org site. They are raising funds to organize demostrations at town hall meetings.
    Almost 300,000 so far. Looks like the Democrats are in action. Trying to remember when or if I registered for this organizaion. Maybe when I was going to vote for Hillary. https://pol.moveon.org/donate/august.html?rc=homepage

    “All across the country, right-wing extremists are disrupting congressional town hall meetings with venomous attacks on President Obama’s plans for health care and clean energy. If these are the only voices our senators and representatives hear over the recess, we’ll have a hard time passing health care reform and clean energy legislation. We’ve got a plan to fight back. We blew through our first goal of $250,000, so we’ve set a new goal that will let us deploy even more organizers and more technology. Can you donate to support our work? You may also contribute by”

    • NoBamaNoWay

      the protesters are “right wing extremists?” does that make the move.on goons left wing extremists?

  • WMCB

    LMAO! This is a GREAT video. Tell me again who has the “Brooks Brothers” demographic? Love the car shots.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfdZMrHOldI

    • imustprotest

      LOL!!!

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        The best!

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Moveon.org sees to have the need to raise funds(over 300,000 so far) to combat the people at the town hall meetings.
    Looks like that will pay for a lot of bussed in people.

    https://pol.moveon.org/donate/august.html?rc=homepage

    • peaceful

      Looks like we are going to be seeing ACORN again or the people and buses they used before.

      • http://firefox Annie Collier

        They have a big vested interest in this admin…getting millions and millions of dollars for their loyalty to Adolph Obama.

      • tzada

        hell they will probably have free access to those 8 jets that congress voted to spend our $500,000,000 on.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      These people piss me off sooooooo much. Protesting is TOTALLY OK if it’s done by a MoveOn person. But if a moderate, independent, or god forbid a conservative protests? It’s a horrible attack that must be stopped. Unfreakinbelievable!!

      • ConfusedAmerican

        I actually got a long email from them asking for a donation.
        They made the people going to the town hall meetings sound like a bunch of criminals.
        The first thought I has was here comes ACORN again, just different name.

        As for the beating from what I can read the people doing a lot of it were personally let into the meeting and let out. Strange. Also strange that so many were blocked from going in.

        Looks like the reps up for nomination might rethink their stragety.

  • jbjd

    The protagonists were sent by the government (or people acting on the government’s express direction, same difference) points to a civil rights claim, that is, people exercising their 1st Amendment right to assemble and speak were restrained from so doing by the government. Defendants named in such a suit would include all the officials you can think of, both in their professional and personal capacities. But if you expect to see the ACLU coming to the aid of these protesters at any of these sites; or for the US Justice Department to investigate this coordinated effort to deprive a class of citizens across the country their civil rights, don’t hold your breath.

  • QUEENIE

    hey Nancy..was this astroturfing ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4

    Obama- “…I want you to argue with them and get in their face,…”
    Don’t forget this advice from last year, we need to show up to these meetings.

    Obama:”…I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

    Hey nancy..is astroturfing only “good” when your brownshirts are doing it???????

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    it,s time we the people took back our country from those that want to destroy her.

  • Rick

    the woman is evil. She will fall on her own sword or become shish Kabob along with Obama, Reid, Frank, Boxer and all the other arrogant snobs

  • required reading

    Maybe this will help: I’ve heard something today about a Washington “rally for liberty on September 12th — here’s the link:

    http://guest.cvent.com/EVENTS/Info/Summary.aspx?e=5ba072d3-891d-494d-9cfa-3b2c73399c53

  • EWard

    FYI – I called Pelosi’s SF office to protest her Nazi comments. In addition, I said if the health care plan is so great why are Obama, Congress, and others exempt from it and have their own program? The young man answering didn’t have an answer. Pelosi is nuts……………..

  • http://firefox Annie Collier

    I can barely wait for the next election. I despise what the Democrats have become more than I ever thought possible.

    I will be going to my Reps meeting next week. The people here are verrrrrrry mellow and polite so I doubt there’ll be any shouting. There are, however, many who support illegal immigration (Ag owners, the Pebble Beach rich) who would stand to profit from this boondoggle so…nah…they don’t protest. They buy politicians. Efficient.

  • Dawn

    My understanding is that it was 1 guy with a red line through a nazi sign as in stop nazi’s, that she was talking about.
    Shame on her.

  • Naturally

    There’s no doubt about who is organizing and scripting the phony, “grassroots” recess rallies. It’s professional, corporate-funded, Republican-staffed public relations companies. They don’t don’t deny it. They are taking credit for it.

    Check out RecessRally.com. Coalition sponsors include:

    Michelle Malkin (Fox News Channel and O’Reilly Factor right-wing wacko)

    Redstate (right-wing Republican blog)

    American Majority (Bush/Cheney operatives and lobbyists)

    Sam Adams Alliance (Republican party hacks)

    Let Freedom Ring (wealthy evangelical Christian group that backs right-wing Republicans like George W. Bush, Sen. Rick Santorum and Sen. Zell Miller; they paid for TV commercials falsely tying Iraq to 9/11)

    Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (smeared war-hero John Kerry’s war record when he ran against Bush in 2004)

    Americans For Prosperity (run by Art Pope, multimillionaire, far-right Republican activist, and oil-billionaire David Koch, the 19th richest man in the world; they have formerly smeared climate-change science and paid Joe-the-Plumber to tour the country promoting Republican causes. President Tim Phillips formerly ran Century Strategies with Ralph Reed, a company that was involved in the Enron scandal and with convicted con-man Jack Abramoff.

    Patients United Now and Patients First (corporate-funded experts at fake-grassroots campaigns that promote corporate interests; they have been busing people from rally to rally)

    http://www.commondreams.org/video/2009/08/06

    I think half the people on this thread are goons for the insurance oligarchs, and others are just being duped.

    The problem is, if you think of yourselves as working-class Democrats, you should be criticizing Obama from the LEFT — demanding single-payer, universal, not-for-profit health INSURANCE — rather than siding with the insurance oligarchs and their PR professionals who are derailing the discussion so that they can keep getting rich off the American people’s suffering.

    • jbjd

      Barney Frank insisted the reason he will not put single payer up for a vote is that it will not pass. He insists that BO’scare bill will pass and be an interim fix on the way to single payer. Who’s zooming whom?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

      • Scout

        What BS! He is lying. That single payer bill, HR 676 has more cosponsors than are needed to pass it.

        If only the cosponsors voted for it, it’s a done deal.

        They are lying because they are beholden to the insurance companies.

        I have lost all respect for the dems who are trying to ram this through when HR 676 is allowed to languish.

        • Scout

          Oh, I have to amend what I just wrote. 86 votes is not enough for the house.

          However, the Obamacare bill, HR 3200, has 8 cosponsors only.

          Which bill do you think has more support?

    • Ani

      Tell you what, sport, I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t tell me what I “should” be doing. Stop assuming you know what’s best for me when you don’t know my or my family’s situation. It is my experience that elitists think they know what’s best for everyone else (whether they do or not).

      It is also horrid that you see fit to call the people on this thread “goons”. It is precisely this type of behavior that alienated us from voting for Obama in the first place. How insulting.

      How many of his supporters did I speak to in the last year and a half who were either wrong on the issues, or didn’t even know what they were. He has made deals behind closed doors with insurance companies himself — they were the people in the White House he was negotiating with and the WH refused to release their names until they were threatened with a law suit by a left wing group.

      Let us stop pretending that this President gives a hoot in hell about our insurance benefits. After his bailout of wall st, and car companies I do not trust him. He’s going to have to prove it and so is Congress. Telling everyone to shut up and sit down is not the way to go.

      There are Democrats who are questioning these policies as well — whether you believe it or not. Furthermore, rank and file citizens, regardless of party have a right to have their questions answered. They deserve better than rude doubletalk.

      • Karma

        Obama’s insurance companies are like Cheney closed door energy meeting that had maps of Iraqi oil fields to chat over. Does anyone believe that Iraq has been serviced well by those close door meetings?

        But suddenly closed door meetings with insurance companies is supposed to work out well for the American people.

        Like you said, I have seen their track record with the bailouts and car companies and don’t trust them either.

      • Naturally

        Hey, sport, you wrote the article telling us all what to think. And, I didn’t appreciate that. Do you think you have the right to express your opinions, but I don’t?

        You chose to call the people you disagree with elitist, bullies and insulting. But, you claim offense by my use of goon? Please.

        Since you claim to be a Democrat of 30 years, why don’t you explain why you are spouting the talking points of some of the most despicable right-wing, Republican groups in U.S. politics?

        Why don’t you respond to the facts I detailed as to exactly who has been orchestrating these recess rallies, rather than changing the subject?

        Rude? What could be more rude than attending a public meeting and then disrupting and sabotaging it with threatening behavior and shouting? Polite people wait their turn and then make their points with courtesy. But, that’s not what these belligerent recess-rally bullies are doing. They’re acting like . . . . well, like insurance-industry goons and militant Republicans. In other words, just like the people who sent them.

        And don’t confuse me with an Obama supporter. I think he’s a Republican in Democrat’s clothing.

        I’m for single-payer, universal, not-for-profit health INSURANCE. If you oppose it, why don’t you say so directly?

        • Ani

          Well then you and I may be in agreement on something. Frankly I always thought he was a Republican in Democrat’s clothing too, which is why I didn’t support him. Now I don’t know what the heck to think about what he is doing.

          I do not consider that I have spouted any Republican talking points to say that Nancy Pelosi should not intimate that people who don’t like this health plan wear swastikas. What is Republican about that. I explained clearly why that offends me. Someone — one person — showed up at a rally with a line through such a symbol — in protest. I do not defend it, but that is not a plurality of people. That is one person.

          For anyone to pretend that there are not genuine protesters of all parties out there is inaccurate.

          I am telling you what I think. I am not telling you what to think in my post. I am reacting to Pelosi and to this administration’s actions. You are obviously free to respond however you wish, and you have. I have no power to tell anyone what to think.

          Most of the people on this blog were and are ardent Hillary supporters. Not right wing extremists. I don’t trust Obama’s plans. I don’t trust the people slamming us on the head to get this rush job through. Furthermore, the far left is rude as all hell when protesting so please don’t pretend that this is the first time anyone has held a protest and been obnoxious about it. That is not true.

          • Ani

            correction — that was one of the reasons I didn’t support him – his dissembling nature — there were and are many others.

          • Naturally

            Are you for single-payer or not?

            Since you didn’t answer the question, I’m guessing you are not for it. That would certainly explain all of your “concerns,” misinterpretations and Republican talking points . . . which you say are not Republican talking points.

            Will you give a direct, unambiguous answer to the question?

        • Portia Elizabeth

          Yesterday our senator, Jean Shaheen (D-NH),held a teleconference town hall meeting to discuss healthcare. There were reportedly >15,000 people on the call, including me. It lasted more than an hour. The most frequently asked questions concerned Medicare and single-payer coverage. Sen. Shaheen said that since no bill had yet been through the Senate, the possibility still existed for single-payer. Now I’m wondering if she was simply placating her constituents or if there’s more to it than has been reported.

          BTW a teleconference was a clever way to circumvent an “angry mob”; however, it was obvious the majority of those asking questions were not happy with Obamacare.

        • JRD

          You are for socialism. Single payer means socialism. Move. America is capitalist. There are plenty of other socialist countries.

          I have plenty of friends in England. The reports of filthy hospitals are a fact known by everyone. The wait is pathetic to be treated. There are 2 successful drugs for breast cancer which they will not allow because they are too expensive.
          Last year my husband got cancer. We went to John`s Hopkins ASAP. The number of people there from England was OVERWHELMING. The next highest were from Canada.
          Read this. A doctor from Canada wrote it.

          http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

          This bill is not about health care. It is about power and control. A true health care bill would start out with torte reform. Because of lawyers, insurance companies make money on both ends. Doctors have to come up with 200 grand insurance just to open shop because of slimy ambulance chasers. Go picket the ACLU dirtbag.
          Most of the uninsured are illegals or young people who are throwing the dice because they don`t want to pay for health care.
          Being a citizen of the US does not entitle to the right of health care.
          Go find another nanny state to live in. We Americans love freedom not government control.

          The middle class are tired of being enablers. You need a 12 step program to get off the government`s tit. See ya!

        • Ferd Berfle

          I’m for single-payer, universal, not-for-profit health INSURANCE.

          That isn’t what is being offered, illiterate one. Why don’t you shut up and read the pice of shit bill?

    • Karma

      Psst…Obama literally toss single payer from the room.

      You think the people here don’t know it?

      http://www.healthcare-now.org/video-of-disruption-by-single-payer-advocates-at-senate-roundatable-on-health-reform/

      I am not on any of those email lists and the health care bill is a bunch of junk in my opinion. It doesn’t cut costs by the CBO’s own estimates which is the problem that needs to be solved before this bloated bill goes into Congress. This isn’t a fix.

      Can you finally wrap your brain around that?

    • WMCB

      Good Lord. Almost every damn anti-war rally I ever attended was promoted and organized by groups like MoveOn, DailyKos, etc. Do you KNOW how many “outside organizing” email lists I was on over the Bush years? TONS.

      Does that mean I was a “fake”, and my anger wasn’t real? Were my objections to his policies “manufactured”? Was everyone who attended Bush protests just a “dupe” of the evil billionaire George Soros? No. Whether you agree with these people or not, calling them fakes and goons is just ridiculously stupid. They aren’t. Any more than WE were at all of our protests.

      This bullshit of “community and internet organizing when we do it is pure and holy and grassroots, but when they do it it’s fake and nefarious” is a huge crock, and I’m sick of it. Everyone who disagrees with you or me is not evil, or crazy, or stupid, or duped.

      • Naturally

        That’s not what I said, and it’s not what Rachel Maddow said.

        See: http://www.commondreams.org/video/2009/08/06

        You’ve set up a straw-man, so you can knock it down.

        Click the link below to see an example of a fake mob, made up of Republican operatives who were flown in from around the country to pose as angry Florida voters. The strategy was successful, as we know, and many of the people in the photograph were rewarded with plum jobs in the Bush administration. Some of these same people now work for Koch Industries, the $100 billion/year privately-owned oil company that lavishly funds right-wing causes. This includes Americans For Prosperity, Patients United Now and Patients First . . . the very groups who are orchestrating and scripting the recess-rally, astroturf demonstrations right now.

        http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blfloridagopmob.htm

        Eventually, we will see similar photographs of the recess-rallies with identifications of the participants as Republican operatives and insurance-industry employees and contractors . . . that is, “goons.”

        You say you’ve attended anti-war rallies organized by anti-war groups, and there’s no difference between those grassroots organizations/events and the the astroturf organizations/events funded by corporations and others with vested (financial) interests in the national polices being shaped.

        But, there are differences. Were you being paid a salary by one of the sponsoring groups while you were protesting? Were you rewarded with a job or contract afterwards? Was anyone in your immediate family so paid, or rewarded? Did you have any vested interest in ending war? In other words, did your personal greed motivate you to attend, and did you conceal that motivation and pretend otherwise while you were protesting? Did the organizing groups tell you what to say. Did they give you talking points? Did they tell you to disrupt and shut down public meetings? Did they allude to killing political leaders with whom they disagreed by comparing them to historical tyrants and dictators? Did they lie to you, and exploit your ignorance on the subject?

        These are some of the differences between astroturf, corporate-PR events, and real, grassroots protests.

        There are basically two kinds of astroturf people. Those who are complicit (the goons), and those who are misinformed (the dupes).

        Certainly both types have been attending the astroturf recess-rallies. We repeatedly hear duped, elderly people on Medicare telling their congress people to “keep the government’s hands off of Medicare.” We repeatedly hear them repeating the fear-mongering lies they’ve been told by the astroturf organizers that government now wants to euthanize the elderly, that for-profit health insurance can’t be reformed or eliminated without rationing of health care, and that it’s the same thing the Nazis did in Germany. Despicable lies and scare tactics.

        I’ll say it again. I’m for single-payer, universal, not-for-profit health INSURANCE. Public health insurance. Just like public roads and highways, public libraries, public schools, public water (tap water), public sanitation (sewage treatment), and other public programs like Social Security, Medicare and the VA. I’m NOT for a public-option duct taped to the current for-profit health insurance system, which is fatally-flawed and guaranteed to fail.

        Speaker Pelosi (who is far from my favorite politician) has pledged to let single-payer come to the House floor to be debated and voted on, later this year. Right now, we should all be contacting our congress people, and attending their recess events, and demanding single-payer. Instead, we are allowing the insurance-industry goons/dupes and Republican operatives to disrupt these very events with their astroturf PR, and prevent public discussion of single-payer.

        That’s what’s happening. I want single-payer. Do you?

        • Frikken’s Lunch Box

          To answer your question in one word, No. Any system managed by the government or on behalf of the government will end up being a bureaucratic tangle of red-tape and poor service similar to what you currently find in the VA system. It will not reward efficiency, innovation, good customer service or any other good quality the current free-market system provides, because it is what it is and will provide the bare-bones minimum in care and service for a cost that will have no natural free-market caps or restrictions.

          Are you currently covered by a commercial health insurance plan, Medicare, Medicare, on Tricare or use the VA?

          • Naturally

            I guess you don’t think much of our freeways, public streets, public airports, public libraries, public schools and land grant universities, public drinking water and public sanitation systems. Not to mention the space program, military, and police and fire departments.

            All are “systems managed by the government,” so therefor they must be a “tangle of red tape.” Funny, I don’t notice the red tape on the freeway.

            You’ve summarized Republican, de-regulation, starve-government-till-it’s small-enough-to drown-in-a-bathtub doctrine very well. It’s the voodoo economics that Reagan/Bush/Bush sold us. It created the Enrons, the Bernie Madoffs, the Countrywide Financials, the E. coli tainted food, and the massive national debt we now face.

            “Government bad, private enterprise good.” Easy to dupe low-information people with, but a proven loser. It doesn’t work, and it isn’t true.

            • Donna Brazile

              Nurtureneeded:

              Don’t worry there’s still time for you to become a “high-information” person.

              Stop the regurgitating That One talking pointsn fest:-0

            • Frikken’s Lunch Box

              In response – I prepared a rebuttal to your points above, point by point, however, I think I can summarize…we are not talking about Roads, Schools, or Airports etc, where bureaucracy can create serious long term irreversible damage. We are talking about personal healthcare where red tape, advisory boards and government intervention dictates whose life is more valuable and therefore worth prolonging. Again, what type of health insurance do you currently have?

              • Naturally

                Whoa! Yet another right-wing Republican talking point! Now you claim that taking the profits out of health insurance means the “government” will be euthanizing seniors.
                That’s a lie, plain and simple.

                Interesting too, that you claim public roads, schools and airports “create serious long term irreversible damage.”

                Thanks for revealing that you are a Republican! Hope you will now stop using all the public resources that you so despise.

                • Frikken’s Lunch Box

                  Naturally, what I said was that we were not talking about situations (i.e. Public Roads, Airports,) where government intervention could cause long-term irreversible negative effects.

                  Quit the crap with the “Republican Talking Points”. We you are talking about the parts of the bill that call for “Advisory Boards” to that will be reviewing health care status and options with people over 65. It is NOT a lie, it is in the frikken bill. READ IT! You may not care if some board of government employees is deciding if you should take the blue pill or the red pill or if you could manage on painkillers instead of the hip-replacement, but I do! By the way, what kind of health insurance do YOU HAVE?

                  • Katmoon

                    Yes it is in the bill, Frikken is correct

                    see:

                    Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 4-12 – Government mandates Advance (Death) Care Planning consultation. Think Senior Citizens and end of life

                    Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 17-19 – Government WILL instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory end-of-life planning!
                    • Sec. 1233, Pg. 425-426, Lines 22-25, 1-3 – Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
                    • Sec. 1233, Pg. 427, Lines 15-24 – Government mandates program for orders for life-sustaining treatment (i.e. end of life).

                  • Naturally

                    It’s a lie, AND a Republican talking point. Not to mention absurd.

                    • Katmoon

                      Considering I posted it, just to inform you, I am an Ex-democrat, and I am not generating anyone’s talking points. This stuff is in the bill, do you know where to find it, what it is called? Have you read any of it.

                      Further, end of life issues are a sticky matter for a doctor, expecially if there is mandated discussion, it cannot be done along of the lines of legal advising, it can only be a sharing of medical options; who is dictating the options? Are they options if they are a government mandate? Stop, for just a moment, and think about this.

                      It is no lie, it is fact, and there are many, many, non-republican resources(such as the bill itself), if you would only read.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      You obviously were one of those left behind and apparently reading is not one of your strong suits. You might try posting over at HuffnPuffPo where illiteracy is not frowned upon.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  You actually haven’t read the bill have you, bot? Didn’t think so. Your opinion is as useless as those of the literally hundreds of bots who have come before you.

                  Read before you post, troll.

        • fif

          Did you miss the thousands of documented cases of people being bussed into Obama rallies and caucus sites, stealing packets, bullying Clinton voters and manipulating delegate counts? Now, it’s not so pleasant huh? Oh, the outrage! Disgusting, shocking, horrible!

          Yea, that’s what we said last year too.

  • jbjd

    This question is posted on the web site of my Representative, Barney Frank, under Frequently Asked Questions.

    Why isn’t Congressman Frank holding town halls to discuss health care during August?

    Congressman Frank has scheduled many meetings with individual constituents and with local organizations throughout the month of August. Members of his staff also take phone calls from constituents and they faithfully convey people’s views to the Congressman.

    Congressman Frank wants to know specifically how the health care system affects individuals and small businesses, so he feels that one-on-one and small group meetings are most effective. If you would like to meet with Congressman Frank, you may submit a request online.
    http://www.house.gov/frank/faq/town-halls.html

  • cathnealon

    BO has of course used the ‘Bush made the mess’ card again–as soon as he’s in trouble,it’s play the blame game. Now he wants ‘to clean up the mess.” Uh, by tripling the national debt in 6 months?? By sending in his thugs to beat up older people because they don’t want to be given their doses of morphine while the doctor tells them ‘sorry, you can’t have that pacemaker, you’re too damn old.’ Or, calling a whole city police force ‘stupid’? Or by telling the Dems to ‘punch back twice as hard?’ By apologizing to Europe whom we saved in WW II saying that we are “arrogant, divisive and derisive.”? By schmoozing and bowing to dictators and kings? Oh yeah he’s cleaning things up allright. See you in DC 9/12/

  • CG

    Thanks Ani, NP should apologize.

    but I am shocked by the compensation of the insurance executives http://sickforprofit.com/ceos/ who according to Business Week have already won http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_33/b4143034820260.htm.

    on an island by myself, still behind Hillary’s health care ideas in the primaries, I see that even her’s would be as unpopular as Obama’s in this economic climate, even with her skills and even though she would have handled it so much more differently than Obama…

    and since all is depressing why not play Choose How American Will End http://sdn.slate.com/features/endofamerica/default.htm choose your own apocalypse for America… I chose five disasters which will doom America and the analysis is that I am a ‘humanitarian internationalist,’ ha, ha.

  • dormantdem

    The AA man who was assaulted in Missouri was interviewed on Your World with Neil Cavuto today
    http://tinyurl.com/njpt9k….

    and as I was typing this… he will be on the O’Reilly Factor tonight. (still can’t believe I watch Fox News.)

    scary stuff, and here I thought the 2008 primaries were behind us!

  • dormantdem

    sorry about the link not working, here it is again!
    http://tinyurl.com/njpt9k

  • Balls

    A bunch of thugs who cannot debate the facts, but would rather stop others from discussion. Not very democratic or freedom loving. By the way I bet half of them are on medicare or will be. It is not so much about protesting healthcare reform, as these people don’t have a clue of the facts, but more like just a hatred of Obama and the Democrats. Just like NQ.

    And yes a lot of this is “astroturf”. A bunch of plants from the corporate healthcare lobbyists or the same people who are the “birthers”.

    As Krugman says today:

    “They may believe some of the disinformation opponents of health care reform are spreading, like the claim that the Obama plan will lead to euthanasia for the elderly. (That particular claim is coming straight from House Republican leaders.) But they’re probably reacting less to what Mr. Obama is doing, or even to what they’ve heard about what he’s doing, than to who he is.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/opinion/07krugman.html

    and as Joan Walsh says:

    “The “town hells,” in short, don’t represent populism, they’re a display of hysteria fed by lies peddled by GOP leaders and corporate interests. And it’s getting worse.”

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/08/07/brownshirts/

    • Ani

      And you do not consider it thuggish for Nancy Pelosi to intimate that these people are all showing up wearing swastikas? There are people who are actually worried about the state of health care under this new (not well thought out) proposal.

      Here are the signals that something may be amiss that a reasonable person regardless of party might have concerns about:

      1. Congress is not willing to sign on to the same plan they wish to stick other Americans with.

      2. Deals with Insurance companies and the WH behind closed doors.

      3. 1,000+ pages no one can yet explain properly, nor have many in Congress read it.

      4. The VA wishes to be exempt from it. And their health care ain’t great to begin with.

      5. People wonder how they will have the same access to health care when you have the same number of doctors but you are adding many millions to the rolls.

      6. Where is the insurance reform?

      These are just a few concerns. Forgive me, but these don’t sound hysterical or like right wing talking points. If people are angry out there, and behaving disrespectfully, perhaps they feel they have likewise been disrespected by an administration that has spent the last 7 months throwing good money after bad, bailing out Wall St. and car companies.

      As another NQ article pointed out, the cash for clunkers program was originally funded with $1 billion that the gov’t thought would last months, not 4 days. Biden already admitted they got the stimulus wrong (before they took him to the woodshed).

      This brings me to the most important point:

      7. Why would anyone, regardless of party, trust these people to reform 1/6 of the economy vis a vis health care? Why wouldn’t they be afraid and angry?

      • Balls
        • Ani

          Daily Kos — no partisanship there.

          • Balls

            It does not matter where the picture came from. It is what is in the picture that counts.

            • WMCB
              • eileen

                I think I know WMCB. It’s different because the people in your photo are smiling. Yeah, that’s it. Instruct all to smile when they wave their swastika signs. Then all will be right with the world, or at least with ‘balls.’

            • WMCB

              Still waiting for that answer, Balls.

            • WMCB

              Balls? Helloooo? Balls? You there?

              I guess when Dear Leader told you to go “argue with them and get in their faces”, he neglected to warn you that some of us have a fucking spine and know our shit, and will argue back with real facts.

              Obamabots are running into Americans all over this country who have shoveled enough horse shit in their lives to see that the sparkly unicorn you’re riding in on is in fact a half-lame mule with a blue glitter twizzle stick taped to his damn head.

              • Scout

                “Obamabots are running into Americans all over this country who have shoveled enough horse shit in their lives to see that the sparkly unicorn you’re riding in on is in fact a half-lame mule with a blue glitter twizzle stick taped to his damn head.”

                OK, that caused without question the best laugh I’ve had all day.”

              • QUEENIE

                “Obamabots are running into Americans all over this country who have shoveled enough horse shit in their lives to see that the sparkly unicorn you’re riding in on is in fact a half-lame mule with a blue glitter twizzle stick taped to his damn head.”

                Coffee all over keyboard…that was a brilliant line WMCB!!!!!!!! I could actually visualize that!!

              • tzada

                lmao! omg every time I look at them now I will have that in mind. I hope Pat R does it up in a cartoon. Ridicule and snark from us will prove their failing. Remember the emperor has no clothes?

                Thanks for the laugh.

              • Frikken’s Lunch Box

                Best description I have heard in a week. Thanks WMCB!

                Pat,
                Please do an artist rendering of the suspect!

        • Cahil

          It’s also pretty funny that after she wrote you this whole reasonable list you respond to none of it but divert with the Kos images.

          • Balls

            I just posted an extensive discussion of every single one of Ani’s points and it appears that it is now being censored. Very par for the course for NQ. If you cannot talk about the facts or cannot deal with an opposing view then just sensor them.

            • WMCB

              Learn to spell. It’s “censor”. And the spam filter is a little random, especially with long posts – don’t be paranoid.

              I do find it interesting, though, that you are whing “Sensorshiiiip!” [sic] on a privately-owned blog that may or may not have shut down your speech.

              But you think that voting citizens of this country at a public town hall addressing THEIR elected representatives should STFU and go away. Interesting and exceedingly self-centered world view you have, there.

              Also, you have yet to explain to me why the swastikas carried in anti-war protests are any different that that pic you keep saying is so disgusting.

            • Ani

              No one is censoring you. Just went to the spam filter (we check it regularly) and did not find your post there. Sometimes these things do go into the ether. I have had comments of mine that disappeared as well. That has happened to just about every poster here on occasion. Not intentional.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Why does botHQ insist on sending single-digit IQ obmatrons like you to this website? The content of your posts is nothing short of sophomoric, much like the drivel spewed by the one at whose feet you worship.

              Would you please, please go lower the collective IQ an order of magnitude at some OTHER website? We have more than our fair share of dead-end lemmings here and don’t need another.

        • oowawa

          These people are disgusting scumbags.

          Well, Balls, I looked real close at that picture, and I didn’t see any “disgusting scumbags.” What are the visual cues that should be telling me “disgusting scumbags,” because I just don’t get it.

        • WMCB

          Oh, so everyone of us who protested at an anti-war rally, with SWASTIKA images like these:

          http://www.thomasalbert.com/politics/protest/bush_hitler.jpg

          We were disgusting scumbags, too? For objecting to what we saw as an over-powerful State? Any dissent that is not to your or my taste is “disgusting”? I went to lots of rallies organized by Move-on, and the fabulously wealthy Soros. Was I a “plant”?

          Your bullshit doesn’t pass the smell test. You just don’t like the fact that those who disagree with you are now using the same methods WE used, and they are growing in number. You thought the left had a proprietary patent on dissent, and are getting all pissy now that it’s clear we don’t. You are the definition of a hypocrite.

          • fif

            Well, look at who they revere? He’s the Paragon of Hypocrisy.

      • Onofre’s arm

        8. Where is the tort reform?
        9. Where are the restrictions for illegal aliens?
        10. If it was such a great deal, why the hard sell?
        11. If it is such an emergency and a crisis, why is its implimentation put off until 2013, AFTER the 2012 election? Could it possibly be that if it were started sooner and turned into the train wreck that it’s destined to be, that Obama and his fascist buddies wouldn’t have a chance at a second term?

      • proud mobster

        If this bill is so great why do you have to threaten and intimidate people to get them to support it? Lyndon Johnson took a year and a half to pass Medicare and it was passed with both Republican and Democrat votes. No Seniors were called Nazis or Domestic Terrorists and no Union Thugs were brought in to force Seniors to accept the bill. Imagine that!

      • Naturally

        Not “right wing talking points?”

        I just heard Newt Gingrich make all of those same seven points on ABC This Week with George Stephanopoulos.

        Last I checked, Gingrich was a Republican.

        • tzada

          Won’t work here at this site. We are PUMA hear us roar!

          • lorac

            I think they’re pushing the meme that’s it’s republicans against BO, because they don’t want to admit that many dems have always and are still dissatisfied with BO – same as the meme that there were only 5 or so PUMAs in the country.

          • PotVsKtl

            Please. This site has been Republican astroturfing since before the primaries ended.

            • Ferd Berfle

              BS, pothead. This site has always been centrist. Just because you and your brethren are to the left of Chairman Mao does not make us a right-wing group. Can you ask your masters over at botHQ to send us someone with at least half a brain? Your quarter-ouncer ain’t making it here.

            • Ani

              This is too hilarious. Do you have any idea how many Democrats and huge Hillary supporters are on this site? Well, we were Democrats until we saw how Pelosi et al gamed the primaries and treated a woman worthy of respect like Hillary so disgracefully. Now some of us consider ourselves Independent.

              But you probably knew that.

            • fif

              I love it when people come here and tell us who we are–as if they know.

        • Ani

          I’ve been a Dem all my life and those items are things that concern me. Last time I checked, I don’t have Newt’s phone number — nor do I listen to him. I don’t listen to Rush either or any conservative talk show hosts or anything of the kind.

          People have a right to be concerned and have their questions answered, which ever party they are. There are 5 different bills out there — our representatives don’t have any clarity on it either which is why they don’t want to stand on the firing line about it. This is not going fully into effect until 2013 — why the almighty rush to ram this through without a full debate?

          The more somebody tries to demonize me for daring to ask questions, the more suspicious I become as to their motives for doing so.

          • Naturally

            Then it must be just coincidence that your talking points are exactly the same as Newt Gingrich’s. No relationship there whatsoever. Just coincidence. Same points, same wording, just coincidence.

            • Ani

              I have not listened to Gingrich about this issue. He is an unholy hypocrite for reasons which should be obvious considering I am a Clintonista — my feelings on that one range back a number of years. That stated, on any number of issues (including or excluding health care), even a broken clock can be right twice a day. However feeble you may consider my concerns, I did not get them from him. By the way, even some of Obama’s biggest Dem supporters are now writing articles voicing similar concerns — are they channeling Newt, too? Rich, Paglia, E. Robinson, Koch, Reich…

              As to your earlier question about single payer, I’m for it as long as that really means Congress is on the exact same system and trusts it for themselves as much as for us. No exceptions. Then I’ll know we have a system that works. True single payer. Even that will have its problems, however.

    • Portia Elizabeth

      You can pontificate all you like (a benefit of this site btw), but when you do, be prepared to address the dissent. You do not know what you are talking about when you insult and try to marginalize the posters here. The people who come here regularly are educated, informed, analytical thinkers. And when it comes to healthcare, there are many here who deal with the issue on a professional basis.

      So scurry back to whoever gives you your talking points and tell them they won’t work here.

      • Onofre’s arm

        “The people who come here regularly are educated, informed, analytical thinkers.”

        I’m not. I’m just an arm. But compared to most bots, I have more brains in my little finger than…..oh hell, you know how it goes.

    • JRD

      KRUGMAN AND WALSH ARE RAAAAAACIST for defending white SEIU thugs beating up an Afro-American. Did anyone hear an apology…..crickets! The whole world is watching the progressive statist hypocrisy.

      Shame shame everybody knows your game.

    • fif

      A bunch of thugs who cannot debate the facts, but would rather stop others from discussion.

      You mean like Obama & Co. during the primaries? We all lived it, so don’t even try to pull that b.s. here. Funny, you didn’t have a problem with caucus fraud and ACORN tactics back then, did ya? Axelrod took astroturfing and propaganda to a level that made Rove envious. You are either blind or complicit.

  • hmk_me

    I was a democrat for almost 50years. I did not agree with republicans on a lot of issues, and still do not. But when did they lose the right of free speech or protest? When did dissatified democrats lose those rights?
    when it comes to health care why on earth would I trust backtrack? He has not kept most of his campaign promises, he has no respect for the American people and if he said ” it was raining outside” I would check out the windows and also the roof to see if someone was up there with a hose.
    The congress forgot who they represent and really have to be replaced in 2010 for the good of the country.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • NoBamaNoWay

      right on.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      I’m in total agreeance with you.

  • TexasMirth

    if he said ” it was raining outside” I would check out the windows and also the roof to see if someone was up there with a hose.

    Well said! When your leader is a liar, it becomes way too risky to follow his advice. Obama seems to think the American people are so gullible that he can say one thing to one group and the opposite to another and he won’t be held accountable. It’s insulting.

    And speaking of insulting, let’s hope the people of San Francisco won’t re-elect Pelosi after her appalling comments and conduct. She obviously holds the First Amendment in contempt.

  • Seattle Moss

    Truthfully folks..

    I hope Pelosi and Co keep doing exactly what their doing.
    You don’t need to apologize to me!
    Obama, Nazi Pelosi and the democrats are at war with the American people and will go down in flames of defeat in 2010.

    So keep talking…Everything you say will be used against you real soon.

    • TexasMirth

      Defeat in 2010 for Pelosi & friends — let’s hope you are right, SM.

    • Cindy

      Seattle—That’s my boy! And hey, have you seen this?http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html
      GIt’s a great website that vindicates Sarah Palin, and also contains the entire published article of Dr.Mengele, I mean Emanuel (Rahm’s bro).
      Excellent website and info. Just FYI.
      my hubby, the lawyer, read the entire Emanuel thing and found it very disturbing!

  • proud mobster

    Does anyone know anything about the Town Hall Meeting in Boulder Colorado? I heard that even the Liberals were screaming against this Hell Care Bill.

  • Dave

    Pelosi is an idiot, she couldn’t tell the truth if her life depended on it ! This woman is in so far over her head, she’s reaching up to touch bottom !!!

  • Arabella Trefoil

    Good work, my No Quarter friends! Keep it up. Your message is getting out.

    My 82 year old mother said the following to me yesterday:

    “I heard a radio ad for Corzine on the radio. It said Obama endorsed him. What kind of horse manure is that? If Obama endorses Corzine, that means Corzine is no good. Corzine must have morons running his campaign. I would never vote for anyone Obama endorses.”

    Later on my mom (a life long Democrat) said “I won’t vote for anyone who supports Obama’s health plan. Make me a list.”

    If my mom is aware of all this “horse manure” being flung at us, it is very bad for Obama. My mom (who still works!) is not very interested in politics and gets her news from TV and Radio. She says that she now know “they (the media) are all liars. How can they lie like that?”

    My mom and her friends are what Democrats call “golden voters.” They voter in every election, even the smallest local ones. Obama has turned many of these people against the Democratic party. I of of several people who are now voting Republican for the first time. No more “Golden voters” and this will hurt Democrats running for office at all levels, including school board, state legislature, etc. Pelosi has no idea of the damage she’s doing. We may start seeing Democratic candidates at the local level turning against the DC Democrats. I’m betting on it.

    Throw them all out!!!!

    • Ani

      Thanks for the report, Arabella. I’m glad to know that this current party leadership is getting an earful and hopefully will pay at the polls. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Franks and Chris Dodd are not representative of the Democrats I grew up with and believed in. I don’t know who these people are, frankly, I just know they are out for themselves.

      To demonize voters in order to silence them is not a practice Dems are going to get away with over the long haul. They are disillusioning a lot of people with these kinds of smears.

  • Chicago

    Patriots unite! show Queen Nancy how much “manufactured anger” is out there! The biggest Tea Party march for DC is being organized and will end at the steps of the Capitol. Whether you’re a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or Libertarian doesn’t matter at all since we all are going to suffer under the banner of Obama’s Marxist principles! if you can’t attend, donations are certainly welcome. (I am not part of the site nor connected with the organizers of this march, just a concerned citizen willing to do what’s needed in order to stop The One’s Socialist agendas.

    http://912dc.org/

    FAQ
    1. What is the symbolism of your logo?

    It was a purposeful decisions to create a defiant image, raised fists against the statist policies of Congress and the president. I think it’s an edgy symbol that communicates the anger and the defiance of the protests happening around the country since early February.

    We have to make sure this is a protest against what’s going on in DC, and we have to convey that image to the country and the world. I fear that if we start to lose that edge, the politicians won’t take us as seriously, and will write us off. We’ve been studying and applying the tactics of the left for a long time, and although we despise their bad ideas, they have us beat when it comes to symbolism, activism and dominating the public debate. We can learn from them and co-opt their symbols, some of their messages and even their tactics.

    We have to remember that this is a March on Washington, which should conjure up images of the street protests in other countries. If we want the politicians to pay attention, we believe it is imperative that we keep our edge, tailor our message narrowly and maintain the populist imagery.

    2. When will you add more details to the site?

    As soon as we make big decisions about things like speakers, the march route, vendors and the like. We plan to hammer out a lot of the details in the next couple of weeks.

    3. Who can attend the March on Washington?

    Anyone that believes in limited government, and wants to see lower taxes, less government and more freedom.

    4. Who will be speaking?

    We will have speakers from all walks of life, including local community leaders, regular citizens, radio hosts and elected officials. But this movement is less about who is speaking on stage, and more about the folks protesting in the streets.

    5. What is the march route?

    We are still putting that together, but we will all end up at the west front of the U.S. Capitol Saturday afternoon. There will likely be more than one starting point for the march, which will start in the morning and end up at the capitol. Make sure you are registered for the event and you will receive email updates periodically with this kind of information.

    6. How are people getting to DC?

    Thousands of people have already made their transportation plans via air, chartered buses, carpools and trains. Ultimately it’s up to you how/when you get to DC for the three day event. If you need some guidance, please visit our “getting here” page.

    7. What is the message of the March on Washington?

    Our message is that governments at all levels have been spending way too much money. The federal government is especially guilty of this, as they pile up the debt, deficits and unfunded liabilities. They are taxing, borrowing or printing money with no end in sight. This madness has to stop, and that is why we are demanding that they stop the wasteful spending and stop burdening taxpayers with more debt.

    This protest is about defending our liberty, and about restoring our Constitution by reducing the size and scope of the federal government.

    8. What can I do to help spread the word about the March on Washington?

    Join our Ning site and connect with others in your state. Tell your friends, family and colleagues to register to attend. Promote the website on facebook, twitter, blogs and other websites. Download and print out flyers to distribute at July 4th protests, and all other events where you might be able to recruit people to attend the March on Washington. Also, take the lead in your community and charter a bus. Gather your own big group and get them to DC any way you can!

  • Naturally

    Evidence mounts that recess-rally protests are manufactured PR events, paid for with corporate money and controlled by the Republican Party.

    Koch Industries, the $100 billion/year privately-owned oil company, pharmaceutical companies and health-insurance companies are behind the right-wing, Republican PR (AstroTurf) groups Americans For Prosperity, FreedomWorks, Patients First and Patients United Now, which are paying for buses to take Republican-party hacks from state to state to disrupt public meetings.

    One bus is taking a group to Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Louisiana. Another bus is taking a second group to Nebraska, Colorado, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Iowa, Arkansas and Missouri.

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/BUSS23_20090722-222402/281595/

    Leaked memos reveal how the PR groups are orchestrating and scripting the recess-rally PR actions so that they APPEAR to be spontaneous, and representative of constituents’ concerns.

    ttp://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/freedomworks-turn-up-the-heat-and-make-sure-dems-are-afraid.php

    Don’t let the Republican PR companies control the agenda! Tell Congress and Obama, single-payer or nothing!

    • fif

      And who are YOU astroturfing for Naturally? Obama took Single Payer of the table on Day One.

    • WMCB

      Tell Obama single payer??? LMAOPIMP!!!

      Oh, you poor, sweet, deluded bot. Whatever gave you the idea that Obama was going to do single payer? Really, honey, you need to pay more attention before you vote.

      • Naturally

        Read my comments, dear. I oppose Obama’s health plan, I did not vote for him and I never supported him.

        I’ll say it yet again. I’m for single-payer, universal health INSURANCE. I’m against the the public-option duct-taped to the current for-profit-health-insurance-system bill that Obama favors.

        Get that?

        The fact is, two-thirds of Americans support a single-payer system. That’s not a landslide in U.S. politics; it’s an Earth-shaking number!

        Single-payer works well in other countries around the world. They have better health-care outcomes (we rank 37th) and spend less per capita (we rank 1st). And, the public knows it.

        This frightens the health-insurance oligarchs whose billions in annual profits would disappear if Congress passes single-payer in spite of their man, Obama, saying it is “off the table.”

        Thus, the industry has sent in their PR hounds, in the form of Americans For Prosperity, Patients United Now and Patients First (all industry-funded “AstroTurf” groups) to fear-monger, dis-inform, and bus their operatives from state to state to disrupt public meetings where constituents were likely to press their congress-persons to vote for single-payer.

        It’s the same strategy that successfully shut down the recount in Florida in 2000, and in fact, some of the fake protesters in that famous photograph (see my above posts) now work for Koch Industries, which is funding the recess-rally actions.

        The single-payer bill is H.R. 676. The bill has 93 co-sponsors in the House of Representatives. The text is here: http://johnconyers.com/hr676text

        Estimates are that single-payer would cut family health-care costs by as much as 80%, create 3 million new health-care jobs, and give consumers more access to better health care. The current denial-care system would be over, and 55,000 health-insurance company jobs would go away, along with the aforementioned billions in annual profits.

        To Hell with Obama. Tell CONGRESS to pass single-payer!!!

        • Ani

          Wasn’t it Baucus that was purple faced saying single payer is off the table?

          How are we gonna get there if the president doesn’t want it and congress doesn’t have the stomach. I’m calling and writing my representatives regularly to get heard about this bs of a bill they are trying to pass. So far it is falling on deaf ears.

          If you have any ideas on how to get through, I’d love to hear them. Honestly.

          • ANITA D

            WE HAVE GOT TO MARCH ON WASHINGTON EN MASSE…THE CRY WILL BE “EVERYBODY IN NOBODY OUT” WE HAVE TO HAVE SINGLE PAYER. WE CANNOT ACCEPT A WATERED DOWN BILL. I HAVE BEEN CONTACTING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND KNOW THAT WE NOW HAVE AT LEAST A MILLION PLUS. 5 MILLION WOULD BE GREAT TO LET THE PRESIDENT, CONGRESS AND THE SENATE KNOW THAT THEY WILL GIVE US A SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE SYSTEM OR WE WILL VOTE THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE. REPUBLICANS TOO. PLEASE READ THE DOCTOR’S STORY BELOW, AND CHECK OUT THIS WEBSITE. http://www.grahamazon.com/sp/

            I am a 78-year-old retired orthopedic surgeon who was a registered Republican all my life until 2002, when I discovered that the current Republican Party no longer represented my value system.
            I am now convinced that a national health insurance plan is required and overdue. After due consideration, it is my opinion that a single-payer plan is the most reasonable option to finance this legislation. The health-care system in the United States has largely priced itself out of business.
            When the presidents of the three largest private health insurance companies in the country — UnitedHealth’s Golden Rule Insurance Co., Assurant Health and WellPoint Inc. (parent of Blue Cross of California) — told the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations (June 6, 2009) that they would not discontinue their practice of rescission of ill patients, I thought they had driven the final nail in the coffin of private health insurance companies.
            However, it seems not to have even caused a ripple of discontent within Congress. In my opinion, and in the opinion of the majority of health-care providers, the single-payer plan makes the most sense. It is favored by approximately 72 percent of American citizens, according to a recent poll. It would definitely be the most economical approach as it would not be required to pay dividends nor the obscene pay packages for executive officers. The administrative costs would be much less than those of our multiple carriers as they would not have hired so many claims adjusters to attempt to find some reason to weasel out of paying a claim or canceling policies on gravely ill patients.
            We owe nothing to insurance companies
            It would eliminate most, if not all, health insurance companies. So what? We owe the insurance companies of this nation nothing.
            They would never write flood insurance policies, so the federal government had to provide it. They stopped writing earthquake insurance, so the state governments had to provide it. They stopped writing professional liability insurance for physicians, so the physicians had to form cooperatives to provide it for themselves.
            So why not have the federal government provide health insurance to all of its citizens? It is not socialized medicine; it is health insurance offered by the United States of America. Medicare has worked out pretty well. I believe all taxpayers should pay a premium with their income taxes on a progressive sliding scale like our income taxes, with those most able to pay contributing the most. Also, employers should pay something for each and every employee, as the medical costs of workers’ compensation insurance would have been eliminated. Everyone who is able would pay something, but it would certainly be a lot less expensive than today’s private insurance.
            I personally see the single-payer route a win-win situation. If Congress passes a bill that does not at least carry the option of a public, government-run health insurance plan, I hope President Obama will veto it. I am extremely angry that our real enemy for change is within our own party. I can’t believe that Sen. Max Baucus, D-Montana, at the beginning of his committee’s hearing on health care, indicated that “single payer was off the table.”
            Democrats should use their power
            Forget bipartisanism. Bipartisanism was slain by the Republicans on Inauguration Day. We have the numbers; let’s go for the jugular! If legislation providing national health insurance as well as legislation regulating fossil fuel use and a crash program of developing and installation of green energy with the consequent lessening of our dependence on foreign oil is not enacted, I can guarantee you that the Democratic Party will lose seats in Congress regardless of how much money is thrown around in the election of 2010.
            Democrats, please close ranks before it is too late
            Dear Mr. President this letter was from a Doctor in my home state. Mr President we need Single Payer, I need single payer, my children and grandchildren need single payer. We gave you a resounding win a democratic House and Senate, and somehow you people cannot walk in lockstep a lousy six months to get the most important legislation of our lifetimes done. We are trying to organize a million plus person march on Washington the day congress and the senate get back to Washington. Our rallying cry will be “Everybody In, Nobody Out”. We will explain to the people that single payer is not a socialist system

    • fif

      You mean the same pharma companies and insurance industry that Obama cut deals with, and are going to use $150 million to advertise in support of the health care plan? Hmmm…

  • fif

    As usual, I am in complete agreement with you Ani. The irony and hypocrisy of Obama & Co. whining about bullying and astroturfing is just too much. It’s the same patronizing, “we know best,” b.s. Cheney used to use. Which Party is this again? People are rightfully distrustful of government, and after he blew the opportunity to rejuvenate the economy with an honest stimulus package, and instead used billions to bail out his banking buddies, and now the Pharma and insurance industries, he wonders why they are angry and confused? Most of them haven’t even read the damn thing. Tone deaf, indeed, and if they continue this arrogant force, there will be a backlash in the voting booth that they will certainly here. Unless, of course, more of those stimulus funds go to ACORN to manipulate the vote (again).

  • fif

    Please release my last comment :)

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