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“The Health Insurers Have Already Won” reads the Business Week title. Go here for article.

“Is Obama Punking Us?” reads the title of Frank Rich’s column in the NYT. Go here for article and please see Ani’s post here for a more in-depth look at Rich’s column.

Rich actually has an epiphany:

“The larger fear is that Obama might be just another corporatist, punking voters much as the Republicans do when they claim to be all for the common guy.”

All I can say, Frank is “Well… Duh!” it only took you 545 days to figure out what we knew and told you way back in February 2008. No grass grows under your toes, boy.

These are the latest in a growing stream of pundits experiencing the OMO (‘Oh, My Obama’ – formerly ‘Omigod’) syndrome, they’re waking up and saying ”Wha.. wha happened?”. The answer, of course, is: “Well, while you were stoned on your acid-infused Kool-Aid, somebody stole your country, guess who?”

So, here’s the skinny on the healthcare reform ‘debate’, as I see it.

First: it’s over, you won’t be getting any health care help.

There, you can stop reading now and get on with your life – in fact, don’t lose a minute because it looks very much like you’ll have to make some extra money to pay for the publically mandated payments to private companies for insurance that won’t insure you. Let me rephrase that: the likelihood is very high that by the end of the year Team Obama will have instituted a national government program that will require you to pay a private company for medical insurance (or pay a fine roughly equivalent to the insurance payments you would have made).

Let’s repeat that: the US government is going to force you to pay insurance premiums to a private business. Think about that, is this what you meant when you asked for healthcare reform?

Ostensibly, there will be safeguards in place so that, 1.) You will not be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. And, 2.) You will actually be covered in case you come down with something.

…and if you believe that, I’ve got a friend in New Orleans with some great property deals…

I can guarantee you that, by the time the bill goes to Obama’s desk for signing, there will be enough loopholes you could drive a truck through to ensure that no insurer is ever vexed with the problem of actually having to pay for anyone’s medical expenses.

Second: The debate is no longer about health care reform, it is about health insurance reform. This happened almost instantly – remember Max Baccus face turning purple as he shrieked “Single payer is off the table! Single payer is off the table!”. There is no health care reform in the offing. Obama has never had any intention whatsoever of providing universal health care. Yes, I know he said as much during the campaign – sit down and have a drink, take a deep breath – are you ready?

HE LIED.

But anyone who was interested could have easily found out where Obama’s heart (or pocketbook) was.

From a Boston Globe article in 2007 go here for article:

“The bill originally called for a “Bipartisan Health Care Reform Commission” to implement a program reaching all 12.4 million Illinois residents. The legislation would have made it official state policy to ensure that all residents could access “quality healthcare at costs that are reasonable.” Insurers feared that language would result in a government takeover of healthcare, even though the bill did not explicitly say that.

By the time the legislation passed the Senate, in May 2004, Obama had written three successful amendments, at least one of which made key changes favorable to insurers.
Most significant, universal healthcare became merely a policy goal instead of state policy – the proposed commission, renamed the Adequate Health Care Task Force, was charged only with studying how to expand healthcare access. In the same amendment, Obama also sought to give insurers a voice in how the task force developed its plan.

Lobbyists praised Obama for taking the insurance industry’s concerns into consideration.

“Barack is a very reasonable person who clearly recognized the various roles involved in the healthcare system,” said Phil Lackman, a lobbyist for insurance agents and brokers. Obama “understood our concern that we didn’t want a predetermined outcome.”

There is no reason for anyone to have had any illusions about who Obama was or what he was going to do. There will be a lot of kabuki theatre going on over the next few months but it is just that – theatre.

The Bottom Line

For the insurance industry it’s all about the bottom line and I don’t blame them for that, it’s foolish in the extreme for us to assume that a profit-making business would do anything other than attempt to make a profit. What it comes down to is that we can’t have decent healthcare in the context of a profit-making model – it just doesn’t work and it never will.

The numbers themselves tell the tale: after you sweep away the bandit bookkeeping the insurance industry uses to hide their profits (very much like the bandit bookkeeping movie studios and record companies use to avoid paying artists any royalties) you find that the ‘overhead’ (read: actual profits) for private health insurance runs about 20-30%. The overhead (in this case actual administration costs) for Medicare runs at 2-3%. 20-30% vs 2-3%. Are there any questions?

The healthcare debate is over in terms of anything actually happening which might benefit Americans but it does serve a larger purpose: like pus coming out of a wound, it shows us the utter corruption that has enveloped our government. Even setting aside Obama as the sockpuppet-in-chief of the insurance industry, there was as much support for real healthcare reform in the Congress as there has ever been i.e., none. Let’s remember who torched HRC’s healthcare reform in the ‘90’s: Democrats.

For the record: it is not possible to have universal healthcare using the for-profit model; Not Possible. Universal healthcare will only and can only exist when it is a public service. Those are the facts, anyone who tells you anything else is lying to you.

The astonishing thing about this is that we already have a fully functioning, tried and tested universal healthcare system up and running: Medicare. And, like icing on the cake, Medicare actually serves the part of the populace most likely to need medical: those pesky oldsters.

No less personage than Paul Krugman said recently that private insurance couldn’t even exist if Medicare weren’t there to skim off all the people with actual medical needs. All we have to do to provide basic healthcare to every American is to remove the age limit on Medicare. Does it have problems? Yes. Are they fixable? Again yes. But, out of the box, Medicare provides universal healthcare for all Americans and that’s exactly what we want, no more, no less.

But, apparently, we will do absolutely anything to avoid facing that fact. In itself, that is a pathetic commentary on our civic life.

We are seeing some signs of revolt: loudmouths at town meetings all over the country who are incensed at the monumental ripoff that is being perpetrated on us. I don’t even mind that they are incensed for all the wrong reasons as long as they, and we, can make this atrocious bill go down in flames.
I notice that many members of Congress are trying to find excuses to stay in Washington over the August break, not surprising as they are going to face a shitstorm of protest if and when they do go home.

My congressman has made the mistake of scheduling a teleconference ‘townhall meeting’, heh, heh, heh! I can’t wait…

I urge everyone to write to their Senators and Representatives to let them know that this is a watershed issue. Let them know that single payer is the only acceptable path for healthcare reform. Not insurance reform, not ‘public’ option, only single payer. Suggest taking the age limit off Medicare as a starting point and fixing what needs fixing in five years or so. But please make sure they know that this one matters, let them know that if they do not come through with single payer healthcare reform you will not vote for them in the next election.

Make it clear that, whatever other good works they may have done, whatever respect you hold for them; this is a deal breaker for you. Either come through for me on this one or expect me to vote for someone else next time.

  • Craig Della Penna

    Apologies to all for the changing font sizes, my fault entirely.

    • tzada

      I thought maybe my eyesight was gone and “they” would send me off to the knackers ;)

    • Jack

      Very good Craig!

      This is a vast Kabuki. Obama’s greatest act, keeping his minions confused with Hope! for the “public health care option”. He has spent more time talking about tonsillectomies than this.

    • TeakWoodKite

      I like the small print “internal voice” , and well said Craig Della Penna.

      I am waiting for the 8% penalty to be off set by 8% credit.

    • Steve_in_KC

      I edited the piece after its initial publication, Craig. I hope you don’t mind the regular sized type. I also added a few white spaces.

      • Craig Della Penna

        Thanks… and white spaces are always welcome.

  • jbjd

    As the prospect disintegrates for achieving universal health in the U.S.A. under an Obama Presidency, in any of several iterations culled from successful systems throughout the world, I cannot help but think how HRC is coping with the loss of yet another otherwise attainable dream.

    • pm317

      Good point about Hillary’s feelings. I hadn’t thought of that. She would have fought tooth and nail for a plan she would have made sure was good to begin with.

      • tzada

        I read somewhere the this HC mess was Hillarys revenge. She brought it up in the primarys and of course no-original-thought-in-his-head stole it and ran.

        • Ferd Berfle

          LMAO. Perhaps he was set up. His fall from grace over this fustercluck should be a wonder to behold. His drop followed by the synchronized dropping of the jaws on his supporter’s automaton faces will fill me with glee.

  • nobody special

    Such a concept could definitely work and should be considered. Such a system would not engulf doctors and nurses into the government as employees which many fear. It would simply make payments for services come from the government. You could do away with medicaid, schip, and the VA with such a system.

    Individuals would still have to meet out of pocket expenses, the first $1,500 typically with medicare, plus their co-pay amount which is 20% with straight medicare. But there is a catastrophic top amount in the even of serious illness or injury.

    Employers could provide supplemental insurance to cover deductible and co-pay amounts or an individual could purchase a supplemental policy themselves.

    A system like this would widen the risk pool of medicare making it even more cost effective. However we must be real in that everyone that works currently pays into medicare and it’s not solvent at this point it operates on a deficit. So taxes would have to go up. Would those taxes go up in an amount equal to what we are already paying in insurance premiums??? Many say it would, some say it would be higher. I kind think given the overhead of medicare vs insurance companies it’s possible to be cost neutral for most.

    This type of social insurance system is similar to some other countries. In Japan they have a similar system except that individuals choose from several private policies to provide the medicare type coverage, but it’s tax funded. The insurance industry might like that idea better, LOL! But they wouldn’t like the strict profit and overhead controls placed on them that the Japanese put in place. The industry operates kind of like utilities here in the US, with sort of a public service commission type oversight. Rates can and do go up but it goes through this commission just like our utilities do.

    The one thing that you didn’t address which is a big issue now and will continue to be an issue….illegals. Oh we pay for them now through taxes, higher medical bills and the resultant higher insurance premiums. But the issues needs to be addressed. I think there are ways to resolve the issue but I’m not sure there is such resolve on the part of Congress to resolve them. Some people want to deny care to any illegal but that would be cutting of our noses to spite our proverbial face don’t you think?? Dead bodies, disease spread, lots of bad implications with that philosophy…but what we’re doing now isn’t working either. It must be part of an overall immigration reform which is just about as likely as true meaningful health care reform huh?? Anybody checked the weather is it snowing in hell yet????

    • meileen

      nice post nobody special

  • nobody special

    Please excuse my typos, but I still think you can get the gist of my comments!

    • Craig Della Penna

      Hey, I’m thinking of vacationing in Mexico – there’s apparently a deal now where they give a free medical pass to tourists for anything they might need… if you don’t get captured and held for ransom of course.

      I imagine that, once we have national health care in place, like Canada and Mexico, we could all just cross bill each other. It might actually drive our health care costs down!

      • Ellen D

        You may be right. Canadians pay enormous amounts for health insurance when they travel because getting sick in the States can cost them a fortune.

        The U.S. and Canada have tax treaties that recognize the amounts put into each other’s retirement programs – Canada Pension and Social Security. You get whatever you earned in the other country applied to whichever country you retire in.

        Wouldn’t it be heaven if that existed for health insurance as well.

  • Katmoon

    I think this administration is just going down their list of campaign promises, so they can reflect back in the next election saying “we tried” but its all the bogeyman’s fault. I believe it is all political posturing and there simply is very little effort into actual creating of law and caring if the law is intelligible.

  • oowawa

    Craig, I am very disappointed to hear that O-Whole-Health will actually be O-Hole-Health, with “enough loopholes you could drive a truck through to ensure that no insurer is ever vexed with the problem of actually having to pay for anyone’s medical expenses.”

    On the bright side, think of all the new friends everyone will meet down at the emergency room waiting to get their sore throat treated. Just take a number!

    • Katmoon

      O-Whole-Health will actually be O-Hole-Health

      Just trying to regain my composure, ROFL, loudly.

      Let’s see I’ll take number 9.

      • oowawa

        Let’s see I’ll take number 9.

        Wow Katmoon, you just about slipped this one by me. The song “Revolution #9″ by the Beatles indeed sounds about like the freeform garbled speech that drifts in and out of consciousness in the emergency room, except that much of it is in Spanish. Interesting!

        Rouge doctors have brought this specimen . . . So the wife called me and we’d better go to see a surgeon
        Or whatever to price it… yellow underclothes
        So, any road, we went to see the dentist instead
        Who gave her a pair of teeth which wasn’t any good at all
        So I said I’d marry . . .

        Much more and an explanation at:

        http://beatlesnumber9.com/number9.html

        • Ferd Berfle

          I wasn’t aware of that little bit of information, oowawa. Once, when I was in the service, we turned that song up full-crank. It almost became understandable and lyrical. I was deaf for a week, however.

          • oowawa

            If John were still alive, he might think of reciting little bits and snatches of the O-Whole-Health bill and loop them, fade them in and out–it would provide as much understanding of the whole 1000 page mess as Congress currently seems to possess . . . What a jumbled thicket of confusion!

            • Ferd Berfle

              Amen to that oowawa. I still miss John, he was my favorite of the Beatles and truly a remarkable person. Hell, he even played with Frank Zappa, another favorite of mine. I guess I’m just a nonconformist libertarian, at heart and a nut for music.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Frank Zappa-Stinkfoot live 1974

                It was the girls favorite song when describing BO’s feet I understand.

                Hey Ferd, what do you know, my granddaughter of 9 months is a Zappa fan. She is rockin out.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  Hey Ferd, what do you know, my granddaughter of 9 months is a Zappa fan. She is rockin out.

                  Cool.

                  Stink Foot describes That One quite well. But I much prefer Zombie Woof from the One Size Fits All album.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Check that–Zombie Woof was from Overnite Sensation.

                    The Muffin Man (also That One) was from One Size Fits All.

  • tzada

    Obama’s way with words

    Dennis the Peasant catches another of those Obama fumbles (or was he just being candid?) , this one reported in the NYT.

    President Obama said Monday that efforts to change the immigration system would be a major focus for his administration only next year, after other major priorities were accomplished, including passage of a new health care system.

    “It’s very important for us to sequence these big initiatives in a way where they don’t all just crash at the same time,” he said, according to The Associated Press.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/post_179.html

  • Tammy

    Did I hear you say that you want a single payer system?
    Why don’t you read this letter from a Canadian who has just that.
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/obamacare-a-canadian-warns-dont-do-it-its-madness.html

    • jbjd

      No, thank you. I only consider anecdotal evidence when I can verify its authenticity; and then, take it for what it is worth.

      • Ellen D

        Thank you jbjd. I’ve been posting my personal positive experiences with multiple family operations and the Canadian Health System for a long time here. I sure hope being regularly seen here means people believe me and discount the paid crazies.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          But…Obamamamalingadingdong just said the US system can’t be like Canada..,

          Canadian system…PFFFT.

      • maryann

        I don’t think you even gave it a whit of consideration and for that I give you a big pfftt.

        You’ve got your head up your ass if you think Embalmacare is great.

        • Newly Independent

          LOL @ “Embalmacare”!!

      • Tammy

        Anecdotal?
        Okay, how about this:
        The Mayo Clinic gets more Canadian patients than ANY other foreign country.
        How do I know this? My father worked there for 40 years and talks with the CEO of Mayo all the time.

        That’s the facts. No anecdotal anything.

        If their care is so good, why are they coming to Minnesota in droves? Hmmmm?

    • John Smith

      I have seen an undercover investigation of the Canadian health care system. The system is broken. Perhaps it works for some people but from what I have seen it is a disaster. There are not enough doctors to go around. Day long wait to be seen by an emergency doctor. I guess it is a lot like the VA. I works for some but it is horrible for most.

      • Ellen D

        Day long wait to be seen by an emergency doctor.

        Don’t believe this stuff John, it isn’t true.

      • lorac

        John, as with anything else, I suppose it depends on the ideology of the filmmakers in terms of what the finished product will represent.

        It seems to me that any system is going to do some things better than others, so I wish that we could not just compare countries, but look further into what, within that country, works well and what doesn’t. In other words, a film that doesn’t just focus on the bad or just on the good, but that really looks at the whole issue and presents it fairly.

  • Peggy Sue

    Wow, Craig. I thought I was going to have to sign on for that new government health program and get eye surgery :0).

    What I was able to read, I pretty much agree with. Whatever comes down the pike labeled health care reform or health insurance reform or whatever name is finally settled on, will have little resemblance to anything truly “reforming.” Other than our paychecks [those of us still working, that is].

    But Obama and the Dems will be able to check off the list–been there, done that–and call it the best they could do. Which is pretty lame all around. They couldn’t even get the message right.

    And if every citizen is mandated to have coverage, even if it’s junk insurance, the health insurance industry will have beaucoup money coming in. What’s not to like from their pov? Obama already cut a deal with the pharmaceuticals, so they’re happy as clams, too.

    And the peeps get to foot the bill, whatever that may be. Party time all around!!!

    The only chance we had for any meaningful reform was with Hillary Clinton at the helm. And we all remember how that went.

    • lorac

      And everyone, even The Brilliant One, knows what a wonk Hillary is on this stuff. She worked SO hard on this issue – and she even did it as an unpaid wife of a President – that’s how dear it (and our welfare) was to her heart.

      What a shame (though not surprising) that BO couldn’t even ask to tap her brain about the healthcare issue. Oh, that reminds me of the joke about men not asking directions, just driving all over, getting lost and not getting to the destination – yeah, that’s BO. Couldn’t stoop to asking Hillary for a map!

  • NoBamaNoWay

    you said it, Craig. the Tool-in-Chief never had any intention of even breaking a sweat fighting for anything remotely resembling single-payer. his followers have been punked again. surprise, surprise. i absolutely oppose any mandated buying of private insurance, which as you said, will more than likely NOT provide you with any actual health care when you need it. we need to have some kind of workable non-profit option.

  • choo choo magoo

    Wonderful! I agree 100%. Particularly:

    I urge everyone to write to their Senators and Representatives to let them know that this is a watershed issue. Let them know that single payer is the only acceptable path for healthcare reform. Not insurance reform, not ‘public’ option, only single payer. Suggest taking the age limit off Medicare as a starting point and fixing what needs fixing in five years or so.

    Thank you CDP.

  • Ellen D

    Craig, I have admired you for a long time but this is dead-on! Mandating that people buy Insurance and throwing out Single Payer is exactly what they are going to do. Businesses and individuals will pay more, and people will get less.

    I am horrified by the selfishness displayed on these town hall rants. My brother’s keeper. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Concepts I used when I was a Sunday School teacher. I’m sure all these shouting people are regular church goers but I just cringe when I hear them say they don’t want their money going for health care for anyone else. This is being broadcast around the world – ugly Americans, indeed!

    Single Payer is the only way. We already have Corporate Welfare. To use a bad Republican phrase – to mandate that Americans subsidize Health Insurance Companies would create “Super Corporate Welfare Queens”.

    • Tammy

      You pompous assed Canadian.
      You see, we have something in America called FREE SPEECH.

      I’ve read countless articles about Canadians being SUED for expressing their opinions.

      But hey, when you get REALLY sick, and Canada tells you it’s time to die, call the Mayo Clinic.
      They’ll take you and won’t make you wait six months so that you DIE.

      You are a liar about Canadian health care. Unless, of course, you happen to have the bucks to PAY your way into the system.
      I don’t buy a word out of your mouth.
      All “anecdotal”.

      • Ellen D

        Who are you Tammy? Wow – you’re really rude. (That’s the polite Canadian part of me coming out).
        Maybe you should hang out at the town hall meetings.
        Troll perhaps?

        • pyjama

          Ellen,

          I am also a fellow Canadian and have worked in the medical system for several decades. Please be honest.

          The Canadian system has universality, but everybody pays for it and that is O.K. if you have to wait 3 hrs. to be seen for a sore throat. It’s another matter when you are young with cancer and have to wait. You’re life is on the line. That’s the difference.

          • Ellen D

            Hi pyjama, fellow Canuck.
            I realize Canada is a big place as well as the U.S. and the systems are administered by the Provinces so nothing is homogenous.
            My experience in Canada is that waiting time for something like a sore throat is far less than the waiting time I have had to wait here in doctors offices.
            My dad had cancer in Canada and was rushed right into treatment at St Margaret’s Hospital and he was in his seventies

            I AM being honest about my experiences – why would I not be? Let me know yours if you work in medical in Canada.

            • Ellen D

              Interesting … I made a goof and called the famous Toronto cancer hospital St. Margaret’s instead of Princess Margaret’s Hospital. I guess there were no Canadian medical professionals here to catch it.

  • Doc99

    Remember … universal coverage will not assure universal access. Ask the folks in Massachusetts.

  • jwrjr

    Ozero is now calling it “Health Insurance Reform”. Health insurance reform written by the Health Insurance companies? Convenient, no?

  • gianni

    OT please. Larry, with your background in intelligence, could you post something about new revelations concerning Obama’s being a spy and having multiple passports? And who was Sherman Skolnick, and why did he die when Obama ran for president? Lots of interesting tidbits, and I hope Larry has something to add.

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/131626

  • Obamastolemycountry

    I was in favor of Single Payer Health Care, until I saw this Government. Now I want the Government to get the hell out of everything! Get out! The world works much better without interference from them. Health reform, if not pushed through in this disasterous form, will be a dirty, dirty word and will not be seen in my lifetime. I really don’t even care. We have the right to kick this Government out and put in a new one per the Constitution! We need to do just that. We save the republic by having less, not more Government. I will never again support single payer health care. I will support no discrimination for preexisting conditions and taking it out of the employer’s hands so that I can have my insurance, that I choose, even if I change jobs. Get this Government out! That is the only answer. They are all having some mental issue and we should declare them all incompetent and put them in a big looney bin together!

    • Tammy

      I’m with you on that one!
      Don’t you guys realize that in Europe and Canada that people pay up to 75% of their income for insurance?
      And that’s EVERYONE.

      I’ve posted this before, but I’ll post it again.
      My father in law, a Brit DIED because of this Socialized, single payer system.

      He needed a pace maker.
      They told him he had to wait SIX MONTHS.
      He didn’t make it.

      And he was a decorated WWII Vet. I guess we just let those damned old people die.

      • Ellen D

        and Canada that people pay up to 75% of their income for insurance?

        Not true.

    • Susan B. Athena

      I agree with you as well. Get the government OUT of as much as possible.

  • Texas Playwright

    I’d like the list of all the insurance/banking/auto/energy lobbyists who have stomped through our democracy and our WH over the last 8 years and now during bho the fraud squatter time. I’d like to know who actually has written all the bills that have looted our economy. Real names, real faces, real backgrounds. Especially, I’d like a list of where all that “stimulus” money went–actual, traceable accounting.

    bho the fraud is a corporate puppet, a Chicago stoodge. Let’s focus on the oligarchs who own him and toss them all out come (s)election day.

    • Tammy

      How about if we OUTLAW lobbying?

      But of course, no politician would vote for that(no matter what party they are from) because they’d lose their cushy jobs after they leave office.

      Our whole government is corrupt.
      And our new MOB BOSS is the worst of the worst.

  • Lily

    These comments are definitely the clearest, most sensible comments on this issue that I have come across so far…even though I had to copy the tiny, tiny little print to my word processor to enlarge it sufficiently to read. I think it would be enlightening, for me anyway, if someone would go into some detail about why lowering the age limit for Medicare is unfeasible and vice versa. Afterall, Medicare patients either have to pay out-of-pocket or have a third-party carrier for some of their medical expenses. The insurance companies are still in the picture. The patients aren’t at the total mercy of the system. And I doubt if it would take a thousand pages to adjust the system.

  • HARP

    Town Hall Protestors ‘In Risk of Being Arrested’

    Vice President Biden told a reporter to the NY Reporter that if protests continued and the reform bill was stalled, some of the protestors would “face consequences.” When asked to clarify, Biden stated:

    “These people come to these meetings and start fistfights and yell down their elected officials. You can’t do that and still consider yourself a patriot. You can’t go around with swatstikas spreading hate. If you do these things after you’re told to calm down, you’re going to get arrested.”

    http://righthandedpitcher.blogspot.com/2009/08/town-hall-protestors-in-risk-of-being.html

    • oowawa

      OMG–and this is the Vice-President of the United States? What is he–like the vice-principle of a high school, the guy who is the big enforcer? “You can’t go around with swastikas spreading hate . . . ” The only person I know of who fits that description is Charles Manson, who has a swastika tattooed in the middle of his forehead, and he’s an old guy and can’t get around much anymore since he’s already been arrested and convicted and locked away. This is getting beyond ludicrous. Shame!

    • Tammy

      The only VIOLENT protesters have been union thugs from SEIU.

      I’ve protested at a tea party event(that was protesting the massive stimulus) and no one attacked ANYONE.

      It’s called free speech, asshole.

      The violence is from YOUR side, Mr. NitWit VP.
      Your Unions.

      Oh, did I mention that I am a member of the AFL-CIO????

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Great post!!! (I can finally read it!)
    I wish every voter in the country could read this.
    Thanks, Craig.

  • emmag

    wow, brilliant, craig! thanks!

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Craig, Your post is very well written and your position in favor of a true single payer option very well articulated.

    I gotta disagree!

    You rightly state that we already have ‘universal’ health care for a certain age group–Medicare. I would also add the ‘universal’ health care of low income people, Medicaid. First off, they already cover everyone who doesn’t have an alternative. Secondly, how are those working out for us? Not too well, actually. Seniors who can afford it purchase supplemental insurance because Medicare apparently doesn’t cover everything they need or want it to. (Similarly, in France about 90% of people purchase supplemental insurance from private companies ostensibly because their system doesn’t provide all they need or want.) Plus, even more importantly, Medicare can’t even keep itself above water. The Dallas Federal Reserve has reported that in 2008 the program had $85 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. (Given the math ignorant and irresponsible rulers we have, I will give everyone ONE guess as to which direction that number is likely to go in the future.) So why do we want to expand failing programs?

    Also, please point out where in the Constitution it states that our government is supposed to provide health care for citizens (oh–and non-citizens, too). It is nowhere to be found. In the preamble, it is “proVIDE for the common defense” and “proMOTE the general welfare”. It only means the government is supposed to promote the welfare of all citizens as opposed to protecting the narrow interests of one group or class. It does not mean the federal government can make up stuff they want to do and provide. As a matter of fact, the Tenth Amendment clearly states that the federal government cannot create its own mandates out of thin air! Anything the people want or need is supposed to be self provided or done by their state governments. We can’t go around ignoring parts of the Constitution we don’t like.

    Health care is a product (or service) not a human right. If you think it is a ‘right’ and a government run monopoly on it is acceptable, then why would you ever stop at health care? What about food or shelter? Here’s a great article by Thomas J. DiLorenzo: “Single Payer Groceries, Anyone?” http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo176.html

    Our system is not optimal now, but at least we have SOME choice and freedom to make our own decisions within it. No one will ever get the level of care they want (whatever it takes) at the price they think they deserve to pay (reasonable)–after all, when it comes to life and death, one’s own life is immeasurably precious. But there are prices to pay for this product, and government control over them will only intensify lobbyist’s influence and inefficiency in the system.

    • Craig Della Penna

      SNJ:
      Some very good questions. Let me take a crack at a few of them.

      First, No current healthcare system anywhere is going to cover everything, all the time. The goal is to maximize coverage while minimizing costs. It is axiomatic that a publicaly funded non-profit healthcare service will serve more people for less money than a private for-profit system will. It is no secret that Americans pay far more for far less coverage than any of the industrial countries which have public healthcare – Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany, France, Canada, England, etc, etc.

      Second, I made no reference to the constitution but since you bring it up “promote the general welfare” seems like a dandy rubric for public healthcare. General welfare would be server very well by public healthcare, both because it would serve more people and because it would remove the penalty of about 20% that American business suffers in competition with other industrialized countries because American business pays, in part, for healthcare that is paid by the public in those countries.

      Third, I agree that lobbyists have far too much control over healthcare, after all they wrote Obama’s health insurance reform bill. I think that public healthcare would drastically reduce lobbyist influence on our healthcare system.

      Last, we do have choice: we can choose to have a rational, reasonable healthcare system that maximizes the benefits for everyone or we can choose to let people whose only motivation is profits continue to control our healthcare system… and our lives.

      Remember: you get whatever you choose.

      • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

        Craig, Thank you very much for your responses. So do you envision a single payer system with supplemental insurance available on the private market?

        My purpose in bringing up the Constitution was to point out that it does NOT allow for the federal government to provide anything except a national defense. They used the word PROMOTE versus the word provide for a reason: to “promote” means to ensure a structure by which all citizens’ interests can be pursued without favor of one group over another. It is not a mandate for the federal government to be a provider. Metaphorically, government is supposed to make the road rules but not drive any of the cars.

        We have gotten so far away from this original concept that we don’t even recognize the constant tyranny of government intrusion. In this debate about health care, many people take it as a foregone conclusion that government should provide these things. Again, with this philosophy, why stop at health care? Food and shelter should be single payer, too. Why are we pretending there is any difference? There’s not, and if single payer is absurd in the case of food, it logically follows that it is absurd in the case of health care.

        We do agree on the lobbyist issue. This goes back to the ‘promote the general welfare’–AS OPPOSED TO protecting the narrow interests of one group or class. Here we have blatant and deeply embedded problems. Why, why, why in the world would you trust any government that cannot resist the pull of special interest groups? Single payer health care would be a lobbyist’s dream–imagine having to concentrate your efforts in one place. I’m not sure where in your plan you think these guys are going to disappear. Single payer health care will only intensify this major problem.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    stuck again in moderation–sent an email–can anyone help? Thanks!

  • Tammy

    Now THIS is astroturfing.
    Obama The Phony should be his name.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/shocker-little-girl-who-asked-obama.html

  • Jules

    you find that the ‘overhead’ (read: actual profits) for private health insurance runs about 20-30%. The overhead (in this case actual administration costs) for Medicare runs at 2-3%. 20-30% vs 2-3%. Are there any questions?

    Yes, I do have questions. Where are you getting your statistics? I realize things may be different in states other than mine, however I worked for several health insurers in the past and not one was profitable. They all went out of business. The actuaries projected rates with a small built in profit (less than 10%) and filed them with the department of insurance per state regs. However, these companies did not meet their profit goals and lost money. Which health insurance companies are specifically making 20-30% profits? I really would like to know because I hear this repeated, but have never seen sources for it.

    Regarding medicare admin of 2-3%, many of their admin costs are hidden. Also, when you are calculating percentages, you must consider that the senior population has much more expensive services performed than the younger population. So just as an example, let’s say it costs $1 to administer a claim. The general population has much smaller claims on average than seniors. So if the average younger person’s claim is $10 and an average senior claim is $100 (again this is just a mathematical example) then you are talking 1% vs 10%.

    Here is some interesting research on the subject:

    http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/CAHI_Medicare_Admin_Final_Publication.pdf

    • Craig Della Penna

      Jules:

      Good questions:

      Research I have done on the healthcare companies represented on the Fortune 500 over the past several years – including CIGNA, Humana, Aetna, United Heath Group, Wellpoint, etc., indicates that reported profits are always in the 2-10% range. this looks modest and does not raise too many questions. However, when you add in dividends, executive salaries, bonuses and stock options a different picture emerges. Also count in the over head involved in the hiring and maintenance of the cadres of ‘adjusters’, i.e., people hired with the specific task of finding ways to deny claims – and paid bonuses based on their success rate.
      Well then, the actual profits diverted from actual healthcare rise to the 20-30% level.

      You may choose to ignore these facts in the interest of ‘private enterprise’ but ask yourself this: isn’t any profit made on the suffering of others, obscene?

      • Jules

        This sounds like generalities and stereotypes to me so I have to admit that no, I’m not convinced. Plus it is the exact opposite of my personal experience. I can say with certainty that there were NO employees at my workkplaces whose job description involved denying care and that is just a fact. I knew all the claims adjusters and no one was pressured to deny claims and no one was given a bonus based on doing so. I also knew the board certified doctors and nurses on the appeal panels and sat in on these panels myself (so no they were not gum-chewing teenagers as some people like to say). I witnessed these people trying to figure out how to cover claims FOR people based on the contract. Everything was very strict due to steep fines that could be imposed by the Department of Insurance for not following the contract to the letter. You may underestimate the control the states already have over health insurers. It is FAR from being unregulated.

        Also, since I obviously do not know you, and therefore could not vouch for the accuracy of your research or capabilities to do mathematical analysis, I cannot say I have been persuaded. However, I remain open to actual facts that can be backed up and am always open to changing my mind if someone gives me enough facts to do so. Suggesting we count claims adjuster and other salaries into profit is kind of a weird thing to do, so this does make me question your accounting skills. I get where you’re going if the officers of the company have inflated salaries, but the rest, not so much.

        You also say “isn’t any profit made on the suffering of others, obscene?” I guess you could say that if you accept the premise that profit is being made off of suffering, which I don’t.

  • TexasMirth

    I notice that many members of Congress are trying to find excuses to stay in Washington over the August break,

    Cowards. I hope their constituents take note – and vote them out- the sooner the better.
    I’m watching some of the Town Hall meetings on C-Span and I am so impressed with the American people. It’s really sad that Pelosi & gang don’t recognize real Americans when they see them.

  • masslib

    Great post! I keep trying to tell people the insurers and pharma are supporting this boondoggle. It’s not even health care reform, it’s health finance reform.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent post. Thank you.

    …I’ve been calling and writing my Congress Critters, but they are only interested in politics.

    Look at some of the crap I get from them, Myth’s and facts email’s.

    MYTH: Congress will not be forced to accept the public health insurance plan that they will force on everybody else. FACT: One thing Barack Obama and I want to do is to give Americans and small businesses the ability to buy into a plan like the one I have.”

    Isn’t that amzing? And he confirms his own “myth” with his reply.

    How far these Democrats have fallen.