McCain vs Obama, My Position

So, McCain is Johnson? No, McCain is Goldwater because he’s for smaller government. Wait a minute, the DEMOCRATS used to be for smaller government (well, WAY long ago). Which one is going to say out of my wallet, off of my back, and out of my bedroom?

Larry, I’m with you. I dislike Obama immensely, but I am not about to cut off my nose to spite my face, which is how I see a vote for McBush.

Obama is inexperienced and ill-equipped to become president, but at least, he is not in bed with the neo-cons that brought us Iraq, and his advisors are not entirely composed of lobbyists, as is the case with McBush.

The ONLY thing about Obama that gives me pause are the vitriolic attacks that his supporters have lodged over and over again against anyone who refused to bow down and kiss their messiah’s feet. Many of the Obama supporters have exhibited the SAME sort of authoritarianism that we witnessed from the Bushies in 2000 and 2004. While one cannot blame Obama for the actions of all his supporters, it does seem to me that Obama has failed to provide the positive leadership that would have tapped down the vicious attacks against the Clintons–particularly after Obama had clinched the nomination!

Last week when I was traveling on business, I had the opportunity to read about half of John Dean’s book, Broken Government: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches. If I were seriously considering voting for McBush, Dean presented compelling reasons to vote AGAINST McBush. In particular, our judiciary has suffered severely after having Republican presidents appointing ideologically driven jurists for 20 of the past 28 years–federal court judges whose allegiance to the Constitution falls well below ideological beliefs and partisan concerns, which is VERY troubling. Given the lifetime nature of judicial appointments, having another Republican president can do a lot more damage than most voters are aware of! In case there are people here who question the importance of these judicial appointments, just remember that the two oldest justices on the SCOTUS are 88-year-old John Paul Stephens and 75-year-old Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Given his age, I think that there is a strong probability that the next president may end up replacing Stephens on the SCOTUS, and the idea that he might be replaced by another John Roberts or a Samuel Alito sends shivers up and down my spine!

I certainly empathize with people who are concerned by Obama’s lack of experience, and I do not disagree with that general’s assertion that Obama is in over his head. Hopefully, in spite of Obama’s lack of experience, he has the intellectual capacity to recognize his own deficiencies and to listen to people around him who have more experience and knowledge of particular issues than he does. The problem with Bush was NOT his lack of experience or even his limited intellectual capacity–it was his arrogance! In as much as I still have strong reservations about Obama, I honestly do not believe that he is likely to exhibit the stubborn arrogance that we witnessed from Bush. McBush is another matter. In spite of his experience, McBush DOES seem to be pretty stubborn and arrogant about what he believes, and that makes him LESS fit to be president than the empty suit from Chicago, in spite of having a lot more experience.

We all should remember that Abraham Lincoln came into office with a pretty thin CV himself, and yet, he managed to rise to the occasion. In contrast, Lincoln’s predecessor, James Buchanan, had served 5 terms in Congress and certainly had “experience”, and yet, Buchanan ranks among the worst presidents in our country’s history and certainly helped to create the polarization that led to the Civil War.

Barring some unforeseen circumstance, we voters will eventually have to make a choice between Obama and McBush. For me, that choice involves more than experience. I will be looking at the people around each presidential nominee as well as the temperment of each man. On the basis of temperment and the people surrounding each man, I will reluctantly vote for Obama. I don’t like it, but that is the choice that we are stuck with.

First?

Will not vote for McCain… no way, no how!!! Obama will not get my vote either. I shall be sitting by the tele with a big bowl of popcorn come election day in November. Que sera sera…

I think we have no choice except to get Hillary Clinton elected.
Maybe we could hire Rove to help us out, now that he’s freelancing.

Zut alors! I thought I was first.

Larry..You and Susan are so Good…You can put the Core back in the Apples..Seeds and all..

If there is no way to get Hillary into the Oval Office this year, my dilemma is to cast my vote in such a way that it keeps Obama out of the Oval Office and elects a qualified candidate to be POTUS. I don’t think a vote for Ron Paul or Ralph Nader can accomplish this, but I’m open to suggestions, including writing in Hillary. Right now, I’m between writing in Hillary and voting for McCain. In my gut and in my brain, the only candidate qualified for the office is Hillary. Nobody comes close. She is the only candidate, I believe, who can deal effectively with our domestic problems and also negotiate with world leaders.

What about Obama flip flopping on his position on Iraq?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU

NOBAMA!

A vote for Obama is a vote for rigged elections, voter fraud and Nixonland Tricks.

This party is going to it clean up or it isn’t going to be around.

None of them. We’re going to have to chase them out with shotguns!

If Bush Fired him why would we want the mess that would come with him?

http://www.examiner.com/blogs-73-Yeas_and_Nays~y2008m6d9-Bush-confronted-Roves-sins-in-church

he is good at what he does…I have to admit

Larry, I agree. I’ll vote for neither McInane nor obama. But they are only the latest failures of our system, which produced Ronald Reagan and GWB. What the fuck is wrong with this country, that it ends up with someone like GWbush for president?

But what bothers me most is the crap pulled by dean and pelosi and the Democratic institutions like the DNC. obama is what it is, but I’ll never donate another cent to any Democratic organization.

But will the MSM trash him on it???…I doubt it…The days of honest press are gone..

I saw you were supporting Barr a few days ago, he has transformed since leaving the House of Representatives even joining the ACLU, and his reasoning has mellowed from a rabid partisan to a logical and pragmatic operator.

For obama never there is so much more than the sleazey campaign tactics used by obama, there is a matter of the rigging of the primary and the DNC is culpable and cnnot be left unchallenged and that means obama doesn’t win the Presidency.

For McCain I don’t know if he is as war hungry as you are laying claim, I think he has surrouned himself with bushyites to solidate the “rightwing” base and though he is conservative he is also moderate when it comes to reality of the situation, again the word pragmatic.

Myself I trust him, I don’t trust obama, I began to respect Barr, the Green Party not impressed with McKinnley and I know this I want obama and the Dem. elites to feel the loss in Nov.

Maybe you should check the server Huffington Post uses…LOL

There is still a lot of time between now and the August nominating convention, and I intend to use this time to get out as much information about Barack Obama as I can — and to as many people as I can.

My hope is that when the voters and the Democratic superdelegates become more aware of the REAL Barack Obama and Obama’s REAL record, they will slink away and shrink away from supporting him and will look to nominate someone who is QUALIFIED — namely, Hillary Clinton.

It may be a long shot, but I have a long history of working hard on behalf of long shots

The thing is we MUST NOT give up until after the FINAL voting at the Democratic Party’s nominating convention in August.

Nothing is cast in stone until the voting there is COMPLETED.

The only tie McCain has to the neocons is his friendship with Willaim Kristol who writes for the NY Times now. It’s a moving target. Follow the money. It has showered on the Dems who are the party of choice for the elites. Impeachment? No. War? Yes. Spending? Like John Edwards in a hair salon. Dems create more opportunities for business / government mergers; they provide a caring face for the multinationalists’ agendas. That’s how it seems. Because after watching the primaries, it doesn’t seem like the party leaders care about anything but filling their pockets.

Well going to go but, I remember Hillary telling me Obama was not qualified to be president…I will take her word on that…After all I have learned about him, what there is…No way I will ever vote for him..

No I don’t think McCain is the greatest choice. Clearly he is the lesser of two evils for me at the moment. I’ll still take McCain over Obama because I think McCain is smart enough to accept counsel – simply because he is possessed of a certain degree of humility — which Obama clearly lacks.

Arrogance and inexperience is a deadly combination — witness George Bush.

Furthermore, I think McCain’s friend Hillary would be likelier to exert positive influence over McCain whereas Obama would never listen to any wise counsel from her because he has a compulsion to grind her nose in the dirt to compensate for his being both intimidated by and jealous of her.

I agree. A rotten place for our country. Not even a choice of a lesser of two evils, it’s a choice between the two, and that’s not choice.

Larry I agree McCain is dangerous. That is why if not Hillary it will be McCain against the DNC-Democratic Party and Obama.

But I will not run over to his site or give money .

The Dems have done nothing in years as well.

But I will not vote for Obama and must vote against him. I trust him much less than McCain.

The Obama people are wasting their time if they think the Clinton supporters will “fall in line” and vote for Obama.

And I will tell you why.

It’s not that they like or trust McCain, they don’t.

But they don’t like or trust Obama either.

And with Congress likely to be controlled by Democrats, a President McCain would find he would NOT get anywhere with his agenda; the Democrats would stall everything McCain attempted.

On the other hand, with a President Obama and a Democratic-controlled Congress — eager and willing to do anything and everything Obama’s way — we would see INCREASED control of legislation by the CORPORATE LOBBYISTS who are such a MAJOR presence in Obama’s campaign and on Obama’s campaign staff.

A stalemated government is less terrifying than an Obama presidency that is anti-America’s working class, anti-women, anti-the elderly, anti-the ill, and “pro” the CORPORATIONS.

Donna Brazile said the Democratic Party no longer needs to rely on “white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.”

Well, fine, millions of us do NOT need a Democratic Party that tilted this election on behalf of the un-vetted, low-accomplishment, inexperienced, anti-worker Barack Obama.

I believe I read that Obama was going to vote for Roberts for the Supreme Court, but was instructed no to because it wasn’t politically wise.

Obama is a total unknown… Who is he? I don’t trust him at all. I won’t be voting for him…I don’t want to vote for McCain, but I think I want to stop the arrogant, inexperienced, and mysterious Obama more. His contacts are dirty and his refusal to release his birth certificate and medical records, among other things, make him a questionable choice. Of course, his lies are another thing to consider…

What you say is true Lightcandle….
We have a formidable task ahead of us. Our voices are pitted against the most corrupt agents this country has ever seen. “The Mainstream Media”.
But, we can prevail. They “Need” us in order to generate their revenue.
Without the American people, the Corporations are shit!
It is “WE” who have handed these asswipes power and it is “WE” that can wrest it from them.
The time is now! Will we sit back and allow these people to continue to destroy this country? They don’t give a rats ass about us. Their God is The Greenback! What do they care who runs the country. The results to them are the same. Obama is to them what Spiderman and Batman are to Stan Lee. Both are creations of their masters!
“WE the people, in order to form a more perfect union”! If not now, when?

We must hold our votes and money hostage to the DNC, there is strength in numbers, therefore I will tell the DNC I intend to vote for McCain until they come to their senses and put Clinton back on top of the ticket.
That’s all there is to it folks, when the DNC sees all these people flocking to McCain then they will wake up.
No Bama ever… McCain is the only way to make them see. If we are wishy-washy then they won’t take our threats seriously. YOU must take a stand or watch obama take the oath in Jan.

DO NOT BE FOOLED: Obama is NOT a left-winger — he is a STEALTH REPUBLICAN who serves his CORPORATE financiers’ wishes and demands.

They give Obama money, and Obama gives them his votes.

DO NOT BE FOOLED.

The media people are all scared witless of being accused of being “racists,” so they do NOT criticize Obama.

And that is a terrifying thought because if they are this servile now, they will be even worse if Obama were to become president.

NO ONE in Congress or the media would dare to criticize or even question anything Obama said or did for fear of being labeled a “racist.”

Obama uses race as a CUDGEL with which to beat and subdue ALL criticism of him.

This is a very dangerous situation.

I am less afraid of a weak McCain presidency than I am of a President Obama who will not tolerate questioning of his actions and words.

Cool Hillary T Shirts!
Check over on the right column.

I agree with everything you say Larry and will be writing in Hillary (as it’s allowed in NC) as long as it still looks like McCain will take it here.

If for some reason the polls start showing up with OBISnot ahead? I’ll have to vote for a PUG for the first time ever.

Both being equally distasteful – I will plug my nose for McKook because he survived MUCH worse than Barry ever did and I give points for enduring adversity. BArry has had every advantage except for that which no one can ever give him. Legitimacy. It’s his demon to fight. NOT America’s.

I don’t know much about McCain and I’ve never voted Republican in my life. I will absolutely NOT vote for BO. Not only is he unqualified, inexperience and crooked, his treatment of Hillary and behavior during the primary lost me forever.

I’m concerned about national security, the economy, health care, etc, all those “mom” issues.

So who’s it gonna be? Maybe I’ll sit this one out.

Hillary is the only candidate I believe in.

Is Barack Obama actually a “liberal,” meaning he gives a damn about poor people, black people, blue-collar workers, and middle-class people?

No.

Eleven of slumlord Tony REZKO’s dilapidated and condemned housing units were in Barack Obama’s Illinois state senate district, but Obama “never” noticed.

Obama had helped REZKO to get state and federal loans to rehab buildings, BUT Obama “never” noticed the eleven REZKO-built, dilapidated, un-inhabitable buildings in his state senate district — these REZKO-built housing units were supposed to be for the benefit of the poor blacks Obama “claims” to give a hoot about.

Well, the sad fact is that Barack Obama much prefers hanging out with the rich and privileged power-brokers who have given him money and power … he does not give a fig about poor or working class people.

Not a fig.

In other words, Obama has gotten his, and the rest of us can go soak.

Does Obama give a fig about protecting a “woman’s right to choose”"

Let’s see …

As an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama took the coward’s way out and did not vote either “yes” or “no.” Instead, he voted “present” on seven abortion bills, including a ban on “partial birth abortion,” two parental notification laws and three “born alive” bills. In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions. http://www.illinoisnow.org

As I said: Obama has gotten his, and the rest of us can go soak.

mandelay, if you do choose to write in Clinton, PLZ MAKE SURE your state has provisions for this: some states give write-ins to the candidate of the same party whose name is on the ballot. Plainly, you don’t want to vote for Obummer. You can find out throught your state’s website or voter registration.

Your Whiteness is Showing:
An Open Letter to Certain White Women
Who are Threatening to Withhold Support From Barack Obama in November
By Tim Wise
June 5, 2008
You know who you are.
I know that it’s probably a bad time for this. Your disappointment at the electoral defeat of Senator Hillary Clinton is fresh, the sting is new, and the anger that animates many of you–who rightly point out that the media was often sexist in its treatment of the Senator–is raw, pure and justified.
That said, and despite the awkward timing, I need to ask you a few questions, and I hope you will take them in the spirit of solidarity with which they are genuinely intended. But before the questions, a statement if you don’t mind, or indeed, even if (as I suspect), you will mind it quite a bit.
First, for those of you threatening to actually vote for John McCain and to oppose Senator Obama, or to stay home in November and thereby increase the likelihood of McCain winning and Obama losing (despite the fact that the latter’s policy platform is virtually identical to Clinton’s while the former’s clearly is not), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and increase the odds of his winning (despite the fact that he once called his wife the c-word in public and is a staunch opponent of reproductive freedom and gender equity initiatives, such as comparable worth legislation), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and help ensure Barack Obama’s defeat, as a way to protest what you call Obama’s sexism (examples of which you seem to have difficulty coming up with), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
Your whiteness is showing.
Full letter: http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/WhitenessShowing.html

my post seems to have disappeared, like so many others. anyway, my basic point is that we’re being drawn into a trap.

obama and the dnc and pelosi and brazile and all the others are COUNTING ON us not being willing to vote mccain. they know that unless we vote mccain, obama will win. there are more dems than repubs, so all they need to do is get us to stay home, get high turnout from obama’s aa/youth/latte demographics, and he’ll win.

the only way to defeat him is to have enough of us vote for mccain, to raise the number of votes obama needs. all the other options won’t raise the number obama needs.

the whole point is, we’d like to have those other choices everyone mentions. but we don’t.

either obama or mccain will be elected. unless we want it to be obama, we need to vote mccain.

otherwise, we’ll be feeling good about ourselves for making a statement, by staying home, writing in hillary, voting third party, whatever, while we’re watching obama give an inauguration speech.

i’d rather feel bad about myself voting repub than “good” about myself if it means obama gets elected.

jmo.

tim wise can fuck off.

I have no illusions about McCain. My concern at this point is about putting the power that Bush has amassed in forwarding the Unitary Executive Theory into the hands of the people behind Barack Obama.

What these people were willing and able to do throughout this primary season gives me zero confidence that they would not use the power of the Unitary Executive to forward an agenda that is detrimental to the country.

McCain may be surrounding himself with bad neocons, but he has shown that he is his own man and he takes responsibility for his own actions and those of his campaign. Obama has not.

Larry, you know more about this than I do, and I’d be interested in your thoughts vis a vis the greater potential for harm.

i will not vote for the ‘slime’ candidate, and his
‘new take over the world politics’…

to write in hillarys name, is like voting for that
dingbat independant guy who always runs. its a wasted vote…

that pits obama straight up against mccain, i cant
take the chance, that obama might win that match up.
the one thing i do know, is that john mccain, is
human, barack obama; NOT SO MUCH…

and let me see here, mccain and his backup repugs/
or obama and his nation of chaos backup…
hhhmmmmmm

hard choice, but i think mccain comes out on top on
that one…

thank you frodo, i pass the test…
i will vote repug, and sail into the west later.

the more the assholes tell me I have to vote for Obama, the more committed I am to help him lose. If he’s the best the democratic party has to offer, then they made a big friggin mistake.

Good god man. Get a clue. Obama sucks.

Sounds like Mr. Wise is the racist here, not the ones not voting for Obama.

Well that was new… people who don’t vote for Obama are racist. yaaawwwwnnn.

lightacandle –

you are absolutely correct in your assesment of Obama — I have felt this about him from the beginning. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Anyone who trashes the record of good Democrats in favor of Reaganomics is no Democrat.

I would much rather take the devil I know than the devil I don’t.

Yes, the idea that democrats care so much for women is a joke, anyhow. In 2004 Dean took the Equal Rights Amendment out of the democrat platform to curry favor with repubs(the republicans took it out in 1980: it actually did used to have support among republicans).
Also, he attempted to recruit evangelicals falsely implying the democrat platform was against gay marriage.
No one needs any emindin of the misogyny and anti- white racism his campaign has unleashed.
I really dislike McCain, but he did not attempt to force Huckabee and Paul from the race in the manner that Obama did Clinton: this is definitely something to consider. He also did not steal other candidates’ delegates. Nor did he have as a campaign strategy a plan to intentionally keep American citizens’ votes from being counted toward the candidate for whom they voted.
I find it impossible to get past this. I frankly cannot imagine anything more unAmerican than this. This is before I even begin to factor in ties to Rezko, Ayres, Khalidi, Odinga, Alsammarae, Auchi, Wright, Pfleger, McClurkin, Frank Marshall Davis…
I’ve never voted Republican before and I had far rather vote for Clinton, but if she does not get the nomination, I see McCain as my only choice: becasue under no circumstance must Obama be allowed to become president.

You know, I have been giving this so much thought these past few days and I do believe you are right.
Stay home and you hand the election to Obama.
They, meaning Dean, Pelosi, Donna Brassiere and the gang that couldn’t shoot straight, the DNC are BANKING on us staying home. Why else the smug pronouncements that ‘WE” will eventually come home.
They are gambling that our revulsion of Republicans will override our revulsion of Obama.
I for one have not made my mind up yet. I do know I will note vote Obama.
I don’t like McCain but it is becoming increasingly clear to me that I need to make a choice. The devil I know or the demon I can live with. Either way, a choice MUST be made.

I am rather pissed that my Democratic Party has forced me into this position. Damned if I do and damn if I do not! ;-(

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m looking forward to seeing what goes down next Wednesday, when Larry Sinclair gives a press conference at the National Press Club so that he can share with the American people his and Barry’s alleged “relationship”.

As many of you probably know, this sordid rumor has been banteed about for months now and I would like to hear what Mr. Sinclair has to say publicly while standing before the cameras. He claims he spoke to Donald Young, the choir director of Obama’s church a day or so before he was murdered.

The question is whether Sinclair will actually go through with it or if some unforseen “delay” will suddenly come up, which would prevent him from doing so. If he does, it will be interesting to watch how the obama camp, the press and the public will react to his story. That is, of course, if he actually does make it to the NPC to give his press conference.

There is only one thing that could cause me to vote for McCain. Unfortunately that one thing is: Obama being the democratice appointee. I would be happy if somebody could give me a better choice. Like maybe, Clinton?

Ummmm… no. My intelligence is showing. Obama does not have the experience I REQUIRE to cast a vote for president. Plain and simple. If that is “whiteness” then so be it. Only thing is… I’m not white.

Donna Brazile said the Democratic Party no longer needs to rely on “white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.”

Kid Unity doesn’t need us anymore. He’s replacing us with an unholy alliance of religionistas.

“So, What’s Obama Going to Give Away to Conservative Religious Leaders [and Ken Starr proteges]“
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/so-whats-obama-going-to-give-away-to-conservative-religious-leaders/

Yes, I am a white woman who will vote for McCain.
If dems had wanted my vote so badly, they shouldn’t have tried to steal it, much less for a candidate of such unworthiness.
I’ve already changed my registration to independent.
But you know what Tim? Even if I were voting McCain out of revenge: THERE’S NOT ONE FREAKIN THING YOU COULD DO ABOUT IT.

This article abive, “Your Whiteness Is Showing,” is simply a long winded way to say:

If you don’t vote for Obama you’re a racist.

And this is supposed to sway Clinton voters?

LOL

My first choice – a new party with Hillary Clinton as the Presidential candidate. Since there is no movement in that direction, I will have to wait until November to decide what to do. These things I do know:

I cannot and will not vote for Obama. He is not the legitimate nominee. We all know all the reasons he should not become president, and I’m sure there are more to come.

I cannot support the Democratic Party, unless they see the light and nominate Hillary at the convention. The Party’s zealous disregard for democracy, and shameful and disrespectful treatment of one of their own and all those who support her, is very disturbing. Their willingness in Congress to disregard the will of the people and their own convictions for political expediency is disturbing.

I cannot write in Hillary’s name because my state requires she be registered. The vote will not count.

I may be able to vote for McCain. I will listen closely to him. I agree with the earlier post that the Democratic Congress will cancel out a Republican President.

I have never voted for a Republican and I do not support the Republican Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties look very much alike to me now, issues aside.

Now you see why my first preference is a viable third party. As it is now, I have no one to vote for in November.

Exactly.
Progressive Economist, Paul Krugman calls Obama’s health and economic plans Republican.

Larry,

I have noticed that Obama is blacker than either Hillary or McCain.

I agree that it is a lose-lose situation. I think Obama is – putting it mildly – ill-suited for the Presidency and I disagree with the vast majority of McCain’s policy positions. While I reserve the right to “go nuclear” and vote for McCain if pushed hard enough, were the election held today, I would choose to write-in a candidate (either Hillary or simply “vote of no confidence”). One thing I refuse to do is stay home on election day, no matter how much the Obamaheads want me to.

R. Samuelson has an interesting piece in Newsweek.

He states that both Obama and McCain have faults and that it never works well for us citizens when one party controls both the White House and Congress, i.e. George Bush.

Samuelson suggests a “McBama” government, democratic congress and McCain in the White House.

McCain is no fool, he is pandering to win the election. He has said he will be a one term president there is a good chance he will revert to his maverick side.

Having a temper is hardly a reason to disqualify someone from holding office, Bill Clinton has a temper “Ike” was notorious for his temper. Hey, I’ve got a temper, how about you?

At one of the most critical times our country faces I will take the experienced candidate over one with NO experience at all in governing ANYTHING. Obama is completely brain dead on the intricacies of dealing with foreign problems, environmental issues, financial concerns, military issues and he made NO effort to educate himself before running for the presidency.

His inadequacy in all affairs in government certainly is evident in his choice of those who advise him on these issues. He has extremely bad judgement even in seeking out those whom he can use to promote himself….many who will come back to haunt him in the general election.

DAMN, we so need Hillary!!! Will she keep her delegates until the convention? Can we help her?

another point about obama – if we allow him to win, he’ll have virtually complete control over how the democratic primaries are run in 2012 – which, of course, means that he’ll make sure they’re run like this year, to benefit him, except even more so.

if mccain has control of how the 2012 republican primaries are run – who cares!

I agree. I have never missed voting in an election, and I’m not going to sit this one out.

June 11, 2008
Categories: Campaigns

Clyburn shrugs off rumors of Clinton backlash
House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) shrugged off speculation Wednesday that he may have drawn the ire of former President Bill Clinton during the long battle for the Democratic presidential nomination, telling Politico that if he were persona non grata in the Clinton camp, he certainly didn’t know it.

“I haven’t gotten any signals from [Bill Clinton],” Clyburn said in a brief interview. “Nothing I can recognize. [But] I am not as astute politically as a lot of people think I am.”

On Tuesday, a New York Times article suggested that Clyburn part of an informal “enemies” list of prominent Obama supporters who may have adversely affected Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) presidential campaign.

Clinton supporters vehemently deny that such a list exists, even informally.

Still, The Times article suggested that several prominent politicians who supported Obama should think twice before asking the 42nd president for any favors, though the newspaper did not list any specific ways in which the Clintons might seek retribution or freeze out other Democrats.

“Afraid of what?” Clyburn said with a laugh when asked if he was afraid of any backlash from Bill Clinton.
Clyburn waited until the very end of the primary campaigns to formally endorse the Illinois senator. But, privately, many Clinton supporters suspected Clyburn was neutral in name only.

Obama beat Clinton in Clyburn’s native South Carolina 55 percent to 27 percent.

Clyburn, however, dismissed any speculation that he may be shut out from the former president in the future, though he admitted that even if he were, he might be the last to know.

“Maybe I have gotten signals about being on his enemies list,’’ Clyburn suggested, “and I didn’t recognize them.”

I thought you guys would find this interesting. i do believe some people are now worried that they crossed our Girl!

We are going to have an Obambi Presidency or a Mccain. I will sleep better with Mccain in office. I will not sit out as the DNC would hope, I will for the first time be voting Republican. We do not have the leisure to sit out this election it is too huge.

I am currently reading a book AHMADINEJAD about the radical Iranian President. He came into power by registering dead people to account for 6 million votes, one person voted 11 times. That was to get him to the second runoff election. The left was split between the two candidates Rafsanjani (less radical but of the right) and Ahmadinejad who is far right hardliner. Some people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Rafsanjani so they sat out. Well you know how it ends Ahmadinejad wins the election with his coalition and takes Iran on a course that has isolated them from the rest of the world with his radical right agenda.

I say this is an example of what can happen in this country if people feel they can simply sit out this election and not vote. This is one of the most important elections we will have and I refuse to stay home and give my country away to a radical left agenda. I don’t feel I have the choice but to vote for my country and that is a vote for John Mccain.

The reality is- there is no choice that allows a voter not to be involved. Staying home only allows the winner to be the winner. There are only two choices on the ballot and one will win. Every American ought to give thought and choose the best of the two choices, or the lesser of two evils, if you prefer. Either way, this country will be run by one of them. Don’t waste your vote.
You will not stop an unacceptable candidate unless you vote against him, plain and simple.

Hillary would have been the best choice, but we were hosed by the DNC.

McCain is a far better choice than Obambi. At least McCain thinks for himself. McCain hs stood up to his own party and the President.

There are not many Democrats or Republicans who have the political or moral courage to do that. Obambi will do whatever Axelrod an Pelosi tell him to do.

If Obambi is the DNC’c Final Answer, then we need to oust their asses come November. The only way to get political justice is in the voting booth.

If we elect Obambi, the DNC will be empowered to dictate whatever they want to us, and will give us any candidat they feel like.

it makes me angry too! I came back to D for Al Gore. I just can’t suffer or pity or make excuses for them anymore.

proudly unaffiliated
no longer a proud Democratic voter

Hillary, don’t humiliate yourself working for these hoodwinkers!!

If they don’t have one, I sure do!

Who the hell is Tim Wise? Is your Blackness showing? Do you support Obama ONLY because he is black, as most African Americans did? Does it even occur to you that the anti-Obama camp are so partly because of his rather flimsy record on reproductive rights in the IL Senate? Of course not. Have you asked why he would meet with major Evangelical leaders? He had the opportunity to vote on legislation regarding reproductive rights, but true to form did not take a stand and voted ‘present’. This was not for any other reason than to later be able to tell the faith based voters that he never voted pro-abortion or pro choice. Give me a break! I am sick to death of you Obamabots constantly trying to use the race card whenever you don’t get what you want. Maybe you feel guilty about the slave owning ancestors in your family tree, I sure don’t since I never had any that did. Maybe YOU feel guilty for treating African Americans poorly in your past. I don’t because I have always treated everyone with the respect they deserve as human beings, unless they show me otherwise through their actions or words. Respect is something most Obama supporters know nothing about. We should vote for a man who showed so little respect for his female competition that he never once publically told his supporters that the verbal abuse of Sen Clinton was unacceptable? His silence fueled it. Do you really think we are that stupid that we didn’t realize that the Obama campaign was pushing the race card as you are now? Those of us that will continue to NOT support Obama are from all ethnic, religious, genders and socio-economic backgrounds. We do so because we firmly believe that his elevation was pre-determined by the ‘creative wing’ of the DNC and that his election would be a disaster for this country. He is a creation of probably the best marketing/advertising campaign in the history of politics and it began in 2004.

And the psychological pressure from the
global press cannot be ignored.

It has been well co-ordinated.

See here:

http://www.usafricaonline.com/news.html

and here:

http://www.usafricaonline.com/chido.obama08houston.html

If Hillary is not the candidate, I’m voting for McCain. He is right of center, just as Hillary is left of center. I’m a moderate. Obama is way far left. In addition to issues, I vote on character. In that regard, McCain looks so much better than Obama/Wright/Pfleger/Rezko.

If McCain would listen maybe he’d get some support, but he rubber stamped the DeLay 109th Congress for Bush a bit too much to come back.

If these originalists really wanted the Constitution upheld they’d diqualify Cheney by challenge in court and replace him with the man who got the second most votes for President.

Then with VP John Kerry you could have actual impeachment proceedings agaisnt his Skull and Bones partner, as if…

So much for ‘originalism’ in the new model.

Abraham Lincoln had a reputation for Honesty.
Barack Obama?
Lincoln was a profoundly deep thinker.
Could you imagine him flipping his opponent the bird?

Obama is much closer in spirit to George W. Bush.

“In those heady days after the U.S. ouster of Afghanistan’s Taliban regime, McCain hailed “a new American internationalism” designed “to end safe harbor for terrorists anywhere, to aggressively target rogue regimes that threaten us with weapons of mass destruction, and to consolidate freedom’s gains through institutions that reflect our values.”

I find nothing wrong with this policy, and any one who give a rat’s crack about the security of our country and the world should not take issue with this either.

Aggressively targeting Iran and other nations that support terrorism and are bent on destroying the US and Israel is the right thing to do. Period.

I trust McCain to go about that in a much different manner than did Bush.

I do not trust Obambi, Pelosi and Carter to stand up to rogue nations and keep our country safe.

I don’t get the birth certificate thing.
Isn’t he required to present his birth certificate to prove he is who he says he is, that his birthday is correct, and that he’s a US citizen? Which, apparently, according to what was posted here earlier, he may not be, since he was born out of the country and his mother was only 18, which didn’t meet the requirement for citizenship. How can he have the choice about showing it?
Larry, can you write about this, and what can we do to demand he produce it? Birth certificate has to be required.
I’m hoping he’s not a legitimate nominee.
I agree that our choices are despicable. I’m still hoping we can have the great president.

Leave it to Obama to play the race card
every chance he can.

Remember when he piously said his campaign
would “transcend race”?
Just more rhetoric.

I can’t and I won’t change my mind about my vote. As it stands today, my vote is and will stay for John McCain – it’s the ANTI-OBAMA VOTE!

UNLESS the Democratic Party changes its VOTES and pulls the illegitimate nominee Big Brown (the O-loser) out of the running I’m voting straight anti-democrat _ I’m out to teach a lesson here. I hope others will join me. As I see it, we don’t have a choice but to hold the Party’s leaders feet to the fire and hold them accountable for such a horrible selection. That simple.

I feel that this country will be much better off with McCain in the White House than having to take any chances on the un-tested little brat Obama.

I cannot stand Obsmear’s surrogates, supporters, and the new everyone just get in line democrats who blindly want to try and elect the worst less qualified un-vetted democrat ever. And with Wright, Rev.z-KO, the Weather Underground, Ayers – and Jesus, what a catastophic blunder this Senator pick is… Should I mention that I can hardly stand dealing with the Obama gang arrogance now as it is and it’s pervasive in his surrogates and supporters.

I can’t forgive nor forget. I get even by voting for McCain. He’s less devil that I know and can live with. I will not stay home nor write in Hillary( unless she’s the nominee),cuz’ I want to make sure he’s defeated. If McCain won, Hillary can revive her candidacy and will be difficult for Obama to come back because nobody believes him anymore. A vote for him signals your alliance for Democratic Party’s corrupt practices that was blatantly exposed in this primary. It’s no longer the peoples right or the will to elect their candidate but rather the chosen few to “anoint”.

My position is that it’s nobody’s business. LOL* I’ll vote my conscience, after I get a chance to hear all the candidates and give them a fair listen. Who knows? Maybe Obama will actually straighten up and manage to impress me somehow.

So far, no go on Obama. He’s too wishy-washy. Today’s remark about how Johnson doesn’t work for him and, thus, didn’t need to be considered a part of his team floored me. That’s exactly the type of irresponsibility I think we’d see in him as a president.

But…I’m with Larry on one thing. I’m a liberal, and I’m not going to be comfortable with a right-wing blog. So I hope the tone doesn’t change into race-baiting and all that garbage.

I doubt that Bill will do them any favors. However, I doubt they will be asking for any, too. The whole point was to bash his value within the party, wasn’t it?

I think it’s important to vote down ticket for Dems. That way Congress can keep McCain in check. That way nothing much good will happen, but hopefully they will keep him from anything terrible.
With Obama as pres, I’m afraid this Obama worshipping party will not check or balance him at all. And he is so power hungry he is dangerous. In addition to his inexperience and general incompetence.
I’m leading toward McCain, mainly to stop the takeover of the Dem Party, to bring about an overhaul and reality check for them, to get rid of Brazile, and because I don’t like stealing elections. For that reason, I consider Obama a criminal. A criminal should not be POTUS.

I hope he’s watching his back. :/

University of Iowa students, Hillary supporters, are supporting McCain.
http://clintondems.com/2008/06/u-of-iowa-clinton-backers-endorse-mccain-mckinney/

Even for those who find mcCain distasteful,

remember it is not McCain vs. nobama you are voting for,

It is

4 years of McCain (McCains main weakness is age and he will be already the oldest inauguarated prez – on par with reagan’s second inauguration.) He is in no position to go a second term.

vs.

8 yrs of nobama
(and possibly even end of our party and nation as we and our parents have known it.)

Last 4 years I have had a fear at the back of my mind that the neocons may declare marshall law and postpone elections indefinitely.

That may still happen but now seems unlikely. However, a new fear is that what is to prevent this hooligan and his thugs from creating rigged riots and such and justify a dicatorship claiming as reparation for all those slaves went through god knows when.

He will almost certainly rig the elections in 2012 and Hillary has no chance of coming back if he is elected once. Hillary will almost certainly be back if he loses against McCain, as was said during Larry’s Interview on radio, “if you don’t believe that I’ve some bridges to sell you”

People who talk about issues, do you really believe what this buffoon says? He changes positions every day to suit the situation.
800 billion for Africa? Slaughter of the Israeli people? Is that how we stand by our friends?

Have you seen the video when he was asked what he would do if he is woken up at 3 AM and told that Al Qaeda has hijacked 2 planes and are headed towards the capital. The reply expected something like this: Shoot the planes down away from populated areas and that go to Homeland Security with a meat ax and fix what went wrong.

This buffoon kept on saying wishywashy things that did not make sense such as he would like to gather all the evidence. At 3 AM, while the planes are heading to a heavily populated city? Is he for real or is he some sort of a mole that cannot bring himself to say that he will cut short even an imaginary jihadi attack.

I read an arabic fable called Alibaba and 40 thieves a long time ago, In the last part the enemy comes disguised as a friend but suspicion rises because he would not eat salt or break bread with the protagonist. That interview when nobama could not bring himself to say that he would shoot down the terrorist controlled planes, eerily brought a shiver up my spine.

Hey you know what?

Its nice to be on a blog with a bunch of people from all accross this country who are of like minds.

Today – after a short chat with my 87 year old Mother about her idea of staying home and not voting this year. She isn now happily going to give an ANTI-OBAMA vote for McCain! For the first time in her entire life she will vote for a Republican. Her Daddy was a Democrat too. And now CNN Donna (Brazile) doesn’t need or want her vote anyway.

How about your parents – Who are they voting for?

My son will be voting Obama, for sure. I bet my brother and sis-in-law will go McCain. Just a guess….

true, but if obama loses in the general, he will be totally devalued in the party, as will pelosi, dean, kerry, and all the other idiots who forced him on us.

hillary will be sitting there as the one everyone knows would have won. she will have all the power.

and she will run and win in 2012.

then the jerks who treated her like shit this year will realize their mistake – lots of dems will get jobs in hillary’s administration/cabinet, but those jerks sure won’t.

of course, all of this depends on mccain winning. otherwise, obama will get in for 8 years, the dem party will be ruined, and all the worst jerks will have more power than they ever dreamed of.

So far I’m planning on skipping the Pres vote.
It won’t make any difference here (AR).
We will go McCain, or Hillary! OBambi? No way.

whoever said upthread, we have no choice we must elect Hillary!! Lets hire Rove to get that done!! But seriously, what are we to do?? I will not vote for Bambi under any circumstances, I am a Catholic, and not the Father Pfleger type either! I guess we could cast a vote for Nader, but in the end who would that help???

OK, I get it. Well, I doubt there’s a list. I’m sure she has the names imprinted on her brain forever, eh? LOL*

I can tell you who won’t be a player. Richardson.

Ah, Patti!

I’m in a crucial state. If I don’t vote for McCain, I might as well be voting for Barry. I had decided not to vote for Obama under no circumstances about four months ago. I am taking a wait and see attitude where it comes to actually voting. With electronic voting, you can’t really write in Clinton. You would have to leave it blank if you want to participate in the local elections. Blank can be made into a vote for Obama as we learned from the DNC.

As it is, those fruckers at the helm can’t guarantee me that it was not MY VOTE they halved. That is unconstitutional. If it isn’t, it should be.

Is there a lawyer in the house? The charge is that the State and DNC cannot guarantee who’s vote they gave to Obama. Without the voter’s consent, how can they appropriate their vote?

So make extra pop corn just in case.

I’ll vote for McCain but only because he’s not Obama, but…

I despise him because of his support of corporatism, his nasty elitist attitude towards working class Americans and having Carly Fiorina as a economic adviser.

Yeah the female “wrecking ball of HP” and Lucent. She ought to be hanging from chains in Gitmo not advising a presidential candidate how to gang rape the American worker for fun and profit.

What kind of moral idiot hires her?

Then there’s his temper. Several times he mocked American workers as lazy and greedy. And when called on it, he exploded.

Furthermore there is his support for open borders, unlimited “free” trade, more H1-B workers, labor arbitrage in general.

Put it this way, if you’re not in the top 20% income bracket you don’t want McCain. He’s poison for the rest of us.

Lastly because of his hostility to American working and middle-class, not to mention his utter lack of understanding whats going on economically I think a lot of white working class and middle-class folks will stay home.

War hero and pro-American my ass.

How sad for you. Have you not discussed the dangers of Obama with your son?

What?

You’re leaving the democtatic party to vote for McFool? Ok, go ahead; don’t let the door knob hit you in the ass on the way out!

The polls are looking better and better for nominee Obama; he is still raising crazy amounts of money and registering many many new voters.

Obama has ground forces in all fifty states, raring to go! He WILL win, with or without YOU!

So, vote for the reTHUGlicans, or stay home…but shut up your stupid whining. Hillary is not and will not be the democratic nominee, get it!

Hillary will not make a third-party run…it would be political suicide and she knows it.

You people crack me up – LOSERS!

Paladin

Larry you said: “But that does not mean that John McCain is necessarily a superior choice.” and I agree with you I am not voting for the “superior choice” but I do intend to vote. And if it is between McCain and Obama my only choice is to vote for McCain. And I do intend to vote for McCain if he is the only other choice….not for Obama.

Sad? I respect his right to his opinion. I was pleased he voted for Hillary in the primary.

No, I would never argue with anyone about their choice. I don’t think that’s right.

We do discuss various issues. He’s not an Obamabot.

Yes, this is the only action we can take, until the put Clinton back on the top of the ticket.

Well, we could put the bumper sticker on and not worry about getting our car keyed. LOL* We could brag that we voted Green to our friends.

How bout Libertarian?

am not particularly pro-mccain. am just virulently anti-obama. and realize that voting mccain is the only way to prevent obama’s election.

but re top 20% bracket – obama has tax plans that hurt us non-20%ers even worse. especially his fica and his capital gains tax increase plans, which are set to screw over the middle class.

jmo.

I’m voting for McCain. I was not happy when Bush won (or stole) the election in 2000, but I never imagined what a disaster he would be as President and how much harm he could do to the country in so short a time. I am casting my vote so as to do my utmost to keep Obama from having the opportunity to do the same.

The parallels between Bush and Obama are many, strong, and frightening; and I won’t list them here, but between the two presumptive nominees McCain is the lesser of two evils. By this time we pretty much know what to expect from him, but the only thing we know for sure about Obama is that even for a politician he is exceptionally untrustworthy, untruthful, and vindictive. Even now he can’t seem to bring himself to call off his dogs and end the Hillary bashing.

I don’t know who would end up governing if Obama won — himself, Michelle, the Illinois combine, some of Obama’s other unsavory associates like Rezko, Auchi or Farrakhan; or maybe it would be the group of losers who couldn’t win the Presidency themselves and have pushed Obama forward like a demented group of stage mothers trying to finally achieve their ambition through the Precious One. McCain’s maverick image may be mostly hype, but he does seem to be his own man, with more substance than Obama, who seems to have no substance or principles or strongly held beliefs at all.

Neither will I be swayed by policy arguments — Obama’s policies are just more words; and they are about as reliable as his promises to the Maytag workers, his promises re Exelon, his many stances on the Iraq war, NAFTA, and all the other instances of flip-flopping, backtracking and outright lying we have seen in his relatively short but painful political career. I know politicians lie, but I won’t vote for one that I cannot believe anything at all they say. At the end of the day, in spite of my disagreements with McCain, I still believe he wants to do what is best for the country; I think Obama only thinks of himself and what he can get out of it.

that would help obama.

any non-mccain vote helps obama.

that’s what they’re counting on.

Wait til November we will be getting the last laugh!

Hillary or McCain….

Handing the keys to Barack Hussein Obama is like handing the keys to your new Corvette to your 16 year old that just got their license. You know its going to hurt.

“I think a lot of white working class and middle-class folks will stay home.”
You could lock yourself in a closet or hide out in a bunker , but one of these two candidates WILL WIN this election.
Americans need to take some responsibility.

“War hero and pro-American my ass.”
You may disagree with his policies, you may not like the way he looks or chews his food. But you are crossing the line when you smear another human being who has risked his life for you to have the right to utter the nonsense that you do.

Saying thank you would be enough.

Anee…was that for me?

I’m laughing at you NOW, and will STILL be laughing in November!

You deserve your situation…

Paladin

I thought he was supposed to be leading by double digits since we have the least popular President in office since Nixon. The Republicans should be begging for mercy, and Obama’s getting his ass beat like a rented mule. If he was so great, you wouldn’t miss these Hillary votes. You had to be assholes, though. You’re still assholes; you can’t help it. Now you’re loser assholes. HA HA HA I love when men who beat up on women get what’s coming to them.

Stray…

So, hand the corvette keys to your senile seventy-one (71) year old crazy grandfather!

Fool!

Paladin

obots are the reason many of us won’t put hillary (or now mccain) signs in our lawns or stickers on our cars. so they think they’re going to win.

and the in-the-tank pollsters obambi pays for slant questions to get the answers they want and put out their lies. so they think they’re going to win.

however, voting is done quietly and they can’t intimidate us as we vote.

so we vote mccain in november, obama loses, and people like paladin don’t know what hit them.

then they move on to whatever their next losing effort is. maybe some of them even get jobs and move out of mom’s basement.

I want to vote for Senator Clinton for President, so I can write the word with a capital letter again. It doesn’t look like I will be able to, barring a dead-girl-or-live-boy scenario. It sure as hell isn’t the first time that my dream candidate didn’t get the nomination. So how should I vote in November?

Hate to break it to you, folks, but McCain is not “his own man” nor is he a “straight talker.” Screwed, blued and tattooed by the RoveBush machine in 2000, he carried Dubya’s water in November 2000 and 2004. He’s the one politician in this contest that truly will do anything to win, including reversing his position on torturing prisoners. A victim of torture who was unalterably opposed to it flip-flopped simply to win a few more voters. Add to that the fact that the next president will be appointing at least one and likely two Supreme Court Justices, and it boils down to keeping the GOP out of the White House. I’m not as confident as some here that the invertebrate Democratic Senate would reject another Thomas or Scalia. The first thing I want to see from health-care reform is free spine transplants for Democratic Congresscritters.

Yes, it’s likely that BO will make mistakes, and probably some serious ones. Yes, Hillary is the best person for the job. Yes, the tactics and the character of Barack Obama are odious. Yes, my state will probably go Democratic in November, so I won’t have to make a difficult decision. If my state is close, I will vote against John McCain, because I think he’s the worse of the two choices. If my state is not close, I’ll write in Cthulhu, because I’m tired of voting for the lesser evil all the time.

Paladin,
Are you even eligible to vote?
You misunderstand any relevance the polls may have. Obama is tied in a cycle in which the Dems should be obliterating the Repubs. He has spent more money than any candidate and can’t buy enough votes even with the 24 hour media singing his praises.
Furthermore, the more people know about Obama, the more votes he loses. It’s only a matter of time.

Don’t just talk about it…hell, do it!

There are NOT enough of you to do what you want to do. You are too wide-spread and powerless to affect the outcome of the general election. i know it, and you know it. Pity party over!

No Hillary will NOT be the nominee…no matter how hard you wish for it.

Mad now?

Good!

Paladin

When you have to spend 4 times the amount of money and still lose as he did in PA, then you better have a lot of money. *haha

Neither of them is the right choice..since both are bad..I will take Mccain…ANY DAY over Barack

So true. A clear majority in both houses will keep McCain in check–especially if they can override a presidential veto. But I think McCain might surprise us, actually. He’s doing and saying what he has to now to be elected presided, but since he will be a one -term president, he may work with Dems to get us out of the mess we’re in. Also, I’m hoping he will exact a little bit of revenge on Bush, et al., for the way they campaigned against McCain for the presidential nomination in 2000.

sweetie, we will do it.

and you might want to study up a little. half the population is female. many of us can’t stand the sight of obambi.

and a far higher percent of the population are older than younger. and many of us can’t stand the sight of obambi.

obots have this silly idea that the general election battle will resemble the primary election battle.

as someone who was SURE mcgovern would win, i can empathize with the ignorant ones. however, mcgovern got 17 electoral votes. i learned. obambi’s followers will learn as well.

It’s all politics and they are all politicians. We can start there.

Obama is BS’ing to get in the WH. McCain is BS’ing to get in the WH.

I know that Obama is a liar with criminal ties. He is not just BS’ing about politics to get in the WH.

I know McCain is a highly decorated Vietnam Prison of War Veteran. I do not know McCain to be a liar other than for political reasons (expected in my book) and with his long history of public service and no criminal investigation AND A REPUBLICAN (heh) I say he is a rare Bird (snappy salute!).

My litmus test for President is whether or not I believe the person to love their country above party and personal gain.

How can a person best prove their love of country above party and self? A military career answers that question tout sweet!

We can then discuss the issues after that. If I can trust a man’s honor and love of country, I can trust he will make decent decisions.

To all you nay sayers I say two words: Ronald Reagan. I am old enough to remember all the old jokes and lack of trust. But he proved a Patriotic Old Fool. I’m not down with all things Ronnie peoples, so spare me the bullet points on his faults. Just saying that even when mistakes are made, so long as that person’s heart is in the right place, I can try to trust that.

GW’s heart is orbiting Uranus. McCain would never had taken us into a made up war. And I happen to agree with what he says where this is concerned. Just because the Village Idiot put us in Iraq doesn’t mean we have to run out of there like the rest of the Village Idiots.

I have no qualms about voting for McCain.

Bingo!

When was the las time you saw a guy from the winning team drive over to the loser’s team area to demean them?

What did you think of that guy?

Yeah. Me too.

His polls suck.

He was expected to get a double-digit bounce when declared presumptive nominee.

Two weeks ago he was at best 3 points ahead of McCain (Depending on the poll).

Today he’s 6-points ahead.

That’s a pathetic 3-point increase.

With a 4-point margin of error it may be no increase at all.

Your O-bah-ma is in trouble.

so saddened….

McGovern, McGovern? Stop living in the damn past!

Modern media, fund raising and voter registration techniques void all of those old models. Angry, overly emotional females like YOU are not the norm, trust me! (thank GOD)

Vote ReTHUGlican, or sit at home….the Democratic Party DOES NOT CARE.

WE DO NOT NEED YOU! You never were real democrats, you were simply Clinton worshipers.

Dismissed, be gone!

Paladin

lol!

My big problem with Obama is, what the hell does he believe in?

He flip flops on positions faster than he can get the words out of his mouth.

He belonged to a church for 20 years, nearly half of his adult life, but now says he does not agree with the fundamental tenants of that church. He said he could not disown his Pastor, but then did just that.

He belongs to the Democratic Party, but how do we know if he believes the tenants of the Party?

He claims to be a Patriot, but how do we know?

If he could belong to and attend a church for 20 years, call the Pastor his spiritual mentor, get married there, and have his children baptized there, but later claim he does not have the same values as those espoused by the church, how can we know if he really is a Democrat, and how can we know if he really is a Patriot?

Personally, I do not want to wait for Obama to throw the county and all of us under the bus because we are suddenly no longer convenient to him.

Check this out I love it!!!

http://clintondems.com/2008/06/u-of-iowa-clinton-backers-endorse-mccain-mckinney/

I live in Florida — McCain will win Florida.

So my vote won’t change anything.

I’m voting McCain to increase the win he will get anyway becauseI want to stick it to the DNC.

This a “Democratic” year. The year a Democart was destined to win.

Drunk with the possibility, Brazile & Dean overplayed their hand by running Obama.

Seriously — when I listened to Howard and Donna, I see two people under the illusion they are smarter than they actually are.

This is a lethal combination.

http://clintondems.com/2008/06/called-a-racist-againway-to-woo-me-jerk/

I agree with that characterization, and I agree that it generally precedes a big fall.

Good for him! Into action…..:)

I tried to post this earlier in the day, but the posting failed.

Larry, if I understand you correctly, you will vote third-party, write-in Hillary’s name if that is allowed in your state, or not vote for President. No BO and No JohnnyMac. I respect your site immensely and your tremendous research efforts; you have been in the forefront in exposing the fraud and corruption that has been our current politics.

But third parties or staying home are a problem. In my memory of history, except for the Civil War era, third parties have not been successful in creating a new, powerful party. The American Constitution is “biased” towards a two-party system. Third parties have only taken reform energy out of the party that was deeply divided. And they usually caused a lesser candidate to be elected — except for Bill Clinton, of course. Theodore Roosevelt’s run on the Progressive Bull Moose ticket in 1912 destroyed the reform element in the Republican Party for almost a century. A “third party” is what destroyed Gore and gave us Bush.

This case is a little different. McCain has been a more centrist Republican, even though also conservative. Hillary is more of a centrist Democrat. He has many faults, but he only got “religion”, so to speak, after his defeat in 2000 — he bit the bullet and supported Bush, the neocons, and made-up somewhat with the social conservatives. Now he is his party’s candidate. If he had left for a third party, the Repubs would have had no one that centrists could trust in some matters.

In this case, the Republicans are in such shambles that if you do not (I understand, cannnot) vote McCain, you are likely to be party to BO’s election. Only a coalition of centrists and other Republicans can defeat BO. If BO wins, Hillary becomes eliminated as a serious Democratic Party power– unless BO brings down the U.S.

Think on this matter very carefully. We are in dangerous times. Note how many of us are urging you to be very thoughtful about your decision.

Obama’s polls suck.

In spite of all you list.

He gained only 3 extra points ahead of McCain after becooming the presumptive nominee?

Even after all the advantages you listed?

Dream on.

As a self-identified Chicana with working class roots and feminist leanings Tim Wise’s (an ironic name!) post exemplifies the arrogance, blindness and stupidity of the Obamatan cult.

HRC’s coalition spans the working and middle classes of Hispanics, Asians, SE Asians, African Americans, Native American, Caucasions; it spans the likes of women, men, gays, and straights; and the young, middle-aged, and old.

To reduce the movement to that of aspiring to “whiteness” misses HRC’s movement altogether!

Drunk with the possibility is so true.

Read this prophetic piece dated August 7,2007 by Harold Ford, Chairman of the Democratic leadership Committee.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=110&subid=65&contentid=254410.

fuck off, paladin. the not real democrats line, again! obots are so damn unoriginal.

btw, obot, we real democrats ARE the ones that were supporting mcgovern. and humphrey. and all the rest. our party has perfected the art of picking losers.

and we respect hillary. but we do not worship her.

i find it funny you mention media, fund raising, and voter registration techniques – obambi’s manipulation of all of the above has been quite effective, in the primary campaign. again, general elections are different.

it’s not our job to educate you – we will let you learn from harsh experience. (which was the purpose of the mcgovern reference, to try to help you learn from past dem mistakes. but those who are unwilling to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it).

bye, obot, no more time wasted on you.

I agree. This business of making the problem, the “women’s” issue begs the question.

He’s got a very weak coalition. How will he bridge to the groups you mentioned and more? He tried in the primries and really got very little for his effort.

What will have changed? Party loyalty?

The Latino coalition isn’t opposed to voting Republican. We know that.

They must be thinking everyone is so mad at Bush that McCain will be rejected, too. Possibly, but Obama isn’t all that attractive as an alternative.

But then, I think Wright killed his candidacy. Nobody is acknowledging yet. But he’s gone.

Two scary candidates.

Eeney, Meeney, Miney, Moe… I’m voting McCain. At least he’s a war hero and has served his due diligence, albeit GOP servitude. There is no way I will vote Obama. Going into that booth and pulling the lever for McCain is going to kill me, but it’s the only option I see in heading The Radical One off at the pass and rejecting the DNC and MSM lies, propaganda and theft.

Donna Brazile & Co. said they don’t need my vote, they think they’ll win without the South (‘rots o’ ruck, Space Cadets), and being a female, blue-collar gal, I intend to comply with their wishes. I’m sure not one to wear out my welcome.

Hillary Clinton is my choice. If, by some miracle, she wins the nomination, I will work my heart out for her. But NObama, never, never, never. If he was the only candidate in the race (like in Illinois) – I would still not vote for him.

wow, prophetic indeed.

too bad ford, jr., didn’t run.

Opander and his bitter half, Michelle, will not be measuring for new drapes in the White House.

Ouch!

This is getting too vulgar for me, I think now would be a good time for me to leave.

Best wishes and good day to all.

Paladin

This letter is standard Obama/Marxist troll crap. It was up here the other day. I wrote a long response to it and now it here again.

So, today here is the short version

F*CK OFF TIM

Does anyone have Tim’s address?

JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

NO OBAMA/MARXIST
MCCAIN 2008 or until Hillary rises

omg! this is downright scary!

haven’t seen it – do you know where i could find it?

thousands of people could die by his stupidity. or maybe it’s not stupidity – maybe he’s unwilling to shoot down terrorists?

Yes, Paladin – run away. Run away.

Report back to Obama Central, “The peasants are uprising! What to do! What to do!”

yep. me too.

not exactly an effective persuasive technique, is it?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=35908626

Gosh, he was right on the money!

I’m very torn at this point. The more I read about McCain the less I can stomach the thought of him as POTUS. Obama makes me ill also. You are right Larry in that we have a rotten couple to choose between. It is disgusting. Hillary Clinton is my choice. She is the best person to deal with this country’s extremely serious issues.

This feels like a nightmare election year.

Sp prohetic. Quoting from the article linked above:

The temptation to ignore the vital center is nothing new. Every four years, in the heat of the nominating process, liberals and conservatives alike dream of a world in which swing voters don’t exist. Some on the left would love to pretend that groups such as the Democratic Leadership Council, the party’s leading centrist voice, aren’t needed anymore.

But for Democrats, taking the center for granted next year would be a greater mistake than ever before.

paladin had to run because we challenged him.

obots can’t handle challenges.

they only know how to speak bot.

and tell us we’re old, useless, powerless, not needed, etc., of course.

but that’s part of speaking bot anyway.

I don’t agree with you Pieter, I think you will realize over next few months which is the worse evil.

But, it was good to see some one who read Lovecroft.

Upon further review, John McCain is the only logical choice. I agree with Larry on McCain, but what are our choices if Hillary is not the Democratic candidate? With McCain, you have someone who is pro America, not so with Obama. The Democratic congress will watch McCain like a hawk but will probably let Obama do whatever he wants, kind of like the Repubs did with George W. We have all seen the poor judgements Obama has made. If he is President with a compliant congress, God help us all. A write in vote for Hillary is a vote for Obama. Let us not forget 2000 and Ralphy boy.

My parents both passed away in the last five years. But, as life long yellowdog democrats who helped build and support the “old” democrats for three generations, I will be voting for McCain for them.

I will not let the party be stolen by people who are not representative of real democrat values.

I would rather cut off my index finger than vote for Obama/Marxist.

JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

NO OBAMA/MARXIST
MCCAIN 2008 or until Hillary rises

Your depictions of McCain seem to be pretty cliche.
I’m worried that the MSM is doing the same thing to McCain they did to Hillary. Obama, despite his skimpy experience and lack of accomplishments has put together a marketing campaign as savvy and successful as Spongebob Squarepants. It’s up to the People to demand real content. Then we can actually compare these two.

Tried to post this earlier but I guess it got lost.
Here’s my suggestion.
We all switch our party affiliation to Independent (no party affiliation, not the Independent American party,) notify the DNC, and then sit this one out.
On election day we could have a nation-wide series of tailgate parties at govenment buildings (federal, state and local) and watch reruns of political movies like The Manchurian Candidate and Dr. Strangelove on huge JumboTrons.
Then we could switch to election night coverage during beer runs, and watch the talking heads talk to politicians talking to each other about what went wrong.
The talking heads could ask the politicians who they voted for and use their answers as an exit poll and talk about that.
When everybody’s good and drunk we would all go home and sleep it off.
Like babies.
In the morning we would wake up to a whole new world.
Or the same old crap.
Either way, I’d feel a lot better about the process.

Comment by Johnny at Work | 2008-06-11 23:04:05

Hillary would have been the best choice, but we were hosed by the DNC.

McCain is a far better choice than Obambi. At least McCain thinks for himself. McCain hs stood up to his own party and the President.

There are not many Democrats or Republicans who have the political or moral courage to do that. Obambi will do whatever Axelrod an Pelosi tell him to do.

If Obambi is the DNC’c Final Answer, then we need to oust their asses come November. The only way to get political justice is in the voting booth.

If we elect Obambi, the DNC will be empowered to dictate whatever they want to us, and will give us any candidat they feel like.

Well said Johnny.

What DNC is trying to pull off nothing less than a coup of our government! I am still in shock that they have the power to TAKE MY VOTE and give it to someone else.

Even if I could hold my nose and entertain voting for Obama, there is no way I could legitimize this DNC and those who inevitably would be in Obama’s administration should he (doubtfully) be elected.

we’d wake up to president obama.

that’s a hangover i’d prefer to avoid.

Wrong!

I was waiting on the inevitable ageist remark. And you consider yourself liberal, I bet. LOL*

Check out the u-tube, guys……it’s great.

Don’t be so sure.
Your theory supposes Obama, Dean, Pelosi, et al. are smart enough to vote for themselves.

It’s amazingly bad, isn’t it?

Today sure didn’t help. “My VP search committee chair isn’t really on my staff.” LOL*

Lordy, he’s a gaffe a minute.

not a problem a least i know its in good hands

Yeah, I campaigned hard for Harold Ford in Tennessee. I remember Bill Clinton coming to a rally for Harold. He almost won.

The DNC does not like the DLC. That guy booman slams Harold all the time on his blog which I look at sometimes just to see them gloating prematurely. They think he is not black enough and was not vocal enough about his support for Obama/Marxist. They think he is a sell out.

I say no, Harold just “gets” America. Most of America is moderate. Obama/Marxist people think the revolution is coming and they are going to force it down peoples throat.

It does not work that way but they just don’t get it so we will lose again.

JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

NO OBAMA/MARXIST
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

interesting!

i give obama, dean, pelosi, et al, VERY little credit. but i figure even they are smart enough to vote for themselves.

at the very least obambi will – he loves to ACT presidential, and the obligatory press coverage of him and michelle going to the polls is just the kind of photo op he likes.

if only he were capable of BEING presidential…..

but that, we know, is not the case.

Sounds like the people are capitulating to the “lets unify” manta to me. At least with McCain we know what we’re in for and with a dem house and senate it won’t be too bad. With Barky and his cronies, we don’t know how very bad things can get. We sure do have a clue though. I will do everything I can to make sure if it isn’t Hillary it will be McCain. Don’t forget what this man has done, who he surrounds himself with. I think at least McCain has integrity and character. I don’t think he is pushed around by associates (his wife included) who do not like this country. It is far from a good situation but I can’t see how Barky is an option. Wake up! This man could destroy this country as we know it. I will hold my breath, vote McCain and give Hillary a chance in 2012. At least that way Hillary will have a chance next election.

For the life of me, I do not understand the animosity towards McCain anymore than I do that towards Clinton. I will hold on until the end for Clinton, but if it’s a choice between Obama and McCain, then I’m voting for the guy who was John Kerry’s first choice for running mate: John McCain. Have you forgotten that fact folks? John McCain is no Bush. And unlike Obama, he was always conciliatory and crossed the isle.

Paladin,

You are extremely insulting and crude. Because you do not agree with people here does not give you the right to try and crush dissent on a whim. Perhaps you would be better served by frequenting pro-Obama sites where individuals such as yourself enjoy participating in politically inconsequential and lackluster repartee.

First of all I meant all American voters should sit out.
Second, if Obama showed up, he would vote present.
Dean, Reid, Pelosi, and the gang would tell everybody else how to vote which would tick them off and they’d vote for somebody else out of spite.
Once they counted the dead pet vote on both sides, it would likely be a draw.
Down the line.

so saddened….

McGovern, McGovern? Stop living in the damn past!

Modern media, fund raising and voter registration techniques void all of those old models. Angry, overly emotional females like YOU are not the norm, trust me! (thank GOD)

Vote ReTHUGlican, or sit at home….the Democratic Party DOES NOT CARE.

WE DO NOT NEED YOU! You never were real democrats, you were simply Clinton worshipers.

Dismissed, be gone!

Paladin

You candy pants! You talking to me?

I served my four years and not only could I outwit you Floozy Lips but I would be more than happy to show you the “emotional” side of marching boots.

And I promise to cry the entire time.

(hic) :::sip::…sneer:::…

By the way, you crack me up.

>>> as savvy and successful as Spongebob Squarepants

I wouldn’t vote for HIM, either!

Wow! Poof huh?

That’s it in a nutshell. Thank you for pointing that out. McCain 2008!

Hearing Donna Brazil’s commentary on TV as an “undeclared SD” throughout the primaries creeped me out in the same way George Bush’s comments did during election night when he was so sure he would win Florida.

I couldn’t put my finger on it in the beginning, but once MI and FL would not hold new primaries due to the shenanigans of Obama and his DNC minions, it was blatantly clear what was going on.

The DNC should not be rewarded for stealing the nomination from the people’s choice–HRC!

It’s already much more balanced. McCain is getting plenty of air time and getting in his points.

He’s pounding him on taxes, Iraq, unwillingness to hold town hall debates, etc., Johnson. And he’s not so restricted as Hillary was. He can say the obvious without the party jumping on him. Plus, they are pounding on Obama already in the senate.

It’s a lot more fun for us, anyway.

My thoughts?

Thank you, Larry. I don’t always agree with the posts here, but I DO appreciate the alternative POV that No Quarter offers, especially as a Democrat who believes that Hillary would be a much better president than Obama, but who CAN NEVER vote for McCain. And as a woman who believes that the “fix” was in against Hillary. I can’t prove it, but there’s just something so completely unfair and fishy about the whole Dem primary race.

Maybe by the August convention the Dems will see the error of their ways. If not, I guess I’ll choose the lesser of two evils (Obama) and hope to heaven he has some good advisors.

Again, my thanks.

Obama played the race card and won casuing HILLARY to lose. Obama gets the presidency and every time he goofs up or recommends any horrendous, dangerous or costly ‘ideas’ and gets criticized by ANY member of the congress/senate/media, they’ll immediately be branded as ‘racist’. NOBODY is allowed to question him – OR HIS WIFE, remember. (“Lay off my wife!”)

I worry about what kind of “executive orders” this shady, race card player will deliver. I do not trust him; if Hillary does NOT come out ahead at the convention, then I will vote for McCain; not doing so, will REWARD Obama with the White House, and his snarky, racist, hateful wife will become (YUCK!!!) First Lady.

I’m sure – in Hillary’s heart – THIS is NOT what she wants, either.

So much for women, if an unqualified black man comes by just throw the woman to the curb. I have been told over and over that the DNC does not want to upset their black base and needs to put Obama on the top of the ticket. And they have the audacity to expect the rest of us to just follow along like zombies.

>>> if obama loses in the general, he will be totally devalued in the party, as will pelosi, dean, kerry, and all the other idiots who forced him on us.

Good. They need that clown shoved up their collective asses.

Is Obama an American Citizen ?

OBAMA MAY NOT BE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
Very interesting!!!
CAN OBAMA BE PRESIDENT?
It seems that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president after all for the
following reason:
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law
on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to
November 13, 1986? Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the
child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what
exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal US Law very clearly
stipulates: “.If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth,
that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at
least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was
not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which
means though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps
because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for
at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It
doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son
for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since
his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in
Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the
time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As
aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack
Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have
waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have
been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding
the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. ***
Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does
not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. citizen
for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being
after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for
some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in
Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we
technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this
discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. election law.
I think the Gov. of California would be very interested in knowing this if Obama
were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. citizen, and it would
set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this
information will be leaking through over the next several days.
——————————————————————————–
——————————————————Blog item…..
By ————————–
—————————————
Thomas Sowell
Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, California 94305

http://megs.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/10/obama_may_not_be_natural_born_citizen.th
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>>> Obama’s getting his ass beat like a rented mule.

Or, as we say around here, like a 99 cent store Pinata…

For many years the Republicans hated the Clintons and we hated the fact she could wind up being our President someday but when this character Obama was known to us,we somehow took Hillary’s side,we knew McCain could beat Obama but Hillary could beat McCain,when I witnessed the media throwing the Clintons aside for this moron,I was shocked, I softened to Hillary and most of us turned that Clinton hatred towards Obama and learned to respect Hillary and openly wished for her to win,even though it could have meant McCain would lose the election.We are fearful of Obama and would take Hillary in a heartbeat,we have been emailing her asking her to run as an independent. If she does not,we need to get McCAIN in, he is only going to be one term then Hillary can run again in 2012 against McCain’s VP. Hillary supporters need to be as tough as she is and overcome the bullying from Obama and his thugs and dont cave in and give him your vote.

I’ll bet that McCain has more support from Hispanics than BO does–in which case BO is toast in the GE. With out a doubt, Nevada, Texas, New Mexico, Florida, and California will be up for grabs in November–so will most of the Rust Belt.

In any case, “Prez McCain” will be checked by a strong majority of Dems in both houses.

Gee. Paul Newman and James Garner seem to still be rounding the corners OK on the racetrack, and they’re both older than McCain.

McCain knows enough to make decisions based on experience. Precious doesn’t know anything and will take advice from whoever is most convincing. He is over his head and his mistakes, like Bush, will be worse. My two cents worth. I’ll take experience in this case.

Ah, these little misanthropic punks are brave as hell when there’s no chance that someone will put a fist down their throats or a foot up their asses.

Sorta like George Bush.

I was a Democrat when your mother still had a bald p***y.

Does Donkey Brassiere NOT know that she fucked up Al Gore’s campaign in 2000?

McCain is going to have to show us some of that famous temper, and put Obama, and his camp in their place.
With Obama it is a one way street…”Don’t talk about my wife..” he tries to call all the shots…
Obama, keeps bringing up the 100 years in Iraq and insenuating that McCain is “confused.” in the words of John Kerry. Hitting him with the age thing.
Although it is Obama and his “Change” that keeps changing. Obama makes such poor decisions that he has to keep changing his position.
i.e church, his pastor, his advisers, his endorsers…his questionale associations…

Suffereth the screen door NOT to smite thee in thy gluteal cleft…asshole.

i think it’d be fun to participate in the shoving.

I’m glad you’ve had a change of heart with regard to HRC. Unfortunately, the Obamatans not only used the old Republican talking points against HRC during this primary season, but took them to a whole new level! This said I’m glad you and other Republicans see her in a different light now.

Yes, many members of my large family and I will be voting for McCain. He and I may not see eye-to-eye politically, but I respect him and his service to this country. I also expect him to be a maverick once again if he is prez.

This case is a little different. McCain has been a more centrist Republican, even though also conservative. Hillary is more of a centrist Democrat. He has many faults, but he only got “religion”, so to speak, after his defeat in 2000 — he bit the bullet and supported Bush, the neocons, and made-up somewhat with the social conservatives. Now he is his party’s candidate. If he had left for a third party, the Repubs would have had no one that centrists could trust in some matters.

In this case, the Republicans are in such shambles that if you do not (I understand, cannnot) vote McCain, you are likely to be party to BO’s election. Only a coalition of centrists and other Republicans can defeat BO. If BO wins, Hillary becomes eliminated as a serious Democratic Party power– unless BO brings down the U.S.

Think on this matter very carefully. We are in dangerous times. Note how many of us are urging you to be very thoughtful about your decision.

Excuse me, sir?

Did you just get off the West-bound ASSumption train?

One has to assume a lot of things in order to wind up in your personal political doomsday corner.

I’ll pick the one that struck me as most obvious assumption. Hillary only becomes obsolete if Obama turns out to be the new fangle thingy all you whipper snappers today are calling “The Second Coming.

Have not checked lately with Vegas but the odds are against a second coming any time this century.

::snort:: I miss Ruth Buzzy some days :::

At this point I’m leaning to McCain, who will take NC anyway.
However, I will appreciate a critical look at both candidates. Each should have to earn our votes.

This election has been an eye-opener to me, and not in a good way.

I like Bud White’s posts. Would like a house-cleaning on the democratic side, as well as the Republican.

no capitulation for me. agree completely. mccain in 08, hillary in 2012.

if obama wins in 08, hillary will NEVER have another chance. plus we’ll be stuck with obama for 8 years.

puma!

Please, please! Keep in mind what you are hearing and from where. Ask yourself what these same people where saying about Hillary a month ago.

Don’t let them fool you twice.

Thank you, So Saddened. I, too, have learned since McGovern. Actually I’ve learned a lot since I worked on RFK’s campaign. All Howie and his groupies have done is recreate 68 – only worse.
Like Barry, the Obamabots need the hard knocks of experience. Say Paladin, you’re an insult to the “Have Gun Will Travel” character, and frankly, you’re no Paladin, just a bad-mouthed and bitter poster. What are you clinging to?
McCain 08

Wow. Thank you Larry. I tried to make a similar comment the other day and was drummed out as an “Obamabot.” Perhaps coming from you, people will idle down on attacking people who have been on NQ during this primary, supporting Hillary alongside them.

My stance remains this: Until the convention is over, I still hold out hope that it could swing Hillary’s way, but that will only happen if something so compelling forces Obama to walk away. Until that damn convetion is over, I refuse to even entertain the idea of McCain. Though I was full of bluster when the Obama commenters came here solely to torment Hillary supporters, I would never seriously consider keeping ANY Republican in the White House after the Uhaul takes George’s video games back to Crawford. Why in the world would I give quarter to the republicans if I was serious about supporting Hillary?

I refuse to reward McCain, Rove, Bush, Coulter, Savage, Beck, Limbaugh, et al, with my precious vote. And I’m not going to harm any chance that Hillary might have by emboldening McCain either financially or symbolically.

First: Hillary’s campaign debt should be paid off as quickly as possible. It will strike fear in the hearts of the DNC and Obama if they make an offer she can refuse.

Second: I switched my party affiliation. Let them come begging. They’ve already started courting the Independents – McCain’s courting the Independents too and that means power. He’ll have to swing a bit more to the center to be sure I’m willing.

Third: I think it was Larry who said when the DNC calls crying for money we should say the check is in the mail. Write a check for a hefty amount, tear it in half and send it in. If votes can be cut in half – why not checks?

Fourth: Please, when you refer to Obama don’t use the lie he’s been telling all along. OBAMA IS NOT – REPEAT NOT – AN AFRICAN AMERICAN. HE IS AN ARAB AMERICAN.

We all know his father was Muslim but everyone assumes if you’re born in Africa you’re a black African. You are not. Obama’s father is officially classified as an Arab by the Kenyan Government. THAT MAKES OBAMA AN ARAB AMERICAN.

It also may be one of the reasons he has been so unwilling to release his birth certificate, which would indicate race. And it explains a lot of his relationships too, indicating where his instinctive loyalties lie.

Fifth: I belong to the group who thinks voting for a straight Democratic down ticket and a Republican at the top will keep things from sliding out of control for a 4 year period.

Sixth: I live in McCain’s state and have vowed to never, ever vote for him. It’s not that he’s that awful, I just think he’s more to the right than most believe. However, under these circumstances the mess McCain would continue is – inho – far less severe to our national security interests than what Obama has planned. I’ve never been so scared of a candidate in my life.

Yes, Nancy, and he denies all controversies by degrees. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It was right here yesterday on NQ.
Tweety was asking the question to the hooligan with the intent of having him get a resounding cheer from the phony crowd.

The post included the phrase ” a child in man’s clothes”

It should be on you tube but perhaps larry can resurrect the videos posted over yesterday.

I have seen this in many places on the internet, but no one cites legal sources. It’s my understanding U.S. Title 8, Section 1405 contains the prevailing law. That law mentions nothing about a 10 or 5 year period.

I’ve researched everywhere I can think of to find different prevailing law. Could you provide the citation for the U.S. law claimed to be “on the books” at the time of Obama’s birth?

A military career solves that for you? Then how can you even feel slightly comfortable voting for the Party that trashed one wait, two, oops three war heros?

The GOP trashed John Kerry, Max Clelland, and yes.. John McCain. Is that what we’re all about now? Believing that some snarky ass Obama supporters who posted nasty things on the internet are somehow more vile and dangerous than an entire institution that has smeared countless military heroes? rigged elections? started wars? Hell.. the reason I’d never vote for McCain is that he was slimed so viciously by the GOP, and when it suited him, he snuggled up to Bush and the very people that savagely attacked his family in the South Carolina primary in 2000. He has always defined the ‘do anything to get elected’ label.

Unless the people here are republicans, I cannot believe that anyone would hand over our country to the republicans who have fucked it up, just to ‘show” the DNC that we’re angry about what happened to Hillary.

Nose.. meet scissors.

paladin probably doesn’t even know where he got the name. i bet he lives in his mom’s basement.

agree re hard knocks. the 60s gave us lots of them. losing jfk, mlk, and rfk in the space of 5 years was the worst.

obots have no clue what it means to have real leaders with real meaning behind them. they’re just following the crowd.

imho, obama = sanjaya. and obots are too damn stupid to realize sanjaya is cute but can’t sing.

Pieter, I couldn’t agree with you more. A sane and rational response to dealing with the nasty hand Hillary was dealt all around.

Still hoping for a miracle that puts Hillary in the White House, but barring that? My goal is keeping the republicans out of there. They had their 8 years and they screwed it all up. McCain is not going to bring in some unknown team with him.. it’ll be the same old players. The PNAC and so on… I’m not willing to give up on the Country just to prove a point to Howard Dean.

nah, she blames the clintons for her own incompetence.

Hawaii was admitted to the union as the 50th state in 1959.

So it won’t work if nobama was born in 1961. In that case the scumbag would still be natural born citizen.

But then why are they hiding his birth certificate?

Does the birth certificate say 1958 or something? It won’t be the first time that people have claimed to be younger than their actual age.

I think some investigation is required.

My bet is it shows his race as Arab

Or it could be that it shows his mother and father weren’t legally married.

Or it could show his religion as Muslim

Or it could be all of the above, or none of the above – let’s see how the great keeper of secrets handles this one.

“And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I’ve been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush.” – Barack Obama

Barack Obama
..the buffoon..
____________________

KMOV [St. Louis, MO] Interview
June 10, 2008

Reporter: “For a couple of days, they’ve been saying you voted to raise taxes something like 94 times. That seems to be the drumbeat that’s going to happen during this campaign. Are you going to raise taxes in a big way for average Americans?”

Senator Obama: “I mean this is the standard fare of politics. And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I’ve been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush. You know, they were the majority for a big chunk of the time I was here.”

Watch Barack Obama’s KMOV Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhST5Nuw6bc

it depends on whether he was actually born IN hawaii. there’s been some talk that he might’ve been born in kenya (and that his mother may or may not have put on his birth certificate that the birth took place in hawaii). things were different back then and lots of births didn’t happen in hospitals, so it could’ve happened that way.

if he was born in kenya, he wouldn’t be a natural born citizen, which is required to be eligible for the presidency.

problem is, we’ll never find out – if his birth certificate shows he was born in kenya, you can bet it’ll be scrubbed. and if it shows he was born in hawaii, but that’s not true, any kenyan records proving that will be scrubbed.

if he was born in hawaii, the law is more complex. not having researched it, i can only say that it depends on the law at the time and the details of exactly when obama and his mother lived in hawaii vs. kenya or wherever, and it is quite possible that he wouldn’t have been considered a natural born citizen.

do hope someone does some digging on this. but obama’s been VERY good at scrubbing his past. (remember the 8 years of state senate in illinois, for which there seem to be no records?)

if i remember correctly, wasn’t his father already married to someone else? that might or might not preclude legal marriage in kenya, but would certainly mean that he and the mom weren’t legally married in the u.s.

Yeah, his father was married before he came to the U.S. Then he and Obama’s mother were together for a couple of years and Obama was born, then he went back to Kenya with a different American woman. After that he married a “third” time (Muslim – didn’t need divorces) had children with his third wife and with his first wife again.

I’m just waiting for the African American community to realize he’s using them and is not one of their own.

Who cares what those people think?

Yeah, thanks Larry. You just went way up in my book. I second what Cath says, right down the line.

I really wish I could vote for McCain. It’s just his support of the war that looms so large in my mind, casting a shadow over everything else. People are dying, for godsake. And the war is going to bankrupt us. Over half-a-trillion dollars so far. We could have used that same money for an alternative energy crash program and been completely energy independent within 10 years. Instead we’re setting ourselves up to funnel another trillion down a rat hole, just to protect our sources of Middle Eastern oil. Osama bin Laden probably dances a jig every time he thinks about it.

I don’t belive all the negative spin about Obama. I’ll vote for him in preference to McCain. But grudgingly. The problem is that it was just too soon to be considering Barack Obama. America needed more time to find out who he really is. Without that time, people are projecting either excessive hopes or excessive fears onto the man.

I don’t blame Obama for this situation. I blame the upper echelons of the democratic party. What were they thinking? Obama may get elected. Obama may then be a good president. But Hillary Clinton was as close to a sure thing on both counts as one might ever hope to get. Ony our party leadership would trade a sure thing for a risky gamble. What the hell were they thinking?

If it was before 1958, his mother would be 15. I don’t know how old his father was then, it’s getting into sensitive stuff like statutory rape.

I could be wrong, but I’ve spent hundreds of hours on Obama’s background and haven’t gotten the sense he was born in Kenya. Although there seems to be a claim on the part of Africans that he was.

Obama can scrub most everything, but he can’t scrub the fact that he’s an Arab American. I really believe if that gets into mainstream it causes huge problems for him in terms of credibility, loyalty from African Americans he desperately needs, and in terms of his past associations.

have no clue, but i’m doubting it was other than 1961. i think the answer lies in the where rather than the when. but, again, don’t have any way of knowing.

and obama will make sure noone ever finds out.

i think the passport search thing was likely part of the coverup.

of course, that could’ve been related to the college trip, which raises questions of terrorist ties way back then.

If Obama is the Dem version of Dubya, then Howard and Donna are the Dem versions of Cheney and Rumsfeld–a coupla mooks who thought they were geniuses.

Yes, but that would not present problems for Obama now. And I can’t find the U.S. law for the info that’s going around about the 5 years.

I think the birth was legit, and the problems with the certificate are elsewhere. But I could be wrong.

i could be wrong, too.

don’t remember where i read the part about the possibility of a kenyan birthplace. but, again, wouldn’t matter. we’ll never get the proof anyway.

assuming hawaiian birth, too complicated for this late hour.

agree could still be problems with the certificate – primary one would be the certificate showing race/religion as arab/muslim.

obambi doesn’t want to be known as the arab american candidate. not in these times!

HILLARY OR MCCAIN…For anyone who wonders why Hillary supporters are supporting John McCain now read this.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/mccain-clinton.html

I definitely agree about the ties to radicals back then. His mother was a socialist, he was surrounded by Marxist and Communist thinking as well.

His culture was very much Islamic as a child, he may not have been paying much attention, but he did study the Koran in more than 100 classes. That stuff at such an age sticks as something warm and familiar.

I think that not only women are pissed at the way Senator Clinton.

I think you have provided a forum for people who can’t abide BS.

Thanks. And I agree that these two choices are two side of the same clam at low tide…

Still voting for Bob Barr?

yes, and could relate to the i’ll side with the muslims comment in his book.

the college trip somehow bothers me more. who takes a college break trip to a terrorist camp like spot rather than a beach resort or whatever? and why? a little indoctrination?

again, no way of knowing/proving. but just more of why will never trust obama. way too many such questions around him.

sleepy now.

‘night.

the way Senator Clinton…was treated.

Your comment evokes the thought of who truly is who, and brings to mind my ponderings about Congress. During the long months of this Presidential primary. Congress has gotten an underserved pass!

We should never lose sight of how ineffective this Congress has been. They have accomplished nothing!

Their total failure to represent us currently lies hidden by the drama of this primary. Their lack of competence has gone largely unexposed, as we and the media focused on the elections.

We elected them, we trusted them to do what they promised. We have gotten nothing in return.

Ironically, the whole aura around them amounts to the same thing we have heard from the Obama campaign. “Hope and change”!

We elected them, “changed” the balance, and not only “hoped” they would be effective, we expected them to be.

Bush has beaten them at every turn. Giving Democrats the control they clamored for has brought no “change”, on any level.

They are impotent and their potential wound up being ephemeral. Now they are almost all in lock-step in trying to select our Democratic candidate for us. Obama, another ephemeral, likely impotent entity!

They are now “hoping” we will ignore their record. I will not. Nor will I accept any vacuous excuses from them, nor any promises to do better next time! Nor will I accept their candidate Obama.

With few exceptions: Damn them all and a pox upon all their houses, from Pelosi and Reid on down

Gee, I didn’t know the press was still allowed to write a piece which didn’t trash Hillary. How refreshing!

I have a fantasy that if Hillary isn’t selected at the Dem Convention McCain will have delayed his VP pick for the Repub convention and he’ll ask Hillary. In 4 years she’d be the head of the Republican Party!

I can dream, can’t I?

After being a virulently anti-obama site, suddenly now no quarter is going to be objective and neutral? How disappointing. I figured at least if Hillary wasn’t going to be the nominee, No Quarter would be committed to defeating obama. It looks like this is another blog I will be forced to discard.

I hear your very logical and well reasoned thoughts. I share your gravest concerns about having another SCOTUS placed by a Republican President.

But I find Obama scarier than those consequences. I don’t know if he has a Socialist or Marxist or Communist agenda. The way he’s structuring communications, his secrecy, his use of youth truly are reminiscent of early Nazi Germany. He’s reaching for power within Africa and it’s not at all far fetched to think he will try to pave the way for acceptance of groups and behavior we now think of as terrorism.

This is all about the lesser of two evils. Before my hundreds of hours of research I thought I might not even vote for the first time in my life. But it’s clear to me now that Obama is not the person you think he is.

While there is time, go do some more research, if you don’t see what I see, that’s your perspective, but I see our freedoms being ripped from us under Obama in a way that Bush wouldn’t even dare.

“McBush DOES seem to be pretty stubborn and arrogant about what he believes…”

Stubborn and arrogant pretty much describes every politician in Washington.

Look how stuboborn and arrogant Dean, Pelosi, Brazile et al were.

The difference between your opinion and mine is that Obama is too much of an unknown quantity. How do we know he doesn’t have a temper? Given the way he fumbles and bumbles why do we give him so much credit for being smart. Hillary blew him away on policy issues. I’m very leery of people who think they are smarter than they are and I even more leery of the people who worship people like this.

there’s no controlling the candidate once he becomes president. These people are in a dream world if they think they’ll be able to pull the strings.

We have no idea where Obama stand on key issues. He didn’t impress me when he was under pressure from Hillary. At least I’ve seen McCain come back from the jaws of defeat. And at McCain’s age, he has had to confront his own mortality.

Unless Obama gets real and by that I mean specific, as long as he hides behind pre-written rhetoric and flashy oral presentation, I can’t see myself voting for him. Sorry, but I’d rather lead an anti-war movement again, march in the streets uner a McCain presidency than wonder if I’m going to wake up in a new world order with no rights.

I will not let the Democratic Party play the fear card with McCain not after what they did to Hillary as they pretend that nothing is wrong with Obama and that I and the rest of us must be the problem. Fuck that!

They cannot get away without confronting Obama’s real negatives. This Gaslight bullshit is getting real old.

Bottom line: I don’t like surprises.

The Gringo’s Wife,

YOur states, the ones with electronic voting are the ones I fear the most. Especially if it’s tight.

I think Obama is going to get some help with his hacker buddies.

I really feel for your dilemma. I really do.

“For McCain I don’t know if he is as war hungry as you are laying claim, I think he has surrouned himself with bushyites to solidate the “rightwing” base and though he is conservative he is also moderate when it comes to reality of the situation, again the word pragmatic.”

this is my gut feeling and on Election Day I will wrestle with it.

I respectfully think this post is disingenuous, and hogwash.

First, the premise: “NoQuarter remains a blog committed to electing Hillary Clinton as President.” Clinton herself has called on supporters to support Barack Obama, and has acknowledged that he is the nominee.

Second, although you claim to be looking objectively at both candidates, any observer would agree that the vast majority of posts are about Barack Obama, and about how he is the most inexperienced, vile, sexist, help help help anyone but that man, etc. candidate. There are nowhere near equivalent posts about McCain.

Third, this site has in fact become the a de facto source of anti-Obama news, outpacing even explicitly Republican/right-wing supporters. I’m sure many on the site identify that way and love that this is nominally considered a “Democratic” blog. Don’t take my word for it — take Michelle Malkin’s: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/06/11/fox_obama/index.html
When she says that most of the dirt on Michelle Obama is coming from left-wing blogs, I have no doubt that she is referring to yours truly.

Yes, you and your bombshell video about Michelle that was coming TOMORROW (pick any day, it’s coming tomorrow). This was a lie, and the fact that you dropped the story after Hillary dropped out and its credibility was criticized across the board strongly supports that conclusion. This rumor-mongering, and its equally lame excuse that you were just “passing on” what you heard from insiders, cost you a lot of credibility.

Until you rectify the damage you did on the Michelle Obama tape rumor (lie), and until you show that the site will look objectively at McCain, it is very hard to take this post seriously. Rather, this site seems squarely devoted to posting any smear about Barack Obama it can find, without hesitation or moral qualm.

fadodog said:

I’m worried that the MSM is doing the same thing to McCain they did to Hillary. Obama, despite his skimpy experience and lack of accomplishments has put together a marketing campaign as savvy and successful as Spongebob Squarepants.

I must say that I totally agree with you about this. Even worse, I see strong parallels in the “golden boy” treatment that the media bestowed upon that moron George W. Bush when he was running against Al Gore in 2000 and the SAME “golden boy” treatment that the media have given that empty suit Barack Obama! I am convinced that the reason for the corporate-controlled media treating Obama like the Second Coming is as follows: First, of the two–Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, Barack Obama was seen by the corporate masters of the corporate-controlled media as the easier candidate for McBush to defeat in the general election. After all, Hillary Clinton would have the ability to attract the SAME moderate independent and Republican voters that helped propel her husband into the White House twice! Second, if Obama were to somehow prevail in the general election against McBush, Obama was seen as a far easier candidate for the corporate-controlled media to manipulate and control than Hillary Clinton. This latter point cannot be underestimated since Obama’s sleezy relationship with Tony Rezko demonstrates that Obama can be “bought”.

So the real choice in November comes down to a vote for the lesser of two evils. This has certainly weighed on me because BOTH choices are pretty repugnant to me. Nevertheless, it brings me back to my original argument about the federal judiciary, and that’s really the ONLY reason for me to cast my vote for Obama. While I do not trust much of anything coming out of that fraud’s mouth, I DO trust Obama to NOT appoint another John Roberts or Samuel Alito to the SCOTUS. I also trust Obama and the people around him to make competent, reasonable choices for appointments to other federal court judgeships as well. With McBush who is completely surrounded by corporate lobbyists, I cannot envision ANY judicial appointment that would be “balanced” or “reasonable”.

Assuming that the Democrats are able to build upon their majority in the Senate, one could argue that this should essentially prevent McBush from appointing more ethically challenged nutjobs to the federal judiciary, which is one reason that I remain fairly ambivalent about the general election. HOWEVER, given the way that the Democrats folded like a cheap accordion when Cheney and the Republicans threatened the “nuclear option” over the Democratic filibuster of Bush’s ethically challenged nominations of questionable competence to the federal bench, I have little faith in a Democratically-controlled Senate to effectively fight against McBush’s likely appointments of ideologically driven, hard right-wing jurists to the federal courts.

I do not expect Obama to be an effective president, but I DO expect Obama to make decent appointments to the federal courts. In contrast, I fully expect McBush to appoint more ideologically driven fruitcakes with little interest in preserving the Constitution to the federal bench and for the Democrats to again acquiesce to a Republican president rather than fight it out, as they SHOULD have done when Cheney and the GOP threatened the nuclear option. In my estimation, this is the ONLY reason for voting for EITHER candidate, but given the lifetime nature of these judicial appointments, it’s a fairly powerful reason for avoiding another Republican president.

In his book, John Dean discusses at length the damage to the federal judiciary caused by having Republican presidents appoint highly partisan, ideologically driven judges for 20 of the past 28 years. I suggest that anyone who believes that McBush is a less destructive choice than Obama should READ Dean’s book BEFORE committing himself/herself to EITHER candidate. The stakes are too high to not consider all the ramifications before casting that vote.

if obama wins in 08, hillary will NEVER have another chance. plus we’ll be stuck with obama for 8 years.

I strongly disagree with this assertion–saying that we will be stuck with Obama for 8 years presupposes that Obama will be an effective president, which I rather doubt. The ONLY candidate of the entire bunch on both sides of the aisle whom I could honestly envision being successful enough to win a second term was Hillary Clinton. None of the other candidates possessed the requisite intellect and experience to get much accomplished after the damage created by Bush and Cheney.

As to Hillary’s prospects for another presidential run, that is of far less concern to me than what may happen to our country in the interim. I still recall a flaming liberal on a Democratic forum back in 2004 making the argument that he would vote for Bush because Kerry was “too corporate” and with another term of Bush, voters would finally “wake up” and vote for a TRUE liberal who would really change things! Similarly, many of Nader’s supporters back in 2000 made similar arguments about Al Gore being a “cop out” and not being that different from George W. Bush–we all see where that got us.

Frankly, like Larry, I cannot fault anyone here who plans to vote for McBush for some of the reasons stated, although I consider it to be flawed logic along the lines of the Naderites in 2000 and that liberal guy who vowed to vote for Bush back in 2004 rather than settle for John Kerry. I am just too much of a pragmatist to vote for McBush with the hope that hs can be defeated in 2012.

I think at least McCain has integrity and character. I don’t think he is pushed around by associates (his wife included) who do not like this country.

If McBush had not spent the past 7+ years licking Bush’s boots and voting in lock-step with that moron in the White House, I might agree with you. As to “integrity and character”, all those lobbyists surrounding McBush certainly put a little tarnish on that image. McBush’s vow to NOT regulate the financial sector that brought us the subprime mess is a compelling reason for me to believe that McBush is dangerous.

The question for me is which man is likely to cause the least damage. On balance, I think that Obama is the least deterimental choice, although I still detest the man immensely.

What was the “thin” of Lincoln’s CV? He served in the Illinois militia in the Black Hawk Indian War, had his own shipping company, wrote a patent a barge flotation, served in the Illinois General Assembly, US House of Representative and was a district court rider. Stephen Ambrose wrote of Lincoln as the primary legal authority on railroad law.

I am not convinced that Lincoln’s resume was thin but do believe Mr. O’s is. There are no details about his negotiations in the Illinois Senate for passage of bills as there is of Lincoln’s time in the Illinois General Assembly.

What did you mean by “Legitimacy”? Are implying that Mr. O is illegitimate?

BORING!

Oh yes!

Trouble for this website of lies!

Team Obama launches Fight the Smears website to combat spurious lies promulgated by sites such as this!

GAME OVER!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

Sweet…

Justice

I suspect the Birth certificate names him as “Barry Durham.”

His name change to “Barrack Hueissen Obama” would be proof of his Muslim self-identity i.e Cassius Clay becomes Muhammad Ali.

I guess you dont care about women or women’s rights. I’m glad you have found a place to blog where you can be happy.

I can not wait until the debates between The Mac and Pink-o.

Commie protege vs Commie torture survivor.

I watched McCain take apart Mittens in one of the Republican Debates. It was something else.

Obambi and his stammering and stuttering stand no chance!

I don’t know why you would expect ANYTHING of Obama – you simply don’t know enough about him to make that statement. There’s the rub.

I suppose with Larry’s editorial direction declared that McCain is as bad a choice as Obama, we will see many more posts like yours from Obama supporters trying to sway us (McSame, McBush, hold your nose and vote for Obama, yadda yadda yadda)…

I think you will have a very hard sell. But I’m sure you guys will flood the site. At some point I’ll stop coming here.

Because I don’t need to argue John McCain. The difference I don’t think you or others like you understand is – one, we aren’t stupid and two, we know quite a lot about McCain. We’ve been watching him in the national arena for many, many years.

John McCain does not equal George W. Bush – never did, never will.

That’s not the only high ranking official saying Obama is in over his head. And Helen Thomas said the same thing a few weeks ago.

Given presidential power, which is greater now than ever, we’ve seen how George W. Bush (now here is someone whose similarities to Obama are many) has abused it – and that is with his father, a former president of the United States, as a grounding influence.

What is Obama’s grounding influence – Jeremiah Wright? Tony Rezko? Bill Ayers?

We have no idea what Obama would do with this enormous power, but we do have some indications of how he would potentially abuse it, given his past. And that is why I’m voting for McCain.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.

It’s down to that.

Real/your surrogate Tim Wise just called us stupid and racist.

Just like Obama did!

Clearly your intention is not to win our votes (“you suck, vote for me” seems an odd strategy if so).

Maybe you just don’t like women and found a societally-sanctioned way to insult us.

THAT’S IT!!!

People seem to think that McCain will just be another neocon, which we don’t need. I agree. However, I am really trying to find something positive of Zbig.

We don’t need anymore of GWB or McCain social policies, I agree. Can’t even figure out Obama’s social policies, with McClurkin, Meeks and Farrakhan lurking in the background for years.

Does he really believe that talking to us that way will convince to change us our minds?
The only good thing about this horrible situation is that it continues to expose how sexism is so unbelievably ingrained, and below consciousness, so that he can rant at us that way and believe that we passive, uninformed, eager-to-please, dependent, pushover, “sweet”, no mind women will cave and say “Oh, yes, sir (dear), you’re right, of course. As always. I just hadn’t thought of it that way before.”
That’s not the women I’ve known.

As for the link to lies about Obama…I am not concerned about any of those. I don’t care if there is a whitey tape. I know Obama is not a Muslim and wouldn’t care if he was. Considering his relationship with Rezko, I don’t think he is a good Christian. I really don’t care about the pledge of allegiance. As far as I am concerned about the pledge, it demonstrates his lack of readiness of the role of president and his lack of leadership. The man hasn’t even figured out how to be a US Senator yet. It isn’t that he is inherently “anti-american” because he didn’t assume the right “position”. He is simply clueless about the role and responsibilities of the office he seeks.

Another issue, that is beginning to seem like the elephant in the room, (actually there are several of these), is: isn’t Barry a criminal?
I thought gaming caucuses, intimidating old women(and young women, also old men, disabled), was criminal. Is this incorrect? Encouraging people to vote in the wrong caucuses? Lie about addresses or eligibility? Vote twice? Isn’t this all criminal behavior, rewarded with jail. Now we should reward him with the presidency?
After all these years complaining about our present criminal president. Against whom no action has been taken, I could add.
So now criminality is the norm for our leaders?
No no no way. No.
How about hacking computers? Attacking websites? What they did with the numbers in the Indiana primary?
All of these are criminal. Yes, so far we haven’t been able to prove anything, or a connection with Barack. But isn’t that because no one has been looking. No one at all, it seems. Except us, we all know it, but we can’t prove it. Regular media never mentions it, of course, and neither does the DNC.
Yes, the choices are terrible. But we can’t reward criminal behavior, especially stealing elections, not to mention the dirty dirty campaign. Stifling dissent. All of which will only get worse if he’s president. With no checks and balances. Chicago governnment.
No. PUMA. Hillary ’08.

I can actually relate to you loonies. There was a time a couple of months ago when I made a fair number of enemies on other blogs by proclaiming that I’d vote for McCain if Hillary succeeded in stealing the election. More important to me than Iraq, the Supreme Court, health care, etc, was the principle that Hillary simply could not be rewarded for Machiavellian sleazeball tactics (in the midst of widespread strategic blunders and gross campaign mismanagement) — especially at this potential turning point in political culture, a time when we have a real chance to reshape the public sphere.

I don’t know for sure whether I would have gone ahead with the McCain vote — I told myself I’d have to see how Hillary proceeded. My point here is not to debate perceived offenses, but, rather, to admit that I can understand how one could adopt the extreme mentality I see exhibited here daily.

I do find it extraordinary, however, that the attacks against Barack focus mainly on matters of integrity and tactics — precisely the sort of values that Hillary and her campaign serially failed to live up to, which her supporters serially excused.

Certainly no objective observer (if there were such a person) would, after comparing offenses, conclude that Barack’s sins exceeded Hillary’s. But hardball in the hands of Hillary is applauded as toughness by her supporters, while in the hands of Barack it’s derided as the mark of someone unfit to be dogcatcher. (Let’s not forget that whenever Barack hesitated to play hardball he was derided as not tough enough… where do you think the term Obambi came from?)

Seems clear to me that a large part of your bias is rooted in your opinion that Hillary’s “superior” qualifications are as plain as day — and so if she lost, she simply MUST have lost due to dirty tricks. What you fail to accept is that some of us actually believe Barack to be better qualified. So we disagree. That’s what the democratic process attempts to sort out.

While that process is ALWAYS imperfect, I am here to tell you all unequivocally, whether you’re fixated on Florida or middle-finger cheek scratches or dreams of holy grail video tapes: You people are not thinking clearly! Seriously.

Barack Obama does NOT give a fig about women’s reproductive rights.

As an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama took the coward’s way out and did not vote either “yes” or “no.” Instead, he voted “present” on seven abortion bills, including a ban on “partial birth abortion,” two parental notification laws and three “born alive” bills. In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions. http://www.illinoisnow.org

Barack Obama does NOT give a fig about women’s reproductive rights.

ALL Obama cares about is getting power and control of legislation so he can pay back his CORPORATE FINANCIERS, the ones who contributed so mightily to his campaign and the CORPORATE CEOs and CORPORATE LOBBYISTS who are ON his campaign staff.

Women are just one more group Obama has thrown under the bus.

Obama did NOT protect women’s reproductive rights in Illinois and he won’t protect women’s reproductive rights if he becomes president.

I think it’s important to vote down ticket for Dems. That way Congress can keep McCain in check.
That’s a very good point.
I’m probably voting for Cynthia McKinney (I just can’t bear to vote Mccain, ugh) but I’ll vote in Dem & Green downticket.

Larry- there is always Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party, or write in Hillary’s name on the ballot (some states) as options.

LOL!
Me too. I now know which talking heads are enemies of all women, and I’m not gonna forget!

You people are not thinking clearly! Seriously.

translation: you don’t see things my way.

a time when we have a real chance to reshape the public sphere.

they will sing songs about us? jesustapdancingchrist, it (faustian wankery) is epidemic.

Thanks for the place to ‘vent’ Larry but… As much as many will disagree, the Iraq issue is only ONE factor in choosing a candidate. There are too many serious issues that obama has NO business dealing with. McCain isn;t perfect, but he is a damn sight less scary and a damn lot more respectful and ‘American’. We have had the last 8 years of narcissitic ignorance in the WH. Enough is enough. Look at John McCain without the blinders on.

Obama is NOT far left! If he were I’d like him better.
He’s an opportunistic corporatist.

Calling anyone who declines to support Obama a “racist” is EXACTLY the sort of rhetoric that turns people off from Barack Obama.

It is the Obama supporters like “Tim Wise” who divide us by using accusations of “racism” toward anyone who criticizes Obama for anything.

And it is Barack Obama who appears to be the “racist” in this election; Obama played the race card because he knew it was the only way he could win.

Since Obama and his “lovely” wife stayed in their church for 20 years listening to — but never objecting to — Rev. Wright’s sermons of hate toward white people, I begin to think that if my possible president and his wife hate white people, they hate me.

I don’t want a president and First Lady who hate me for the color of my skin.

And, I haven’t appreciated being told by Obama’s supporters that any criticism of Obama comes out of my “racism”.

Was I a “racist” for criticizing and despising George W. Bush for what he did to this country?

Was I a “racist” for criticizing and despising Ronald Reagan for what he did to this country?

So, how come ANY and ALL criticism of Obama, suddenly, in America, is proof of “racism” and the criticizer is “likely” a “member of the KKK”?

No, thank you, I do NOT want any part of the race-baiting Obama campaign. Obama injected race into this campaign because it was the only way he could win.

Shame on Barack Obama and SHAME on “Tim Wise.”

Thank you for this, LJ.

MORE! MORE! MORE!

But those are speeches. He is the Senator from Arizona. What has he DONE?

This year seems to me making a best guess about what a candidate would NOT do is most important. Nevermind what they [say they] WANT to do — if only they had more money or more power.

Some of my best friends are scrappy little guys with nasty, nasty temperaments.

Your IGNORANCE is showing… so is your wee dick!

Of all the arguments Obama supporters make, this one is the most idiotic — we know where Obama and the DNC stand on women’s rights. Neither he nor they will ever lift a finger to protect any of the hard-won rights women have worked to obtain. The only difference between him and McCain on this issue is that McCain is less of a hypocrite.

Let me start by stating that I agree with those that feel that media treatment of Hillary was unfair.

And I appreciate LJ giving HRC’s supporters a place to vent.

But when things start devolving into Hitler comparisons and accusations of being an Arab, un-American terrorist sympathizer…you give the impression of being a paranoid whack job.

I respect HRC. And I’m sure that she appreciates all of your support. But I’m also pretty sure she would be embarassed by a lot of your rantings and ravings on this site.

Have you any sense of decency or sense of shame?

I to will vote McCain if it’s not Hillary.

I only have two choices Hillary or McCain

Hillary is not Obama

McCan is not Bush

there are so many differences in Hillary an Obama.

Obama’s past and now bad-judgements
Bush bad judgements

Obama = Bush
It’s Hilary of McCain for me.I will not let the democratic party leaders take my choice away and that is Hillary.But the democratic party is doing just that in taking the will of the people away.

I will never come around in what the democratic party leaders wants us to do.

get lost democratic party leaders.

Hillary 08

mcCain 08

Obama -0- choice.never will I support Obama-fall in line-or vote Obama never!

Learn to treat people as individuals, not as stereotypes.

It requires empathy. That may not be your strong suit if your a head-tripper like many Obama supporters.

Some Democrats are very conservative. Our party isn’t all left liberals.

Some of us are moderates.

Some of us are mentally ill.

Some of us are elitists.

Some of us are academic airheads.

Get my point?

The fact that such conservatives exist in OUR party makes many of us also realize that the Republican party can’t be painted as all right-wing idiots.

Which is why we’re exploring John McCain. We may, in fact, have more in common with him than with Obama.

Moderates tend to like Moderates, regardless of the label. Ditto for conservatives. And Ditto for the lefties.

I know that one debate with Romney was majorly fun stuff because of McCain’s fireworks.

Meanwhile, in the Democratic Party, Hillary says one thing to challenge Obama and every Dem leader jumped on the news to condemn her.

The idiots.

Certainly no objective observer (if there were such a person) would, after comparing offenses, conclude that Barack’s sins exceeded Hillary’s.

Oh, I so disagree. He was awful. From Texas on, it was character assassination.

He was awful.

Yes, I agree with you. It is about her superior qualifications. That’s what is most galling.

And that’s where the deep-down resentment about sexism comes into play, too.

One more fucking time, a woman prepares like crazy, demonstrates repeatedly that she’s the superior candidate, and loses the fucking job to a man who is clearly inferior.

Why? He’s a man. That’s why.

That is precisely why many of us identify personally.

Like to know how many times I went through the same fucking defeat in life?

And those same men?

They always hired me fast, making sure I made them look good.

If you are in Florida or Michigan, then yes, it’s unconstitutional.

It is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution for the DNC to discount voters/delegates in Florida and Michigan while letting off scot-free the other three states that violated the primary timing rule. There’s a lawsuit that’s been filed in Florida about this.
Also it’s a violation of the Voting Rights Act. In the vernacular, it’s election tampering.

I’m in Massachusetts where polls show McCain slightly beating Barry, so I’m voting McCain to prevent a Hitleresque psycho from getting his finger on the button.

Down ticket dems who supported Obama should be unseated. Here in MA, I have no conflict about this. Out with Kennedy, out with Kerry.

And five year old kids

AnninCa,

You forgot to mention…

Some Democrats are sexist.

Some Democrats are racist.

And if Obama is the Democratic nominee, who do you think the racists will vote for?

Please read my words closely, I am not stating that if you vote for McCain you are racist. But what I am saying is that if you are racist, then you certainly will not be voting for Obama. Just wanted to make the point to some of those “conservatives”.

AnninCa,

Perhaps there’s a reason that it’s hard for you to have ‘empathy’ for Obama, but find it much easier to have ‘empathy’ for McCain.

Think about it.

Fraud!

If it is true, as we read, that 25% of Hillary’s supporters said they would vote for McCain (rather than for Obama) and another 17% said they wouldn’t vote at all, that is a whopping 42% of Hillary supporters that WILL NOT support Obama.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/12/big-trouble-in-obamaland/

Let’s see: 42 percent of Hillary’s EIGHTEEN MILLION votes comes to SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION VOTES that will NOT be going to Obama.

So, I guess the Obama supporters think the way to deal with this rejection is to: (1) ramp up the insults of the Hillary supporters, and (2) think of even more names to call us and more insults to hurl our way.

Way to win us over, guys.

NOT.

No name calling going on here.

But if Obama’s policies are very close to Hillary’s policies. And McCain’s policies are as toxic as W’s.

Then how is it possible that a Hillary supporter could pull the lever for McCain?

I can understand being upset that Hillary didn’t get the nomination and possibly not voting in November. But to be so self destructive as to actually deluding oneself that McCain is not so bad and allowing the country to continue the downward spiral?

You guys can’t see the forest through the trees.

And if Obama is the Democratic nominee, who do you think the racists will vote for?

Obama. The Obamanates are the ones who imagine he is different.

You guys can’t see the forest through the trees.

Yet ANOTHER way of saying, “You don’t see it MY way. Or as I prefer to say, You’re an asshole!.

Disclaimer: No offense. I am merely semanticizing.

rjj,

Tell me what is your single biggest problem with Obama?

And do you deny that a McCain administration would be just as bad as the current administration?

Julius

As someone else on this post said – moderates tend to stick with moderates, far left with far left and so on. I have never seen Hillary as a far left candidate. I see her as someone who is pragmatic with enough experience to know you work with the opposition to achieve compromise for the benefit of Americans. She does this from a left of center position.

McCain’s record indicates he has a somewhat similar philosophy to Hillary’s. He comes from a right of center position.

Bush is far right of McCain – a look at their records show that.

Obama is far left of Hillary – their records show that too.

Ideologically, Obama and Clinton look like they want the same things. In reality Clinton is closer to McCain and Obama is the polar opposite of Bush. Obama and Bush being polar opposites is not a good thing to me. It means if elected Obama will be as secretive, domineering (with democratic control of congrees) and we’ll be saddled with his inexperience (like Bush) addictive issues (like Bush) and personal agenda (like Bush)

Bottom line – I’m seeing a lot of forest.

Yeah, I agree with this Obama vs. McCain dilemma. At present I am stuck between a rock and a hard-head spot. I will live there just like the trickling stream of water that eventually created the Grand Canyon. Better to take a stand for sanity than to have to choose between the current sad choices.

Fair, reasonable questions. I simply do not trust Obama at all. I see TUCC as an institution promoting race hatred, an exact equivalent of today’s KKK. How can someone who has actively aided that church (tithes and grants), have my interests at heart? Though he has left that church, he refuses to denounce it.

Even more, all of Sen. Obama’s long term associates (Wright, Pfleger, Meeks, Ayers, etc.) seem to share that hatred of middle-America. In his books and “bitter” comments, I see hints that he shares, to some extent, their prejudices.

While McCain is FAR from perfect, I don’t believe that he actively dislikes the groups I grew up in. And he is infinitely more green than Bush. What has Obama ever DONE about this? He voted for Cheney’s energy bill.

Diogenes2008,

You claim that Obama and Bush are polar opposites, but then you assign Bush’s negative traits (secretive, domineering, addictive issues, etc) to Obama.

I’m sorry but that just does not make any sense.

ulahane,

“McCain is infinitely more green than Bush.”

“In the 2007 National Environmental Scorecard released today by the League of Conservation Voters, John McCain receives a score of ZERO.”

http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2008-02-21.asp

I agree with you Larry. I can’t stand either McCain or Obama. But for the first time in my life I prefer a Repub over a Democrat. If I have to choose, I’ll choose McCain but I’ll probably write in Hillary. When will our country stop voting for male idiots for the nation’s highest office? I don’t get it.

Not trying to goad you, AnninCA, but you’ve exposed the central hole in the logic of all this Obama vitriol. You assume that what is obvious to you (that Barack is “clearly inferior”) is just as obvious to everyone else, and an indisputable fact — so then it seems logical to you that there must be other nefarious reasons some of us prefer him to Hillary. But, in fact, many (most?) of us who prefer Obama prefer him for a host of legitimate reasons. You can disagree, but that doesn’t make us stupid or evil.

Just as your reasoning strongly told you Hillary’s win-at-all-cost temperament was a positive attribute for a president, other’s of us felt it particularly harmful in today’s world, and just as strongly felt Barack’s leadership abilities and vision were vastly more needed. Vastly. It wasn’t a matter of “everything’s pretty equal, so we’ll vote against the woman.” Barack struck us as vastly superior. You disagreed. Fine. But you lost. And you’re not thinking clearly because you’ve entangled your emotional reaction to this political loss with all the times you’ve been through “the same fucking defeat in life.” Now every Michigan, every middle finger scratch, every “sweetie,” etc, becomes incontrovertible verification of all your wild suspicions. And, of course, you’re quick to ignore the multitude of myriad uglinesses emanating from Hillary’s campaign.

Julius

It’s ideologically where I see Bush and Obama being polar opposites. The rest of the comparison was pointing out how extremists from either side can end up being like twins in every other way.

Just curious…

How did you all feel when Hillary gave a pretty glowing endorsement of Obama over the weekend? Was she being disingenuous?

And if Obama ends up picking Hillary as VP what will be your reaction?

Remember when Obama supporters insisted Super Delegates had to vote the way their state did? Clinton won by a wide margin in my state of Arizona but our Governor Napolitano, (supposedly on the short list for VP) will cast her Super Delegate vote against the voters in her state. Should I hold my breath in expectation Obama supporters will do as promised?

Gov. Napolitano is not the only Super Delegate who will vote against her constituency. In fact,wouldn’t it be interesting to take a look at the number of Obama’s Super Delegates who, like Napolitano, could gain personally from backing him? Last I checked, my state had two. Maybe it would be even more interesting to count how many Super Delegates and Candidates committed to Obama after receiving ” campaign contributions” from him. Follow the money they say!

It is possible to bypass the voters and simply buy an election from the delegates?

Do you also remember when Obama supporters threatened to organize an uprising if Super Delegates stole the nomination from Obama, who was then ahead in the popular vote? I must have missed it, because I didn’t hear a peep out of them on May 31 when the Rules and Bylaws Committee waved their magic wand and delivered delegates to Obama, despite Clinton having officially won the popular vote.

It is possible to bypass the voters and simply buy an election from the delegates?

If you’re confused about my saying the delegates “will vote” maybe thats because that “Rules are Rules” committed forgot to remind the press there is no nominee until the convention, only a “Presumtive Nominee.” How could that be you ask? Because Obama, even with all the magic wand waving didn’t get the needed number of delegates without using Super Delegates.

Have no fear! The magic wand will save Obama yet again with their two part plan:

1. Force Hillary to turn over her delegates to Obama. After all she only got the popular vote, so isn’t he entitled to win now, now, now before the August convention? What difference does it make if that prevents her from raising money to retire her debt? Ladies and Gentlemen I predict you will hear a storm of indignation that she is still so unwilling

2. SSSHHH. Don’t tell anyone. But there’s supposed to be a roll call where the delegates (not Super) cast their vote. Uh oh. I think that smacks too much of democracy for the wand wavers. My next prediction: another maneuver, more indignation and presto chango the will of the people have “voted” Obama their nominee.

So boys and girls. I want to make sure you understand today’s lesson in civics well:

Democracy is not important to Obama supporters, keeping your word is not important to them, and the only thing that matters is to win at any cost (another thing they accused Clinton of, but now is clear was their agenda all along.)

Is there any hope voters will be heard this year?

single biggest problem with Obama?

His immoral indifference by profiting from the misery of others.

Julius

I felt it showed her character in contrast to his publicly giving her the “finger”. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No)

Obama will not select Hillary, and I believe Hillary is secretly praying he doesn’t ask. It’s everyone else who is talking about it, not really them.

However, if he’s forced to do it because everyone knows he’s not a lock without her – then I would do whatever legally necessary to keep him out of the White House.

Obama would have to start answering some questions seriously and honestly before I would ever think of voting for him. He would have to convince me he will not bring further ruination to our economy and national security. He would have to show me he cares more about this country and its people than his own agenda. I just don’t see the odds of him doing that..

TeakWoodKite,

He holds stock in Halliburton or Blackwater?

I don’t follow. Can you please clarify?

and the 18 million is only the ones who voted in the primaries. primary voters are generally the more politically active ones and dem primary voters are generally the more liberal ones in the party.

if 25 percent of hillary’s supporters will vote for mccain, it’s actually 25 percent of a much larger number. hard to say exactly but maybe 4 or 5 times larger?

anyway, raw number isn’t the point. the point is the percent if hillary supporters are about half the dems, as was the case in the primaries, and 25% of them vote mccain, that’s 25% of 1/2 = 1/8 or 12.5% of total voters. that’s enough for a landslide mccain victory.

even if the number is cut down to 10%, it’s 10% of 1/2 or 5%, still probably enough to swing an election. course it depends on what states….

“Julius”:

If John McCain were to win the presidency, he would be a very WEAK president vis a vis Congress for a few reasons.

One, he has already said he would run for only one term. Single-term presidents or presidents in their second term are historically weak presidents vis a vis Congress, because they are not seeking re-election and that means their power to rule is diminished. In saying right at the start that he would be president for only one term, McCain would start out weak and remain weak vis a vis Congress.

Two, we already have a Congress in the control of the Democratic Party and as things look now, their numbers in Congress will only increase, and their clout will increase along with their increased numbers.

Three, McCain, as a Republican, would not fare well dealing with a Congress that is in the control of the Democrats, and I might add those Democrats will be feeling their oats and will not be the wimps they have been with Bush. The Democrats have had slender majorities and have acted as if they were even weaker than they actually are. But that will change as their numbers increase.

Four, John McCain comes out of the senate, having put in long years in the senate, and he has deep and abiding respect for the senate and Congress in general. He would not be the arrogant, horse’s rear Bush has been with regard to the Constitutional responsibilities of Congress.

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Now, on the other hand, if Barack Obama were to be elected president, he would have a Democratic Congress that would lie down on the floor like a rug and let Obama walk all over them and have everything his way. Congress would be back to being useless, cowering wimps — especially since Obama likes to wield the cudgel of accusing anyone who criticizes him, or questions him, or hinders his agenda, of being a RACIST.

Some of the Obama supporters might think it a good thing that the inexperienced, know-not-much, low-accomplishment Obama had everything his way — but it TERRIFIES me for some the reasons here, which are based on the OBAMA MYTHS

— Obama voted to fund the Iraq war after telling everyone he would never vote to fund the Iraq war.

— Obama says he’s pro-choice but as an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama took the coward’s way out and did not vote either “yes” or “no” when “choice” issues came up for a vote. Instead, he voted “present” on seven abortion bills, including a ban on “partial birth abortion,” two parental notification laws and three “born alive” bills. In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions. http://www.illinoisnow.org

— Obama said he’s against NAFTA, but voted to EXPAND and EXTEND it.

— Obama said he’s opposed to the Patriot Act but voted to RENEW it.

— Obama says he wants everyone covered with healthcare insurance, but Obama CAVED to the Health industry lobbyists in Illinois and deprived Illinois residents of universal heathcare and, in his own presidential plan, he LEAVES OUT FIFTEEN MILLION people from having health coverage.

— Obama voted “FOR” Dick Cheney’s ENERGY bill allowing the drilling and mining interests to drill and mine to their heart’s content, raping the American environment in their lust for money for themselves.

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A President Obama, unrestricted by a subservient Congress would be a menace on the loose.

I would prefer a WEAK and RESTRICTED (by Congress) President McCain to an UN-restricted, CORPORATE LOBBYIST-CONTROLLED, anti-America minister-loving, unrepentant terrorist-loving, accepting NO responsibility for anything, run-a-muck, NO experience with foreign affairs and NO knowledge of economic issues, President Obama any day.

And I do not want a First Lady who, for the first time in American history, hates the MAJORITY of its citizens based on the fact we are white — or, as she calls us, “whitey.”

And I do not want a president who has hidden behind the shield of his race to win this election.

I do not want a president who uses race as a CUDGEL with which to beat anyone who dares to mention that Obama has NO experience or knowledge of foreign affairs and NO experience or knowledge of economic issues, and that his campaign has been filled with CORPORATE LOBBYISTS just licking their lips for their Main Chance once Obama is installed in the White House.

In America these days, we don’t have press corps that is worth much more than a bucket of warm spit; but with a President Obama, the reporters, journalists and columnists would be even MORE servile and terrified to say one negative thing about Obama for fear of being called RACIST or worse.

There would BE NO criticism ALLOWED of a President Obama.

At least with a President McCain, we would be free to criticize.

But not with a President Obama.

And, most important, a Democratic-controlled Congress would NOT let McCain do much of anything; he would HAVE to compromise on just about everything.

Checks and balances with McCain.

NO Congressional check or balance with Obama.

yawn

Oh So Saddened, I don’t know either. But ain’t it such a steamin’ pile o’fun to hate the guy so much? Thank the Good Lord we got us this support community here for all us fellow haters!

According to the New York Times, Democrats blocked Bush’s Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reforms so low income people with bad credit could buy houses.
”These two entities -Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, and the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/09/democrats-blocked-bushs-fannie-mae-and.html