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who are the astroturf thugs, exactly?

Let’s see now… Kathy Cantor’s townhall is packed with supporters of ObamaCare. Organizing for America representatives distribute posters, fliers, etc. and take up almost every seat. The doors are locked, with the constituents locked out….

As the Democrat leadership and their media minions try to convince America that town hall protesters are an angry mob organized by conservative organizations, they completely ignore the efforts by Obama supporters at such gatherings.

The following video shows how members of Organizing for America — the new iteration of the presidential candidate’s campaign group Obama for America — passed out pro-healthcare reform signs and leaflets before Rep. Kathy Castor’s (D-Fla.) now infamous town hall meeting in Tampa, Florida, last Thursday.”

But people who oppose the HCR are accused of astroturfing? I wonder if being locked out, knowing that people supporting HCR were allowed in made people a bit angry?

“From a townhall attendee: Kathy Castor’s union thugs beat up a guy (in the green shirt – evidence 3:21) and shut the doors to prevent the opposing opinions from being heard. She then proceeded leave, not taking any questions, because “she couldn’t hear.” Translation: she doesn’t have answers ’cause she hasn’t read the House bill.

There are other videos of citizens who accidentally made it into the hall through the back door before the event because people thought they were union. Castor’s constituents were basically banned from the event because they picked a small venue and stacked the audience beforehand.”

Nancy and the Astroturfers

This was the scene when I arrived at Stout Street Clinic in downtown Denver. Nancy Pelosi is to pay a visit to the clinic within the hour. About 200 people opposed to Obama’s healthcare agenda braved the mile high Denver sun and high temperatures to show their opposition. Their signs indicate that they are well aware that they have been vilified and targeted in an Oval Office astroturfing campaign designed to discredit their opposition.

First let’s look at the messages and faces of these hardy dissenters. Take a close look so you can compare them to the community organizers who will soon enter the scene and harass them. These citizens have been described by the Democratic National Committee in an ad as “angry mobs organized by desperate Republicans and their well funded allies.” Continue here for the rest of this story.

And what about this woman who was arrested for joining in on beating Kenneth Gladney? First she says to him, “Get down here, black man.” Then she attacks him hours later, and is arrested, and she says she works for Congressman Russ Carnahan.

We have seen some shouting matches at the events, and personally, I am not into shouting. But if people are being locked out, and are being treated how they were at Cantor’s townhall, who can blame them. Oh, the media has ignored that protesters have been slapped, too.

Protesters are being called teabaggers, racist, un-American, Nazi’s, liars, mobs, etc. Democrats have said they are too well dressed to be grassroots, that they are showing up wearing swastikas, that they are astroturf movements, etc. They have been called angry mobs! Are you a member of the mob?

Protesters have been assaulted. And they have had thugs show up at their homes in the middle of the night. And they are being screamed at by members of Congress.

Why are the Democrats even holding these townhalls. We keep hearing about how they have the majority. If they want this so bad, why don’t the Democrats just vote and be done with it? If Democrats truly, truly care about accomplishing health care reform, shouldn’t their yea vote be more important than their reelection? Why don’t they have the votes?

And why doesn’t the media report on the violence, yelling, mob behavior, threats and the astroturfing that has come from the left?

  • Tammy

    Yeah, the Pro health care people are SOOOO grassroots.
    Watch THIS. This man is grass roots.
    And because he stood up, the Obama Thugs showed up at his house.
    Sending out the brownshirts, Obama?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOYmTOF5aI

  • eleana

    Well, here we go again, bring out the race card!

    according to:

    Krugman says:they’re probably reacting less to what Mr. Obama is doing, or even to what they’ve heard about what he’s doing, than to who he is.

    Matthews asks: If we strapped them all into gurneys and injected them with sodium pentothal, how many would say they don’t like the idea of a black president?

    Senator Dick Durbin has suggested that the birthers and the health care protesters are one and the same; the driving force behind the town hall mobs is probably the same cultural and racial anxiety that’s behind the “birther” movement, which denies Mr. Obama’s citizenship.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      It’s true.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        YAWN….being called a racist is so March 2008….

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          LOL!

          Obotism is so, so, so lame. Like their idol.

          • oowawa

            Obotism–is that anything like Obotulism? Is that what’s in the Kool-Aid? Is that what Pelosi uses to put her wrinkles to sleep?

        • Obamastolemycountry

          I like being called a racist and a birther. It means I have common sense and good judgement. It also means I have researched the facts and know who the lying liar America haters are!

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            No, it simply means you are an uneducated ignorant person. But enjoy living in your fantasy world. But please leave the rest of us alone.

            • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

              When an Obot calls you a racist that is your receipt for winning the arguement.

              But thanks for playing anyway Mouse, lol

              • BlueTopaz

                When an Obot calls you a racist that is your receipt for winning the arguement

                Ha, good one!

              • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                If that’s the way you like to look at it, that’s fine. But perhaps it just means you’re a racist? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

                • Katmoon

                  I hope, soon your ass gets banned for this constant yelling of racism on this site. You are a coward.

            • Katmoon

              Quite uncalled for; You are always here, rude and pushing whatever message it is, however who is the “us”? Speak your meme for yourself, you do not speak for No Quarterans! Are you a mouse with a mouse in your pocket, is that your “us”?

              • required reading

                I love it when Kat goes after Mouse because then Mouse goes running back to his hole, tale between his legs….

                • required reading

                  p.s. “tale” intentional = “made-up story”

            • Diana L. C.

              I have several an MA and several hours toward a Ph D. I graduated high school as valedictorian. I earned the Dean’s citation for Excellence when I was awarded my MA in English and American Literature and Linguistics. (I earned it with a 4.0) How much more “education” do I need to be on your Olympian level?

            • tango

              Nony Baloney!!!

            • jwrjr

              Being called an “ignorant racist” by an Obot is, to use an old saying, like being called ugly by a frog.

              • Thinker

                :lol:

                The racist card, …well,I guess in my case, the Auntie Tom card has gotten really old.

                :yawn:

            • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

              as usual, unsubstantiated….

      • Ferd Berfle

        Still getting your facts from the voices populating your undersized skull, mousy-one?

      • NoBamaNoWay

        i’m sorry, KnowNothingMouse; you are attempting to exorcise the racism from your own psyche by projecting it onto others and then ritualistically demonizing them. you are attempting to remove your own white guilt by placing on a scapegoat and then banishing the scapegoat. it’s a common practice throughout human history, and apparently there is a lot of racist white guilt among the Obots, because they’ve been chewing on this bone for quite some time now. i feel sorry for you.

    • oowawa

      Matthews asks: If we strapped them all into gurneys and injected them with sodium pentothal, how many would say they don’t like the idea of a black president?

      Did Tingles really say that? On the air? If he did, he’s ready for his jackboots and riding crop. This is imagery from a deranged and brainwashed mind.

      And OMG–he did. If you can stand to sit through this absolutely nauseating segment of Hardball, here is the video embedded on this page:

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/32669.html#more-32669

      MSNBC, your boy here is getting totally out of control.

      • Arabella Trefoil

        We don’t have a black president. I’m betting the COLB says he’s white.

        If you shot me up with sodium pentathol I’d say “I can’t believe we re-elected George Bush.”

        I’d also tell you my true weight.

        • oowawa

          LMAO Arabella. “Vee haf vays to make you talk!” You’ll not only be fessing up to your true weight, but your true age, your real name (you don’t think we really believe that ‘Arabella’ stuff, do you?), and . . . and . . . well I don’t know, but it’s going to be interesting to find out!

          I’m still stunned by The Tingler’s choice of words here. Doesn’t he know that euthanasia has been a topic in the wind lately, and that this topic has been a question mark posed against the O-Whole-Health plan? To invoke strapping folks down to gurneys and injecting them with sodium pentathol in order to question them about their innermost racial feelings is really incomprehensible and inexcusable.

          • oowawa

            in order to question interrogate them

          • Arabella Trefoil

            It says Arabella Trefoil on my birth certificate. It also says I was born in 1990.

            • oowawa

              Jawohl! We’ll see if you stick with that story once you’re strapped to the gurney and have a full plunger of truth serum pumped into your veins!

              • Arabella Trefoil

                Do your worst. Daily Kos has a copy of my COLB, and he and his minions will defend me.

                • lorac

                  Hey, I think I’m going to ask them to make me one that says I’m 29!

    • BlueTopaz

      If we strapped them all into gurneys and injected them with sodium pentothal, how many would say they don’t like the idea of a black president?

      I’d be happy to oblige on one condition, first do it to BO and all his cronies. I have quite a few ?s I’d like to ask them!

  • Cindy

    Thanks, AGII, for this post!
    And remember our FIRST Revolutionary War? The common people ( who wanted liberty and justice for all and NO taxation w/o being heard ) often looked like a bunch of ragtag unshaven scalawags who dressed, not in fancy dress, but like real folk, in their everyday clothes VS.
    the organized, well-dressed, robotic “yes” men of the King, who marched lock-step through the countryside in their bright pretty red uniforms.
    The King’s men did not appreciate the hearts and minds and love of liberty of the good people who were commoners. And that was their and the King’s downfall.
    I don’t think all of the King’s horses
    and all of the King’s men
    can put the egg that Obama has lain
    back together again.

  • helenk

    When was the last time an American president and political party declared war on the American people?
    That is what is happening now.
    Speak up and get attacked by thugs hired by a political party that cheated to select an unqualified person. Vote in certain states and it does not count until it is too late. FISA , now the latest internet spying plan , unable to talk to the so-called congress person that your taxes pay. Take your hard earned savings and give it to the fat cats. Take your taxes and give to wall street and screw the public. Cause an economic meltdown to redistribute wealth from the working person to give bonuses to the bad managers. Kill the American Dream.
    This is not the America I grew up in and people fought to keep free.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    Every time you use the term “ObamaCare” you show yourself as nothing but a shill for the insurance industry.

    Remember that all of the same BS arguments that the right wingers are making about the Public Option today, they made about Medicare in the 1960s. They were wrong then, and they are wrong today.

    • yazi

      “ObamaCare” is just a shorthand and there’s no reason to think that its use means what you say it means.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        Of course there is. Obama didn’t create the health care reform being debated in congress now. Calling it “ObamaCare” is entirely disingenuous. This entire line of attack has been created by the private health insurance industries in order to protect their interests against the creation of a public health care option.

        They are using the same lies and distortions they used in the 1960s to try and kill Medicare. And in the 1990s when they successfully killed Clinton’s reform.

        They have absolutely no concern for the health of the American citizens. All they care about is their billions of dollars in profits.

        To protect those profits they have created a misinformation campaign (which includes “astro-turfing”) designed to kill health reform at any costs. They know they can’t win a logical debate on the issues, so they yell “Death Panels!” in order to scare the people.

        Anyone fighting against health care reform who is not being paid by the health insurance industry in some way is extremely gullible. You are doing their bidding.

        • yazi

          This doesn’t make any sense. I don’t disagree that shouting “death panels” is misinformed nonsense. I don’t disagree that opposing health insurance reform is, in most people’s cases, against their self interest. But I don’t see how *simply* calling it ObamaCare is a slur. Look at how people on all sides still refer to the proposed health care reform of 1993 as HillaryCare. It’s just a shorthand for the larger concept of health care reform that *Obama* campaigned on and requested of Congress, and on which Congress is currently working.

          Your time is better spent, imho, fighting back substantive arguments and misinformation rather than the pure symbolism (if any) of “ObamaCare.”

          • oowawa

            I would be happy to use a more positive and uplifting term than ObamaCare. How about O-Whole-Health? Any other suggestions?

            • Diana L. C.

              I simply shake my head about all these accusations based on no evidence. Where is the evidence that insurance companies have paid people to protest? Where is the evidence that the Republican party is organizing these protests. (Though I’ve seen video evidence above of government or Democratic organizing of mobs to protest the protests,)

              If this issue has caused such a stir in the country and has gotten so many people to take time from their busy lives to protest, you would think that a government interested in “working across the aisle” or interested in the will of the people would slow down a little and work harder at getting consensus. What really makes no sense, Ms. Mouse, is someone who claims to believe in democracy trying to act like an old soviet party member and tell us how we MUST vote.

              As for the race issue, please give us a break because we’ll have to question your ability to reason even more than before. I think that O’s little misstep in the Gates Gate showed clearly who the biggest racist is in our country. Remember more people, including many, many AAs, supported the police over O and his good buddy, the Harvard professor.

              • Katmoon

                You would think our government would be as supportive of our protests as they were the Iraqi election protests.

                • Katmoon

                  My bad, good lord, I meant Iranian; ok time for a break.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            Well look at how “HillaryCare” turned out? They are using the same playbook they used to destroy health care reform in 1993. It’s up to the American people and the politicians in congress to not fall for it again.

        • Ms. Angie

          Remind me again how well Medicare is doing. If I recall the program is trillions in the red and cost double, if not more, the amount projected by congress in the 60′s.

          One other thing, take a look at how much Big Pharma’s throwing into the mix. 150-200 million dollars worth of support for this plan. Why? Well, two reasons Mouse, first being Obama has promised to cap the amount of profits they are going to give back to 80 million over the next ten years. Second, think of all that medicine they’re going to be able to sell when everyone’s seeking medical treatment on the government dime.

          Who I must ask is doing big businesses biddings? That my friend would be you, and from what it appears our congress and our president.

        • TeakWoodKite

          This entire line of attack has been created by the private health insurance industries in order to protect their interests against the creation of a public health care option.

          They already own BO. One signing statement and Zap! No worries mate.

          Anyone fighting against health care reform who is not being paid by the health insurance industry in some way is extremely gullible

          or “un-American? FU. Perhaps they are informed and have the intelligence you lack to use critical thinking skills. Again FU a-nony-mouse, you condescending prick.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

          go find a trap, mouse.

          everyone calls it obamacare.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            Everyone? No. I’ve never called it that, I’ve never heard anyone else who is for health care reform call it that either. I call it “the public option” (and of course there’s much more to the reform than just that, but that’s it’s most important feature) – that’s a very different thing than “single payer” (which is what most of us on the left actually want.)

        • Katmoon

          Mouse you do know you are in a room full of large cats, no? (PUMA). Sometimes we play with our prey first. Try some respect on for size, little one. Happy to honestly engage when you aren’t being quite so obtuse.

        • cathnealon

          Obamacare-Obamacare-Obamacare-Obamacare-Obamacare-Obamacare-Obamacare-Obamacare-

          • oowawa

            That rhythm–it’s hypnotic–kind of makes me want to sway and obey–like the pulse of African drums drifting across the treetops in the jungle . . . . Uh-oh. Now I did it.

            • Ferd Berfle

              I was thinking along the line of Kumbaya.

              Obamacare, my bot, obamacare.

              Oh, no. Stuck in my brain.

              Quick, time for the Gilligan’s Island theme.

              • oowawa

                Gilligan’s Island? LOL, Ferd. I find that “Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini” writes over and obliterates just about any other persistent trashy jingle.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  I find that “Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini” writes over and obliterates just about any other persistent trashy jingle.

                  Oh, no. Now I can’t get that out of my head. Must have… Beverly Hillbillies theme….

                  • oowawa

                    Aaaarrghhhh!

        • Wisewoman

          If this is such a ploy by the insurance companies why are they supporting Obama and the dems?

          • oowawa

            Uh, Wisewoman, you’re not supposed to ask that question.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            They aren’t supporting the Public Option – they are supporting the insurance mandate! That’s what they want. A mandate that everyone has to get health insurance without the public option being included. To me that’s completely 100% unacceptable – and if that is the final bill – I would be against. I’m still fighting for the inclusion of the public option. We have to have it. It’s an essential part of the reform.

            • Regina

              nony,
              Ask Obama what he spoke about when he held a closed door meeting with 5 large insurance companies who by the way, along with wall street, donated large amounts to his campaign. We know what wall street got from the obama stimulus/tarp money. Remember the halliburtan/cheney closed door meeting? Don’t blame the insurance lobbyists…..look at the insurance company monopoly group and ask Obama what he offered them.

        • Regina

          nony

          we all want health reform but not pelosi health reform. Many people call it Obamacare because he is our president. Should they call it Bushcare? As a retired high school math teacher I find the numbers do not add up. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I am sure that those in favor of the pelosi bill are well meaning……but short sited and limited in life experience. The healthcare bill has so many loopholes leading to unintended consequences that are bound by budget limits. The non partisan CBO contradicts the president. President Obama claimed yesterday at the NH town hall meeting that he will cut costs by cutting medicare waste by 2 billion….the CBO says that it will raise the national debt by a trillion. He also said that preventive care will reduce costs when in fact the CBO said that it will cost more than save. The math does not add up and people are not stupid and don’t want to be lied to again and again.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            If government run health care is so expensive than why does Medicare only have 3% operating costs vs. the 20% of the private health insurance industry? If it’s so expensive than how come our system is more expensive than any other system in the world? The truth is that in the long term moving to a government run insurance plan will save a huge amount of money. Of course it will have to be paid for – but so many people & businesses will be saving money by not having to pay for outrageous private insurance premiums that it will end up being a definite net positive.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Every time you use the term “ObamaCare” you show yourself as nothing but a shill for the insurance industry..

      To Shill or not to Shill?

      Sad Mouse, why do you care? OBAMACARE? That IS the point…He doesn’t.

      Or do you willfully and neglectfully over look the fact that BO has taken more money from the HC industry lobbyist than many of us will make in a life time?

      I am for Single Payer, but I do not believe or trust a damn thing this immoral creep has to say or ANY thing he is pushing.

      During the June health care presser BO held, he actually had the “audacity” to tell a questioner that her grandmother was to old to get a pacemaker operation and should just take the “pain medication”.

      Mouse, the WILL TO LIVE is defined by the force of Spirit, wether you are 100 or 2 years of age; which BO does not respect. So it’s nothing personal when I ask you to frag off with your BS. People WILL DIE and BO and NANCY WILL have MORE American blood on THEIR hands. If you support this “BILL” you WILL have blood on your hands as well.

      Shill? Mouse you don’t even understand that the HC power structure will remain unchanged do you? You don’t get that there will be less choice and more costs that WILL affect other areas of the Economy for A LONG TIME?

      Basic econ 101; when the price of something is subsidized or priced artificially below actual cost of said product, it will have a negative effect on the market place. Companies that provided healthcare insurance will be left chasing fewer dollars as the Fed borrows the 2 trillion, which will lead to higher costs. The US Government will be FORCED to control costs. How do they do this historically Mouse? Do you know?

      And to think Communist China will be financing the “Government Option”! What does that say?

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        If you’re for “single payer” and you’re fighting against this reform then … you are fighting against yourself. Obviously this isn’t the single payer that you (and I and many others) want. But it’s obviously a step in the right direction (provided of course that the public option is included – and that’s what we have to be fighting for right now.)

        • Katmoon

          Here you are again, with your baiting. You never make conversation, you simply come here to agitate. Teak has more intellect and comprehension in his little finger than you will gain in a lifetime.

        • TeakWoodKite

          Sad Mouse. YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION;

          The US Government will be FORCED to control costs. How do they do this historically Mouse? Do you know?

          And for the step in the right direction CRAP. That step is is the last step in a lemmings life. Good luck.

    • tzada

      Oh really? I don’t have insurance, I don’t want insurance and I am damned sure never going to have your death insurance! I pay as I go and I don’t take handouts and I don’t take taxpayers money to promote hate and disention. And nobody pays me to go protest or come here with fellow Patriots.

      The CURRENT administration has declared war on the United STATES of America and we the People are not going to take it any more.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        So who pays for you when you get sick and go to the ER? Everyone else who has health insurance! Your attitude is childish at best.

    • Obamastolemycountry

      You’re right anonymouse. Obamacare is the wrong term. The correct term is Obamadoesn’tcare or better yet, Obamastolemyhealthcare.

    • Cahil

      Nothing like make a generalization.

  • yazi

    I don’t agree with much on NQ, but I agree that this astroturfing canard is pretty dumb. Wouldn’t *you* astroturf if you could? (Of course. Everyone does it.) In the end, it doesn’t matter how, or if, like-minded folks are organized.

    And focusing on astroturfing takes attention from the fact that a *lot* of people who are *loudly* protesting at the town hall meetings are not there to have a constructive debate/discussion/argument/anything, they are avowedly there to disrupt the meetings. Democracy is supposed to be about voting based on ideas, not on fear, intimidation or might.

    Everyone should be upset by these folks. Anyone who is there to OPPOSE healthcare should be upset because they too are being drowned out by and, not to mention, lumped in with, these destructive protesters.

    • tzada

      oh the concerned troll……..

    • WhatNow

      yazi states: “And focusing on astroturfing takes attention from the fact that a *lot* of people who are *loudly* protesting at the town hall meetings are not there to have a constructive debate/discussion/argument/anything, they are avowedly there to disrupt the meetings. Democracy is supposed to be about voting based on ideas, not on fear, intimidation or might.”

      I agree that members of Acorn, SEIU, Organizing for America,etc should listen to what you’re saying but they are too busy earning their 9.95 an hour and busting knee caps.

    • tzada

      Much as you would like it to be. America is not a domocracy it is a Republic. The name has nothing to do with either party. Read you Constitution and History books. No where in the Consitution does it say democracy. Lucky for you too. Because if it was a democracy right now this bunch of astroturfers here, a/s/k as “the mob” would vote you out of this dialogue.

      • yazi

        the two are not mutually exclusive. we have a republic that happens to be a democracy but is not a purely direct democracy.

        • Ferd Berfle

          It is a Representative Republic, equivocator bot. Parsing bullshit like you do just makes really thin bullshit. It still stinks and is best left in the fields as fertilizer.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Ode de Petaluma! um!

            • Ferd Berfle

              LMAO

          • yazi

            What do you think the “representative” part means? It’s distinguishing it as a representative democracy instead of a direct democracy. Republic means there is no monarch. Representative defines the type of democracy.

            Even so, none of what you say changes what I said unless you think we don’t have a government of/by/for the people — whatever you call it.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Stop using the term “Democracy”, fool. This isn’t a Democracy, irrespective of your sophomoric rantings to the contrary. You ought to actually read more and comment somewhere else. The regulars here are a lot brighter than you, 10-watter that you are.

              • yazi

                democracy:

                government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

                - Dictionary.com

                government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

                - Merriam-Webster

                Now, how is the United States not a democracy?

                I repeat, this is not mutually exclusive with the fact that this country is a republic.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  We don’t fall into the first category…

                  or the second.

                  You fail to comprehend that the “rule of the majority” is tempered by a respect for the minority, which is nowhere to be found in a democracy. The founding Fathers weren’t democrats or Democrats, boob. This was, is, and will be a Representative Republic and a nation of LAWS–not of men. That you cannot comprehend that nuance says more about your education and comprehension than anything I could ever post. Your muddled thinking about the term democracy has been fully demonstrated. It is all about definitions and proper use of language. This is why your idol, That One gets away with so much crap. He changes definitions just as you have. I don’t buy into your crap. Now go peddle your high-school understanding of our system of government somewhere else. You haven’t the foggiest notion about that which your bray.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    And you’re going to have a hissy-fit with the nation of LAWS part–I just know it. Well, toodles, men come and go; live and die. The law is the only constant and the Constitution is its framework.

                    • yazi

                      couldn’t agree more.

                  • yazi

                    well, all i did was quote the definitions. but you’re right. it is a _constitutional_ representative democracy. i have no quibble with that.

                    again, why do you think this makes a difference to what i said originally? we agree about the by/for/of the people part. the rest is semantics.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      You are using equivocation to claim that we are a democracy. I am using definitions to demonstrate that we are not. Are you 12 or just really slow?

                      Tell me, boy-blunder, if we are a democracy, as you have posited, then why do we need an Electoral College? Because the existence of the lesser in number sometimes outweighs the needs of the majority to exercise its will.

                      If we are a Democracy, as you have posited, why are the minority allowed full access to decision making as the majority? Because to do otherwise would make this an oligarchy, or worse, a realm of the despot.

                      If we are a Democracy, as you have posited, why do we have Federal, State, and local governments since they would be unnecessary?Because dilution of power is a necessity to ensure no single entity takes complete power.

                      You are two things, beavis:

                      1) Ignorant and
                      2) Dogmatic

                      Just like your mentor, the south-side village idiot who still hasn’t read Article II of the Constitution.

                      I’m done with trying to communicate with an automaton like you. Have a nice life on skid row, Chester.

                • TeakWoodKite

                  rule of the majority

                  If that were true Hillary Clinton would be POTUS.

                  through a system of representation

                  Some might call that art, others political donations, myself? I just call it as I see it and I say bulllllllshit.

                  What did BO call it in his book?; “sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

        • don tufts

          i wonder how you react when you are lied to and spoken to like your a misguided child.specter today when asked about a specific page and line number told the questioner a liar.he also said dont be concerned the senate has not passed a bill yet,very true however once passed it goes to reconciliation with the house bill and we are screwed,READ THE FRIGGING BILL BOTS OPEN YOUR EYES.

      • TeakWoodKite

        BOmocracy?

        • jwrjr

          In practical terms, more like O-monarchy.

          • jwrjr

            Or maybe O-ligarchy.

  • Doc99

    There’s nothing like a Town Hall Meeting held in the Potemkin Village.

    • required reading

      Usually when the tsar goes away, the Village is dismantled and people get back to their real lives. Dare we hope that this will happen now too?

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    This is probably the first time in years that these congresstwerps had to be subjected to feedback from their constitiuents. Most of the time they’re wining and dining lobbyists and their high dollars donors and political events that are scripted and staged and packed with fawning minions. They have no idea how pissed off and agry the electorate is right now.

    Because they’re so out of touch the only conclusion the congress and media twerps can come with is that this is just phoney and staged, and that everyone really loves Obama, the Dems and DC politicians in general.

    • yazi

      If the constituents had more substantive (and informed) feedback, it would be easier to draw the conclusions that you have.

      • tzada

        Here is some feedback for you.

        New Poster Reveals the Ugly Face of Racism

        http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/10/new-poster-reveals-the-ugly-face-of-racism/

        And this picture will always be on my mind and laughter on my tongue…….

        • Tammy

          OMG.
          Obama as Tinky Winky?
          That is too funny.
          Didn’t some crazy evangelist deem Tinky Winky as the “gay” one? LOL

          How absolutely stupid. Racist? HA!

          • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

            Is that serious or snark? I can’t tell. If it isn’t Tom Bevan needs to find a new line of work.

            • yazi

              From the first line of the linked article:

              SATIRE ALERT

              • oowawa

                Yes, satire of course. But to me, at least, very effective and to-the-point satire.

      • Katmoon

        Just a thought, your view of substantial and others are probably different. I’m sure the people asking the questions were not aware of having to meet a standard of being informed based on a perception unknown to them.

        Wow, I guess unless we all think alike, we are just uninformed. This is why people get angry; this is why it is called an opinion, it is an individual thought, not a collective. The voters are who they are from where ever they are from, and if the politician is good(hey is that an oxymoron?) they know their constituent group; as in an overall understanding of what that particular geographical area is functioning as; per a community view. If the politician doesn’t care and is out of touch, I guess they will then be shocked.

        • yazi

          It’s true. Everything is relative. Let the philosopher sort that out.

          But, as an example, I think that holding a sign that claims that Obama is a Nazi, or Hitler, or something similar, is decidedly NOT as substantive as trying to ask the Congressperson a question or voice a concern about the *substance* of a proposed bill/reform. Or even just holding your little sign and making your point.

          But *if* your whole intent is to shut down the discussion, I don’t see how that is substantive by any mainstream definition.

          • Animal Control

            But *if* your whole intent is to shut down the discussion,

            And you can prove to know other’s intent because..?

            • yazi

              well, some people have made their intent quite plain. others, of course, i wouldn’t know.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Then let me put it to you in another way. The political continuum is often though of as a line with the hard right on one end and the hard left on the other. Put those ends together and you get That One. He is neither and both at the same time. Many of his policies are just a continuation of Shrub’s, even ones he claimed to be against. He is also a knee-jerk, with emphasis on jerk, left-wing radical.

            He is a fascist, socialist, and a combination of the two all at the same time. He manages to incorporate the worst of the left and right into a unholy singularity. You can argue until your face turns as blue as That One’s lips for all I care. It is you who lacks discernment when speaking to issues of substance.

            No one here wants to shut down discussion–we just won’t stand for That One and bot’s equivocation, diversion, and lies any longer.

            • imustprotest

              I think you need to use String Theory to try to explain where Barry OSoetoro stands politically.

              • jwrjr

                not Chaos Theory?

            • oowawa

              The political continuum is often though of as a line with the hard right on one end and the hard left on the other. Put those ends together and you get That One. He is neither and both at the same time. . . . He manages to incorporate the worst of the left and right into an unholy singularity.

              Oh, I like this. He’s like the uroboros, the image of the circled snake swallowing its tail. This also fits in with the Narcissism theme, plus the dark demonic Jungian “shadow” upon which the radiant saviour with halo is projected. Oh, Carl Gustav Jung would have been ecstatic with the possibility of analyzing the strange mythic implications of O. Archetypes on parade!

      • Ani

        They might be able to offer more ‘substantive and informed feedback’ if they were getting any accurate and substantive explanations of what is in this bill in the first place.

        Many of these reps. just talk in pabulum, no specifics and think they are too good to even bother explaining something they themselves do not comprehend. After the stimulus, car bailout and TARP disasters, how can you blame voters for not just taking what the gov’t says on faith?

        If Rep. Conyers, who has been in congress forever says he doesn’t even get it, and two lawyers wouldn’t be able to help him — that is a pretty good indicator of a problem, wouldn’t you say?

        This is precisely why the rank and file are frustrated.

        • yazi

          but i hope you would agree that at least some protesters came to the town hall meetings NOT to ask for that information, but to shut down the meetings. these people have plainly stated that it was their goal. that’s what i object to.

          • TeakWoodKite

            so you object to BO’s thugs in the Democratic caucuses right? But you voted for him anyway?

            Just asking.

            • yazi

              i would object to that. it might not be the *only* thing i would base my vote on.

              • Ferd Berfle

                No, the other thing for you was the hopey-changey express, which now is the doom-and-gloom dinghy.

                You’re only pissed because you fell for a con-man, albeit a good one, but a con-man nevertheless.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  ps:

                  If I were you, I’d pay close attention to the rats who are jumping off–you might want to follow them.

                • yazi

                  only, i’m not pissed.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    The Kool-Aide is still working, then. You’re going to be one of the millions who will be needing an intervention, soon. That rotgut wagon varnish is rotting your pipes.

                    • Wisewoman

                      Ferb. You da man!

  • I’m a Linda too

    This is just amazing. Lucky to have this footage.

    It’s also another piece confirming what most of us was saying, that the folks calling us non supporters were racists. Usually a racist calls others racist especially when it’s been pulled out of their ass in accusing, when there was no example of it.

    Whites in particular looked at the Obama’s as like a novelty, a token to hold up and say, “look at me, I’m supporting a black man”, either to prove they weren’t racist, or just supporting him because he was black. Many of them thought his color automatically meant he would be some real Democrat. Many never really had interactions with blacks. Thats why you also see places that are typically very WHITE, like Vermont, Obama has the highest aproval rating. They voted based on color.

    Unlike most of us that have protested for Civil and equal rights. lived with, our lives completely iteracted with all races or ethnic groups and our best friends of different races. We were so beyond that, we measure people on theirselves, their character and actions. We didn’t dangle symbols…or race.

    This woman in the video is just amazing. And sick, she had to take a picture of the black man at the Health Care forum? I mean really. And then she had to go further “and you’re biracial, like he is”. OMG

    • yazi

      You’re just turning around and painting another group (northern whites) with a similarly broad brush. Without evidence.

      • I’m a Linda too

        Uh, no, no I’m not. I’m sorry you aren’t aware, but to to Gallup and see the poll numbers I was talking about. The very WHITE states, like Vermont, and that is a given, we know their population, has the highest numbers for Obama.

        You’re welcome.

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx

        • yazi

          Right, and I could find polls about southern whites, or blacks, or all kinds of things. It’s beside the point. The broad-brush part is where you presume to know WHY these people are voting how they’re voting.

          NQers (reasonably) don’t like being told they are racist simply b/c there seem to be a lot of racist anti-Obama people out there. Northern whites, presumably, don’t like being told that they voted for Obama simply b/c he was a token black person.

          • I’m a Linda too

            yazi lol…just go back to your Obots and tell them you hit as many comments as possible to claim opposite and pick up your check. lmao

            save your Obamaizing “Argue with them” “get in their face” “Say anything “”Punch back twice as hard” – Obama for the next site, OK? lol

            • yazi

              Can’t help but notice that you’re not addressing the substance of what my comment. Oh well.

              • WhatNow

                Yazi – you don’t have any substance – read the bill, than point out, line by line how Obama – Hell – Care is not going to do ___________(fill in the blank). Otherwise you’re just harassing with your hope that you get another health insurance company in America. We need another insurance company like you need a diaper change.

                • yazi

                  wait, really? you won’t be satisfied unless i can prove that “the bill” doesn’t do … but then you don’t tell me what it’s not supposed to do? okay.

                  • andysf

                    How can you honestly think that a Govt run program on top of a HC company run program will save money? it’s spending an additional trillion on top of the hundreds of billions of profit for the insurance industry every year? It that how you would run a business? Have more middle man and hope the cost will go down as a result?

                    By having the Govt lock into an agreement with the drug companies, ban the re-importation of drug is like giving bandits a free pass to rob you in the future. But that’s fine with you because it’s supported by Obama. Grow up, or try to grow some money on trees!

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      Everything Yazoo knows about anything can be placed on a 3 x 5 card that can be read from 20 feet away, without the use of any sort of magnification.

                    • yazi

                      well, this thread *was* about making broad generalizations. i’m not sure how we got to this discussion but i haven’t actually said anything about what i think about the reform plans. but, honestly, what you’re describing doesn’t sound like anything i’ve read about so far.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      You are the generalizer, dipshit. You come here making patently false statements about things that you aren’t even marginally qualified to make and then take US to task for making factual statements, which you then say are generalizations.

                      1. You wouldn’t know a fact if it crawled into bed with you,
                      2. That fact would soon leave when it discovered with whom it was sharing a bunk, and
                      3. You would need a Kool-aide botshot having been so close to the truth.

                      Shut your gaping maw of a stupid piehole, would you?

                    • andysf

                      lol, like all O supporters, the moment you put up fact or anything of substance, they will just change the subject. They are incapable of thinking in depth.

                  • don tufts

                    arnt you even a little suspicious of the fact big pharma is willing to put up 140 million DOLLARS in advertising to get the bill passed.
                    if you think those boys are doing this for the good of the country go ask your parents how many times they dropped you on your head.

            • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

              I think Yazi earned the “Big Grab” pack of Cheetos this week!

              Congrats Kool Aid Drinker!

              • I’m a Linda too

                DAMN, I knew I messed up! I could have traded one of my Cheerio’s cars on the Cash for Clunkers program. I bet that was about the speed (ha ha ) the program was based. It makes perfect sense now. And I know those little push cars get less than 18 miles to the gallon. :)

          • Docelder

            It’s more cultural and class than race Yazi. Northerners put more stock in the educational elite than people do in the South. People in the South put more stock in common sense than northerners do. Northern people might call these southerners hicks, and in return the southerners might chalk that up to being a yank.

            • yazi

              Sure. But in both cases, these would be generalizations that aren’t necessarily helpful. They happen. Sometimes, they’re useful. But I thought that the original poster here was decrying broad generalizations by fighting back with some of his/her own.

              • Ferd Berfle

                Here’s a generalization for you:

                All bots are morons
                Yazi is a bot
                Ergo, Yazi is a moron.

                Since the first and second are self-evident and the middle term is distributed quite nicely, you, troll, are an f-ing bot. Now run along.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  Oopsie

                  Let me try that again by rephrasing thusly:

                  Since the first and second are self-evident and the middle term is distributed quite nicely, you, troll, are moron.

                  NOW you may run along.

    • tzada

      Racism in health care bill seen by US Commission on Civil Rights

      The US Commission on Civil Rights is proving a thorn in the side of the Obama administration. First it has problems with Attorney General Eric Holder’s Justice Department dropping of the New Black Panther voter rights intimidation case. Now it sees the House health care bill having provisions that are racially discriminatory.

      How? By making overt a preference to award billions of taxpayer dollars and preferential treatment to minority students for scholarships, and favoring medical schools that have a record of sending graduates to areas with inadequate health care services. Jennifer Haberkorn of the Washington Times has an exclusive story:

      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/racism_in_health_care_bill_see.html

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Great post AGI.

    I see things going on that make me remember so clearly my husband’s parents (holocaust survivors) sating about what they saw going on in Warsaw before they decided to run for the Russian border (didn’t make it).

    It was what too many thought were just little things, things that couldn’t really mean that anything horrible was about to happen.

    The Warsaw Massacre.

    • yazi

      This is hysterical nonsense. On what basis can you conclude that this administration has any desire to commit genocide against anyone?

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        These folks don’t need evidence. They have no interest in “facts.” They enjoy being “scared” and yelling “Death Panels!” Reality is of no concern for these people. I just wish they would go away and let the adults take care of business. We need health care reform. Stop acting like children.

        • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

          Ezekial Emmanuel, you know, Rahm’s brother and close advisor to Obama on his health care plan wrote several articles and books on how tough choices would have to be made in rationing health care. Look it up, instead of using the tired Obama tactic of saying that everyone who doesn’t agree with you is lying or a racist.

          • yazi

            There’s a certain irony to that suggestion. Ezekiel Emanuel, who’s currently advising the administration on healthcare reform through a post at the White House Office of Management and Budget, is actually one of the country’s leading medical ethicists, a forceful defender of people approaching the end of their life. Indeed, he opposes even voluntary euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide.

            The charges against the doctor are “a gross distortion of Dr. Emanuel’s 25 years as an oncologist and leading academic researcher,” Kenneth Baer, the communications director at OMB, told Salon. “He has dedicated his professional life to improving the quality of care and giving more choices to terminally ill patients. He was an outspoken public opponent of euthanasia when the Supreme Court was considering the legality of physician-assisted suicide.

            Full Article.

            There is plenty of hard evidence in the linked article. Don’t believe everything that lands in your inbox.

            • eleana

              Do you mean the same Dr.Ezekiel Emanuel who said” The Hippocratic Oath is taken to seriously”?

              The health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They’d decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

              Yet at least two of President Obama’s top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

              Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

              Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. “Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely ‘lipstick’ cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change,” he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008). Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, “as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others” (Journal of the AMA.June 18, 2008).

              Yes, that’s what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

              Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they’ll tell you that a doctor’s job is to achieve socialjustice one patient at a time.

              Emanuel,believes that”communitarianism” should guide decisionson who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens Sunday.July26.2009. NYPost

              • yazi

                Medicare is already a government-run program.

                Also, right now private insurance companies decide what is covered, based on their bottom line. Is that any better than the dystopia you describe?

                • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                  Exactly. I find it amazing that people talk about how “scary” the possibility of a government run health insurance program is while completely ignoring how scary our current system is:

                  #1) We rank #37 in the world in health care despite spending more than any other nation on health care.

                  #2) Our life expectancy is #50 in the world. Is that really acceptable for a nation as rich as ours?

                  #3) If you have a private health insurance plan and you get extremely sick or badly injured (ie: you start to cost them money) there’s a 50% chance they will find some way to drop your coverage. I’m not kidding. THAT is scary. That is what so many people are fighting for! A 50% chance that they will not be covered when they need it most. It’s mind boggling when you really think about it.

                  #4) We have a bankruptcy rate that is 20X that of the UK, almost entirely because of health care costs for people with inadequate health care coverage.

                  #5) We have 50 million people without any health care coverage at all. And considering how many people depend upon employer based health coverage – there’s very little security in economic times like these.

                  #6) If left unchanged our current health care system will eventually bankrupt our entire economy.

                  #7) Many people can’t get coverage because of a “pre-existing condition.”

                  These anti health care reform zealots scream about the possible negatives of health care reform (usually based on fabrications & distortions) while ignoring the very real problems we have now.

                  I think if people really knew how bad our current system was and how likely it is that they could be cut off from their coverage when they need it most that there would be next to no support for keeping the status quo. It’s up to the President and those fighting for health care reform to make these facts known.

                  The status quo is completely unacceptable and it’s what you are fighting for when you fight against health care reform.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Christ are you a truly ignorant bot. There are many ways to repair this system but that fustercluck of a bill is not one of them.

                    One thing that someone like you could do is get a job, twit. You hang around this website all day with nothing better to do than bore us with your empty platitudes, hollow rhetoric, and retread PowerPoint talking points. I’m surprised you aren’t dizzy with all that quasar-like spinning you’re doing. If you blow chunks, kindly direct them at your boyfriend, Yazi.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            “rationing” already takes place with the current private health insurance industry system. This is nothing but a scare tactic. The truth is now rationing takes place based on the profits of the health insurance industry rather than on what’s best for the people as a whole.

            • imustprotest

              “best for the people as a whole”….BONK!! WRONG!!! “what’s best for the patient” is what most people want to hear.

              • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                Well obviously. That’s what I mean. Right now what happens is best for the health insurance industry’s profits, not what’s best for the patient. That’s clear by the fact we are paying more for health care than any other nation on earth yet we rank only #37 in health care and #50 in life expectancy. Our current system is broken. That’s why we so badly need health care reform so that health care can once again be about a doctor and his or her patient rather than a health insurance company and it’s profits.

                • imustprotest

                  Well then perhaps Obama should fire his health advisor, Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rham. Zeke is on record with statements that sound like rationing will be based on whether or not the patient can make contributions to society or whether they would just be added expense. His statements sound like he feels some people are disposable. I also believe health care reform is necessary and that decisions should be made by the patient’s doctor about what is best for the patient. But Dr. Zeke says stuff like this:

                  In a separate 1996 article for the Hastings Center Report, Emanuel spoke about rationing care away from those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens” to the non-disabled, adding “An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

                  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                    Yes but is anything like that actually in the health reform bill? I think it’s a stretch to take this quote from 1996 and to try to make that scarier than our current health care system in which rationing happens all the time based on what will make the health insurance company the most money.

                    If you have private health insurance – right now there’s a 50% chance that your health care coverage will be dropped (for any BS reason that the health insurance company can come up with) if you get seriously ill or injured. This is the scary truth that must be repeated and repeated time and time again – because it is far far FAR more frightening than any of the lies being told about health care reform.

                    And when confronted about this in congressional hearings the health insurance industry said they would not change their policy of “rescission” whenever possible.

                    The first thing the health insurance company does when they find out you are going to be costing them money is to look through your medical history to see if they can find any legal reason to destroy your health care contract (ie they search for a “pre existing condition”) … They often deny coverage to start with, just to see if you’ll ask for it again.

                    When you really learn about how the health insurance industry works … it just makes you sick to your stomach to know that so many of your well intentioned fellow Americans are fighting to keep the system just like this. It just makes you sick to your stomach.

                • Docelder

                  Right now what happens is best for the health insurance industry’s profits, not what’s best for the patient.

                  except you leave out pharma and the hospital corporations. Nobody in Washington DC cares anything about regular people. This is just a game to divide us and to make us believe we have a voice… we have no voice anymore. This is the biggest lie of them all… that we are being represented… we are not.

                  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                    There will likely always be someone scamming somebody. The point is to try to get that scam down to as small a percentage as possible so that more of us can have the health care coverage that we need.

                    Unless there is something inherently broken with the American way (and there just may be… seeing the way the insurance companies have been able to trick people into fighting for them instead of for their health) I see no reason why our health care system can’t be as good as that in other Western nations.

                    Is there something about France that allows them to have a much better health care system than us? Why can’t we match them? We need to set our sights higher in this country.

                    • Docelder

                      I would like to see single payer. What this is turning out to be is another 1000 page bill that nobody knows what it is that in the end I fear is just going to perpetuate the worst in our current health system. We need to quit passing bills until we figure things out. We can’t afford any more mistakes.

                    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                      I want to see single payer as well. But I think saying that just because we can’t get what we really need (the political forces against single payer are just too strong to overcome in one bound) doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything to move in the right direction. I think a strong public option could definitely move us in that direction.

                      I know that I would definitely choose the public option over the private health insurance companies because I don’t trust those companies, I know the truth of what they are up to and how often they take away coverage from those who need it most.

                      I’m sure many people would be switching to the public option once they realized how much better it was… And then eventually with time – perhaps that system could be expanded to become a real “single payer” system.

                      I think we have to accept the political realities here. Yes a single payer system would be the best case scenario, but considering the huge push back at even giving people the OPTION to choose a government plan, imagine the push back at saying we should have a real national health care system?

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      and you trust your BO government?

                      THAT is laughable. If you have read the house bill, it not an OPTION, over the period of several years people who have ANY changes in their coverage offered such as prescriptions co pays etc, will be FORCED into the public option.

                      Mouse read much?

        • tango

          WE WANT REFORM!!! WHAT WE DON’T LIKE IS THE STUPID CRAP BILL THAT’S CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. WE ARE NOT AGAINST REFORM – WE WELCOME IT. BUT NOT THIS WAY, RUSHED THROUGH WITHOUT SPECIFICS.

          And before you say there are specifics, I challenge you to read the bill and tell me specifically what mandatory insurance coverages must be offered in order for an insurance company to get the ok from the federal government to offer insurance? Remember, a panel will decide what minimum insurance coverage will be required so it can approve or disaprove insurers and plans. So will physicals be covered for kids who wish to participate in school sports? How about fertility treatments? Long term hospital care? How about hospice? What does it say about reconstructive surgery? What?? You mean the bill doesn’t say specifically the minimum coverages they will require? If not, why not? How come in a 1000 page plus bill where 10 pages are spent specifically describing the end of life planning talk a doctor is supposed to give every 5 years, there’s not mention of what minimum insurance coverages the government feels is appropriate? It seems if you want me to accept this bill, prove to me that the benefits that will ultimately be offered are better than what I have now.

          You act like anything being offered is OK just because the Democrats presented it. How absolutely naive you are. And how lazy. Shame on you – you should want to fight for the best bill possible instead of settle for half rate horsesh*t!

          You’re seriously ok with illegal aliens getting free health care? You’re seriously ok with illegal aliens not being subject to paying a penalty like American citizens if they don’t purchase health care? Those are two conditions I don’t agree with and I am enjoying my American right to protest!

        • Ferd Berfle

          Facts? LMAO, anonyrat. The only fact surrounding you is that you, too, are a single-digit IQ obamabot with all the grace and charm of a tree slug. And your brother yazi plays a pan flute while running naked around the forest.

          Go fuck yourselves.

          • Katmoon

            No honey, tell me how you really feel. Whew!

      • TeakWoodKite

        WHEN BO TOLD A WOMEN AT HIS JUNE PRESSER THAT HER MOTHER WAS TO OLD TO GET A PACE MAKER AND SHOULD JUST DIE!

        • yazi

          link?

          • TeakWoodKite

            Take the Pain killer and call me in the morning…oops you will be DEAD, never mind.

            So if her doctor says lets do it and after getting a second opinion and bearing witness to the WILL TO LIVE, your president say the cost is too great take a pill and DIE. This from a guy who did not even attend his grandmothers funeral.

            This is directly from the frauds mouth, not mine. For objecting to this I am “un-American”?

            • yazi

              did i ever say you were un-American?

              i don’t think the link came through.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Yes you DID. Why?

                This is hysterical nonsense. On what basis can you conclude that this administration has any desire to commit genocide against anyone?

                You this up thread.

                Here is the link.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

                • yazi

                  I don’t see how that shows that I am calling you un-American. Not even a little bit.

                  Thanks for the link. I think Obama punted on the actual question asked by saying that they couldn’t solve all hard problems, and then pivoted to a talking point on comparative effectiveness, in general. IMO.

                  • TeakWoodKite

                    Your full of the IMO crap. Flat out, he didn’t “punt”. He said that she couldn’t have the operation.

                    Are you that lacking in verbal communication that I could threaten the well being of your mother (I wouldn’t myself) and you would respond with “comparative effectiveness” ???WTF?

                    She be dead. oops. Who you going to talk to about that? The government that murdered your innocent mother for having the WILL TO LIVE? You immoral cretin.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      Yazi plays a pan flute, teak. He’s already doomed.

                    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                      TeakWeak – This entire argument is a diversion from the real issues because this kind of “rationing” already takes place all the time with the current private health insurance system. To make it sound like it’s some “scary thing that happens with government health insurance” is incredibly disingenuous.

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      It is TeakWoodKite to you Mouse.

                      Are you Daffy? Yes rationing takes place. When the my Government decides it is OK to KILL an innocent civilian, disregarding THEIR WILL TO LIVE, you Bet it is a “SCARY” thing.

                      Come back when you can understand that NO government should be allowed to deny care that is between a doctor and the patient. BO flat out said the women should DIE. WHY? Because she is too OLD.

                      if you can’t understand that is immoral and repugnant then the “step in the right direction” you want will be your death at the hands of a government.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      TeakWeak – This entire argument is a diversion from the real issues because this kind of “rationing” already takes place all the time with the current private health insurance system. To make it sound like it’s some “scary thing that happens with government health insurance” is incredibly disingenuous.

                      Well, anonyrat, only if you either have no insurance or aren’t independently wealthy. If you need healthcare insurance, anonyturd, get a god-damn job and stop wasting valuable time here at NQ. No one cares a whit what sort of crap rattles about that empty box you euphemistically call a skull. Oh, I forgot, no one will hire a person whose only experience is posting retread rubbish from the collective works of a conman turned president.

  • tzada

    Breaking– Kenneth Gladney Will File Hate Crime Charges Against Leftist Attackers …Update: Carnahan Activists Arrested

    Allman in the Morning at 97.1 FM Talk Radio reported today that Kenneth Gladney, the man who was beaten by Russ Carnahan-supporting SEIU thugs after a town hall meeting last Thursday, will file hate crime charges against his attackers. 5 people were arrested at the town hall meeting after the public beating of Gladney. At least one of the Leftist attackers called him a n**ger before pummeling him.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/kenneth-gladney-files-hate-crime.html

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      You can almost hear Eugene Robinson’s head explode as we type, lol.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      You are so missing the real interesting thing about this story. A man fights against health care reform. Gets injured. And now he’s asking for donations to cover his health care costs.

      It’s almost as ironic as the Medicare recipients yelling about “keeping the Government out of my Medicare!”

      • tzada

        Rat in a trap You are missing the point, if he had not been attacked he would need no donations!

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          No. You’re missing the point. People get sick and injured. It’s part of life.

          This idiot was fighting against health care insurance when it’s apparent he didn’t have adequate insurance himself. The stupidity is overwhelming. It’s Darwinian.

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            Yeah, but the problem is, Gladney isn’t the one getting sued! Gladney wasn’t the one hauled off to jail for perpetrating physical assault!

            So the joke is – the one supporting Obomination’s health”care” bill is the one who ended up with the legal problems!

            A few bumps and bruises are much preferable to arrest, record, and jail! Not to mention legal fees and restitution!

            HAHAHAHA!

      • HARP

        Are you getting tired of all the negative threads over at Kos ?

      • JRD

        This is who beat up Gladney.Elston K. McCowan is a former organizer – now the Public Service Director of SEIU Local 2000 – and board member of the Walbridge Community Education Center, and is a Baptist minister, has been a community organizer for more than 23 years, and now, he is running for Mayor of the City of St. Louis under the Green Party.

        McCowan accused the Mayor of setting fire to his van . . . because that’s
        what big city mayors do in their spare time, I guess. He also called [St
        Louis Mayor Francis] Slay a racist. And, on election night, McCowan thanked the family who voted for him. It was quite touching, actually.

        McCowan is not a rank-and-file, card-carrying union guy. He is a director
        with SEIU. He IS the union. He ISSUES the cards. Andy Stern himself might
        as well have kicked Gladney.

        “Green Party” as in Appollo Alliance avowed COMMUNIST 0bama Green Czar Van Jones.

        APPOLLO ALLIANCE= ACORN+SEIU+ GREEN JOBS=MARXISM

        You`ve been outed dirtbag. Take your communism and GTFOH!http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/beethovenqueen-on-being-green-transparency-and-back-room-deals/

        Want some morehttp://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/cpusa-unity-of-action/

      • imustprotest

        not true mousy, the man is unemployed, but still has insurance with his wife.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          If he has insurance then why is he asking for hand outs? Lame.

      • tango

        Link please to where he’s asking for donations? He has insurance through his wife. Why would he need donations?

  • Katmoon

    Brace for the rush of o supporters jacked up from his town hall meeting; or was it a campaign speech? It’s already started all over the net, the self congratulatory, brave and fearless leader, yes we can, (hurl), again.

    For what seems like a more non-staged version of a town hall meeting, complete with real concerned citizens, perhaps Specter’s meeting is more a true sample than the circus that came to New Hampshire. I tried to watch o live and could not make it past the first five minutes. Will watch in doses, with shots of pepto.

    • HARP

      Obama said he can`t trust the Government:

      “…If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine; It’s the Post Office that is always running into problems.”

      What a rookie!!!

      • yazi

        What a rookie!!!

        I have to agree with this. This probably wasn’t the best way to make his point.

        • Docelder

          I think this is where his achilles heel will be. Because he runs everything through a focus group before saying it and because he only wants to hear from supporters… then the focus groups will be stacked with supporters who will lick his shoes no matter what is said. A group of his flock wouldn’t see the dissonance in stating that the post office has problems. So, why can’t he see this himself? The same reason he has never touched a baseball outside of an all star game… he isn’t an authentic American and wasn’t raised like the rest of us were. He really hasn’t the first clue. He is like a American cultural Bambi.

          • yazi

            So now one has to play baseball to be an authentic American? Is that in the Constitution?

            • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

              Oh yeah, baseball is in the Constitution, didn’t you know that?!
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              (sssshhhhhhh…don’t tell him, it may be the first time ever an Obot will read the constitution)

            • Docelder

              Well, my assertion that he lacks empathy is gaining momentum. You have to have empathy to lead. He has none and therefore can’t lead… he can only campaign and organize.

              The president has a problem. For, despite a great election victory, Mr. Obama, it becomes ever clearer, knows little about Americans

              http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html

      • olivia1998

        I picked-up on that comment. What a nut

      • TorchWood

        THIS is “ready to rule on day one”?

        Jeebus

        • Docelder

          Plastic Jeebus ;)

          • TeakWoodKite

            Torchwood; rule as opposed to govern.

            @Harp; I missed BO today, did he actually say he doesn’t trust himself?

            Is he actually trotting out that line from the primaries again?

            @Katmoon; what flavor? :LOL:

            • Katmoon

              Mint, the pink has gotten old, ughh.

            • HARP

              He did. I`m sure one of the shows on Fox will pick up on it. He defeats his own argument. This is what the Bots think is Presidential? HILARIOUS.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Where the hell is Nurse Rachet when you need her!!??

                Oh, I forgot, she lost her job because of Obamadoesn’tcare.

                • Cindy

                  “Where the hell is Nurse Rachet when you need her!!??

                  She goes by the name “Dr. Ezekial Emanuel” now (she gave herself a pay raise and bumped herself up to doc)

  • joker

    I have to ask mouse are you really as dumb as you type or do you really drink as much kool aid as you can get your hands on?

    • HARP

      Poor Bots. They are like abused women who won`t admit that hubby is having an affair.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Mouse probably doesn’t know if it’s dumb or not.

  • candymarl

    One of the arguments has been that there is no bill. Rep Dingell insists that there is an amendment to the bill to address care for the disabled.

    So they are amending a bill that doesn’t exist. (Cue Twilight Zone music)

    • Katmoon

      Exactly Candy,
      There is no amendment, there are separate “subject” bills introduced as an afterthought.

      Original Bill

      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3200

      Subject related: But separate

      Subject Terms
      This bill is related to other bill and resolutions in these subject areas as identified by the Congressional Research Service:

      Disability and health-based discrimination

    • yazi

      i think the point is that there is no *SINGLE* bill, so it is hard to defend and/or critique because it’s not clear yet which of the options (or even something different) will come up for a full vote.

      • Peggy Sue

        Which makes these townhall meetings all the more important, yazi. Instead of nodding or falling asleep in the audience, citizens need to tell their representatives exactly how they feel, what they want and do not want in a massive rewriting of our health care system.

        And they are.

        Calling the electorate mobs, thugs and unAmerican or fueled by astro-turfed, manufactured anger is only increasing the mistrust, which after the stim bill and cap and trade wasn’t very high to begin with.

        The public isn’t even being given accurate unemployment numbers. We keep getting happy talk on the nonexistent recovery or listen to Geithner, Bernake and Frank double talk.

        The President is squandering whatever goodwill he had at the start by his refusal to be transparent. Mega-deal with the pharmaceuticals behind closed doors, for instance. Or changing the name to “health insurance reform,” as if it were all about the name. Or pointing to Medicare as the ideal solution when Medicare and Medicaid are on the financial ropes, in the red, on the verge of bankruptcy. And no explanation of how the hell we’ll pay for any of this without a decline in quality, particularly in the current economic downspin.

        People are angry for a reason. And they’re not children. They do not want nor need a bunch of paternalistic, condescending nonsense posing as information. The Dems are losing the message entirely. And if they don’t get it, the public will send them a resounding message in 2010.

        • yazi

          i’m all for that. a certain segment of protesters was avowedly determined to shut down the town hall meetings. they were not there to discuss the possibilities. i object to that.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Oh, you mean the paid obamabots, don’t you? You miscreants are AOK with bullying and intimidation from the south-side toughs but can’t handle it when real tax-paying Americans reveal the truth about what they want–and it isn’t any unicorn-infested utopian nightmare you fools want. Bag up your drivel and shove off.

            • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

              I love how you guys always talk about Obama supporters being “paid.” I don’t know anyone who was paid to support Obama or to post comments or any of your other ridiculous theories. Most of us in fact pay money to Obama! I donated much money to his campaign last year and I’m currently donating money to health care reform / Organizing for America.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Like you and the rest of the Keystoneobamabots during the caucuses?

            Oh, that was OK because you and they are entitled.

            Your comments should be incinerated as toxic waste (rubbish, garbage, putrescence, trash). How does that work for you, ozombie?

      • Katmoon

        HR 3200 is a single bill the attached afterthoughts, and add on’s are gifts to lobbyists, mostly. If the bill isn’t ready then perhaps there should have not been such a great effort to rush it through before recess, yes? The public gets to know defined to the letter what their representatives are passing; if that isn’t possible it needs to go into file 13, and they should start over. What exactly is the rush, we have gone how long without this? Would it not be better to get it right then turn it into another divisive method that ultimately only helps big business and politicians. Isn’t this bill suppose to help the people. then I say Washington, take the time, do it right and stop throwing crap all over your voters. Buck up, quite whining, and do your damned jobs. Write concise law that will not be questioned in courts, that is geared to serve all the people and not only special interest groups,, and stop the damned preemptive campaigning for future elections. This isn’t about you damned politicians, it is suppose to be for the American people.

        • Katmoon

          “quit” even…

  • eleana

    Obama Care for Seniors…SHOVEL READY

    • Peggy Sue

      Now that is bitterly clever, eleana! A t-shirt slogan in the making.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      that,s it in a nutshell.

    • jwrjr

      It will greatly increase employment … for gravediggers.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      Actually that would be right wing care. Remember it was the right wingers (making all the same baseless claims they are making today) that were against Medicare in the 1960s. If it wasn’t for Medicare many seniors would have no health care coverage at all.

  • Confused American

    Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt).

    Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple -just first, last and email).

    If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.

    If its good enough for us, it should be good enough for them.

    http://fleming.house.gov/

    Scroll down on the website till you see: Express Your Opinion

    • meileen

      This guy has the right idea.

      If the Obama admin and Dem members of congress had offered to take their coverage, and over the next few years, expand it to add the rest of the nation to it, slowly ramping up with more doctors, etc., I believe most people would get behind that. But, since even our reps won’t forego their coverage for this new bag of tricks, why in the world should we?

      • Chris

        Everyone of them that I have seen, when asked if they would take the same hcc as they are pushing on us, does this one thing:

        Changes the subject.

        Not one said they’d be willing to take it. They talk around it and over it but never answer directly. That says it all to me. I say no too for myself and family just like they do.

        • TeakWoodKite

          Amazing isn’t it Chis?

      • Animal Control

        Not fair being logical!

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      How idiotic is that? This plan forces nothing on anyone. This isn’t a single payer system! (I think it should be, but it’s not.) It’s an “OPTION” for Christ’s sake. So the people in congress should have the option like the rest of the American people? Of course they should! For Christ’s sake. This is just so dumb it hurts. And you guys are falling for it. *SIGH* *SIGH* *SIGH* !!!!

  • tzada

    One more member of the Astroturfing mob heard from!

    Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare
    Chuck Norris

    Health care reforms are turning into health care revolts. Americans are turning up the heat on congressmen in town hall meetings across the U.S.
    While watching these political hot August nights, I decided to research the reasons so many are opposed to Obamacare to separate the facts from the fantasy. What I discovered is that there are indeed dirty little secrets buried deep within the 1,000-plus page health care bill.
    Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government’s coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.
    It’s outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading “home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.” The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.
    on Page 840: The state “shall identify and prioritize serving communities that are in high need of such services, especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families.”
    Are we further to conclude by those words that low-income families know less about parenting? Are middle- and upper-class parents really better parents? Less neglectful of their children? Less needful of parental help and training? Is this “prioritized” training not a biased, discriminatory and even prejudicial stereotype and generalization that has no place in federal government, law or practice?

    http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2009/08/11/dirty_secret_no_1_in_obamacare

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      Chuck Norris? Seriously?

      As far as that last bit about low income parents. Yes low income parents are usually inferior to high income parents (on average) that has been shown time and time again. Instead of trying to twist everything around into something to get angry about, it’d be nice to have a real rational debate. Why aren’t those on the right able to have that debate?

      • Katmoon

        You are an inflammatory baiter. In the past 5 minutes in your 7 posts you have called one here a racist and are now being a classist.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          I grew up with low income parents who happened to be very good parents. But I also know the statistics (I recommend reading Malcolm Gladwell’s books btw… very informative on this subject and on others) So I am definitely not saying that low income = bad parents. But the truth is that on average most low income parents do not encourage their children educationally the way higher income parents do. This is a vicious cycle. I personally believe that the children of lower income parents deserve more opportunity to succeed and that’s what this is talking about.

          Of course the right wingers believe that only those who are born in to rich families deserve anything… So they try to twist this around to make those who are actually benefiting from the concept angry about it. This is a classic right wing tactic. It’s exactly what they are doing with health care reform.

          It’s amazing how many people with Medicare are fighting against “government run health care” and those with no health care coverage at all are fighting against universal health care. This is what the right wing propaganda machine is good at. Getting people to fight against their own self interest to instead fight for the profits of billionaires. It’s disgusting.

          • Katmoon

            Some of us also grew up from low income homes, and yes you are making generalizations. There are many people who went without, and the question was one of what is the “without”. Some of us were never poor in our own eyes only others. And finally some of us have enough sense to know our own care, and well being begins with us, it is not up to the government to babysit our opportunities.

            It’s amazing how many people with Medicare are fighting against “government run health care” and those with no health care coverage at all are fighting against universal health care. This is what the right wing propaganda machine is good at.

            Naw, it is what forcing a plan looks like, from the government as a whole. That is my understanding, based on grandparents raised on a reservation. You see, we finally stopped being “low income”, when we stopped allowing others to define what is of value to us.

  • Doc99

    Mr. President, exactly who is Un-American?

  • Arabella Trefoil

    The more Obama and the obots try to bully American citizens, the more support he loses.

    I predict his approval rating will be 40% by the end of the year.

    • WhatNow

      By the end of September!!!!!!!!! When the Democrats shove the health insurance bill down Americans throat

      • Arabella Trefoil

        They won’t be able to do it.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        Shove it down our throats? Don’t you mean give us what we voted for? One of the main reasons me and everyone I know voted for Barack Obama and the Democrats in the House & Senate is to give us real substantial health care reform. This is what we voted for. YES, this is the change we want. We want a real public option for health care (as a compromise… really we want Single-Payer… but I’ll certainly take a “Public Option” over the status quo which is totally unacceptable.)

    • Docelder

      It will wind up lower than Bush, because people had higher expectations of him to begin with. But that is all because he oversells himself every time he gives a speech. But that is probably because the speeches are crafted to give the crowd what they want to hear. He has a 4-8 year shelf life and then we will probably have Romney sold to us as the next golden child. But really Bush=Obama=Romney anyway. Whoever the media falls in love with, that is the first clue that they are the shill candidate. We haven’t had a real President since Gerald Ford. That is only because he was never (s)elected.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        Gerald Ford??!?!

        Lower than Bush? Yeah because trying to pass the health care reform that America badly needs is just as bad as starting an unjust war and pissing all over the constitution?

        • Docelder

          We need health care reform yes. But, the media would never sell Gerald Ford to us. But, he was an adequate President nonetheless. But he was never “sold”. Thus, he is the last true President we have had… and that was a fluke. The media did however go on to sell us Jimmy Carter… et.al.

  • cathnealon

    Axelrod and Emanuel better start dispersing their thugs with nightsticks like the ones at the voting precinct because that’s the only way this healthcare crap is going through.

  • tzada

    Look who has joined dearest leader in his righteous fight agains the mob.

    CPUSA: Take To The Streets For Obama!

    That would be the Communist Party USA. Did we have any doubts? Will the Muslim Brotherhood be next?

    http://sweetness-light.com/

    • Docelder

      Yep, but this is only because the communists think that he is also a communist. But, the socialists likewise think he is also a socialist. The Muslims probably think he is Muslim. None of this is the truth unfortunately.

      • tzada

        Indeed I do think he is a user. Why the common admiration and attraction between radicals and Barack? This article I found today goes along with my first thoughts on him March 2008.

        Is Obama a Closet Conehead?
        Morgan:

        President Obama has never mentioned black liberation theologian James Cone, despite his longtime pastor Jeremiah Wright’s devotion to his work. While on Fox News Channel’s Hannity and Colmes, Rev. Jeremiah Wright was asked about his church’s mission statement. He implied that he could not have an intelligent conversation with Hannity about Black Liberation Theology.

        snip

        Cone: “The Constitution is white, the Emancipation Proclamation is white, the government is white, business is white, the unions are white. What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.” (107)

        snip
        Morgan:

        Obama’s presidential actions are strikingly consistent with someone who covertly holds to Cone’s Black Liberation Theology. With the aid of the Democrats ruling Congress, the president is growing the federal government at a monstrous rate, taking over banks, insurance companies, auto companies and, if he gets his way, eventually the entire health care system, thereby trampling on the Constitution’s limitation of executive branch powers. That Obama is simultaneously burying this country in a tsunami of debt, while threatening to drown its citizens with new taxes and capsize the small businesses that would employ them demonstrates his contempt for capitalism.

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/is_obama_a_closet_conehead.html

  • http://shhhithitsthefan.wordpress.com/ It hits the fan

    I haven’t seen this posted in the comments so here is a youtube of a Sean Hannity interview with a photographer that had his camera knocked out of his hands at the infamous Kathy Castor event in Tampa. The photographer claims that union and ACORN folks were let in early through a side door and ever so fairly given all the best seats with time to place their signs for maximum effect while dissenters were being told they had reached maximum capacity.

    Cameraman Attacked at Tampa Town Hall

    You also might want to check out this site. They have a video from a hidden camera in the event.
    Florida Security Council

  • Smith

    Funny, I get e-mail from both DEms and Repubs. The last e-mail from a Rep was Cindy McCain asking me to sign an e-birthday card for John. I got several emails from some guy named “mitch” asking me to go protest in favor of healthcare. Mitch’s e-mails come from Obama’s server – a .gov site!!!!

    Call us what you will. These DEms can stay in denial all they want and play these games and they will pay the price in 2012.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Mitch’s e-mails come from Obama’s server – a .gov site!!!!

      Does this not violate a law or two?

  • Smith

    Here we go – who is fooling who???

    Visit Sen. Nelson’s office in Miami Inbox X

    Reply

    Mitch Stewart, BarackObama.com to me
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    Kat –

    All throughout August, our members of Congress are back in town. Insurance companies and partisan attack groups are stirring up fear with false rumors about the President’s plan, and it’s extremely important that folks like you speak up now.

    So we’ve cooked up an easy, powerful way for you to make a big impression: Office Visits for Health Reform.

    All this week, OFA members like you will be stopping by local congressional offices to show our support for insurance reform. You can have a quick conversation with the local staff, tell your personal story, or even just drop off a customized flyer and say that reform matters to you.

    We’ll provide everything you need: the address, phone number, and open hours for the office, information about how the health care crisis affects your state for you to drop off (with the option of adding your personal story), and a step-by-step guide for your visit.

    According to our records, you live near Sen. Bill Nelson’s office in Miami, FL.

    Sign up now to visit Sen. Bill Nelson’s office in Miami this week.

    (Not your representative, or think there might be another office that’s easier for you to get to? Click here to find a different office.)

    As you’ve probably seen in the news, special interest attack groups are stirring up partisan mobs with lies about health reform, and it’s getting ugly. Across the country, members of Congress who support reform are being shouted down, physically assaulted, hung in effigy, and receiving death threats. We can’t let extremists hijack this debate, or confuse Congress about where the people stand.

    Office Visits for Health Reform are our chance to show that the vast majority of American voters know that the cost of inaction is too high to bear, and strongly support passing health reform in 2009.

    Don’t worry if you’ve never done anything like this before. The congressional staff is there to listen, and your opinion as a constituent matters a lot. And if you bring a friend, you’ll have more fun and make an even greater impact.

    Click below to sign up for an Office Visit for Health Reform:

    http://my.barackobama.com/OfficeVisit

    Wherever you live, these visits matter: Many representatives are pushing hard toward reform, and they are taking a lot of heat from special interests. They deserve our thanks and need our support to continue the fight. But those who are still putting insurance companies and partisan point-scoring ahead of their constituents must know that voters are watching — and that we expect better.

    Earlier this week, the President wrote that “this is the moment our movement was built for” and asked us all to commit to join at least one event this month. This is the way to answer that call, and rise to the challenge of this moment together.

    Thank you for going the extra mile when it matters the most,

    Mitch

    Mitch Stewart
    Director
    Organizing for America

    Paid for by Organizing for America, a project of the Democratic National Committee — 430 South Capitol Street SE, Washington, D.C. 20003. This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee.

  • helenk

    http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/83293/

    Arlen Spector’s town hall meeting video

    And now choruses of ” The Rubber Band Man”

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

      I used to have that 45!

      Rubber man, rubber band man, get down! haha

      • helenk

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7KHSzf10T4&feature=related

        Sara
        this is for you. enjoy

        WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

        PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

          THANK YOU! I LOVED IT!!

  • Patience

    It costs people NOTHING to tell pollsters they favor healthcare reform. In fact, I’ll wager that up until now, some of those polled were reluctant to say otherwise. But now that there are actual proposals, many are standing at the fence and realizing the grass isn’t greener on the other side.

    Higher taxes will surely be levied to pay for a huge extension of government healthcare, and some will still be able to afford supplemental coverage that allows an acceptable standard of care. But many won’t and they know that the quality of care they’re accustomed to will diminish.

    Why shouldn’t Americans be outraged that the current proposals extend healthcare to illegals? How many illegals will be “incentivized” to come here to receive free healthcare? Why shouldn’t the elderly be alarmed that doctors will be PAID to offer “end-of-life” counseling? Why shouldn’t seniors, especially vigorous ones, worry about ageism reducing their options? Why shouldn’t employers who self-insure worry about government audits of their businesses if they continue to do so? Why shouldn’t employees content with their employer-provided private healthcare worry that their benefits will be dropped and replaced by government healthcare? Etc., etc. And who knows what else is buried and/or obfuscated in the current proposals?

    The devil’s in the details was never a more appropriate adage than in this case.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      Not true. The public option has majority support among the people: http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/the-public-option-has-majority-american-support/1131/

      The media is portraying it otherwise because they are controlled by corporate interests (the health insurance industry.)

      The alternative is to continue with the status quo where 50 million people have no coverage, premiums are skyrocketing, the country will eventually go bankrupt, and there’s a 50% chance your health care coverage will be taken away from you when you need it most (50% of the time people get seriously sick/injured with a private insurance plan, the insurance company finds some way to cut their coverage – THINK ABOUT THAT. seriously. What we have now is what’s scary.)

  • http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

    Remember that Ted Kennedy endorsement spectacle? Ted said ‘Obama won’t demonize the other side’ — that’s why he picked O over Hillary. L! O! L!

    When Hillary beat down the VRWC, she attacked the leadership — she did not target conservative citizens. Obama’s team is viciously smearing American citizens: Republican voters = Republican Party = Nazis = The Enemy = unAmerican = Racist = The Other = Sub-Human.

    And this brazen race card stuff is also to demonize the protestors as sub-human. But who falls for it? I don’t see how this ‘UnAmerican’ smear strategy works for Democrats.

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    pro health care reform is grass roots. no one is organizing me and my friends – we all desperately believe in health care reform and know that America needs it.

    check this out: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/08/guess_that_settles_it.php/

    You may have heard about a moronic anti-health care reform article which tried to portray the UK system in a bad light by saying that if scientist Stephen Hawking was British he’d be dead because of the NHS… well of course he is British! *sigh* That about sums up the anti health care reform argument. Based on a lie.

    • HC123

      The word desperate certainly applies. To you. On many levels.

      Let me ask you, do you feel compelled to crash parties where nobody likes you and nobody listens to you? I am just wondering if your lunacy is limited to the protection the A-Nony-Mouse internet provides, or if it extends into your “real life”.

      You remind me of a neighbor I once had – a Jehovahs Witness. She was compelled to debate me pointlessly and eternally on religion. Her dialog was a fact free zone – appropriate for a religion, and also for a member of the cult of progressivism as I have learned.

      All that said I do see a new reality TV opportunity here, “Americas Most Grass Roots”. I think it could bump American Idol out of the #1 spot.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        I feel that health care reform is the most important issue facing America today, so yes I have an interest in spreading the TRUTH about how bad our current health care system is and about how logically flawed the arguments against the Public Option are.

        I don’t really see what’s so crazy about that? I think it’s actually most important to inform people of the truth where so many lies and misconceptions abound (like here) — I really feel that most Americans would definitely support the Public Option if they understood just how horrible and corrupt our current private health insurance industry system is and if they understood just how much better the health care systems of other countries are.

        If people knew there was a 50% chance of losing their health care coverage when they needed it most with their current private health care coverage do you really think they would want to stick with it? The sad thing is, people don’t know that! That’s why they are fighting to keep what they have.

        Many people say they like the insurance they have – but the thing is – people don’t really know what their insurance is *really* like until they need it. That’s why the real horror stories of our current system have to be made public in a big way.

        And let me repeat this for emphasis: If you have private health care insurance there’s a 50% chance that your health care coverage will be taken away from you if you get seriously injured or sick.

        If you have Medicare (on the other hand) there’s a 0% chance of that happening.

        Think about that.

        • Docelder

          This isn’t health care reform.. it is insurance reform. At the end of this, anybody who is not physically fit enough to pay their own way with taxes and contributions to this great society will be out of luck. The elderly, those with chronic debilitating disease, those born with defect are all going to lose in this. And at the end in this insurance reform… insurers will be making more than they do now.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            Only if there’s no public option included. In that case yes, this would be a huge win for the health insurance industry.

            That’s why they are fighting FOR health care reform (ie: the insurance mandate) but AGAINST the public option (ie: real competition.)

            • tzada

              Show proof that I am taking money from any Insurance Company. You keep sining that party line and it has gotten old. Prove it or shut up.

              Show me proof that anyone besides the current administration is taking money from the insurance industry. Proof exists that they have. Proof exists that they are using taxpayers money to push this.

              Are you sure you wish to continue in this vein?

          • Katmoon

            Doceleder, you are so right. There is a blindness in realizing how this will play out; my God I wish just once people would take a look at our reservations and see how a government ran health care plan has effected the native people of this country. It is the best argument against this plan, as it is a living example of what kind of failure is in our future if this plan goes through. They talk of passing this plan, when indeed the one already in place has been cut this year. Sweet Jesus, I’m seething.

        • HC123

          Well, now that you mention it, your desperate search for the TRUTH does have a whiff of the crazy. (desperate, TRUTH and crazy being your interesting word selection, not mine)

          Even if you think you are right, it is indeed crazy to come argue with us about it. We see through rhetoric and we will never agree with you and your content free pontifications.

          The noncrazy option for your forum hobby would be to preach to those that can be converted. That is if you are honestly trying to get your agenda passed.

          Unless you really are just a troll. If so, by all means, keep the posts coming until Larry IP bans you.

  • Katmoon

    Then Nony, I challenge you to go spend time on any of a number of the already government run health care communities in our country; do you know where they are? Let me help you:
    http://www.doi.gov/bia/index.html

    The United States has a unique legal and political relationship with Indian tribes and Alaska Native entities as provided by the Constitution of the United States, treaties, court decisions and Federal statutes. Within the government-to-government relationship, Indian Affairs provides services directly or through contracts, grants, or compacts to 562 Federally recognized tribes with a service population of about 1.9 million American Indian and Alaska Natives.

    Further Reading:http://www.seattlepi.com/local/403196_tribes12.html

    Treaty obligations and acts of Congress require the United States to provide health care for Native Americans, but experts say funding chronically falls short of medical inflation.

    In 2004, a Civil Rights Commission report found the government spent more on health care per capita for federal prisoners and Medicaid patients than for Native Americans.