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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sorry, KnowNothingMouse; you are attempting to exorcise the racism from your own psyche by projecting it onto others and then ritualistically demonizing them.  you are attempting to remove your own white guilt by placing on a scapegoat and then banishing the scapegoat.  it&#039;s a common practice throughout human history, and apparently there is a lot of racist white guilt among the Obots, because they&#039;ve been chewing on this bone for quite some time now.  i feel sorry for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sorry, KnowNothingMouse; you are attempting to exorcise the racism from your own psyche by projecting it onto others and then ritualistically demonizing them.  you are attempting to remove your own white guilt by placing on a scapegoat and then banishing the scapegoat.  it&#8217;s a common practice throughout human history, and apparently there is a lot of racist white guilt among the Obots, because they&#8217;ve been chewing on this bone for quite some time now.  i feel sorry for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242888</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;TeakWeak - This entire argument is a diversion from the real issues because this kind of “rationing” already takes place all the time with the current private health insurance system. To make it sound like it’s some “scary thing that happens with government health insurance” is incredibly disingenuous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, anonyrat, only if you either have no insurance or aren&#039;t independently wealthy. If you need healthcare insurance, anonyturd, get a god-damn job and stop wasting valuable time here at NQ. No one cares a whit what sort of crap rattles about that empty box you euphemistically call a skull. Oh, I forgot, no one will hire a person whose only experience is posting retread rubbish from the collective works of a conman turned president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>TeakWeak &#8211; This entire argument is a diversion from the real issues because this kind of “rationing” already takes place all the time with the current private health insurance system. To make it sound like it’s some “scary thing that happens with government health insurance” is incredibly disingenuous.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, anonyrat, only if you either have no insurance or aren&#8217;t independently wealthy. If you need healthcare insurance, anonyturd, get a god-damn job and stop wasting valuable time here at NQ. No one cares a whit what sort of crap rattles about that empty box you euphemistically call a skull. Oh, I forgot, no one will hire a person whose only experience is posting retread rubbish from the collective works of a conman turned president.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242884</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ are you a truly ignorant bot. There are many ways to repair this system but that fustercluck of a bill is not one of them. 

One thing that someone like you could do is get a job, twit. You hang around this website all day with nothing better to do than bore us with your empty platitudes, hollow rhetoric, and retread PowerPoint talking points. I&#039;m surprised you aren&#039;t dizzy with all that quasar-like spinning you&#039;re doing. If you blow chunks, kindly direct them at your boyfriend, Yazi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ are you a truly ignorant bot. There are many ways to repair this system but that fustercluck of a bill is not one of them. </p>
<p>One thing that someone like you could do is get a job, twit. You hang around this website all day with nothing better to do than bore us with your empty platitudes, hollow rhetoric, and retread PowerPoint talking points. I&#8217;m surprised you aren&#8217;t dizzy with all that quasar-like spinning you&#8217;re doing. If you blow chunks, kindly direct them at your boyfriend, Yazi.</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242761</link>
		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my assertion that he lacks empathy is gaining momentum. You have to have empathy to lead. He has none and therefore can&#039;t lead... he can only campaign and organize. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The president has a problem. For, despite a great election victory, Mr. Obama, it becomes ever clearer, knows little about Americans&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my assertion that he lacks empathy is gaining momentum. You have to have empathy to lead. He has none and therefore can&#8217;t lead&#8230; he can only campaign and organize. </p>
<blockquote><p>The president has a problem. For, despite a great election victory, Mr. Obama, it becomes ever clearer, knows little about Americans</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242755</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is TeakWoodKite to you Mouse. 

Are you Daffy? Yes rationing takes place. When the my Government decides it is OK to KILL an innocent civilian, disregarding THEIR WILL TO LIVE, you Bet it is a &quot;SCARY&quot; thing.

Come back when you can understand that NO government should be allowed to deny care that is between a doctor and the patient. BO flat out said the women should DIE. WHY? Because she is too OLD.

 if you can&#039;t understand that is immoral and repugnant then the &quot;step in the right direction&quot; you want will be your death at the hands of a government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is TeakWoodKite to you Mouse. </p>
<p>Are you Daffy? Yes rationing takes place. When the my Government decides it is OK to KILL an innocent civilian, disregarding THEIR WILL TO LIVE, you Bet it is a &#8220;SCARY&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>Come back when you can understand that NO government should be allowed to deny care that is between a doctor and the patient. BO flat out said the women should DIE. WHY? Because she is too OLD.</p>
<p> if you can&#8217;t understand that is immoral and repugnant then the &#8220;step in the right direction&#8221; you want will be your death at the hands of a government.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzisbackLatte</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242749</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzisbackLatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but the problem is, Gladney isn&#039;t the one getting sued!  Gladney wasn&#039;t the one hauled off to jail for perpetrating physical assault!

So the joke is - the one supporting Obomination&#039;s health&quot;care&quot; bill is the one who ended up with the legal problems!

A few bumps and bruises are much preferable to arrest, record, and jail!  Not to mention legal fees and restitution! 

HAHAHAHA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but the problem is, Gladney isn&#8217;t the one getting sued!  Gladney wasn&#8217;t the one hauled off to jail for perpetrating physical assault!</p>
<p>So the joke is &#8211; the one supporting Obomination&#8217;s health&#8221;care&#8221; bill is the one who ended up with the legal problems!</p>
<p>A few bumps and bruises are much preferable to arrest, record, and jail!  Not to mention legal fees and restitution! </p>
<p>HAHAHAHA!</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242745</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and you trust your BO government?

THAT is laughable. If you have read the house bill, it not an OPTION, over the period of several years people who have ANY changes in their coverage offered such as prescriptions co pays etc, will be FORCED into the public option.

Mouse read much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and you trust your BO government?</p>
<p>THAT is laughable. If you have read the house bill, it not an OPTION, over the period of several years people who have ANY changes in their coverage offered such as prescriptions co pays etc, will be FORCED into the public option.</p>
<p>Mouse read much?</p>
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		<title>By: sarainitaly</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242732</link>
		<dc:creator>sarainitaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU! I LOVED IT!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU! I LOVED IT!!</p>
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		<title>By: Regina</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242727</link>
		<dc:creator>Regina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nony,
Ask Obama what he spoke about when he held a closed door meeting with 5 large insurance companies who by the way, along with wall street, donated large  amounts to his campaign.  We know what wall street got from the obama stimulus/tarp money. Remember the halliburtan/cheney closed door meeting?  Don&#039;t blame the insurance lobbyists.....look at the insurance company monopoly group and ask Obama what he offered them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nony,<br />
Ask Obama what he spoke about when he held a closed door meeting with 5 large insurance companies who by the way, along with wall street, donated large  amounts to his campaign.  We know what wall street got from the obama stimulus/tarp money. Remember the halliburtan/cheney closed door meeting?  Don&#8217;t blame the insurance lobbyists&#8230;..look at the insurance company monopoly group and ask Obama what he offered them.</p>
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		<title>By: HC123</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242707</link>
		<dc:creator>HC123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now that you mention it, your desperate search for the TRUTH does have a whiff of the crazy. (desperate, TRUTH and crazy being your interesting word selection, not mine)

Even if you think you are right, it is indeed crazy to come argue with us about it. We see through rhetoric and we will never agree with you and your content free pontifications.

The noncrazy option for your forum hobby would be to preach to those that can be converted. That is if you are honestly trying to get your agenda passed.

Unless you really are just a troll. If so, by all means, keep the posts coming until Larry IP bans you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now that you mention it, your desperate search for the TRUTH does have a whiff of the crazy. (desperate, TRUTH and crazy being your interesting word selection, not mine)</p>
<p>Even if you think you are right, it is indeed crazy to come argue with us about it. We see through rhetoric and we will never agree with you and your content free pontifications.</p>
<p>The noncrazy option for your forum hobby would be to preach to those that can be converted. That is if you are honestly trying to get your agenda passed.</p>
<p>Unless you really are just a troll. If so, by all means, keep the posts coming until Larry IP bans you.</p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242686</link>
		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show proof that I am taking money from any Insurance Company.  You keep sining that party line and it has gotten old. Prove it or shut up. 

Show me proof that anyone besides the current administration is taking money from the insurance industry.  Proof exists that they have.  Proof exists that they are using taxpayers money to push this. 

Are you sure you wish to continue in this vein?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show proof that I am taking money from any Insurance Company.  You keep sining that party line and it has gotten old. Prove it or shut up. </p>
<p>Show me proof that anyone besides the current administration is taking money from the insurance industry.  Proof exists that they have.  Proof exists that they are using taxpayers money to push this. </p>
<p>Are you sure you wish to continue in this vein?</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzisbackLatte</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/30142/who-are-the-astroturf-thugs-exactly/#comment-1242682</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzisbackLatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is the real change you and a bunch of other idiots decided was the hope for the future for the rest of us...huh, mouse???  


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/12/change_we_can_believe_in_97861.html


Next time use your brain instead of your emotions to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is the real change you and a bunch of other idiots decided was the hope for the future for the rest of us&#8230;huh, mouse???  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/12/change_we_can_believe_in_97861.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/12/change_we_can_believe_in_97861.html</a></p>
<p>Next time use your brain instead of your emotions to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doceleder, you are so right. There is a blindness in realizing how this will play out; my God I wish just once people would take a look at our reservations and see how a government ran health care plan has effected the native people of this country. It is the best argument against this plan, as it is a living example of what kind of failure is in our future if this plan goes through. They talk of passing this plan, when indeed the one already in place has been cut this year. Sweet Jesus, I&#039;m seething.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doceleder, you are so right. There is a blindness in realizing how this will play out; my God I wish just once people would take a look at our reservations and see how a government ran health care plan has effected the native people of this country. It is the best argument against this plan, as it is a living example of what kind of failure is in our future if this plan goes through. They talk of passing this plan, when indeed the one already in place has been cut this year. Sweet Jesus, I&#8217;m seething.</p>
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		<title>By: A-Nony-Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-Nony-Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see single payer as well. But I think saying that just because we can&#039;t get what we really need (the political forces against single payer are just too strong to overcome in one bound) doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t do anything to move in the right direction. I think a strong public option could definitely move us in that direction. 

I know that I would definitely choose the public option over the private health insurance companies because I don&#039;t trust those companies, I know the truth of what they are up to and how often they take away coverage from those who need it most.

I&#039;m sure many people would be switching to the public option once they realized how much better it was... And then eventually with time - perhaps that system could be expanded to become a real &quot;single payer&quot; system. 

I think we have to accept the political realities here. Yes a single payer system would be the best case scenario, but considering the huge push back at even giving people the OPTION to choose a government plan, imagine the push back at saying we should have a real national health care system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see single payer as well. But I think saying that just because we can&#8217;t get what we really need (the political forces against single payer are just too strong to overcome in one bound) doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t do anything to move in the right direction. I think a strong public option could definitely move us in that direction. </p>
<p>I know that I would definitely choose the public option over the private health insurance companies because I don&#8217;t trust those companies, I know the truth of what they are up to and how often they take away coverage from those who need it most.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure many people would be switching to the public option once they realized how much better it was&#8230; And then eventually with time &#8211; perhaps that system could be expanded to become a real &#8220;single payer&#8221; system. </p>
<p>I think we have to accept the political realities here. Yes a single payer system would be the best case scenario, but considering the huge push back at even giving people the OPTION to choose a government plan, imagine the push back at saying we should have a real national health care system?</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need health care reform yes. But, the media would never sell Gerald Ford to us. But, he was an adequate President nonetheless. But he was never &quot;sold&quot;. Thus, he is the last true President we have had... and that was a fluke. The media did however go on to sell us Jimmy Carter... et.al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need health care reform yes. But, the media would never sell Gerald Ford to us. But, he was an adequate President nonetheless. But he was never &#8220;sold&#8221;. Thus, he is the last true President we have had&#8230; and that was a fluke. The media did however go on to sell us Jimmy Carter&#8230; et.al.</p>
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