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What Does an Authentic Hawaiian Birth Certificate Look Like?

By Larry Johnson on June 12, 2008 at 10:19 PM in Current Affairs

Another claim about Obama circulating on the internet concerns whether or not he is actually eligible to run for the Presidency. Once again the Obama campaign has bungled a matter that should be fairly easy to resolve by ponying up a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. Here is what first appeared at Daily Kos and is now on the Obama fear the smear site.

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This is not a “Birth Certificate.” The title alone is troublesome. I am looking at the Birth Certificates for my wife and me. We were born in Missouri. The documents state, “Certificate of Live Birth.” I check my son’s, who was born in the District of Columbia. It also states, “Certificate of Live Birth.”

Barack’s campaign is offering up a “CERTIFICATION.” That’s different. A normal Certificate also includes:

1. No attending physician signature or license number
2. No address for the attending physician or hospital
3. No parent signature
4. No parent DOB or age of parent or parent place of birth.
5. Father’s race would not be “African”, that is country of origin. Race would be black or Negro (1960′s)
6. Was this a single birth or multiple birth.
7. No Registrars name or signature.

Can anyone out there in blog land come up with a copy of what a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate circa 1960-62 would look like?

So what is Barack hiding? Can we get a straight, clear answer?

  • Jody

    This is it.

    Definitive proof that you’ve flipped your nut.

    • campingoutindenver

      If your parents didn’t go back and burn your BC after they realized you were hopeless, then go back and review yours. All of the info aforementioned is always on a state BC.

      • bert

        Don’t you need your actual birth certificate to get a U.S. Passport?

        • Dawn

          no you just need a certification which is what that is and is why it has so little info

          • salliort

            My certification of birth from California was a postcard prior to 1970.

            Now it is similar to the one shown for Obama.

            Certifications and birth certificates are two separate forms.

            • Jennifer

              I was born in California in 1960 and by no means is my birth certificate a post card. In fact my original birth certificate is basically a black back ground with white font.

            • steve

              The term Birth Certificate and Certificate Of Live Birth are the same thing. The order of the words Birth and Certificate are switched around. Are you sincerely suggesting that the meaning of the terms are different based on which word comes first? Do you honestly believe that? Where do you draw the line when it comes to thinking for yourself? Are the terms Driver’s License and Motor Vehicle Operator’s Permit the same thing? if you say no, then you are out in left field.

              • Mindy

                You can’t register your kid for school with a certificate of live birth. The registar’s office will only accept an actual birth certificate, so will the passport office and the Department of Transportation. They are, in fact, two different forms.
                You cannot get a social security number with a certificate of live birth.

                • Marina

                  Ok, so are you saying that because he only has a certification of live birth, he can’t get a Social Security number or a passport? Because clearly he has both.

                  The State of Hawaii only allows you to request a certification of live birth. Why this is, is unclear. But I challenge you to find anyone in Hawaii who can produce a long form birth certificate. It’s strange, but true.

                • Jason

                  So you expect us to believe governments create useless documents for fun? They go to the trouble signing and sealing a completely worthless document??

                  No, the COLB is basically a certified copy. It’s legal according to Hawaii Law
                  Statue 338.13, any certified copies of the original document can serve the same purpose as the original document.
                  “(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

                • Tbj

                  That simply is not true. My son’s bitrh certificate says certificate of live birth. I registered him school 6yrs ago. I also have a passport for him. Did not have any problems. Some people just don’t want this to be true. Is the sky really blue?

                  • http://www.rantnation.com John

                    Certificate does not equal certification…

                • Harry

                  uh… yes. you can get SSI certs with a certificate of live bith. I’ve done it. Twice. I have also registered a child into public school with a certificate of live birth. And to make things even more interesting, I registered my youngest into a parochial school with a baptismal cert (from the same church, of course).

                • Paddy

                  Funny.

                  Both of my kids have “Certificates of Live Birth” and we had no trouble whatsoever getting them registered in school.

                  My son enlisted in the Army with a Certificate of Live Birth.

                  So did I. And a Certificate of Live Birth did not keep me from serving for 23 years, nor did it keep me from getting a Top Secret Clearance.

                  If you look at the Department of State’s website, you’ll find that the oft-cited “proof” that a Certificate of Live Birth is not acceptable doesn’t actually say that. What it says is that SOME short forms and abstracts MAY not be acceptable.

                  If it has a raised or colored seal, it is legitimate.

                  Incidentally, the “Certificate of Live Birth” is a standardized form created by the Federal Government’s US Census Bureau. In about ’45 or ’46, the US Public Health Service took over proponency for the forms. The States report to the PHS a form known as the US Standard Certificate of Live Birth. Not a Birth Certificate. A Certificate of Live Birth.

                  The “souvenir” birth certificates most parents bring home from the hospital are legally of little or no value.

                  • Animal Control

                    So!

                • Nancy K

                  I was born in Calif on 1946 and I have have a Certificate of Live Birth and it was accepted for my passport. Also my 2 daughters were born in Ca and both have Certificate of Live Birth and were registered in school and were given a passport using this.

                • Robert

                  I was born in Florida in 1957 on a Navy Base. I only have a Certificate of Live Birth, went to school and have a passport. Get the facts right before you state an opinion as fact.

              • NVAgBoi

                No, i think in this case he would be in ‘right field’….far right.

              • jloh

                No, they are NOT the same. A birth certificate contains much more data than a COLB. Wise up.

                • Tbj

                  Ok,lets clear this up. If Barack is not a legal citizen. Then call INS and have him picked up and sent back to where is was born. This is all so stupid. Where is the FBI, CIA when you need them. Are they all in on the conspiracy. You better believe if He was not born in this country and was not eligibe to be president he would not be president. THis Birh Certificate issue has never come up in the history of this country and no other office offical has ever had to prove this. Of all the 44 presidents and the only one that happens to be the the only Black American that an issue like this has reared it’s ugly racists head. It reminds me of when free slaves had to show papers to prove that they were free. If you’re racists just own up to. I can respect that. But these lame Brain excuses are getting tiresome. Just except your president for the 4 or 8yrs (you don’t have to like him)and I assure you, you will get another chance.

                  • tzada

                    We were subjected to this same racist baiting in the so called election. Frankly I don’t give a damn.

                    As far as 0 getting back in office. ACORN will be around, maybe with a new name but around. About Ohio he said he had control of the electronic voting machines. Someone already tried to introduce a bill to remove term limits for the presidency. So yes, your hero my zero will be around. It is the Chicago Way after all.

                    Will he have his Zalya moment? Is this why he calls what happened in Honduras a coup? It was not.

                    The United Nations on Thursday begins a debate over a new U.N. military doctrine called the “Responsibility to Protect,” which would authorize the world organization to be used as cover to intervene in the sovereign affairs of a nation state, supposedly to protect the people of a country

                    against their own government. The first target could be anti-communist Honduras.

                    See he already has slipped in the polls and with some blacks. Notice he is bringing in the Latino’s? They are going to be his next favorites. Watch and see. You are naive if you don’t think he will use you up and spit you out.

                  • Vicki

                    Excuse me, Tbj, but McCain had to provide proof of his citizenship because he was born in Panama. He is a white guy. So this has nothing to do with race. It has to do with upholding the Constutuion and if the Obama team is keeping all of Obama’s records secret from the American people, something is fishy. What about his African grandmother so proud because a boy from Kenya made President? She said it on tv on the day he won.

                    • Paddy

                      Just coincidentally, McCain was not born a US Citizen.

                      Interesting historical footnote.

                      By some esoteric oversight in the law, the Panama Canal Zone was not included in the law that made children of Service Members serving abroad US Citizens by birth.

                      That oversight was not corrected until 2 years after McCain’s birth.

                      Be careful where you point your uneducated shotgun.

                  • JB

                    HERBERT HOOVER, BARRY GOLDWATER, AND JOHN MCCAIN WENT UNDER THIS KIND OF QUESTIONING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE US CONGRESS TOOK UP MCCAIN’S ELIGABILITY THIS SAME ELECTION. NOT FOR OBAMA , THOUGH.

                    HOW COME NO ONE HAS STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID MY GRANDPA OR UNCLE OR PARENT DELIVERED THE CHOSEN ONE? HOW COME NO ONE SAIS “I WAS THERE?” EXCEPT FOR HIS GRANDMOTHER, WHO CLAIMS HE WAS BORN IN KENYA, (LISTEN TO THE AUDIO OF HER ALL OVER THE INTERNET)NO ONE WAS AT THIS GUYS BIRTH.

              • ilan

                LOL, hehe,, yes i’m out on the left field,
                a Motor Vehicle Operator’s Permit is a permit you get before you obtain your driver’s license and i never hear anyone use that term for a driver’s licens, LOL, go get a passport, and see if the lady asks you to go get your Motor Vehicle Operator’s Permit LOL,, what a goof ball

              • Mike

                Steve!

                You are SO WRONG. You are not reading CAREFULLY! Like everyone that is ignorant on this issue, you assume they are the same!

                FACT.

                A REAL birth certifcate or certificate of live birth are the same. A certification of live birth is NOT.

                A REAL birth certificate has the hospital name, the attending physician’s personal signature, and other critical information in plain view!

                A certification of live birth is totally different! It is merely an opinion, right or wrong that “somebody” has seen either a. the ORIGINGAL, full length certificate, or b. that somebody has seen the same document they are holding up again.

                The problem is that Hawaiian law actually allows a FOREIGN BORN citizen to receive a “certification of live birth” regardless of wether or not this person was actually born in Hawaii! So clearly, Obama was born in Kenya, as his grandmother has said under oath, and then transported to Hawaii, to get US citizenship, a “certification of live birth, and so his parents could make the announcement in the paper. At this point, Obama was transported to Indonesia to begin the muslim school his father requested.

                It makes so much sense, that people are ignoring the facts!

                So Steve, these two documents ARE totally and completely different! Read more carefully please!

              • Kristin

                How it’s worded is not the issue; it’s who is issuing the certificate. The record of birth from the hospital is just a souvenir and has no legal value. It even says that it is not a legal document. The real birth certificate is issued by the department of health of your state. I just don’t believe someone who says they obtained a legal passport using the hospital record.

              • thegoldwell

                I notice that you did NOT use the word CERTIFICATION. Is it too hard for you to understand that the words CERTIFICATE and CERTIFICATION mean two different things in Hawaii? A Certificate of Live Birth was issued in Hawaii to people who were born in a HOSPITAL there…. a CERTIFICATION of LIVE BIRTH was issued to people who were NOT born in a Hospital in Hawaii. Checkmate!

              • Peter V

                i am adopted and in order to get a passport i needed a certificate of live birth, all i needed were my adopted parents with their IDs and now i have a “certificate of live birth”, the ironic part is that on it, it list my adopted parents as my birth parents (not factual), therefore showing that they are not the same thing.

          • judy

            Hi friends. Just reading about the birth certificate. It may be some kind of registration. You may get a registration also with a birth cert. It does seem an official document either has a seal OR raised seal that is directly the paper raised itself. I have many birth cert. for my family. They are usually certified from the dept. of health or registrar. This paper seems like a registration. A registration CANNOT be used for ID. I know because my son has one. It says it right on the one he has.All the birth cert. I have are more or less the same .This does not look like any I have. Most cert. ask the country of origin. There are quite a few boxes to fill out. The Doctor always signs that it is true and he witnesses the birth. Years ago a cert. could be issued a week later. Because children were born at home. Since he was born in ’61 I believe that is not a very old one. I know a copy can not be used at all for anything important where you have to prove such as social security. It is possible that a midwife signs too.

            • ben franklin

              Not true, if that doc is genuine with a raised or multi-colored seal of issuing state, county or city, file date within a year of birth, place of birth (meaning “state” in the U.S., and child’s name, then it is proof of U.S. citizenship; provided the child’s parents are heads of foreign state, diplomats, or invading hostile army.

              Anyway, I doubt it highly, but, say Barack Obama WAS born in Kenya… IRRELEVANT, according to wikipedia, Barack Obama Sr never divorced his previous Kenyan wife, so Barack Obama was born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother and a child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year. There are no retention requirements for said child. Case closed. I, however, doubt that there would be any Obama passport records to be snooped into, if a genuine certified Hawaiian birth certificate hadn’t been submitted to Passport Services. The State Dept is sort of picky about things like that.

              • elise

                Ben, John McCain has had to answer these questions to the court. Twice, and both his parents are Americans.

              • Cele

                One more addition to your statement, the law further states the mother must have spent 5 years past the 14th year of age in the USA to have this priveledge of having a child that can be a US citizen yet born on foreign soil. I read that Obama’s mother was 18 years old when she had him. If true she was unmarried and in an inner racial relationship of a black foreigner, our culture of the day would have been damning towards her. Hawaii may have been more acceptable but her motives would have been clear, have a legitmate child at the least and in Hawaii who would question whether the father was still married in Kenya or not? She could not have credibility in Kenya, perhaps even facing death by religious law.

                In Kenya they see him as a native son, children sing him songs, they chant his name in unison and are proud that one of their own is so powerful in the USA. His first cousin is a Marxist who studied in East Germany on scholarship and then went to jail for a coup on the government in 1982 for 8 years.

                In 2006 Obama took a US tax dollar trip to Kenya and spent 6 days with his cousin running for president. There is much on this trip to know. You Tube has videos as well. Kenya wrote a complaint letter about his “lectures” about their government. It was pointed out that in criticizing their government and promoting the re-election of his cousin as well as donating $1 million dollars to the campaign that Obama had violated the Logan Act.

                Obama violated the Logan Act on his summer trip to Iraq when he asked the Iraqi officials to delay troop withdrawal until after the elction. One month ago the Iraqi government made this known and filed a strong concern and asked for understanding and clarification as to why Obama asked such a thing? They also confirmed that this matter was the reason for Obama and Petrais having argument on that trip. Where is the senate to investigate this? Where is the media to make this known to the American people? Finally The Washington Times writes the story Oct. 12th on his Marxist cousin and today the Obama supporters are complaining that Obama is called a Marxist but no headline story on it at all. His travel there violated his granted visa acording to Kenya officials expecting a senatorial visit.

                His cut backs on spending as a first priority is to cut foreign spending outside the USA because we can no longer afford to help others. This was reported today. I want to know his economic plan to cut what aid to what countries and what new money will flow to Africa and Indonesia? Obama has completely followed a playbook for many years. The real issue is who wrote it? and for what purpose? Who is Obama? Messiah or Anti-christ? Ask Glenn Beck.

                • sally logue

                  Who cares what his policies are. Who wants someone in the whitehouse that either is so stupid that he doesn’t know the people he associates with or knows and lies about it…just like he is lying about his birth certificate.

                  • Lyn

                    We sure don’t want a republican in the white house after they ran our country into the ground! How stupid would that be! And by the way, McCain is so stupid he can’t even use a computer!

                    • Jennifer

                      If you are talking about the current state of our economy then you might want to realize that there are both Democrats and Republicans in Congress.

                      I suppose you think that the rest of the world’s economic turmoil is also the republican’s fault?

                    • Idiocracy08

                      That’s an assholish thing to say bot.

                      McCain is a good man. He can use a freaking computer. Look into it…he was tortured and it hurts him to move his arms to use the keyboard and mouse.

                      I’m not republican, but you need to realize your hero was in the senate doing NOTHING to help us.

                    • Jenna

                      BTW Sally Logue, McCain can’t use a computer because he can’t lift his arms to do so for any length of time due to his injuries in the Viet Nam war.

                      But now let me ask you—-since when do we have 57 states in the USA??? Not only did Obama say it once—but TWICE!!!

                      And WHY DOESN’T Obama produce his true birth certificate? What has been produced is not a true birth cert. Just check with some Hawaiians as to what their birth certs. look like. And no where in the U.S., for any birth certs., is information omitted such a what is omitted on the supposed Obama birth cert. Signatue from the attending Dr. (midwife etc) is a must, as is parent’s signature, date of birth etc. And as far as his father’s race goes, back in the early 60′s, the race would have definitely been “Negro”. Please do a little searching—you most certainly will find all of this to be true. My concern is this, that Barrack has not come to the forefront with an official birth certificate to quiet this all down—-put the people at rest. Now think, why wouldn’t someome come forward…..

                      I truly am worried about the next four years.

                    • louisa

                      Lyn — John McCain cannot use a computer, due to injuries he’d sustained from a plane crash, and subsequent years of torture he’d endured as a POW, in Viet Nam.
                      When broken bones aren’t set promptly and properly, they tend to mend themselves, but usually in an irregular manner.
                      It’s quite understandable how disabilities so often go unappreciated by most people…unless/until they have to endure their own, or that of a loved one.
                      I know this, because I used to be blind.

                    • helmut7

                      Actually mccain was using computers when OHB still had wet ears. You could not fly a war jet without using computers.

                    • Paulash

                      You couldn’t crash them, either.

                    • ME

                      Any plane can crash computer operated or humanly operated. There is always a possibility of a crash of a plane.

                    • mitchola

                      he was shot down big difference

                • tzada

                  Good post. Only one question. I thought his mom was 17?

                  What I found strange that she was in Mercer Island when he was 3 weeks old. How did she get the money to travel and why did she not know how to diaper him? Did she deliver in a home for mothers?

                  Most of all if there is no secret why be secretive? Who or what are his handlers?
                  How many years has this been unfolding?

                  • Jim Trebowski

                    well, obviously there is some sort of sinister conspiracy theory to plant Muslim Terrorists into the White House, and it all began back in 1961.

              • http://theamericanrepublic.org Lee D

                I am a technologist who has been in the business for 34 years. This is a relatively recently created document. The typeface did not exist on the old hammer and platen type of printer chains in the 1950s and 1960s. Of that, I am sure.

                Obama must resolve this prior to the election. This is clearly not an official document.

                • darth

                  doesn’t matter as the form was published 11/01 and is laser, acording to the form itself. Obviously someone requested this document. An actual birth certificate as much more information including the hospital or location born, size and weight, doctor’s name and signature, etc. I was born in 1956 and my birth certificate is full of information. This document is not a birth certificate and I am amazed that if the campaign wanted to release one they wouldn’t have gotten an actual birth certificate. Obama should have one at home.

              • Billy-Colorado

                Since when is wikipedia a forum for indisputable fact. Anyone can blog into an article there. That is weak at best.

              • Citizens For a Free Seattle

                Hey Ben Franklin:

                You said: “Anyway, I doubt it highly, but, say Barack Obama WAS born in Kenya… IRRELEVANT, according to wikipedia, Barack Obama Sr never divorced his previous Kenyan wife, so Barack Obama was born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother”

                But the pertinent US law at the time of Barack Jr.’s birth was this:
                http://www.americanlaw.com/citabrd.html

                “In the case of a child born to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, the U.S. citizen parent now had only to be physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14.”

                Barack’s mom didn’t meet these qualifications to pass US citizenship to Barack if he were born in the Coastal Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

              • HAHAHAHA

                Let’s say he was, since he was. Let’s explain why this is a problem. And why he has gone to such great lengths to provide this fake piece of paper. You see you can’t run if you are a citizen. You have to be natural born. So, no, INS doesn’t need to be summoned because I am sure he is citizen, and not arrestable, so he can live here, but he can’t be president. Now, when a man swears to uphold the constitution but doesn’t follow it himself, how much stock do you put in that? AND fraud is illegal. If this document is not real but you are passing off as such, how much time can you get for that? It’s not that I have a problem with this as the principle of the matter. On so many levels. I don’t care for liars. Which means eventually I don’t care for most politicians. But I hold a high standard for our president, and this is bothersome. On a side note the man needs to take an economics course. He is going to just destroy the small amount of economy we have left. I am all for change, but need some to stay in my pocket.

          • vera

            Yes you do need to show a certificate of live birth to get a passport. I showed a certificate of birth and was told that is NOT a birth certificate, that it must be one of live birth with the Dr.’s signature and a raised stamp from the state. I was further told if there is no Dr.’s signature (such as born at home) then there is an attached document with witnesses signatures.

            • Janet

              I recently flew with my 18 month old and had to show his birth certificate. The only thing I was given by the county where I had him (which I had to pay $27 for) says “Certification of Birth” on the top, no doctors names, etc. I have a “keepsake” one from the hospital that has all the other info on it but was told it was not a real one and I had to apply for the real one from the county.

              • Idiocracy08

                You can travel and get passports as a US citizen. That doesn’t mean you were natural born citizen, which is the requirement to be POTUS.

          • Tom Phillips

            From the U.S. Passport Application:

            APPLICANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES: Submit a previous U.S. passport or certified birth certificate.

            If you were born in the United States, you NEED a Birth CERTIFICATE to obtain a passport.

            Q.E.D.

          • http://theclayeater.blogspot.com/ Ricky Baldwin

            Incorrect. I know for a fact – we just applied for passports for our kids this spring – that an original birth certificate is required.

        • tj coleman

          There should also be a state raised seal. Dont see on on here. The top does not look like a raised seal. My florida one is similar format and the seal is on the bottom.

        • David R

          No, a birth certificate is not required to get a passport. For a child you can simply file a letter of no record. It’s done on a State level, yet it’s is easier than you would think to get it!

          http://www.destination360.com/travel-resources/getting-a-passport.php

          • Ferd Berfle

            No, a birth certificate is not required to get a passport.

            You’re a bit late and a whole lot o’ dollars short. Actually a birth certificate is required or a “Letter of No Record “. It is easier to get the birth certificate.

      • Northwest rain

        Correct —

        There are guidelines for birth records to be used by registrars throughout the US.

        To make a long story short — in Genealogy we are taught how to search for records and what exactly constitutes a valid birth record. It wasn’t until the 1920s that all states were required to collect birth records in some sort of uniform fashion.

        You can do a Google Search for “Genealogy birth records” — which will go into detail about what information you can expect to find in birth records.

        There are also death records — and again there standard data collection forms.

        If Obama’s parents were married there should be some sort of marriage record.

        Larry is absolutely correct about the information contained in birth records.

        Obama’s paper trail began with his birth — and if his parents were indeed married then this would be another part of the Obama paper trail.

        Google: Genealogy birth records

        • Lou

          In those days they most always put the time born.
          Where’s the foot prints? I mean back then they had footprints, time born and the hospital.
          Like it wouldn’t usually say Mother and Fathers race. It’d just be their name. In those days they didn’t put race..

          This looks like it was typed on check printing paper. with a Hawaii cut and paste seal. He’s real good at cutting and pasting as we all know. Then he glued it on and printed it on check printing paper. Gee, even the illegals in L.A. can do better than that.

          Another faux move?

          • JS

            Mine doesn’t have a footprint on it and I was born in 1955, California. It has a signature and raised seal though.

        • Centrocitta

          …..Obama’s paper trail began with his birth — and if his parents were indeed married then this would be another part of the Obama paper trail……

          Yes it did. But he’s still alive so if he doesn’t want to produce his birth certificate because it may list his father as being Arabic or even Muslim, then you will just have to wait until Obama is deceased to get that informaton. Come on now, Mr/Ms “Geneologist”, you know better than that.

          In the meantime, if you don’t want to vote for Obama, then don’t!

          • http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/ timepassages

            Or could it be that his birth date is wrong? Mabye born before Hawaii was admitted to the union?

            http://democrats-against-obama.org/

          • Jonah

            What utter nonsense – the race of his father was clearly African, not Arabic. That is a physical/genetic thing that is written all over the face of the child.

            Not sure if the religion of the parents is listed, but even if it is, that would be no surprise – we know that his his largely absentee father was raised a Muslim in Kenya, but was not much of a believer in any religion.

            • SergeiRostov

              the race of his father was clearly African, not Arabic. That is a physical/genetic thing that is written all over the face of the child.

              Sorry, no. Geneticists have known – and have been trying to tell us – for decades that there is no genetic basis for the concept of “race.”

              And you can’t tell the race of a person just by looking at them; you only think that you can, because it makes your brain “feel better” to be able to put everything into a category.

              Not sure if the religion of the parents is listed, but even if it is, that would be no surprise – we know that his his largely absentee father was raised a Muslim in Kenya, but was not much of a believer in any religion.

              And yet his son was registered in school as a Muslim.
              (Was THAT a surprise to you?)

              • inodimwitliberalnomo

                You don’t know anything about the Obama mother or father or grandmother except as spoken by Obama himself. “Who yo Daddy” rings true (Obama does not know) his daddy could be Rev Wright or Louis Farrakahn for all he knows. Where’s the beef. Any other federal job would require proof of birth, age, gender, mother, father and place of birth at the least with certified doctors testifying this to be the facts. Obama is not a citizen of The United States of America (not one of the 50 US States but probably one of the 57 States of Islam). Obama is not a citizen and is not of age (he does not know when he was born or where). Obama is no citizen of Hawaii (Hawaii became a state in 1959 supposerdly Obama as born in 60) or the USA.

                • appalled

                  Well, I don’t know where to start here. First of all, I find it hard to believe that in this country, we don’t even make our hopeful leaders present proof of birth? I mean, really guys? You think the Democratic party hasn’t checked this out? Besides, nodimwitliberal, you should check your facts before submitting such a comment. For instance, Obama was born in 1961 and not 1960, as you claim.

                • http://theclayeater.blogspot.com/ Ricky Baldwin

                  Racist.

                  • http://theclayeater.blogspot.com/ Ricky Baldwin

                    This comment was for inodimwitliberalnomo.

              • Pam

                Just to remind you, a lot of Arabs live in Africa, which is a big continent and not popluated with just blacks. Osama Bin Laden is also from Africa (Saudi Arabia)and he is not considered “black”. Although there may be no genetic basis for race, I do not think “African” could be considered a “race”. Otherwise “American” would also be a “race” and “European” would be a “race” and so on. When a census is taken race is not indicated by continent or even country of origin.

                • bobby phischer phoenix az

                  saudi arabia is not in africa as you state its in asia…

              • elise

                Serge. if there is no genetic basis for race, how do you explain Sickle Cell Anemia or Blooms Syndrome in Jewish populations. And there are Population Specific Alleles. A DNA test can show racial diversity.

                • This American

                  Regardless of anything else, this Certification of Birth is NOT!!! a Birth Certificate. As many here have stated the information, state to state, may be different in format, but NOT different in the content. All US birth certificates must contain the name and DOB of the Parent(s), the name and signature of the person performing the birth, the name of the hospital or a witness if it was a home birth. My mom had 11 kids, born in NY, CA, OR and Panama and ALL information required is IDENTICAL. This is NOT a Birth Certificate that Barry presents, it is a Certification of Birth, using info that Barry’s mom gave to the state. Total FRAUD as is the man himself. Last I heard, he doesn’t HAVE a US passport, he has an Indonesian passport!!

                • Independent votes Republican

                  a lot of people get sickle cell anemia, but regardless these aren’t physical features. You missed the point.

              • Arnitra

                So what if he was Muslim? Does that make him unacceptable in some way? Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Why can’t we focus on the issues and the fact that being a person of mixed heritage may help bring this country together rather than divide it?

              • Night

                And yet, we know that he isn’t one, and moreover: I don’t see why we’d need to care if he was.

                Is that a surprise to you?

            • carol p

              As stated in the story “African” is not a race.

            • Spacelink

              NO! His fathers race was Black and his NATIONALITY was African, just as your nationality would be American, I presume.

              • Pam

                “Nationality” refers to a country, not a continent. His nationality would, I think, have been Kenyan.

              • http://www.colonelkernel.com Colonel Kernel

                Africa is a continent, genius, not a country. Listing one’s race as African is perfectly valid.

                • Citizens For a Free Seattle

                  Africa is a continent – a physical location, genius. I have a white African brother in law. Should he be listed as race: Caucasian or race African? Hmm?

          • Citizens For a Free Seattle

            Centrocitta:
            “Yes it did. But he’s still alive so if he doesn’t want to produce his birth certificate because it may list his father as being Arabic or even Muslim, then you will just have to wait until Obama is deceased to get that informaton. Come on now, Mr/Ms “Geneologist”, you know better than that.”

            Sorry Charlie, er Centrocitta. Obama is now under scrutiny to see if he qualifies under Article 2 of the US Constitution as the President-elect of the Unites States of America. This is no longer just some passing curiosity but one of historical, Constitutional and national significance.

          • Citizens For a Free Seattle

            Centrocitta:
            “But he’s still alive so if he doesn’t want to produce his birth certificate because it may list his father as being Arabic or even Muslim, then you will just have to wait until Obama is deceased to get that informaton. Come on now, Mr/Ms “Geneologist”, you know better than that.”

            Sorry Charlie, er Centrocitta. This is no longer a private citizen’s record but a question of historic and US Consitutional relevance. It must come out in court. There is a HI court case that will start on 11/18 on this case and there have been no less than 12 lawsuits about this matter so far throughout the US. If Obama has nothing to hide then why is he hiding?

        • http://Owllwoman E Stoddard

          There was no seal! Its not real.

          • rosie

            I went and looked at my birth certificate and the certificates of my two children.

            My kids still have their original live birth certificates and have all the information Larry posted. But mine, since I only had the hospital record, is a copy I had to apply for from the state I was born in, in order to get a passport. I was surprised how little information there is on it. It has even less information on it than the one shown by Obama.

            Believe me, I did get it from the state, it has been good enough to use for a passport and all DMV records, and doesn’t look anything like what they released in 1962, the year I was born (and by the way, my son’s birth certificate is on a totally different style paper, and he was born two years after my daughter in the same county).

            We all can’t have our original birth certificates if our parents kept them or lost them, and getting a copy is very commonplace. And if, even my kids can have two completely different birth certificates from the same country, only two years apart, then seems pretty hard to find any consistency on these things.

            (Just so you know, I am a die hard Hillary voter/supporter who is NOT voting for Obama.)

            • Independent votes Republican

              but does it have a stamped or embossed seal?

              Mine and my daughters aren’t the originals but they still have a seal on them. Mine is from Virginia, and my daughter’s is from Florida; one has a foil seal, the other is embossed. Both have way more information than this one.

            • Citizens For a Free Seattle

              “it has been good enough to use for a passport and all DMV records, ”

              When you begin to conceive of the paper trail that has led Obama to where he is now, you can see it. From 1911 to 1972, Hawaii permitted people over the age of one year to apply for a birth certificate. Many people were born at home; and did not have a birth certificate from a hospital. Perhaps O’s mother wanted to ensure that O had the benfits of US citizenship and applied for one of those ‘at home’ deals once she and Barack were back in HI (meaning the hospital and attending physician, et al, may not be listed on that document!). Then, all other ‘official state’ documents – like the laser copy Certification that we se on Fight the Smears (Obama’s campaign erroneously, or perhaps deceitfully called that copy his ‘original’ birth certificate and the site – http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate still calls this “Barack Obama’s Official Birth Certificate” which is itself a deceit in that this document only points to an underlying document that Dr. Fukino has admitted to having seen. And yet Obama will not voluntarily release this record.

              Now to all those that say, he’s gotten a passport and security clearances – all of those facts lie on this one problematic house of cards – Obama’s original HI birth certificate may not list a hospital where he was born nor an attending doctor – and so what are we to believe about the story that hewas born in either of two different hospitials in Honolulu, or about the notion that he was born in the Coastal Hospital in Mombassa, Kenya?
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmO4-gd8oAU&feature=related

              If Barack Obama has nothing to hide then why is he hiding?

              • http://theclayeater.blogspot.com/ Ricky Baldwin

                Why do you care? It’s a stupid rule anyway.

        • nancy sabet

          Yes I looked at my dauther’s certificate, and Larry is right. It has all the iformation listed by him on the certificate.

        • NoBama

          The birth certificate on D. Kos is a fabrication. First of all, it is a version from 2001, as you can see from the bottom of the document.
          Documents in 1961 were either handwritten or typed by a Smith Corona, not by laser arial font 12. Obama’s name was not Barack at birth, he changed his name in later life.

          It is so obvious a recreation of what may be on the document but cannot be trusted till the original is presented without omissions or alterations.
          What is Obama hiding from the American people?

          • salliort

            Good question, Nobama.

            I’m sure that if we saw the original certificate or the certification, that his father’s race would clearly be listed as “Negro.” That was the term used then for anyone who was of African origen.

            It would be typed on a typewriter, but not necessarily a Smith Corona. It could have been an IBM Executive Electric. It would not have been the IBM Selectric, though because that was introduced days before Obama’s birth.

            Clearly there is something wrong inside the Obama campaign.

          • This American

            He’s hiding his Kenyan birth, which makes him ineligible for the American Presidency.

        • Tired in TN

          I have ancestory.com. I have stayed up very late nights looking everywhere for marriage and divorce records for his mother. There is none. Birth records for her parents and her but not the kid. Not even under his adopted name. Nor at her death did she use either married name. It listed her with the maiden name. Noticed that the only place that didn’t have a search option was in Africa (well imangine that) Something really stinks with this whole obama man. I know how it works. I gotta a cat. When he has something stinky to hide he covers it up.

        • gitrdon

          Isn’t there someon in Hawaii to just check
          his school records for a copy of the original
          birth certificate?

          You could not get into school without a
          copy of the original birth certificate. PERIOD!

          • Citizens For a Free Seattle

            Gitrdon – all those records are locked down tighter than Fort Knox. Hmmph! What’s he and what are officials helping him hide?

      • Peter

        No true. Mine is a certified copy of birth record and does not have physicain data, no hospital data, no parent signature, my fathers age/birth date is missing, no race etc. The only item on that list mine has is #7. I was born in CA.

        My child has a certificate of live birth and has 2,3,4 and 7, but not 1,5 or 6. Also born in CA.

        Not just each state, but counties can have different data, but missing the registrars number is glaring. The campaign is making itself look incompetent by not clearing this up and quickly (not that I care what they do)

        • Tired in TN

          I to was born in CA. 1965. All boxes have data in them. Including what type of work each parent did. And for the person above…He wouldnt have Negro on his certificate. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side. While Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya , his father’s family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate even states he’s Arab, not African Negro).

        • This American

          Peter,
          Where in CA? I have mine, from 1955 and it is identical to my daughter’s in 1992 and 1992. All boxes are filled because ALL information was given. There are 7 sections and although some from other states, like NY and OR, are in a different format from mine, ALL give the same information. My mom still has the originals of all 11 children at her home.
          That info is on the Certificate of Live Birth ON the State Certification of Vital Records. They are 1) This Child 2) Place of Birth 3)Father of Child ( includes DOB and State of birth) 4) Mother of Child (same as 3) 5)Parent’s Certification (signatures) 6) Certification of Birth (signed by the Dr and the Hospital BC Coordinator and 7) Local Registrar (signed and date stamped) Barry CANNOT produce this, because one doesn’t exist!!!

    • Hope Floats

      For campingoutindenver, too. Let’s kill two trolls with one stone…

      Your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory. Oh, snap.

      • campingoutindenver

        What, am I a troll, because I acknowledged that my views swing left of center?

        • Teakwood

          my views swing left of center? What else?

      • Lou

        Hope is always so snarky..LOL

    • TI

      Larry! Check out the following article and maybe write your own article….somebody get a hold of Larry and get this to him:

      http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=15929

      • JustWords08

        What is this? It requires registration, seems it is on a private forum over there too.

    • chavezravine

      no birth weight, either. i was born in 1959, and my BC actually has a baby footprint.

      the blogswarming is interesting. they are scared.

      • Linda C.

        That isn’t you birth certificate. That is the hospital certificate of your birth…different thing. I have had the pleasure of inking up baby’s feet.

        • Jonnie

          My birth certificate for DC has “Certification of Birth” It also doesn’t even have race of my mother and father. There is no time of birth. I think you guys are just looney and have nothing better to do with your lives. Barack Obama will be president and he will make your pathetic lives better. Then you will love him.

          • Independent votes Republican

            DOES IT HAVE A SEAL?

            If there is no seal it is not a legal form of proof of birth.

    • HillaryDidWin

      No Seal..no signature…FAKE..total fake!!..I can make that on my computer..haha

      • http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html Hillary’sSimplytheBest

        It’s a copy. When enlarged look near the bottom you can see Nov. 8 2007 but in reverse as it’s coming through the back.

        • roseeriter

          I recently had to send a copy of my birth certificate to get on a housing list. Could not find it. So I called the Dept of records in my State and ordered it.

          It does not look like the original one, but I do think both had a seal of some sort, or water mark. Trying to tell by a picture on the internet is deceptive and unprovable in my opinion.

          Nobama needs to disclose and basically answer the questions.

          If they want us to shut up they need to do the right thing. Answer the questions and not with little young mean obambots like the ones on Larry King putting No Quarter down. (Larry you did get a mention ON Larry King last night)

          • roseeriter

            And you have to send or show a picture legal ID, SS# and proof of residence/address if I recall correctly.

            So how did Kos do that?

            • roseeriter

              And I also got a wallet size birth certificate. Even that has a state SEAL and a signature and a RED additional number on it.

              It should also mention the State and Division of Vital Records Administration.

            • tj coleman

              You can order one on line without all that information. I just got mine and my husbands. You just have to have the correct information that is on the BC. I cannot remember if I had to put my DL in or not(number only) Go to vital statistics for Hawii and you can obtain the info needed.

        • Carol P

          Wow, good detective work – I did notice the marks, but could not decipher what it was. Now that I look at it again, I do see Nov. 8, 2007 backwards. I find it amazing that the Obama camp is egotistical enough to think he can fool us. Good job.

        • Independent votes Republican

          YES. Thank you I saw that too. That is not normal.

    • nothanksbama

      And while we’re at it, I’d like to see Taylor Marsh’s birth certificate. She told the Washington Post that she’s 47, but I don’t believe it for a minute!

      • Nicole

        That’s funny!

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      One more time to try to post this.

      I did not think there was anything to this story until seeing this document.

      This certificate is what the Hawaii DOH calls a “Late” Certificate of Birth, and it is not an original Birth Certificate recorded at the date of actual birth.

      In Hawaii, anyone can claim they were born there and submit the evidence years after the birth to obtain a late “Certificate of Birth”.

      “Who is Eligible to Apply for Late Registration? As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration: Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth.

      Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.

      Perhaps Obama had his typical white grandmother sign an affidavit to submit as evidence of Hawaii birth.

      Why wasn’t there an original certificate filed at the time of birth? Was Barak born in a hospital? The Obots think he was born in a manger.

      An original Hawaii Certificate of Birth has the actual place of birth, i.e. home, hospital, or manger, and the physical address (no PO boxes please)

      An original also has the signiture of the attending physician, or other designated attendee.

      The physical addresses of both parents are also listed on an original Certificate of Birth.

      So, Barak has some splainin to do. What evidence did he submit to obtain this “late” Certificate of Birth.

      The plot thickens…..

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Interesting…I didn’t think there was anything to the story, either.

        • Mickey

          Was it possible that his was born in kenyan?

      • Joe

        Don’t you know? He was beamed down from the Mothership in the sky as an infant so that he could deliver us all into eternal servitude with the Benign Dictatorship when he grows up.

      • http://deleted TheViking

        This “proof” he has submitted on HIS OWN website is ludicrous!

        What the hell is that? A laser copy?

        Why doesn’t he submit the REAL cert — assuming of course — there is a REAL CERTIFICATE.

        Yep, the plot thickens on this fraudster.

    • JM

      This is it! You’re quaking in your panties.

    • karen Anderson

      This certificate strikes me as odd. The font looks like it comes directly from a computer, not a typewriter such as what would have been used in 61. Seems like it could be a fake….

      • mr. natural

        not a typewriter such as what would have been used in 61

        Generation Obama doesn’t know what a typewriter is.

    • Leah

      Larry is absolutely correct. I just checked my birth certificate and another in my family. Both, from different states, have all of the same checkpoints Larry mentioned and both state, “Certificate of Live Birth.” There is something awfully strange about someone who hides their birth certificate.

    • http://www.probush.com ProBush.com

      At the bottom of the cert;

      “This COPY serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding”

      We assume this to not be the original but a copy sent for years later at which time when the original was probably lost.

      What we need to be looking for is what Authentic “Copies” of Hawaiian COB’s look like today.

      • Independent votes Republican

        All official “COPIES” have seals.

    • dave

      I live in Hawaii and that document looks exactly like the one our three kids have.

    • Greg

      I build websites and work with digital photos all the time. One thing I noticed is if you add text to a picture, save it a JPG file, and then zoom in on it, you’ll see distortion around the perimeter of the text. In the close-up of Obama’s birth certificate you can see distortion around the letters. This indicates that the text was added in a digital photo program. This certificate is NOT a copy of a paper document. It’s simply a digital background and then someone added the text to it. It’s a complete fake.

      Also notice the following:
      1. The text on the Hawaiian logo is more distorted then the rest of the text on the page. This is because this was copied from a low quality copy of a real birth certificate.
      2. No physician name or signature.
      3. No hospital name or address.
      4. No parents signatures.
      5. No parents DOB, place of birth, or age.
      6. Father’s “race” would be black or negro, not African.
      7. No Registrar’s name or signature.
      8. No seal that this is a “valid” birth certificate from Hawaii.

      Obama is NOT a US citizen and is trying to hide it! If you can’t see this then you need help.

    • Michael

      Each Island of Hawaii is also the county.
      The County would be Oahu not Honolulu, unless
      the changes had not yet taken affect since statehood 1959.

    • http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm361/tcreek/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963-sm.jpg Trent

      This is what an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate looks like.

      • Lyn

        Trent, do you reside in Oahu?

    • anna from PHX
    • http://www.terrasears.com Terra

      It is a duplicate birth certificate… Like my duplicate birth certificate, it is different from the one I used to have (the origional was long with all kinds of signatures, my new one isn’t – and it is from Wyoming – Amazing what technology can do… *sigh, I thought this issue was put to bed long ago

    • Lydia

      I was born in Honolulu,Hawaii in 1961 and my Birth Certificate doesn’t look like Obama’s. It has my Dad listed under my name,his birthplace,age,and occupation,then my mother listed next,her birthplace,age,occupation and her maiden name. Both have race listed. There are 23 BOXES for this information to be filled out. At the bottom of the page has the Director of Health signature and the Registrar General signature,dated and has a raised seal.

      • gitrdon

        In regards to the 1961 Hawaii Birth Certificate;
        Is this seal on the front or back of your birth certificate?

    • Karen

      Ok, I was born in NJ in 1960 and MY “Birth Certificate” actually says, “Office of Vital Statistics”,then under that, “Certification of Birth”. My children’s, all born in FL past 1980, say the same.

      BUT, mine and my children’s ALL have a “Date of Issue”, are SIGNED by the State Registrar AND clearly have a State Seal stamp.

      So, while I can’t say the phrase “Certification of birth” does NOT mean the same as “Birth Certificate” (mine and my children’s prove this), I CAN say, no signature, no seal and no Date of Issue are the things which truly bring this document into question.

    • truth

      ok first the rumor was obama was born in kenya then went to hawaii and got a birth certificate tht said hawaii on it but this has to be untrue because to get to hawaii u need a passport or birth certificate

    • me

      yeah i agree with Jody

      it seems like the writer of this article is saying that Black isn’t the same as African-American.

      of course they’re going to put African on his birth certificate! Obama Sr was from Africa, yeah, his skin is black, but they would just be generalizing all blacks if they put Black instead of African. not all blacks are african or african-american. they have to be specific.

      a generalizing “black” would be used for skin color, not race.

      whatever, he won. he’s our president. i’m tired of settling down paranoid republicans.

      • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & Cat Herding Supplies

        Most people on this blog are not Republicans. And its not being paranoid to make sure our president is eligible under the USC to hold office.

    • Berry

      WHAT IS MOST STRIKIING TO ME ABOUT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT RAISES EYEBROWS IS THE FACT THAT HIS MOTHER NAMED HIM BERRY OBAMA. IT WASN’T UNTILL YEARD LATER THAT HE CHANGED HIS NAME TO BARACK, SO WHY THEN IS THE CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH HAVE THE NAME BARACK OBAMA??????

      • LoveN

        You are mistaken, President’s Obama given name is Barack. His nickname the one used by family and friends was BARRY. Not BERRY?!?

    • theone

      If only laser jet printers were really available back in 1961, I was born same time mine was typed out, but you know getting a copy of an original would cost $20.00, his logic is to spend millions on fighting the process rather than showing a copy of the original, When someone finds that ink jet or laser jet printer that printed the above birth certificate back in 1960 let me know because it is going to be very valuable, as no one knew anything about them back then.

  • cb

    Is your hair real? Can we get a straight, clear answer on this please?

    • ginamc

      is your dumbass real? Grow up. Actually, LJ is quite a handsome, brilliant guy. You wish you had half his brains and looks. You poor, scared, pathetic PUNKS.

      • Jody

        Is this comment real? Or is this some bizarre reverse double-backflip trolling that I am unaware of?

      • cb

        This kind of deflection is disturbing, and typical of this campaign. Frankly, it raises doubts about Larry’s ability to walk into a stiff wind. The American people deserve better!

        • claribel borden

          It’s a bad troll by a poor deluded thing who can’t admit his little system of the Internet chaos troll has been cracked, and hammered.

          Poor thing, he’s old.

    • fly

      we have serious problems in this country…and you fucking idiots are asking about fucking hair? Aren’t there Obama cesspools you can go play in and match lack of intelligence there , and stop wasting space here???????

      Larry’s hair isn’t going to fuck up our nation, little lord obama sure can and will!

      Just like little lord pissy pants did in this white house..one iiot got my co-workers killed..now do we have to have more of you idiots cheering on a second idiot for our white house..and our national security..why do you idiots want someone as dumb as yourselves for president?

      Intelligent people want real security with intelligent people running the show.

      WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE’S HAIR???????????

      WE HAVE SOLDIERS AT WAR..

      OUR GOVERNMENT JUST SENT FIRE INTO PAKISTAN..FROM AFGANISTAN..YOU KNOW THE COUNTRY OBAMA IS CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE..THAT THE FUCKER HASN’T HELD ONE HEARING ON!!

      not one!

      so troll..keep worrying about someone’s hair..let us grown ups make sure our national security is taken care of..and we know Obama is not the one for the job..not even close!

      I will never vote for Obama..ever.

      fly

      • Patrick Walker

        Obama, or any other junior Senator, wouldn’t exactly be put in charge of a volatile region.

        Obama’s committee was based on European relations, I think.

        But your other points still stand.

        • Victor

          Obama’s subcommittee deals with NATO. NATO forces are currently providing a lot of manpower and support in Afghanistan.

      • Centrocitta

        Yeah, but can you imagine having to wear a wig every day when you don’t really need one? I’d rather just go on a long vacation.

      • Lyn

        McCain sure doesn’t fill the bill for intellegence!

  • NoObamislamists

    This thing is so obviously fake it’s like it was done by the same guy that did the italian Niger yellow cake letter.

    It’ like Bush II: Electric Boog-a-loo

    • ginamc

      Has BO been passing through with this crap, fake birth certificate all of these years? This looks like something that you’d purchase at Wal-Mart along with Monopoly money!

      • NoObamislamists

        This looks more like the title to my car! My birth certificate looks nowhere near like mine from 1969 and when my father had to get a copy of his from 1932 got an actual microfilm copy of the original, some some phoney looking laser printed by copy.

        Dailykooks are losing their minds.

        • Mary

          There’s no notary seal or signature , either.

          Means it’s not an official birth certificate issued by the state.

          • Isolde

            It is an abstract of the birth record. It is not a certified copy if it does not have the issuing agency seal or certification. It is not a copy of an original entry in the birth records of Oahu county, city of Honolulu, or state of Hawaii. It can be a valid abstract but it does not contain all information of a recorded birth record. It is not a copy, it may be an abstract of certain information from a birth record. The question would be why an abstract of partial information is released and who made the abstract.

            • Mary

              That’s what I said.

              It’s not a CERTIFIED copy.

            • Michaela22

              Absolutely agree with everything you just said…and the other thing I noticed and someone has already mentioned…no notary seal visible.

              • OldCoastie

                also, a birth certificate from that era would have been typed, not generated on a computer – typewriters used a serif font… not block letters/san serif.

                • Acadian

                  But a recently issued COPY would NOT have had all those features you mentioned.

                  Yes, that is a COPY. Just like the one that SS requires. Really, you’re fighting a losing battle, guys. Move on. Find something real to carp about. Reach for substantiveness, rather than descending to the level of Fox News and their ‘Baby Mama’ expose.

                  • WildChild

                    But this is substantive. The constitution requires one to be a natural born citizen to be president. It is not to much to ask to see an original birth certificate or a copy of that original birth certificate to establish the nature of BOBO’s citizenship. The sooner BOBO does it, the sooner we can put this behind us.

                    • Acadian

                      Yeeeaaaah….honestly, Obama is not answerable to this site. If there was another site asking the same of Clinton, I’d say the same thing.

                    • Teakwood

                      Apparently he is only answerable to his own hoped up fantasy.

                    • Acadian

                      It’s not like he or any other politician is directly answerable to you or anyone on this site, is it?

                  • anonimousvex

                    It’s a copy many people do not have original birth certificates. My brother was born in Puerto Rico. No birth certificate. He applied for a copy and received it. He is a US citizen. Keep digging, Next we will have irrefutable proof that Obama rode in a cab once driven by some suspected Islamic terrorist. Is it only June?

                  • Dude

                    According to the law in 1961 the Mother did not pass Citizenship. Only the Father did. Obama’s father was Kenyan.

                    Obama was born a Kenyan. Point blank.

            • Firelight

              I got my boyfriend’s kid’s 1990 birth certificate recently in Washington State and it had about as much info as the supposed certification for Obama. I was told that one of the reasons they now do not put alot of info on the certificates is to prevent identity theft. But the decision on what to put on what they give you when you request a birth certificate (certification or certificate of live birth?) seems to be determined by individual counties.

              I got my own early 1960′s birth certificate recently from California so I could get a passport. It was called Certificate of Live Birth. It looked like a copy of the original because it had my mother’s signature, attending physician, etc.

              • mr. natural

                So it should be easy enough for Kid Unity to obtain a certified copy of his own birth certificate, if it exists.

                It’s not like anyone can assume his identity at this point. No one else has the halo.

            • d4hillary

              Barack is probably hiding his ethnicity. When one comes into America from an american territory or an island they get to choose whether they are caucasian or black. He probably chose caucasian (as many blacks do)in order for better jobs, housing, etc. Can’t let the AA’s find that out!

    • s. hall

      NoObamislamists — Why should the Obama Campaign care if his birth certificate looks real–his people are a bunch of idiots. They would buy anything including a man who is not an American running this country. Obama is as dirty as they come. Everyday he deals from the bottom of the deck.

  • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

    Hey trolls, Larry raises valid points. Go ask your mom for your birth certificates and compare them to Obama’s.

    • Michael

      Your mom probably has the original, that one is obviously a replica. That does not mean its fake it just means your mom kept yours and his did not. Deal with it.

      • Hope Floats

        That’s cause she was on food stamps. She probably sold it for beer money.

        • WildChild

          LOL

      • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

        Did I say it was fake? I said compare them because the “replica” (which this is not) does not contain all the information on an original birth certificate.
        It’s Obama’s half-truths exposed again, you deal with it.

  • Annie Oakley

    Rev. 11/01?

    • Annie Oakley

      If it’s a copy it should be certified by the hospital record department as authentic. The NJ one I had available to look at did include father’s (but not mother’s) occupation and place of work.

      • ginamc

        I recently just got a copy of my birth certificate from and it also had the doctor’s signature, and my footprints, handprints and fingerprints.

        Uh oh, Barry, you’re in deep do-do!

      • ginamc

        I recently just got a copy of my birth certificate from 1960, and it also had the doctor’s signature, and my footprints, handprints and fingerprints.

        Uh oh, Barry, you’re in deep do-do!

        • Linda C.

          What state are you from. The birth certificate comes from the state. They ink your feet in the hospital….I have a birth certificate from the state and a hospital birth certificate.

        • Teakwood

          Mine has all kinds of info time hospital, Place doctor both parents, the works…foot print…a kites foot print awww gee :)

          Comment by Hillary’sSimplytheBest | 2008-06-13 00:06:16

          It’s a copy. When enlarged look near the bottom you can see Nov. 8 2007 but in reverse as it’s coming through the back

          So why on November 8th 2007 is a copied made?

          Most folks keep important papers like a BC at the “home office”. He is already a US senator and that requires some backround info like a BC?

          If BO traveled to Pakistan he needed a passport and that would require producing the original or certified copy to obtain one.

          Unless the original passport he had to travel to Jakarta was issued by a different country his parents would still need to present one. Although his parents were custodial at 6 to 10 years of age what, what passport was used to enter Indoniesa?

          Just askin.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            Of course, which is why people are silly to doubt that he’s a citizen.

            It is a sign that people find his background odd, though. Exotic is the word.

        • workingclass artist

          I’m from Texas, 1960. Hospital BC’s were verified by the state. Same info was required. date, time and location of birth. Parents and attending OB. weight, length, gender, race of infant. Mine is a little different as I’m a twin and it lists the name and sex of my twin. Also because I was born at a Catholic Hospital it lists the religion of parents. Hand and footprints which I believe was standard practice. Also has state seal. I recently applied for a passport for my daughter.
          Had to get an official state copy of hers ( 1990 ) it lists the birthplace of both parents, a reference number in the county records and has a raised state seal ( Indiana ) These are required for state health agencies, schools, etc….

      • SueB.

        The State of Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics or similar dept is where Birth Certificates are kept and where you would go to get a certified copy for identification purposes (ie, driver’s license, passport, etc.)
        That piece of paper wouldn’t pass the smell test.

  • jwrjr

    If this is what Obama is presenting as an Hawaiian birth certificate, then it is proof positive that he is a fraud. Is it possible that this is something concocted by the Obama campaign to try to do a “Dan Rather” on this site in general and LJ in particular?

  • Andy

    What’s that on the bottom left corner?

    OHBM 1.1 (Rev 10/01) LASER

    • Teakwood

      Printer firmware …

      • mr. natural

        Printer firmware …

        Now it’s getting interesting.

        A couple of years ago the Electronic Freedom Foundation published proof that several color printer manufacturers were encoding printer serial numbers into the pages they printed.

        They began doing this at the behest of the United States Secret Service, to ease the tracing of color printer counterfeit currency.

        http://www.eff.org/issues/printers

        If you used your credit card to pay for your printer or have registered your printer’s warranty, the serial number is tied directly to you.

        Even if you paid cash and gave the Best Buy clerk a phony phone number or zip code, your image could remain on their security camera database forever.

        Looks like you’ve finally got a reason to pull that old burqa out of the closet, eh?

  • typical.white.person

    So…. if Africa is Obama’s father’s race, ….

    When I am asked my race from now on, do I answer U.S.A.?

    Just Curious.

    • claribel borden

      Is it an abstract of the certificate?

      At least since the early 90′s, a full certificate is not always issued, only an abstract.

      The original would be on file, though, and certainly available to a US senator.

      The nursing staff might have recorded what they were told by Obama’s mother, or father, to explain “african” but I do see why there would be questions.

      • AJSHOPE

        What are you talking about? I got a copy of my birth certificate in 1999 from Ohio and it is literally a copy of the original printed on a half sheet of watermarked, Ohio sealed paper.

    • ginamc

      In 1961, birth certificates said “Negro” or “Caucasian” — this is SO BOGUS!

      • HARP

        OH,OH…bo,bo made a boo boo.

    • sleepy

      How is Obama responsible for what state officials put on his certificate when he was 5 days old?

      • Teakwood

        Who woke you up? Ogrumpy?

    • salliort

      Of course you do. Me too. :)

      • salliort

        Comment by typical.white.person | 2008-06-12 22:31:09

        So…. if Africa is Obama’s father’s race, ….

        When I am asked my race from now on, do I answer U.S.A.?

        Just Curious.

        Comment by salliort | 2008-06-13 14:18:13

        Of course you do. Me too.

        I got caught in the slow down on the comments replies.

  • Shainzona

    Yup – you got that right, Larry. This is an “after-generated” certificate – not the actual BC.

    This is what you get when you order a copy for yourself when you’re 20 something and need proof of birth. This is NOT a birth certificate.

    • Anee

      His birth name was not BO it was something else so we immediately know this is a fake document.

      • Tired in TN

        His Birth name was BO. When he was adopted by the step father his records were sealed. Although…like I said above. There is nothing with the adopted name either. In my occupation I have to order birth certifics from years 1940′s and up. What BO is saying is his certificate looks nothing like I receive, they all look like the orginal BC. they are even sealed by a notery so that they are considered a legal document.

  • Dead Ender1 Bites Bambi

    He should be able to produce a birth certificate in about 2 weeks.

    It’s required for a passport any more, after all.

    Tick tock.

    • Shainzona

      This certificate of birth might work for a passport…but it still is not the actual Birth Certificate. It’s “proof” of birth – nothing else.

      • Shainzona

        Oh, also look at the style…it contemporary, not what would have been generated back in 1961.

        • HARP

          Check typewriter font from 1961.

  • James

    It’s a state-certified, state-sealed computer printout, which is what they GIVE you when you get your birth certificate, at least now that it’s the 21st Century and all, you know? What did you think, they got out the microfilm? Read the bottom, morons: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

    Sheesh.

    • POdVet

      sorry to burst your bubble, official state documents do NOT contain jpeg artifacts as can be clearly seen around all text and the state seal. They have actual forms, not photoshop.

      Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
      P.U.M.A.

      • Green Eagle

        I don’t know anything about birth certificates,but I do know something about Photoshop. I have worked in TV art departments for years, and have a pretty good knowledge of how people produce fake documents.

        A phony birth certificate manufactured in Photoshop, or more likely Illustrator, would not contain any JPEG artifacts, since it would be created in .PSD or .AI file formats, which are lossless and would contain no artifacts of any kind.

        JPEG artifacts might well be introduced by saving the file in a JPG format to decrease file size for placing on the web, but this would also happen if a 20mb or so scanned image of such a document is saved as a compressed JPG.

        Learn the facts before subjecting us to your wacky conspiracy theories- you sound like one of those 9/11 people who all seem to have earned graduate degrees in structural engineering overnight.

        • WildChild

          We appreciate you for affirming that the image we are being shown of BOBO’ birth certificate is not credible.

        • POdVet

          If it was a scan of an original document there would indeed be uniform jpeg artifacts. but they would NOT be focused around the text and state seal. Also around the seal, if it was real the back ground would be visible in all open(non black) areas, and it is not. And like I said it was obviously a quick and faulty job. If they had taken their time they might have done a better job, but it would still be missing the legally required registrars seal and signature.

          Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
          P.U.M.A.

      • Acadian

        But SCANS of documents on a web site will almost certainly have JPEG artifacts if they are JPEGs.

        Is that image a JPEG? Why, I believe it is! Oh my god, it has what it’s expected to have! Call the press, tell them the sky is blue!

        • vicsmith

          you are not funny.

          • Acadian

            Neither is making specious accusations of forgery.

    • WildChild

      What you saying is the state of Hawaii gives out forgery’s of birth certificates. Yes, we do expect to see a copy of the actual birth certificate. If it is on microphishe and it hasn’t been scanned into a hard drive somewhere then yes they do need to go find it, make a copy of the birth certificate and show it to us. Then we’d like to have the actual microphishe forensically tested for authenticity, since you’ve already given us one forgery.

    • Mary

      Uh, no.

      If it was certified, there would be a notary’s seal and signature.

    • C D Ward

      James sez:
      It’s a state-certified, state-sealed computer printout . . .

      No; it’s not certified because it bears no seal. It’s a computer printout, period.

      James sez:
      “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

      Yes; if and only if it has a seal, which it does not.

    • Tired in TN

      Sorry but…………..YOUR WRONG.

  • POdVet

    Whoopsie! Obamatons better tell their supervisors that their latest BS has been proven to be a lie once again.

    BREAKING On todays Lou Dobbs show. Author Jerome Corsi announces his new book to be released August 12th titled the Obamanation written as 2 words but intended as 1.

    Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
    P.U.M.A.

  • No fan of Obama

    No attending physician signature or license number (This is acutally not required in many states)
    2. No address for the attending physician or hospital (Not needed in most states)
    3. No parent signature (Not needed in most states)
    4. No parent DOB or age of parent or parent place of birth. (Again not needed in every state)
    5. Father’s race would not be “African”, that is country of origin. Race would be black or Negro (1960’s) — (it could be if the person filling it and accepting it doesn’t know better.)
    6. Was this a single birth or multiple birth. (Again, not all states require it)
    7. No Registrars name or signature. — It might not be a Certified copy of his birth certificate — There are several different types that you can get )

    I have done some genealogy for my family and Birth Certificates are different from state to state and even different from cities/towns that people submit to..

    For example in Many States if you are adopted you don’t have access to the information on your Birth Certificate and you might not have any of the above on the version you receive.

    It can be a valid Certificate, I tried to surf the net to see if I could find a copy of a Birth Certificate from Hawaii — I couldn’t find one.

    • Mary

      That’s the point. It is NOT a certified copy of the original, without the seal or the signature.

      • No fan of Obama

        But it still can be a birth certificate just not a certified birth certificate. And it doesn’t have to have any of the above information on it..

        • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

          Again that is correct; however, a copy of the original, actual Certificate of Live Birth can be easily obtained. If the Obama campaign is going to release this information, they should not do so half heartedly and not expect this response. It is very simple, produce the document in it’s entirety.

          • No fan of Obama

            Yup — I looked at the KOS site and this looks like it was stamped Nov 2007 —

            It should have come from Obama’s campagin not an pro-obama site.

            • Firelight

              If it is from the Obama campaign, it is bizarre that it would be released to Daily Kos. That is creepy.

              I said elsewhere on this thread that I recently went to the county registrar in Washington state and ordered a birth certificate for my boyfriend’s son. The birth was in the 1990s. I was given what looked like an abstract, similar to the one shown for Obama. When I ordered it, I did not have to prove any relation. So maybe anyone could have ordered the one shown for Obama. It may not have come from his campaign.

              When I got my own more detailed certificate of live birth (early 1960′s California) I had to send a signed and notarized letter by fax to the county (notary stamp was ink only so you could see it on a fax).

              • http://deleted AnninCa

                Daily KOS is probably where all the trolls come from, no?

          • SueB.

            Same thing they did with his medical records. Released a “summary.” Stuff like blood pressure, cholesterol levels. I say give him a drug test before he’s nominated. If the Wal-Mart stocker has to take one…why not the potential President????

            ps. Frankly, I don’t care if the stocker is smoking a bit of herb on occasion. Probably makes his/her day go by a little easier.

            • Teakwood

              Probably makes his/her day go by a little easier

              The bike I bought last year was probably put together by him.

    • Rodhamdem

      So what you’re saying is Obama was adopted?

      No wonder he doesn’t care about his “grandmother”

      :-P

      • No fan of Obama

        LOL no– I am saying that this is just one type of Birth Certificate.

        You can go to City/Town hall and asked for a copy of your BC and they will ask you which version you need. There are different Birth Certificates for different applications. For example if you are getting a Passport you need a Long Form with a seal — If you just need one with basic info for an employer or other applications you get the Short form. If you were adopted basically you get one that says basically Yup you were born! and doesn’t give you any information.

        Each state has different requirements and can be complicated by *when* you had one.

        Short Forms generally are like the the one that is shown above –

        • elise

          Which state are you talking about? I had to replace mine (the original was falling apart so I guess that shows my age). I live in a different state than the state of my birth and they required a notarized statement. The one they sent looked exactly like the original and it was stamped by the state. It had the place and date of birth for both parents as well as my mother’s maiden name. This was last year. I have two cousins born in Hawaii while their father was stationed there. I am going to ask if they have theirs and take a look at it.

      • s. hall

        I find it interesting that a Barack Hussein Obama was born in his father’s town the same day as Barack Hussein Obama was supposedly born in Hawaii. The man’s whole life is a lie and everything he does is crooked. Then there are his hate filled pals.

        • No fan of Obama

          I am no Obama supporter but I never heard that he was born in Kenya? IIRC, he was born in Hawaii where his mother lived at the time. IIRC I never heard that his mother traveled to Kenya.

          I don’t like Obama very much but I don’t understand the need to have him to be born outside of the US…

          • so saddened

            because if he was born outside the u.s. he’s not a natural born citizen and cannot legally be president.

            it’s not a judgment call. it’s in the constitution.

            • sleepy

              You can be born outside of the United States and be a natural born citizen, as long as your citizenship is derived through birth, which Obama’s would have been regardless of where he was born.

              Even if true, the wingnut theory doesn’t even matter.

              • WildChild

                That wasn’t true in 61

              • elise

                There was a similiar question about McCain’s birth a few months ago because he was born in Central America while his father was in service there. Both of his parents were Americans and his father was in the military so I guess the situation is different, but if Obama was in fact born in Kenya of a citizen of that country and an American, I am sure his mother would have had to apply for dual citizenship.

                • workingclass artist

                  McCain was born on a naval base which like embassies are recognized extensions of US soil. The issue is US soil. POTUS must be born on US soil ( native land )

                  • Centrocitta

                    If McCain did not spend the appropriate amount of time inside the contiguous 50 states, he could not run for president. So your theory that a military base is US soil is bullshit!

                    • tj coleman

                      ROFLAO.
                      Troll, babies are born everyday at military installations around the world. They are US SOIL! I am a veteran and know this for a fact. You can go check the constitution also. It will require you to read it though. There is a section specifically for Panama and US installations.
                      MCcain is a natural born citizen of the US and since he was on US soil the time inside the US does not apply to his case.
                      Do your research Troll!!

        • Teakwood

          info citation S. hall?

          :}

  • Ellen D

    Maybe it’s because we are Canadian but a certified copy of our Birth Certificates is a copy of the hand-written original filled out by the parents. It has a hand embossed official seal

    • Isolde

      That is what a certified copy of an original birth record recorded by a government agency looks like in the U.S. does also. This is an abstract only.

    • Acadian

      It MIGHT. It depends what province you were born in. My fiancee’s BC (issued two years ago from QC, since she needed a current copy for a passport) has no embossed seal.

  • James

    Where’s JOHN MCCAIN’S birth certificate? Has anybody actually SEEN it? He SAYS he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, but how do we actually KNOW? What if he was born just outside of it? Where was the hospital EXACTLY? Is he HIDING something that we’ve never seen his birth certificate? What is he hiding?

    Has any candidate for President besides Barack Obama ever been required to prominently and publicly display his/her birth certificate to prove they are American (particularly after they have already won the nomination)?

    The double standard wouldn’t be because he’s BLACK – now WOULD it?

    • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

      African American? No. Kenyan, yes.

    • WildChild

      McCain’s birth certificate would have been checked out when he was inducted into the military. Considering that he was inducted before computers he most likely had the original or a photostatic copy of the original. Your asking us to simply trust that BOBO was born when and where he said he was. We’d like to see the guys birth certificate if that’s not too much to ask.

      • Where’s The Tape?

        Hey stupud… Obama’s birth certificate would have been checked out when he ran for public office in Illinois. Nice try but no cigar. You sure are on fine Inspector Gadget, aren’t you?

        *snicker*

        • Amalia

          did you follow the election in Illinois? they checked out almost
          nothing except divorce records for candidates.

        • WildChild

          Inspector gadget ? no. But I can read and the Illinois candidate guide doesn’t say you have to show a birth certificate to run. It’s doesn’t even say to have to show up in person to file your paperwork. You can get somebody to hand in the paperwork in your place.

          • elise

            That’s because you don’t have to be an American citizen to serve in a state senate or in the US senate. It is only required for a president.

            • WildChild

              Guess again sweety, and aren’t you BOBOweenies supposed to be the edumacated ones?

              OFFICE: UNITED STATES SENATOR
              MINIMUM AGE: 30 years
              RESIDENCY: United States citizen for nine years. Inhabitant of Illinois at the time of theelection. (U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 3)

              OFFICE: GENERAL ASSEMBLY
              STATE SENATOR and STATE REPRESENTATIVE
              MINIMUM AGE: 21 years
              RESIDENCY: United States Citizen and a resident of the district for two years preceding the
              election.

        • Anee

          This ‘document’ is a fake, he was not born BHO, that is not his real name.

          • Acadian

            PROVE IT.

            • Anee

              Read the book, he wrote it himself, so unless you are calling your messiah a liar, he proved it himself.

            • Teakwood

              Oy vey..if you master has a any “faith” then just show us next version the “real” fake BC ok?

              And just maybe the printer firmware rev will be correct.

        • vicsmith

          don’t quit your day job

    • Mary

      Oh waaaaah waaaaah waaaaaah.

    • yttik

      What double standard?? Did you miss the whole Mccain isn’t “natural born” controversy going on since 2000? Is McCain black too? Yes McCain produced his birth certificate, hired a team of lawyers, and once again consulted with them a few months ago.

      Did you miss the bill Obama co-sponsored declaring McCain a natural born citizen for the purpose of the presidency? Would such a bill have been necessary if McCain hadn’t already faced these same questions?

      You cry racism way too much.

    • Where’s The Tape?

      James, you are absolutely 100% RIGHT! These idiots in Larry Johnson’s echo chamber are stone-cold tone deaf. Jesus Christ could hand deliver a copy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate and they STILL wouldn’t believe it. NO OTHER Presidential candidate has EVER had to endure this bullshit, and it’s sickening that it’s coming from so-called Democrats (actually, they’re most likely Republicans pretending to be Democrats!).

      What I find most curious, too, is that they even need proof that he’s an American citizen. How did he get elected to the Senate if he wasn’t a citizen? It couldn’t happen, but don’t tell these morons that!

      And what about John McCain? Is he REALLY an American? Why don’t they clamor to see his birth certificate, too? I think you hit the nail on the head: good ol’ fashioned racism. No, none of these trolls can fathom that a Black man just might be one of them. I wonder what they’re afraid of, but then again the answer is just as obvious: white decline. Gimme a freakin’ break!

      PS: Larry Johnson… you are a pathetic piece of shit! You DO NOT deserve to be called an American! You and your hate-filled, fear-mongering, lying pathetic ass and the uneducated, spiteful, overly emotional heaps who support you deserve a one-way trip to Gitmo. You all are an absolute embarrassment to this country! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!

      • tampagurl

        After reading your rant….I believe you are the uneducated, spiteful, overly emotional jerk on this blog.

        • Where’s The Tape?

          Takes one to know one, doesn’t it tampagurl?

          • WildChild

            The scary thing is that you BOBOweenies really don’t care if your beloved is a natural born citizen. You love BOBO so much you’d crunch up the US Constitution to get him elected

            • This Is Nonsense

              We do care if Obama is a natural born citizen. However, it is quite evident that no matter what “proof” is put forward, there are people out there like the ones who troll this site who will never believe it. There is no way he would even be in the Senate if he wasn’t a US citizen. Think about it!

              Also, it’s pretty funny that you should mention “crunching up the Constitution”. Your answer to Hillary — John McCain — is ready to follow Bush’s lead and throw away the Constitution for enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay. He’s pretty upset over the SC’s decision today to allow them to have a real trial. How long before he wants to throw “regular” Americans under the bus and trash our rights? Oh wait… it’s already happening since it’s okay for the government to spy on “regular” Americans and McCain supports that.

              I don’t even know why I’m wasting my breath on you, but it really is a tragedy that some people can be so blinded by their own vindictiveness and hate that they can’t see the truth. No one says that you have to vote for Obama, but you don’t have to lie in order to justify it.

              • WildChild

                It isn’t an issue of whatever proof. The daily KOS isn’t an agent of record. Now should BOBO put this document up on his own campaign website then it might be taken seriously but until BOBO is willing to put the matter rest, it won’t rest. To give it the rest you so desperately need we’d like to see an original birth certificate or a notarized copy of the original. It’s really just that simple.

      • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Medusa

        I thought he was jesus christ?

      • Dave_Not_For_Obama

        Where’s The Tape?,

        Your ill informed rant serves no purpose, I’m surprised you held back the CAPS, lol.

        The point is that this IS NOT an official documented COMPLETE Birth Certificate, it’s a short form used for court proceedings, which in itself is minimum requirement for such.

        The question is why did Obama not release a FULLY DOCUMENTED copy of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate?

        This is not hocus pocus, it’s a simple concept, release the whole freak’in thing, unless of course Obama has something to hide, lol.

        Now what part of that does not sink into your thick skull? Where do these people come from, my god, dumber than a sack of hammers.

      • elise

        I respectfully have to disagree. It is not necessary to be a natural citizen of the US to serve in the senate. That is only required for the office of president.

        The Ca. Governor is not a citizen and the late Sen. Lantos, Holocaust survivor, was born in Poland.

        Presidential candidates should be required to answer all serious questions. Sen. Obama has been given a pass on too much and the only thing used as a reference are books he wrote himself.

        I would like to know, for example, why he says he will not release his tax returns. So far the only thing we have seen are for the years he has been in the US Senate, but nothing for previous years. Sen. Clinton’s returns are public from 1976-2007.

        I would also like to know if you think a white, freshman senator with close connections to criminals, should be asked to explain those relationships. Sen. Obama can not make it through the convention and the general election by using racism charge against Americans who want to know about someone who would be president.

        He and his wife are well educated, wealthy and he is close to the Democratic nomination for president. Charges of racism seem superfluous under those circumstances.

    • s. hall

      James — McCain proved that he was born on a military base and that his parents were both Americans — Now why doesn’t Obama prove the same thing. Perhaps because its a pack of lies and he was born in Kenya.

      • Ridiculous

        What proof do YOU have that he was born in Kenya? Pulling lies out of your ass doesn’t count.

        • Andy

          If he wants to be POTUS it is a constitutional requirement he be a US born citizen.

          Why should you believe anyone is? Let’s see: are you? Am I?

          You have no clue but neither you nor I matter because we are not seeking the US Presidency. Get it?

          Don’t be sooooo Ridiculous please.

        • TI

          Two can play that game. What proof do you have that he wasn’t born in Kenya? Have you seen the original birth certificate? Pulling lies out of your ass doesn’t count.

      • mimi

        I am an ardent Hillary supporter. But I have to agree, I’d also like for you to tell us where you got your info about him being born in Kenya as well as the info about Obama saying derogartory things about AAs on video. I really would like to know this and I’ve asked before.

        Thank you

    • fly

      reply to James…ahhh geez..the media was all over McCains birth and birth certificate..are you just now catching up sparky????????

      ahhh you trolls get dumber by the freaking day!

      go away you idiot!

      fly

    • workingclass artist

      This issue has come up before earlier in the 20th c as there were candidates born in territories before they achieved state status…It wa decided then tat because these territories had applied for state status and were then US territories that the requirement was met. This is not racial with regard to Obama as the question was raised with McCain.McCain was born on a Naval base in a US Military hospital. US Miltary bases and embassies are recognized as extensions of US SOIL…So the requirement was met for McCain. McCain was born on US SOIL according to the law.

    • Jon

      Amen. Politics can never be about issues can it. So many dems put down the Republicans for their smear campains and now here they are doing the same to Barack. I love the nicknames and curse words by the way. The second I see those I stop reading the comment. Way to live your life as a mature adult.

    • NoBama

      MCain has shown his birth certificate. it was hand written like many then at his time of birth.

  • Minina

    yeah…sorry OB followers. This certificate looks like a fake. Go ask your master what exactly it is he’s hiding and why.

    I personally don’t think that the contents of the BC will be a big deal at the end, when OB finally releases the real copy. But by refusing to release the darned BC, he’s just fueling more speculation about what his real place of birth may be. Is this a campaign strategy along the lines of the race memo? Another bait to throw at his opponents so he can cry racism again?

  • mcnor

    I believe that you would have an attending physician signature with an area that reads something similar to:
    I hereby certify that I attended the birth of this child who was born (alive or stillborn)on above date at _______am or pm. There would also be an area for multiple births, etc.
    Possibly it would have the question about treatment of eyes with silver nitrate 1/2% solution if that was required by law. Everyone gets it due to syphillis.
    It would also have a registration number, and maybe a state office listing.
    It would have gone to details about each parent, occupation, color, age, and their birthplace.
    By law the delivery person or physician must sign the birth certificate record. That is the law.

    • No fan of Obama

      Nope you don’t have that in most states.

      • claribel borden

        Wow, really, which states?

        • mcnor

          The 57th, of course! Sorry, I could not resist.

        • No fan of Obama

          My State for one and some states around mine…

      • mcnor

        It is the law to sign a certificate just as you would have to on a death certificate. Checked with a physician.

        • No fan of Obama

          NO it’s not a federal law because that’s a state jurisdiction, and in most states you don’t need it because not every child is born in a hospital with a doctor in attendance.

          Death Certificates don’t follow federal law either, it also falls under state law. And each and every state is different.

          • Andy

            I doubt you can get a US Passport then.

            • Andy

              The first time around ( you can always renew w/ an old passport).
              you have to send THE ORIGINAL BIRTH certificate.
              And that one better have lots of seals and signatures.

              • WildChild

                It depends when BOBO got his passport. It was a lot easier to get official documents back when he was a kid. He went over seas as a child. He might have gotten his first passport when he was just a child. His moms word might have been good enough for him to be claimed a citizen.

                • Teakwood

                  No you still needed a valid BC for the Passport. US that is.

          • mcnor

            At some point, someone must sign this legal document.
            Oh, but wait the plastic Jeezuz was born in a manger.
            He doesn’t need one.

      • Isolde

        Birth records are made for the Dept of Health Bureau of Vital Statistics, it requires a medical signature because they are also health records just like a death certificate.

  • rwc

    It has NONE OF THE PERTINENT INFORMATION that a real BC has.

    How can Oblowme even say its even a copy of his BC is nothing short of a joke.

    Oblowme has to be hiding something to put out a obvious fake like this.

    P.S. try showing a BC like that to a DISCO agent for a security clearance and you get laughed at.

  • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Medusa

    OT but WTF?
    From Politico
    June 12, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    Obama moves DNC operations to Chicago
    In a major shakeup at the Democratic National Committee — and a departure from tradition — large parts of the committee’s operations are relocating to Chicago to be fully integrated with the Obama campaign.

    The DNC’s political department, housed in Washington, D.C., will be dramatically rebuilt, with staffers offered a choice of moving to Chicago, joining state operations, or staying in Washington, DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney said.

    But the power will clearly be shifting to a centralized Chicago hub.

    The DNC’s key role in coordinating political operations with state parties is expected to largely be taken over and overseen by Obama’s senior staff in Chicago, state party officials said.

    “This is part of the implementation of the plans Paul [Tewes] discussed last week with the state party chairs,” Finney said. “As part of the efforts to fully integrate DNC operations with the Obama campaign here in Washington, in Chicago and in the states, political, field and constituency operations are moving to Chicago to work in the Obama headquarters. The goal is to consolidate these efforts into one operation and effectively drive one national strategy.”

    People familiar with the plan said that state party staffers paid for under Howard Dean’s 50 State Program would be shifted to working for the presidential campaign, at least in targeted battleground states.

    The move reflects Obama’s desire to maintain an unusually streamlined campaign, as well as his swift and complete takeover of a Democratic Party that isn’t always known for its unity. The move may also save the campaign money, as the Obama campaign can use DNC salaries and staff to pay for elements of its organizing campaign and avoid some of the duplication that has often dogged presidential efforts.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_moves_DNC_operations_to_Chicago.html

    • ritamary

      Is this creepy or what? Has this ever happened before? The DNC merges with a politician’s campaign?

      • s. hall

        ritamary — this has never happened before. Obama now owns the Democratic Party and he has decided who can and cannot be a Democrat. Obama and his mob have destroyed this country and split the Democratic Party. Obama is a potential Dictator and once in he will never leave he has said so himself. This is VERRRRRRRY BAD

      • fly

        Ritamary..are you in VA?
        i have a cousin Rita mary!!

        lol

        fly

    • Andy

      The move reflects Obama’s desire to maintain an unusually streamlined campaign, as well as his swift and complete takeover of a Democratic Party that isn’t always known for its unity.

      The move reflects Axelrat’s consolidation of power; as I always say:

      This is the (ex)change the morons have been waiting for: Chicago Politics !!

      Out with DC; in with Chicago: Obaminacs: hold on to your wallets with your life because heeere comes Daley !!

    • TI

      Obama moves DNC operations to Chicago
      In a major shakeup at the Democratic National Committee — and a departure from tradition — large parts of the committee’s operations are relocating to Chicago to be fully integrated with the CHICAGO MACHINE.

      • Andy

        The DNC now stands for the

        DALEY NATIONAL COMMITTEE

    • mr. natural

      He’s already told his supporters, via the conduit of Billionaire Campaign Finance Chair Penny Pritzker, to donate nothing to the 527′s or Move-On.org.

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10315.html

      “From the beginning of this race Obama has told supporters that if they want to help his effort, they should do so through his campaign,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton, who confirmed that Pritzker has told donors not to give to the groups. “And he means exactly what he says.”

      Barack Hussein Obama: An American Mugabe.

  • CB

    Shouldn’t it have the baby’s footprint on it?

    Were Obama, Sr. and Stanley married in spite of Obama’s father already having a wife and children in Kenya?

    Was there a registration in Kenya, too? I doubt that since Obama’s father didn’t seem to care much about the son he fathered as an exchange student. He abandoned him. When some U. of Hawaii students who knew Obama, Sr. as an exchange student visited him in Kenya years later, he never enquired after his son or his mother.

    Odd man.

    Is narcissism inherited?

  • Elizabeth

    Has there been any follow up to why the passport records were violated? Cover up, etc.? Just watching and wondering.

    • elise

      The man, I think his name is Bremmer, who owns the company responsible for making the passports is a senior advisor for Obama’s campaign. It was someone from his company who accidentally(?) invaded the files for Obama, Clinton and McCain.

      In Rezko’s trial (in Chicago) the prosecutors presented evidence Rezko had contacted “officials” about a visa for Nadhim Auchi. Auchi lives in London now, but he was tried and convicted of fraud in the UN Oil For Food program in Iraq. He had been refused permission to enter the US.

  • cb

    Guys, you won’t believe this–but I think I heard a rumor that Hillary now supports Obama……?

    • WildChild

      Yes, we’re quit confident that if the situation were reversed you BOBO weenies would have mindlessly followed BOB where ever he took you.

      • Ridiculous

        And because the situtation ISN’T reversed, that gives you carte blache to make up ridiculous rumors and tell outright lies? You are so petty and small. Hillarcy Clinton is probably ashamed to have people like you support her. You rabid dogs do nothing but ruin her reputation.

        By the way, if you THINK Obama supporters are just going to roll over and let you get away with this shit, you’ve got another thing coming. It’s obvious that it’s too late for YOU and others like you, but there’s no way in hell we’re going to let thiss smear campaign go unchallenged. No way in hell…

        • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

          Is that a threat?

          • Where’s The Tape?

            Nope, it’s a promise.

            • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

              More empty promises from Obama and his minions.

            • Tom K.

              What are you, A 12 year old? What are you going to do next? Steal our lunch money?

        • drkate

          roflamo. You really do reflect your name! Of course, sweetie, we expect you to defend your guy. Now here’s your chance, and what do you do? Call names. Accuse people of being you (ridiculous). Don’t have any substance to offer? No defense of your candidate other than name calling?

          See, until you come up with something, your comments are useless. Go ahead and waste your time here–time you should be doing helping your candidate.

          Here, you’re just embarassing him.

          • Jon

            Are you seriously getting on him for “name calling” when his post is surrounded by posts calling Barack names? Awesome. Keep up the good work.

        • TI

          Ridiculous: WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE ON THIS SITE STARTING TROUBLE?

        • Andy

          Wait wait that I stop trembling….

          Okay, now.

          LOL at you, Ridiculous you are indeed.

        • WildChild

          Out right lies? You mean like the one where you BOBO Boys were coming out by the thousands to say Hillary wanted BOBO murdered? NAH , this isn’t anything like that. All your boy BOBO has to do is present a real birth certificate and he can go on about his business.

          • Obama Troll

            Oh please. The dead-enders will just move on to the next lie, even as one has been debunked. To make matters worse, you all will continue to follow Larry into the pits of hell just for your petty vendettas. Get over it: Hillary lost fair and square. Obama is the nominee and there isn’t anything you can do about it. If you want to vote for McCain, that is your right, but please don’t call this farce of a website an “education.” Everyone knows it’s a lie and they are laughing at you. This site is the laughingstock of the Internet. It’s not hard to see why.

            • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

              Right,we will move on to the next Obama manufactured propaganda piece. His half-truths and untruths and flip flops, it’s hard to keep it all straight. There’s just so much to work with.
              If this site is such a laughingstock why are you posting on it, to boost your credibility?

              • karen for Clinton

                The laughing stocks of the internet are Huffypuffy and Daily Krap cannon.

            • WildChild

              I’ll be more than Happy to “get over it ” as you say suggest after BOBO shows us his original birth certificate or a copy of the original. LOL now if you get to a scampering first thing tomorrow you we could have this wrapped up by Monday.

            • http://deleted AnninCa

              And yet, you are here. *haha

            • elise

              Excuse me, but I have to disagree again. Obama is the presumptive nominee. Hillary has released her delegates, but they have the right to vote for her and if they do, Obama will not win the first round because superdelegates cannot vote until the second round.

              I don’t know what kind of pressure they are using, but I know they cannot force the pledged delegates to give up their vote. The DNC would like a vote by acclimation on the first round of voting and what do you want to bet they won’t get it?

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Oh good, annoyed? Huffpo did all year to Hillary.

        • Dave_Not_For_Obama

          By the way, if you THINK Obama supporters are just going to roll over and let you get away with this shit, you’ve got another thing coming. It’s obvious that it’s too late for YOU and others like you, but there’s no way in hell we’re going to let thiss smear campaign go unchallenged. No way in hell…

          I think your roots are showing, you spelled “this” with two ss’s, you know as in ss, lol. I wish you would send your glorious leader over here, I would love to have an hour in the debating ring with him. He is too scared I’m sure, better to send the brown shirts to deflect for him, your such a loyal follower, it’s sad to watch how you humiliate yourself.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            He apparently is scared of McCain! Won’t do the town hall meetings.

            What a dippy guy.

        • The Real Hope

          What are you going to do Ridiculous? Are you going to attack us in some way? Are you threatening us? You sound a bit mental.

        • Teakwood

          if you THINK Obama supporters are just going to roll over and let you get away with this shit, you’ve got another thing coming.

          Just like your action at the caucuses?

  • James

    It IS nice to see so-called Democrats imitate the “Swift-Boat Veterans for Truth.” Obviously, those scum are your heroes.

    • Mary

      Aren’t you the one trashing McCain’s wife on the other thread?

      Physician, heal thyself.

    • WildChild

      WOW you must have spent the last few days in conference to come up with that one.

    • s. hall

      james — just because you’re excited over someone who has no principles doesn’t mean the rest of us have to follow.

    • drkate

      hardly. the swift boat veterans for truth were lying. The questions raised here are legitimate, and Obama is going to need to address them especially as we actively inform the public about him.

      He may behave like his mentor, John Kerry, and just ignore these things. Let’s see how far that gets obambi.

    • Obama_is_a_TROLL

      Hey James: your comment should be directed to that Orange Trash site: they are the one propagating this by posting a BC that who knows where the hell they got it from. …. Where did they get this from and WHY are they posting something it is not officially released from BO campaign ??

      Does DKos wish to trash BO ?

      Why are they doing this ? Why?

  • Ellen D

    No it wouldn’t be because he is black – it’s because he is a liar. John McCain’s was thoroughly investigated in a previous campaign and his status certified by Congress.

  • cb

    Maybe Obama will produce the “real” certificate Monday at 0900 hours?

  • DJ

    I go this to a simple post on a hillary web site…all I said was “VOTE MCCAIN”…here is the intelligent reply I got!!!

    Message:
    all of you clinton supporters jumping to mccain make me sick. if he’s elected and roe vs. wade is overturned all of you women who voted for him (who normally would have voted democratic) can’t complain, because you voted for it. when we go to iran and more innocent people die you can’t complain, because you voted for it. and on the “unfair” treatment of clinton during the campaign – she is the one who started the obama is a muslim rumor, it was her campaign that darkened those pictures of him to make him appear blacker than he really is. and why didn’t any of you same people complain about the unfair way that bill treated her? to make her go out and lie about him having an affair when he really was having an affair is disgusting. and the fact that you people ignore that is truly scary. go ahead and drink your kool-aid, but when this country (and the world for that matter) go to shit because you elected john mccain just remember – you can’t complain because you voted for it.

    • WildChild

      Ever notice how the BOBO boys use the politics of fear to try to win you back?

    • s. hall

      DJ — Obama got me to change my party and I hope to hell he loses. I know who McCain is and he has my vote. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    • TI

      McCain has my vote too!

      • Anee

        McCain until BO goes away.

      • so saddened

        me too.

    • elise

      I have given a lot of thought to Roe in the last few weeks and there are probably a lot of other women who are weighing that argument.

      The ruling came in 1973 when Richard Nixon was president after the feminist movement began. Every election cycle it has been exploited by politicians of both parties to influence voters.

      The person who responded to your comment is a disgusting piece of trash. He/she, on the one hand, uses the threat of losing the right of women to make a decision about their own bodies and on the other hand displays a disregard of a woman’s right to make a decision about her marriage and continues to spew the sexist garbage we have all heard for over a year now.

      Women’s groups who claim to have a mission to help women in political campaigns and preserve their right to self respect and equality have been silent on the campaign of destruction against Hillary Clinton. They claim to be looking at the bigger picture and have ignored the reality of what this campaign has done to undermine the very thing they say they are protecting.

      I have never in my life felt the rage I feel now and it won’t go away. If you have no expectation, it doesn’t hurt when you realize you have been let down, But I believed in the Democratic Party and I will not forgive them. Women make up 52% of the population of this country and have been the base of support for years for a party we believed best represented our interests and they have spit in our faces and in the face of a woman who has dedicated her life to the protection of womens rights and the true ideals of the Party

      I will offer no apologies for not supporting the cantidate they have chosen because I don’t believe anymore. When someone writes the kind of trash this person wrote, they do not deserve a reply and to the others who would try to win my vote I say, go to hell.

  • fred

    NO DEAL: Hillary Clinton’s Not for Sale-Help Retire Her Debt
    Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpwYu_-2jQw

    • Andy

      Thanks fred !!

      That’s great : NO DEAL INDEED !!

      Hillary Clinton’s Not for Sale –> Help Retire Her Debt

  • beachnan

    Grow up. Of course it has nothing to do with him being black. It has everything to do with him being unqualified. I agree, let’s check out John McCain and BO’s certificate, and we find out they are both ineligible, we will end up with the most qualified candidate-Hillary Clinton.

  • Michael

    It is what is called a “short form”. Do your homework.

    http://www.birthrecord.eu/birth_certificate_en.html

    “Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a “Certification of Birth” or “Certificate of Birth Registration”. The short form typically includes the child’s name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child’s parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels.

    I don’t think he’s hiding anything. I think you’re looking for something that isn’t there to spread fear. Do you really think this would be the smoking gun? Seriously? This? Of all the things that is going to doom Obama you think it’s going to be a birth certificate? Do you honestly think that if they REALLY had a reason to hide something he would have the BEST fake documents money can buy? He has millions of dollars I’m sure if he REALLY needed to cover his ass on this one, he’d go 100% on this one?

    When you have this much on the line you don’t half-ass your cover up, ergo there is no cover up.

    It isn’t that you really think the Obama campaign is trying to pull one over on anyone, but by keeping the fear alive, your audience will be swayed.

    Do you really think millions of people would give 200 million dollars to a guy who lied about his birth? Don’t you think they’d check that first? Grand conspiracies theories are always just that. Theories. That. Never. Pan. Out.

    Cheers and keep on spreading the silliness, it makes you look desperate.

    • Andy

      Why is DKos putting this out ?

    • WildChild

      I think BOBO has enough money in his war chest to afford an actual copy of his birth certificate. Hell, anybody could whip up a copy of a birth certificate on CorelDraw or PageMaker

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1IHprV2ak Debbie in NC

        NOT an Original-Son-not an original!

        • WildChild

          Girl, there’s no fooling you. I say copy and you correctly respond that it’s not and original.

    • claribel borden

      But the point is he’s still hiding information, so this appears a dodge.

      Another dodge.

    • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

      You are correct about the issuance of short forms, which do contain far less information. What voters are responding to is the lack of transparency and full disclosure by a man who seeks to serve this country as POTUS.
      The speculation exists simply because he is so evasive. It is easy enough to release a copy of his original Birth Certificate. Not doing so, again, displays the attitude that he is above the questions and opinions of the average American.
      You may want to note that any kindergartener or Little League player must prove eligibility with a valid Birth Certificate, POTUS should not require a lower standard, eh?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1IHprV2ak Debbie in NC

      OF course we care about his damn birth certificate!
      I have to show mine and he has to show his-
      It is a prerequisite for eligibility to run for the President of the United States of America!
      And you kiddies should know that!
      go do your homework! silly kid!
      Man these children need to be in BED!

    • Hope Floats

      Ummm. He’s raised 300 million, and it didn’t all come from college students emptying their piggy banks.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1IHprV2ak Debbie in NC

        Think!!! It is NOT illegal yet!
        These kids are not being the campaign managers-the small o needs!
        NON

    • no waffles

      Obama should come clean, what is he afraid of? He is unnecessarily damaging himself with this. The longer he has to address this, the less time he has to campaign.

    • TI

      You said: “Do you honestly think that if they REALLY had a reason to hide something he would have the BEST fake documents money can buy?”

      You asked the question. Where is THE birth certificate with the baby’s foot prints on it and the doctors signature? If he can get anything that money can buy then where is the actual Birth Certificate? Why did he not wait until he had the actual documentation that he needs to prove his own legal birth?

    • Anee

      BHO is not his birth name, it is a name he chose later in life.

    • Dave_Not_For_Obama

      When you have this much on the line you don’t half-ass your cover up, ergo there is no cover up.

      You mean like Rezko, lol. That’s another half-azz botch job that WILL come back to bite him in the azz.

      Lets see the COMPLETE FULLY DOCUMENTED BIRTH CERTIFICATE OBAMABOTS, produce it or shut up, simple enough to understand, yes??

  • Babs

    Larry, do you know what kind of information is kept in the passport files that were breached a few months ago? Would a copy of a true birth certificate be among the files?
    I have often wondered, in my conspiracy racked brain, if that “breach” wasn’t a set-up to either remove or change something in Obama’s files.
    Just wondering……..

    • Elizabeth

      That’s what I want to know.

    • Mary

      The trip to Pakistan?

    • Brodie

      Yes, a copy of the true, long-form birth cert. IS in the passport file.

  • Andy

    Why would the Orange site would put this? Who give it to them?

    If the BO campaign did it then is this a joke? What kind of disclosure is this? Can they ever be serious?

    And if they didn’t WTH does DK think they are doing?

    Frankly I don’t believe there is an issue with him being US born citizen; I mean
    it would be a hell of a cover up not just by him but by the DNC …
    I want to believe (am i being naive?) that the USDOJ would have checked at some point???

    And if my belief is correct then why is BO playing this silly games with DKos or
    DKos playing it at all? It is stupid.

    I agree with Larry: what’s this?

    • cb

      Of course you agree with Larry! And why not? He has exhibited, time and time again, impeccable judgment upon which we all can rely. And you just can’t buy that kind of peace of mind.

      • claribel borden

        With your head so far up your ass, how can you tell, one way or the other?

        • cb

          Please don’t feed the trolls.

          • Obama_is_a_TROLL

            You are the troll cb

          • Teakwood

            You are at the wrong duck pond.

      • Andy

        Beat it troll; for all I know your IQ is 70 and brain the size of a pea.

      • Hillarysupporters4Obama

        LOL!

      • normita TX

        Ya, basta idiota! Why a copy of a photoshop BC from a Troll site???? There is no word in Spanish for Troll.

  • vinnie

    Certification of Birth??? LMAO. And the African as “race” is the best. BO’s campaign probably had an intern do the photoshop work…you know, the intern probably thinks Africa is a country so therefore his dad race must be African. And where is that state seal? That’s odd, there is none!

    • HARP

      Maybe he would like the NRA vote because he really is a son-of-gun.

      • Andy

        LOL HARP !! ;-)

  • cbmc

    PWNT

  • SadStateOfAffairs

    Don’t birth certificates have your little baby footprints on them? Mine does. Kind of looks like those certificates you get when purchasing your used car at the chop shop…I mean, used car dealership. Ha! Ha!

  • mj

    most of these obama kool aid-drinkers are young and probably don’t research the candidates and what they stand for, so, they just jump on the Obama bandwagon for “Change You Can Believe In” little do they know if they would look into all of Obama’s shady friends, they would see a guy who has sold his soul to the devil. I would totally support a black man for the POTUS. But…Obama makes my skin crawl and not because he is black (actually half)another reason he is so wierd because being half and half that’s what he should base his campaign on, that he understands both sides and that’s what would make him a “Uniter” and not a “Divider.” The Obama supporters are BLIND to the facts. Larry, I hope that your sources are creditable regarding the MO tape.I know that MO can’t keep her mouth shut regardless, so there is hope that someway she will be exposed for who she is. America…WAKE UP!!!

    • WildChild

      Sure we’ll wake up, after twenty eight years and the end the fiasco the progressive wave of hysteria took us to the abyss over.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1IHprV2ak Debbie in NC

        I’d be careful there-you may have had your limit on fool-aid there kid!
        This is NOT a game of Dungeons and Dragons!
        It’s alot worse than that…..it would scare your pants off and you wouldn’t sleep for nights!
        You are a kid and need to go to bed.

        • WildChild

          You’re kidding right? That’s really the best you enlightened types can come up with? You’re a kid and you need to go to bed? Bwah Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

  • snoopy

    Certificate came from Daily KOS .

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

    Obama’s birth certificate
    by kos

    In any case, here is Obama’s birth certificate. Click on it for a bigger version. Note, I have trimmed the edges of the scan, so before someone tries to inevitably “debunk” this based on the dimensions of a Hawaiian birth certificate, that should be noted.

    • WildChild

      How come there are no folds in it?

    • Andy

      And where the hell did DKos get this from?

      Can anyone go and get anyone’s birth certificate?

      • snoopy

        He said he asked for it, and Axelrod sent it to him….

        LOL..

        • Andy

          LOL indeed.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

          AHAHAHAHA

          Its an Orginal Axelfraud!

          BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        • Dave_Not_For_Obama

          He said he asked for it, and Axelrod sent it to him….

          LOL..</em

          Great, so I can email ax-ram and he will send little ole’ me the actual COMPLETE and FULLY DOCUMENTED version, lol. That’s some CHANGE but alas it will never happen, lol.

    • POdVet

      The debunking is courtesy of the jpeg artifacts that can be clearly seen as well as any certification that would make it legal. Had the creator added the certification, it may have made it more believable, but then he would also be subject to charges of forging federal documents, which is why it is missing. Nice try….well not really, any 12 yr old could do a more believable job and would have at least smoothed out the artifacts.

      Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
      P.U.M.A.

      • Acadian

        Scanning ANY document to JPEG will introduce artifacts. That says nothing about the authenticity of the original since JPEG is a lossy format.

        Try again, won’t you?

        • Teakwood

          Love the date on it.

  • DJ

    I have a question….is anyone on here from Hawaii? if so could they not get a copy of their own or take a copy of this won and go ask if it is legit!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1IHprV2ak Debbie in NC

      Dog the Bounty Hunter is! LOL LOL LOL
      I’m sorry-these kids do that to me tho.
      While you guys keep ‘em entertained Obama is deciding which one he will kick to the curb-he is short on cash I hear!

  • Roland Blunt

    When information originally entered on a certificate is amended:, 1) a line is drawn through the incorrect entry and the correct data is inserted, 2) what information was amended and on what authority, the date of the action and the initials of the reviewer are entered on the certificate, and 3) the notation “altered” is written or stamped on the certificate.

    We will never see the original

    • claribel borden

      I’m thinking the same, we will never see the original.

    • sleepy

      I bet you don’t have a clue what Hawaiian law is relative to birth certificates, regardless of what your particular state requires.

      If you believe Hawaiian law has those procedures, why not just cite the statutes?

      • Tom K.

        Sounds like he’s sharing general principles of official recordkeeping, not Hawaii state law, dimbulb.

  • DJ

    I have a question….is anyone on here from Hawaii? if so could they not get a copy of their own or take a copy of this one and go ask if it is legit!

    • GammaSigmer

      Yes I’m from Hawaii and I have a COPY of my birth certificate for use in getting passports, etc. It looks exactly like the BO one online (but not like my misplaced original, which looked a microfilmed document with signatures).

      The Hawaii State Dept. of Health can issue this form almost immediately from their database, whereas the old style took weeks or more to get.

      In addition to the laser-printed data, there is, on the back, an embossed seal of the State of Hawaii, a stamped “I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health” with the stamped signature of the State Registrar and a stamped date of issue.

      So — this is not the form that the parents sign after a live birth at the hospital but it is a facsimile that suffices for official purposes where you need a ‘birth certificate.’

  • Amalia

    did Obama check the legacy box on
    his application for Harvard? didn’t his father go there?

  • cb

    Hey guys, I was just thinking… and I know this may sound crazy… but y’all think maybe Obama might be Satan? I mean that would explain this birth certificate thing.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0 Obama Trolls Are Idiots

      CB

      No, he is the son of satan asshole.

      Your shift is over and I heard your Warcraft buddies are calling.

      JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

      NO OBAMA/MARXIST
      HILLARY 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

  • vinnie

    DJ | 2008-06-12 22:45:47

    I think you made an obamabot cry! That note made me laugh, thanks for sharing.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1IHprV2ak Debbie in NC

      Yeah I got a little giggle myself!
      This is a HOOT!
      Keep em entertained while I take their jobs away from them.

  • sleepy

    State birth certificates vary from state to state in the information they give.

    I was born in Tennessee, and it doesn’t list the hospital or city, just the county. Other states list the hospital and/or city.

    Some states give you a copy of the original certificate. Some states give you an abstract of the original, which apparently is the procedure in Hawaii.

    In Hawaii, the abstract will get you a drivers license and constitutes proof of citizenship for employment purposes.

    Beyond all the foolishness, why is Obama the only candidate subject to scrutiny as to citizenship?

    Was Hillary really, really born in Mongolia? Was McCain really born in Sicily?

    I have yet to see proof otherwise, so until then . . . .

    • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

      I know, why did those founding fathers put “RULZ” of citizenship in the constitution? That was just stupid, Hope and Change are all that matter.

    • Andy

      McCain showed the original — when all the Panama issue came up.

      So BO should pony up: it is a constitutional requirement you know…

    • Judy

      Beyond all the foolishness, why is Obama the only candidate subject to scrutiny as to citizenship?

      He isn’t. Google “McCain birth”. This will bring up all kinds of links like the following:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

      This “double standard” accusation thing – if Obama becomes president, is this what will happen whenever Obama is criticized? If so, that would be quite an incentive to vote against him.

  • snoopy

    This DOC originated from Pro Obama site. KOZ used it to debunk the rumor of Obama’s middle name being Muhammad.

    Fake DOC used to debunk rumor .

    All the bloggers on site believed it was a the real thing , read the blogs……………

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616

    • claribel borden

      I dont give dk a second thought, it is so over run with trolls.

      Why wouldn anyone look to that site for anything?

      Obama is corrupt.

      Period.

      All the rest is bullshit, to hide the fact Obama is corrupt, and he cheats.

      So, it show their heads are already a little fucked up, even in how they see, or feel, about themselves.

      For god’s sake, they function like Iran.

  • sleepy

    Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-12 22:47:34

    McCain’s birth certificate would have been checked out when he was inducted into the military. Considering that he was inducted before computers he most likely had the original or a photostatic copy of the original. Your asking us to simply trust that BOBO was born when and where he said he was. We’d like to see the guys birth certificate if that’s not too much to ask

    But it could have been forged and altered, just like Obama’s. Let’s see the original and let the people decide.

    • WildChild

      At least were in agreement that BOBO’s birth certificate was forged or altered.

  • Madam DeFarge

    Were they using that font in the ’60′s?
    I only remember elite and prestige.
    Looks like a lot of information is blanked out.

    • sleepy

      It’s an abstract issued recently, not a document issued in 1961.

      • WildChild

        Which means anybody could have produced it.

  • Elizabeth

    What about the passport records violation???? Somebody?

  • Gypsy

    Please people, get over it! This is NOT the way to go and it never was.

    Think, think…..none of these stupid rumors are true and YOU all know it, in your hearts.

    Don’t minimize Hillary for this nonsense. This site is a lie! And, you KNOW it!

    She may yet again rise, in August. But not because of your disgusting accusations and feeble rumor mongoring.

    All you do is hurt any viable cause and it makes you look like a bunch of lunatics! THINK!

    • Elizabeth

      I think, therefore, I am.

      • jwrjr

        I am, therefore I think. And I think that Obama is as phony as a three-dollar bill.

    • sleepy

      Absolutely right.

      This whole smear goes beyond what even wingnuts dream up. In fact, the wingnut machine has even debunked it–National Review Online, particuarly.

      It ends up making Hillary supporters look foolish, and by inference, Clinton herself.

      • Elizabeth

        Kind of like, “by inference” BO to Rev. Wright?

      • Madam DeFarge

        Smear?
        Then hose it down at the Obama site.
        If you can.

      • Obama_is_a_TROLL

        sleepy:

        You need to wake up man.

  • mary

    It probably isn’t that big of a deal. I also had something similar to that from PA where I was born. It is all I had for years, but I did have to get the actual birth certificate from the state of PA before I could get a passport.

  • http://gretawire.com gretawire

    Did you notice.. when you blow it up the backwards date from O7..also there is no impressed stamped seal. I have never seen a birth certifcate that looks like this, so many things left out.

  • Tricia

    He says in speeched (not so much anymore) that his mother was on welfare. That usually occurs when mom writes father unknown if welfare received at birth. The time she was on welfare should be found out also. He said his father left when he was 2 but was with the new stepfather overseas at 4 what period did she claim welfare?

  • cb

    For more information, please visit http://www.fightthesmears.com.

    • Obama_is_a_TROLL

      YAWN….

      Do you get paid every time you post that? If you don’t you are a moron, you should…

    • karen for Clinton

      You might want to check the archived Hillary Fact Hub site for truck loads of debunked actual smears against her and the best way to counter smears.

      Of course WE know how accurate her fact-checks are since we VETTED her with alternate sources as well.

      You are all just determined to keep spreading disinformation and lies.

      I’ve never waivered in my support of Hillary or in my distrust of ob. Daily Krap is not a source of facts, it never had credibility and never will.

  • msindy

    Check out this link, he points out as does Larry that the certificate and certification are two different things. There is more information on the real certificate:

    http://www.suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/06/kos-tries-to-pa.html

    Per the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (a state agency that happens to detail the difference):

    In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

  • helen

    This is off topic.
    I got an email from newsmax. One of the stories was about Howard Dean attacking McCain for sleazy campaign tactics. This ballless wonder could not open his mouth to stand up for Hillary Clinton when his candidate and followers attacked Senator Clinton.
    Now he decides he is going to try to show some muscle.
    somehow I am not very impressed.

    • ScottVA

      LOL be careful of the Liberal sissy slaps to follow from Dean! He’s a wuss!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Republicans don’t care what Dean says. He’s a hood ornament now that Obama owns him.

      • karen for Clinton

        Last week Howie kept saying “silly” about the Johnson VP issue. Is it still silly Howie?

        Howie at first came off as merely incompetent but we now must not underestimate how devious his complicity in the coup of the party actually is.

        A secret cabal at the DNC to usurp democracy.

        Outlandish and unthinkable but evidencially true.

        Go figure. Official statements all along the flew in the face of reality and legality, the Chicago move, no roll call and release of delegates in exchange for pay off of debt. yikes.

  • Mandelay

    Don’t know if this helps or only produces more gnashing of teeth etc., or just plain amusement, but this was on the nationalreview site from June 10:

    (begin quote) “The Campaign Spot
    Jim Geraghty Reporting
    Tuesday, June 10, 2008
    BARACK OBAMA
    A Few Other Possibilities on Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate
    Already the query about Barack Obama’s birth certificate is being declared ipso facto evidence of “xenophobia” by those who see a “racist America.” Well, I did grow up in a small town…
    Hawaii’s State Department of Health explains the policy on releasing vital records here. Unless you’re a relative of Obama, your request will be denied.*

    A few readers and other bloggers have wondered aloud what information possibly could be on the birth certificate that would make it worth keeping from the public. Beyond yesterday’s (mostly unlikely) possibilities — a foreign birth, a different middle name, or a different first name at birth — there are a few others. (I have been unable to determine precisely what information was recorded on a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii in 1961; any reader insight would be appreciated. I would note that what kind of information was on other state’s certificates isn’t all that helpful.)

    Today’s standard certificate of live birth, as issued by the CDC, includes a wide variety of information.

    Some states include data on the marital status of the mother. As mentioned in the previous post, details on the marriage ceremony and legal paperwork of the marriage of Obama’s mother and father are fuzzy. (It is now clear that Obama’s father was not legally divorced from his first wife in Africa at the the time.) All things considered, the possibility that his parents weren’t married seems like small potatoes in terms of scandals — not much of a reason to vote against Obama — but perhaps Obama’s campaign doesn’t want to open that door.

    Some states record “religion” on the certificate. If Obama’s certificate said “none,” it’s hard to imagine that being a major scandal; Obama has talked about being raised in a home without much influence of organized religion. I suppose if next to where the religion it says “Muslim”, it would generate a predictable brouhaha, but it would reveal more about the beliefs of his father at that time than the candidate. It’s not like one-day-old Obama filled the form out himself.

    (Perhaps the campaign fears opening the “will the Muslim world see him as an apostate?” can of worms again. But it’s hard to see how this revelation would be a bigger deal than his attendance of a Muslim school in Indonesia, that he talks about in his book.)

    Then there is the strong possibility that the document asked for “race.” I encountered this comment in a web site detailing a research effort at the Family Health Services Division at the Hawaii State Department of Health:

    Hawaii is a very unique population. Some of this uniqueness is reflected in that the majority of all births in Hawaii can be considered multi-ethnic. The impact of this heterogeneity on outcomes is not known. The Department of Health seeks a graduate student to evaluate the birth certificate file for birth outcomes of Preterm delivery and Low birth-weight with a particular interest in changes depending on classification based on reported child’s race, compared to mother’s race, father’s race, and both the father’s and mother’s race.

    It seems likely that the certificate would record baby Obama’s race. While Obama’s biracial heritage is pretty obvious, is it possible that the certificate records him as only one or the other? Would that be enough of an embarrassment to keep the certificate sealed? Again, one would think that possibility would reflect worse of the doctor/document preparer or (perhaps) Obama’s mother, but not much of a serious gripe with the candidate.

    The only scenarios that could really be damaging to Obama himself were if he was born overseas (again, pretty darn implausible) or if he legally changed his name sometime in young adulthood. The idea that he was given some other name at birth and chose to rename himself after his father doesn’t seem unthinkable, considering his complicated relationship with his father and sense of identity…

    * UPDATE: “Mr. Vice President, it’s up to you to solve the mystery.”

    ANOTHER UPDATE: Craig, a Campaign Spot reader born in Hawaii in 1962, offers the type of information on his birth certificate:

    The ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ contains nothing that could be considered controversial. Some sample entries:

    #3. This Birth (box to check) Single, Twin, Triplet

    #9. Race of Father

    #10. Age of Father

    #11. Birthplace (of father)

    #12a Usual Occupation

    #12b. Kind of Business or Industry

    #14. Race of Mother

    #17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy

    #17b. Date Last Worked

    #18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (with check box to signify which has signed)

    The word ‘religion’ does not appear on the form in use in April 1962.
    And a reader brought up a surprisingly plausible scenario. We know that by high school, Obama was identified in yearbooks, etc., as “Barry Obama.” But we know the relationship between Obama’s parents was rocky at times (Obama describes a short article about his father, profiling the Kenyan foreign exchange student, in the Honolulu Advertiser that doesn’t mention his wife or newborn child). What if on his birth certificate he was identified by his mother’s maiden name… Barack Dunham?

    Or Barry Dunham?

    06/10 02:37 PM” (end quote)

    • Dave_Not_For_Obama

      ANOTHER UPDATE: Craig, a Campaign Spot reader born in Hawaii in 1962, offers the type of information on his birth certificate:

      The ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ contains nothing that could be considered controversial. Some sample entries:

      #3. This Birth (box to check) Single, Twin, Triplet

      #9. Race of Father

      #10. Age of Father

      #11. Birthplace (of father)

      #12a Usual Occupation

      #12b. Kind of Business or Industry

      #14. Race of Mother

      #17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy

      #17b. Date Last Worked

      #18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (with check box to signify which has signed)

      The word ‘religion’ does not appear on the form in use in April 1962.

      Well well well, what have the Obamabots to say now, lol. Seems to me what Obama tried to pass off as a BC does not JIVE with the above, lol. Shame shame shame.

  • TimRussertIsATwit!!!

    Rules are rules! If he can’t produce a valid birth certificate he should be forced to drop out of the race! I’m sure Donna Brazille would agree!

    • ScottVA

      LOL yeah cause her momma said so… :-)

  • Jim
  • http://gretawire.com gretawire

    A Few Other Possibilities on Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate

    Already the query about Barack Obama’s birth certificate is being declared ipso facto evidence of “xenophobia” by those who see a “racist America.” Well, I did grow up in a small town…

    Hawaii’s State Department of Health explains the policy on releasing vital records here. Unless you’re a relative of Obama, your request will be denied.*

    A few readers and other bloggers have wondered aloud what information possibly could be on the birth certificate that would make it worth keeping from the public. Beyond yesterday’s (mostly unlikely) possibilities — a foreign birth, a different middle name, or a different first name at birth — there are a few others. (I have been unable to determine precisely what information was recorded on a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii in 1961; any reader insight would be appreciated. I would note that what kind of information was on other state’s certificates isn’t all that helpful.)

    Today’s standard certificate of live birth, as issued by the CDC, includes a wide variety of information.

    Some states include data on the marital status of the mother. As mentioned in the previous post, details on the marriage ceremony and legal paperwork of the marriage of Obama’s mother and father are fuzzy. (It is now clear that Obama’s father was not legally divorced from his first wife in Africa at the the time.) All things considered, the possibility that his parents weren’t married seems like small potatoes in terms of scandals — not much of a reason to vote against Obama — but perhaps Obama’s campaign doesn’t want to open that door.

    Some states record “religion” on the certificate. If Obama’s certificate said “none,” it’s hard to imagine that being a major scandal; Obama has talked about being raised in a home without much influence of organized religion. I suppose if next to where the religion it says “Muslim”, it would generate a predictable brouhaha, but it would reveal more about the beliefs of his father at that time than the candidate. It’s not like one-day-old Obama filled the form out himself.

    (Perhaps the campaign fears opening the “will the Muslim world see him as an apostate?” can of worms again. But it’s hard to see how this revelation would be a bigger deal than his attendance of a Muslim school in Indonesia, that he talks about in his book.)

    Then there is the strong possibility that the document asked for “race.” I encountered this comment in a web site detailing a research effort at the Family Health Services Division at the Hawaii State Department of Health:

    Hawaii is a very unique population. Some of this uniqueness is reflected in that the majority of all births in Hawaii can be considered multi-ethnic. The impact of this heterogeneity on outcomes is not known. The Department of Health seeks a graduate student to evaluate the birth certificate file for birth outcomes of Preterm delivery and Low birth-weight with a particular interest in changes depending on classification based on reported child’s race, compared to mother’s race, father’s race, and both the father’s and mother’s race.

    It seems likely that the certificate would record baby Obama’s race. While Obama’s biracial heritage is pretty obvious, is it possible that the certificate records him as only one or the other? Would that be enough of an embarrassment to keep the certificate sealed? Again, one would think that possibility would reflect worse of the doctor/document preparer or (perhaps) Obama’s mother, but not much of a serious gripe with the candidate.

    The only scenarios that could really be damaging to Obama himself were if he was born overseas (again, pretty darn implausible) or if he legally changed his name sometime in young adulthood. The idea that he was given some other name at birth and chose to rename himself after his father doesn’t seem unthinkable, considering his complicated relationship with his father and sense of identity…

    * UPDATE: “Mr. Vice President, it’s up to you to solve the mystery.”

    ANOTHER UPDATE: Craig, a Campaign Spot reader born in Hawaii in 1962, offers the type of information on his birth certificate:

    The ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ contains nothing that could be considered controversial. Some sample entries:

    #3. This Birth (box to check) Single, Twin, Triplet

    #9. Race of Father

    #10. Age of Father

    #11. Birthplace (of father)

    #12a Usual Occupation

    #12b. Kind of Business or Industry

    #14. Race of Mother

    #17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy

    #17b. Date Last Worked

    #18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (with check box to signify which has signed)

    The word ‘religion’ does not appear on the form in use in April 1962.
    And a reader brought up a surprisingly plausible scenario. We know that by high school, Obama was identified in yearbooks, etc., as “Barry Obama.” But we know the relationship between Obama’s parents was rocky at times (Obama describes a short article about his father, profiling the Kenyan foreign exchange student, in the Honolulu Advertiser that doesn’t mention his wife or newborn child). What if on his birth certificate he was identified by his mother’s maiden name… Barack Dunham?

    Or Barry Dunham?

    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDJhNmI5MDIwMjYwMDI3ZTE5NjQ1YmYyOWM3Nzc1Mzk=

    • Anee

      Finally some common sense, he only went by BO in his later years, he wasn’t born BHO. Its in his book.

    • Mary

      Since there has been no marriage certificate found for his mom and dad, it is QUITE possible that he went by the name of Durham instead.

  • ScottVA

    I’ve a Pennsylvania birth certificate that is very similar to the one he produces…. same info, etc! HOWEVER, mine has a State Seal raised over the signature of the Secretary of State – PA

    • karen for Clinton

      Same here. My birth certificate was suddenly discovered to be missing in 1971 when my family made a european vacation plan and I applied for a passport. We went to the town of my birth and ordered a certification of birth. We were given a temporary form since it took 2 weeks for them to process the legal replacement.

      It has very little info and is nothing like my lost NY original. The new certificate was issued by the Dept. of Health State of NY.

      What it does have is:

      a large raised SEAL on it.

      the district number and registered number.

      my name, sex, DOB, town of birth, county, and the date the original birth record was filed (3 days after my DOB)

      It is SIGNED by the Registrar of Vital Statistics.

      On the back it states the seal must be impressed for it to be valid for Citizenship of passport app.

  • cb
    • claribel borden

      So much fun busting your weak assed troll.

  • Hawaiian4Hillary

    I am a staunch Hillary supporter, do not plan to vote for Obama, and am originally from Hawaii. The document he provided as proof is exactly what I have from the state of HI as proof of my birth in that state. I used to have a copy of a certificate of live birth that was signed by both my parents, the Dr. that delivered me and the notary, and indicated what my parents did for a living, what their ethnicity was, weight, length, etc. But that wore out, so I got one of these. Hawaii has probably moved away from microfiche and is now fully computerized, and this is what is now generated as a certificed copy of your birth certificate. I don’t see anything at all wrong with Obama’s proof of birth, it looks just like mine.

    • snoopy

      Why would they list his race as african?.

      • annie

        Exactly! “African” is not a race. I wonder what his real cert. says. Does it list him as “caucasian”? What is he afraid of? The African thing looks really fake.

    • Andy

      No seal? No signature?

      Sorry, but you cannot get a passport with that (if you don’t have one).

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      Wrong, the Hawaii DOH keeps the all the original Certificates of Birth, even after ammendments such as name changes, gender changes, are made.

      This document is a “Late” Certificate of Birth, requested and recorded years after the actual birth.

    • maria

      Why, you don’t believe Larry? You must be a muslim too.

  • NJ P.U.M.A.

    Everything else about Obama’s “presidential” image is false, so why shouldn’t his BC be bogus, too? In all fairness, though, I submitted a similar document from NJ (b. 1965) when I applied for a passport in 1991, and I had to get my actual BC from the state to process the passport. And under my mother’s info., the word IRISH was typed in for race, instead of white or caucasian (she was born in Northern Ireland, no less).

    Either way, Obama sucks for A LOT of legitimate reasons outside of his BC. You’ll never get the truth from the Obama camp anyway.

  • Linda

    UnbeLIEvable. Can he not spin and dance around one friggin’ important issue?

    This is of utmost importance. And the fact is, he is, AGAIN, not provividing the correct document to put this story to end.

    Is this guy and idiot or what? Everything is based on manufactured marketing, never able to address real issues.

    However, I was born in Pennsylvania and mine reads “Certification of Birth”.

    The only original piece of paper I had wa called a “Notification of Birth”, stating, “This certifies that, A Certificate of Birth has been file with the State office…., when requesting a copy of my birth certificate from Pennsylvania, they sent, “Certification of Birth”

    date of birth, name, file number, county, date filed, sex and date this certificate was issued. That’s it.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      I just think Barky doesn’t think he has to answer anybody’s questions. He is, after all, above everyone else.

    • Ray

      Birth certificates in the United States
      In the U.S., the keeping of vital statistics is a state function, because it is not a power assigned by the Constitution to the federal government (under the Tenth Amendment, all powers not given to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people), and yet the federal government is extremely dependent upon this state function it lacks direct jurisdiction over, because the Fourteenth Amendment expressly grounds American citizenship upon birth in the United States (a jus soli system of citizenship).

      Therefore, the federal and state governments have traditionally cooperated, to some extent, to improve vital statistics. From 1900 to 1946 the U.S. Census Bureau designed standard birth certificates, collected vital statistics on a national basis, and generally sought to improve the accuracy of vital statistics. In 1946 that responsibility was passed to the U.S. Public Health Service. Unlike the British system of recording all births in “registers”, the states file an individual document for each and every birth. In most states, this document was, and still is, entitled a “Certificate of Live Birth”.[4][5]

      In the U.S., the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics creates standard forms that are recommended for use by the individual states to document births. However, states are free to create their own forms.[6] As a result, neither the appearance of nor the information within birth certificates across different states is uniform. In fact, many states currently do not produce “long form” birth certificates and other states never have. These “forms” are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues certified copies when requested
      Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as “Certification of Birth”, “Certification of Live Birth”, or “Certificate of Birth Registration”. The short form typically includes the child’s name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child’s parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Uh, Ray, if that is your name–did you take a look at the date of this thread at the top of the page? You might try posting on something a bit more current–like one from say, last month.

  • Tricia

    The records in Utah are amazing they have a center downtown that is five floors it is amazing if you want to trace your family records.

    http://www.familysearch.org/

    I had my family records from PA in no time.

  • jdc1130

    FWIW-
    Public info for Ann Dunham:

    Name: Stanley A. Dunham
    SSN: 535-40-8522
    Last Residence: 96826 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
    Born: 29 Nov 1942
    Died: 7 Nov 1995
    State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (1959-1960 )

    Couldn’t find any info for “Barack Obama”

    • Annie

      FWIW-
      Public info for Ann Dunham:

      Name: Stanley A. Dunham
      SSN: 535-40-8522
      Last Residence: 96826 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
      Born: 29 Nov 1942
      Died: 7 Nov 1995
      State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (1959-1960 )

      Couldn’t find any info for “Barack Obama”
      =========================================

      Stanley Ann Dunham aka Barack’s Mom died in Kenya. There doesn’t appear to be a marriage record in Hawaii – perhaps there is one in Kenya as it is legal to have more than one wife there.

      It feels like we are in the twilight zone. America is going to bring us another Bush.

      • Mary

        Is it possible that Barak’s parents weren’t really married at all, and that is what he’s hiding?

        I wouldn’t care in the least if that’s true. Wouldn’t bother me at all.

        But given that she never told him the truth about his Dad already having a wife in Kenya (he didn’t know until he was in his 20′s) , is it possible she didn’t tell him they were never married at all, to save face for his self-esteem?

      • Ray

        Where was his mom born? Kansas right? Then why did you post a Washington state social? get a clue.

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      My guess, he was born Barry whatever and converted to Islam (his daddy’s religon) and became Barrack Obama during his misspent youth but now realizes that this won’t play well with middle Americans so he must hide all evidence. I was a Buddhist for a short time in my youth, but I couldn’t give up a good filet….rare…with a nice Bombay martini. Emmmmmmm.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        I was a Buddhist for a short time in my youth, but I couldn’t give up a good filet….rare

        That would do it for me too!

      • Teakwood

        The meat eating Taoist club eh?

  • Gypsy

    I don’t know who you are “sleepy” but thank you. Why don’t they get it? They’re still talking about birth certificates……………

    Why did I think I could get through to someone?

    Bye folks, good luck. Way to trash all Hillary voters with your “whoa, did we really land on the moon and is the earth REALLY round?”

    THINK!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

  • Hillarysupporters4Obama

    Hey Larry,
    Was that a blank tape I saw in your pocket at 9:00 AM this morning, or were you just VERY unhappy to see us?

  • mcnor

    Hey Larry, what does a Hawaiian Manger look like? You know, Obama the plastic Jeezus doesn’t need a BC.

  • Annie

    I guess we will all find out when he is vetted. And as a Presidential nominee he will be vetted. If he was born in Mobassa, Kenya as his birth certificate says then he cannot be President. If he also has an Hawaiian birth certificate that just makes it confusing and it will have to be confirmed as being legal or not as the case may be.

    ‘Tis a puzzlement!

    Meantime he is not the official nominee of the Democratic Party until after the convention in August.

    • Teakwood

      If he was born in Mobassa, Kenya as his birth certificate says then he cannot be President

      Reference?

  • Michelle

    This is a legitimate document. State’s can issue various forms of the document. For example in NYC if you want a copy of the actual certificate–you have to ask for a “long-vault” form. Most States, including Hawaii, will give you this short form unless you specifically request the other type. This form looks very similar to what I have for NY and my daughter’s TX BC. As much as I support HRC and do not support Obama–you are grasping at straws here…..please move on to something more substantive (i.e, where is the so-called “whitey” tape?).

    • Hillarysupporters4Obama

      Michelle,
      To me this birth certificate looks a lot like the one Lucifer released last year when vetted by Ralph Reed

    • mcnor

      Facts still remain. If this was his BC, do you think he would let one of you have it?

  • Elizabeth

    RECOGNIZE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE.

    Racist, bitter, menopausal, and not a real Democrat. Thank you, and your candidate, for helping me define myself. Suggested reading: “How to win friends and influence people”.

    • mcnor

      Did you actually understand what you read?

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      “How to win friends and influence people”.

      That was an ironic recommendation, considering the rest of your post.

      Here’s a quiz for you.
      What do George McGovern, Mike Dukakis and Barack Obama have in common?

      Answer: Their supporters pissed off the electorate.

      • Elizabeth

        Racist, bitter, menopausal, and not a real Democrat. Thank you, and your candidate, for helping me define myself.

        I was responding to an Obama supporter. Notice: I am not an experienced blogger, just a concerned citizen who supports Hillary. I apoligize if my attempt at sarcasism failed.

    • campingoutindenver

      Did you mean to type:

      “Thank you, and your candidate, for helping me define myself: Racist, bitter, menopausal, and not a real Democrat.”

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        No I meant to type, “Which one of those three registered a record number of obnoxious young voters due to a “baby boom” which has never been matched — and how come he only ended up with 38% of the vote?”. That’s what I meant to type.

    • Susan1968

      Elizabeth …

      Your attempt at insult us is like spitting in the wind.

    • Sean

      “Recognize you for what you are” was directed at Larry, but if you really want to be offended that’s a liberty you are entitled to.

  • NITEOWL

    The certificate must be true if KOS says so. He is the supreme ruler of the internet universe.

  • Hillarysupporters4Obama

    To change the subject a leeeeetle bit, why is there a picture of a creepy Catholic preist pedophile at the front of this website? VERY macabre if you ask me.

  • Linda C.

    Why was Obama’s birth certificate on Daily Kos?????

    I am not sure the birth certificate is fake or not. However, why was it on Daily Kos first and who gave it to them and why? Or am I confused ?

  • Mary

    Larry,

    The “better than others” at Talk Left are ridiculing you, your website, and your posters.

    Go over and read it all. It’s under the thread about Barak’s new Debunking of Rumors Website.

    Surprised me, really, to hear Jeralynn and her kewl kids bash your site.

    • mcnor

      A BC is a benign piece of information. Why all the fuss? Wherever the original BC comes from, Mr. Axelrod is gonna have it changed to American.

  • Mary

    Larry,

    The “better than others” at Talk Left are ridiculing you, your website, and your posters.

    Go over and read it all. It’s under the thread about Barak’s new Debunking of Rumors Website.

    Surprised me, really, to hear Jeralynn and her kewl kids bash your site.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Do you have a problem remembering what you already posted? Is it a medical thing?

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      That’s funny. I’m reading how they are saying that Obama’s posters over at his site are infantile and give away their age. That would be you, right?

  • k in the northwest

    I was just talking about this to a g/f of mine. I sat and looked at my birth cert from Ca and this one Obama has pulled up no way resembles that one.
    Mine also say “Certificate of Live Birth” It has my mother and father’s age, birthdate and place of birth too. There are signatures.

    I keep trying to tell myself that Im just to suspicious. ????

  • Brodie

    I had to get the actual copy of my birth certificate in order to apply for a passport. The info Larry refers to is on the actual cert. This is not a birth certificate. I ,like others, think that if one is running for Pres. then one should have to supply a copy of the original certificate, not a “short form” which can easily be forged. The long form isn’t easily forged BECAUSE it has all that other info on it- like signatures of parents & Dr., etc. which can be checked against other samples. Mine is from D.C. much earlier than Nobama’s. And excuse me, dear little trolls, but WE are the President’s employers & the birth certificate is part of the REQUIREMENTS for the job. The reason you can’t use the short form for a passport app. is exactly because it is easily forged. This isn’t trivial stuff at all.

  • Tricia

    Please visit this website for vital records

    Barack dad information

    http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

  • Susan1968

    Thanks to Dave_Not_For_Obama who posted in another thread how to fool with Obama’s ‘Fight The Smears’ web page, I went to …

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/notape

    … and used the Obama email under an alias and sent out the following to about 30 email addys across the country:
    Friends –

    To help the Barack Obama campaign fight the smears, please forward this email to ten of your friends.

    By now you’ve heard rumors that a videotape featuring Michelle Obama will soon be released by the main stream media.

    The tape was filmed between June 26th – July 1st, 2004. in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at the Sheraton Hotel.

    The video will show Mrs. Obama passionately expressing her views and using such phrases as “Whitey,” “Hillary is a Ho,” along with negative characterizations of former President Clinton.

    Without a doubt, the media will play this video in every news cycle.

    We ask you to ignore Michelle Obama’s angry meltdown, just as you have ignored the Obama family’s close relationship with Reverend ‘God Damn America’ Wright, Islamic extremist Minister Farrahkan, and American-born terrorist, William Ayers. All of whom have deeply influenced Senator Obama’s view of the world.

    You have shown such willingness to turn a blind eye to all the reasons why you shouldn’t vote for Barack Obama, we know we can count on you to remain oblivious to the truth, yet again.

    Thanks so much for sipping the Hope & Change Kool-Aid, and please go to http://www.barackobama.com to make a generous donation to the campaign.

    • Andy

      ROFLOL !!!!! That was brilliant. Should say though the tape will be released in
      Oct./Nov but to please keep the faith regardless.

      • karen for Clinton

        that says it ALL. Wonderful Susan.

  • vee

    Surely the government agency in Hawaii that handles birth certificates would be able to answer a few questions on what should be seen on an official birth certificate or, better, send a dummy certificate to someone. That would seem to be an easy way to answer the question of the validity of the certificate and end the speculation.

  • Pandora

    If you flip the certificate horizontally you see a date stamped Jun 6 2007.

    Whats up with that?

    Check out this link

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2030190/posts?q=1&amp;;page=1

  • Babs

    One has to have a true birth certificate when obtaining a passport, not the certificate of birth short form.
    So, is a copy of that birth certificate in your passport files? If so, I will ask again, were Obama’s passport files breached to remove information such as a copy of his birth certificate?
    Obama could end all this speculation by just providing his birth certificate, which he would have had to have to obtain a passport. Why doesn’t he? Simple question, why doesn’t he?

    • Andy

      I agree.

  • Big D

    After posting for the last two months on a pro Obama news website, I came on here just to say Obama supporters suck and go fuck yourself Obama..I feel better now.

  • campingoutindenver

    And to Hope Floats, fuck you. Not everyone is a troll.

  • k in the northwest

    Comment by Babs | 2008-06-12 22:49:06

    Larry, do you know what kind of information is kept in the passport files that were breached a few months ago? Would a copy of a true birth certificate be among the files?
    I have often wondered, in my conspiracy racked brain, if that “breach” wasn’t a set-up to either remove or change something in Obama’s files.
    Just wondering……..
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
    Babs I always wondered why Obama was the madder than either McCain or Clinton.
    The information in the passport records should be information that any one should have on their public officials.

    • Sean

      It’s the principal not the information.

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    If at first it will not post, try, try again…..

    I did not think there was anything to this story until seeing this document.

    This certificate is what the Hawaii DOH calls a “Late” Certificate of Birth, and it is not an original Birth Certificate recorded at the date of actual birth.

    In Hawaii, anyone can claim they were born there and submit the evidence years after the birth to obtain a late “Certificate of Birth”.

    “Who is Eligible to Apply for Late Registration? As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration: Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth.

    Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.

    Perhaps Obama had his typical white grandmother sign an affidavit to submit as evidence of Hawaii birth.

    Why wasn’t there an original certificate filed at the time of birth? Was Barak born in a hospital? The Obots think he was born in a manger.

    An original Hawaii Certificate of Birth has the actual place of birth, i.e. home, hospital, or manger, and the physical address (no PO boxes please)

    An original also has the signiture of the attending physician, or other designated attendee.

    The physical addresses of both parents are also listed on an original Certificate of Birth.

    So, Barak has some splainin to do. What evidence did he submit to obtain this “late” Certificate of Birth.

    The plot thickens…..

  • NITEOWL

    Larry and NQ were mentioned on the last part of Larry King talking about the tape rumours. Hillary Rosen called Larry a former supporter of Clinton. HE still is a supporter.

  • sleepy

    What proof do you have that Hillary wasn’t born in Mongolia?

    • Teakwood

      What proof do I have you don’t consume “Mass Quantities”

      • karen for Clinton

        LOL!!!

        I never put that together with the other type of “cone heads” but Barky and Wright etc. are James Cone – heads.

        The synchronicity of the events surrounding this man are astounding.

  • sleepy

    reply to James…ahhh geez..the media was all over McCains birth and birth certificate..are you just now catching up sparky????????

    ahhh you trolls get dumber by the freaking day!

    go away you idiot!

    fly

    Is it available online? If not . . . . .

    • fly

      goggle is your friend..but i don’t believe McCain had a birth certificate avail..if i remember it correctly..go check google..i don’t do the research work for trolls!

      fly

  • The Real Hope

    Maybe Obama isn’t Obama at all but some poseur from Indonesia.

  • Katherine

    okay, so I was born in Ft. Benning Ga. 1963 so I know the military is weird, but my birth certificate has so much information on it it’s bizarre. Is that just military or civilian too?

    • campingoutindenver

      The one my mom gave me has some silly thing on “Like Angels sent from Heaven” with my info and footprints. It wasn’t enough to get a passport. I had to get the original from the county I was born in. It is detailed.

      I wonder of Obama’s says “Like Angels sent from Heaven”?

      • Katherine

        That’s funny. My fake one says “Future Precious Pain In The Ass Angel From Heaven”

        • campingoutindenver

          But does it have little cute pictures of angels descending from the sky? Mine doesn’t have a print of my ass.

    • http://www.yahoo.com DARRELL REED

      MAN ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE,I WAS BORN IN MISSOURI IN 1946 IN MY GRANDFATHER’S BARN.THE DOCTOR THAT DELIVERED ME AS I HAVE BEEN TOLD,WAS ON HIS WAY WITH FRIENDS TO DUCK HUNT.HE DELIVERED ME AND WENT ON TO HUNT SO AS IT TURNS OUT MY ONLY RECORD OF BIRTH IS IN A FAMILY BIBLE. BUT I BELIEVE OBAMA’S CERTIFICATE SOUNDS ALITTLE ODD TO BE MISSING SO MUCH INFORMATION.SO IT FITS IN WITH THE MISINFORMATION FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN THAT THEY PUT OUT TO OBAMA’S NEWS MEDIA.

  • Gypsy

    k in the northwest, Babs, Uppity Woman and now Johnny at work, I guess the puzzle is now solved!

    How clever — and kudos to all! Did you remember to call 9-1-1 or the FBI? C’mon now, you have the evidence, MAKE THE CALL!! Do SOMETHING for once in your lives — be a HERO!

    Please, please, please stay away from my candidate,
    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. But feel free, to pretend amongst yourselves.

    PATHETIC – THINK!

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      Hillary supporter…right. How much did you donate? Ya see, whenever someone claims to be something like that outright (like the republicans who call themselves ‘patriots’ or religous people who wear their religon on their sleeve), I automatically assume the opposite. So in reality, you’re a dirtbag Obama supporter.

  • Katherine

    oh also, Go Celtics! sorry slightly off topic but still…….

  • sleepy

    Comment by uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous | 2008-06-12 23:29:25

    I know, why did those founding fathers put “RULZ” of citizenship in the constitution? That was just stupid, Hope and Change are all that matter

    Were those rules only put in there for Obama?

    Did Hillary really withdraw because she was born in Mongolia?

    If that sounds silly, look in the mirror.

    • WildChild

      Isn’t it a little late to be asking for Hillary’s birth certificate? Maybe you can write it down on a post it note and raise the issue again in 2012.

  • JM

    This is it! You’re quaking in your bloomers!

  • k in the northwest

    The big problem as I see it; Obama has been skirting, fudging the truth and flip flopping about so many personal issues that I dont think any of us know what to believe anymore.
    Ayers, Wright, Pfliger, and Rekzo all have various conflicting stories told by Obama over the last 6 months.
    I think where I really got upset was when Obama once again used the statement “he wasnt the person I knew 20 years ago.” If you all look you will find that he used that statement for Rekzo, Wright and Pfliger.

  • Mel

    the document Obama sent is a computer generated paper, steal them and moke your own!

    Just sent Larry a real certificate of live birth sample from hawaii!
    Axelrod and Obamistake are trying again to bambooxle people!

  • sleepy

    Comment by Judy | 2008-06-13 00:04:14

    Beyond all the foolishness, why is Obama the only candidate subject to scrutiny as to citizenship?

    He isn’t. Google “McCain birth”. This will bring up all kinds of links like the following:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

    This “double standard” accusation thing – if Obama becomes president, is this what will happen whenever Obama is criticized? If so, that would be quite an incentive to vote against him.

    Well, McCain says he was born in the Canal Zone, but I have yet to see a birth certificate. Until then . . . .

    • WildChild

      Both McCain’s parents are US Citizens. BOBO’s Dad wasn’t a US Citizen.

    • s. hall

      McCain went through this in 2000 and it was found that he was born of American parents. Therefore, he is a citizen of this country.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        I think they had to actually vote to issue him a waiver because he was born in the Panama.

        Everyone agreed, even though there was some kind of weird technicality to waive the issue.

        I think I’m remembering that right.

  • HARP
  • Keith

    You’re right, of course about all those pesky details about the attending physician, etc. It is amazing though that there are all these trolls pestering you with personnel attacks. Does this go on here on the left constantly? Best Regards Keith

  • k in the northwest

    Comment by Gypsy | 2008-06-13 00:21:50
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
    Like many many of the media have said. Obama needs to come out and tell the whole truth about all of his questionable friends, associates, mentors and etc.
    If Obama’s first, second, third and etc stories on just one of the questionable people in his past had held true and/or stayed the same through out all his various tellings than the public just might have more reason to believe what could be the truth about his birth certificate.
    Obama’s stories of his life have flipflopped and been proven to be fabrications so often that we the public naturally question his word.
    That is why many of us can’t see voting for him

  • Gypsy

    Katherine, yes, GO CELTICS! At heart, I’m a Sixers fan (I know) but because of a very close family friend, Armond Hill, Asst Coach, I’m now proudly rooting for the Celtics!

  • sleepy

    Comment by The Real Hope | 2008-06-13 00:16:33

    Maybe Obama isn’t Obama at all but some poseur from Indonesia.

    And maybe the McCain that went into the pow camp is not the same McCain who came out. Perhaps, he is the fake McCain born outside the US?

    Just sayin . . . . .

  • sleepy

    WildChild | 2008-06-13 00:39:44

    Isn’t it a little late to be asking for Hillary’s birth certificate? Maybe you can write it down on a post it note and raise the issue again in 2012.

    It’s never too late to raise critical issues such as foreign agents infiltrating US politics.

    • WildChild

      OK, then make your case. Why would you say Hillary is a foreign agent?

  • sleepy

    Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-13 00:41:57

    Both McCain’s parents are US Citizens. BOBO’s Dad wasn’t a US Citizen.

    So he says, but until I see the birth certificates of his parents, I’m skeptical.

    Beyond that, of course, birth to one US parent qualifies one for citizenship.

    • so saddened

      again, the issue isn’t citizenship. it’s natural born citizenship, which is a constitutional requirement for the presidency.

      if both your parents are citizens, but you’re born in england, for example, you’re a citizen,but not a “natural born,” citizen of the u.s.

      • WildChild

        If both your parents are US citizens you are a natural born US citizen regardless of where you are born

        • so saddened

          citation please.

          didn’t think so.

          • WildChild

            You BOBO boys really can’t be this stupid

            http://tinyurl.com/y3bor6

            Citizenship

            All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. – XIV Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

            Citizenship is one of the most coveted gifts that the U.S. government can bestow, and the most important immigration benefit that USCIS can grant. Most people become U.S. citizens in one of two ways:

            *
            By birth, either within the territory of the United States or to U.S. citizen parents, or
            *
            By Naturalization.

    • WildChild

      Not back in 1961 it didn’t.

  • http://hillaryorbust.blogspot.com Hillary or Bust

    I’m wondering why my post is not going through. I am not a troll, I have been supporting Hillary for a while, and I just wanted to say I think this birth certificate thing is not a good focus for this site.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I think that this falls into the category of “fun.” :)

      Check out my post for a new one.

      • so saddened

        actually, ann, not to belabor the point, but it’s not just fun.

        i firmly believe we will never know the truth.

        but if the truth is that obama was born in kenya, then he is not eligible for the presidency. and there is no way to change that.

        also, if he knows that truth and covers it up and gets elected, it’s obviously an impeachable offense.

        also, if he knows that truth and covers it up, it’s a federal offense, which would land his behind in prison.

        again, i realize he may have been born in hawaii. and i realize that if he wasn’t, the coverup will be good enough that we’ll never know. but the issue is indeed important.

        jmo.

        • http://hillaryorbust.blogspot.com Hillary or Bust

          I just think with all the resources that man has, faking a birth document (if indeed it was an issue) will not be a problem. He’s already skated past Wright and a whole bunch of other stuff.

          Going on about the details of this birth certificate could just make this site lose more credibility. That’s my concern. My birth certificate does not have parent’s signatures or footprints. I don’t see anything wrong with the document posted above based on my own certificate.

          By focusing on this one issue, the site stands a chance of losing more credibility. I’d rather focus on other things that could maybe turn the tide. This, however, is a dead end.

          • WildChild

            You might be right. If BOBO isn’t a natural born citizen he will not be president.

          • Unbelievable!

            “Going on about the details of this birth certificate could just make this site lose more credibility.”

            This site and credibility?

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Whew. Okay. Lemme catch my breath. Wait… wait…

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Man, you guys just slay me! *snicker* *snicker*

            • WildChild

              LOL yet here you are.

            • s. hall

              unbelievable — does that mean your not coming back here–Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

          • s. hall

            Hillary or Bust — do you believe that we are a nation of laws? Do you believe that a person running for president must abide by the law of the land which is that he or she needs to be born in this country? Obama, if he lied about being born in this country has broken the law.

      • s. hall

        annin — I’m surprised that you would say that this is just fun. This is about breaking the law. There is a very important reason that this law was enacted by our forefathers and that it that they didn’t want a president to have divided loyalties. But go ahead and enjoy yourself.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Well, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I think this entire deal falls into the category of “nuts.”

          I won’t vote for Obama. I do not think he’s evil or so nefarious that he’s a marxist who hates America and isn’t a citizen waiting to bring us down. LOL*

          I just think he’s a slimy suit.

          Way slimy.

          But this story is really into Republicanism to me.

          I’m not going there with you guys.

          You’re welcome to go there, but I’m not hopping on that bus with you.

    • Mel

      If asked to produce a certificate of birth and you are bamboozled with a piece of paper that you can buy anytime and not the real one, what does that tell you of someone claiming to be Mr Transparency?

      Larry and Susan now have a specimen of a real Certificate of live birth from Hawaii to post, and it debunks something you can generate in a basement with a computer or typewriter that Obama offered up claiming to be a birth certificate.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Here’s a new one for you guys. Apparently, a story about Obama’s mom who abandoned him twice to chase romance is hitting now. She divorced his father when she discovered he had a wife and 2 sons in Kenya already.

    The question is: If he had a wife and children, then was the marriage ever valid in the US?

    *haha…….(That’ll keep the new rumor site busy!)

    • so saddened

      too easy – obama’s dad had another wife and his “marriage” to the mom wasn’t valid.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        You win! The radio guys covering this story said it probably was some kind of tribal ceremony. But I didn’t even know he had siblings.

    • s. hall

      annin — you miss the point. It doesn’t matter whether his parents were married–it matters where he was born.

  • Tommy

    Is Obama 46 or 47?

  • WildChild

    Comment by Acadian | 2008-06-13 00:33:12

    Yeeeaaaah….honestly, Obama is not answerable to this site. If there was another site asking the same of Clinton, I’d say the same thing.
    (Comments wont nest below this level)

    Since he’s running for president, BOBO is answerable to all the people and all the people decided that to be our president you have to be a natural born citizen. This issue has nothing to do with Hillary other than to illustrate that like the right wing nut bags that preceded you left wing nut bags, you have to hide behind a Clinton whenever somebody starts to take a close look at what’s going on in your closet.

    This issue either disappears from this race the second BOBO produces his original birth certificate or a copy of the original or BOBO does… and the latter might explain the delay.

    • Acadian

      Nooo, he’s not answerable to you. He’s answerable to the Constitution and applicable laws. That’s all. You’re inflating your importance (immensely) to even think that he’s answerable to you.

      • WildChild

        The constitution begins We the People of the United States of America. I’m one of the people of the United States of America so yes he answers to me and every other American.

        • Unbelievable!

          Right now that’s debatable. You aren’t fit to be called an American.

          • WildChild

            Ha Ha Ha Ha sorry but your hissy fit isn’t an recognised mechanism for stripping me of my citizenship

            • Acadian

              And yours is not a recognized mechanism for falsely asserting personal involvement.

              • WildChild

                if I’m involved then there is no falsity. Our conversation makes your premise false.

          • Teakwood

            Asshole you would be; Unbelievable.

            That one is a line from dr savage; go back to 910 on the dial fool.

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  • GoHillary

    Interpretation:
    This piece of paper, which is good for one thing, you can use it very well if you are out in the woods and you have to go and using leaves gives you a rash!

    No, seriously, this was obtained by nobama last year when he decided to run for office because he realized he DID NOT have a birth certificate. His mother and father have passed and he probably does not know exactly himself.

    The certificate does mention the recorded date by the registrar, These records should be somewhere, in case the request was made last year, they looked it up in some book or ledger or register (hence the name registrar)(No computers at that time) and then issued this piece of paper. That is, if this is legitimate.

    On the other hand it is quite possible that some clerk was bribed to issue this and he probably did it for a 20 spot. He was smart (or chicken shit) enough however not to put his name on the certification. This is why perhaps the nobama camp has been so reluctant to produce this.

    It should be easily possible to go through all the registers in Honolulu for 1961 (Honolulu’s population was 150 K at that time and with a birthrate of 40/1K it makes only 6000 births in 1961) or subpoena the clerk who issued this certificate and demand from him in the court that he produce the register entry. Or sing.

    This is important. If there were false representation made, it is jail time for whoever made that application in 2007.

  • Gypsy

    k in the northwest — I think that you and I agree. However, I don’t believe that you et al are taking the correct path. Hey, I’ve been a Hillary supporter and volunteer since January. I’m still a stupid optimist that yes, she could pull this off in Denver in August. As we know, anything can happen when it comes to politics. BUT, I will not be a part of stupid, unfounded rumors….and that’s really my basic point. By the way, this is the first time I’ve written on a site, even though I read so many comments over the months. All I ask is
    how about we all get a little smarter and THINK, ok?

    • WildChild

      If it wasn’t the law. It wouldn’t be an issue.

      • s. hall

        wildchild thank you. Finally someone realizes that its about the law.

    • s. hall

      Gypsy — What shall we think about? We have a potential nominee whose past is very murky. His father was a muslim and Obama went to a madrassa school. His friends hate this country and its people. He has been involved in crooked deals and he believes we have too many elections. I want to see Obama fully vetted and if he is not a natural born citizen of this country he should not be running to be its president.

      • Gypsy

        He is a natural born citizen, so let’s get over it. We need Hillary at the Convention, she’s our
        only hope, ok?

  • marisa

    At first, I didn’t think much of the whole lack of a birth certificate thing, but now, WTF??

    The bc is obviously a fraud.

    Now I’m curious. What is Obama hiding??

    • s. hall

      Obama could be hiding the fact that he is not eligible to be President.

  • Annagain

    Larry — you rock.

  • KJMontana

    I can’t wait to hear BO say, “that’s not the birth certificate I knew.”

  • marisa

    LOL KJ!

  • k in the northwest

    Gypsy—I probably partly agree with you. Maybe there are just a few too many weird rumors out there.
    Like I have said; Obama can’t seem to tell the Whole truth about anything in his past or present lately.

    Yes, the BC issue is kind of weird.
    Yet, I do wonder (like many others)WHY he can’t put it out there for all to see, with just maybe a few things blocked.

    Hey, Obama is looking to be the president of the US, and what we seem to know of him has been distorted by himself many times over.

    I think what most of us want is to see if Obama can come forward with the WHOLE Truth just once.
    You know the Whole Truth prior to sprewing months of denials, until faced with hard cored evidence that he ends up skirting.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Well, the rumor I just published may be the issue. If the focus is on how his dad had two “wives,” then that makes him a “bastard,” and it raises even more questions about his stability.

      His mother died from cancer, and he refused to go see her. That definitely does indicate that he has issues, as we say.

      Perhaps he didn’t want his legitimacy to become the focus.

      I think he was born in Hawaii. I think that is just rumor mill stuff. He’s a citizen. However, his parent’s situation may be the issue he’s trying to avoid.

      Can’t say that I blame him, although I don’t think people are hung up on this stuff nearly as they might have been in the past.

      It’s just one more thing that makes him odd.

      • s. hall

        annin — In order to run for the Presidency you have to be born in this country. That’s what this is all about. It’s the law. It has nothing to do with whether he is illegitimate. If he was not born in this country he cannot be its president.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          I’m well aware of the issue. I think it’s all silly stuff, personally.

  • k in the northwest

    Comment by KJMontana | 2008-06-13 01:15:34

    I can’t wait to hear BO say, “that’s not the birth certificate I knew.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Yes Yes Yes…..ROFL

  • MTM

    I deal a lot in genealogy and there are fundamental problems with this “certification.” Often times, instead of requesting an actual copy of a birth certificate, you can request a certification from the Department of Vital Statistics that there is a certificate on record for that bith. It appears to be that this is what the Obama campaign is trying to present.

    There are some problems, however. Certifications like this must include a watermark or some type of special background/ink that makes it void if someone attempts to copy it. If that was the case, then it would be marked somewhere on the document that it contains a seal, watermark, or special background. There is no such wording on this “document.”

    Also, even certifications like this must be signed by the state’s regsitrar. Obviously, there is no signature or approval from the registrar on this form. The form must also include a date that it was issued, since this is obviously not an orignal of anything. Also, the form only has a “certificate number”–which is blackened out. But a certificaton like this would have both a file number for the original birth certificate and a certificate number (like a receipt number) for the certification.

    The fact that this says the certificate was filed just 4 days after the birth also raises some questions. I have never seen a certificate filed that quickly, especially one from this time period. And it’s worth noting that Obama was born on a Friday evening, which leaves only two business days to process the certificate if it was indeed filed on August 8th. It usually takes about a month to process these things.

  • Catriley

    I was born in ’59 in LA County. Every time I’ve lost my birth certificate, I have paid the County for a new copy, and it’s an official form with all the pertinent info on it. And it’s got an official seal, and such. What I see in that is posted here is that it’s an abstract. It says he was born there on that date. Proves Obama was born. Thank God.. I thought he was hatched, or perhaps dropped down from the sky in a magical cloudburst.

    Seriously. The abstract they have provided does not answer any questions. I would be shocked if a city like Oahu does not have the original on microfiche. Hell.. my birth cert has my parents occupation on there!

    Interesting stuff. I think what they’re doing is answering a rumor or smear with something official, in hopes it will quell the rumor. But.. it only begs more questions.

    I could care less what his parents religion was.. .hell, I was born to two catholics and see how that turned out! But naturally, I’d like to know immediately if there is some issue with all that naturalized citizen stuff.

  • NITEOWL

    Isn’t there a passport file for Obama’s mother Ann? That should show where she was at the time of his birth.

    • so saddened

      excellent question!

      wonder if anyone who can will actually investigate this stuff?

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      This story has obviously caught fire. I give in! LOL*

      Some reporter will now be able to dig it out. I’ve read that they tried, but were stonewalled.

      Personally, I think it’s silly stuff. But what the heck….

      It’s all over the radio and TV. Might as well have some fun.

  • http://www.obama-wire.com/ Pace

    That looks pretty shady to me…

    http://www.obama-wire.com

  • Makarov

    I haven’t posted before, but mostly enjoy this site.

    Just a point of fact (and I haven’t seen the document released by the Obama campaign), I’m a few years younger than Barack Obama, and apparently never had a Birth Certificate until I was in my 20′s.

    When I was born, the hospital issued my parents a “Birth Registration” document. I still have it. When I was about 23, I decided to get my passport. At this time, I learned that my document (which was good enough to get me a driver’s license 7 years earlier) was not, in fact, a birth certificate. I had to go to my local State Representative’s office, fill out a form, and send it to my state capital in Harrisburg, PA. A few weeks later, I received my official birth certificate in the mail.

    So, I had a driver’s license, a social security card and number (since birth), but no birth certificate. I’d also been paying taxes since I was 15. If I hadn’t applied for a passport, I still wouldn’t have a birth certificate, and if I’d had a passport when I was younger, I might still not have one.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      That’s my guess. That was the process when my son was born. You had to apply for the BC from the hospital registration.

      The doctor stuff was on the hospital doc, not on the B/C from the state.

      I suspect a lot of people skip the second step stupidly.

      • Makarov

        Yeah, I think there’s a doctor signature (or hospital admin) signature on my Registration doc. If memory serves (it’s in my safe deposit box), there’s actually my footprints on the back of it as well.

    • MTM

      It’s not that you didn’t have a birth certificate, it’s just that it wasn’t issued to your parents (or they lost it). What you received from the state was not your original birth certificate, but most likely a certification stating that your birth certificate is indeed on file with the Department of Vital Statistics. These “certified records of birth” are considered valid for obtaining a passport, but are in a shorter firm that the actual birth certificates filed by a hospital or physician.

    • s. hall

      makarov–the point is a birth certificate exists for all of us who were born in this country. As you said, the only time you need to show it is when you get married, get a passport or apply for Social Security. But birth certificates are readily available by paying a small amount of money to the state and then writing away to get an original copy which comes stamped for authenticity. The fact that Obama doesn’t seem to have an original birth certificate means he was not born in this country.

  • treading water

    If he was born in Hawaii in 1961 he is a natural born citizen, even if only one of his parents is a US citizen. Check this site:
    http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
    The question of his birth should be the least of this countries concern. What should be of concern is his socialist plans to take control of our country. He has already begun implementation of this. The DNC is now moving to Chicago: his home turf.
    He has paid obamaborgs to cleanse the net..
    He now is beginning to indoctrinate the youth using religion as bait. What this man believes in is Liberation Theology. He has spent the last 20+ years absorbing all this socialistic liberation “theology”
    He has been a part of conferences and panels with Wiliam Ayers at the U of Chicago promoting this socialism. Ayers also believes in Liberation Theology: his based on Paulo Freire”s works. Connect the dots: Wright and Ayers both believe in this and so does Obama-he has been surrounded by this entire adult life and this is the “change” he is talking about!

  • Gypsy

    Why, why, why do you continue to compound this non-issue? You only make yourselves look silly. IT’S OVER– HE’S A CITIZEN FOR GOD’S SAKE, GET OVER IT!

    Please stop. Let’s rally ’round other sites that are positive such as: http://www.justsaynodeal.com or others that I’m sure you all know and can recommend.

    Let’s try to work together friends….ok….please any suggestions welcome (but NOT rumors)

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Lighten up. People are curious. I was annoyed, too. After 4 days of being trolled constantly, I’ve decided the only way to handle it is go with the flow.

      Look at the bright side. At least the jerk is finally not being allowed to control the agenda. He’s actually being asked questions.

      He’s busy these days flinging Larry off of his back. LOL*

      That’s more effective than 1000 postcards to Dean the weenie!

      This site was the topic of my local radio guys tonight.

      Trust me……it’s effective when it’s hitting LA markets at drive time.

      Granted, the topic was Obama rumors. LOL*

      But still, it was fun to hear us discussed. The media guys are all checking in daily now to see the latest scoop.

    • WildChild

      I’m sure in the same spirit he released his tax returns, BOBO can rustle us up an original or copy of his original birth certificate. I’m only saying this because there’s no requirements to show us how much you make but there is one to show us you were born here.

    • Mel

      Gypsy, Rezko was a non-issue, how is that turning out?

      How about the other non-issues, NAFTA, Rev Wright, TUCC, all he lied or diverted about, now he produces a five and dime shop computer generated piece of paper as a birth certificate, instead of a real legitimate Certificate of Live Birth goes right back again to being honest and forthright, especially over something so simple.

      Obama makes non-issues become issues by not being as he claims to be open and transparent, instead he diverts and denies, it is a pathalogical pattern with this guy, that not tell you something?

      • jade

        Huh? How about Bush’s DUI’s and failed businesses (all of which actually did happen as opposed to the Obama smears), that not tell YOU something? Did you vote for Bush anyway?

        • mel

          never voted for bush, smrears like what, dime store phoney paper, nafta, rezko, ayers, wright, smears?

          how about obamas failed education reforms, failed votings, lies, non transparency? btw all he did and claims he is the agent of change

        • karen for Clinton

          Ah, the republican card again. How original to now say we were for Bush.

          We were the ones OUTTING Bush’s lies and are now doing the same with Ob.

          You are the one joining the lemmings right off the cliff as the republicans did for Bush.

          Hillary is the opposite of Bush.

          What non-sense to think Hillary supporters supported Bush.

          I would guess many of us voted twice for President Clinton though. That is logic for ya.

          Another “racist” who spent her whole life fighting for civil rights.

          Another recently ex-Dem proud to support Clinton or ABO – even if that means for the first time in my life going across the aisle.

          The Dems sold out to the highest bidder.

          I am not for sale in their package.

  • Judy

    The issue is not the birth certificate. The issue is with his parents being 2 natural born citizens. Father was not – then 1 of the parents must have lived x number of years in USA after the age of 16.

    Anyone like to investigate that issue.

    I don’t think anyone ever doubted he was born in Hawaii.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      His mother is from Kansas. He’s born in Hawaii.

      Just where do you see nefarious lies?

      You guys are nuts. LOL*

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

    I just found Jesus’ Certification of Birth…it looks just like Barack Obama’s even the names are the same.

  • Gypsy

    Hey AnninCa, no I won’t lighten up. By the way, after months of reading blogs and comments the word “troll” seems, in reality, to mean anyone who doesn’t agree with another. Gee, are we all back in junior high again? So cute. But anyway, you have offered no new information that wasn’t already available. I read EVERYTHING about Senator Barack Obama back in August 2007, via Wikipedia, his books, etc. So, your point is? You seem like a smart and informed lady, why do you need to um, sorta, lie….?

    Did I mention I’m a Hillary fanatic?

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      *blink*

      This meme has been trolled on this site for 5 days. No matter the topic, some idiot would post the same post. Over and over and over.

      That IS trolling.

      I’m a Hillary die-hard, but I’m not about to pretend I think this is a legitimate story or even respectable, frankly.

      It’s goofy. It smacks of Republican smear tactics.

      I’m looking at this as rather fun, breezy…..and gives the conspiracy nuts something to worry over.

      If that bothers you, too bad.

      Not all Hillary supporters are alike.

      • WildChild

        Anything that drives BOBOweenies insane is worth some time spent at the computer.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          I’ve adopted that philosophy. *haha

          • WildChild

            :)

  • jade

    Seriously?

    I can’t believe anyone is still wasting their energy on this.

    If it weren’t for borderline personality disorder there wouldn’t even be a Republican party at this point.

    But, good luck… I hear you guys can’t take rejection, so I hope you’ve got your happy places readily accessible in November.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Baloney. I’m very much a Hillary supporter, and I don’t think this is a legitimate issue.

      Discount us all if you wish.

      But you’d be dead wrong.

  • marisa

    I don’t find it silly to question whether or not a candidate for POTUS is a US citizen, but maybe, then again, I’ve lost my sense of humor to the DNC’s mad rush toward fascism.

    If so, I apologize to all dictators and those posing as concerned citizens.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Perhaps you have lost your perspective. Facism?

      Come on guys. Obama is way to wussy to be a facist.

  • jade

    Don’t you think if he weren’t a US citizen he wouldn’t be a senator? Or is that too far of a stretch?

    • WildChild

      In Illinois you don’t even have to show up in person to file the paperwork for your candidacy.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      You must provide proof of citizenship for a passport. You now must provide a passport to even go to the Virgin Islands.

      Ergo……he has a passport. Ergo……he is a citizen.

      You can’t go to Puerto Rico without a passport now.

      He’s a citizen, people.

      I DO think the story about his father having a wife and kids in Kenya is interesting.

      Obama has brothers?

      • WildChild

        That depends on when he got his first passport. As late as the early eighties you could get a SS card by just filling out a card and sending it in. No identification was required. They never even had to see you. Things are different now. Standards of proof are much more rigorous.

      • mel

        Anna, Hawaii offers a few types of birth certificates, and one only requires someone swearing he was born there, but it gives him citizen status but not natural citizen status required to be POTUS.

        As for his father being already married, it is true, and he was married another time before bambis mom but was divorced, so yes in some terms, Bambi is a bastard. Bambis dad remarried again after his marriage to bambi mom ended.

        In your learning of Bambi, you learn his mom was communist? His dad was, everyone in his life was?

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Obama is racing to the center. He’s no more of a Marxist than you, Mel.

          I’m not an Obama supporter because I think he has no real passion for solving America’s problems. He’s about being the first AA president.

          He’s self-centered, in short. Horribly self-centered.

          But Marxist? I see his roots. I see him racing away.

          He’s trying to be middle-of-the-road as fast as possible.

          He votes “not present.”

          He is a people-pleaser.

          I’m against him for that reason. We need a strong leader to get us out of our mess. He’s not strong. He will capitulate everytime he’s not polling well. We are NOT in the position to tolerate that type of president right now.

          Right now, I don’t really care. Obama or McCain. Doesn’t matter. We’re not going to solve a dang problem with either.

          McCain will be a place-marker. Obama a people-pleaser with a slew of ill-thought out policies.

          *sigh*

          So I’m girding up for another 5 years of American downfall.

          • Teakwood

            Obama is racing to the center. He’s no more of a Marxist than you, Mel.

            If you believe that then you are “going with the flow”…

            Obama is a fraud, it does not matter where he races.

  • marisa

    Thanks for asking!

    My happy place is Chicago. You know, in one of those very cold slum properties owned by Rezko–where the heat has been turned off. In other words, one of those places funded by Obama.

    No worries though.

    I have blankets.

    I hope that members of the DNC do too!

    If not, I’ll send them blankets!

    And by blankets, I mean a lot of monopoly dollars to burn for heat.

  • Gypsy

    Mel @13:10 — Hey, I’m not defending Sen Obama, but unless or until you or the State have evidence, there is no issue. I know, but we have to follow the law. Believe me, I’m NOT a fan of Sen Obama on so, so, so many levels. But please, let’s NOT manufacture rumors either, Mel, right? It’s our U.S. Constitution right, for everybody….!

    • WildChild

      BOBO and his boys had no problem telling the lie that Hillary wanted BOBO murdered.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Exactly…..tis the season for exaggeration.

        I may express my own personal opinions here, but I am laughing the tables are turned.

        I knew I would enjoy this. :)

    • mel

      Gypsy, it is not a single issue, it is a combination of a ton of issues with him. why did he not simply put the real document out and end this instead he produces a piece of useless paper. Everything he is confronted with is lied upon adding to a list of no truth to many other things, he avoids and sidesteps, not just this but everything, and now is the time to call him out, not in a month or two, after all he claims to be transparent, yet he hides everything.

      Con artists and moles do that, not transparent people like he claims to be.

      So if he is discovered to not be the nominee, and he has the DNC machine in Chicago, there isn’t a hope for Hillary to run for POTUS so what then?

      Consolidating power is a communist tactic is it not?

      So someone not elected nominee is changing the Party to consolidate a no option policy and program, why except for being known to be too close to being exposed, what other reason is there?

  • Gypsy

    AnninCa — so I’m right, correct? A troll is someone who doesn’t agree with you? Wow, I’m so smart. Maybe you should take a little break with the “conspiracy” and all. Relax.

    And Jade, yes, it’s a REAL big stretch for this crowd. That’s what I’ve been trying to tell them.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      No, it’s someone who seeks to disrupt.

      That’s why the “Birth certificate” people were, indeed, trolls.

      Not matter the topic, the same exact post appeared and disrupted the conversation.

      It was as disruptive as Obamabots.

      Just from the other side.

  • Gypsy

    Hey genius AnninCa — NO, you do NOT need a US passport to travel to Puerto Rico.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      OK….I’ll believe you.

      Maybe…..

  • marisa

    That’s true about PR.

    I visited from Philly in March.

    I find it weird, but then I guess it makes sense since it’s a US territory.

    But I still wanted the stamp:)

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      OK, I’m wrong.

      How about the Virgin Islands?

  • Gypsy

    AnninCa, I think we’re on the same page BUT you’re a brat; and so am I. I wouldn’t lie to you nor anyone. Perhaps we shall spar again…HOWEVER no “rumor” nonsense, deal?

  • Susan

    It looks like an abstract of the birth record. For some reason we were sent one of these for my daughter after her birth (in 1992) instead of an official “certificate of live birth” with the embossed seal and all the signatures, etc.

    The abstract is pretty useless. The DMV wouldn’t even accept it as ID, and we had to send off to the county registrar to get an official birth certificate. That one had all the usual stuff; seal, signatures from doctor, registrar, parents, etc.

    I don’t know what the ID rules were back a couple decades ago, but certainly an abstract of birth right now would not be acceptable to get a passport. I assume abstracts are not accepted for purposes of drivers licenses and the like because they would be way too easy to forge.

    Not saying the abstract here is forged or not real or anything like that (cuz how would I know?), but it does look like a recently issued abstract of birth, which would explain the contemporary font. The thing I’m unclear about is why anyone would order (as late as Nov. 2007) an abstact of a birth from 1961, because they really aren’t useful for anything as far as I know.

    Anyway, this should be easy to resolve by just getting a on official birth certificate… I mean, if someone wanted to fight the smear and all that. I don’t personally think there is much to this story, but it would be an easy one to put to rest.

    Not defending Obama. I’m not voting for him. But about the birth certificate thing, just saying it should be pretty easily resolvable with the right documentation.

  • http://vanlorihome.blogspot.com/ vanlori

    Looks like allot of you people know nothing about BC, copies of BC or replacement copies of BC. My husband ordered a copy of his BC from NY. He was born in Manhattan to an American born Italian father and an Italian born nationalized mother. They were married when he was born, as they were when his sister, two years older than he, was. We had ordered it to get the correct way to spell his mother’s legal name and because he had lost his original copy. We were shocked, to say the least, when it arrived and all it gave was the date of his birth, the place of his birth and his name. Nothing else at all was on it. Especially missing was his parent’s name. Now, does that make my husband a liar? I think not.
    I had ordered a copy of mine, as well, since I too, had lost my copy. I was born in Brooklyn, yet both were ordered from the central Registrar in NYC. Mine came in with all the expected information, including the Hospital I was born in, my weight, length and time of birth. Why the huge difference? No one, not even the Registrar’s office could answer our questions. Both documents have been accepted by many legal institutions as proof of our births. You all need to look to the source of these slanders of Obama and ask yourselves why? Why are they so against this man. The only real answer I can come up with is that they are afraid to have a Black Man in the Oval Office and, in MHO, that is just plain old racism. Before you think I’m an Obama fan, black or anything else you can dream up, I will say I was for Hillary, I’m a married 56 year old white woman. Hillary’s run for office was very inspiring to me, but it’s over. I was very disappointed but, I listened to her final speech. Besides feeling extremely proud of her and the 18,000,000 cracks in the ceiling, I took to heart what she had to say and I will be voting for Obama. Ain’t no way in heck I’d vote for a Republican. Not now, or ever.
    If this blogger was writing for a legitimate newspaper, they would have no choice but to fire him. Never saw such penned crap in my life, I’m sad to say.

  • Laura

    Africa is a continent not a country.

  • Gypsy

    mel — I agree with you. There’s NEVER one issue as you and I know. I am extremely angry at the DNC. As a matter of fact, I just this evening printed out the form to change my party affiliation to “Independent.” I know, as if anybody cares. The point is, I or “we” can send a signal, yes? However, not with this BC and LS nonsense, it’s just plain old stupid, and I think we’re ALL (or should be) smarter than that!

    Hang in there, I know I am. But, I am the eternal optimist (or jerk) everything that should unveil itself, will, within the next couple of months. And, if not, our bad but DON’T GIVE UP HOPE AND DON’T PASS ON STUPID RUMORS!

    I like the way you think, because, you actually,
    THINK!

  • Darryl

    If you blow up the immage there is a time stamp on the reverse side that looks like it says 2007. Just an FYI

  • Darryl

    Also, here is a link to what a Birth Certificate in Hawaii looks like from around that time.

    ….http://www.tracyskarate.com/History/clara2.JPG….

  • latent energy

    According to Muslim law, if a child is born from Muslim parents, the child is a Muslim eternally.

    If that child forsakes Islam at ant stage of his/her life, that child is an apostate.

    The penalty for apostate is death sentence.

    Obama has no choice but to revert to Muslim again if Obama wants to avoid the death penalty imposed by the Muslim world.

    Sorry, Mr Senator Obama, you were born not to be the president of the USA.

    Blame your late Kenyan Muslim parent and the law of Koran.

  • NITEOWL

    Obama was probably born in Hawaii, but you need a bc to prove you are a U.S. citizen. I was born in the U.K. my father was born in the U.S. and was stationed in the U.K. My mother is Brit. born citizen. I was not born on a U.S. base and cannot run for President, even though one of my parents is a U.S. citizen. Obama could easily end this by showing a legit legal document showing he was born in U.S. state or territory.

    • Pragmatist

      You actually can run for President. You were a citizen at birth and that is all that is required.
      Also, if you scroll to the top you will see that Obama has supplied the very document you call for him to show. An official hawaii birth certificate.

      • AJSHOPE

        Are you retarded? Anyone who is born abroad to only one U.S. citizen, CANNOT run for President of the United States (unless they were born 5 years after their (U.S. citizen’s) parent’s 16th birthday). They are U.S. citizens, but not natural born U.S. citizens. The Constitution clearly states that you must be a NATURAL BORN U.S. citizen. If he was in fact born in the U.S., then he would be eligible to be the President, but not if he was born in another country.

        • workingclass artist

          Correct. POTUS has to born on Native Soil. McCain was born on a US Military Base which like US Embassies are recognized as extensions of US Soil. This question has come up before earlier in the 20th c. with candidates that were born in states that were territories at the time.

          *** Why is it such a problem to ask….Why is Obama exempt ? ***

      • tj coleman

        You need to do some research troll. Go pull up the constitution and look at the section on qualifications to be president. There are a few more then just being born in the US. Since you are highly intellegent I am sure you can find the link without my help.

        Problem with trolls is they only think with half their brains.

  • Pragmatist

    Wow! Larry – you’re the guy who made up the “whitey” smear – you know the one where five of your friends swore they knew people who saw the tape which, in fact, does not exist. (By the way, why don’t you release the names of your 5 friends?). Even Michelle Malkin said “Larry Johnson cannot be trusted.” Now you put out this silly thing when all you had to do was call the Department of health in Hawaii and they would have told you that this is the proper form.
    All you are telling me is that you cannot make an argument for McCain and you cannot make an argument against Obama so you have to make up an argument instead.
    People like you who hate the values our nationwas built on should move to Iran.

    • kat in your hat

      Pragmatist:

      How do you know the tape does not exist as a “fact”? You don’t. Anything damning wouldn’t even come out until after the convention and probably not even until the fall time if the ‘presumptive’ nominee becomes the official nominee.

      –Also, I believe I read that Larry isn’t for McCain.

  • TheFinalNail

    As of June 13, 2008, I may not be the first (but will probably be in the top 5) on the Internets to bring to light one of America’s top Security issues facing us today. Unless this information is proven wrong, Mr. Larry Johnson did not seek, and was not granted written or verbal permission from Mr. Moses Horwitz (a.k.a. Howard) or his estate to copy the late Mr. Horwitz’s hair style. You know the ‘bowl-cut’ look, which was Mr. Horwitz’s trademark.

    From what I have gleaned through an intensive investigation (again unless this information is proven wrong) is that, Mr. Johnson has ‘refused’ the many requests to provide ‘any’ documentary proof whatsoever of Mr. Horwitz’s or his estates release, to wear his trademarked bowl-cut.

    Now, from what I understand, the only way Mr. Johnson could legally skirt this highly volatile issue is to be at least 78% bald, and wear a toupee. To determine the percentage they calculate a person’s total hair follicles. So, the most logical visual conclusion is that Mr. Johnson is at least 78% bald, because of the many hundreds of photographs examined; his hair just doesn’t have that real look to it. If his hair turns out be genuine, he’s in deep-doo-doo, and really folks, what idiot would wear it that way in the 2008? Oh, wait; I forgot who the subject of this was… my bad.

    The point of this post is dedicated to the mindless dildo heads on this site that eat up every tiny bit of B.S. put forth on here by its three main contributors, as if they were based on 100% FACTS. Yeah, right.

    This is the final nail in Mr. Johnson’s lack of credibility, and Obama put it there! Mr. Johnson’s lies about the ‘Whitey’ tape and now they got you on this ‘Birth Certificate’ caper. This is the end of ‘NoQuarterusa.net’ ‘NoCredibilityusa.net’; Mr. Johnson might want to secure the net name of ‘NoCredibilityusa.net’ now.

    The Obama camp pulled this off so cleanly, that Mr. Johnson must have let his ‘Moe’ cut prove once and for all, that he really is the Stooge of all STOOGES!!

    Hopefully the mindless dildo heads on here will know this is directed to them too… then again… maybe not.

    • Nobama

      Very clever. While you’re at home fighting the internet battle on behalf of Obama, am I off to work to keep the roof over your head?

      When Obama gets us into more trouble than Jimmy Carter, will you do some international blogging to defend America? Courageous!

      Obviously you haven’t gotten out into the real world yet.

      Its sad when someone seeking to attain the highest office in the land needs some kids to defend his honor on the internet. Poor guy, needs to hide behind kids and his wife so people don’t question him.

  • Robot

    I was a Clinton supporter, but this is nonsense.

    I was born around the time of Obama, and have lost my original birth certificate, so I needed to get a copy.

    My copy looks very much like this certificate, and contains just as little information. And it also includes one mistake.

    This appears to be a valid document. And it’s all Senator Obama needs to prove his natural born status.

    There are still many things to criticize Obama about.

    This isn’t one of them.

  • Nobama

    Where did this thing come from, are they serious?

    Rather than simply answering the question they come up with something that leads to more questions. He’s not even POTUS yet!

    Every time the Obama folks pull another one of these shenanigans I think of Obamas sly flip off of Hillary that they all deny.

    I’m starting to wonder if Obama is really Rosemary’s baby.

  • Bigtime

    Wonder if Larry Sinclair swallowed or spit? Wonder if Rezko will turn and flip? Wonder if Nobama will move the MSNBC, CNN, NBC operations to Chicago also? Wonder if the orange Cult-aid will wear off? Wonder if the children’s attention span will wane? Wonder how many people have changed party affiliation over the RBC theft?

    Lots of questions need answers.

  • Poor White

    How can Obama’s mother let him name as Barack Hussien Obama? She was either forced to name him like that by his dicator father or she converted to islam to name him like that.

    I am not against Islam, but I think hiding truth for political gains is not ethical.

  • Caya

    This is laughable, there is no way this is authentic.

    i don’t want to say all the reasons why because i don’t want to give them advice on how to create a better fake but I will just say – fact: a scan (flatbed or drum) has distortion and this has none. I don’t know why they would actually put out such a sloppy piece of work. You would think they have access to better skilled help, maybe they’re gonna release a “real” version next. Any hack with Photoshop could do this – and most would do a better job.

    • Caya

      To be more clear – when I say distortion I am not talking about the difference in pixel ratio (which also exists) – I am talking about the perfect horizontals & verticals.

      • Gypsy

        STOP IT! WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO PROVE OR GAIN? And, you will NEVER have any proof!

        You do know that the earth is round? You do know that the USA landed a man on the moon in 1969?

        STOP IT — it’s beneath you.

  • Centrocitta

    My original American birth certificate from Delaware is filed in the anagrafe’s office in the town in Italy where my grand-parents were born, along with the rest of my family documents for those who never emigrated to the USA. My American birth certificate also contains the Apostile of the Secretary of State of Delaware. Last year, I ordered another copy of my birth certificae for my own records and it’s not the same. It’s similar to what Larry has shown in this thread. If you want to see a copy of Obama’s original birth certificate, ask the Secretary of State of Hawaii to affix his/her authorative state Apostile to it and give you all a copy. Good Luck!! LOL.

  • researchguy66

    My authorized birth certificate from the State of Pennsylvania looks nothing like my original birth certificate. It looks much like this one above, with the exception of coloring including the Seal of the Commonwealth in the background.

    I can see the point of continuing the investigation, but there’s clearly not as much mileage in allegations since he’s ponied up something.

    Just my 2 cents.

    • Centrocitta

      It’s really very simple. Depending on what the need is, one can ask the state (any state in USA) for either a long-form BC or a short-form BC. In my case, because I was asking Italy to recognize me as it’s citizen through blood, I needed the long-form (with Secretary of State Apostile) to show the blood connection between myself, my father and his father in Italy.

      Obama is not required to show such a connection in order to be the Democratic candidate and that’s why he has only made his short-form BC public. The short-form shows he was born in Hawaii on American soil and that’s all anybody needs to know.

  • Centrocitta

    The birth certificate that requires the Apostile of the Secretary of State is called the Long-Form. The Long-Form contains background information about the parents, such as name, place of birth and occupation. Since it’s already proved that Obama was born in the USA, he doesn’t have to give you the background on his father. Obama is the American running for president — NOT his father. The short-form birth certificate is all that Obama need make public. Get over it.

  • Michelle

    Larry Johnson,

    We know you were the person who started the “Michelle Obama ‘whitey’ tape smear”.

    Did you also start the “Obama is a Muslim and went to school in a Madrassa” smear?

    Word in the blogosphere that the person who started the latter rumor during the Democratic primary was you. In an AP article it is said that the person who originated this was an ex-CIA agent who is a Hillary supporter.

    SHAME ON YOU FOR DOING THAT. There is a HUGE difference to go after Obama for what he has done or personally said but to make up rumors is DOWN RIGHT EVIL and you should be called on it.

    STOP YOUR SMEAR CAMPAIGN.

    • Centrocitta

      ……In an AP article it is said that the person who originated this was an ex-CIA agent who is a Hillary supporter. SHAME ON YOU FOR DOING THAT. There is a HUGE difference to go after Obama for what he has done or personally said but to make up rumors is DOWN RIGHT EVIL and you should be called on it……

      Nobody is more evil than that blonde-haired Jewess from Austin, Texas who nearly got herself decapitated.

      • ulahane

        “that blonde-haired Jewess” Smoking a little of the anti-Semite hopium today?

    • Gypsy

      EXACTLY! Thanks!

  • Sammie

    I obtained a copy of my birth certificate as an adult because the original had been lost, and although the style etc. was updated and looked more modern than the original, it still included much more information than the one provided for Senator Obama. I’m a little surprised by some of the information that is missing, and would at the very least suggest that someone contact the appropriate Department in Hawaii to see if the birth “certification” is legitimate.

    The wallet sized certificates contain less information (obviously due to their size), but I can’t understand why a full sized certificate wouldn’t contain more information.

  • cb
    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

      troll

  • mark

    I for one would not know what a birth certificate from HI would look like.
    But I do know when text has been pasted on top of another document, very easy to spot. Just look at the vertical green lines with words over top of them, look at the word BIRTH, the vertical green line should be visible in the round part of the R and its not.

    Why is this altered document being shown on his “official” site, if you want to squelch a smear, using an altered document is not how you go about doing it.

    • Caya

      What a JOKE! My husband & I both work and teach in this field and you would be hard pressed to find a single Prof to say this is unaltered. If they support BO they would have to say something like ‘Oh, they must have tried to clean it up’ or something but this is a Joke! I can’t even understand why they would put out such a piece of crap. All I can come up with is that they put this out there to see what all the debunking is so that they can later produce a better version with all debunked remarks taken into count. It sounds crazy but I just can’t understand why they would produce such a ridiculous piece of work.

  • Pol C

    It seems like it would be very easy to resolve all of this. Just petition the State of Hawaii for a copy of the original documentation under the Freedom of Information Act. As there is a Constitutional requirement for natural-born citizenship to become President, there is a compelling public interest in this information. That should trump any access restrictions in Hawaii law, shouldn’t it?

    • ulahane

      Sadly no. The privacy act of 1974 prevents this. A court order would almost certainly be needed.

  • PacoDeLambera

    Larry, You are a p.o.s. muckraker. The only possible ‘news’ to come from your site will be when your teeny, little head explodes. But please don’t stop your bleating. This is better than the funny-papers.

  • blk4hillary

    I looked at mine and i am 18 years younger than Obama and his looks more modern than mine. I am on the verge of pledging my support for him but I will say to his supporters on here. The fact that there is no seal is problematic. Hopefully this is only on Kos and not on his new site because it would make me more suspicious of him. So I will just say the Kos document is fake, maybe Obama has the real one. If he cant produce something better than this then I am thinking we have a real problem here.

  • Jonathan Young

    You are sitting in a chair in an office somewhere and saying that you know that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen…somehow the entire U.S. political machine has failed to expose his deception but you _know_ he “ain’t from America”….wow. You are so awesome! In fact, you must be psychic! Because you didn’t _research_ anything you just KNEW! Amazing. Truly.

    - jonathan

  • http://chriss chris

    If any documents still exist that are original, my guess is the Obama folks took care of them long ago. Do you all remember who he is associated with? I would think they took care of the evidence and are just messin with all of us. He is a vile candidate and how he keeps going is unbelievable. It really is scary. I still am hoping something for sure provable happens before August so Hillary gets another shot. She’s the one who makes the most sense and we all have seen the Clinton “hiccups” already so she is very transparent. We’ve known her for a long time and same with J. McC. Obama, not clean at all and it has nothing to do with race. I just hope the undercover operatives for Hil or John have their game face on an get to some real evidence before the bad guys find it. Teh end of this could be very bad if they don’t. JMHO. CJ

  • blk4hillary

    OMG this is on his official site. This document is not authentic. I am at work now but surely someone here can get us a Jane Doe type of example of what a birth certificate in Hawaii circa 1961 looked like

  • Al

    Anyone who thinks Obama has faked his birth cert. is crazy and, I mean,

    certifiably

    crazy! Sounds like whoever runs this blog is trying to stir up racist crap for the notoriety.

    I’m white, grew up in the US Army and was born on a military base in the US. Until I was 54 (fifty four)I didn’t have a birth certificate with my first name on it. This happens more than you think. I needed a passport recently and needed a birth certificate with my full name on it. I wrote to the Bureau of Vital Stats in the state I was born, filled out an Amendment to the Birth Certificate form, changed my middle name, had a sibling witness it along with a bank teller, mailed it in with the fee charged by the state along with a photocopy of my driver’s licence and SS# and got two brand new birth certificates that look eerily similar to Barack Hussein Obama’s.

    Anyone who thinks Obama’s is “fake” is out of their cotton-pickin’ minds. That includes everyone who wrote here trying to stir crap up about it. Fight terrorism like a man and stop trying to sound like Joe McCarthy in the 19-fifties. Next thing you know, you’ll be advocating the imprisonment of anyone who wears glasses because they might be an “intellectual.”

    • blk4hillary

      AL, you are missing the point, the document listed is a fake. There are certain things a birth certificate must have to coincide with federal laws and standards. I was born 18 years after Obama and his looks way more modern. Traditionally getting a newer version of an older certificate still would basically be a copy of an old document. it would be obvious and would include a seal. This isnt about a name change man, its about authenticity

      • rosie

        blk4hillar, then how do you explain the birth certificate my birth state issued me about 25 years after I was born, when I needed one for a passport?

        It has less info on it than the document shown above for Obama, plus mone is on new paper and looks nothing like they did when I was born in 1962, which is only one year after BO. The seal on mine is just a printed seal, just as the one on BO’s is and says “Certificate of Birth”. It’s missing most of the info my kids’ birth certificates have, and has even less than Obamas, but theirs are the original ones I got right after they were born.

        • blk4hillary

          Rosie, cover the private parts and scan it and lets take a look. I just wanted to see examples of this. If you follow my posts i am trying to train myself to support obama, i just dont trust that he is an honest as he makes himself out to be. Since he denied the whitey tape i was going to hop on board but everytime i look around its something new with this guy

    • Gypsy

      THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I said basically the same thing in the wee hours, but to no avail, apparently!

  • http://bentcorner.com Rick Rottman

    Hawaii had laser printers in 1961?

    Do they honestly think this document is from 1961? Even Dan Rather wouldn’t have fallen for this.

  • Linda C.

    I sent this link to my niece. Her youngest was born in Hawaii and I asked her to look at it. So hopefully we will get a better answer from someone who possess an Hawaiian birth certificate.

    I still don’t understand why it was posted on Kos first and how they got it. That is probably another story. You can order up anything online for about a hundred dollars. So we shall see if someone just ordered one and planted it there or what is going on.

    • http://adolfobama.org David Axisrutt

      I still don’t understand why it was posted on Kos first and how they got it.

      Oh that’s easy. Markos works for Obama. ;)

  • blk4hillary

    Thats true man because mine from 28 yeas ago is a copy of a document that was filled in with a type writer. There is a seal and two different signatires actually three of people besides my parents. I am trying to get on The Obama bandwagon but all of this info makes it so hard. To Jonathan above, Obama has gotten rid of all of his competition before they could dig into his past and citizenship issues arent relevant until you run for the whitehouse so previous campaigns may not have went that route. If Obama hadnt sleezed his way into being unopposed in 96 he wouldnt have been on the seen now. Notice in 2000 when he ran for congress, chicago rejected his candicacy big time. The one time he couldnt get his dirty tricks to stick he lost.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    Yes, the following is true. I recently picked up a copy of an original birth certificate for a $25 fee -surely the OB campaign can afford to get a copy of his original BC, not this “summary” – he’s running for POTUS!!!!

    Comment by s. hall | 2008-06-13 01:38:25

    makarov–the point is a birth certificate exists for all of us who were born in this country. As you said, the only time you need to show it is when you get married, get a passport or apply for Social Security. But birth certificates are readily available by paying a small amount of money to the state and then writing away to get an original copy which comes stamped for authenticity. The fact that Obama doesn’t seem to have an original birth certificate means he was not born in this country.

    • Centrocitta

      In order to get a copy of your original BC, which contains the background information of your parents, such as their place of birth and occupation, you need to state the reason you are requesting this type of long-form birth certificate, which cannot be released without the Apostile of the Secretary of State.

      If your reason is to prove you were born in the USA to get a job, get married, apply for social security or run for elected office, including POTUS, you will get the short form without background info on parents.

      You WILL get a long-form if you are trying to prove your blood relation to a lost parent or other ancestor. Aside from that, nobody gets a copy of a long-form birth certificate.

      LET IT REST, FOOLS!

  • Linda C.

    Has anyone noticed the faint blue ink “stamp” line in the lower right hand quadrant. It look like backward type. Any clue..can’t make it all out other than the first number appears to be a reversed 7

  • JustinD

    I know that Obama was born in 1961 but I wanted to share the info presented on a pre-statehood birth certificate from Hawaii. I was born in Hawaii in 1951 when it was still a territory. I know from relatives born after 1960 that there’s a lot more info on a certificate (similar to mine) than what Obama’s shows. My 1951 certificate has the following fields:

    1 a, b, c: first, middle, and last name
    2: sex
    3: single, twin or triplet
    4: if twin or triplet, which order born?
    5 a, b: date and time born
    6 a, b, c: city of birth, county of birth, hospital of birth
    7 a, b, c, d, e: mother’s residence city, county, state, street address, maritime addresss
    8: father’s full name
    9: father’s race
    10: father’s age
    11: father’s birthplace
    12 a, b: father’s occupation, kinds of business
    13: full maiden name of mother
    14: mother’s race
    15: mother’s birthplace
    16: mother’s age
    17: signature of parent
    18: date of 17 signature
    19: signature of attendant
    20: date of 19 signature
    21: date accepted by loc. reg.
    22: signature of local registrar
    23: date accepted by reg. gen.

    • http://adolfobama.org David Axisrutt

      Holy shit. But that’s the original, right?

  • PKat

    KEEP IT UP!!! OBAMA SMEAR RECRUITS!!!
    You blogging here only reinforces my disdain for you and your nominee. I despise your tactics and your antics. You reinforce my decision that my vote will never go to Obama no matter how you try to stop this movement. We won’t waste our vote on anyone else but McCain, just for intruding you stupid tactic of trying to silence our voice. I can’t wait until we all are shown this video of Michele Obama “keeping racism alive” and making matters worse that they ever could be for racial unity.

    I guarantee, we will have to have a black person on the democratic ticket from this point onward. Either Pres. or VP, one will have to be black or the blacks will riot.

    Rue the day.

    • maria

      oh, I am crying.

  • Linda C.

    I actually beleive that Obama is a US citizen just in the same way I don’t think he is a Muslim.

    It can also be a possibility that Obama didn’t release this “birth certificate”since it showed up on Kos.

    • http://adolfobama.org David Axisrutt

      Yeah but Markos would always cross check with Axelrod. Unless of course this popped up in a discussion thread and it wasn’t Markos himself.

  • Zimeeisme

    This is obviously fake. Why would Kos be the ones to have it?

    Come on people…show better judgment than your “Chosen One”.

  • tj coleman

    Hey Who Can Order?

    A certified copy of a Hawaii birth certificate is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:

    the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
    the registrant’s spouse;
    the registrant’s parent(s);
    a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
    a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
    a legal guardian of the registrant;
    a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
    a personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
    a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is tion; and
    adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents

    Looks like the DNC or just about anyone could clear this up.

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  • http://adolfobama.org David Axisrutt

    One thing’s certain: if this fake and if Barky’s caught out faking it and/or being complicit in its manufacture then Barky is total toast and he and Axelrod know it.

  • PKat

    cdnblaze…..Obama’s coming, Lick his boots.

  • mr bill

    You people are pathetic and Larry, frankly, you sound more like a GOP wingnut operative than a Hillary supporter. You all embarass Hillary with all your racist rantings. Unlike the rest of you, I’ll be taking the lead with Hillary and will work my butt off to make sure that a Democrat is in the White House. We don’t need a third Bush term.

    • tj coleman

      The only racist ratntings that are here are from the trolls. If you had not noticed this was a dscussion on his BC not on his race. You seem like a nice troll, dont be pulled into the troll race bait tactic.

  • tj coleman

    Sorry for the typos all havent had much sleep.

  • OldLadyfromWyoming

    The Hawaii birth Certificate for Barack Obama says on the top “certification of live birth”. get your hate rantings correct; you don’t have any facts. Obama will make a fine president.

  • Grumpy Code Monkey

    Are you seriously claiming that this is supposed to be Barack’s original birth certificate? Good Lord, is this what you’re reduced to?

    I have a similar “Certification of Birth” that I keep in my wallet (I needed it to apply for a certain job). It has:

    1. The certificate number
    2. My name
    3. My date of birth
    4. My sex
    5. My place of birth (county)
    6. My father’s name
    7. My mother’s name
    8. The date the original was filed
    9. The date the copy was issued

    It does not have

    1. Attending physician signature or license number
    2. Address for the attending physician or hospital
    3. Parent signature
    4. Parent DOB or age of parent or parent place of birth.
    5. Father’s race (or mother’s race)
    6. Was this a single birth or multiple birth.

    It does have the current state registrar’s name and signature.

    This is clearly not my original birth certificate, but this “certification” has been good enough to get me a passport and a security clearance. ALL THAT’S NECESSARY IS THE CERTIFICATE NUMBER; if that’s valid in the state’s records, then the “certification” is just as valid as the original document that has my footprints on it.

    Jesus Christ people, get a fucking grip.

    • Shalene

      you need to carry a big piece of “Certification of Birth” for a job? what a joke!

      • Grumpy Code Monkey

        Yes, there are some jobs (particularly those requiring a security clearance) where you have to provide proof of citizenship in order to be hired, one form of which is a certified copy of a birth certificate (a current U.S. passport also works). I’ve had to do this dance several times throughout my career.

  • steveeboy

    it’s official,

    you people are officially batshit crazy.

    like right-wing conspiracy theory dumbfucking nuts!

    You’re no different from the freepers and their efforts to find “kerning” in bush’s ANG letters of counseling and files.

    Kos had it cause the obama campaign provided it to him.

    Even the right-wingers at NATIONAL REVIEW acknowledge it is real.

    I am really getting convinced this is actually a right-wing ratfucking operation and that the moderator and his fellow trolls/commenters are actually GOP operatives.

    either that or larry johnson is one of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

    Obama is a citizen, he provides a legal document from Hawaii that proves it.

    Larry Johnson talks about some bullshit tape, never produces it, and then starts challenging obama’s birth certificate.

    you people really need to get a grip.

    • educatedwhitewoman

      The document that he provided is not a copy of his birth certificate! He is running for the POTUS and has plenty of money to put down the minimal fee to have copy of his ORIGINAL and COMPLETE birth certificate made and present it to the American people. What information contained within the actual birth certificate is he trying to hide? If not, show us the REAL THING – not some alleged summary.

      • mr bill

        Jeez, educatedwhitewoman, get a grip and quit living in conspiracy land. A copy of a birth certificate is legit. Period. Do you carry around your original birth certificate? I sure don’t. I don’t even think I’ve ever had mine. If you do carry it around with you, it makes we wonder where you got your education from. Nobody’s that stupid.

        Look, if you want to vote for a third Bush term, be my guest. If you want to stay want us to stay in Iraq for 100 years, McCain’s your guy. Everything that Hillary believes in will go down the tubes, including Roe v Wade and meaningful health care. If you really believe in what Hillary was campaigning for, hold your nose and vote Democratic. I’m sure millions of Obama supporters would have done likewise if Hillary had won the nomination.

        • normita

          Mr. Bill, please step under the bus. A BC is a benign document, why can we not see it? This is not about conspiracy. This is a simple request. Now why on earth would this Bozo have a copy of this man’s BC if in fact this is his BC? Troll.

        • Hope

          You don’t think you’ve ever had yours?..a non issue really, since you’re not running for POTUS.

        • blk4hillary

          mr bill. where did you get that original line from. a third bush term huh. I would buy that if John Mc Cain wasnt consistently breaking with his republican colleagues on key legislation. Why is it ok to use wreckless attacks against republicans but heinous when it happens to us. Come on now. Mc Cain is nothing like Bush and any honest democrat would tell you that

          • maria

            Oh yes, McCain’s 95% record of voting with Bush and his 0% NARAL rating show that he is a REAL “MAVERICK”.

            You folks are clearly unhinged.

      • Jody

        Yes. It IS his birth certificate. You guys are trying too hard. Your anger and/or racism has gotten the better of you. Please stop.

        • blk4hillary

          Jody, this idea of anyone who is against obama is racist needs to cease. I am black, and i think he is a complete fraud and the evidence supports my suspicions. HIllary no Bill ever once said anything demeaning about Obama yet a simple criticism was turned into racism… GIVE me a break. Now i will show u racism. come take a ride with me everyday.

    • Centrocitta

      …..either that or larry johnson is one of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet……

      And not only THAT. He has plenty of hair but he shaves his head and puts on that Wig. It’s a disguise!

  • Grumpy Code Monkey

    Just to clarify my rant above: that “certification” that I carry in my wallet is considered proof of US citizenship. I’ve had to provide such proof to apply for jobs in the past. It’s not a photocopy of the original document, but it is just as valid.

    If any of you go your state registrar and ask for a copy of your birth certificate, the document you get will most likely look a lot like what’s on Barack’s site, and not be a photocopy of the original.

    • educatedwhitewoman

      Wrong. In my state they give you a photocoy of the original. Post 9/11, a summmary will not get you a U.S. passport – you need a copy of the real thing.

      • Grumpy Code Monkey

        I’ve been searching the U.S. code for such a provision and haven’t found anything like that; AFAIK, the language simply calls for a “certified” birth certificate, where “certified” means signed and embossed by the state registrar. The State Dept. Web site does note that certain “summary” forms are not sufficient for passport purposes, but I haven’t seen anything that requires a photocopy of the original document.

      • tj coleman

        That is correct ! You must have an original with a raised seal for almost any type of ID to include a new DL. They will not take a copy

    • tj coleman

      hmm, well my childrens BC look similar to BOs but it is for Florida. It does say certification of live birth. There is a signiture at the bottom L hand side with the state seal.(Florida). My Maiden name is on the certificate also.

      When I recently requested my BC for my new DL I was issued a copy of the original document with my mothers signiture. It looks nothing like this one or my childrens. Since BO and I were born in the same decade it would seem his should be similar in fasion to mine. It is possible for the state to have a different format, but even my spouses looked like mine and he was born in a different state.

      BTW if the seal is on the back why cant we see the back? This would clarify alot.

  • http://www.obama-wire.com Sam

    **News Update**

    *Rezko’s Mansion Heading For Foreclosure*

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    Your only source for breaking the media’s generous coverage of the Obama candidacy.

  • KG

    Open the jpeg file in Hex Editor. The file was created/saved by Adobe Photoshop, on a Macintosh, 6/12/2008 at 08:42.

    • KG

      Or you can even open in Notepad or Wordpad and get the same info.

    • Grumpy Code Monkey

      Most likely to redact the cert number. Unless you think the original document has a big black bar where the cert number should be.

      Do you people stop to think before posting?

      • Grumpy Code Monkey

        Duh, I’m an idiot (and not taking my own advice). The mere act of scanning the document means a file has to be created, either from Photoshop or whatever.

  • KG

    I forgot to add that it showed up at Kos at Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:44:37 AM PDT.

  • http://www.obama-wire.com Sam

    Obama-Wire.Com = Victor Over Kos

    Obama-Wire.Com bc the supporters of this candidate needs a reality check

  • GammaSigmer

    Yes I’m from Hawaii and I have a COPY of my birth certificate for use in getting passports, etc. It looks exactly like the BO one online (but not like my misplaced original, which looked a microfilmed document with signatures).

    The Hawaii State Dept. of Health can issue this form almost immediately from their database, whereas the old style took weeks or more to get.

    In addition to the laser-printed data, there is, on the back, an embossed seal of the State of Hawaii, a stamped “I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health” with the stamped signature of the State Registrar and a stamped date of issue.

    So — this is not the form that the parents sign after a live birth at the hospital but it is a facsimile that suffices for official purposes where you need a ‘birth certificate.’

    • blk4hillary

      now Gamma that i can accept. There you go, its real. now if Obama wants to release a more detailed one that would be better.

      • Grumpy Code Monkey

        Why? Isn’t this good enough?

        What more do you need?

        Do you also need to see a copy of McCain’s birth certificate? After all, he wasn’t born in the Continental US, either.

        • tj coleman

          Mccain was born on a military installation in Panama. Thus on US soil to two american parents. He is a natural citizen by the constitution of the U.S. Go look at the constitution and you will see it right there. His has already been proven by congress.

          Go look it up troll!!

          • Grumpy Code Monkey

            That’s my point; Obama was also born on U.S. soil and is therefore also a U.S. citizen (note that there is no requirement in the 14th amendment for either parent to be a citizen). Yet for some reason we’re fixated on Obama’s birth certificate, but not McCain’s.

            I simply find that curious. Why the one, but not the other?

            • tj coleman

              Actually that is not exactly true: Ive tried to hylite the areas below. It really depends on where he was born and to whom. I find the no signiture to be the biggest issue on the certificate.
              Thanks for the response though

              Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

              Anyone born inside the United States
              Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
              Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
              Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
              Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
              Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
              A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
              Anyone falling into these categories is

              As you can see its all based on the BC information and if it is accurate.

              http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

              • Grumpy Code Monkey

                Hawaii became a state in 1959. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961; the section you highlighted doesn’t apply to him. It would apply to McCain, but there’s never been a question of his citizenship.

    • Shalene

      But why we from other states here have “Certificate of Live Birth”, and you Hawaiii have “Certification of Live Birth”?

      • Grumpy Code Monkey

        My Texas wallet-sized copy says “Certification of Birth.”

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  • Zimeeisme

    I haven’t had a minute to check on this or not…but I heard that Obamas smear site has a link to the Kos document.

    But just check out this from national radio about what should be on an Hawaiian birth certificate plus other stuff:

    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDJhNmI5MDIwMjYwMDI3ZTE5NjQ1YmYyOWM3Nzc1Mzk=

    If the one shown is a new copy that was requested, then it should be certified and/or signed and there is no reason to black out the number at the top.

  • Zimeeisme

    The certification should be on the front, that is what that empty space if for no?

  • paul_lukasiak

    okay, I don’t know if anyone else has brougth this up, but…

    “Mather’s Maiden Name”?!?!

    That just seems really odd to me… especialy since “Mother’s name” is not a category….

    unless that is what appeared in the rather large space underneath the madien name

    (I mean, why so much empty space between the name and the race?)

    • Grumpy Code Monkey

      Why would having the mother’s maiden name on a BC be odd?

      That’s what appears on mine.

  • Shalene

    i checked my daughter and my son’s. both of them are “Certificate of Live Birth”.

  • Printer Bill

    I’m in the printing trade. If you notice the form is recent because it has a revision date of 11/01. There is a faint reversed date showing though on the scan which appears to the date JUN 8 2007. This form is not an original or a copy of an original birth certificate, although if born in Hawaii, an original should exist. It is simply a legal substitute. The original would normally include the doctor’s name and the hospital name.
    I have no idea whether this is real, but all you would need is safety paper, a good scanner, laser printer, a page layout program and the State of Hawaii logo.

    • Misstickly

      Looks like ‘Jan 6′ to me…but could be ‘jun 8′ I suppose. But why abbreviate ‘June?’

  • Misstickly

    For whatever it’s worth, the writing that is reversed out toward the bottom right and printed on the back says “JAN -6 2007″ in case anyone else noticed it. I am a graphic designer did a little color leveling in photoshop to be sure.

  • felix polanski

    I don’t get it. I really just don’t get it. Not only is this particular bit of info a complete non issue since his elligability has never been in question, but the bringing up of his father’s religion or his own birth record authenticity seems to be one more attempt to smear him as a ‘scary dark foreigner’. What throws me the most is that ‘Die Hard Hillary Supporters” would rather not vote in a presidential election or worse yet, vote for a conservative, neo-con supported, fundamental religious pandering candidate who wants to continue the mess we’ve lived with for 7+ years.

    You are all either working with Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos or you are sheep leading yourselves to a political slaughter in order to make a ‘statement’. Either way it’s sad and frustrating.

    • Jim (Victim of Obama Crony Identity Theft)

      Who the hell do you think you are attempting to take the moral highground here?! You are a part of the same camp that willingly sabotaged and smeared an ex-president and the former first lady with the help of the Republicans, and now you have the fucking nerve to climb up on your pedestal and judge us for feeling betrayed?! Go back to your phony Jesus and continue censoring and posing as others for him. Go back to bashing everyone who runs against him and those who don’t like him. Yes, it’s all just racism. Sure, it’s really that simple. But I suppose you would believe that since you believe everything that comes out of Obama’s mouth. All he has to do is smile, look pretty and repeat the words Hope and Change, and you’re his, just like that. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

      “Fight the Smears!” And by smears they mean “the Truth”.

  • maria

    Oh but wait! I thought African Arab Muslims were hatched from pods not “born” like True Patriots are from the sacred wombs of their flag waving American mommies. This document MUST be a fraud! What more do Americans need to see to understand that Obama really is Bin Laden’s spawn! Why if you switch the “B” in Obama to an “S”, it spells Osama! Why hasn’t anyone pointed that out here- it is so simple! And I also heard that his little girls are Marxists! And they hate Santa Claus!

  • normita

    His eligibility is being questioned. Do you not understand the rules for being POTUS?

    • sleepy

      His eligibility is only being questioned by you and several dozen bloggers.

      You can question whether the moon landings were real too, and you certainly have that right, but don’t expect your desire to be elevated to something beyond what it is.

  • SergeiRostov

    The real point of this is that a smart politician/campaigner anticipates things like this by doing “opposition researach” on themselves, and either gets ahead of them, or is instantly ready with a response, depending on the circumstances.
    Obama doesn’t seem to be very good at this at all, which is a bad sign for the GE.

    (The Clintons, on the other hand, are pretty damn good at this…but not even they thought that a self-described progressive Democrat would stoop so low as to falsely accuse them of being racists….)

  • John

    Reading through this thread is like watching the blind leading the blind.

    (1) unless they were born in Hawaii in 1961, it’s completely irrelevant what it says on your or your kid’s or your grandmother’s dentist’s cousin’s birth certificate. States (and counties) have their own rules, and they change from time to time.

    (2) you can inherit citizenship from either parent provided you (and they) meet certain residency rules. See Sect. 301 of the immigration code. You’re considered a citizen at birth. It’s not clear if this satisfies the Constitution’s “natural born” requirement. McCain would have the same question.

    (3) Hawaii was a state in 1961.

    (4) if Obama’s certificate is a modern copy, discussion of typewriters in 1961 is pointless. Some places issue an actual copy; some just issue a certificate stating “here’s what’s in our records”. Again, unless you were born in Hawaii in 1961, what your state does is irrelevant.

    (4) if Obama has a passport, he would have needed a valid birth certificate or appropriate substitute. If they were satisfied, what’s left to question?

  • TheReezen

    I have my Certification of Birth from Pennsylvania. It is not the original BC. It is a Certification generated by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Dept of Health-Vital Records. It is similar to the one presented by Obama. As it is a copy I requested from Vital Records, it contains the “Date Issued” which I notice is missing from Obama’s in addition to the missing seal and state registrar signature. Also, at the bottom of mine, it states “Warning: It is illegal to duplicate this copy by photostat or photograph”.

  • sleepy

    Comment by so saddened | 2008-06-13 01:03:49

    citation please.

    didn’t think so.

    Certainly:

    Naturalization Act of 1790, that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”.

    You are a natural born citizen if your citizenship is acquired by other than naturalization.

  • Free Speech

    Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986 . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

    *** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…

    • Grumpy Code Monkey

      That seems at odds with the following:

      -CITE-
      8 USC Sec. 1405 01/03/2007

      -EXPCITE-
      TITLE 8 – ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
      CHAPTER 12 – IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
      SUBCHAPTER III – NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
      Part I – Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization

      -HEAD-
      Sec. 1405. Persons born in Hawaii

      -STATUTE-
      A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before
      April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as
      of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30,
      1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth      . A person who was
      a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared
      to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

      -SOURCE-
      (June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title III, ch. 1, Sec. 305, 66 Stat. 237.)

      -MISC1-
      ADMISSION OF HAWAII AS STATE
      Hawaii Statehood provisions as not repealing, amending, or
      modifying the provisions of this section, see section 20 of Pub. L.
      86-3, Mar. 18, 1959, 73 Stat. 13, set out as a note at the
      beginning of chapter 3 of Title 48, Territories and Insular
      Possessions.

      -End-

      From here. Emphasis mine.

    • Spacelink

      I believe you are correct, his comment about the 57 states obviously has been overlooked by everyone. He stated that he had been to all ’57′ states, we all know that there are only 50, I will give you ONE guess as to how many Islamic States there are? He is a mole being backed by, well, probably the same people that PAID for his college education. Fill in the blanks people and wake up!
      God Bless America
      US Army retired and still serving.

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  • bomza

    I’ll bet you Dan Rather thinks its authentic. :-)

  • bomza

    I’ll bet you Dan Rather thinks it’s authentic. :-)

  • garry2222

    So if this appears on Obama’s http://www.fightthesmears.com website, what exactly is this supposed to be proof of? That Obama knows how to use a laser printer???

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  • http://www.mydismalswamp.wordpress.com Big Al

    What is shown is (IMO) not an original certification but obvisously a modern copy. This does not mean it’s not a offical or real document, just a ‘copy’. There are several indicators (modern paper, modern font, even the ‘small print’ showing the offical athority and applical law pertaining to the document… all modern and not something typically found back in the early 60′s)

    My father was born in the early “teen’s” and never had an original ‘birth certificate’ that he knew of. When he needed one he applied for a copy and got one similar to this… just with the type face that was common at that time (late 1970′s). It didn’t make it any less ‘real’ that it didn’t contain a lot of the info that one would normally expect.

    This ‘certification’ is most likely ‘real’ also. Perhaps, however, not ‘original’.

  • L. Smith

    Hawaiian birth certificates from 1961 were black with white print. The certificate shown is definitely not the original.

  • Naomie Keys

    What he has given us is “Certificate of Live Birth” which is generally more detailed then a “Birth Certificate.” Yes, you get both, the “Birth Certificate” is generally the one “suitable for hanging” given to you at the Hospital. The “Certificate of Live Birth” which he has offered is the not so attractive legal document kept on file. An authentic copy has both the printed seal on the stationary; in addition to an embossed seal and has a signature on it. I was born in 1960 and my original “Birth Certificate” had my footprint on it, my “Certificate of Live Birth” does not. My son was born in 1990 his original “Birth Certificate” has no footprint, but his “Certificate of Live Birth” has the same detailed information as mine.

    His “Certificate of Live Birth” looks like a fraud. It seems to be lacking in information. The authentic ones I’ve seen do not just put the parents name on one line; they have a box for first, middle and last name of each parent. Besides the information included on his, they also have the Date of Birth of each parent; The Type of Birth, i.e., Single, Twin; The Time of Birth; The Name of the Hospital; and signatures of the Attendant or Certifier. Where is the signature, where is the embossed seal? It says under Fathers Race, African. A call was placed to the vital statistics registrar in Hawaii and they say the “African” nomenclature is incorrect. In 1961 it would have been “black” or even, “negro”.

  • Lanie

    Here’s what a real “certification of live birth” would look like (obtained in 2002, from someone born in 1930):

    http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=169

    The amount of information provided is legit, however, many things are wrong with what has been presented in Obama’s document. The absence of an official seal is noticeable. The fact that the certificate number is blacked out is suspicious, considering it contains no personal information, and is not a SSN (in other words, the only information you can gain from it is what is present on the document anyway). The only reason for blacking it out is because you don’t have a real number, and don’t want anyone checking up on it.

    More information about the forgery here (discrepencies with the type and border):

    http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml

    • snoopy

      If it’s a fake why not turn it over to the FBI?.

    • ben franklin

      It’s a scanned copy on a website; youcan’t authenticate or debunk it. You have no clue. It’s an abstract, for chrissakes, with the minimum necessary facts, all he needs to get a passport.

  • Wiley

    If you look close at the small stamp on it, it looks like the year stamped backwards is 2007

  • judy

    There is also : A mother back then could go to a hospital and have a child . Anyone could sign and you could also say or name someone who was not the father . How many men have been supporting children that weren’t theirs! We all know that. If he was born in ’61 why isn’t the certificate formal looking like most of the states. Generally Footprints go on those very lg. copies that are more for show on the wall.

    • ben franklin

      There are 10,000 different versions of birth certificates and records from states counties and cities from the past 100 years floating around out there; where’d you get your training in document authentication? I defy you to be able to recognize even ONE bogus one.

  • Shimmer

    I would suspect that he is keeping his actual birth certificate hidden so he won’t have to publically acknowledge that he was born a bastard. Since his father was still married when he met Ann Dunham (BHO’s mother) then their marriage in Hawaii was invalid under US law. Of course this might also imply that since his father was a practicing Polygamist he may have also still been a practicing Muslim. Either possibility would be unfavorable to BHO given the fact that he has publically stated otherwise.

    Lately he keeps repeating that he is black to try to make people forget that he’s white. He knows at this point that if he is running as a black man he can scream racism to anyone who is against him. Being where he is as a black man is something special to many people in this country. It keeps the press from examining him too hard because of the race card. If he ran as a white man people would just dismiss him out of hand as nothing special and the press would have a field day with him. If he ran as a mixed raced man he would be too white for the blacks and too black for the whites because he would no longer be special. It is common knowledge that you take more from your mother than from your father, so if you look at it he is just a confused white man.

    For those of you who don’t understand that part look up Mitochondrial DNA.

  • Michele

    I was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1963 at Kapiolani Hospital (the same hospital as Obama is reported to have been born…I think at that time it was the only hospital in Honolulu). I have a certified copy of my birth certificate and it is hand written with a seal. What Obama is showing is totally different. Mine is a copy of the origional birth certificate.

    • Troy

      Michele, your birth certificate would really help this case in providing a better apples-to-apples comparison than the circa 1930 certificate we have been working from. Can you post some photos of your certificate for us?

      I also recommend posting copies to these individuals:
      http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/factcheckorg-has-new-birth-certificate-story/

      and

      http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

      Thanks! Your help is appreciated by all of us.

      • http://polarik.blogtownhall.com Polarik

        I have a copy of Michele’s Hawaiian COLB — for which I thank her profusely — and you can see it posted on my blog: http://polarik.blogtownhall.com.

        I’ve got three months of research there, proving that Obama’s COLB is a forged image, that I am currently compiling into my final report to be released within two days.

        What I can tell you is that the front of Michele’s COLB has a different border than the Obama COLB, which is expected as Hawaii changes them annually. I also have the reverse side of Michele’s COLB bearing the date stamp, the embossed seal, and the signature stamp of Dr. Onaka, the State Registrar.

        I also have a genuine 2007 COLB with a border that resembles Obama’s COLB. This fact is what destroyed TechDude’s credibility as he claims that the 2007 border was identical to the 2008 variety, which Michlee has.

        The placement of the text on both 2007 COLBs match up as well as to all prior COLBs available to me (2001-2003, and 2007-2008).

        What does NOT match up is the placement of the text, and it is entirely plausible that they changed it because of how easy it is to forge them.

  • http://www.fotothing.com/joinhunt4yasser/ joe

    For real, it has a seal. I found it,

    http://www.fotothing.com/joinhunt4yasser/

  • Mary Forsyth

    Can anyone out there in blog land come up with a copy of what a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate circa 1960-62 would look like?
    *************************************************

    Allow me,

    And here is a copy of another persons certified Hawaii Birth Certificate, notice the difference.

    http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=169

  • Raven
  • Raven

    Another interesting link:

    Who can become president;

    http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/article-2/06-qualifications.html

  • Waxsimulacra08

    Factcheck.org has seen it handled it and taken pictures with it. This is debunked people.

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      Really? If FACTCHECK handled and took photos of the COLB in August, why is the date stamp in the jpg 3/12/08?

      Check it for yourself. Copy the jpg files from factcheck or Newsweek, and check the file details in MS Picture Manager.

      Factcheck.org has been “DEBUNKED” themselves.

    • Independent votes Republican

      Factcheck.org has been discredited do to affiliation with Obama of the monetary type.

    • Independent votes Republican

      This is not debunked anyway. Actually, now it is a court case, Phillip J. Berg(D) v. Barack Hussein Obama, in the state of Pennsylvania. Here is a link to the docket

      http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

  • shana
  • http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii233/mikesilvia/hawaii-birth-certificate.jpg shana
    • Independent votes Republican

      Yours has a seal and a signed stamp. It also has visible creases and other wear and tear. Obama’s doesn’t have any of these. Also compare the corners where the border meets… On yours it is a continuous line, Obamas seems to be two ajoining lines. Next, zoom in on yours and his… you’ll see that the words in Obama’s seem blurred behind them, while yours does not.
      I do have one question…
      There is a number stamped below the seal on yours, what does it say?

  • http://Itdoesntlookright ronda Jennings

    I just had to send for a copy of my BC in the state of CA. I was born 1964. It looks EXactly as the original. My son was born in oklahoma in 1980. I had to get a copy also for him, it is identical to original except it has COPY printed on it. That is what they are photocopied.

    • pyrael

      A “copy” of a Hawaii birth certificate doesn’t look like the original, however, My Original (1975) is also black with white type. What my “copy” shows is the basic info needed by a court/DMV/etc. Mine (from 1996) is cream colored and has the seal on it with the signature of whoever the official in charge was at that time, on the back. BUT (yeah a big BUT) you can clearly see the water seal through it even on a poor resolution photocopy. Also, Unless Barak went to Hawaii and picked it up personally and begged for it to not be folded, It would have been handed to him in a legal sized envelope and therefor had fold lines in it. What Obama has may be an Actual birth certificate, but it is NOT one that appears properly filed/endorsed.

  • USA4EVER

    I do not have a Harvard Law Degree but this Certification of Live Birth has no signature at all. So, who is certifying it? LOL.

  • Hawaiian born

    Well I was born in Hawaii in 1976 and my birth certificate looks nothing like his, it is black with white lettering and has the raised seal at the bottom, something that does still show up on photocopy.

  • NeilBJ

    I sure wish Obama would produce a certified copy of the original birth certificate and make this controversy disappear. We don’t need a constitutional crisis on top of our economic and war crises.

    It appears that there are two kinds of documents.

    There is the one that Obama posted on his website. It says at the bottom:

    This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth of any court proceeding.

    My certificate of birth says:

    This is a true and exact reproduction of the document officially registered and place on file in the office of the County Clerk..

    This is the type of document that Obama should provide.

    One more thing that I noticed:

    The border on the edge of my copy is a continuous border with no breaks and no distinct lines where the horizontal and vertical borders meet.

    The border on Obama’s copy shows distinct lines at the corners where the vertical and horizontal borders meet. It appears that the patterns actually overlap. This suggests that this is not a professionally prepared document.

  • Nancy

    Can anyone post an actual copy of a Hawaiian Birth Certificate and also a copy of Certification of Live Birth if there is such a document? Or would it be called a Certificate of Live Birth? If there is a Republican born in Hawaii we need your help.

  • RS

    It’s not like my Hawaiian birth certificate – and I know mine is real. This isn’t even close.

  • Janet

    I recently flew with my 18 month old son and had to show his birth certificate. I had to order it from the county where he was born (for $27) and it says “Certificate of Birth” at the top, no doctors names, weights, etc. on it. It DOES have a watermark seal from the county on it. I was given a keepsake one at the hospital that had the doctor’s signature, weights, etc, on it but was told that it could not be used for “official” needs. Just a note, Obama’s half sister has the same certificate from Hawaii and it is well known she was born in Kenya.

  • Lydia

    I WAS BORN IN HONOLULU,HAWAII IN 1961 AND MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE DOESN’T LOOK LIKE OBAMA’S. I WAS BORN AT TRIPLER HOSPITAL THOUGH. THERE ARE 23 BOXES FOR INFORMATION INCLUDING BOTH OF MY PARENTS THEIR AGE,ADDRESS,OCCUPATION,RACE,BIRTHPLACE AND MY MOTHERS’S MAIDEN NAME. AT THE BOTTOM THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH SIGNED AS DID THE REGISTRAR INLUDED WITH A RAISED SEAL. IT IS SMALLER IN SIZE 5 3/4″ long and 5 1 1/4″ wide. IT IS A BLACK BACKGROUND WITH WHITE TYPED LETTERS AND NUMBERS. AT THE VERY TOP IT HAS A FILE NUMBER AND DEPT OF HEALTH NUMBER.

  • DK

    Just to let everyone know the damm Judge in PA throw out the law suit. For all you OBAMA LOVERS! if you really trust this man, then have him prove his ORGINAL COPY of his BC. obama is the only one who can show his orginal one. this should show he if is trust worthly. and for the fact that stole 200K-600K of votes in Ohio. The suprime court should reopen the case and see who voted if 1 person out of the 200-600K names is fake the whole count should be void.

  • lastrealamerican

    Since he has already been acepted into the senate, I doubt that the government will really press this issue. We are in for a doozy. The entire country has been hypnotized by this guy’s babble about change. There will be some real change once he is elected. Hold onto your seats. I don’t think it is the type of change everyone is expecting.

  • RB

    Barrack Obama was born to a mother who at the time did not meet the age requirements to pass her citizenship to her child. So if she did in fact have him in Kenya, he is not a citizen.

  • RB

    On Obama’s birth certificate is has a seal at the top.
    Other people have produced certificates from before 1961 showing the same type of birth certificate that Obama has…
    BUT the seal on theirs says 1959, meaning…. all certificates that look like his are reproductions done by the state (after 1959), not the actual certificate. that’s why it is missing information.
    it is just a certification of their place of birth and parents. not the actual original certificate.
    so why did he get a “re-issue” of a certificate that he already has in his possesion? Because it is a FAKE, claiming to be a re-issued one.

  • RB

    here is a link for one that is a re-issue for someone born in 1930, to support my previous post.

    http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=169

  • Disappointed

    I do have Certificates of Live Birth from 1963 and 1986…both from Hawaii. Both have all the information such as birth place,Hospital, parents, date signed and on and on….along witha seal(raised) and a notary. I asked for a duplicate copy years later and rec’d a copy of the original with a notarized seal at the top of the certifcate of LIVE birth. If this Certificate was a copy of the original it would NOT be a “laser” copy and be a copy of the original. This is not correct and the old saying of “where there is smoke there is fire” is so true here. Also to where the funds for this campaign is coming from….why are they bogus names from off shore accounts… I was a fence sitter but I have to tell you this all worries me. This is just not a matter of policy or where the votes have been placed. This goes to the very core of our country and being a US citizen to have the privledge of being the leader of our country. This could rip this country apart !

  • Bobby

    I started out with neutral feelings about this document, merely exploring the scandel, rather than trying to prove or disprove it. Unfortunately for the supporters of the illegally elected president this document was NOT PRINTED ANYWHERE NEAR THE TIME OF BARACKS BIRTH. In the bottom right hand corner this document reads LASER. Unfortunately for the Barack his forger did not do enough research that laser printers were not invented until 1969 by Xerox. That is EIGHT YEARS AFTER Barracks birth. The quality of the document as being an official state document is uncertain, as debated through multiple blogs one of the ones that openly calls the entire document computer generated being http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/2008/06/. Whether or not the paper is an official print is not known however because of the “laser printer issue” this clearly COULD NOT HAVE BEEN BARACK OBAMA’S CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH. So why is he hiding it? No one definitively knows. But one thing is for sure. The world will find out in the next four years (unless he is impeached for fraud he is impeached for fraud (which the right wing might attempt)).

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/12/what-does-an-authentic-hawaiian-birth-certificate-look-like/ magnoliabel

    This need to be solve because it is and outrageous crime the DNC and Obama have committed against the US citizens if it is a forgery.

  • cpabooks

    I hear this guy on blogradio (lanlampere)and he presents himself as very knowledgeable and is willing to be a “target” because he says he is 100% sure about this:
    Polarik’s final report:
    Obama’s ‘Born’ Conspiracy
    Forged images, phony photos, and felony fraud
    By Ron Polarik, PhD

    I started to print out his opus and found it to be 178 pages long…There are good examples and pretty storong charges here.

    http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx

    It may take time, but I believe that a lot of people are going to jail when this all shakes out.

  • Tony7914

    You can find a copy of a 1961 Hawaii Certificate of live birth http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=310 here. It’s not the best picture but you can see it’s very similar to the one posted for 63.

    You know folks all the man has to do is pony up one copy of his vault copy Certificate of live birth and this whole issue is settled and over one way or the other.

    You gotta admit though when a man hires 3 teams of lawyers to prevent people from seeing this one document something isn’t right.

    For those of you who voted for Obama you should be concerned, consider this if it’s later proved that Obama is not qualified under the constitution to be president then every law he signed and every executive order he signed are illegal and void, congress wont be able to do it’s job because there is no lawful president to sign it’s legislation, congress would not legally be able to impeach him, the military would not be obligated to follow his orders and the DNC would be responsible for knowingly putting a usurper in the Whitehorse which is treason in my opinion.

    Wouldn’t you folks feel far safer knowing without a doubt this man is legally qualified to do the job you voted for him for?

    Think about it then call your congressmen and your states Secretary of State and ask them to verify his place of birth before they certify the vote.

  • Rufus

    All you need to do is open the Obama “Certification of Live Birth” with windows picture and fax viewer. Zoom in on any of the text and you will see the pixels behind the lettering are not the same as the pattern of the paper. They are essentially erased. Even a child can tell this is not a legitimate document. What I can’t understand is why doesn’t Obama just send an official copy to the Supreme Court or the DNC or whoever needs it, and settle the matter once and for all?

  • Benny Hill

    If you examine real close at the copy, notice these certain items if you will:
    Bottom left corner note; OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01) Laser
    Means the form was revised on Nov 11, 2001, printed with a laser printer.
    Look at the font, particularly at the “A” in August 8, 1961. Now look at the “A,s” in BARRACK, OBAMA, STANLEY, ANN and so forth, notice the size difference in the font, the “A” in August is smaller. In 1960, there were no ‘Printers’, Documents were either hand typed or tele-typed. All the letters appear to be that of a printed document and not typed. Look at the top right and look at the certicate number, it would have been typted and the font of the numbers would have been smaller. Even if this was a copy of the original, the printer would not have changed the font size, they will copy exactly what is on the original. I could be wrong, see for your self.

    • D

      I am not certain, but I would bet you can get a certification of live birth anytime. They are probably generated upon request.

      With regard to the size of the letters, they are in fact exactly the same. I measured them, but as I say it probably was generated in 2001. That does not mean it is not authentic.

      What needs to be challenged are the facts that there is no more evidence than this that Obama was born in the US.

  • Haineroid

    To answer the original question. I have a Certificate of Birth from 1963 issued by the state of Hawaii. It is white writing on a Black Background. Hope it helps.

  • Wayne Myers

    Why did Barry pay lawyers $1 million to keep the actual certificate from being released?

    • Janet

      When you make wild statements like that, you really should back them up with some proof. And, “I heard it on Fox News” dooesn’t count as proof. It’s funny how the amount of money Obama has allegedly spent keeps going up and up.

  • Bill

    How stupid are the people who think Obama isn’t a citizen? REAL stupid.

    My kids certificates look almost exactly like this one. No physician, none of the things mentioned, and trust me–THEY ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES! The people obsessed with this topic are a bunch of dimwits. I’ve never seen Sean Hannity’s birth certificate so he must be an illegal alien. GET REAL!

  • Anonymous

    To answer the question at the end of the article; the article at the following link has a side-by-side image comparison of a hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth from the same year as Obama’s birth, and Obama’s “Certification” of Live Birth.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103810

    (must to a bit of scrolling to find the images.)

  • John L

    Over a year now and this is still being debated. If you have a copy of your original birth certificate – congrats. Most people do not (especially as you get older). I requested a copy of mine from the county I was born in a few years ago and all I got was an obvious print out. There are no signatures, etc. Most counties (the keepers of these records) do not have the actual records. They transfered them to microfiche that has now been converted to digital records. A Certificate of Live Birth is what the county reports to the state.

    He must be doing a good job if this is the best people can come up with. In other words, if you want to attack him – then do so for his governance.

  • Janet

    As long as you birther whackos are pre-occupied with this nonsense, you won’t be focusing on your agenda to further the destruction of our country that was started by the Bush administration. So debate away.

    Knowing someone is a birther makes them that much easier to ignore.

  • CaptainVideo

    If McCain, whose campaign looked into Obama’s eligibility would have discovered any evidence that Obama was not a citizen, he would have gone to court. In his case he would have had the standing to sue, so it would not have been trown out on the grounds that the did not have such standing to sue.

  • rjp3

    This entire fake issue is a straw man arguement — each time some evidence is provided — they will change the terms of “the issue” to keep it rolling … there is money in disinformation like this you know

  • tzada

    Must be something to it or you trolls would NOT be out in force. Why not just show it ???????? Open all his records. He has something to hide?

    We already know he is a racist and a deceiver, just a user and that he has no loyalty. Guess you think you are special? Why?

    How much worse can it be? Just show a true long BC.
    Why all the fake one and the stories about Hawaii destroying it. What a cluster ….

  • mitchola

    down in th corner it says HRS 338-13 well that was a copy law passed in 1978 dont know how that was on a 1961 live birth cert

  • Sunnstarr

    Something of Interest, posted elsewhere on the Net:

    “Discovery hearing re. Obama’s Kenyan BC, request for depositions of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates scheduled for September 8th, 8am.

    08/21/2009 44 MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: ORDER SETTING SEPTEMBER 8, 2009 HEARING ONMOTIONS: (See document for
    details.) In summary, the Court sets for hearing at 8:00 a.m. on September 8, 2009, (1) the Discovery Motion, (2) the Service Notice, and (3) the Ex Parte Application. All parties are ordered to be present. The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the action. (rla) (Entered: 08/21/2009)

    CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA CM/ECF Filer or PACER Login

    Notice:
    This is a Restricted Web Site for Official Court Business only. Unauthorized entry is prohibited and subject to prosecution under Title 18 of the U.S. Code. All activities and access attempts are logged

    This entry was posted on Saturday, August 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 am and is filed under Uncategorized. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed”

  • rls

    I think you are 100% correct . The first thing I thought when I saw this Birth Cirtif . Is wow that looks fake . Then I googled what does Hawaii’s BC look like . And that brought me here . I mean at first glance you can see there are a lot of things missing on this BC . Like for starters the the attending physician or hospital . The parents sig . And rather or not this was a single birth . I have 6 BC from 6 different states . Why is the number blacked out . It serves no purpose other than to locate the original , assuming there is one . And the seal , what of that ? And all posses these things . Even my friends from Hawaii . I have to say of my own accord . Which has been tainted by the media and/or these Anti-Obama sites . Something about him is dishonest . Rather it be his BC . ( Which anyone with common sense can gather ) Or his reasons for wanting to rule our nation . My personal opinion ( not that it matters ) is that we just let the enemy rule or nation . Rather this is wrong or correct . It can not be denied that something is not right about this BC . I guess we will all see the truth when it is to late . But for those of you that insist that all people against obama are raciest . I have nothing against anyone of another race . But this man . This man isn’t who he says he is . In time you will see .

  • rls

    I think America has been to blinded by the want of change . To busy fighting for change to see . That what we have let in office is going to change American . Just not for the better , yet for the worse .

  • John DP

    Hello;

    My wife and I will be travelling to Hawaii in March. We will love to visit MR. Obama’s place of birth and being in the healthcare field, we would love to visit and take a tour of the hospital where he was born. We have tried to obtain tour information or a web site, but we have yet to find any information.

    If anyone knows what hospital MR. Obama was born at, please forward your information a.s.a.p. Thanks!

  • http://www.replacementbirthcertificate.org jessica

    to much blogs and articles, too much comments, too much designed false docs, about Obama’s birth certif.
    the man is now president! Who’s caring about all those written posts!

  • Mary

    i dont think that Barack was born in the U.S here is a link that will make all you Barack fans think twice
    this is his kenyan copy
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/18021525/KEYES-v-OBAMA-Phocopy-of-Obamas-Kenyan-Birth-Certificate

    this is Hawaii
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101483

    See what i think is the government is changing the rules just for him, trying to make him look American, everyone really needs to pull together and get him out of office. The birth certificate he produced is missing a lot of things people use your head and stop letting the government brain wash you. Are you that stupid as Americans that you cant see what is right in front of you. There are hundreds of children with american and non-american parents that are born over seas that cannot live here even though they have an american parent. We are NOT stupid we just ignore the facts because if we didnt then it wouldnt be a perfect world for us. Americans are so spoiled that we cannot accept that there is something wrong with this big picture.

  • smccormack@allanedwards.com

    Well if Obama does not have to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, I’m voting for Arnold Swartenager for President.

  • pam

    as usual people comment on things they do not understand. a certificate of live birth is the most important as it certifys that there was a live birth. the birth certificate is only the piece of paper that is issued after the live birth has been recorded.  most people before the 1970′s had a certificate of live birth which was usually give to the parents by the hospital.  the  birth certificate is only a paper stating that the live birth was done and to m ake it more easy for people to get and keep as we use this as a form of age and census information in the county where you are from.  very few people have there live birth from there parents or was lost or destroyed.  that is why we have them recorded for us to be able to get to when needed  this is nothing but a racial hatred on this man because of his difference. when you rile up people with hatred and ignorance you are the worst of the bunch.   wake up people you are being led down a very bad road.  this country cannot survive a civial war which is what could happen.  the ones that we should be worried about is china as she holdes enough bonds and we buy enough that she could take economic role of us.  if we don’t start buying american no matter what it costs we will all be lost

  • pam

    you are a jackass. his mother was a christian and as usual you pulled info from the koran to benefit your ignorance

  • pam

    someone gave you bad info. if your father was a us citizen and stationed abroad and was in the us military you are considered a natural born citizen, even if your parents were not married. you do not have to be born on the base.  if you father is still alive i would suggest you contact a lawyer who can help with the papers.  and yes you could be president

  • pam

    thank you for your post, people who are afraid of somthing differenct can be led by any fool to believe anything

  • pam

    well you must be working in a hole because you are  more stupid than a rock,  when you can give intelligent info then post something

  • pam

    because she was in love with the father and he probably asked.  you know poor white xxxxx, junior is nothing to get excitied about.  also at least he acknowledge his paternity more than half the trash today in this country.  mom was christian and a thinker and allowed her child to be exposed to all kinds of education and worlds and he is the better for it.   

  • pam

    so you are a authority in the area?  i hope not  because you sound more stupid than i hope you look.  if you had read many of the posts many people have these exact same things. also i do work in a hospital  and these certificate are all very different.   information not needed by every idiot does not need to be on a web site.  this is a legal copy of what a live certificate of birth which is the legal one.  your birth certifcate is only a document that states that someone has filed A LEGAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH for the recording issue.  unless you have some knowlege don’t assume you  know something.

  • pam

    you need to check things before you speak.  if your father or mother was a u.s.citizen born in the us and while on duty in the us military then you are considered a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN no matter what corner you are born on.  and this does included being able to run for president. 

  • pam

    so how come you didn’t post that before, but as usual you only posted what you wanted to people to believe,.  if mcain is a citizen then obama is a natural born citizen  he was born in a nationally recogn state to a u.s. citizen who was born in a recoged state also.

  • pam

    no you are the retarded person in this case.  they are many cases that state if your parent is a us citizen born in the us and are serving in the military for  your country you ARE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.  he was born in hawaii to a natural born us citizen in a u.s state which gives him HIS NATURAL BORN STATUS.  even if he was born while traveling outside of his u.s citizen mother state he is still considered natural born as long as she is still a natural born citizen who has not given up her status.  as she was a college student at the time and in us state at time of birth, all req have been met.  

  • pam

    also check your facts.  it is 14years not sixteen.

  • pam

    the HIPPA act also does not allow it.

  • pam

    what field do you work in & teach in? do you do forgery for a living?  unless you can prove that you forged this then you really need to be careful as to what you say.

  • friendlyfle@aol.com

    I was born in Hawaii in 1961.  I misplaced my original birth certificate and ordered one from the state.  My birth certificate that I ordered online looks exactly like the one displayed for President Obama.  Trust me, I was expecting more than this when I ordered it!!

  • AC

    Trust you!
    Who the hell are you?
    Show us your BC.

  • ~~Justme~~

    LOL AC, ROFL.
    Yes I want to see it too.
    Sooooo funny I fell on the floor laughing! =-O

  • Ken S

    Actually, Mr. McCain DID have to produce his birth certificate. AND he faced legal action claiming that he was NOT a “natural born citizen.” It took action on the part of the senate to get past the whole issue. Check out this article on the Washington Post web site.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

    Second, here is the image of the birth certificate.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9934044/John-McCain-Birth-Certificate

    So, the answer to all of your questions and issues is yes, other people have had to produce their birth certificates, including John McCain, and they are available for people to view online.

    So there isn’t a double-standard, and I for one don’t care what color the man is. Oh, and I also happen to believe that he already produced what he needed to produce, and that he was born in Hawaii.

    Scary isn’t it, to have someone agree with you, even though all of your facts were wrong?

  • TxDvlDg

    OK stop look at the bottom in fine print of the birth certificate it would not say what it says back in 1961 and when i mean fine print i mean the little tiny letters that are hard to read those prove its fake

  • Common Sense

    What if John Mc Cain won the presidency? He would not be legitamate because he was born in Panama.Such silliness to accuse and have those ride the hate bus.I really dont care if hes a blue alien from another planet as long as he does his job.Im no fan of his policies and after his choices dont really see him as a smart leader for this country, but then again G Bush wasnt smart either.By his not freezing oil prices when they went 100% and more over what we did pay before that hit and coupled with OUR reserves were not opened up to keep prices down, that was a catalyst to catastrophic failure into which Obama was handed the aftermath of G Bushs ignorance.Im no fan of democratic or republican ways of handling crisis or the nation for that matter.Im sick of the constant bickering and division that is brought to our country.Ill call it all illiterate management and serving their own agendas and interests.Obama gave banks money who in turn spit in his face and openly partied on the funds.It would have served the country better to bail out the people who were victim of the mess instead of enabling those who criminally sought their own pleasures.Independant parties are to what Im looking for who are just as tired as I am of the two parties that exist to further damage us.What both parties seem to forget that its the working people who make this country work and continue its cycle.Those in greed of high interest rates into which the product is three times over its retail price should be illegal as well as those others who rip us off.The whole lot ought to understand money and what drives America, the working people.Now without jobs our steady drain by these groups and illegals and foreigners sending money away that will not go back into the economic structure of the nation.Weve been forced into becoming liabilties in our own country and having to rely on an already burdened goverment system, slowly becoming a socialist nation or entity.We all will look back and wonder how we got there.The constant failure of the dollar and the world losing faith in its ability also adds to the drain.Its a very slow agonizing death and tomorrow is not gauranteed to be like the former days weve known.In one year from now then you can tell me Im wrong but yet in its current trend the items I have mentioned will bear my statements to be of truth, unless a miracle happens.I do forsee wars coming because of countries that are poor and their economic stature is in ruinization as well and nashing of teeth and hatred abounds with raised fists everywhere and that lost feeling of we cant do anything about these monsters of greed.I dont care where your born, if you have a job, do it.I dont think many of those who are politicians are actually in touch with reality and see that the people run the country economically.Put us down and it only begins their demise. 

  • wth

    McCain is a moron too. Why do people think that we would be happy with this traitor. THere is a 3rd choice. NONEOFTHE ABOVE. Ron Paul, anybody. 

  • Karen Lynn Stafford Antley

    Does any of the birth setifacates have foot prints?

  • Karen Lynn Stafford Antley

    Does any of the certificates have foot prints other than the parents copy?

  • oowawa

    Hey AC–he’s “friendly”–that’s enough for me . . .

  • oowawa

    Oh Ferd, we’ve come unglued in time . . . such a vintage topic never goes stale . . .

    Here I am responding to the Ferd of 2009, and I am a Postmodern circa 2011, slumming in the past

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well if it’s ok for u oowawa guess its enough then!

  • Melissa

    If you order a copy of proof of live birth from Hawaii where he was born, this is what you would receive today.  I know, I received one when I needed to have it but couldn’t find my actual birth certificate.  What I don’t get is that people ask questions here that have already been answered… also here, yet they don’t even bother to acknowledge it?  Why is that?  I’d also like to know how you think the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, etc… would all be involved somehow in getting this man elected without having proved his birth place?  They investigate every single skeleton, dust bunny and available orifice before allowing anyone into the world of “National Security”, etc… THAT AND, Obama’s mother is American, therefore, HE is American.  That this is even being discussed as an argument to the legitimacy of the President, shows what a sad and uneducated Country we are.   These same questions being asked are often from the same people who believe that Bush actually got elected and/or that Chaney wasn’t really the one running things, or that two enormous steel buildings could collapse in perfect demolition style not to mention Bldg 7 which happened to house all CIA’s info (which I’m sure didn’t at all prove what had actually taken place so that Chaney could get his war).  The only conspiracy has been the one the Government has sold us and this illegal war that has still no seeming end in sight is the direct cause of our current economic situation and therefore anyone who was elected Pres. for the following term would be the one to have to try and clean it up.  Something that will take far more than a few terms and a few Presidents to do.

    With all the chaos, depression, fear and doubts that we have in this Country, isn’t it time we put childish rumors to bed and come together as one to work together in fixing the real problems we’re facing and not fight each other at every step of the way?  Personally, I love Obama and feel he is an incredibly good man.  I have concerns about some things but it’s only his first term and it has been an absolute hell to even consider coming into office to take this on, I give ANYONE who had stepped up for this position as the Leader of the free world the respect they deserve as you couldnt’ have paid me enough ever. But whether I like him or not, whether I feel he has done some incredible things since taking over the office, and I have a long list of those things to prove it… however, I still have to be willing to allow everyone else’s beliefs and opinions as well.  And I respect them, no matter how much they differ with my own.  But we should all be willing to do that, to listen and allow that there are things I may not want to like or hear, but just because they are opposing views doesn’t mean they may not be true and therefore worth listening and learning about.  We should all be willing to see and hear as much information as we can on all sides of the issues.  How can we possibly make an educated opinion if we don’t?  I don’t know everything, not by a longshot, and I don’t know everything about Obama, Biden and for that matter, almost anyone who’s held office since I was born, but I’m open to listen and learn.  Why do we have to be so bullheaded about everything?  Insulting to one another and angry?  I know it’s a passionate issue and emotions come into play, but we are still all united by the fact that we are all Americans, and we all love our Country and want the best for it, and for us all. 
    I was reminded last night while watching “War Games” from 1985 I believe, that no matter what we believe, no matter what we want… The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in it’s power to go to war!  And as “War Games” showed over and over again, is that there is NEVER, not EVER, a winner in war.  No matter how we may argue differenty, no one wins.  As long as we stand against one another, brother fighting brother, we will never be the Country we should truly be and we will never take our past decisions and learn from them.  And as long as Obama is a man who doesn’t believe in War, the opposing party will always and forever find ways to discredit him.

  • Melissa

    For those who are so concerned with the Presidents birthplace and therefore his legitimacy as President….

    The Constitution places certain restrictions on those who may be eligible to the Office of the President of the United States. These eligibility requirements can be found in Article two, Section one, Paragraph five of the constitution, which reads as follows:
    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    Naturalization Acts starting with the American Naturalization Act of 1790 and following naturalization acts such as those of 1855 have recognized that those “…born outside of the borders or beyond the control of the United States,…,to a US citizen shall be considered as a natural born Citizen of the United States.”

    Following the literal translation of the language of the Constitution and the following naturalization acts, you do not have to have been born in the United States. However, you do have to have been born to at least one parent who holds citizenship with the USA.

    THEREFORE…. what seems to be the problem?

  • Melissa

    it wouldn’t matter.  SHE is American.  Can’t see where that would cause any new rumors but good luck to ya.

  • Melissa

    The Constitution places certain restrictions on those who may be eligible to the Office of the President of the United States. These eligibility requirements can be found in Article two, Section one, Paragraph five of the constitution, which reads as follows:
    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    Naturalization Acts starting with the American Naturalization Act of 1790 and following naturalization acts such as those of 1855 have recognized that those “…born outside of the borders or beyond the control of the United States,…,to a US citizen shall be considered as a natural born Citizen of the United States.”

    Following the literal translation of the language of the Constitution and the following naturalization acts, you do not have to have been born in the United States. However, you do have to have been born to at least one parent who holds citizenship with the USA.

  • Sheldon

    You haven’t looked very hard if you can’t find an actual certificate online.

  • L’oiseau

    Ditto – read the bottom you morons!

  • sheila

    Didn’t we just send troops into Libya?  Obama doens’t believe in war?  Constantly sending more troops in and out of every place in the world.  Why don’t our troops come home?  He can order that….they can take over law and order here…rehabilitate criminals, whatever.  Oh wait a minute…we dont’ have enough jobs for Americans because the jobs are taken by people who don’t live here (as in non-Americans in other countries or by people who are here illegally. 

    The questions of Obama’s legitimacy to being President of the US is huge…could be the biggest con ever committed in the US…either you have a birth certificate or you can request it from your place of birth…he is the President for pete’s sake…get your birth certificate and prove us all wrong.

  • E

    Perfect demolition style? Since when do demolition teams start at the top of the building? They don’t; they place the exposives at the bottom. You seem to be the one awakening childish rumors.

  • Joe Blow

    Actually, the wbirth certificate isn’t what disqualifies Obama. It’s his lack of smarts.

  • lap

    Both my husband and my son’s birth certificates indicate Cetificate of Live Birth with no signatures

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  • Dee

    I was born in New York City, 1965 and my certificate does not have a physician’s signature, hospital or any of that.  That information is on the certificate issued by the hospital, not what is on file with the state you were born in and THE actual legal document.  Hospital records at that time were notoriously inconsistent and easily forged.   

  • Ryan

    I wish those of you who are blindly following Obama to the path of dectruction would get your head out of your ass and look at the obvious facts. Obama has NOT provided a valid birth certificate. If you have seen it, feel free to post a link to where everyone else on here can see it as well. If you have not seen it, then you have no leg to stand on. What Obama has provided, will not even get him a passport in the United States, but somehow it is enough to get him elected preisdent?

  • earnest37

    To those who doubt Obama’s actual citizenship let me clear up a few things. First, if your mother is American that does not mean you are automatically an American citizen, especially if you are born in a foreign country. The country in which you were born determines your citizenship in all but certain situations, i.e. while serving abroad, or the resident spouse of those in the military, state department official, consulate, embassy personnel, and the like. A person traveling abroad while well along in pregnancy, and who does not fall within the aforementioned categories takes the risk their child will not be born an American citizen. This is FACT!
    Second, I personally have photographic copies of a “Certificate of Birth” and a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth” both issued in the Coast Province of Kenya, and both showing (surprise, surprise) a birth date of Aug. 4, 1961 at 7:24 p.m., the exact time and date as that shown on the “official” Certification of Live Birth which is the short form issued by the Hawaiian Department of Health and recorded four days after Obama’s actual birth. The Certificate of Birth has the names and SIGNATURES of both the attending physician and the Superintendent of Obstetrics at the Coast Province General Hospital in Kenya. Both documents list the child as Barack Hussein Obama II as well as the mother and father. The mother is listed as Stanley Ann Obama and the father as Barack Hussein Obama, both also listed as students.
    The race of the mother is listed as Caucasion and the father as African. No one would list their race as “African” as this could mean a caucasion from South Africa, an arab from Libya, etc.. In this case they would be listed either as “black” or “negro”. Remember this was 1961. As a matter of interest a “Certification of Live Birth” can be issued to a parent who shows up at the “proper” department with a baby, such as the Hawaii Department of Health, and claim the baby was born at home without an attending physician (midwife, etc.).
    It is my understanding that Obama’s mother showed up at the airport in Kenya to fly to Hawaii but was denied boarding because she was obviously very pregnant. Supposedly Obama was born two or three days later in Kenya. As soon as the mother was able to fly she flew to Hawaii and immediately went to the Department of Health and recorded the birth.
    In order to obtain a copy of a short form “Certificate of Live Birth” there must also be a long form on file. That long form has to have the signature of the attending physician and list the hospital where the birth took place. That long form has apparently never been seen – and certainly never released to the public. If I wanted to forge a short form I would simply obtain either a blank copy of the short form (a few bucks here or there) and type in the required information or copy someone else’s short form, delete the information and type in whatever I wanted. With Photoshop and similar programs this is a piece of cake.
    Do I know for sure Obama is a bonafide US citizen? No! Do I have doubts? You bet! If you have read this all the way through to this point and would like to receive a copy of the photos I have email me at earnest37@gmail.com. I will only answer the first hundred or so requests or, I might just compile a group list of emails over a period of time and do a “blanket” answer.

  • earnest37

    Has anyone ever noticed that the document number is blacked out? Why hide that when it would determine exactly where the original long form is located and could eliminate all of the speculation. What is this guy hiding???

  • earnest37

    That is actually OHSM 1.1 (Rev 10/01) LASER

  • earnest37

    Escuse me…would you like me to get you an exact copy of the certificate shown with your name on it? Like I said before, with Photoshop, CorelDraw, etc., I can duplicate nearly any “certificate” you like. Before calling someone a moron you should study 21st century technology and then state your case.

  • earnest37

    I was actually born in a log cabin in central Ohio (many years ago) but there was a doctor present and he signed the birth certificate which lists an amazing amount of information, including my parents’ occupations. It also has an embossed seal.

  • earnest37

    This question has absolutely nothing to do with race although some would like to create that distraction. I agree that McCain was not the man (or woman) for the job but he is a legitimate US Citizen. It would make no difference if he was born in the Panama Canal area controlled by the US at the time or not. His father was an admiral in the Navy at the time and since he was the son of an active member of the military, and his mother was in residence with his father, he is an American citizen. I haven’t seen his actual birth certificate but I had a son born to my wife and I while I was on active duty in Germany. He had legitimate dual citizenship (Germany and the US) and could actually be called up to serve in the German army. He’s in his mid 40′s now and probably wouldn’t go anyway.

  • earnest37

    To what posting does this reply reference? If you’re talking about the World Trade Center as an engineer perhaps I can enlighten you.

  • earnest37

    See my post close to the top of this blog.

  • earnest37

    Ok. I voted against Obama and now look at our situation. Gasoline is more than double what it was when Obama took office; our deficit this year is three times what W’s was his last year in office; unemployment is ridiculous; silver if three times what it was when BO took office; food prices have nearly doubled; economic experts from every quarter are predicting tragedy as a result of OB’s policies. I can go on and on but you OB sympathizers will never get the point. This guy is the loser of all losers. My only hope is that perhaps he either gets re-elected and puts the country into bankruptcy or he achieves that before 2012. Then we can start over and this time do things as the original founders intended.

  • earnest37

    Then why doesn’t he release the BC long form? Why doesn’t he say where he got the money to go to college? Why doesn’t anyone from Occidental remember him? Why won’t he release any of his college transcripts? Why did his wife have to get student loans but he didn’t? Why did he have a Fullbright Scholarship to attend college as a foreign student with his step father’s last name (an Indonesian) and use a first name of Barry? Where did he go to high school? Who were his friends in high school, college? We know everything about John McCain, George W., etc., but almost nothing about BO. Inquiring minds want to know. In my opinion he has a “ghetto mentality” which says “If you need money, just print and spend it!” No I’m not racist, I just know how some people think. Remember those who said that OB was going to pay their rent, electric bills, etc.? Now that is what I call “ghetto mentality”. Incidentally, his wife got a $400g annual job at a Chicago hospital to help pay off her college loans after BO got a huge grant for the hospital as a senator. That job was created just for her and somehow wasn’t needed after they moved to DC. The position was conveniently created and then eliminated after her departure.

  • earnest37

    If you read his book “Dreams from My Father” you’ll see he did everything to erase his caucasian heritage. I think he’s still angry his mother dumped him off with his white grandparents and split the scene. Talk about a racist, his mother refused to date white men.

  • earnest37

    His Kenyan Birth Certificate has a footprint. Think he would care to make a comparison at this point in time?

  • earnest37

    I just realized you can upload images to this blog.

  • earnest37

    You mean something like this? (see pic which is an enlargement of a section of the previously posted photo)

  • earnest37

    On close examination you will see that this document is a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth” in the Coast Province of Kenya. The mother’s age is 18 and the father’s age is 26. I shows her mainden name of Dunham and birthplace in Wichita, Kansas.

  • felizarte

    The real problem for Obama are the two  Social Security Numbers issued to someone else that he allegedly somehow appropriated.  This is identity theft–a felony.  

  • felizarte

    Thank you NoQuarter for allowing questions and discussion on the missing original birth certificate on this blog.  Other blogs simply blocks.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Hey, earnestshitferbrains, you’re on a thread that’s almost three years old! 

    Hey now’s my chance to post the only YouTube on an ancient thread.

  • Samb

    :)

  • Cindy

    Onofre—you’re a scream!
    But, hey ain’t it great bein’ back here in 2008? It feels like, soooo Rod Serling.

    I sure hope McCain wins!!!

  • Onofre’s arm

    HA! I hate to be a spoiler, but the instant the NY Times endorsed McCain in the primaries, I knew we were doomed.

  • Samb

    You crazy kids crack me up.
    :)

  • Cindy

    Thanks, Samb………. and welcome to Yesterfest!

  • Cindy

    Onofre—–awwww…we were all so innocent back then……(LOL!)

  • Onofre’s arm
  • Cindy

    Onofre–LOL—-if we had only known that Obama was a fraud and psycho, then we could’ve warned people…………gosh, if he had just given some hints or clues………..

  • justme

    No need for name calling.  What you got to dispute his findings?

  • justme

    UH-OH!  Someones in TROUBLE!!

  • Ifor

    birth certificates with your footprints on them are simply souvenirs.  You cannot use what you are calling a birth certificate to get a passport or a drivers license.  A certification of live birth on the other hand will get you a passport as Hawaii does not release birth records

  • KJL

    You are a complete loon.  WOW

  • Mo

    Oh Please.  I knew I’d see it sooner or later.  The race card.  When’s it going to end

  • fe
  • John Doe

    Oh, prior to my rant: to the author of this article.

    Africa is not a “country,” you ignorant fool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa

    >>The country in which you were born determines your citizenship in all but certain situations…<<<

    This is the first sign that you are full of it. I’m glad you think other countries have to accomedate people dropping babies. For your information, citizenship by virtue of birth is actually a rare legal consideration these days. And while you’re right that–depending on when you are born–birth by American parents may require additional legal hurdles, please don’t banter about other country’s citizenship laws which you have provided no citations on, ok?

    >>>Second, I personally have photographic copies of a “Certificate of Birth” and a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth”<<<

    Where’s the picture? Did you take it? How do we know its any more “real” than the claim that the birth certificatye provided by Obama is fake? Well? Waiting… Didn’t think so.

    >>>No one would list their race as “African” as this could mean a caucasion from South Africa, an arab from Libya, etc.. In this case they would be listed either as “black” or “negro”. Remember this was 1961.<<<

    Are you black? Did you have a baby in the 1960s? Was it in Hawaii? If you answered no to any of these questions, and you can’t provide a scholarly citation to back it up (I don’t mean blogs or news outlets) than stop babling. For your information, in the 1960s race was self-declared by the parent on birth documents. There were no mandated categories.

    >>>I will only answer the first hundred or so requests or, I might just compile a group list of emails over a period of time and do a “blanket” answer.<<<

    Oh, how clever. So you can deny people copies whenever you please. Sounds suspicious. Why not just upload them? Same principle, less time and cost.

    You’re so full of it.

  • John Doe

    CLose examination? The quality of this picture is so poor how is anyone supposed to do that?

  • John Doe

    Looks shopped. I can tell by the pixels, and because I’ve seen a lot of shopps in my day.

  • John Doe

    Oh no, no visable signature by the attending physician or superintendent. This might be a forgery! O.O

  • John Doe

    I imagine you would have to have a pretty comprehensive knowledge of all state laws to know that that listed above is “the law.” Are you a certified expert in laws of the 50 states?

  • John Doe

    Tell me, how does the President set gas prices?

  • John Doe

    I’m still wondering why the full-form from kenya has a signature certifying the document in February of 1964. Looks like the Kenyans are even worse with paperwork than we are. Or the person editing the image forgot to check the signature date. :p

  • Detritusx

    What’s the fuzz about his birth certificate ??? There is a more important question to be answered. Apparently he did go to school in Indonesia which was only possible at this time with a Indonesian citizenship. Long story short  he would have lost the American one if he ever had one. :)

  • Carol Goodwin

    I have seen only one other birth record of someone born in HI and it does not say merely ‘Birth Certificate’ but says “Certificate of Live Birth” as does the one Obama has.  However her record does include the namje of the attending physician and a very clear indication of the state seal.  Obama’s is by comparison, quite sketchy.  It appears quite construed because there is no record of an attending physician or anything other than his parents’ names. Oh yes and my friend was born in 1962.  This does not change the fact that ‘African’ is NOT a race.

  • Frink3825

    I was born in 1958.  It wasn’t until maybe late 70′s or early 80′s that the new form was used (green).  Mine looks more like a microfish copy.  This is the reason I don’t believe his birth certificate is real.

    • Frink3825

      Sorry, forgot to mention, I was born in Hawaii.  Certificates of Live Birth, microfilm copies, were the only thing I could get at Dept of Statistics.  My kids were all born there as well & they have the green forms but w/same info on them.  Yes, Certificate of Live Birth is definitely different.  1961 is only 3 yrs after me, so his would be similar to mine IF…right?

      • Marj

        Dear Frink3825
         Thank you so very much for sharing with me exactly what your (Green) Hawiian birth certificate looks like.
          It is very interesting that Mr. Barack Obama hasn’t been impeached for his Live Birth Certificate that he has chosen the American people, & the world.
           headsets2003@yahoo.ca

        • http://www.facebook.com/dahloan.hembree Dahloan Hembree

          I can’t believe people want him to be born elsewhere. I read Audacity of Hope by our President. He tells how his father came to study in Hawaii. His MOm worked there from 1958 to 1964. He Dad was a student and I believe his Mom taught at the University – she had a masters. Then they got married and he moved back to Hawaii. It wasn’t until much later, think he was four, that they moved to Indonesia, where she met her new husband. She worked for the UN there. Does that answer questions?

          • scottymac54

            Looks like you’re easily manipulated by contemporary literature and don’t really take in the reality of the world and the conditions around you, preferring to make token political “choices” to satisfy the most basic requirements of citizenship.
            Unless you can explain yourself and why you believe what you believe (because that’s all Obama is to you, a substitutionalist religion that satisfies your basest instincts and minimum intellectual requirements), you’re quite foolish in lurking around oppositional forums, leaving comments you think you’ll never be called out on.
            And I am no Republican.
            You need a god damned dunce cap, LOL!

          • http://www.facebook.com/melissa.dawn.18062 Melissa Dawn

            let me guess…you got this info from msnbc..right?

    • http://www.facebook.com/dahloan.hembree Dahloan Hembree

      Its a copy. MIne looks like that and it is a copy.

  • Marj

    Good Morning Everyone:
      If anybody on the internet was born in Hawaii would you let us look at your Birth certificate to see exactly what it looks like to use an a comparision to President Barack Obamams live certificate of Birth.

  • Marj

    Dear Frink 3825
      Thanks for sharing with me exactly what your  Green Microfish Birth Certificate looks like. People should let the public know what it looks like, & put this on Facebook to draw more attention to the issue, That way everyone would eventually learn the truth about Presidents Obamas fate. Why hasn’t he been impeached for doing this not only to the American people but the world as awhole?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dahloan.hembree Dahloan Hembree

    Ever heard of a copy? My first one said Live birth. My copy i got is different. Looks like Obama.s. Order a copy for yourself. Admit people that you hate blacks. He could have been born in your home town and you would still hate him. I am glad to know that a majority of people are not idiots. I find some joy in that thought.

    • scottymac54

      Dahloan? Haven’t you heard the “Avenue Q” cast album?
      Everyone’s just a LITTLE bit racist…
      What a simple, poorly informed moron you are, LOL!

    • http://www.facebook.com/melissa.dawn.18062 Melissa Dawn

      you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Its not about race. Its about a communist illegally in office. Figure it out!

    • Schawminator

      All birth certificates issued in Hawaii in the 60s were black and white copies of the microfilm original record. this is what mine looks like as well. It is either a positive of negative picture copy. not color with a green background generated by a computer program. Computer programs did not exist in the 60s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dahloan.hembree Dahloan Hembree

    Time Magazine. This proves Obama is from Hawaii….On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama’s parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II.
    Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City… later
    Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing “grievous mental suffering”—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1729685,00.html#ixzz20xdMrlwf

    wf

    • scottymac54

      You seriously don’t think anyone here has already seen this, drawn appropriate conclusions from this, and moved on?
      What kind of “Maui Wowee” have YOU been toking on, that you think this is a coherent judgement, that you can validate? LOL….

    • Schawminator

      Time magazine didn’t prove anything because no one can produce a copy of the original Hawaii BC like others can.
      His father was also a non-citizen if we are to belive this BS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dahloan.hembree Dahloan Hembree

    When her son was almost 2, Ann returned to college. Money was tight. She collected food stamps and relied on her parents to help take care of young Barack. She would get her bachelor’s degree four years later. In the meantime, she met another foreign student, Lolo Soetoro, at the University of Hawaii. (“It’s where I send all my single girlfriends,” jokes her daughter Soetoro-Ng, who also married a man she met there.) He was easygoing, happily devoting hours to playing chess with Ann’s father and wrestling with her young son. Lolo proposed in 1967.
    Mother and son spent months preparing to follow him to Indonesia—getting shots, passports and plane tickets. Until then, neither had left the country

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1729685,00.html#ixzz20xdt2vn9

    • Schawminator

      This is where he became a Indoneasian citizen and a student of the Quran and changed his name. At this point he had USA, UK and indonesia citizenships. Plus he was a Muslim learnig to eat dog meat. Nice family resume!

      • Deapster

        Recently visited Barry’s boyhood home neighborhood in Jakarta – quite plush, gated residences, tree-lined streets – diplomatic zone of expats.

        No rustic log cabin, Horatio Alger boot-strapping history in our boy Barry’s provenance. Nor any traction he was bred to be an Islamist secret agent. This was pure white boy surroundings.

        Don’t forget mom divorced Sotero because he was too corporate and capitalist for her tastes. Their upscale Jakarta neighborhood and private schooling for son Barry underscores this point too.

        Our first black populist president live high and large his entire life, on other people’s money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dahloan.hembree Dahloan Hembree

    So Barack was six – before he ever left the United states. Thus he was born in America. Now disbute those facts – just say it, you guys are bigots

    • scottymac54

      What does one have to do with the other?
      If Obama were born in Kosovo to an Argentinian mother, how would the question at hand be affected?
      At some point, you’re going to have to start explaining exactly how screaming “ray-cess” from the side of the project courtyard justifies this candidate’s qualifications, particularly since you appear white, your family appears lily-white from your facebook portrait, the blog you are commenting on is not particularly committed to discussions of social justice and inequities, and you’re aware that the majority of the bloggers here are white.
      It’s on YOU, to explain why you’ve levelled particular charges, that are not promoting a color-blind society, but are ANTI-WHITE in nature, and think that, after four years of manipulating misplaced white guilt and hurling racially motivated package bombs to deflect from a totally related issue, and think you’re going to get away with not being called on it.
      I’d really like to know how you think you can respond to this fact, I really would.

    • Schawminator

      Just say it Obama is not a Black man as he was born of a white woman’s womb. He is something else. He was, so to speak born of a father classified as 0 for race coding. Plus African for race ID was never used in the 60s. Plus where is the original microfilm copy of his BC. answer there arn’t any in the name of Barack H. Obama. This is why he cannot release any of his record including passport history.In college he was known a Barry not Barack says the LA Times reports. his useful idots refuse to believe the truth.

      • Deapster

        It certainly is true he was only known as Barry (Sotero?) in college – at least when he was attending Claremont in Southern California. Verified by brother of his roommate who knew him only as Barry and still refers to him today as Barry.

        The amazing transformation into Black Man National Savior Barack Obama is pure, calculated theater. Notice how much cheap milage he gets out of making fun of what he calls his “funny name”. Pure theater.

        • Schawminator

          Always remember to make a note of, that on the released birth certificate it states his father’s race as 0 and his mother’s as 1. So how by federal law and state record could he be a black man. That legal designation always reverts back to his mother’s race and she was White.

  • cb

    How dare you bring a well-reasoned argument against Larry here?! We won’t stand for it!!!!! HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY!!!!!!!

  • claribel borden

    I dont even read you, do you have any understanding how insignificant you are?

  • uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

    Once more for those not paying attention… the certificate submitted by the Obama campaign is NOT a copy of his original birth certificate. If they continue to be evasive on the issue, there will continue to be speculation.

    It is not pertinent what it says on Sean’s birth certificate nor that of his wife.

  • mcnor

    How old are you? Obviously, you don’t understand legal documents.

  • GoHillary

    I don’t understand. You seem to be obama supporter, yet you say your certificate includes this:

    I, Darcy A. Hawes, depose and say that I hold the office of assistant Town clerk of the Town of Framingham, county of middlesex, and Commonwealth of Massachusetts; that the records of births required by law to be kept in said town are in my custody, and that the above is a true copy from the records of births in said Town, as certified by me.

    witness my hand and seal of said Town on September 7, 1999

    Darcy A Hawes, Assistant Town Clerk”

    That is what a lot of people here are trying to say.

    A certificate or certification is given by SOMEONE who puts down their name on the certificate, their title and where to find them in case someone wants to verify.

    Mere letterhead is not enough.

  • Obama Troll

    ROFLMAO!!!

  • Mary

    Nobody reads his posts, claribel.

    He doesn’t even realize it. LOL

  • tj coleman

    WOW,
    The trolls want the tape more then we do. Im sure they will get their wish! Probably not until October though.

    I still wonder why they deny it since their own campaign said she was saying why’d he not whitey. You would not do this unless there was some truth to the matter that you might want to conceal.

  • http://adolfobama.org David Axisrutt

    ‘cdnblaze’. What a clever handle. What a stupid person. Bad match. ;)

  • blk4hillary

    cdnblaze, has it ever occured to you that the people you are dissing on here are democrats and not republicans. Your candidates needs us our he doesnt have a prayer. More people voted for our candidate but rational logic was ignored to ordain your candidate the nominee. Apparently we have to live with that but going forward you may trying to unite people behind your candidate. I doubt he can win regardless but he sure as heck cant win without the Hillary supporters

  • http://adolfobama.org David Axisrutt

    cdnblaze – ROTFL What a stupid name.