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A.P.: “Will Clinton’s Base Jump to McCain?”

By SusanUnPC on June 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM in Barbara Jordan, DNC, Disenfranchisement, Hillary Clinton

From the Associated Press’s channel at YouTube:


Special thanks to V for spotting this video.

V also sets up and creates the videos on the No Quarter channel at YouTube — it’s fascinating to browse through the videos at this blog’s channel.

V also has his own channel: V4Hill.

  • AF catfish

    Very cool AP started their own channel.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Not that I trust them either. remember what they did to try to get South Dakaota voters to stay home. They announced on the day of the primary that Clinton was leaving the race. The shits. All the networks picked it up and had to retract. It was a bald faced lie.

      • standard

        Yeah, I was hoping to find out the story behind that.

    • Lucinda

      They’ve (the AP) has been producing news video for a couple of years and selling the service to local newspapers. Our paper used their videos on its website. After 10 years as my paper’s liaison with AP, it’s amazing to me that they put it on You Tube. They’re not usually into giving away free stuff.

    • pasmalltowngirl

      Comment by pasmalltowngirl | 2008-06-16 10:01:36

      I AM SO SICK OF THE DNC AND THE MEDIA PUNDITS SAYING HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. BECAUSE OF SEXISM OR RACISM !!!

      I AM SO SICK OF THE DNC AND THE MEDIA PUNDITS SAYING HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL EVENTUALLY COME AROUND AND SUPPORT OBAMA !!!

      I AM SO SICK OF THE MEDIA GIVING THEIR BIASED OPINIONS INSTEAD OF GIVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FACT BASED REPORTING !!!

      I AM SO SICK OF THE DNC AND THE MEDIA PUNDITS DISMISSING US, JUST LIKE THEY DID TO HILLARY !!!

      THIS HILLARY SUPPORTER WILL VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN !!!

      THIS HILLARY SUPPORTER WILL NOT EVER VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA. NOT BECAUSE OF RACE OR SEX BUT BECAUSE HE IS THE MOST UNQUALIFIED CANDIDATE TO EVER RUN FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN OUR GREAT COUNTRY AND THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!

      THIS HILLARY SUPPORTER WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A MAN WHO HAS MANY MANY TERRORIST, RADICAL ANTI-AMERICAN ASSOCIATES. WITH A LIST THAT GROWS DAILY. MANY WHOM HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO HIS CAMPAIGN AND HAVE HELPED THIS UNQUALIFIED MAN GET TO WHERE HE IS TODAY !!!

      THIS RACE CAN NOT BE ABOUT DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN PARTY ANYMORE. IT ABSOLUTLY HAS TO BE ABOUT WHO IS THE MOST QUALIFIED TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE IN THESE TROUBLING TIMES. NOT WHO IS GOING TO HELP DESTROY IT !!!

      • UKforDems

        Obama goes in to this election with more experience than Bill Clinton, so what is really behind the opposition?

        • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

          Obama has “more experience” than Clinton did hmm?

          Ok.. In 2004, Bush had to fill 3,202 political appointee positions within the Federal Government

          Since Obama has so much experience , please tell us some of the people he would be appointing and to what position .. just a few examples please

  • Bud White

    Yes, we will

    • realchicken

      I feel sorry for you having to vote for the scary old warmonger with the yellow teeth who can’t keep the days straight.

      The old turd who called his wife a cunt, laughed when his supporter called Hillary a bitch and told a joke: “know why Chelsea is so ugly? because Janet Reno is her father!”

      Have fun!!!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0 Obama Trolls Are Idiots

        REAL CHICKEN

        Whatever rock you crawled out from under –

        go back.

        We have heard it all ass – we are not voting for your “man/thug”

        JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

        NO OBAMA/MARXIST
        MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

      • http://dianej.wordpress.com DianeJ

        You selected a very interesting name for yourself……realchicken – hmmmmmmmmm.

      • Hope Floats

        Considering the alternative, it could be worse.

      • http://camoderate ca moderate

        We vote for what is best for the country – not who is prettiest! Get a clue – this is not a beauty contest!

        • american sawbuck

          And that Obama is a real looker (not) ?????? give me a break
          and he pats his wifes ass>>>>>.klassy

      • BJinChicago

        Realchicken, your moniker aptly describes your character. Like the other brown shirts, you don’t deal in facts but attempt to demean opponents through the use of scurrilous attacks. With Clinton it was sexist comments and with McCain it is now ageist ones.

        Truth is, Realchicken, McCain is twice the man Obama is. He is an American hero while your man is an empty suit. He has experience while your guy has a speech. He has character while your guy has Ayers and Dorn. He has what people look for in a president while- oh why go on? Forget it, I’d rather ignore you.

        • realchicken

          McCain is twice Obama–twice the age!! He is fit to lead . . . the way to the salad bar at the old folks home.

          • beebop

            You shouldn’t be so down on age. Without your parents you’d actually have to GET A JOB and work for a living ….

            • McCain-Hillary08

              That’s right, cause anyone who is an Obama supporter is young, right?

              Nice way to add to the political discourse. Make assumptions and insult people. If this site is any indication of the McCain supporters, that seems to be all you can do. Well that and come up with some crazy conspiracy theories.

            • Ethan

              He’s also a bit weak in math. He ought to focus on multiplication in Summer School, so that when Grade School reopens in the fall, he’ll be ready.

          • nancy sabet

            At least he is snoring coc or lies up to his teeth, surround himself with bunch of gangsters.

        • TheVoiceOfReason

          brown shirts or marxism?
          can’t be both i guess…

        • UKforDems

          Let us get this American Hero straight. Kerry was an American Hero as he saved his companions from death. McSame ignored his instructions and got caught. That is not being a hero it is being a fool. Mcsame is no American Hero.

          • rjj

            Yeaaaaaah! Whatta guy!

            Thanks for the clarification, UK.

            Good of you to take the trouble.

      • dora ratquila

        McCain is not sinless – but I find it much easier to forgive him and his followers because they’re Republicans for starters. A lot of them are non-fans of the family who beat their presidential candidate TWICE! Now, Barack Obama and his ilk are supposed to be Democrats, liberals and champions of sexual equality. What did they do to Hillary during the primaries? “Bros Before Hos!” and “C.U.N.T.”are just some of the more eloquent examples of sexism and misogyny that I remember. Besides, McCain never had a member of his inner circle who fervently and ferociously cursed this country like Wright, Pfleger and Ayers did. Come November, millions of HRC supporters who were deprived of their right to vote for the best candidate will choose to be patriotic Americans first – and vote for John McCain!

        B.O.W.L.* Big Time in November (2008)
        HRC – 45th POTUS (2012)
        *Barack Obama Will Lose

        • realchicken

          No you wont. You’ll stay home or vote for Obama. McNasty (his high school nickname) is the most uninsiring candidate I’ve seen since Bob Dole. But at least Dole knew how to tell a joke.

          • beebop

            You don’t tell us how to vote here chicken shit. You don’t tell us shit. You don’t matter here. You are the dirt on the bottom of our shoes.

            • realchicken

              Sure I am. That’s why you’re so riled up — because I don’t matter.

              A few of you will vote for McCain but the thought of looking at those yellow teeth and old-man thumbs for four years will make most puke before you go into the voting booth.

              • beebop

                No. You make me ill. Now. The thought of putting little people like you out of work and in your place and rebuilding the Democratic party is energizing. So. I will put that big X next to a true hero’s name who has served his country with honor and distinction in war and in peace and understands the consequences of both. John McCain. Thanks for playing trollface.

                • realchicken

                  Wait. You think you’re going to rebuild and take over the democratic party by leaving it to support the republican candidate????

                  I’ll get back to you when I get up off the floor laughing!!

              • Judith

                The man is a war hero. He was tortured for years. Have you no shame? Obama supporters like you are one of the main reasons I would never vote for you guy.

                • realchicken

                  Please explain how withstanding pain qualifies one to be president. They’re going to be running the country, not competing with Hulk Hogan for the WWF championship!!

                  McCain is a doddering old man who can’t find his slippers!

                  • Judith

                    I’ll just borrow s. hall’s reply:

                    McCain has 20 years in the Military and 26 years in the Senate. Obama 143 days in the Senate before he decided that he had to be President.

                    • realchicken

                      And your point is what? If you can just strap yourself to a seat in in Congress for two decades, you should be president?

                      All righty, then!!

                  • ulahane

                    “McCain is a doddering old man who can’t find his slippers!” and Obama is a coked up imbecile who can’t remember how many states there are.

                    • rosietheriveter

                      Obama is an imbecile? Absolutely. And a host of other undesirable things. But someone who can’t remember how many states there are? There are 57 Islamic nations. Obama gaffe? I think not.

              • Hope Floats

                “These are not the droids you are looking for.”

              • Teakwood

                Hey George Washington had yellow teeth! You are some kind a’ bird flue sick chiken.

        • UKforDems

          If you are a Democrat as you pretend to be please tell me what exactly was wrong with what Wright said? Chickens coming home to roost? That was the the 9/11 Commission. All that you can say is scary is who it was said by – a shouting black man. The reality is American Foreign Policy caused 9/11 and unless you elect people willing to realise that you will continue to have instability in the Middle East.

          • ulahane

            You are the kind of pond scum who would blame a rape victim by saying she dressed too provocatively. The reality is a fanatical organization made a symbolic attack on the most powerful Western country because they are opposed to all Western values.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            The gov. gives people AIDS?

            Please…….

            • UKforDems

              The US Government spread SYPHILIS among the black community; it introduced CRACK COCAINE to black suburbs to fund the Contras, is it that far removed from reality to suspect that the US Government had a role in spreading AIDS?

              • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

                UK: Please stop proving to us how horrible education is in the UK

                The US never spread syphilis. it never knowingly infected people on purpose.

                What it did do was not treat already infected persons. There is no excuse for that. But your statement was wrong. and it’s important to know the facts.

                Your thing about crack is also wrong.

                So there goes your brilliant theory

        • UKforDems

          Hard Working Americans, White Americans??? So the Hill did not play the race card? Get over it a lot was said and done by Obama and Clinton supporters during the Primaries. Now it is time to face the real enemy a third term for the Republicans; if you are Democrats then you will know the dangers that presents.

      • DJ

        LET’S SEE…AN OLDER MAN OR A HITLER REINCARNATED……HMMMMMMMM…I LOVE OLDER MEN.AND MY COUNTRY..MILLIONS FOR MCCAIN

        • s. hall

          McCain has 20 years in the Military and 26 years in the Senate. Obama 143 days in the Senate before he decided that he had to be President.

          • JoseyJ

            Obama’s handlers “decided”.
            Per Chicago Tribune – Obama began plotting his prez run during his first month in the Senate.
            Obviously, Obama was the Establishment candidate from the gitgo!
            Oops! Obamabots duped again.

      • dpvegas

        Now you object? What timing. And, pray tell, what names have you called Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea…’cause all you Hope-a-Dopes have indulged in Clinton hating, abject sexism and much, much more as well.

        Try something else. Better yet…don’t.

        • realchicken

          Now you object? What timing. And, pray tell, what names have you called Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea?>>

          Let’s see. I called them Power-hungry, greedy, sleazy, liars to name a few. But I’m not running for president and pretending to be a friend of Hillary’s.

          McCain will lose. Know why? The same reason Kerry lost: Because his supporters are not *for* him; they’re *against* Obama.

          • Hope Floats

            Kerry lost because people thought he was a snob, a sissy devoid of any personality with an unlikable wife and no real difference from Bush. Pictures of a shirtless Obama with his jiggling man-boobies will remind voters of John Kerry wind-surfing: flip floppy weak and out of touch. Look at Rottweiler Michelle and look at Theresa Heinz Kerry; see a similarity? The Obama brand is poison. The war hero and his milfy blonde beer heiress wife will be in the White House this election year.

            • realchicken

              Yeah, sure. Keep telling that to yourself and maybe you won’t slit your wrists on 11/5 when the old man and his drug-addicted, drug-stealing wife hobble back to the old-folks home!

      • s. hall

        Uppity — How bout that guy from the Pew Organization who says SOME women are beginning to come back to Obama. Bull no pollster called me. Cause I ain’t coming back — Gee the Democrats look nervous. Between the Hillary Democrats going for McCain and the Conservative Democrats refusing to support Obama I think Howard Benedict Arnold Dean is beginning to feel the pressure.

        • rjj

          Of course *some* will come back to Obama.

          Kerry lost by 3.5 million votes (never mind Ken Blackwell’s intervention in Central Bushistan).

      • C.S.

        Gender discrimination complete…moving on to age discrimination…next up….children or apple pie?

      • BluDawg

        No Obama!

        No Kenyan Kangaroo candidate!

      • KarenAnn

        Perhaps you could cite your source for that second paragraph. Other than the Obama rumor mill
        of course. You know, like an audio or video? A news report with byline? No? I didn’t think so.

      • SBwa

        Why is it that your level of argumentation can never rise above defamation and personal attacks? Are you twelve years old?

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Your potty mouth and ageist remarks tell me that you aren’t a liberal.

        You must be one of the odd balls Obama attracted.

        • realchicken

          My, my, my. If it’s isn’t AnninCA with her nutcase rantings. What happened? Did they run you off HuffPo? You’re in the right place with the rest of the losers!!

      • Ms J in FL

        another little with man-genius with penis envy. The ladies like fiesty little old men. McCain is HOT!! We especially enjoy the way he’s been kicking Obombo in the NUTS every day since 6/3.

      • Zeke

        F’ing TROLL

        • Mary

          He’s stupid, too.

          Can’t we get smarter trolls?

    • LandOLincoln

      Not me. I’ve never voted for a Republican and I’m not about to start now.

      However, there’s no effing way I’ll vote for Obama either, since as far as I’m concerned he’s at least as bad as McCain. Those of you who think he’s some kind of Leftist really, really need to take at look at what he’s been saying, and who his advisors are.

      Hint: Austan Goolsbee is hardly what you’d call a Leftist, capiche?

      And right now I’m debating between Old Mexico, Scotland, or France. My country and my party are gone. It’s time to move on.

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Oh yeah, just bail and leave us behind to clean up the mess. Thanks.

      • McBush

        Here’s a position I can respect. LandOLincoln although I disagree with you about O, I respect the fact that you’re not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I too have never voted for a Republican and never will.

        • JoseyJ

          I never thought I’d vote Republican in 08 – but this Dem family doesn’t vote for candidates indoctrinated with white supremacism or black separatism.
          Obama’s 20 year indoctrination into Black Liberation Theology and its hatemongering anti-white ideology that he continuously exhibited throughout the primary, is a guarantee we’ll never vote for him.

          But if you hate Whites – vote Obama.
          If you respect ALL races – vote McCain.

          Obama/Wright08

        • mimi

          Check that out, LandoLincoln, the troll respects you because you’re following what they want: to either stay home or throw your vote away.

          I’ll never give these assholes what they want.

      • Clinton Fan

        Vote PRESENT, then–it’s what Obama did when he found himself in a tough spot…

      • Zeke

        Don’t let the door hit you in the ass but for all our sakes go to France where a history of heads up asses is well established.

  • http://www.liberalrapture.com/ John Smart

    I already have.

  • Percy11

    My vile response to Obama has nothing to do with Hillary… not Hillary nor her campaign nor her apparent loss so far of the nomination.

    Obama lost my vote based on his own merits. Nothing to do with the color of his skin….not because of the way Hillary was treated etc….

    MLK said judge a man by the substance of his character and not by the color of his skin…. therefore… I have no choice but to support McCain….Obama has no substance and is not worthy of the highest office in the land.

    He can not be trusted.

    Hillary or McCain 08

    • jwrjr

      The only candidate worse than McCain would be Obama. For this skin color is irrelevant. There are too many good reasons to vote against Obama to bring up non-issues like color.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

    I don’t want her to be his VP either. I will not vote for him. He could have Jesus as a VP and I will not vote for him. I do not trust Barack Obama with my country or with my rights as a woman.

    • http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/ turndownobama-com

      Yes, what worries me most is that they might pressure Hillary into taking VP “for the good of the party.” Then she might be stuck for 8 years!

      http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/

      • Hope Floats

        It would only make her look better when she runs again in 2012. No one wants to vote for Obama period.

        • http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/ turndownobama-com

          If she is VP choice, I’ll go into panic mode and work my ass off for McCain!

          I don’t want to see HIllary ironing Obama’s shirt for eight years.

          No Remington Steele presidency!

          http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-no
          t-to-accept-vp/

          • Hope Floats

            Ha ha ha ha. My thoughts exactly.

    • sisterdo

      Amen, sister woman.

    • s. hall

      Uppity Hillary being on the ticket would not make me vote for Obama.

  • Mandelay

    Definitely. If Hillary does not break with the party and run as an Independent, Johnny Mac gets my little vote and may the force be with him to do good. My country first. My party … a distant fifth, behind family and friends and that large group of people who ride the NYC Subway every day. Obama? Sooo bad for America.

    • Democrat

      4412 dead Americans from the war so far. With McCain as president, how high will that go?

      • WildChild

        how high will it go under a BOBO administration?

        • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

          since Obama can’t even push the right button when voting, or hold a single nato hearing to find the needs of the troops support needed, likely far higher than if McCain is in the Oval office. Right Democrat?

          • KJMontana

            …or hold a single NATO hearing to find the needs of the troops support needed….

            THAT was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. We have troops that have served 3 and 4 tours in Iraq that are now headed to Afghanistan because the senator from illinois couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do the job he was elected to do. He didn’t hold a single meeting to get even try to get support for the campaign in Afghanistan from other NATO countries because he was TOO BUSY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. He thinks he’s qualified to be President???? If it weren’t so sad it would be laughable.

          • KJMontana

            …or hold a single NATO hearing to find the needs of the troops support needed….

            THAT was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. We have troops that have served 3 and 4 tours in Iraq that are now headed to Afghanistan because the senator from illinois couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do the job he was elected to do. He didn’t hold a single meeting to get even try to get support for the campaign in Afghanistan from other NATO countries because he was TOO BUSY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. He thinks he’s qualified to be President???? If it weren’t so sad it would be laughable.

      • UniversityofIowaJR

        I don’t know, but it won’t help the numbers to invade nuclear-armed and unstable Pakistan as he said he would do.

      • memyself&i

        The number of casualties would have been much higher without the surge that McCain supported.

        McCain had the courage to put country first, before self interest, before party. He opposed his party, and risked his political career to fight for the surge that is now working.

        He has two sons in the military. At least one of them is in Iraq. He knows what is at stake.

      • PhxNickD

        not as high as if Obama is president. obama wants to withdraw troops without doing anything else. what happens when the violence continues because he has not done anything and troops are down to 50%? Hillary sent it more eloquently, she said we will withdraw troops “responsibility” John McCain says we needs to resolve the problems on the ground — both are saying the same thing. obama is just making a statement to appease people that have no sense of what we have done there (both right or wrong). fact is we started the war, mismanaged it and now people like you want to leave it in ruins. McCain wants a solution! What the hell does BHO want?

      • s. hall

        With Obama as President will we leave Israel in the dust to be attacked by Muslim nations? He has hinted that this would be his Foreign Policy. If it is then we will look back on the days of $4.50 gas as the good old days. Cause if the nukes start flying in that part of the world we are all destroyed.

      • beebop

        Barack is a Blackwater supporter … you think there will be fewer people killed?

      • JoseyJ

        Obama LIES – by claiming he was “always against the war.”
        During Obama’s 2004 senate campaign, he railed about Congress funding the war. But a few months later, he was on the Senate floor – voting to fund the war.
        So many bots are duped by Obama simply because he opposed the war when he couldn’t vote. But yet they hold McCain’s war votes against him – while Obama voted for 2 years to “support the troops” by funding the war.

        Obama is a con and a flim flammer – assisted by the media and Washington establishment.

      • BluDawg

        0buma killed 2.3 Million votes.

        How’s that for a body count?

      • Hope Floats

        You keep saying that all the time. No one thinks our soldiers are being “killed.” Nobody outside of a psych ward, anyway.

        • Zeke

          I read recently that the chances of being killed by violence
          in Washington D.C. were higher than in Baghdad. Mind you, I still like walking the Mall and all but, it does make you think.

      • NomNomNom

        Actually, I’m worried about the number of Anmerican citizens at home who will be killed if he takes office. BHO = Stalin.

        • NomNomNom

          oops, typos Americans

  • http://pumaparty.com//hillarysmygirl08 Hillaryormccain08

    I will never vote for Obama if Hillary is not the nominee then I will vote for McCain. I do not think that Obama is qualified to be President and this country is at war with two different countries. I also do not trust his judgement it seems none of his friends are very American.

  • http://make-it-plain.blogspot.com/ sonya

    I won’t endorse the corruption of the DNC by voting for the unqualified Obama. If Hillary isn’t on the top of the ballot in November, I’ll vote for McCain.

  • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

    They had to get that racist remark in once again, Axelrod won’t let it go will he!

    MLK said jugde a man not by the color of his skin but by his character!

    What character does a person have who lies numerous times while speaking at a pulpit in a church?

    What character does a man have lying continually over his associations?

    What character does a man have claiming legislation he never had pass, but claims to have had passed?

    What character does a man have peoducing a phoney piece of paper claiming it to be a birth certificate?

    What character does a man have telling people if they bring a knife, we bring a rifle?

  • mimi

    In a word: YES!

    I know I am.

  • politicsIsdirty

    Let us not talk of endorsing or voting for McCain yet. I am hoping we can still influence the SD in the Denver convention. What is necessary is the show of force on July 3. I propose a 1 million women March to be accompanied by other supporters of Hillary Clinton.

    • realchicken

      1 million? You couldn’t even get 200 people to DC for the RBC committee meeting. Most folks have moved on. You HRC deadenders have become a laughing stock! I bet you’re still waiting for a Beatles reunion, aren’t you?

      • KJMontana

        Realchicken???

        How appropriate.

      • corage

        settle down, don’t be a hater.

      • Hope Floats

        There were only 30 people on the RBC committee. If you are talking about supporters, thousands showed up, and it’s well-documented.

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Then why are you here, are you some deranged stalker? Wasting energy on a fight supposedly already won shows a lack of fighting skills. Save your powder for Mccain. And it looks the memo for the day is that ‘the tide is turning and women are already turning back to Obama” It’s such bullshit, otherwise you would have seen a bigger bump in the polls. Barky should be leading McCain by about 20 points not a measley 3-7 depending on the poll cited at this point. Hell, even the milktoast Kerry was ahead of Bush by about 17 points when he wrapped up the nomination. If we are truly “deadenders” as Rumsfeld, er…Axelrod has labeled us, you wouldn’t be here, so prove us wrong and leave.

      • sisterdo

        Way to get votes, even your loving news told you that you can’t win without Clinton voters. Neither side can.

        So, Obarky’s the Deadender, he’s still insulting voters.

      • PhxNickD

        you keep believing that and a silent revolution will surprise you in November

      • C.S.

        Not waiting for a Beatles reunion, not even Obama can raise the dead. But 8 years and 3 elections later we’re still waiting for Democrats to eject George W. Bush from Our White House.

      • http://www.floridademandsrepresentation.org RallyGirl

        Just a little fact-checking on this statement. First, the groups who assembled at the RBC were, for the most part, VOTER’S RIGHTS GROUPS, whose representatives supported a variety of candidates. In fact, the buses from Florida carried over 250 folks, over 100 of which were supporters of Senator Obama’s, who also felt their votes had been stolen. 33 States were represented in this coalition, and the numbers were closer to 900-1000. If you are going to make claims, please know what you are talking about.

        • Hope Floats

          I remember when Obama said, if he wanted to, with the click of a mouse, he could get thousands of people to show up. Probably didn’t want them to blow their wad before the Denver riots or rumors of the crap cannon scared them off.

    • http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/ turndownobama-com

      The more we talk about McCain, the more ammunition we give Hillary for Denver. If the DNC hears and believes how many of us will go to McCain, the DNC may come to its senses and nominate HIllary to keep us home.

      • JP49

        Howard Dean is refusing to put Hillary’s name on the convention ballot so the supers cannot vote for her. This has never happened in our history.

  • http://thoughtfulvetting thoughtfulvetting

    Oh, no, it is not too soon to tell that most Clinton supporters will defect from the Democratic Party — at least for its unqualified presumptious candidate, but also for many down-ticket Dems who supported him. John Kerry better start worrying about his seat. This primary campaign has been a heist. I am no longer angry, I am horrified and I will do everything in my power to defeat BO.

    Add one more issue. Most Americans are centrists, they are not “progressives” or “social conservatives”. Both Hillary and McCain speak to centrist positions even though they have significant differences. BO proposes radical progressive programs on one hand; with the other he approves everything the corporations tell him to approve. (Note he bought superdelegate votes before he began his campaign through his heavily corporate-funded Hopefund.) His head is switching back and forth so fast he cannot tell which direction he is headed. Watch him closely when he speaks — first to the right, then to the left, like an automaton, never in the center. The body language is telling.

    If you couldn’t guess, it is McCain for me if it is not Hillary. I will wait for her until August, and I will help her retire her campaign debt (heidili), but at the same time, I will begin listening to McCain, perhaps working for him, and perhaps contributing to his campaign.

    I have had it with undemocratic, authoritarian so-called Democrats. PumaPAC has great ideas and so does camille424.blogspot.com. Send the imaginatively colored-in-with-appropriate-text outline of your hand to Dean tomorrow showing him and the DNC how you are VOTING NO ON BO.

    • http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/ turndownobama-com

      Hands, oranges, shoes — the DNC will just have the Post Office send them straight to the landfill, and deny that they ever received them.

      If you’re going to do stuff like that, send it to someone who has a motive to broadcast it — such as Leno, Letterman, Greta….

      • Judith

        Great idea!!!!!!!

    • PhxNickD

      I wonder why the news is not seeing this? they keep complaining that women are “angry” or “sore losers” but are not paying attention to middle America – those centrists – who the DNC and people like Donkey Brazzier think they don’t need to win the election. I know many people who don’t sit online and write to blogs, who would never vote for someone like BHO just for his associations. I got an email today from someone who forwarded me the reason why BHO does not wear a flag pin. The original message ended with the following statement: “Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this could possibly be our next president!! I, for once, am speechless. He has absolutely NO pride in this country!!!!! This is outrageous!!!! He doesn’t deserve to be dogcatcher!!!
      (Oh, sorry dogcatchers, I mean you no disrespect.)” The message had been cc’ed to about 100 people before I received it. While most of us know this reason already, many are just finding out and these are the ones who will be voting McCain in office in November.

  • catherine

    I will not vote for Obama- no way no how not now not in November, not ever. I don’t trust him and neither do the 4 other voting members of my immediate family. I find his mentors scary. I believe he comes from a background of massive corruption. I find his approach to foreign affairs also scary. I believe he and his campaign cleverly orchestrated his win by manipulating the game.
    I believe he is more concerned about winning the game than doing the job. Compared to Hillary and McCain he is a lightweight. Saying “Yes we Can” is not enough for me and I don’t care if he puts Hillary on the ticket. I don’t want him running the country. I pray the DNC has trouble raising money and that there will be thousands of people protesting the DNC convention in August. I know I will not be watching.

  • SONIA

    I already have moved to MCCAIN while i still am a P.U.M.A. democrat and i blog at mccain,s blog AND ALL PRO-HILL blogs .

    BTW– happy father,s day to all the dads.(its 9-40pm pst in ca)

    • http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/ turndownobama-com

      Hi, Sonia! Yay for you!

      1950=turndown

    • s. hall

      Sonya — If the media wants to know if we are seriously going to vote for McCain instead of Obama they should check the changes of party registrations all over the country.

    • Judith

      Sonia, I wondered where you were, and workingclassartist too.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0 Obama Trolls Are Idiots

    My family in five states will jump to McCain. So, to answer the question – yes more than the DNC probably wants to admit. We have voted for black men and women many times – we just don’t want to vote for this black man.

    They always have to get the race issue involved. Why did they pick that woman? Because she used the race issue.

    JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

    NO OBAMA/MARXIST
    MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

    • McBush

      Yawn… the same rap. Over and over and over and over and over again. Say it another 1000 times maybe that’ll make you feel better. I’m gonna vote for McCain, me too, me three, yeah me too. I say so what. The more you say it the less impact it has. BOOORRRIINNGGG.

      • Ellen D

        Then run along kiddies.

      • corage

        m.c.bush settle down, don’t be a hater.

        • McBush

          I’m not trying to be hater. I’ve TRIED to reason here initially. Tried to understand. Only to be met with the obligatory troll comments if you don’t agree with the support Hill line of thinking. There are certain undeniable truths that people here at NQ refuse and will never accept. It seems that the tone may be changing. And regardless of who the fans of NQ choose to support I don’t want to denigrate them for that choice. It just turns my stomach at the methods and comments that I sometimes hear from supposed Democrats.

          • Hope Floats

            Oh, yeah. “McBush” is so reasonable. The name says it all. Barely old enough to vote or appallingly stupid for his age.

            • McBush

              Exhibit A.

              • PhxNickD

                Exhibit B

          • noproblama

            No, we tried to reason with you hopies – for months. All you wanted to do was insult us and our candidate and spread a crap load of propaganda from obummer’s website, most of it a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

            We’re through talking to you “reasonably” so come here only if you want to be put swiftly and directly in your place. Which as far as we’re concerned is up barkey’s ass.

            Oh, and many of us are no longer Democrats so you can also shove the guilt trip.

            • McBush

              Guilt trip? I could give a shit if you were Democrats or not. YOUR candidate condemned herself. Now all you have left if this pitiful bullshit about a birth certificate and any other irrelevant crap you can drone on and on about incessantly on this site to the point of absurdity. The energy here that’s exerted to disprove a perceived negative instead of expound a positive is pathetic. You’re getting pimped by Mac and FOX like a stepchild whose looking for her daddy and in his absence any substitute will do.. no matter how objectionable. You’ll sell your soul for revenge and convince yourself you’re doing it for altruistic reasons.

              • StrawberrybitesBarky

                You are so friggin’ funny. You and Guy Incognito downthread. You and the rest of your breed are the main reason most people wil not vote for barky. He lies, cheats, stalks, and pulls childish pranks (ie Echo Chamber) to try and stifle dissent. All we have is the truth. We are not stalking you, we are not threatening you, we are not harassing you, you are in our house and being rude. You have no manners and the rest of America will see this as well and vote accordingly.

                • McBush

                  You and the rest of your breed are the main reason most people wil not vote for barky

                  Quit it, stop it.. lol If I’m the reason you’re not voting for O then you’re even more obtuse than I thought. And the truth is relative. I’ve read your truth.. the tape, the gay guy, etc. etc. and on and on. THAT’S your truth. And if you think that I’m harrassing you by not buying into your crap, then you’re even weaker than I thought. As far as your vote, again, I don’t give a shit, so save the threats.

                  • C.S.

                    Hey, McBush, they have been trying to reason with you. If you won’t accept their viewpoint why should you expect them to accept yours? You are clinging to YOUR point of view in the very same way you accuse them of doing.

                    They get it, your conversion is complete but so is their’s and insulting them only hardens their resolve because you can’t tell people how stupid they are and then expect them to blindly follow you; that only works in cults. And Clinton’s supporters have proven they blindly follow no one.

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

                Scared that your Pimpdaddy is going down? It shows!

                • McBush

                  Actually no. I’m feel very good about his chances of winning in the fall, which is why I don’t mind telling the NQ wackos to fuck off. You won’t make a difference, of that I’m sure. NQ likes to hijack the “18 million people who voted for Hillary” as their own. But we all know that’s not the case. Of one thing I’m sure.. Hill won’t be standing on that podium in January.

                  • PragmatismRules

                    neither will the fraude obo

              • Hope Floats

                You do a lot of talking out your ass for someone who claims to care about issues.

            • McCain-Hillary08

              “obummer’s”

              Exhibit C

              • NomNomNom

                HeeHee, I take a bow. Does that mean I get Exhibit D, too, Sparky??

          • beebop

            You chose to come to a blog that is obviously pro Clinton. Her picture is up top. Nothing has changed insofar as most of us are concerned. If he is using someone named “McBush” as reach out … I’m just sayin’

          • Clinton Fan

            If you want to have a discussion on how SWELL Obama is, there are places you can go to do that. You haven’t “tried” to do anything, except tell people that you’re right and they are not.

            People here don’t care for Obama–you might “try” to understand that. They find him untalented, inexperienced, a bit sleazy, associated with some very creepy/shady characters, bereft of judgment, and a very poor choice to be the Democratic Party standard bearer.

            You, for some reason, believe that repetition of your assertion that you like the guy will change our minds.

            IT WON’T.

            So run along, now. You’re trying to sell whiskey at a temperance meeting. We’re not buying, and we find your efforts both rude and obnoxious.

            • McCain-Hillary08

              That’s right. If you don’t have the same views as the people at this site then please go elsewhere. We don’t wish to have any sort of debate here. We just want to continue bashing Obama. Please leave us to our conspiracy theories.

          • Zeke

            “It just turns my stomach at the methods and comments that I sometimes hear from supposed Democrats.” who conspired together to deny legitimate voters their rights, who support a Marxist and who TROLL along for Barry O.
            Hey! Remember the last candidate named Barry to run for president? Do ya think we can make his ass-kicking look tiny in comparison?
            Yes We Can!

      • memyself&i

        The problem for Obama is that each voice that says it has a vote.

      • s. hall

        mcbush — then what are you doing here trying to get us to change our minds — and getting paid for it? If it bores you so much — then go and tell your boss — we are serious and there’s no need for you to keep coming back here cause you aren’t going to change our minds.

        • Hope Floats

          This is his chance to tell people he hates them. Then he’ll hate them for the next four years just like he did for the last eight years. “McBush” has conveniently taken up blaming all the evils of the world on Republicans.

          Instead of taking responsibility for Democratic party failures, instead of taking nuanced change positions, instead of looking at the big picture, he sees everything in black and white. This is from either a borderline personality disorder or cult indoctrination. It freaks the shit out of everyone he encounters, but he’ll keep losing the election for his candidate by making him seem like a fascist cult of personality leader. “McBush” is doing God’s work, though he’s a dumbass.

  • Mr.Murder

    John Kennedy’s speech writer gave an amazing interview on CSpan Book TV today, rebroadcast now.

    Mr.Sorensen helped pen many of our greatest words, he’s a big Obama fan, a cowriter of his most recent book also writes for Obama.

    He never directly spoke against George Bush, but he did make several points that sounded like he was talking directly about Bush.

    “Never foolish enough to start a land war in Asia.”(On their avoiding escalation).
    “Never talked down to Americans, or insulted them by speaking in terms of the lowest common demoninator.”

    Well then, that is calling out GWB without directly doing it.

    In my opnion, his own delight in Obama is reach, but I love Sorenson’s body of work and his controbution to the body politic.

    Worth a look in any event, he lost a lot of viewers at the end of his interview, people who were around to vote when he was a speechwriter.

    • drkate

      well obama talked down to plenty of Americans.

      THis HRC supporter is voting McCain. So is my family in 4 states. So are my friends in others.

      I am going to organize in every state with others so we are sure Obama loses. the margin is going to be significant.

      Obama is unqualified to be president.

      • Hope Floats

        I hope you have family or friends in Ohio, Colorado, Virginia and / or Florida. They say he’s competitive in Florida, but I’m not buying it. Write that state off along with Michigan, West Virginia and Kentucky. You can probably chalk up New Hampshire and Arkansas (usually red) for the Republicans, too.

        I’m thinking this will be a repeat of Kerry, if he’s lucky. In that case, I think Obama will lose in Ohio. I hope you have family in any of these states.

        • dpvegas

          I call Ohio the land of my inlaws. And my husband knows no one who will be voting for BO there. And his mother (in Ohio) knows no one who will vote for BO. His chances of getting Ohio are looking very, very slim.

        • s. hall

          Hope Floats people say they trust Democrats on the issues but they don’t vote for Democrats as President. The reason being people believe Democrats don’t share their values. As a Democrat I used to hear this time and time again. If this is true then the American people do not share Obama’s values and will vote against him in the General.

  • IHeartHillary!!!!

    I DEFINITELY won’t be voting for a man who fraudulently took Hillary’s nomination via VOTERS AND RULES that Hillary agreed to. No OBAMA!!! NO RULES!!!! NO VOTERS!!!! NEVER NOBAMA (aka, terrorist, Radical Muslim, angry Christian, small doe-eyed Disney character, woman hater, effiminate dick sucker, atheistic Chicago thug who runs dirty elections based on VOTERS AND RULES!!!)

    Plan A: Clinton
    Plan B: McCain
    Plan C: Move to Canada or Crawford, Texas

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      Please….this is getting old.

      • Hope Floats

        Agreed.

        • Nicole

          The above poster–obviously an Obama TROLL should be banned for violating NoQuarter’s rules!

          • McBush

            That’s right all the ills of the world directly attritutable to Obama.

            IHeartHillary!!!!

            Obviously an Obama troll. It couldn’t be one of the NQ spawns given voice by the previous extreme tone of this site.

          • Zee

            Yep, it’s in the rules to ban the obvious repetition of trollcrap.

            It’s repeating the same lines.

    • s. hall

      IHeartHillary!!!! Loved your post. You forgot one thing — Obama was a doper.

      • JoseyJ

        According to his book, Obama used cocaine during his teen years.
        But earlier this year, Mark Halperin, The Page, reported that Axelrod said Obama stopped using cocaine in his early 20s.
        Hmm….and now I can’t find that article.

        • Hope Floats

          Don’t worry. The Republicans can. Heh heh.

  • danp

    I refuse to vote for someone for the office of President of the United States who:

    has not been vetted,

    has not told us what he means by “change” or how he would govern,

    gave the finger to a US Senator in a public forum,

    tells Clinton supporters they are racist because we disagree with him,

    remained a member of a hateful political organization disguised as a “church”,

    has a long term relationship with a domestic terrorist whose goal is to overthrow the US govt.,

    has as his chief financier, a man who has just been convicted of federal corruption, the Jack Abramoff of Chicago,

    has no significant accomplishments in public service,

    has his surrogates threaten superdelegates that if they do not hand the nomination to him, his supporters will riot in Denver,

    was selected by party bosses instead of elected by the will of the people.

    Stop the fraud. If Hillary is not the nominee, vote McCain. It’s simple.

    • wtf

      “has not told us what he means by “change” or how he would govern” – Please go to his website, there’s plenty of information there. An informed person would never repeat this line.

      “tells Clinton supporters they are racist because we disagree with him” – this is propaganda, he never did that.

      “has no significant accomplishments in public service” – you can go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ to see his record. It’s almost the same as Hillary’s. So to say he has no accomplishments is to say Hillary has no accomplishments.

      “has his surrogates threaten superdelegates that if they do not hand the nomination to him, his supporters will riot in Denver” – I think you’re confusing him with Hillary on this one. If I am incorrect, could you please link to an artical proving this? It could be an interesting read.

      “was selected by party bosses instead of elected by the will of the people” – this is the rules of the Democratic party. I don’t like them either and see no reason that we can’t have a true Democracy. That being said, the “Hillary won the popular vote” theory is speculative at best due to the caucus system where popular vote is not accounted for.

      “Stop the fraud. If Hillary is not the nominee, vote McCain. It’s simple.” – it’s really not that simple. You have to look at McCain’s platform and ask yourself if you could afford to live under his rule for the next 4 years.

      • Teakwood

        Unless he was born on US SOIL,

        It’s almost the same you mean like horse shoes and …….

      • Hope Floats

        Yes, most people at NQ decided we prefer McCain over Obama in the GE.

        We have looked at Obama’s platform and found it was uninformed.

        We have listened to Obama in debates and decided he has no idea what he’s talking about.

        We are disgusted by Obama’s behavior throughout the Democratic primaries.

        We are angry with the DNC and party leadership for interfering with these elections and even committing voter fraud.

        We are angry with those people for turning a blind eye to sexism, too.

        We are angry with those people for denigrating the Clinton legacy.

        We have decided Obama does not share our values. Combined with his inexperience, that makes him a dangerous choice for America over the next four years.

      • Surelock Homes

        Obama introduced only two bills in congress that got passed — one was to name a post office. He voted ‘present’ 129 times in the Illinois legislature.

        Accomplished record? I think not. Bag of hot air? Definitely!

        • wtf

          like I said, his record matches Hillary’s almost exactly.

  • HillarySupportsObamaNow

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

    Look guys, there’s this great new website now that’s based on truth and honesty and stuff. Have fun!!

    • Pink Panther

      Hey, maybe the Obama campaign will put the truth out regarding the following report:

      Two more prominent Barack Obama supporters, Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) have taken loans from Countrywide Financial, the firm facing questions for its role in the subprime mortgage crisis, notes Moe Lane.

      http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/hey_senator_obama_i_got_a_couple_more_candidates_for_that_party_trick_you_do

      Have fun!!!

      • sumuchtusay

        Thanks for the link, Pink Panther. It’s almost summer but the snowballs have already started rolling…down…down…the hill….

        H is the new W
        just say NO to BHO

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      Yeah we get it, we get it. Quit posting it on every bloody thread.

    • stodghie

      stuff it!

    • Hope Floats

      “Truth and honesty and stuff.”

      Did he break up with Hope or something?

    • Northwest rain

      Idiot —

      More lies — no thank you — now go away.

  • Cindy

    Maybe White Men Can’t Jump, but White WOMEN CAN!!!

    • Nicole

      That’s an appropriate slogan, and should be used liberally.

      White Women Can Jump

      • LBJ’s Love Child

        This white man can jump.

  • danp

    NoBama
    channel your energy
    justsaynodeal.com

  • Pink Panther

    I thought Obama was bringing a new kind of politics to America. What is with his statement on June 14 in Philadelphia?

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/obama-we-bring-a-gun/

    • corage

      seems like he’s also learned to talk gangsta. next he’s going to do the gangsta lean driving his car. what a thug.

      • s. hall

        corage — Everyday Obama has a new personality and when we lash out he becomes a victim. Are his 15 minutes of fame over yet?

      • wtf

        It seems he has taken on Hillary’s bad habit.

        “I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president we will attack Iran,” Clinton said. “In the next ten years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

        • NomNomNom

          You forgot the part where she said she would obliterate them AFTER they launched a nuclear attack on Israel, WTFer.

    • sisterdo

      “I’ve seen Philly fans and you like knives and guns” — what a stereotyping racist. And, I could beat his a$$ in a fight but I wish I could see a Philly fan do it.

      Barky’s a geek and a racist.

  • sumuchtusay

    Obviously, McCain was looking very good to Democrats exactly four years ago when Kerry was seriously pursuing him for the VP slot.

    See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34742-2004Jun11.html

    What has McCain done in these last four years that made Kerry-type Dems change their minds about him so drastically? The highest profile issue to which McCain’s name was attached was his fight against torture at Gitmo. Sounds more like he’s on my side of the fence.

    Before anyone had cast a primary vote I knew that I could not vote for Obama. And it is NOT the color of his skin. It was his response to a question on the Today show, or Good Morning America, or one of those…I can’t remember which one and it doesn’t matter. I did recognize immediately that he was an idiot by the way he stammered and did not answer the question in a direct way that I admire—the way Hillary answers a question (which is why Larry Johnson started this website to begin with—his admiration of Hillary’s masterful answers and knowledge of subjects important to leading this country). So you bet your ass I’m voting for McCain if Hillary is not the Presidential candidate. I will not vote for Obama at the head of any ticket, I don’t care who the DNC or RBC (read Obama) picks for the VP slot.

    H is the new W
    just say NO to BHO

  • hillaryfighter

    Yeeeeh, Coward Dean,

    To channel Michelle Obama, voting for bambi won’t help my kids, so I have to pass.

    Yeaaaaaaah!!!

  • dpvegas

    They’re hoping we won’t go to McCain. Too bad they didn’t care before now.

    Two voters here who will vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee. Otherwise, it’s McCain for us. And it suits my husband just fine, because he’s always liked McCain.

    Keep trying to figure it out and in November, we’ll just tell you our choice.

  • DJ

    GO TO THIS SITE,,,WRITE THEM AND TELL THEM TO CUPPORT MIKE PENCE BILL FOR BROADCAST FREEDOM ACT…THIS IS A BILL THAT WILL PROHIBIT THE PRESIDENT FROM CONTROLLING THE AIRWAVES AND INTERNET.. ALSO TELL THESE CONGRESSMEN WHO DIDN’T SUPPORT HILLARY YOU ARE GOING TO NOT VOTE FOR THEM AND VOTE STRIAGHT REPUBLICAN IF THEY ENDORSE OBAMA…THESE ARE THE SENATORS WHO BACKSTABBED HILLARY. THEY DON’T DESERVE TO BE IN OFFICE WHEN THEY THROW HER ASIDE AND PICK A NOBODY

    http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-supporters-in-senate-up-for-re.html

  • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Medusa

    The issue is bigger than a bogus candidate; the DNC has been taken over and corrupted. BO is the manufactured puppet put into place. He’s laughably incompetent, uncouth and vile.

    Who’s behind the takeover of the DNC? Moving the operation to Chicago is a big deal and would require a lot of planning and coordinated efforts. I suspect it was a long time in the planning by the parties responsible for the product “Obama.”

    Those who think he’s actually a viable candidate for president are so deluded they are beyond redemption. BO was crafted for the purpose of Bolshevikization of the DNC. If he were to become president, the country would be run by the corrupt parties who put him into place.

    There should be lawsuits.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0 Obama Trolls Are Idiots

    Has anyone seen that “blue balled” ad? I saw a clip showing part of it. Is this how the Obama/Marxist campaign is getting his new young voters now?

    If anyone has the entire clip please post. It is totally pathetic.

    JUST SAY NO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

    NO OBAMA/MARXIST
    MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

    • Hope Floats

      OMFG! Did he name an ad to imply that he’s getting no love from white women?!! Now THAT is sexist.

      • Hope Floats

        Oh, wait. I watched the ad on Hot Air, and it seems the Dem came in his pants at 1:05.

  • http://camoderate ca moderate

    This is the DNC’s way of breaking it to “the one’s” supporters lightly that they are in trouble. First the bump that did not happen and now the slide to being tied with McCain. This all in a year when the Dems should be just trouncing the Republicans. Do I smell a revolt emerging within the DNC – hell yes! Now lets all wait to see how long it takes those beacons of truth, the so called forth estate, to catch on.

    • elise

      Ca moderate, you made a good comment. Obama is running against a party whose leader has the lowest rating in history, who started an unpopular war, who put the economy on the verge of bankruptcy whose presumptive nominee is a seventy two year old man with a temper, yet last week when the polls showed Obama ahead by six points the media was ecstatic.

      Now they are statistically even. What is it about this picture the Democratic Party can’t understand? I wonder how millions of Democrats will feel when it becomes common knowledge the DNC is moving to Chicago?

      There was an article yesterday saying Howard Dean was going to investigate sexism in the media during this campaign. Honestly, if I hadn’t been spending part of each day of the last two weeks crying about the destruction of an institution I have believed in and been faithful to for so many years, I would be laughing at the stupidity.

      The DNC doesn’t fall under the Freedom of Information Act so we can’t know for sure, but it’s doubtful Dean would even touch the idea of sexism if there hadn’t been some measurable fallout in donations and membership.

    • s. hall

      ca moderate — I hear rumblings that the Democrats won’t hold their convention this year. They say its because of a lack of funds but I bet its because they know it will be contentious. Nancy Pelosi wanted a coronation but instead of trying to soothe Hillary delegates they papered over the problems — UNITY they all screamed while they forced this nomination process to end before the SD’s were counted. Obama thinks we will come back to him because we have no where else to go. Once again — its another Obama boneheaded miscalculation.

    • Zeke

      The report will be an expose’ on the Vast Centrist Conspiracy
      and how an ill informed, undereducated, Bible hugging, gun reading, bitter, xenophobic, largest collection of voters in American history handed a punk Marxist butt-licker from Southie, the worst defeat ever seen.
      How sad…

  • GoHillary

    I heard just now that Kerry is most likely nobama’s VP.
    Great! we get to trounce him in the senate primary AND in the GE.

    Kerry with the “L” on his forehead!

    • http://camoderate ca moderate

      There is a winning DNC Pair! I guess if first you do not suceed go be a VP to a less experienced candidate. That will make things cheaper for the RNC – they can use reuse the ads from last time.

    • JB

      McCain couldn’t possibly be THAT lucky…could he?

    • corage

      that’s right. support ed o’reilly to beat kerry in mass. election. then bambi/kerry loses g-e.
      if kerry loses twice in one year…well it’ll be, how do you spell loser? k-e-r-r-y

      • Zeke

        Kerry… Married to Heinz… 57 Varieties… 57 Muslim states…
        Coincidence? Hmmm ;)

    • elise

      Insanity is running rampant in the DNC. They should all be put in straight jackets, given some Prozac and locked up.

    • Hope Floats

      Two Zbig proteges with ugly, unlikable wives. Great.

  • Imustprotest

    Howard Dean and his posse really bug me. Howie says he’s so confident that the party will unite but his face and body language say otherwise. He’s not a happy camper.

    • Mary

      The RNC currently has $40 million for the GE.

      The DNC only has $4 million, and can’t pay for the convention without taking bids from corporations (GE/MSNBC is one of the co-sponsors)

      It appears Howard and Donna pissed off a lot more people than they ever dreamed they had with their little escapades at the RBC.

  • athena

    For the first time, in my adult life, I am going to vote Republican.

    McCain ’08

    Hillary ’12

    • Hope Floats

      Ha ha ha ha.

    • so saddened

      lol!

      and ditto.

  • hillaryfighter

    Here’s some fun to Kerry fans here:
    John Kerry keen to be US top diplomat(not a joke)
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/John_Kerry_keen_to_be_US_top_diplomat

    NEW YORK: John Kerry, who suffered defeat at the hands of President George Bush in last US elections, now harbours aspiration to become Secretary of State if presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama wins the race to the White House in November.

    ———————————–

    God help us! Kerry, Dodd, Biden, I have to channel Michelle Obama, all these same old, boring, male whiteys & losers, yeahhh…

    One thing John Kerry can do as Obama’s top diplomat is his ability to bore our enemies to death.

    I think kerry would make a GREAT Ambassador – to Antarctica

    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/keybus_/JohnsKiss.jpg?t=1213587441

    • Kevin

      No windsurfing there in antartica.
      Ed will not state his preference for President, but he’s no a SD. Just the challenge in the MA dem primary is an indication of our opinion of Kerry here in MA. I’ve already informed the good junior senator that he will not get my vote.

      Has anyone else received further solicitations from the DNC? I got the Howie unity chant and the 50 state campaign one, told them both via e-mail that my $, efforts and vote will all be going to McCain, haven’t heard another word. In 2004 it seems like I was getting JK e-mails daily. I think the DNC is culling their e-mail lists.

      • beebop

        You will get one from David Kerfuffle next. They apparently got Hill’s list from the DNC which used it last. That one is the most fun to respond to, trust me.

  • hillaryfighter

    athena,

    For the first time, in my adult life, I am proud to vote bambi off the survival island by voting mccain.
    How’s that, Michelle?

  • MikeB
    • Nobama

      Wow, that is a really good video. Thanks!

    • PhxNickD

      great video, sad thing to say ask is that will we ever know a more intelligent, qualified, compassionate, competent person to be President of this United States?

  • Danny

    Yeah – I’m the “Racist” I’ll never forget that Obama called me that for supporting Hillary.
    He is from the racist church he is 20 years friends with Ayers, Pfleger, Wright and all those people clapping and praising Jesus as they denegrated Hillary.

    I take this personally and I will not ever forget how downright disgracefull as well as decietfull and shamefull it was, the way the DNC and the rules and bylaws committee CHEATED and STOLE the nomination for OBAMA. I’LL NEVER REWARD THAT BEHAVIOR FOR THE DEMOCRATS – I won’t condone it. Call me what you will. I supported Howar Dean I supported Al Gore and I supported Hillary Clinton and before that Bill Clinton and before that Jimmy Carter (when Kennedy didn’t). Do the Democrats really think I will support Obama – Not a chance, not one. Fool yourselves guys – BUT MY MEMOERY IS LONG and I saw everything Obama did to Hillary from his campaign and it discusted me. Shame on Obama I can’t even listen to his boring chalkboard voice – it sends shivers through my spine as decietful as he is.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Danny, I agree. His campaign offended me. I still find it appalling to think about how they spoke about people in Ohio, PA, WVA as uneducated racists.

      If the good people of Virginia aren’t offended, too, I’ll be very surprised.

  • Nobama

    I went to Sen. McCain’s town hall meeting for Hillary supporters on Saturday afternoon. Lots of Hillary fans in Hillary gear from NYC. We enjoyed the meeting with the Senator and he came across as very nice, personable, approachable, and we enjoyed talking with him. He’s a very good man who doesn’t pander. You may not like all of his views but at least he listens but doesn’t equivocate. He’s strong, solid and steadfast. He’s very likable and many of Hillary’s supporters will have no trouble supporting him should it come down to a choice of Obama or McCain on Nov. 4.

    Here’s a group photo of the gathering of Hillary supporters with John McCain.

    http://gallery.mac.com/macmaven/100031/IMG_0180/web.jpg

    Carly Fiorina is in the foreground on the left.

    We all had a very good time and we felt very welcome at McCain HQ. Obama’s people have completely alienated us so if he loses, it’s their own damn fault. Every single negative comment towards Hillary or her supporters ever made will be that many votes times 1000 lost to Obama.

    NObama!

    PUMA!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      You mean he’s not a duplicitous panderer? And nobody there called you a “dead ender”?

    • athena

      It appears to be an excellent opportunity for Hillary supporters to collaborate with the McCain campaign on issues such as selection of judges, environmental issues, etc. McCain knows that he needs our support in November to win.

  • SunnyD

    “Will Clinton’s Base Jump to McCain?”

    YES

  • hillaryfighter

    nobama,

    very nice picture. I don’t particuarly care about McCain, but it really doesn’t matter. If the race comes down to a Pig vs. Obama, I’ll pull the lever for Pig in a heartbeat.

    A Pig will do less damage than an Obama presidency.

    • http://camoderate ca moderate

      Soowee!

  • http://dianej.wordpress.com DianeJ

    I start to volunteer tomorrow for McCain. I was pro-Hillary but what is …….is.

    • BJinChicago

      I already contributed to McCain’s campaign. I have learned during this primary that the DNC only listens when money talks.

  • Mary

    Will they jump?

    YES. And never regret it.

  • hillaryfighter

    believe me, if hillary democrats deliver a victory to mccain, I can assure you he will throw all those wingnuts under the bus in a heartbeat.

    mccain hates those wingnuts, but he had no choice in the past to accomodate them since they were holding the key in republican party.

    if mccain wins, the GOP is going to rejuvenate as a moderate party, which will only be good for the country.

    if bambi squeezes out a win, i can assure you the wingnuts will roll out another conservative to destroy bambi in 2 and 4 years with revenge since bambi is sure to lead the country from bush’s disaster to another disaster.

    We need both parties who are dominated by moderates, otherwise it’s going to roll from the right wing extreme faction to hard left extreme faction every four years.

    Hillarydems can hold the key to a healthy two-party system.

    • http://pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/ turndownobama-com

      Right right right!

      It’s like the joke about the moron who moved from Texas to Oklahoma, raising the average IQ of both states.

      With one vote, we can move the Dems back from the Brazile/Pelosi abyss, move the GOP closer to a sane center. Eisenhower and Goldwater Republicans were great compared to all the GOP since.

      And with a big enough margin, Obama becomes the McGovern of 2008 and hopefully we never see him again.

      For four years of McCain, cheap at the price.

    • McBush

      if mccain wins, the GOP is going to rejuvenate as a moderate party, which will only be good for the country.

      Drunken stupidity at it’s best. Some people can convince themselves of anything!! lol

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

        Camp Koolaid —-> that way.

        Get lost asswhipe. Your kind is not wanted here.

        • McBush

          NO… I’m pretty sure I’m at Camp Koolaid, all the signs point directly here. lol

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

            Time to ban this troll.

            Susan he isnt here to discuss just to rile up and antagonize.

            • McBush

              You can dish it out but ya just can’t take it. All the rhetoric and name calling prevalent throughout this site and that you’ve handed out.. and the minute it gets rough for YOU, you squeal like a stuck pig. BAN PLEASE BAN PLEASE. Alright enough begging and whining. I acquiesce. YOU
              “Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright” are the prime example of the weak element here at NQ. No wonder your candidate lost. I go in peace. I’ll bet $1 million dollars I’ll read one of your post tomorrow of you “antagonizing” someone that you think you can get away with. You do it
              ALL the time. You’re just a bully that can’t take it when someone punches back. Typical.

              • McBush

                Wait.. I’ll do it for you.. Ban please Ban Please Ban please. lol.

              • Hope Floats

                Bye bye. “Go in peace” and don’t come back!

      • beebop

        Is this an example of elevating the dialogue that you lament is not possible here at NQ? You might want to rethink your opening line. Don’t spend too much time wondering why we call you troll.

  • ken

    Intesting that they put in that next to last woman, a “former Clinton supporter”, who made a blanket statement that people who won’t vote for BO are racists. An Obamabot talking point featured in an AP report… I’m not suprised.

  • Babs

    Such an amazing year! Democrats will elect a Republican President because it’s the only way to bring back democracy to the “Democratic” party.

    There’s a revolution going on in America, and it’s a beautiful thing to behold.

    PUMA!

  • hillaryfighter

    The internals of the latest N.V. poll spell real trouble for Obama at least on three fronts: Hispanics aren’t warming up to him yet, he’s losing among indys, a sizeable defection of Hillary democrats. We are defeinitely holding the power!!! Yeeeeh

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/19954494.html

    The candidates’ appeal to different age groups is especially striking. Obama did better with young voters, while McCain prevailed among older voters.

    Voters age 18 to 34 preferred Obama by a wide margin, 55 percent to 31 percent. Among voters age 35 to 49, the two candidates were tied at 43 percent each. But McCain was preferred by voters 50 to 64, 48 percent to 39 percent, and by voters 65 and older, 50 percent to 34 percent.

    “Obama winning the youth vote is not surprising, but he’s got to keep them motivated, because they tend to turn out in lower numbers,” said Jennifer Duffy, an analyst for the Cook Political Report, a nonpartisan newsletter in Washington, D.C.

    “They’re tied in that middle tier, and that could be where it’s decided.”

    Duffy said it was somewhat surprising to see McCain winning older voters by such a healthy margin. In national surveys, she said, the 71-year-old McCain has sometimes faced an age issue with “those older voters who don’t think they could do it.”

    In another crucial demographic, Obama, 46, prevails among Hispanic voters, with 53 percent, but nearly one-fifth are undecided and McCain still draws 28 percent.

    Obama runs away with the black vote, 87 percent to 7 percent, while McCain gets a majority of white voters, 51 percent to Obama’s 35 percent.

    McCain was stronger among men, 49 percent to 37 percent, while Obama was stronger with women, 47 percent to 39 percent.

    McCain, who has been able to lay claim to his party’s nomination longer than Obama, sewed up 78 percent of the Republican vote, while Obama had 71 percent of Democrats.

    With 15 percent of Democrats saying they’ll vote for McCain and another 14 percent undecided, that’s 29 percent of his own party not currently supporting Obama, a high number that Duffy said might be the residual effect of Clinton’s candidacy.

    Both candidates have staked their campaigns on their appeal to voters who aren’t registered with a political party. In that group, McCain polled markedly better than Obama, 43 percent to 32 percent.

    A larger proportion of independents, 25 percent, were undecided than any other demographic group in the poll.

    Pollster Coker said that with Democrats ahead in voter registration in Nevada and the national mood hostile to Republicans, McCain will have to hold on to his lead among independents in order to have a chance in the state.

    “This race is going to be a battle for independents, and right now, in the battle for independents, McCain is ahead,” he said.

    • Democrat

      Obama is doing very well with Hispanics actually.

      A new Gallup Poll summary of surveys taken in May shows Obama winning 62% of Latino registered voters nationwide, compared with just 29% for McCain. Others have found a wide gap as well. The pro-Democratic group Democracy Corps compiled surveys from March through May that showed Obama with a 19-point lead among Latinos. And a Times poll published last month showed Obama leading McCain among California Latinos by 14 points.

      It’s McCain who is having problems with this bloc of voters.

      Republicans say McCain’s numbers among Latinos at the moment are disappointing — far below the goals set by a campaign that has long believed McCain could challenge the traditional Democratic dominance of the Latino electorate.

      http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-latinos6-2008jun06,0,5809969.story

  • hillaryfighter

    another funny anti-Obama site:

    http://jimmycarter08.com/

  • Annagain

    I agree with MLK — “Judge a man by the content of his charcter, not by the color of his skin.”

    Since Senator Obama’s character has been found wanting, as exhibited many times by his divisive campaign tactics and his incredible arrogance, there is no way I can ever vote for him.

    Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and Reid really blew it. Do you think they will come to thehr senses and swallow their foolish pride in time to admit their mistake and do the right thing and nominate Hillary.

    Or will they follow their unqualified candidate off a cliff.

    • beebop

      I pick this …

      Or will they follow their unqualified candidate off a cliff.

      Sadly. Dems have done it before ….

  • ken

    Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and Reid really blew it. Do you think they will come to thehr senses and swallow their foolish pride in time to admit their mistake and do the right thing and nominate Hillary.

    They don’t get it and never will. If Hillary comes to power, they are toast. There’s no turning back for them. The Gang of Four should be removed from power by the people whom they betrayed.

    • McBush

      LOL Do you read the shit you write. “If Hillary comes to power…” What.. is she gonna overthrow the government and hang all the dissenters?? LOL Man you are scary stupid. Stick to the we’re gonna vote for McCain montra, makes you sound ALOT less ignorant.

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        McBush, you really need to leave, you’re not helping Barky one bit, unless you are a closet republican trying to get us to vote for Mccain. You’re rude and cruel. You have no manners and I’m sure your mother would be ashamed.

        • McBush

          There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING anyone could say here that would help O. This is a breeding ground for BITTER people CLINGING to Hill. In the absence of a Hill “coming to power” destruction of any other candidate in her way is the goal. In this case it’s O. I’m not trying to win friends and influence people. Just calling it like I see it.

          • StrawberrybitesBarky

            You are rude and you have no manners. You are a guest here and you are being asked to leave. So please do so.

            • McBush

              Manners go both ways. Rudeness is what is directed towards me every time I post anti-Hill. I THOUGHT dissent was welcome.

              • StrawberrybitesBarky

                Dissent is welcome, being rude is not. Just read over the past few comments you made and tell me your mother wouldn’t be ashamed.

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

                dissent is welcome assholes are not.

                Now take your shit and go peddle your mysogony and hate somewhere else.

                Ban this troll please susan.

                • McBush

                  lol weak mind ban please ban please. What hypochrites you are. I’ll probably be banned, but keep this in mind for every perceived rudeness that you think I’ve doled out, I’ve gotten it back 10 times. You can’t try and take the high road when it suits you… oh yeah I forgot you do support Hill.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

                    ban the troll.

                    until then ignore the troll.

                    • McBush

                      You’re the only one tossing insults around.. let’s see in the last 4 or 5 of your post I’ve been a turd, a twit, and shitforbrains. By your own words you shall be condemned. lol

      • ken

        LOL the first one to the guillotine will be you, my dear mcbushy.

        • McBush

          If you all are in charge, I’ll go gladly. lol

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

            ban this troll.

            • McBush

              Problem is, if they banned everyone that YOU couldn’t handle intellectually (and it’s obvious you have no business responding to my post), this would be site filled with people that agree only with you. lol

      • beebop

        Again, is this a shining example of the “elevated” dialogue you cry out for?

      • Clinton Fan

        You’re a bit funny. You call people ignorant, yet you don’t know how to spell the word “mantra.”

        Your sentence construction and grammar suck, too. In fact, your commentary comes off as rather, well, stupid–like the pecking and scratching of a junior high school student with intellectual deficits.

        Why don’t you run along and clean your room like your mommy has asked you to do? The adults don’t think you’re terribly precocious, and are finding you tiresome.

      • Hope Floats

        No, you dumbass. Hillary still has all her delegates and a floor fight at the convention is a possibility at this stage. Most Democrats recognize the Obama run as what it is: an intra-party ousting carried out by losers, has-beens and unprincipled nobodies.

  • typical.white.person

    Don’t. Laugh. Too. Hard.

    Asked if he planned to pen his own book after leaving office in January, Bush said it was a possibility.

    “I’m going to think about that, yes — writing a book,” Bush said in an interview with Britain’s Observer newspaper published on Sunday.

    • McBush

      Yeah.. I’m not laughing. The sad fact is if Bush were running against O, most of you would put Bush back in office again. Hell, you pratically PROMISE to do it on a daily, minute by minute basis. McCain = 4 more years of the same.

      • ken

        The sad truth is Obama is closer to Bush in his character than McCain. It’s more than just Dem vs. Repub in most people mind.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

        George Bush was an unqualified politician promising hope and change and a return of honor to washington to get elected.

        Barack Obama is an unqualified politician promising hope and change and a return of honor to washington to get elected.

        George bush has an organization run by fanatics who try to steamroll and manipulate everyone and everything.

        Barack Obama has an organization run by fanatics who try to steamroll and manipulate everyone and everything.

        George bush was an idiot

        Barack Obama is an idiot

        Not sure where you get your information shitforbrains but just from a quick comparison, it appears that

        Electing OBAMA = 4 more years of a George Bush style presidency.

        • McBush

          “shitforbrains”… ban please ban please lol

          I disagree with your assessment of O. Hill, your beloved endorsed him in favor of Mc. If your reasoning is that she was somehow forced to do that for her own benefit, that speaks to her character. Look, Hill and O’s policies are pretty much the same everyone knows this. To deny this is to be disingenuos.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

            you are a troll every one knows this too. to deny this is to call a turd a donut.

            ban this troll.

            • McBush

              So what! I’m a troll, obamabot, obamatron, and whatever derogatory term you can muster. Your insults mean dick to me. You’re too stupid to take serioulsy. After all insults are all you can come up with…besides ban please ban please.

        • http://deleted TheViking

          Give this man a cigar. 5 star post. Thank you.

          • McBush

            And I thank you for the support!!!

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

              he was refering to my post hot yours you twit.

              Time to ban this troll.

              • McBush

                Liar..he was referring to mine. lol

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

                  Ban incoming for McBush…i feel it in the air.

                  Soon the smell of this turd will be history.

            • John House

              You’re a dumbass.

      • Hope Floats

        That’s where you’re wrong. McCain NO = Bush. Obama is Bush with a tan.

  • priscilla

    Nobama!

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    I wonder how many of these “Obama” trolls are actually Republican operatives, sent to make us so angry we’ll never consider forgiving Obama enough to vote for him? [Not that I have any intention of doing that.]

    • McBush

      Hill paranoia woodpecker! I’m an O supporter through and through. You all act like this is some sort of dark espionage. Probably inherent from your fearless leader.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

        Ban this troll. He brings nothing but the stink of his ignorance and hostility to the table.

      • PragmatismRules

        better than a fearful lying unqualified incompetent non-leader

    • Hope Floats

      There are simply not enough Republicans to have kept that charade up for six months straight. I will take “McBush” at his word and assume he is a Bolshevik.

  • Al from NJ

    I would vote for McCain any day before I would for the lying racist radical Obama.

  • Queen81

    I love how the piece referred to those of us Democrats voting for McCain as “defectors”. Funny, I always thought we were just patriots with the free will to vote for the candidate most qualified to lead this country!

    P.U.M.A!!

    • http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

      THEY DESERTED THEIR OWN BY FIXING THE OUTCOME OF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT REWARD ORGANIZATIONS WITH LOYALTY! WHEN THEY STOPPED HEARING THE PEOPLES VOICES WE STOPPED BEING FAITHFUL SERVANTS!!!!!

      18 MILLION IS MORE THAN WHAT OBAMA GOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com

  • Kevin

    The interesting thing about trolls is while some of us slept, they remained behind to insult through the night. What is it that makes NQ so interesting to them? Another long night of red bull in mommy’s basement.
    The reasons that a good portion Clinton’s base will vote across party lines are little things like. Who would you believe when they say “Preserve, Protec te and Defend the Constitution of the United States.”?

  • Ethan

    I’ve never considered myself part of Clinton’s “base.” She just happened to be the only acceptable candidate of the two left by the time of our primary. Of course, now I’ve been cast out of the Obama-Brazile “New Democratic Coalition” (too old, it seems.) If my state is purple and “in play” as the Obama people think, I’ll have to vote McCain. Otherwise, I’ll be pleased to vote third party.

  • http://mmb silverfox

    i’ve been noticing that most all of the msm coverage of the clinton dems leaving the dem party are interviewing subjects that only mention it was the sexism against clinton that is driving them from obama. or that, if not for obama against mccain, you are a racist.

    no one is saying, or it is being edited out, the multitudes of other reasons to not be supporting obama. again, the msm is spinning it to make all who will not support obama are depicted as being racist, or just bitter women that Sen Clinton didn’t get the nom.

    yesterday my father in law practically accused me of being racist for not wanting to vote as a dem for obama. he only watches the msm networks. he’s a wwII vet and just wants the us to not be in iraq. i told him he was dreaming if he thinks obama will take the us out of iraq. i explained that, yes, some troops may come home, but mr obama has stated very clearly the the paid contractors such as Blackwater, will remain in iraq til ????. his jaw dropped. yet, he can’t abide a republican and is pissed at the dem party for blowing it. yet, he insists that i vote dem no matter what.

    in the msm, the bullshit reigns supreme even now.t

    the propaganda machine continues to create “public opinion”, and innocents continue to be duped.

    • Democrat

      Obama didn’t say that he was going to leave Blackwell folks there. That’s a myth that goes around these websites, but no one ever posts a quote from a news story.

      • Hope Floats

        Blackwell covers the red carpets at the Oscars. You mean Blackwater, and he did. Obama is also in favor of expanding the Dept. of Homeland Security in nazi fashion. He said he would scale down our military and privatize – just what Carter did.

        • beebop

          Have you ever seen such low information people in your entire life? No substance, just folly.

          Jeremy Scahill reports Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will not “rule out” using private military companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. Obama also has no plans to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009. Despite their antiwar rhetoric, both Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton have adopted the congressional Democratic position that would leave open the option of keeping tens of thousands of US troops in Iraq for many years. [includes rush transcript]

          http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/28/jeremy_scahill_despite_anti_war_rhetoric

      • Hope Floats

        Jeremy Scahill for The Huffington Post
        Obama’s Blackwater Problem–Updated

        Posted February 28, 2008 | 05:04 PM (EST)

        A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told me that if elected Obama will not “rule out” using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in. Obama’s campaign says that instead he will focus on bringing accountability to these forces while increasing funding for the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the agency that employs Blackwater and other private security contractors.

        Obama’s broader Iraq withdrawal plan provides for some US troops to remain in Iraq–how many his advisers won’t say. But it’s clear that Obama’s “follow-on force” will include a robust security force to protect US personnel in Iraq, US trainers (who would also require security) for Iraqi forces and military units to “strike at Al Qaeda”–all very broad swaths of the occupation.

        “If Barack Obama comes into office next January and our diplomatic security service is in the state it’s in and the situation on the ground in Iraq is in the state it’s in, I think we will be forced to rely on a host of security measures,” said the senior adviser. “I can’t rule out, I won’t rule out, private security contractors.” He added, “I will rule out private security contractors that are not accountable to US law.”

        But therein lies a problem. The US Embassy in Iraq is slated to become the largest embassy in world history. If Obama maintains that embassy and its army of diplomats and US personnel going in and out of the Green Zone, which his advisers say he will, a significant armed force will be required for protection. The force that now plays that role is composed almost exclusively of contractors from Blackwater, DynCorp and Triple Canopy. And at present, these contractors are not held accountable under US law. Obama and a host of legal experts, including in the Justice Department, acknowledge that there may be no current US law that could be used to prosecute security contractors for crimes committed in Iraq, such as the killing of seventeen Iraqi civilians last September in Baghdad’s Nisour Square.

    • mimi

      silverfox,

      You can’t change your father-in-law’s mind, so stop arguing with him. I won’t even discuss the election with my pro-Obama FIL.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I agree, silver. What’s not being said is that group is actually a small portion of his “problem.” He failed to appeal to the moderates. They will hold their nose and vote for McCain and probably vote downticket Dems in, thus balancing the congress and presidency.

      I believe he’ll lose the men he got in the primary, too. They won’t trust him to be commander in chief.

      I believe he’ll get lip-service support from Latino politicians, who have him figured out. And in my state, they are the key to turn-out. Latinos will likely stay home in droves.

      I believe he’s already lost even the moderate Jewish Dems. That flip-flopping doesn’t wash with them. They don’t mind a nod to the Palestinians. Moderates are moderates. But the flip-flop he just pulled? That’s weak. Israel can’t afford weak.

      He’ll never get the older Dem voter. They are the most reliable voters. They will vote Republican.

      The mad women who were super-active makes for good copy, but we’re a small part of his sad story about to unfold.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

    It just dawned me on .. the Obama Clones are the Democratic version of the RonPaulians.

    • Hope Floats

      You just figured that out? :P

  • Democrat

    I know you folks are mad at Obama. But polls show that most Clinton supporters are planning on voting for Obama.

    An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found a wide gap last week: Women favored Obama over McCain, 52% to 33%. The survey also found that voters who cast ballots for Clinton in the Democratic primaries preferred Obama over McCain, 61% to 19%.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-women16-2008jun16,0,5593581.story

    • http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

      ASK ME HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO MY WEBSITE!!!
      http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com

      I am not a Party Voter I am a CHARACTER VOTER!!
      MCCAIN MCCAIN MCCAIN MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • RJ

      Things are starting to unravel and someday the WHOLE truth will be revealed about this farce of a democratic / national socialist primary. WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER.

      McCain ’08 (no matter who the dem vp is)

    • beebop

      There won’t be enough to make him the winner. Already they are saying they can do it without Ohio and Florida … Last time I checked, that’s making up 47 Electoral college votes. Where are they going to come from do you imagine?

    • Hope Floats

      We’re not Lemmingcrats.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      61%……which means that he lost 39%. That figure is still holding. Yikes!

    • Ethan

      Note that 19% of 18 million is over 3.4 million. Kerry lost by 3.5 million. Let’s add a percentage of those Democrats who did not vote, and the independents who couldn’t vote but preferred Hillary and Obama is in trouble. Obama has a lot of work to do, and sending his trolls and bullies out to sites like this just won’t work for him like it did in the caucuses.

  • http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

    I AM PROUD TO SAY I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT!!!!!!!!!! I AM BACKING JOHN MCCAIN 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANNOT IN NO WAY BACK A PARTY THAT CHEATED THE DELEGATE SELECTION IN 2 STATES AND HIS BEEN STRONG ARMING SUPER DELEGATES AND DELEGATES THAT BACK HILLARY WHO WILL PUBLICLY BACK MCCAIN. WHY SHOULD WE REWARD A PARTY THAT WANTS A NOMINEE THAT IS DISHONEST, THINKS WE HAVE 57 STATES, WANTS TO MEET WITH OUR ENEMIES AND PUBLICLY SAID NAFTA WAS BAD BUT PRIVATELY SENT AN AIDE TO CANADA. NO WAY!!
    HILLARY OR MCCAIN ONLY!!!
    http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com

  • msindy

    So the Obama (and now the DNC, since he owns that) strategy appears to be telling us: If we vote for Hillary we are racist. If we vote for McCain, we are racist. If we vote for Obama, we are not racist.

    This is entirely illogical. If they think we would give the time of day to illogic, they must think we are really stupid.

    So they are calling us stuipd and racist, (the good old “you suck, vote for me” strategy).

    They appear to think this will make us vote for him, to prove they are wrong. “Hmmm, they think I’m not voting for him because I’m racist, therefore, to prove to them I’m not racist, I’ll vote for him.”

    What kind of a idiot would vote based on a lie? To prove the lie was not true? To the liar?

    Nobody, that’s who. What a dumb strategy.

  • stop Hussein

    Legendary Chicago Internet columnist and Obama author Andy Martin will hold a New York news conference Monday, June 16th to charge that Barack Obama is “smearing the truth” about Obama’s childhood religion. Martin will challenge Obama to sue Martin for defamation.

    NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:

    WHO:

    Internet Columnist-Author/Editor/Andy Martin

    WHAT:

    Andy Martin says Barack Obama is lying about his Muslim childhood religion

    WHERE:

    909 Third Avenue, public sidewalk in front of FDR Station, New York

    WHEN:

    Monday, June 16, 6:00 P. M.

  • mystic4hillpuma

    I just sent the following email to Senator Stabenow:

    Senator Stabenow,

    Your comment that there is no doubt in your mind that people (i.e. Hillary Clinton supporters) are going to rally around Senator Obama is absolutely wrong. There are millions of us who will not; you can visit the Just Say No Deal website (http://www.justsaynodeal.com/) to view the growing list of coalition members who will not support Senator Obama.

    There are a multitude of reasons why we won’t. Visit the coalition sites, read the comments, and believe what we are saying.

    None of us will vote for Senator Obama in November. Some of us will simply not vote for President. Some will vote for a third-party candidate. Some will write in Senator Clinton’s name. And some, like me, will do what we once thought impossible, and will vote for John McCain.

    The Democratic Party has destroyed itself. It has become all that is wrong about politics. You have given us a candidate who is so unqualified to be President as to be laughable, if it weren’t so frightening. The take-over of the party by Senator Obama, with apparently the tacit approval of you and your colleagues, is almost complete. The disenfranchisement of millions of voters, the removal of delegates who may not want to vote for YOUR candidate, the relocation of the DNC to allow for greater control by Obama, the manipulation of all funds to go directly to Obama so he may dole money out to who he chooses (perhaps I should say to whomever obeys him unquestioningly), the silence of the DNC at the sexism and misogyny perpetrated against Senator Clinton and her supporters by the media and the Obama campaign, the vote stealing by the RBC – I simply do not comprehend why all of you are so willing to destroy the party in this way. I don’t know what you all have been promised, but I hope it was worth selling your soul for.

    I have changed my affiliation to Independent. As despicable as the thought, I will also vote for John McCain in November. Since you are so intent on destroying the Democratic Party, I hope that my vote for McCain in November can help you finish your work. Then, perhaps, we can rebuild the party – without you and your colleagues as part of it – and make it great again.

    Sincerely,

    xxxxxxxxxx
    San Francisco, CA
    A PROUD PUMA DEMOCRAT
    Just Say NO DEAL

    • Kevin

      With your permission I would appreciate it if we could copy some part of your letter to send en masse to our own stupor delegates.

    • JP49

      Great letter. You might want to add a P.S. Howard Dean refuses to allow Hillary’s name on the convention roll call so no superdelegates can vote for her. This has never been done in our history. Another way to undercut real democracy.

  • mimi

    Get it through your THICK SKULL, DemocRAT:

    Obama ain’t gonna take troops out of Iraq either!

    Plus:

    No Universal Health Coverage and tax increases on the ‘wealthy’ which he considers $250,000+

    His exposure on the International Stage:

    ZILCH!

    No our choices are far from wonderful this year.

    It’s between a shit sandwich or 4 years of bread and water.

    I’ll take the latter.

    But I understand if you don’t get it. Rats think shit is caviar.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Interesting how a lot of the SDs aren’t jumping to Obama and plan to stay home from Denver.

    Wow!

  • UKforDems

    Hill supporters demanded Florida counted. As the Republicans did – Florida got half votes for breaking the rules. Not good enough for the Clinton Republicans. “The Dems disenfranchised us” so suppport the Republicans ???

    Clinton Republicans claim to be moderates defending their Democratic credentials then support a Republican candidate who says this at a meeting to encourage the Clinton Repubs:-

    “Roe v. Wade, we obviously will have a disagreement. I think it was a bad decision.”

    Womns Rights secured ! (not)

    Mcsame on abortion

    We “have to change the culture of America. We have to convince people of our view that the rights of the unborn are as important as the rights of the born.”

    McDeath on the Supreme Court

    ” “I would find people along the lines of Justice Roberts.”

    “I wouldn’t have selected Justice Ginsberg or Justice Breyer.”

    “I believe that interpretation of the Constitution, and only that, should be the criteria for Supreme Court justices.”

    McDivorce on Gay Rights

    McCain on gay rights and “don’t ask, don’t tell”:

    “Don’t ask, don’t tell: I want to rely on the advice and counsel of our military leaders. As president … I will ask the Joint Chiefs of Staff to go back and review that and other policies to see whether those policies are appropriate, and I do rely on them to a large degree because they’re the ones we entrust the leadership of the lives of our young men and women in our military. And I’m sure you may have a disagreement with that policy.”

    Those encouraging Hillary supporters to back McBush are Republicans. Do not believe the divisive hate.

    • Hope Floats

      Why do these rabid Obama supporters claim to be from exotic Commonwealth countries? It’s too bad you can’t type with a fake British accent.

      “Sholleh you compy sirius. Shears a fess lecker bet lex, end four thombs. Ay fender paw stiffleh noss yetting.”

      “Ferreh nigrah he’s fraffly well-spoken, enhees quite clefferetter renching flozz.”

      • Kevin

        rotflmao!!

        Funny how many kanadianz and limez come here to troll. must be part of the global kampaign for hopeychangey

    • rjj

      Don’t be silly, UK. And for Christ sake stop with the histrionics. We need an opposition party in this country. The dems have failed. This was a critical fuckup. They must be reformed or replaced. The state’s authorization of unlimited buggery and abortion may have to be temporarily postoponed.

  • Kevin

    DO NOT PLAY WITH THE TROLLS!!!
    Ignore them, they want your attention.
    Ignore them, they only want you to reply.

    Stay on target.

  • UKforDems

    This is not a history lesson these are quotes from McCains “online Town Hall”. Kevin you are exactly right – do not play with Trolls; they want to encourage anger amongs Democrats for votes.

  • Diane

    By constantly asserting that “they’ll come around after they take a deep breath” Dems and the MSM are only fanning the flames of fury and discontent. It is just insulting for them not to take our concerns seriously. Obama indicated that he would not spend any time wooing Clinton supporters because “they have nowhere else to go.” Strangely the MSNBC boss in the New Yorker article also used that very same phrase about Clinton supporters and his station.

    I can only wonder what exactly are these people drinking? For an interesting take on how a Dem can justify voting for McCain, Google “Why a McCain Win May be Bad for GOP, Good for Democrats” by Stuart Rothenberg

  • ummm

    “Way to get votes, even your loving news told you that you can’t win without Clinton voters. Neither side can.”

    Al Gore won with women by 11% and Obama’s lead is already 19%. I think Obama’s doing just fine with women except white Republican suburban Soccer/Security moms who weren’t voting for Obama anyway. So don’t think you deadenders are holding him hostage. He’ll do just fine without having to waste his energies on you.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-women16-2008jun16,0,6187010.story

    “Women favored Obama over McCain, 52% to 33%. The survey also found that voters who cast ballots for Clinton in the Democratic primaries preferred Obama over McCain, 61% to 19%.”

  • ummm

    “By constantly asserting that “they’ll come around after they take a deep breath” Dems and the MSM are only fanning the flames of fury and discontent.”

    God forbid some in the media think that Democratic women are rational and will eventually vote based on their interests and on the issues they care about.

  • Schiete Zick

    Yes. I will vote McCain. I’ll even move from California to another state where my vote would count.

    I am not voting for crooks and for a person who received money from the former Iraqi Minister of Electricity who says that he hopes the insurgency against our troops continues.

    I am not arguing whether or not we should have gone to war. But our troops are there. They are parents, husbands, wives, daughters and sons just like you and I are. I wish them the best not the worst.

    What kind of a man are we even considering? Is somebody investigating the background of this man?

  • atartuffe

    that nails it, rather starkly. a qualified woman who nearly overcame the deep sexism in this country to become the first female nominee of her party. verses an unqualified african american who sailed past much more qualified candidates, largely because of his race.

  • JP49

    First, don’t feed the trolls. They get paid for every word in you reply;
    Second; don’t believe the polls. They are manufactured just like the rest of the news;
    Third; Al Gore has said he will endorse Obama. Ratbastard.

    • NomNomNom

      LOL, It’s Barky who’s paying.

  • DAB

    At this point, Gore’s endorsement is a meaningless one-day story. Not determinative as it would have been during the Primary.

    Polls are weird right now with a large number of undecideds (Gallup BO 44 / JM 42). They are really meaningless this early on because only McCain had ads run against him so far — anti-Obama ones yet to come.
    BO isn’t really doing very well since he just captured the nomination which usually gives the winner a healthy margin.

    I think it will end up being close since it has been that way much of the time so every vote will be important.

  • Catharine

    The Democrats are pathetic! Their Congressional approval ratings are LOWER than George Bush’s approval ratings! They need to wake up as their party has massive problems! Obama will take them even lower. They need to oust Dean, Peloski and Reid for starters. PUMA – you know what that stands for :-)

  • Catharine

    Oh and speaking of Gallop, I am starting to wonder about them. I am a panelist. I used to get lots of calls and email surveys. I always chose Hillary and No Obama. I have not been surveyed recently about anything! (All surveys start with political questions) – So, what is up with that???? Has Obama and the dirty Democrats infiltrated Gallop????? I have to wonder!

  • http://www.rense.com/general81/sincc.htm GOP hasn’t even started yet

    the hero vs the zero

  • http://www.rense.com/general81/sincc.htm GOP hasn’t even started yet

    I’m not going from a Corrupt Inexperienced Texas Punk

    to a Corrupt Inexperienced Chicago Punk.