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Post-Run Interview with Hillary

John Heilemann interviews Hillary Clinton for an article in the NY Magazine. It is quite interesting, offering some new perspective and some post mortem thoughts not found elsewhere (yet). I think what Heilemann says here will gradually appear elsewhere. He says that by losing, Hillary has at least gained something: stature and respect. I think he’s absolutely right and all the PUMA activity is evidence of exactly that.

Here is what Hillary said about herself and one of the reasons we still want HER.

Clinton, in fact, makes no bones about the matter when we speak. “I’m not a very comfortable public figure,” she explains. “I don’t particularly like the attention. I like the work. I like the sense of forward movement and progress. At the end of the day, what I’m interested in is what we’ve done that actually moves the agenda forward.”

Heilemann also says the democrats may have a new group to worry about, a la the Reagan democrats – the Hillary democrats. And, as to whether or not Hillary would be Obama’s VP – as many of us hope she does NOT do, Heilemann offers this:

If the call doesn’t come from Obama, Clinton will return to the Senate—where, in many ways, she will instantly become the first among equals. “She’ll be greatly, greatly enhanced,” says former senator Bob Kerrey. “She’ll have the most valuable e-mail list in the Senate. She’ll be the most heavily sought out person in the Congress as an endorser, a fund-raiser. Everybody is gonna want to have her come and campaign for them. She’s gonna be at the very top of everybody’s list.”

In this sense, if Obama wishes to marginalize her, he may offer the VP.

Also quite interesting is the fact that Hillary allowed herself to go on record as pessimistic about Obama’s chances in the fall. This is backed up by a discussion of the relative coalitions both candidates forged and should serve as a warning to the DNC, but is not likely to. Given Gov. Strickland’s unwillingness to endorse Obama and Gov. Rendell’s recent experiences with the Obama campaign (and the fact it was reported), it seems something is going on.

It’s worth your time to read this; even the accompanying pictures are good.

  • http://www.mytowntalks.com MyTownTalks

    I just got throgh skimming this article and I think its dead on. Hillary is a lot stronger now than she was before. I pray she does not accept as a position on the ticket with Obama, she is better than him.

  • http://elect2009.wordpress.com/ Cindie

    IF Hillary accepts the VP slot, I still won’t vote for this elitist. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGxzqwRJUzM

    • typical.white.person

      Obama can speak in Urban lingo to talk to African Americans, but when Typical White People say similar things they are labeled as racist.

      Dubya dumbed-down society. In general, people do not expect to look up to a president. Instead, they want someone who can speak street language to them. Welcome, Dumb Fuck Obama, the democrats version of Dubya.

      • http://elect2009.wordpress.com/ Cindie

        This just is NOT the way a person running for POTUS should talk. PERIOD.

    • obamaphobe

      Oh My God. How presidential-like is that? And how does Barry spell that.. “d-o-l-l-u-h-s”?

      • yttik

        What drives me nuts is the way he says “divisive”. He doesn’t prounounce the “I’s”.

        Is he trying to say dismissive or divisive? I don’t know why, but it’s worse then fingernails on a chalkboard, LOL.

    • Percy11

      Ditto… I will not vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket either.

      I know that they will blame it on her either way, yet worse if she was on the ticket. yet at some time Obama has to become responsible for his actions… and then again maybe not. He hasn’t had to so far and he is the presumptive nominee…..

      go figure.

      Hillary or McCain ’08 (or both)

      • http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/MediaPushbackCampaign.html Factcheck2

        This article contains the same patronizing “It’s all Hillary’s fault” psychobabble that’s become standard for her (and only her) in this election. The writer naturally forgets to mention the criminal conspiracy of media corporations as they continue to suppress Obama’s shadowy connections with Iraqi agents and organized crime, while creating firestorms of controversy over innocuous comments from Clinton like the RFK assassination fiasco.

        And no mention of the DNC padding delegates into caucus states to allow Republicans to vote against Clinton and wield more influence than an Ohio blue collar democrat. No mention of Obama getting more delegates from Texas when Clinton won by 100,000 votes. No mention of Obama getting more delegates from Nevada when Clinton won there.

        All of this reads like the sequel to George Orwell’s book 1984. And the hardest part is knowing how easy it would be for all of us to browbeat Clinton back into this race and force the DNC to withdraw that bogus nominee declaration. But here we are contributing to the woman’s eulogy in June.

        (Click on my screen name for info on a campaign to get Congress to investigate the media for FCC and anti-trust violations.)

        • Gary McGowan

          Good observations about the article and easy toleration of it.

          Can’t see how this cowardly and immoral Congress is going to do any good with that investigation, though .

          Pelosi verges on being a traitor; she has sold out and the bagman’s name is Felix Rohatyn.

    • Judith

      I don’t know how much more disgusting he can get. Panhandling for the last $5.00 that someone might have is pathetic. He got to go home to his McMansion after that little fundraising speech.

  • Stephanie

    Let’s Raise Hill!!

  • Mr.Murder

    Only, nobody has won the nomination, so how could a loser be determined?

    The goal posts have been moved once again…

  • Hillaryfighter

    No V.P.

    I was firt open to the idea of Hillary being V.P., but not any more. There is no benefit for her whatsoever with an Obama train-treck whether he loses or wins in Nov.

    The hard-core leftists will make George W.’s white house look pretty.

    • No to B.O.= Body Odor & B. Obama

      You are so right! He will only marginalize and demean her, using her as a puppet and the one to blame for all the mistakes he is sure to make in the future. Stand up for yourself, Hillary, and screw party unity. When people treat you like crap, you need to stand up for yourself and say “NO DEAL!”

    • Dawnelle

      If she is offered the VP and decides to take the offer? It would lead me to believe she either has inside information and believes she can navigate for the country being CLOSE to the trainwreck

      or

      she thinks he will have to step down by NOV and as VP she would be right in place to step up

      if she DOESN’T take it (and is offered it)

      THAT might worry me.

      I’m telling you the kids are JUICED in O drool.

  • Fandango13

    Hillary for Majority Leader! Obama is probably going to lose the GE, but Dems will win in Congress. PLEASE don’t go on that loser’s ticket.
    Nobama. Not now. Not ever.

  • lorelynn

    I’m totally onboard with her getting the VP spot if she gets the universal healthcare portfolio unmolested by Obama. That would worthwhile because I don’t know how else we get universal healthcare in the next decade. If Obama won’t make the commitment to her handling the universal healthcare program, screw him. It’s the only way I vote for him.

    • Percy11

      Sorry lorelynn…it is a fantasy of yours to even think he would have her do anything as VP that will overshadow him.

      Keep Obama away from the White House…

      Hillary or McCain (or both) ’08

      • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

        What exactly is the worth of an Obama commitment, anyway? Has he ever kept his word on anything?

        • power coast FL dave

          Not that I know of, even in terms of the corruption, how does he deal, dirty?

          Meaning he will take the money, but if it turns out, for the moment anyway, to be against what he feels is best for him, does he renege?

          No honor among thieves?

          Is he screwing over the DNC, too?

          LOL

        • zerostress

          Sure, he did. When he signed a pledge not to campaign or participate in the Florida and Michigan primaries.

          • blueasthesky

            He gave a press conference in Floria and ran some ads on cable, both in contravention of the rules. So, no, that doesn’t really work, either.

  • fred

    All About The Benjamins And Lack Of
    Brother Can You Spare A Dime?

    A few hours from now I will step on stage in Detroit, Michigan to
    announce my support for Senator Barack Obama. From now through
    Election Day, I intend to do whatever I can to make sure he is
    elected President of the United States.
    Over the next four years, we are going to face many difficult
    challenges — including bringing our troops home from Iraq, fixing
    our economy, and solving the climate crisis. Barack Obama is clearly
    the candidate best able to solve these problems and bring change to
    America.
    I’ve never asked members of AlGore.com to contribute to a political
    campaign before, but this moment and this election are too important
    to let pass without taking action.
    That’s why I am asking you to join me today in showing your support
    for Barack Obama by making a contribution to his campaign today:
    https://donate. barackobama. com/support
    Over the past 18 months, Barack Obama has united a movement. He knows
    change does not come from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or Capitol Hill.
    It begins when people stand up and take action.
    With the help of millions of supporters like you, Barack Obama will
    bring the change we so desperately need in order to solve our
    country’s most pressing problems.
    If you’ve already contributed to Barack Obama’s campaign, I ask that
    you consider making another contribution. If you haven’t, please join
    the movement right now:
    https://donate. barackobama. com/support
    On the issues that matter most, Barack Obama is clearly the right
    choice to lead our nation.
    We have a lot of work to do in the next few months to elect Barack
    Obama president and it begins by making a contribution to his
    campaign today.
    Thank you,
    Al Gore
    LIVE TONIGHT — 8:30 p.m. EDT: Watch streaming video of Al Gore and
    Barack Obama at a rally in Detroit, Michigan:
    http://www.BarackOb ama.com

    • http://www.mytowntalks.com MyTownTalks

      Yeh, I’m gonna run right over and donate, not

    • No to B.O.= Body Odor & B. Obama

      These people who endorse Obama have lost all credibility with the American people. I now look forward to the GOP attack ads in the Fall (like they did to Childers, and Cazayoux in TN, MS where they linked them to Obama (photos ready?) and Wright – only now they can add Rezko, Ayers, Auchi, Pfleger, Meeks, Farrakhan, and even Michelle Obama to that list. Look forward to cleaning both houses of Congress and the DNC of these roll-over and play dead Obamacrats.

    • sjc-tx

      Al…. STFU!

    • Percy11

      Where is a barf bag when you need one!

      PUMA

    • salliort

      Over the next four years, we are going to face many difficult challenges — including bringing our troops home from Iraq, fixing our economy, and solving the climate crisis. Barack Obama is clearly
      the candidate best able to solve these problems and bring change to America.
      I’ve never asked members of AlGore.com to contribute to a political campaign before, but this moment and this election are too important
      to let pass without taking action.

      Thank you, fred, for posting that.

      Yes, we face difficult challenges, but:

      (1) we cannot realistically bring the troops home within four years, without creating even more damage in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      (2) Our economy will not be able to be fixed in four years. It will take longer to really fix the problems.
      (3) we cannot fix the climate problem without the agreement of China, India, much of South America and India and that is not going to be resolved in four years by anyone.

      Obama does not have the experience to deal with any of these problems, let alone all of them.

      I will not donate to Obama.
      I will not vote for Obama.

    • rwc

      Like that fat elitist swine and hypocrite is going to have any sway with either independents or working class Americans.

    • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

      Screw U Al Gore! If you are so concerned about global warming why are you supporting a candidate that puts out so much non-stop hot air.

      • Heissman

        Didn’t Al Gore invent hot air?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

      Dear Al,

      With all the Obullshit that has been tossed around by your new buddy, can’t you just process all that manure into carbo credits and sell them for greenbacks?

      Love and Kisses

      A No Longer Supporting the Corrupt DNC in anyway Democrat.

      Jeremiah

      P.S.

      I just made another donation to Hillary to pay off her campaign debt. Sorry i cant open my wallet to the Party that promoted Mysogony and racebaiting to get their darling selected.

      J

      • zerostress

        “I just made another donation to Hillary to pay off her campaign debt. Sorry i cant open my wallet to the Party that promoted Mysogony and racebaiting to get their darling selected.”

        mi·sog·y·ny

        race baiting

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

          Dammit, i was trying to sound like an ignorant hick that was clinging to guns with one hand and religion with the other to explain whey i didnt bother to spell check.

          Thansk a lot for blowing my cover.

    • MikeB

      I think I will donate to McCain.

  • BluDawg

    Obama Flip-Flop on Gun Control? Or New Politics? Or Both?

    Barack Obama appeared at a fundraiser in Philadelphia last night where he delivered the following remark:
    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
    A couple thoughts from McCain HQ on this. First, Barack Obama has a long track record as a proponent of stringent gun-control regulations–to the point that a questionnaire filled out by his staff, and with the candidate’s handwriting on it, stated that Obama favored a ban on the manufacture, sale, and distribution of handguns. Can we assume that Senator Obama now opposes efforts to ban the possession of handguns?

    Second, would Obama be carrying a concealed weapon to this fight? Will he have a permit?

    And finally, we’re having second thoughts about our proposed series of town halls.

    Will Al Gore have a gun tonight?

  • rwc

    Lots of hope going on here.

    You folks may want Hillary but the Democratic party and its politicians DO NOT WANT HER. Hell even most of the senate Dems won’t even talk to her.

    They have repeatedly communicated this to her supporters by their lack of support for her and her bid for the presidency.

    If anyone thinks she’ll be allowed to run for president in ’12 or if Obama stumbles before November forget about it.

    Obama already turned the DNC into a sock puppet organization and the Congressional Dems are behind Obama like a bunch of geriatric goosesteppers.

    The party you folks knew is dead.

    • Percy11

      AMEN RWC …..

      I will vote for McCain

      Hillary or McCain ’08

    • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

      The party you folks knew is dead.

      Unfortunately I think you are right.

  • roseeriter

    I like this statement on page 7 of that article:

    Naturally, the answer depends, first of all, on whether Obama decides to offer her the VP slot. For all the talk of her trying to muscle her way onto the ticket, one senses in her a genuine ambivalence about whether she wants the job. If Obama does offer it, however, she will have no choice but to take it. She is all too aware that if she turned it down and he lost this fall, she would be blamed even more loudly than she will be already, even though in her view his downfall is foreordained, and has nothing to do with her.

    Hillary knows what we know at NQ. NOBAMA!

  • Mr. X

    I read that article at nymag before the blog entry here disapeared and I must say, it was fantastic. I like that Hillary basically admits that she knows Obama will lose. And she gives the reason all of us know. The same reason why Gore and Kerry lost. They could not connect with hard working middle Americans and hispanics (amongst others).

    At the same time, she knows that she will get blamed for Obama’s loss in November, especially if Obama offers VP and she says no. So she’s likely to take it if asked even when she knows their prospecs aren’t good.

    • salliort

      I hate to see her attached to an Obama ticket.

      One vote sector everyone is ignoring when they talk about groups that will not vote for Obama are the Catholics all over the country.

      • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

        I would hate for to do that to herself first of all. Secondly I would hate to have to work against anything she is directly involved with.

        I will not vote for Obama. Period. Even if she is on the ticket. No how. No way. NObama!

      • MikeB

        One vote sector everyone is ignoring when they talk about groups that will not vote for Obama are the Catholics all over the country.

        And that’s before they find out Obambi supports partial birth abortion.

        Obambi opposed legislature that would provide medical care for fully developed aborted babies.

        Hillary and all the other Dems in the Senate supported the legislation.

        Obambi in the Illinois state senate killed a bill that would protect a baby born fully alive.

  • VRWC – Update Dept.

    Hillary as VP seems unlikelier than ever. Obama just hired Hillary’s fired campaign manager Doyle as VP staff chief. See Clinton Bundler on Obama’s Doyle Pick: The Biggest ‘F— You’ Ever at the NY Observer and Obama Hires Solis Doyle: A Bad Omen For VP Hillary at HuffPo.

    • Dawnelle

      ok i read they parted on good terms

      she could also be a “signal” to Hill fans that he’s considering her

      then they read what the voters think here and on the orange satan place

      nah

      what am I thinking? LOL

    • sjc-tx

      Ain’t politics strange…?

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      Obama is just using Patti to get Hill’s votes…

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

      BREAKING PREDICTION!!!
      BREAKING PREDICTION!!!
      BREAKING PREDICTION!!!

      Doyle was hired because Richardson is going to be the Vice Presidential Nominee!!!!

      It’s just another Pander, this time to the Hispanic Community.

      Or hafe we forgotten the false trumped up outrage over her leaving by socalled in the pocket obama hispanics.

      BREAKING PREDICTION!!!
      BREAKING PREDICTION!!!
      BREAKING PREDICTION!!!

  • http://snunes.blogspot.com Susan Nunes

    Sorry, but the writer is full of shit. Clinton didn’t lose–the primary was STOLEN, and without a serious analysis of what REALLY went on the primary season, such an article is a waste of time.

    Bill’s “erratic behavior”? Are you kidding me this is a good article?

    • power coast FL dave

      Yeah, can you imagine falling for that crap, and thinking it’s what really happened, she LOST the primary?

      Those Washington people must feel they really are in charge, if the start believing they’re effective.

    • Lou

      Bill and Chelsea went to some far away counties in Oregon and Those counties went to Hillary. Now tell me Bill is erratic. No NO NO. They were a big enough hit to gain the votes.

  • pasmalltowngirl

    This Pennsyvanian PUMA GIRL will never vote for Obama….not even if he tries to kiss our A** and put Hillary on as VP. Which he would only be doing to get our vote.

    • Dawnelle

      This is the kind of UNITING BHO has done.

      He has united ALL PUMAS whether in NC, FL, MI, TX, CA if you call PUMA you UNITE us!

      Indeed. Although I have not officially signed up because I read their rules and they say no swearing. This is a habit I have not broken…… so I’m holding off joining officially. I am there in spirit and we’ve already changed our party out of the sheer shame of “being known as a DONKEY” any longer.

  • http://supergram.blogspot.com ProudMilitaryMom

    I read the article- good piece, intriguing- thanks for the link.
    BUT- Did anybody else’s blood boil at the description of his guards? “When the chat is over and the nominee strides toward the freight elevator to make his exit, his Secret Service agents brusquely shoo away Clinton’s aides: “Stand aside for Senator Obama! Make way for Senator Obama!”
    WTF??? Who is he? The king? Stand aside?? Make way??? My ass- I am standing in his way and millions are ahead and millions are lined up behind me blocking his way to the White House!

    • power coast FL dave

      Maybe they drank the kool-Aide, too, maybe it’s prereq to work with Obama…

    • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

      I want to know how many Nation of Islam people Obama has on staff. He has one Senate staffer that is Nation of Islam. How much larger is their influence than this? Do you think the Chicago move will change any of that?

    • HillarySupportsObamaNow

      That’s because he’s had more death threats than any candidate in recent history.

      • TheViking

        *sigh*

      • Lou

        He’s given out a few death threats too.

        yeah the jig is up..wait and see. we’ll show you how the jig is up.

    • TheViking

      Yeah, that pissed me off too.

      Unbelievable.

      The guy’s the f**king Mafia man, simple as that…

      Sorry, but it’s true.

  • k in the northwest

    I have always said that Hillary needs to stay as far away from Obama as possible.
    When he blows up he will be taking all those that are working in select positions for him. I dont think it will be the Chicago crew….I think it will be the DNC crew.

  • standard

    We’re definitely a force, and a huge one.
    Just dust us off your shoulda bro.

  • marisa

    Hillary is far too good to be on an Obama ticket.

    He is so toxic that her reputation would be impugned.

    She has done so much good. Why team up with the Bubonic Plague of Democracy?

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

    I’m a conservative former-Republican

    I remember being 18 years old and relieved that I backed out joining the Air Force because it was Nov 1992 and Bill Clinton just got elected.

    So lets just say I was not a fan of Hillary.

    When this election’s campaign opened, I had viewed her candidacy with some alarm.. until Obama came along.

    Watching Hillary be the target of every hateful and malicious attack by the Obamas (I am from Chicago and understand what the Obamas are about) and the media .. I was disgusted by it.

    Thank God for SNL because were it not for the shock of a comedy truly mocking the Media, I don’t think they would have done any negative stories on Obama.

    I am not surprised at the nastiness of the Obama faction of the Democrats… I know you guys seem to think that the Republicans have some sort of monopoly on playing dirty adn that Democrats are pure.. but from my POV the Democrats are pretty ruthless when they want to be.

    The thing that concerned me the most was watching Obama go as low as he could go.. and not get called out on by Press. This is Mr New Politics? This is Mr Uniter? This is Mr. Bridging Gaps?

    I have a new opinion on Hillary Clinton now.

    I admire her fight. I admire her devotion. I recognize the wrong that has been done against her by Neo-Marxists. Justice is due to her.

    I’m sure Hillary Clinton and I will continue to diametrically opposed on every political view, but I have no anger toward her anymore.

    Hopefully this experience can lead to some mutual sword and shield dropping.

    The arrival of the Clintons in 1992 seemed to have exposed the bitter partisan riff that was boiling beneath the surface of American civil life…. a boiling which became thermonuclear with the election of Bush II.

    Hopefully we can use this oppurtunity to turn off the fire as we recognize that while we may not want the same policies, we both love our country and we need to work together to do what is best for its future.

    Ok this is getting too corny. I hope no one views this as an attack on Clintons.. I was simply explaining my POV.

    • Dawnelle

      I thoroughly enjoyed it Sir.

      I am honored to lower my shield and sit toe to toe with an honest foe. Agreed our policies may differ but I have seen the ruthlessness of both sides. It’s the extremes in both camps.

      Being moderate used to mean like road kill (back when I was way out in left field) Now I’m appreciating the peace making center through a shared value (or two) both important ones.

      Honor and Country

      • mlr701

        Agreed. Thank you both for sharing.

        I’ve always been very liberal policy-wise (McCain’s web site literally makes me shudder), but there’s something to be said for basic human decency and standing up for our Constitution and country.

      • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

        Thank you.

        I think what this whole thing has exposed is the deep fundamental corruption of the News Media.

        Obama would never have been able to railroad his way to the nomination if the Press didn’t put him on his shoulders and carry him safely across the water.

    • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

      Wow! And thank you. That is the way we should discuss matters. Mutual respect. Simply wonderful.

    • Northwest rain

      Being in the middle means less turbulence — and we are all in this together being real Americans.

      In the Puget Sound when the current runs fast — it is much easier to take the middle of the Sound — the current seems to run swifter on either the far left or the far right.

      Thank you Vince P — you seem to share the sentiment of many of my Republican friends. Many hated the Clintons and then Bill Clinton most of all. One of my friends left the US and is now living somewhere in the Caribbean — this friend was planning to vote for Hillary Clinton in November. My Republican friends admire Hillary’s fighting spirit and feel that she would be working for the best interest of the country.

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    I will not vote for a Obama/Clinton ticket…why would someone do that…that would not make the freshman senator qualified…I am going to vote for the person I trust to keep this country safe…keep my family safe and yours too.

    McCain ’08

  • marisa

    Vince-well stated.

    I came into the election with a bias toward Obama. After all, he had written two books! And they were supposedly well written, and hopeful!

    Hillary, I was told, was divisive. And I believed it.

    But when I opened my eyes to the reality and did some independent research and came to my own conclusions, well, it turns out that Hillary is far different than the media creation that falsely depicted her.

    And, well, Obama is far different than the media creation that falsely depicted him.

    One was far better. One was far worse.

    There’s no way in hell I could ever vote for Obama.

  • Ann On

    Count me as one voter who didn’t know much about Senator Clinton before the primary. Months and years ago, I heard politically knowledgeable people close to her remark that the more people get to know her, the better they like her. I wrote this off as political puffery at the time–hey, people said it about the repellent Barky-O, too. But in Hillary’s case, it’s proven true for me and for many others.

    Count me as one voter who looks forward to getting to know her better, and to supporting her whatever she decides to do, whenever and wherever it is.

    And I’m looking forward to reading her memoirs! I can’t wait to get an insider’s view of this so-called process 20 years from now.

    • Lou

      Many of us were truly tuned in to her. One guy said he thought she was speaking to him when he was watching her speeches on TV in his easy chair. I can understand that because she was..she was speaking to us all. I miss the Hillaryisms. She is quite a gal. She won inspite of his money, his cheating, the media, on and on..they finaly had to say he had enough delegates to win (which he doesn’t) and kick her to the curb.
      She is an amazing person. When she spoke, even tough men cried. She touched so many peoples hearts. How can they do this to her. To know her is to love her. For those of us who understnd her and her heart, we were once supporters and are now fanatics. We will avenge this rip off of the election. Come fall, we will never have to look at BO’s ugly face again.

  • Freedom Fighter

    I think the article explains why Hillary is not very likeable, and doesn’t make a great candidate, and also why she lost to the much more likeable and popular candidate: Barack Obama.

    • POdVet

      You lost us all with the blatant lie in your first 2 words!

      Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
      P.U.M.A.

    • Barak Osama

      Choke on your cafe latte, fucking troll.

    • Lou

      You have no idea what you are talking about what-so-ever. And you are WRONG. The hoopla in this election was that she was running and that brought out the voters in droves. Now she’s gone and it’s really quiet. No one wants to participate and if they do they will vote against the thug Obama. GET IT!

  • POdVet

    From Andy Martin announces news conference in NYC today!
    “I challenge Senator Obama to sue me for defamation if he truly wants to perpetuate the myth that he had no ties to the Muslim religion. I will waive all of the traditional First Amendment defenses (“Public figure,” “actual malice,” etc.) and will interpose only one defense in support of my claims: truth,” Martin will state at his news conference.

    Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
    P.U.M.A.

    • Ms J in FL

      Ahmen brotha
      this shit is deep. I feel the hope.
      PUMA!!LETS ROLL

  • marisa

    I have to say, that Martin is really upping the ante by giving up the traditional First Amendment defenses.

    If Obama does not respond to Martin’s challenge (of course, he probably won’t since, uhm, uhh, you know, when was the last time Obama accepted any challenge), then it says a lot to me.

    • Ms J in FL

      whatcha mean? he’s announced today that he’ll visit Iraq (but he’s not sure when though). that petition on Citizens for McCain must have got filled up. he’d look like a pussy for opting out.

  • Barak Osama

    After all the crap they piled on Clinton over her RFK comment, what will they accuse her of NOW, if she takes VP???? Hilarious….

  • marisa

    Barak Osama–that’s easy. They’ll accuse her of plotting to m-word Obama, and sympathetic media will argue that Obama must really believe in the best qualities of humanity to put someone who would clearly m-word Obama on the same ticket.

    Obama really is g-d. You see!

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    I have to go but I wanted to post this in this thread

    Are American Voters as Stupid As Democrats Bank On?

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3506

    I think it is pretty right on..

    • jnm594

      Great Article…Let’s throw them all out!

      • Lou

        This is what they mean by the party is not the party we used to know. It’s a circus of fools.

    • TeakwoodKite

      30yrdem-not any more; Ya gotta love this one.

      The average voter is stupid enough to believe that the best funded campaign in U.S. history is funded by America’s poorest voters in small denominations

      “http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf”

      • Nellie

        Great Link Teak!

        WOW – Love how they gloss over the fact that Socialism failed in country after country, and of course it is not their fault.

        Hmmmm Now where did I hear that blame someone else meme before?

  • Hillary the President

    AL Gore endorcement – obama.

    I just got an e-mail and replied I was so disappointed that he didn’t stand up for the unfairness took place on 5/31. And, unsubscribed his email.

    • Ms J in FL

      he’s so full blown gay. look at the picture of him with his hand out just above the CONTRIBUTE button.
      “I’m with you. Let’s support Barack Obama”?
      pleeeeese does this man have no shame?
      http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Please refrain from the gay jokes, after all we’re not Ann Coulter.

  • DirOfTheObv

    Read It Loved It. Have one thing to say:

    She is G-R-O-U-N-D-E-D. She sounds great and like she has really settled into putting into a perspective that will have her putting her best foot forward.

    Go Hillary!

  • Freedom Fighter

    Part 2 Made Ya Laugh, no?

    http://tinyurl.com/5kx6a3

    • Nellie

      Good video.

      Not so sure Obama will run from terror – more like he will CREATE it!

  • IndayHill

    Freedomfighter,WAKE-UP!!!
    Likeable and popular ???? What’s likeable in Barack Obama? His grin advertising his white pearly teeth? Made in China toothpaste,huh.
    Empty suit, man.Not likeable and popular for Christians and patriotic,PROUD AMERICANS!!
    His gaffes are annoying for us intelligent PROUD AMERICANS!!
    His rudeness is NOT ALLOWED in the WH!
    Because, we love our country, the very first day of our lives,WE ARE VOTING FOR HILLARY OR MCCAIN !!!!

  • BluDawg

    Native Americans Against Obama:

    http://tinyurl.com/5hor3x

    • Nellie

      The imagery in the video is fantastic, and the movement from item to item is the best example of subliminal messaging I have seen in a long time.

      Hopefully this goes viral through all the Pro Hillary sites.

    • Lou

      Awesome. Hillary would have helped them tremendously. The need their soveirnty and a place at the table.

  • MikeB

    I hope to God Hillary does not accept the VP spot.

    This guy will be defeated in November. She doesn’t want to be part of the ticket.

    Obama has been coddles by the media for over a year. They have swooned over her and trashed Hillary 24/7. Hillary did not have her own media to fight back.

    The GOP doesn’t have that problem. They have their own media institutions. They are going to fight back. They will go after Obama with everything in their arsenal and Obama’s media groupies will not be able to protect him.

    Hillary, please do not accept the VP position. Stay away from this crowd. You did your duty. You endorsed this guy. It was a hostage video. We understand. You don’t owe them anything else. Keep your distance. Watch him go down to defeat in November. Start organizing for 2012.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U&feature=related Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

    Obama will pick Richardson.

    He needs someone who is a royal asskisser and two faced turn coatwho has burned his bridges and realizes there is no where to go but up obama’s bum.

    Obama Richardson….Bet on It.

    • ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

      I hope he does, this way when I campaign for McCain I can carry a sign that says

      DONT VOTE FOR JUDAS!!!

    • TheViking

      I concure, I see it as a very distinct possibility.

      A Mafia man loves a good asskisser, and Richardson is one of the best.

      • TeakwoodKite

        Obama should take all of it, ’cause Billy is not a loyal creature as Carville indicated.

  • Faustina

    Mr. Heilemann’s article didn’t enlighten me at all about what is going on in the Democratic Party. The major question about Hillary Clinton, I think, should be why the Democratic Party has squelched and crushed the life out of a candidate who could easily beat McCain.

    They did this to run a nobody, a nothing, a thug who goes around threatening his opponents with guns.

    • ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

      I have always thought the reason is that they dont plan to win the WH
      they just want increased margins in Congress

      they dont want to fight for us

      they dont want to fight for universal health care

      Hillary would make them WORK

      they figure, we all vote McCain and we’ll vote in MORE dems to Congress to keep hi in check thereby increasing their power and ensuring they dont have to do jack for 4 more years..

      I am voting out all the downtickets who went Uhhbama …

  • DJ

    I heard Kerry is going to be VP pick

    • Gary McGowan

      So did Kerry. Unfortunately Obi offered the VP job to three different Senators (Kerry being one) each thinking he alone got the offer. Obi is such a dumb crook it makes my teeth hurt.

  • hootnannie

    So, Al, if change comes not from the WH or Congress, but from the people, does that mean we should go for our pitchforks? One little prick into that over-inflated, empty suit ought to do it!
    And, Al, I came to regret not voting for you. I was glad I didn’t live in FL, since I voted for Nader. I said that, as a hero of global warming information, you had come to look like Jesus compared to Dubya. Well, now, you look like Judas!! You have betrayed the Democratic Party!

    • jnm594

      Me thinks this will bite him in the a**!

    • Kevin

      As an environmentalist and conservationist, the big problem I have with Al is that while he talks the talk, he sure as hell doesn’t walk the walk. His Tennessee estate alone has the carbon footprint of a small town. If you are going to talk green, please at least be green

      • ulahane

        Last year, he spent a lot of money and effort to improve his mansion’s carbon footprint.

        http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html

        I haven’t seen a similar effort from Obama.

        • Kevin

          I know, its my way of railing about the hypocrites that run or have run this country. Gore is a sanctimonious ass, what has he cut back to? 15 times the average home, 10 times? Walk the friggin walk. Real scientists were talking about climate change twenty years ago, when Al was a senator planning to run for president. according to your link, he cut the summer electric usage by 11% That is from a 16,000 KW per month usage, whoopdefriggindo! He is still using the electricity of more than ten homes. Way off topic, but I did start it.

          • ulahane

            I agree with your points, but it is a sad fact that when politicians do try to “walk the walk” the media treats them as a joke (e.g. Kusinich).

            Gore is at least trying.

            • Gary McGowan

              Yeah… trying to make a bundle dealing in carbon credits.

  • rjj

    this was supposed to be in the NYM article. I think it says everything about Obama.

    [N]ow there is no longer even a faint pretense of parity. When they first spy each other in the corridor, Clinton hugs the wall deferentially to let Obama pass; their brief tête-à-tête only ensues at the latter’s instigation. When the chat is over and the nominee strides toward the freight elevator to make his exit, his Secret Service agents brusquely shoo away Clinton’s aides: “Stand aside for Senator Obama! Make way for Senator Obama!”

  • DirOfTheObv

    So I guess Obama’s half-brother didn’t hear about Fight the Smears dot com.

  • MikeB08

    I agree that Sen. Clinton’s best move is to return to the Senate and her increased power and prestige. I wouldn’t be able to get any satisfaction out of Obama’s loss in Nov. if she was on the ticket!

    • NObama in August

      Hillary needs to fight for the presidency.

      Go Hillary!

  • Five Thirty

    She’ll be the most heavily sought out person in the Congress as an endorser, a fund-raiser. Everybody is gonna want to have her come and campaign for them. She’s gonna be at the very top of everybody’s list.”

    Isn’t that nice? They are going to have a job for Sen. Clinton. She can come and campaign for everyone *else*.

  • DirOfTheObv

    Personally, I don’t think Ms. Clinton should want any part of Obama’s entourage. He sounds very controlling and dictatorial to me. I’ve noticed that he gets really testy when things aren’t going his way.

    Hillary would be a scapegoat for them everytime they mess up. She should go back to the senate and do what she does best. She will be way more engaged in policy making there than as a VP anyway.

  • Serena

    Hillary is way too good for all of them. She is in a league of her own. I hope she runs as far away as she can from the Obama Circus.

  • Babs

    It was wrong for Barack Obama to sit in the pews of racist, divisive TUCC for so many years, for even if he did not believe in the message, as he now claims, he lent credibility to that message by his position as first Illinois State Senator and then later as U. S. Senator.
    For this very same reason I am hoping that Senator Clinton will never, ever accept the VP slot, even if offered. Why should she lend credibility to the executive branch of the inexperienced, race-baiting, opportunistic, lying Barack Obama? No, Senator Clinton, just say No.

  • Gary McGowan

    howarddean@dnc.org
    17 June 2008

    Howard Dean, Chairman
    Democratic National Committee

    Dear Mr. Dean,

    I write as a concerned patriot, now abroad, who will not support my own Democratic party’s leadership or vote for the party’s apparent presidential nominee, Senator Obama. I am writing this to you out of concern for our republic and the principles it stands for.

    I well know that you, Howard Brush Dean III, the former Governor of Vermont are not actually a Democrat. You are a “fiscal conservative.”

    In 2003, you began stating opposition to some of the war policies of the Bush Administration, but you postured to the right of President Bush in demanding Bush “take a much harder line on Iran and Saudi Arabia.” you threw in with the Cheney-Wolfowitz neo-conservatives setting up the Bush Administration’s next war, by claiming that Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Libya were fuelling Palestinian and other terrorism.

    You are the heir of a long line of Wall Street Republicans. Coming out of Yale like your ancestors, you yourself went to work in finance, but you got bored, became a medical doctor, got bored with that, and went into politics. As a Presidential candidate, you simply rented yourself to the available sources of support.

    You presided over the disappearance of the state’s machine-tool plants, and the decline of its dairy farming and lumbering. You made saving money for the state’s Wall Street creditors, by cutting Vermont’s budget, your principal significant objective.

    Destruction of productive industry and its necessarily high-paid union labor pleased your family and Wall Street friends, so Vermont got a higher bond rating, despite her increasingly gutted economy.

    You openly supported the mid-1990s Newt Gingrich-led Conservative Revolution. When Democrats were fighting to keep Newt Gingrich from shutting down the federal government, you sided with Gingrich, who wanted to cut Medicare by $270 billion.

    You told reporters in 1995, that the way to balance the budget would be to “cut Social Security,” raise the Social Security retirement age to 70, and cut defense, Medicare, and veterans’ pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. “It would be tough,” you said, “but we could do it.”

    As late as June 2003, you said you would “entertain” raising the Social Security eligibility age to 68.

    Your rivals increasingly attacked you for these austerity prescriptions, and for your switches back and forth to curry favor from various constituencies. Wall Street became worried that it might lose its darling Dean. The Washington Post, reflecting the control of the paper by Lazard Brothers and Warren Buffett, in an Oct. 2, 2003 editorial, warned Democrats not to revolt against austerity, praising your long-term policies against seniors and the poor as simply reflecting the “unhappy reality.”

    Let’s have a look at your history of entanglements with the Bush family and the world of willfully morally-blind financier operations:

    Your grandfather, the first Howard Brush Dean, after graduating from Yale in 1918, joined the Yale clique dominated by Averell Harriman, and began work for the Guaranty Trust Company.

    Guaranty Trust Company was the base for financier George Herbert Walker, from which he organized the W.A. Harriman & Co. private bank in 1919, and appointed himself it’s chief executive.

    GHW’s daughter Dorothy wedded Prescott Bush, grandfather of GWB. (1921). Prescott later sent the money that put Hitler into power.

    GHW’s daughter Nancy was a bridesmaid at the wedding of the your graduated grandpa Dean (1920).

    We begin to see the history of your own family money and to understand why your operations would be considered, in the 21st century, high-yield investments for immoral speculators like George Soros (of whom more below.)

    Members of Harriman-Bush-Yale clique, started Pan American Airways. Grandpa Dean, now a wealthy stock exchange governor and broker, was made vice president and director of Pan Am in 1943; Prescott Bush was also a director of Pan Am.

    Your father, Howard Dean, Jr., left Yale, worked for grandpa’s Pan Am, and then expanded the family fortunes utilizing stock trading.

    You, having become bored with mere money and the duties of a physician, addressing the Vermont state legislature in 1996, pointed to the high-school level understanding that “some workers are simply not earning as much as they used to,” and that “lower salaries mean less revenue for state programs.”

    Your response, as an elected servant of the peoples’ general welfare was not to advocate proven Franklin Roosevelt-type economic recovery policies, but to demand the immediate elimination of “any potential deficit by the end of this fiscal year.” Austerity for the common people, profits for the now deregulated investment banks.

    You are not from Vermont, but from New York, Wall Street, and the elite Hampton beaches. And the nature of who has been renting Howard Dean, becomes more clear when considering your old Presidential campaign apparatus in your New York and Wall Street home base:

    Ethan Geto, chairman of your presidential campaign for New York City and New York State—professional lobbyist who, associated with New York Attorney General Robert Abrams, promoted and protected NAMBLA, the North-American Man-Boy Love Association, an organization of pederasts and child abusers.

    Geto represented himself as a leading homosexual and Gay Rights advocate, and yourself as a friend of gays. But in fact, the Gay Rights movement harshly condemned pederasts as criminals, and expelled NAMBLA from its ranks.

    Geto, who managed all aspects of your Presidential campaign in New York and was your spokesman there, had been the long-time political aide-de-camp to Robert Abrams. When Abrams became New York State Attorney General in 1979, he and Geto began a political witchhunt against psychiatrist Judianne Densen-Gerber, a tireless campaigner against pederasty and child abuse and NAMBLA’s main enemy.

    Utilizing criminal investigation together with a media smear campaign, Abrams and Geto forced Densen-Gerber to resign from her anti-narcotics program and sought her financial ruin.

    Steven Grossman was national finance chairman for your presidential candidacy—the linchpin for your campaign’s money outreach. He was also the former chairman of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the main lobby for the Israeli government.

    As such, Grossman may have been the most important activist for securing the Likud-nik faction of Israel’s influence inside the Democratic Party, and was chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 1997-1999.

    Your Northeastern States Finance Director was Emily Wurgaft–formerly an officer under Grossman at his National Jewish Democratic Council. She managed the $1,000 per person private fundraiser for your Presidential campaign over the Sept. 27-28, 2003 weekend at George Soros’s mansion, and her network overlaped heavily with Ethan Geto’s.

    Some are well aware that Grossman’s AIPAC and Ethan Geto go way back together.

    In 1981, contributors to AIPAC formed a political action front group called Roundtable PAC, a money conduit for junk bond scamsters Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky, gangster Meshulam Riklis (Ariel Sharon’s personal sponsor), and the leaders of United Fruit/United Brands.

    Both Robert Abrams and Ethan Geto, instead of prosecuting these gangsters and scam artists, joined them in giving birth to the Roundtable PAC, which served as a seed crystal for the growth of a right-wing power axis spanning elements in Israel and the United States.

    For at least a decade now, George Soros, having cut back on his estimated $300-450 million a year to the former Eastern European nations, has been, along with his more-than-wealthy friends, funneling funding money toward the end of controlling the U.S. Democratic Party.

    In 2003, he had pledged an initial $10 million to “Americans Coming Together” (ACT), aims at running the Democrats’ campaign against Bush. Six plutocrats allied to Soros gave another $12 million combined, and reports of the group’s fund-raising ambition ranged from $75 million to the NewsMax estimate of $250 million.

    When looters, usurers and speculators are allowed to ruin living standards and lobby, legally and illegally, for such, they offer crime and/or drugs as an alternative to a productive way of life and community. George Soros, is publicly the world’s most wealthy individual advocate of the legalization of the full scope of narcotics. Cooperating with drug money launderers and promoters of narco-terrorist control over various locations, Soros has financed pro-drug propaganda and referendums in the United States, and paid for pro-drug organizations, as well giving many millions to purportedly “democratic” and “Democratic” voices who end up supporting policies Franklin Delano Roosevelt would seek to stop dead in their tracks.

    I will not support the Democratic Party unless its leaders return to the core principles expressed in the Preamble of our Constitution, as did President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    It’s No Deal on your “party unity” charade, and PUMA (certainly you know what PUMA stands for.)

    Sincerely,
    Gary G. McGowan
    Clinton Democrat and FDR Democrat

    • Gary McGowan

      (The subject header was “I understand where you are coming from”)

  • http://nonobama desgans

    FRED n’est pas américain il na pas à vous dire pour qui voter, les médias en france sont ausi malhonnêtes que en Amérique, et je connais beaucoup de personnes qui destestent barack HUSSEIN obama, mais les journalistes n’en parlent pas pour continuer
    l’Obamania.

    Bon courage à vous amis Américains, je suis une fan de HILLAY.

    • ulahane

      Merci beaucoup

  • Gary McGowan

    Thank you, Desgans. I am sure France’s great hero, and friend of the American Revolutionary war, Le Marquis de Lafayette, would agree.

    www
    schillerinstitute.org/educ/hist/lafayette.html

    Allons enfants de la Patrie, Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
    Contre nous de la tyrannie, L’étendard sanglant est levé. …

    • Gary McGowan

      Desgans,
      www
      solidariteetprogres.org/

  • Barak Osama

    One Florida looser, endorsing another… Passing on the legacy.

  • sjc-tx

    yawn….

  • ken

    Now we know Donna had Gore’s backing this whole time. Gore has serious Clinton-envy to this day, and probably still blames the Clinton for his loss.

  • TheViking

    The geezer should piss off and grow another beard. Seriously, it’s very becoming for a SORRY LOSER!

  • Lou

    gore is in cahoots with the DNC fiasco. An uppity up has let this truth come out.
    I hope gore kisses his global warming interests good-bye. Obama is all about pollution.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    Ugh. First gay jokes and now Latino back stabbers? Geez. Please….

  • Lou

    Where did the 100 million dollars of campaign money go to under her watch? Incompetent boob.

  • Lou

    Might as well call up Michael Moore and have him join them in this circus.