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Health Care Reform, Dead Like Ted?

It is ironic that the news of Ted Kennedy’s death follows on the heals of the death knell of health care reform that is on the front page of the Financial Times today. You would not know it from reading the headling, “US says debt outlook worsening,” but this is big trouble for the Obama goal of getting a healthcare bill thru the Congress in the fall. Not only will Teddy be missing in action and unable to speak out but the financial news about massive deficits will make it impossible for legislators to push the US economy further into the swamp of debt. The news was buried in the story reporting on Obama’s decision to reappoint Bernanke as the Fed Chief:

The announcement came as the White House pro jected the budget deficit would be $2,000bn higher over the next 10 years than it had predicted. Taken with a separate forecast by the independent Congressional Budget Office, the news presented a bleak picture of America’s deteriorating debt position.

The CBO released sharply higher deficit projections predicting the 10-year deficit would reach $7,140bn, some $2,700bn more than it had thought in March. Unlike the White House’s calculations, the CBO estimate assumes all policies will stay exactly as they are.

“If you include the administration’s fiscal plans, this implies a deficit increase way in excess of $10 trillion over the next decade – the numbers are deeply alarming,” said Bill Gale, a senior economist at the Brookings Institution.

The real news is that the deficit is likely to explode by an additional $2.7 trillion dollars. Why?

That’s the CBO projection. We now know that the CBO is far more accurate than the Obama White House of spin. And it is even worse. The CBO’s analysis is based on the current law and does not consider the impact of Obama’s budget proposals, which will further exacerbate the deficit. The real number, if Obama’s budget proposals go thru, is closer to an additional $4 trillion dollars.

Those are unsustainable numbers. As I have pointed out in previous posts the economic news is not sunny.

Although there is news that US home sales increased in August and durable goods orders jumped up, the other news is troubling.


Housing starts fell 1 per cent in July from the prior month to an adjusted annual rate of construction of 581,000. The result trailed economists’ expectations of a jump in starts, but the June figures were revised up to show a 6.5 per cent monthly increase after originally showing a 3.6 per cent jump. Data underlying the overall figure reflect a diverging market, with construction of single-family homes picking up as building of multi-family housing slows. Multi-family home construction was off by 16.7 per cent in July but single-family housing starts, which are considered less volatile, rose for the fifth month running, climbing by 1.7 per cent. “The underlying picture is still consistent with a slow bottoming in this key sector,” said Alan Ruskin, strategist at RBS Greenwich Capital.


More than one in every eight homeowners with a mortgage was behind on home loan payments or in some stage of foreclosure at the end of the second quarter, as mounting unemployment aggravated the housing crisis, the Mortgage Bankers Association said on Thursday. The percentage of loans that were in foreclosure or at least one payment past due rose to 13.16 per cent, the highest increase since the MBA began keeping records in 1972 and a jump of more than a percentage point since the first quarter.

Then there is the commercial real estate market, which will implode and take out more banks. This will also add to the deficit as the Federal Government will again be compelled to rush in to stabilize shaky financial markets.

Did I mention the flu? We are likely to face a significant H1N1 flu scare in the fall. That means people will stop eating out at restaurants and going to movies. Normally the service industry is relatively immune from the kind of economic collapse we have seen over the past year. But it is not safe from the flu. If the flu scares lasts for more than two months it will make it virtually impossible to see anything approaching a robust economic recovery in 2010.

The deficit tidal wave is going to drown hopes for health care reform. Just like brain cancer, dying is not a matter of if, but when.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Invoking Bruce Willis….

    Ted is dead baby. Ted is dead.

    • oowawa

      Invoking a few lines of the Incredible String Band’s 60′s song, “Big Ted”:

      Big Ted’s dead , he was a great old pig
      He’d eat most anything, never wore a wig
      Now he’s gone like snow on the water , good bye

      He never cared to do the boogaloo dance
      All he ever thought about was food and romance
      And he’s gone like snow on the water, don’t cry

      Larry Johnson writes:

      The deficit tidal wave is going to drown hopes for health care reform. Just like brain cancer, dying is not a matter of if, but when

      As for the Health Care Plan that some would like to see bear Ted Kennedy’s name, may it sink like an Oldsmobile Delta 88 on a dark pond.

      This all sounds uncaring and crass, but we cannot afford to idolize this man right now, particularly if doing so is going to help put through this unfortunate health plan. We’ve had enough meaningless idolization lately, and the Kennedys have always gotten their share. Enough!

      • Katmoon

        Oowawa,

        I don’t think its uncaring or crass, I believe it is a lot of truth for many people. I can respect the death and life and really have issues with the politics. Some on the thread are clearly not regulars posting some truly tasteless remarks, which of course is meant to make the casual observer think we are a bunch of _________(what ever the flavor of the week is for branding us). Some people just don’t like the man, and for others there is just honest expression in whatever way they are choosing.

        I can well see this death being a political tool used to push for the health care reform bill, which is sickening, but that is how politics work, they eat their own, without a thought. It won’t work, and I can also see where sadness over the Senators death could be mistaken for a sign or weakness of some conjured up support, for that toilet paper of a health bill. Speaking only for myself, (generally, and not to you Oowawa) I can express condolences without losing my ability for critical thought, nor have I developed a hankering for either red or blue koolaid.

        I still will not become a sheep supporter of either party, I am a candidate person now and forever. I still think the Dems stink for how they are behaving, and am still pissed at the previous administration for some (most) of their outrageous acts as well. This Centrist believes, the health reform bill should be used to line cat boxes and bird cages.

        • oowawa

          Yes, I understand you, Katmoon. It’s a shame that we live in an age of instant icons, big celebrities, and in order to combat the icons you must become an iconoclast, a breaker of icons. If Thee One is portrayed as a messiah figure, some of us become sarcastic and abusive in order to debunk the mythology that has grown around Him.

          There is much I respect and honor about the Kennedy clan, particularly Robert, JFK, and some of the others. However, we cannot stand by and let this exaggerated “lion of the senate” business pass by unchallenged, because unscrupulous manipulators will ride that horse for their own purposes, and to our detriment. No more idols! Even the TV show is a farce. We have to beware of idolization, even if a political celebrity’s death seems to invite it. It’s a big red flag that there is a move to name O-Whole-Health after Ted Kennedy! Let’s look at him as a man with a history, and not as a deified icon.

          • Senneth

            I remember President Kennedy, he was a credit to his family. As was RFK. Ted Kennedy? Not so much in my book. Did he sponsor or co-sponsor bills that helped our country and her citizens, yes. He did many good things. But what I will remember most is how he embraced misogyny and sexism during this last election and kicked Hillary to the curb to endorse an empty suit. I’ll remember that he, again, tried to manipulate his state’s laws so that he could “select” his replacement after his death. I’ll remember him as trying to push this horrific health care bill down our throats when we, as a nation, have run out of money. I’ll also remember him trying to push Caroline into Hillary’s old job, and a whole lot of other unsavory things. In truth, while I mourned the passing of President Kennedy, and Senator Robert Kennedy, I’m relieved this one has passed on.

        • oowawa

          Greetings, Katmoon. I replied but the Almighty Spam Filter vetoed my reply. Cheers!

          • Katmoon

            Cheers rught back to you Oowawa! :) and Tzada :)

        • tzada

          Me too Kat, me too.

        • Peggy Sue

          Help! The spam monster ate another post. I’ve sent an email.

      • Peggy Sue

        oowawa, I don’t favor idolizing anyone: Ted Kennedy or Barack Obama. But a measure of respect for a decades-long senator on the day of his death is not extreme or over-the-top.

        However, . . .

        if the Obamatrons and healthcare reform banshees think that adding Ted Kennedy’s name to a flawed product will make the electorate accept what is “not” in their own best interest then they are sorely deluded.

        Larry is on the money [although the real money is depleted] that we are headed for an economic debacle. No amount of happy talk, green shoots nonsense or eulogies will change the fiscal landscape. We are on the ropes and this Administration is not making it better but worse with the continuous defit spending.

        The numbers are the numbers. You cannot pretend that they are anything but bad. I said a private prayer for Ted Kennedy today. But there is no way that conjuring up his ghost or the ghosts of his brothers can make this economy anything but what it is: awful and getting worse by the hour.

        Healthcare? When the entire system collapses, healthcare will be the least of our worries.

      • proud mobster

        I think Teddy’s Death and the Death of this Healthcare bill might signify the death of the Tax and Spend Democratic Party. When your boat is sinking its time to stop rowing and start bailing.

  • tzada

    They have the shocks named Kennedy ready to try and jump start it.

    As for the economy Rosy explains it away:
    A $1.9 trillion error explained
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/26/a-19-trillion-error-explained/

    and Chris of the tingly leg says

    Obama Not Getting Enough Love for Economic ‘Comeback’

    Try to keep a straight face when you hear this: President Barack Obama isn’t getting enough media love

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/08/26/matthews-obama-not-getting-enough-love-economic-comeback

  • HARP

    Larry…..sorry this is OT but have you heard anything about this:

    BREAKING: Rumors Surface That Leon Panetta is Resigning

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/26/breaking-rumors-surface-that-leon-panetta-is-resigning/

    • http://mcnorman.wordpress.com mcnorman
      • hokma

        Those Obama denials can be taken with a grain of salt.

        Whether it is true or not, the very threat by someone as credible as Leon Panetta gives credence to the assertion that Obama cares less about national security.

        If Panetta did resign then the Holder trials will certainly be seen as a bad political circus.

        • TeakWoodKite

          If Panetta did resign then the Holder trials will certainly be seen as a bad political circus.

          Hey Hokma, It is a bad circus already, don’t ya think?

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    and just think.if bo. had listened to me.and given all that tarp and stimulus money to we the people..well we would be on the way to a full recovery
    people would have paid their mortgages,started new businesses bought new G.M. and Chrysler cars.
    we wouldn’t be in this mess..
    and by the way we could have had a real potus Hillary.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    lovely post lost can it be retrived please

  • Tricia Spiegel

    This doesn’t look good at all!!!!

    Good point about the flu scare. Husband and I were discussing the flu this morning and decided to stock up on stuff to eat and do at home, not realizing that we would be contributing to harming the economy by doing so.

    • tzada

      Do your research about vitamins and minerals, foods and herbs for the flu. Stock up.

      I will not take that flu shot, nor will anyone in my family or circle of influence. I will lock my gate and put a skull and crossbones on it, saying danger stay away, if they start making it mandatory.

      The government recently passed a law that said that in cases of evacuation orders that they could now arrest people. Why all these new laws? New crisis, new laws …… a facist regime or maybe worse?

      • Pennsylvania Caucasian

        Neither will I.

        I haven’t had an immunization since I was 12 and got a tetanus shot due to a hamster bite.

        Never had a flu shot – and I rarely get sick.

        I’ve been on herbals and vitamins since my teens. I have some tried and true remedies, I hesitate to share since they may not work the same with everyone.

        The flu shots today have “accelerators” that amplify the chance of deleterious side effects occuring. Dr. Mercola has a good article on squalene online, I’ll have to find it and post it.

      • Pennsylvania Caucasian

        squalene info

        also check out nvic.org
        National Vaccine Information Center

    • Ellen D

      What about loss of productivity with people staying away from work?
      This Christmas just keeps looking better and better.:(

    • proud mobster

      Guess who’s going to be last in line to get Flu Shots — Seniors. Its more of that rationed Healthcare.

  • Obamastolemycounty

    Those are unsustainable numbers. As I have pointed out in previous posts the economic news is not sunny.

    But, Larry, do you think the democrats even care? It doesn’t seem as if it bothers them at all if we can’t sustain it. I’m not sure if they are just that stupid, ignorant or have evidence that the world is going to end soon so they want to get the last cookie in the cookie jar so no one else can have it. Much of what is happening doesn’t make sense and if they were worried about the numbers, one would think that they would have changed directions by now. It seems we’ve just hit the iceberg and are waiting for Titanic to sink, but dems think the Carpathia is close by and the rest of us know we’re just about to go under!

    • hokma

      To be fair, I think there are many Democrats (mature, sane, responsible) who do not share the reckless actions by nancy Pelosi or the radical views of Obama.

      Afterall it was Democrats who put the brakes on healthcare and cap and trade after the so-called stimulus fiasco. They do understand that they are elected officials (2 or 6 years) and they are intelligent enough to read polls – and those polls are showing that many if not most are in danger of losing their jobs. I am sure that they would rather throw Obama dn Pelosi under the bus before they risk their own job.

      • proud mobster

        Hokma — We are not Dems and Repubs anymore — we who are against this Healthcare boondoggle are Americans who love this country and our Freedom.

    • Country First

      I don’t think the majority of Americans care that our Republic is being dismantled before their eyes. They’re brain dead and blind. It sickens me to see what’s happening–the power being given the CZARS with no oversight from Congress, the Community Organizing of our government, and the loss of our freedoms. I’m losing hope.

  • Objective Analysis

    Rest in Peace – Liberal Lion of the Senate….

    and take your bid for Universal Health Care (or Fascist Care) with you….

    • maryann

      Read that Tennedy “fought the lion’s fight” to stay alive that last year…

      and thought that under Embalmacare he’d have been given that little pill and a guilt trip or two over a year ago…that last year was expensive!

  • candymarl

    I cried when I read the news. I was listening to Teddy’s eulogy of his brother Robert.

    All of them are gone. JFK, RFK ,and Teddy I mean. Once upon a time Teddy was a good guy who put the welfare of the American people first.

    Whatever Teddy did, right or wrong, he now has to answer to his Maker. RIP Teddy.

    • barry bums a ciggie

      …he now has to answer to his Maker.

      Funny, I had the very same thought as soon as I heard the news.

      I live in CO and saw this bit on the news. Apparently, this 0bot vandalized the Dem HQ and perhaps tried to pass it off as an angry mobster GOP…the news person said sign of grievances and anger about Obamacare were left at the scene. Desperate fools!!! Trying to make it look as though opponents of the healthcare did this.

      http://www.breitbart.tv/update-democrat-official-very-wrong-about-who-vandalized-colorado-party-hq/

      • tzada

        Hey there I have family in Greeley.

        • barry bums a ciggie

          i’m in denver…and the obots here are a little quiet in my neighborhood these days.

    • Mari

      Teddy will be in hell because he supported Obama instead of Hillary. That is a fact.

      • oowawa

        Link?

        • Katmoon

          ROFL; yes indeed. :)

        • candymarl

          I would link to hell but I was kicked out for selling ice water. So sue me.

          • Katmoon

            ROFL, Candy

            OMG, there really is one!

            http://www.hell.com/

            • oowawa

              OMG Katmoon–Well, that really freaked me out–couldn’t get out of that place fast enough. Did you see the message on the page?

              This is a private parallel web. There is no public access.

              Politicians’ entrance only?

              • Katmoon

                It is suppose to be Private Hell?

                This is a private parallel web. There is no public access.

                Politicians’ entrance only?

                I think its a bit weird. I felt the same way Oowawa..couldn’t high tail it out of there fast enough!

          • oowawa

            LOL candymarl, the link doesn’t have to actually lead anywhere–it’s just reassuring if facts are followed by a link of some sort, even if it’s phony. Here, I’ll provide one:

            http://www.infernorollcall.gov

    • Karma

      Got a little teary eyed too when hearing the news. Even with the news showing clips of the convention.

      It makes you wonder how much news of the townhalls and Pelosi’s verbal attacks on citizens reached him? Would the man who is famous for reaching across the aisle liked how the Dems have been bashing people?

  • LDW

    Americans are already spending more on healthcare than any other OECD nation. If Obama would institute real reform, and that would entail being able to bargain with drug companies, and also disallow their shenanigans concerning keeping generic drugs out of the American market; and if Obama would have a real Public Option that would maintain the 2% administrative overhead costs now found in Medicare and Medicaid; and if Obama would take on tort reform and stop the legal terror tactics now jet-fuelling the profits in malpractice litigation, Americans could have a decent system.

    There is no other OECD country where legal residents can find themselves without medical coverage because they lose a job and/or have a pre-existing condition. There is no other OECD country where legal residents face ‘lifetime caps’ on their medical bills or face crippling co-payment requirements for procedures.

    Mr. Hope and Change is now trying, behind closed doors, to put together legislation that will basically give the drug and insurance industries everything they want, and will perpetuate the status quo, albeit more profitably for Big Pharma and Big Insurance.

    Other OECD nations have better medical outcomes than America, and they spend about half as much money to accomplish this. Americans are already spending enough money, but the American system is being looted by profiteering greedy corporations. It’s time Americans got value for the money they are already spending.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      surprise, surprise. looks like the true believers are finding out that their messiah was never anything but a whore and a tool. we could have told them that. oh yeah, we did.

  • CG

    Healthcare reform: We can pay for it now, or pay more later
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus26-2009aug26,0,7496524,full.column

  • gianni

    Too bad. Medical insurance coverage is not a right that everyone should have. You have to pay for it just like anything else. That is the game of life. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose, and sometimes bad things happen to you. Big deal. I sure as hell don’t want the government micro-managing every risk or contingency situation. Just let me lead my life, and I’ll take my lumps, my ups and downs, my triumphs and setbacks, with grace and dignity.

    You know what? People are born, and then they die, and there’s not a lot you or anyone can do about it. I wish more people could to grips with this simple reality, and quit trying to finesse it. Life can be joyous, but it can also be brutal, and the end for many of us will not be pretty. Deal with it. And move on and enjoy your life as best you can.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      I absolutely agree!

      • Peggy Sue

        Sorry, I disagree. I’ve said it before and will say it again: we will be judged as a society in the way we treat the most vulnerable amoung us–the elderly, the poor, the disabled. Not how much money we save.

        That being said, the present healthcare reform bill serves no one’s interests [other than the fat cats]. And if we bring the whole system down in the process? We’ll only add to the collective misery.

        I’m beginning to wonder if that isn’t the point.

        • Katmoon

          I have thought that as well Peggy Sue. We do need a health care system in place for those who need it, but it needs to be a working system, that is optional and available and used correctly for what it is meant; to serve the uninsured. This ramming a plan thru fast after the financial fiasco’s this year is sheer folly. Change may be necessary but this has to be done in increments, a change to how health care is perceived isn’t realistic when we go from we need a plan to you

          You vill have zee plan we give you and you vill enjoy it!

          Of course I exaggerate. None of us have to look to0 far to find that person we know who could benefit, properly from a decent and lawful health care plan. Congress needs to find a brain to put in their thinking caps and remember the plan is for the people and not to line their pockets. I still imagine there will be the biggest push for this plan when the flu season hits hard, porcine or regular; knowing damned well a year ago there would be many medical problems due to the flu and caused by the flu. Yet, much like financing mortgages, undercutting veterans health care, and on and on they turn their heads and treat us like abusive parents. PSSSST…..Head Narcissist, we are not your children, we are your employer. If you can’t deliver the product that suits our needs, you’re fired.

        • Katmoon

          Glubb glubb Glubb, Gasp!(help me, I’m drowning in the spam filter)…what a world, what a world!

          • TeakWoodKite

            Must be the evil link up thread. :)

            Pray for all the lost souls comments.

        • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

          “we will be judged as a society in the way we treat the most vulnerable amoung us–the elderly, the poor, the disabled.”

          WHO are these mythological people who will judge us? This to me is not a logical reason to past unsustainable, costly bills that make matters worse.

          If you want “us” to treat the elderly, the poor and the disabled better, then get off your rear end and get involved – start a non-profit, donate to one, or volunteer.

          Government is not the only avenue through which we can be generous.

          • Peggy Sue

            I never said that passing a stupid or unsustainable bill to fulfill any social contract with the most vulnerable among us is reasonable, Hillary or Bust.

            But I do believe that most Americans are compassionate and that we, as responsible citizens, feel a social responsibility to our children, the elderly, the poor and the disabled. We may manifest this through our churches, our charities or yes, our personal endeavors. But if our government is a reflection of who and what we are as a people then why not take the weakest members among us into consideration?

            I agree. It’s not always easy but it’s morally right. And I still believe we have a moral center.

            Of course, you and I could be living in an entirely different country. Or don’t you think Hillary Clinton believes that our personal responsibilities go beyond self or blood ties? It takes a village to resolve the hardest, most intractable problems with effort from a concerned and dedicated community.

            Sorry, but with all the ill winds and bad policies, I still think we’re capable of striving towards that.

            • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

              As I have watched the debacle with Obama, the Democrats, the bailouts and the stimulus bill, I think I am leaning more towards the libertarian viewpoint as being the more “moral.” That means, limited government.

              I think people need to stop expecting the government to fix everything. Once again, if you think the “weakest” among us needs help, then go help them.

              BTW, I think there’s something slightly patronizing about making statements about “the poor, the elderly and the disabled.”

              First off, poor is NOT a permanent condition. It is a temporary way of being that can be dealt with. I have been poor and not poor.

              Heck, I just ran into a friend of mine who grew up in the ghetto (in LA). Grew up very poor, and black. Now NOT poor (still black).

              Second, “disabled” refers to a lot of people who may or may not be functional as disabled. Someone who needs a wheelchair due to a spinal injury may be disabled but could be perfectly functioning, productive, happy and rich.

              Third, not all elderly are hopelessly poor and on the dole. Some are doing quite fine.

              Not saying we should never help people. but don’t victimize large groups of people who may be doing just fine.

          • Peggy Sue

            Another spam gobble, Larry. Retrieve if you’re able. I’ve sent the requisite email.

          • Ferd Berfle

            his to me is not a logical reason to past unsustainable, costly bills that make matters worse.

            While I agree that this healthcare bill is nothing short of stupid and will only magnify the problems with the current system, the government spends money on utterly useless crap all the time. Since when has logic or reason been a causal factor in such spending?

        • Ellen D

          Thanks, Peggy Sue, for your compassion.

          And as for this:

          Sometimes you win sometimes you lose, and sometimes bad things happen to you. Big deal. I sure as hell don’t want the government micro-managing every risk or contingency situation. Just let me lead my life, and I’ll take my lumps, my ups and downs, my triumphs and setbacks, with grace and dignity.

          This is written by a young person who has never been gobsmacked by tragedy.

          • Ferd Berfle

            This is written by a young person who has never been gobsmacked by tragedy.

            In short, it was written by yet another bot.

          • Peggy Sue

            Thank you for the support, Ellen. And, of course, you’re right. When tragedy hits close to home, we all become amazingly more understanding and compassionate to the unexpected travails of life, ready or not. And those tragedies can happen to anyone and everyone, regardless of who we are or where we live.

            It’s a fine, fine line of separation. But maybe you have to live it before you really know it.

            • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

              I’ve had plenty of tragedy and personal issues with my health. Don’t presume. And BECAUSE I’ve dealt with personal hardship and had to lift myself out of it, alone and single, and I survived just fine, I think people need to be strong and stop expecting everything to be perfect all the time.

              I think sometimes the “suck it up” message is important because people DO need to deal with reality sometimes. Life is NOT FAIR. Things sometimes suck. Let’s get our heads out of the utopian sky and realize we can’t keep everyone from getting a boo-boo on their finger.

              I don’t think this attitude lacks compassion.

    • propertius

      Let’s take it a bit further: terrorism, crime, fire, and foreign invasion are all a part of life, as well. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Obviously we don’t want the government micromanaging details of fire protection either. And, after all, most of us will never really need the fire department anyway. It’s pretty clear to me that we should disband the police, fire departments, DoD, and the intelligence agencies. They’re just an obvious waste of money. People who are too goddamned weak or lazy to fight their own fires, gather their own intelligence, apprehend their own criminals, and kill their own terrorists deserve what happens to them. After all, why should *I* be taxed to protect *your* house? I’ve never been robbed and I’ve never had a house fire. Nobody I know has been killed by a terrorist, either. It’s clearly all just a waste of my money.

      Right.

      • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

        I don’t think your analogy is quite right here – part of the reasons we have firefighters is so the whole town doesn’t go up in a blaze if one idiot decides to leave a smoking cigarette on his sofa.

        Health is more complex – a lot of health problems in America are lifestyle related and totally preventable, for one thing.

        Also, I would rather take my chance with terrorists than live in a police state, where you need an ID to travel in yourr own city and even malls have metal detectors…

        • Ferd Berfle

          His analogy is correct in light of the comment to which he was referring. If one is going to use the “i-got-mine-you-get-yours” argument, then anything the government might pay for out of tax dollars is subject to the very same argument. The simple answer is to not use such an argument in the first place. Gianni opened the door by using it and propertius slammed it shut on him.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Even though I don’t agree with this fiasco of a healthcare bill, you do make excellent points.

        After all, why should *I* be taxed to protect *your* house?

        That is a stunning question and a logical extension of the I-got-mine-you-get-yours mentality.

        At some point we are going to need to repair the system. This stupid bill isn’t the remedy and will only make things worse.

        • hokma

          Good point.

          Although this country was founded on the basic principle of “self-reliance” by nature we also want to help others who cannot have a hard time helping themselves.

          It was in Ted Kennedy’s nature to negotiate progress and understand that it cannot be all or nothing. If he were healthy and active in the Senate I believe that he would not have allowed this to get as out of control as it has. he would not have allowed a “stupid bill” (actually there is more than one now).

          • Ferd Berfle

            I believe you are correct.

            • trixta

              I don’t know about that … Kennedy endorsed Obama, after all, and saw him as the torch carrier. I think TK sold his soul to the ….

              • Ferd Berfle

                Hokma was referring to Ted’s ability to reach across the aisle and not his support of That One. The bill might have been different had Ted been ramrodding the healthcare bill in the Senate. While I didn’t much care for Ted, I do acknowledge his skills at the art of compromise. One doesn’t get 2500 bills passed in a career without having an ability to haggle.

    • AF catfish

      Health care costs money, and therefore is not a right. It just isn’t. Freedom of speech is a right. Healthcare is not.

    • Paul

      The libertarians are the often the biggest hypocrites…

      I suggest Mexico or Somali where there are limited government and you can live in the anarchy you preach.

      By the way you are already paying for the uninsured.

  • S – Angeltour

    the sad truth and fear igniting is because the dems are in denial…they are in their own bubble of power and la la land…

    the worst the headlines and facts are, the more they dig in…and ignore…

    the dems so many of us always loved so much and defended to so many…have turned into a frightening mess…

  • hokma

    Ironically, it was just announced that the famous author Domminick Dunne just passed away. It is ironic because among the topics he was most famous for were his writing about William Kennedy Smith and Michael Skakel – whose innocence Robert F. Kennedy Jr. still believes and is still trying to prove.

    It is also ironic because it should be a stark reminder about the difference between the urban myth of Camelot and the real character of this man and his family.

  • tzada

    Coming up: circumcision campaigns

    The advocates of ObamaCare insist that medical decisions will remain between doctors and patients and not involve mandates from government. However, the same people also cheer the idea of government “coaching” doctors to adopt practices, and to back up those choices with pressure from payment schedules, which will result in de facto diktats, especially when it evolves into a single-payer system. If they succeed, expect to see a campaign to push new parents into circumcising their male children in the name of AIDS prevention — even though the risks are manageable and the effect less than certain:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/26/coming-up-circumcision-campaigns/

    What could be next? Oh……

    • tzada

      Barack Obama has warned us of Tonsil Vultures and Foot Rustlers. So far, he hasn’t issued a warning on Foreskin Fiends. In 1999, approximately 65% of all males born in the US were circumcised, which represents around 1.3 million each year. In contrast, surgeons perform only 600,000 tonsillectomies a year.

  • Texas Playwright

    USA is in debt. Shameful. Stop spending, USA. Forget healthcare and invest in jobs in America for Americans. Start producing and saving again.

    • S – Angeltour

      oh how i wish our so-called leaders would listen to your suggestion Texas Playwright…

      the dem leadership is prepared to do everything but sell us the kitchen sink…see new “clunkers for appliances” coming to every appliance store in October…this is true, I am not kidding…

      …everything but focus on creating jobs and saving home foreclosures which continue to rise…

      …those things are not even worth a mention from the lips of our democratic leadership…

      • Katmoon

        The ultimate oxymoron-

        Democratic Leadership

        If O stopped too fast there would be a traffic jam of broken noses behind him.

    • tzada

      In my email today

      FDIC: Number of troubled U.S. banks rises to 416

      08/27/2009 10:28:09 AM
      Visit http://www.marketwatch.com for updates to this story and more

      and

      Bob Livingston
      Editor, Liberty Alerts
      Editor, The Bob Livingston Letter

      A new report by the Army War College’s Strategic Studies Institute states flatly the U.S. military must prepare for “a violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” that could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.”

      Late last year, The Washington Post noted the incoming Obama Administration is going to “earmark” at least 20,000 troops returning from Iraq to deal with “domestic emergencies.” Since then, the Army Times has broken the story that the domestic emergency army unit has been increased to 80,000 troops, who are being trained right now in Georgia.

      A rare critic of the government’s keep-the-public-in-the-dark mentality is former head of the U.S. Commission on National Security, Stephen Flynn. He noted in a recent Wall Street Journal editorial: “Too many officials believe telling the truth to Americans about the risk would set off a nationwide panic. Thus, they keep us sheep in the dark for our own good.”

      Call me chicken little of “the sky is falling” I don’t care what you call me or think of me, but please get ready.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    On the swine flu front, I noticed at two separate grocery store chains in the past few days a new thing: They now have complimentary sanitary wipes at the entrance. Kinda creeped me out.

    I am not afraid of getting the flu. Sure, I could die from it but I could die from a car accident too…

    • Arabella Trefoil

      They’ve had those wipes in my stores for at least a year. I think it was partly a response to the disgusting crap kids drooled all over the shopping carts.

  • helenk

    I do not know if it was the Cancer but he who wanted to preserve the Kennedy Legacy, did the most damage to it.

    Maryjo
    William Kennedy Smith
    No child left behind
    Backing Backtrack
    Trying to push Caroline Kennedy into the Senate
    Trying to change the law in Mass back to the governor naming a replacement instead of a special election.

    My condolences to his family.
    but lets not sweep under the rug the damage he has done

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • S – Angeltour

      don’t forget he backstabbed Bill and Hillary Clinton…the worst of all – he tried to make the Presidency of Bill Clinton and the chance for Hillary to become President…just a “page that had to be turned” as if, the Clintons were not worthy of his “torch” and then insinuated that Bill was a racist…

      that was the straw that broke the camel’s back…

      • candymarl

        Agreed. Bill Clinton has had black friends since he was a child. A lot of the white kids wouldn’t play with him because he was considered trailer trash.

        His affection for black folks is not feigned. He’s had black friends for years long before he became President.

      • Senneth

        Yes. And after Bill Clinton did the search for JFK Jr. when his plane didn’t show up. So much for gratitude on the Senator’s part.

    • lanikai

      thank you for also remembering, it astounds me how he can be called a hero

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    please rescue me from the spam filter!

  • Katmoon

    Over at the Koolaid Cantina it has already started: here is their headline

    “WIN ONE FOR TEDDY”
    How Kennedy’s Death Affects Dems’ Health Care Push

    huffingtonpost.com

    Whores!

    • oowawa

      Exactly. These guys know how to manipulate people with symbols, and right now Edward Kennedy’s death is made-to-order for their purposes. They will try to deify him and drag this out through the MSM as long as possible. And so if we scoff a bit disrespectfully on a little blog like NQ–it’s dust in the wind. This is a good crisis that they’re going to ride to the bank (as long as the bank isn’t in Georgia).

    • oowawa

      Original reply taken by Almighty Spam Filter, perhaps to wherever the soul of Ted was taken. To summarize: Exactly!

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Michael Jackson is as much help to Obama’s health plan as Ted Kennedy is. All Obama has to do is raise both of them from the dead. Then, baby, we’ll see Obamacare.

      Ted Kennedy can tell people that dying before you use up a ton of money on treatments to keep you alive is smart. God personally thanked Ted for dying and saving the health care system a ton of money.

      Michael Jackson can remind people of the dangers of using your own money for private medical care – doctors who shoot you up with anesthetics and leave you to die like a dog. Micheal Jackson can tell us that if he had been on Obamacare, he would still be alive! His face would be falling off, and he’d be real cranky from chronic insomnia, but he’d be alive!

      Yeah, go ahead and come after me, obots. Tell me I’m offensive and over the top. I dare you to do it. All of you would gnaw off your feet if you thought it would help Obama. You wouldn’t gnaw off your fingers, because then you couldn’t keep typing.

  • Arabella Trefoil

    Obama is probably getting all wee-weed up because Ted Kennedy let him down by dying! How selfish of Ted Kennedy to die right when Obama needed him.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The announcement came as the White House pro jected the budget deficit would be $2,000bn higher over the next 10 years than it had predicted.

    This doesn’t surprise me at all. That One’s mathematical skills begin and end with division.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Good one, Ferd!

      • Ferd Berfle

        Tx, Arabella. It was too good to pass up.

        • ~~JustMe~~

          it’s way above his paygrade to know math!

  • Patience

    The implication of the exponential increase in the deficit seems to be lost on the callow followers of Dear Leader. Their typical response is that Bush increased the deficit too (simple math doesn’t seem to be one of their strong suits). Their vision views everything through the prism of only the Bush years: Axelrod’s and Emanuel’s okay because of Rove; Olberman’s okay because of Limbaugh; Afghanistan’s okay because of Iraq. Fortunately they have no choice but to age.

    IMO effective healthcare reform would undo the mess that’s been created by the decades-long collusion of government and insurers. What we really need now is much more choice when it comes to health insurance products. More competition among insurers will bring down costs. And we need the political class to stop its unfair and unwise spending before we can consider expanding government healthcare so that it will solve more problems than it creates.

    Maybe I’m as naive as the Obots but I’m starting to think the only way we can have government that performs optimally is to TOTALLY ban political contributions and fund campaigns publicly. I’m deader-than-Ted serious.

    • CnetralMass

      To clear up one point.

      Reagan took office with a national debt of around $980 billion. Trickle down econmonic does not work.
      Resulting growth does not pay for the loss of revenue. His budgets bled money every year of his presidency and he brought the Natioanal debt to $3.9 trillion. It was $5.5 trillion at the end of G.H.W. Bush’s term.
      Clinton left office with a debt of around $5.6 trillion after inheriting a defict budget, reversing it and paying down some of the debt in his second term. He left office with the first two consecutive budget surpluses in 4 decades.

      G.W. Bush took it took $11.6 trillion with trickle down II.

      84% of the of the National debt was during the Reagan-Bush, Bush Jr years.

  • robert

    Please call it the Chappaquiddick Health Care Reform Act.

  • elaine

    Billions of dollars have already been allocated to lay the groundwork for both Cap & Trade and Health Care Reform in the Stimulus package. Now what can we do about that? I feel snookered.

  • Hap Hazard

    Very insightful post Larry, and I hope you are accurate to every detail in terms of your predictions. It is also a shame that Obama appears to want to run the economy off the cliff.

  • CentralMass

    Speaking ill of the dead is classless IMO. Though there were also some viscious comments about Reagan on the blogosphere when he passed.

    Ted Kenndy did pass an amazing amount of legislation during the last ~5 decades. A lot of it, on balance, benifitted a great number of people in this country.

    • CentralMass

      Larry,I think your points about the economy and deficits are key to tthe debate.

      Passing a half-cooked healthcare bill that appears to lack reform and cost cutting that will add $50 million people to and out of control system seems as fiscally irresponsible as the Wall St giveaway.

      We need a Balanced Budget Ammendment and “Pay As Yo Go” before the National Debt equals the GDP.

    • tzada

      “If they’re going to talk about Camelot, then we get to talk about The Lady in the Lake.” Dave in Texas

      I posted it below but moved it up hear special for you.

      • tzada

        that would be here not hear.

    • BlueTopaz

      Speaking ill of the dead is classless IMO

      So, should the world speak in warm fuzzies about Hitler! Just because Hitler is dead, doesn’t erase the evil he’d done.

      Kennedy was a hypocrite and a back stabber. How classy he was to leave that girl to die while he got the evidence (alchohol) out of his system. Cheney took good notes.

      No windmills in his back yard. I hope he didn’t have any paintings that included old-fashioned windmills. Maybe if they made them look like Dutch windmills they wouldn’t be eye-sores and would have enhanced his view, since clean energy was less important than his view. I personally think modern windmills are cool. Not as pretty as the older ones, but they still make me smile.

  • DAB

    Until yesterday, I was unaware of the fact that Richard Nixon tried to initiate Universal Health Care Reform and Teddy Kennedy stopped it because he thought it had not gone far enough.

    In a strange twist of fate, were it not for Teddy Kennedy we might have had the in place at a time when it might have been a viable option.

  • Sassy

    Just as Kennedy and Obama were suddenly joined at the hip throughout the election, be sure that the Kennedy name will be invoked on every occassion to push this health care debacle.
    And it will play big time to all the zealots who put Obama in the White House.
    The only hope, as I see it, is that Independents see the error of their ways and resist loudly. More town hall meetings may swing this thing!

  • Regina

    I am hoping that those who read this post will contact Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. D-NJ. The Asbury Park Press covered his Red Bank town hall meeting. He is quoted as saying that he thinks that people are outraged at the healthcare bill because they have a misconception of the bill. He said he would go back to washington, even after hearing from his constituents, and would not amend the health care reform bill. He is in denial. He thinks we are stupid and that he doesn’t have to listen to us.

  • Kelly

    And no it’s not dead..It will be put back in after a vote if it don’t pass by Nancy Pelosi and Obama. GOD HELP US.CONGRESS NANCY PELOSI IS RUNNING A MOB GOVERNMENT.THEY WORK FOR US.. FIRE THE BUMS ALL OF THEM !

    You need to see this ! And now very inportant that you do.

    http://mobsrus.ning.com/forum/topics/glenn-beckplease-watch

    and this

    Jennifer Rubin Reports with Michael Steele: Don’t Believe The Hype, The Public Option isn’t Dead

    http://www.pjtv.com/v/2348

    MSNBC & The Great Liberal Narrative: The Truth About The Tyranny of Political Correctness

    http://www.pjtv.com/v/2343

    And this This is a wooper “A MUST SEE ” oH HOW msnbc STILL CONTINUE PLAYING THEIR NASTY GAMES TO HOLD THE AFRICAN AMERICAN at bay with them. Now watch as we all saw how MSNBC-NBC -played their game during the election but, wait they really went to far and you will see..just watch. This African American is sueing MSNBC for what they had done. People are jumping democrat-msnbc-obama ship at a fast rate.But, at that tea party there wer many African Americas who are standing with “We The People ” to fight against the health bill and gun rights.MSNBC will play anything as the race game by useing the African Americans in their agenda.but many have now awoke and will not be held at bay with the wrong msnbc did-the wrong with what Obama lied and lied now they see he is nothing more then a Liar- The wrong MSNBC did in playing a race against the other. we stand no more. it’s we the people who will stand together MSNBC NBC MSN AND FIGHT YOUR LIES. We are free and our freedom is not your to take from any of “we The People” It’s not your choice to take over our health providers or insurance to throw us into the government control pile… NO THANKS !
    VOTE ALL THE BUMS OUT SHUT MSNBC DOWN !

    MSNBC & The Great Liberal Narrative: The Truth About The Tyranny of Political Correctness

    http://www.pjtv.com/v/2343

  • tzada

    “If they’re going to talk about Camelot, then we get to talk about The Lady in the Lake.” Dave in Texas

  • Docelder

    This is a sobering story on stop the ACLU. Kennedy joking about Chappaquiddick? Audio clip of Ed Klein Newsweek editor.

    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/08/28/kennedy-liked-to-joke-about-chappaquiddick/

    Kay: Ed Klein, that’s what I’m hearing today, that people are sad at his passing, and yet celebrating this huge life and its huge long list of accomplishments.

    Klein: I think he’d be the last person who would want us, those he’s left behind, to, um, be, uh, morose and, and full of bathos. I think he, he –

    Kay: He would come in with a big guffawing laugh and make us laugh too.

    Klein: He would, yes. You’re so right, he would. And he’d probably have a joke to tell as well.

    Kay: At his own expense.

    Klein: Well y’know, he, I don’t know if you know this or not but, one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, “have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/08/28/newsweek-s-ed-klein-chappaquiddick-one-teds-favorite-topics-humor

    • oowawa

      Jokes about Chppaquddick? Oh here’s one: I don’t know if it’s true, but I heard that Mary Jo’s fingers were bloody from trying to claw her way out of the roof of that Oldsmobile she was trapped in.

      That’s so funny, it sends cold chills down my spine. I guess maybe that’s not laughter.

      • Docelder

        Yes, I don’t see any jokes about that incident to be covered at all by any sense of the term “self deprecating” humor. If this is true then it is perverse.