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		<title>By: Clunker Is as Clunker Does - OPEN THREAD : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clunker Is as Clunker Does - OPEN THREAD : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] us into the coffin as a replacement and they are using these clunker programs (as discussed here, here and here) along with health care reform and any other legislation they can get passed as the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250424</link>
		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Car Dealers Still Waiting On &#039;Clunkers&#039; Cash&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s the figure: $2.878 billion. That&#039;s how much money the government owes car dealers for the &quot;Cash for Clunkers&quot; program.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Cash.for.clunkers.2.1155470.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Car Dealers Still Waiting On &#8216;Clunkers&#8217; Cash</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s the figure: $2.878 billion. That&#8217;s how much money the government owes car dealers for the &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Cash.for.clunkers.2.1155470.html" rel="nofollow">http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Cash.for.clunkers.2.1155470.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiddlesticks. Lost another. I am left to wonder if those who responsible for the programming of the Spam-monster actually have any sort of functional understanding  of the English language or if they merely have passing knowledge of it through their mother language, texting, and its associated lack of character clusters of more than four or five letters. To our collective inability to make decent cars we can add anything to do with functioning automated applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiddlesticks. Lost another. I am left to wonder if those who responsible for the programming of the Spam-monster actually have any sort of functional understanding  of the English language or if they merely have passing knowledge of it through their mother language, texting, and its associated lack of character clusters of more than four or five letters. To our collective inability to make decent cars we can add anything to do with functioning automated applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250236</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Luckily I am also able to make my monthly mortgage payment so am not able to participate in the government home refinancing progrm.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, me, too. If I had gone in way over my head purchasing one of those  unsightly McMansions, I would more than likely be eligible. But no, I chose to be a responsible adult and purchase a lovely home in a Historical area that only needed some sweat, a little TLC, and 400&#039; of fence. I am still miffed that the bozos who were in way over their heads still get to keep their monstrosities on our collective dime. I don&#039;t like Welfare in any of its forms, for corporations, for the shiftless or lazy, or for the terminally stupid. The do-gooders have eliminated the cause-and-effect lesson that ought to be learned by everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Luckily I am also able to make my monthly mortgage payment so am not able to participate in the government home refinancing progrm.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, me, too. If I had gone in way over my head purchasing one of those  unsightly McMansions, I would more than likely be eligible. But no, I chose to be a responsible adult and purchase a lovely home in a Historical area that only needed some sweat, a little TLC, and 400&#8242; of fence. I am still miffed that the bozos who were in way over their heads still get to keep their monstrosities on our collective dime. I don&#8217;t like Welfare in any of its forms, for corporations, for the shiftless or lazy, or for the terminally stupid. The do-gooders have eliminated the cause-and-effect lesson that ought to be learned by everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: candymarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>candymarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is spamming anything like spanking? (See Monty Python and The Holy Grail)

Okay maybe I went too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is spamming anything like spanking? (See Monty Python and The Holy Grail)</p>
<p>Okay maybe I went too far.</p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250227</link>
		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say lets heed his call only call 10 people and talk against the Death Care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say lets heed his call only call 10 people and talk against the Death Care.</p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250224</link>
		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little did we know. We, yes you and I are gonna be rich, rich i say! Because Obama declares us....

&lt;strong&gt;“THE HEIRS OF, YES: BIN LADEN “&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The striking thing to remember is that this descriptor was not posted on DU or Kos or Firedoglake or some of the other fringe sites. 

This was posted on mybarackobama.com, Obama’s very own Organizing for America website.

These are classic Alinsky tactics that we are seeing played out before us over and over and over again.

The best, most imaginative writers in Hollywood would not be able to make this stuff up.

Screen shots of the information in question are below the fold, you know, just in case the pages go down the memory hole or something.

If you are an opponent to the current health care reform proposals under consideration, this is how some on the left view you:&lt;/blockquote&gt;



http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/31/the-heirs-of-yes-bin-laden/#more-27047</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little did we know. We, yes you and I are gonna be rich, rich i say! Because Obama declares us&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>“THE HEIRS OF, YES: BIN LADEN “</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>The striking thing to remember is that this descriptor was not posted on DU or Kos or Firedoglake or some of the other fringe sites. </p>
<p>This was posted on mybarackobama.com, Obama’s very own Organizing for America website.</p>
<p>These are classic Alinsky tactics that we are seeing played out before us over and over and over again.</p>
<p>The best, most imaginative writers in Hollywood would not be able to make this stuff up.</p>
<p>Screen shots of the information in question are below the fold, you know, just in case the pages go down the memory hole or something.</p>
<p>If you are an opponent to the current health care reform proposals under consideration, this is how some on the left view you:</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/31/the-heirs-of-yes-bin-laden/#more-27047" rel="nofollow">http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/31/the-heirs-of-yes-bin-laden/#more-27047</a></p>
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		<title>By: Linda Anselmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Anselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent suggestion hokma!

&lt;blockquote&gt;How about Cash for Congressmen Clunkers - trade in the tired old unreliable Representative for a new improved version that might actually represent you&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now that is one program I could really get behind that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent suggestion hokma!</p>
<blockquote><p>How about Cash for Congressmen Clunkers &#8211; trade in the tired old unreliable Representative for a new improved version that might actually represent you</p></blockquote>
<p>Now that is one program I could really get behind that!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250215</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want in on that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want in on that!</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen D</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250211</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am actually going to get a new dishwasher. Mine is on the brink, and I may as well get back a small percentage of what I’m putting into the system, eh?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m remodeling my kitchen - no contractor, just hubbie and me, so I was REALLY UNHAPPY to hear of this program.

Before the announcement, the appliances were really low. Now they are starting to rise in price in anticipation of the rebate. This isn&#039;t going to help us consumers at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am actually going to get a new dishwasher. Mine is on the brink, and I may as well get back a small percentage of what I’m putting into the system, eh?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m remodeling my kitchen &#8211; no contractor, just hubbie and me, so I was REALLY UNHAPPY to hear of this program.</p>
<p>Before the announcement, the appliances were really low. Now they are starting to rise in price in anticipation of the rebate. This isn&#8217;t going to help us consumers at all.</p>
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		<title>By: hokma</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250200</link>
		<dc:creator>hokma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Cash for Congressmen Clunkers -  trade in the tired old unreliable Representative for a new improved version that might actually represent you - or wait for the 2010 election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Cash for Congressmen Clunkers &#8211;  trade in the tired old unreliable Representative for a new improved version that might actually represent you &#8211; or wait for the 2010 election.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31385/success-breeds-more-clunkers-open-thread/#comment-1250187</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what they are doing--trying again to make it seem like they give a rats ass about the average American with the boutique &quot;show pony&quot; programs that we end up paying for anyway.

What a crock!  Are we that stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what they are doing&#8211;trying again to make it seem like they give a rats ass about the average American with the boutique &#8220;show pony&#8221; programs that we end up paying for anyway.</p>
<p>What a crock!  Are we that stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article in the American Thinker pulls no punches. It just seems right in so many ways. Speaking of President Obama: &lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not so much that he&#039;s a phony, knows nothing about economics, is historically illiterate, and woefully small minded for the size of the task-- all contributory of course.  It&#039;s that he&#039;s not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper. Moreover, he doesn&#039;t command our respect and is unable to appeal to our own common sense. His notions of right and wrong are repugnant and how things work just don&#039;t add up. They are not existential. His descriptions of the world we live in don&#039;t make sense and don&#039;t correspond with our experience. &lt;/blockquote&gt; http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/another_failed_presidency.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article in the American Thinker pulls no punches. It just seems right in so many ways. Speaking of President Obama:<br />
<blockquote>It&#8217;s not so much that he&#8217;s a phony, knows nothing about economics, is historically illiterate, and woefully small minded for the size of the task&#8211; all contributory of course.  It&#8217;s that he&#8217;s not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper. Moreover, he doesn&#8217;t command our respect and is unable to appeal to our own common sense. His notions of right and wrong are repugnant and how things work just don&#8217;t add up. They are not existential. His descriptions of the world we live in don&#8217;t make sense and don&#8217;t correspond with our experience. </p></blockquote>
<p> <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/another_failed_presidency.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/another_failed_presidency.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
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		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scarborough: Obama Admin Must Have Signed Off On Lockerbie Terrorist Release

&lt;blockquote&gt;If Joe Scarborough is right, this could be a game-changing blow to Barack Obama . . . 
On today&#039;s Morning Joe, Scarborough left no doubt that he believes the Obama administration acquiesced to the release by the British government of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, the convicted Lockerbie murderer and terrorist.
Scarborough was reacting to reports suggesting that, contrary to initial claims, the release was done at the behest of Gordon Brown&#039;s British government, and was not an independent move by Scotland
JOE SCARBOROUGH: I&#039;m talking about the British deal: oil for terrorists. And Chuck Todd earlier today said the White House needs to answer questions: what did the president know, when did he know it? Did the administration know about this deal? Did they go along with it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/scarborough-obama-admin-must-have-signed-off-on-lockerbie-terrorist-release</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarborough: Obama Admin Must Have Signed Off On Lockerbie Terrorist Release</p>
<blockquote><p>If Joe Scarborough is right, this could be a game-changing blow to Barack Obama . . .<br />
On today&#8217;s Morning Joe, Scarborough left no doubt that he believes the Obama administration acquiesced to the release by the British government of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, the convicted Lockerbie murderer and terrorist.<br />
Scarborough was reacting to reports suggesting that, contrary to initial claims, the release was done at the behest of Gordon Brown&#8217;s British government, and was not an independent move by Scotland<br />
JOE SCARBOROUGH: I&#8217;m talking about the British deal: oil for terrorists. And Chuck Todd earlier today said the White House needs to answer questions: what did the president know, when did he know it? Did the administration know about this deal? Did they go along with it?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/scarborough-obama-admin-must-have-signed-off-on-lockerbie-terrorist-release" rel="nofollow">http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/scarborough-obama-admin-must-have-signed-off-on-lockerbie-terrorist-release</a></p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
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		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mercury fallout from the Cash-for-Clunkers program. &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Automakers used mercury as a component for various auto systems until 2004. 
They stopped because mercury is toxic, and it gets into stuff that we eat (the actual level of risk is in fact not relevant for this discussion). 
People get very touchy about toxic elements being thrown out with the rest of the garbage, so there’s an industry designed around collecting the mercury at the end of a car’s life.  The big (only?) one of these is ELV Solutions. 
Here’s a list of the car companies that work with ELV Solutions.  Notice which car company isn’t on the list? 
That’s right: GM isn’t on the list.  They exited the program at the beginning of August. 
Autoblog Green calls the reason why “convoluted,” but it’s not.  There are now two GMs.  Good GM is the one with good assets and a chance of actually making money; Bad GM is the one with all the garbage assets, bad debts, and onerous obligations. 
Good GM does not make cars using mercury, and technically never has (its predecessor Old GM did, not it), so it sees no particular reason why it should fund mercury recovery. 
Bad GM… doesn’t make anything, or indeed do much of anything except sit there and slowly decompose; but Bad GM is the one that ELV Solutions needs to talk to about funding mercury recovery.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
more
http://www.redstate.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mercury fallout from the Cash-for-Clunkers program. </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Automakers used mercury as a component for various auto systems until 2004.<br />
They stopped because mercury is toxic, and it gets into stuff that we eat (the actual level of risk is in fact not relevant for this discussion).<br />
People get very touchy about toxic elements being thrown out with the rest of the garbage, so there’s an industry designed around collecting the mercury at the end of a car’s life.  The big (only?) one of these is ELV Solutions.<br />
Here’s a list of the car companies that work with ELV Solutions.  Notice which car company isn’t on the list?<br />
That’s right: GM isn’t on the list.  They exited the program at the beginning of August.<br />
Autoblog Green calls the reason why “convoluted,” but it’s not.  There are now two GMs.  Good GM is the one with good assets and a chance of actually making money; Bad GM is the one with all the garbage assets, bad debts, and onerous obligations.<br />
Good GM does not make cars using mercury, and technically never has (its predecessor Old GM did, not it), so it sees no particular reason why it should fund mercury recovery.<br />
Bad GM… doesn’t make anything, or indeed do much of anything except sit there and slowly decompose; but Bad GM is the one that ELV Solutions needs to talk to about funding mercury recovery.</p></blockquote>
<p>more<br />
<a href="http://www.redstate.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redstate.com/</a></p>
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