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		<title>By: Ana</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1251705</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure this has already been mentioned, but I was unable to scan through all of the comments to your article.  I am absolutely stunned that someone who penned &quot;Black Water&quot; as Joyce Carol Oates did would make these statements nearly 20 years later.  Oates&#039;s novella centers around Chappaquiddick and the importance and value of the victimized woman which is lost in the shadow of a careless man (&quot;The Senator&quot;) and his career.  Her work teaches us to remember and humanize the victim despite the &quot;spin&quot; of the one who lives to tell the story.  It seems she has become one of the people for whom &quot;Black Water&quot; was intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this has already been mentioned, but I was unable to scan through all of the comments to your article.  I am absolutely stunned that someone who penned &#8220;Black Water&#8221; as Joyce Carol Oates did would make these statements nearly 20 years later.  Oates&#8217;s novella centers around Chappaquiddick and the importance and value of the victimized woman which is lost in the shadow of a careless man (&#8220;The Senator&#8221;) and his career.  Her work teaches us to remember and humanize the victim despite the &#8220;spin&#8221; of the one who lives to tell the story.  It seems she has become one of the people for whom &#8220;Black Water&#8221; was intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1250441</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess a woman&#039;s life is expendable.  Horrifying.  But disgustingly, it does fit with all the misogyny we&#039;ve been seeing.  He could have saved her life.  What worse character could a person possible have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess a woman&#8217;s life is expendable.  Horrifying.  But disgustingly, it does fit with all the misogyny we&#8217;ve been seeing.  He could have saved her life.  What worse character could a person possible have?</p>
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		<title>By: connie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249864</link>
		<dc:creator>connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana, they even made a son about it later on. I can&#039;t remember the name, but the learics say, &quot;if her daddy&#039;s rich you take her for a meal, if her daddy is poor, you do what you feel.
 This seems to capture the essence of the Kennedy men.
I think the name of that song is saffron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana, they even made a son about it later on. I can&#8217;t remember the name, but the learics say, &#8220;if her daddy&#8217;s rich you take her for a meal, if her daddy is poor, you do what you feel.<br />
 This seems to capture the essence of the Kennedy men.<br />
I think the name of that song is saffron.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249827</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the timeline link above, you discover that as he was consulting his lawyers, while she was dying, he DID try to get them to lay the blame on her and claim SHE was driving the car.

They argued against it because they didn&#039;t know if she even knew how to drive (which wouldn&#039;t have been surprising at that time).  So the wheels were in motion early to make it seem to be her fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the timeline link above, you discover that as he was consulting his lawyers, while she was dying, he DID try to get them to lay the blame on her and claim SHE was driving the car.</p>
<p>They argued against it because they didn&#8217;t know if she even knew how to drive (which wouldn&#8217;t have been surprising at that time).  So the wheels were in motion early to make it seem to be her fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Wynne</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249826</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Wynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s truly horrifying is that Papa Joe decided to have his daughter lobotimized because he was afraid, because of what was perceived as a mental slowness, as she was growing more mature, he was afraid she would be sexually promisuous and hurt the family image and his political ambitions for his sons!  Also, he never told Rose that he was having this done to their daughter. Rose Kennedy was devastated when she found out.  Although she could look the other way with Joe Kennedy&#039;s rampant womanizing, she could never forgive Joe for doing this to Rosemary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s truly horrifying is that Papa Joe decided to have his daughter lobotimized because he was afraid, because of what was perceived as a mental slowness, as she was growing more mature, he was afraid she would be sexually promisuous and hurt the family image and his political ambitions for his sons!  Also, he never told Rose that he was having this done to their daughter. Rose Kennedy was devastated when she found out.  Although she could look the other way with Joe Kennedy&#8217;s rampant womanizing, she could never forgive Joe for doing this to Rosemary.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249822</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the timeline provided in the link above shows, he could have easily gone for help.  He lied about not being able to get to a place to call sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the timeline provided in the link above shows, he could have easily gone for help.  He lied about not being able to get to a place to call sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249814</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know if these women have ever written or commented on their feelings about the whole scandal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know if these women have ever written or commented on their feelings about the whole scandal.</p>
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		<title>By: Frikken's Lunch Box</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249810</link>
		<dc:creator>Frikken's Lunch Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am thinking you hit the nail on the head, Diana.  At that time, it would have been turned around to be entirely Mary Jo&#039;s fault and her reputation would have been tarnished.  She would have been made out to be the vixen that seduced poor Teddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thinking you hit the nail on the head, Diana.  At that time, it would have been turned around to be entirely Mary Jo&#8217;s fault and her reputation would have been tarnished.  She would have been made out to be the vixen that seduced poor Teddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Portia Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249800</link>
		<dc:creator>Portia Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s truly horrifying if true!</description>
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		<title>By: Portia Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249798</link>
		<dc:creator>Portia Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think you are over-reacting, Mountainaires. pm 317 has always been polite and respectful on this site, but even the most deathless courtesy is lost on some people. Anyone would lose patience when, after repeatedly having the main point explained to them, a poster continues to go off rail and then becomes offended when they&#039;re called on it. 
As was mentioned, if you don&#039;t like the tone of a discussion, you have the option to withdraw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think you are over-reacting, Mountainaires. pm 317 has always been polite and respectful on this site, but even the most deathless courtesy is lost on some people. Anyone would lose patience when, after repeatedly having the main point explained to them, a poster continues to go off rail and then becomes offended when they&#8217;re called on it.<br />
As was mentioned, if you don&#8217;t like the tone of a discussion, you have the option to withdraw.</p>
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		<title>By: Portia Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249796</link>
		<dc:creator>Portia Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the state of Massachusetts sets an automatic punishment of &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;no less than 20 days&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/em&gt;in jail for the crime of leaving the scene of an accident. If you were to add in driving with an expired license, driving under the influence of alcohol and driving with a record of violations (as noted in the state of Virginia where he lived while in the Senate), any normal person would&#039;ve been looking at serving serious time in a penal institution. But because it was a Kennedy and in Massachusetts, everything but leaving the scene was conveniently overlooked. Then, because he was who he was, the &quot;automatic 20 days&quot; was reduced to a suspension for 2 months.

So &lt;strong&gt;yes&lt;/strong&gt;, he cheated the system and &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt;, it isn&#039;t an exaggeration of fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the state of Massachusetts sets an automatic punishment of <em><strong>no less than 20 days</strong> </em>in jail for the crime of leaving the scene of an accident. If you were to add in driving with an expired license, driving under the influence of alcohol and driving with a record of violations (as noted in the state of Virginia where he lived while in the Senate), any normal person would&#8217;ve been looking at serving serious time in a penal institution. But because it was a Kennedy and in Massachusetts, everything but leaving the scene was conveniently overlooked. Then, because he was who he was, the &#8220;automatic 20 days&#8221; was reduced to a suspension for 2 months.</p>
<p>So <strong>yes</strong>, he cheated the system and <strong>no</strong>, it isn&#8217;t an exaggeration of fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Portia Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Portia Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an hour or so that&#039;s unaccounted for. That officer who was stone cold sober said he saw the car at 12:40am and even noted the license plate number which checked out later. The people at the party said they noticed it was ~11:15 when Teddy and Mary Jo left because the last ferry left at 11:30pm. I hate to tarnish her memory by saying so, but it doesn&#039;t take an hour to drive that distance if he could walk it in 15 minutes.

There are just so many telling moments. It gave me nightmares last night to think of her trapped in that car, gasping for air and waiting for a rescue that never came.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an hour or so that&#8217;s unaccounted for. That officer who was stone cold sober said he saw the car at 12:40am and even noted the license plate number which checked out later. The people at the party said they noticed it was ~11:15 when Teddy and Mary Jo left because the last ferry left at 11:30pm. I hate to tarnish her memory by saying so, but it doesn&#8217;t take an hour to drive that distance if he could walk it in 15 minutes.</p>
<p>There are just so many telling moments. It gave me nightmares last night to think of her trapped in that car, gasping for air and waiting for a rescue that never came.</p>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249792</link>
		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been a huge Kennedy fan.  Even JFK, as lauded as he is, had a lot of problems.  Although, I did think highly of Robert.

I felt a kind of kinship to JFK&#039;s kids, as I &quot;grew up&quot; with them.  But Caroline fell off the radar (only to emerge recently to humiliate herself), so I just followed John Jr. He seemed pretty decent.  In a lot of ways, he seemed like a &quot;regular person&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a huge Kennedy fan.  Even JFK, as lauded as he is, had a lot of problems.  Although, I did think highly of Robert.</p>
<p>I felt a kind of kinship to JFK&#8217;s kids, as I &#8220;grew up&#8221; with them.  But Caroline fell off the radar (only to emerge recently to humiliate herself), so I just followed John Jr. He seemed pretty decent.  In a lot of ways, he seemed like a &#8220;regular person&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31509/second-acts-and-redemption/#comment-1249790</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem with Ted is even if you forgave what he did to Mary Jo, or decided to give him a second chance. Ted 2nd through who knows how many other chances. How many others were paid to keep their mouths shut?

Everyone I&#039;ve seen post on this in his favor seem to forget about all the other that worked on the  legislation, it wasn&#039;t a one man act. Plus it sure is coincidental that each time something came out that could jeopardize him, one of these fabulous bills came from Teddy. That he was the only one that got credit for the work. Even if it had been in the works for years and Teddy just signed on at the end. 

The murder of a woman. Sex with underage girls? How many? The waitress sandwich. Getting his nephew off from rape when it was never proven he was even there or knew what was going on. Sex with lobbyist in public place while he was married. Etc. Women&#039;s groups with the same mentality we&#039;ve seen since his death ignoring all the above. These aren&#039;t groups protecting women&#039;s rights, these are Democrat groups. Or perhaps one of them would like to tell me just how many women are expendable? Where is the line drawn?

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1990, GQ magazine ran a devastating profile of Kennedy. Two 16-year-old girls near the Capitol startled by a limo rolling up, the door opening, Ted sitting in the back with a bottle of wine, asking one, then the other, to join. 

A former aide who acted as Ted&#039;s &quot;pimp.&quot; His penchant for dating women so young that one did not know he was the subject of many books. Kennedy, at a swank DC restaurant with his drinking buddy Chris Dodd, throwing a petite waitress on his dinner table with such force that glass and flatware shatters and goes flying. Then Ted throws her on to Dodd&#039;s lap and grinds against her. He is interrupted by other waitstaff. He is later caught in the same restaurant, in a semi-private area, having sex on the floor with a lobbyist.

In 1991, Kennedy&#039;s nephew William Kennedy Smith is charged with rape. Kennedy Smith had been out drinking with Ted and Ted&#039;s son Patrick at Au Bar in Palm Beach. Kennedy Smith is eventually acquitted, and it&#039;s never proved that Ted had any knowledge of what happened on the Kennedy grounds that night. He remarried, in 1992, and very publicly domesticated himself.

But the tawdriness -- the ostensible elder statesmen getting s - - t-faced and picking up women with his son and his nephew; the acquittal won, in part, by shredding the accuser on the stand and in the press; privilege winning out, always -- is in such stark contrast to Kennedy&#039;s politics that you have to wonder: Is this really what Kennedy thought of women?

Most feminists don&#039;t think Ted Kennedy was a misogynist. Upon news of his death, NOW, Emily&#039;s List and Planned Parenthood all released emotional, laudatory statements. It&#039;s true that Kennedy&#039;s legislative record deserves such a response. And he was quiet enough in the last 15 years of his life that it&#039;s not hard to minimize his past behavior if you want to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For full article from Washington Post:
http://tinyurl.com/l55wyb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem with Ted is even if you forgave what he did to Mary Jo, or decided to give him a second chance. Ted 2nd through who knows how many other chances. How many others were paid to keep their mouths shut?</p>
<p>Everyone I&#8217;ve seen post on this in his favor seem to forget about all the other that worked on the  legislation, it wasn&#8217;t a one man act. Plus it sure is coincidental that each time something came out that could jeopardize him, one of these fabulous bills came from Teddy. That he was the only one that got credit for the work. Even if it had been in the works for years and Teddy just signed on at the end. </p>
<p>The murder of a woman. Sex with underage girls? How many? The waitress sandwich. Getting his nephew off from rape when it was never proven he was even there or knew what was going on. Sex with lobbyist in public place while he was married. Etc. Women&#8217;s groups with the same mentality we&#8217;ve seen since his death ignoring all the above. These aren&#8217;t groups protecting women&#8217;s rights, these are Democrat groups. Or perhaps one of them would like to tell me just how many women are expendable? Where is the line drawn?</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1990, GQ magazine ran a devastating profile of Kennedy. Two 16-year-old girls near the Capitol startled by a limo rolling up, the door opening, Ted sitting in the back with a bottle of wine, asking one, then the other, to join. </p>
<p>A former aide who acted as Ted&#8217;s &#8220;pimp.&#8221; His penchant for dating women so young that one did not know he was the subject of many books. Kennedy, at a swank DC restaurant with his drinking buddy Chris Dodd, throwing a petite waitress on his dinner table with such force that glass and flatware shatters and goes flying. Then Ted throws her on to Dodd&#8217;s lap and grinds against her. He is interrupted by other waitstaff. He is later caught in the same restaurant, in a semi-private area, having sex on the floor with a lobbyist.</p>
<p>In 1991, Kennedy&#8217;s nephew William Kennedy Smith is charged with rape. Kennedy Smith had been out drinking with Ted and Ted&#8217;s son Patrick at Au Bar in Palm Beach. Kennedy Smith is eventually acquitted, and it&#8217;s never proved that Ted had any knowledge of what happened on the Kennedy grounds that night. He remarried, in 1992, and very publicly domesticated himself.</p>
<p>But the tawdriness &#8212; the ostensible elder statesmen getting s &#8211; - t-faced and picking up women with his son and his nephew; the acquittal won, in part, by shredding the accuser on the stand and in the press; privilege winning out, always &#8212; is in such stark contrast to Kennedy&#8217;s politics that you have to wonder: Is this really what Kennedy thought of women?</p>
<p>Most feminists don&#8217;t think Ted Kennedy was a misogynist. Upon news of his death, NOW, Emily&#8217;s List and Planned Parenthood all released emotional, laudatory statements. It&#8217;s true that Kennedy&#8217;s legislative record deserves such a response. And he was quiet enough in the last 15 years of his life that it&#8217;s not hard to minimize his past behavior if you want to.</p></blockquote>
<p>For full article from Washington Post:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/l55wyb" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/l55wyb</a></p>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you keep watching, when Vicki walks back to the other side of the aisle after the hugging, MO&#039;s hand is on the pew, and Vicki puts her hand on MO&#039;s as she walks by.  MO looks grateful.  Yuk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you keep watching, when Vicki walks back to the other side of the aisle after the hugging, MO&#8217;s hand is on the pew, and Vicki puts her hand on MO&#8217;s as she walks by.  MO looks grateful.  Yuk.</p>
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