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More on the CIA Scapegoat Hunt

The churning in the media and blogosphere about the CIA’s dastardly deeds is largely smokescreen. The Blackwater stuff, particularly the allegation that they were hired assassins to kill Al Qaeda (which, if it were true, would not be a bad thing) is a red herring. Blackwater is a convenient villain and they certainly made money out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but when the truth comes out it will be evident that they were not hired assassins. Guarding a CIA installation or running a security detail for a dignitary is one thing (which they did).

The key point I think is that the CIA Inspector General’s report (John Helgerson) has been available to members of the intelligence committees on the Hill for at least 4 years, maybe five. The 2009 “discovery” that there was gambling in the casino strikes me as very self-serving, especially for members of Congress. The Democrats have now been in control of the Congress since 2006, so let’s start the clock at 2006 and ask why Congress has refused to press the Executive branch on these matters?

There were two types of abuses–1) abuses carried out with the permission/approval of Tenet and the DDO and 2) abuses carried out in the field with no clear guidance that were subsequently punished. Helgerson’s report makes it pretty clear that there were folks in position of responsibility who did try to blow the whistle and were appalled by some of the activities. I can understand why Bush and his Administration blocked the investigations and exposure of misdeeds but that still does not explain why the Democratic controlled Congress sat on its hands for three years.

Which brings me back to Pelosi. Feigned outrage about being “lied” to when she was too lazy to even ask questions and require answers earns her no sympathy in my book. And what about Rockefeller and Harmon? They knew and did nothing to press the issue.

I’m not arguing that we should ignore wrong doing by CIA officers. There is no excuse for such behavior. But most of the egregious behavior appears to have been carried out by contractors (non-blackwater) who had prior experience with military SERE training rather than career CIA officers. The CIA officers that should be under the magnifying glass–Tenet, McLaughlin, Pavitt, Black, Crumpton, etc.–don’t appear to be facing much heat. What bothers me is that Helgerson did his job and fulfilled the purpose of the IG but, when it came time for accountability, the system on both the Executive and Congressional branches of government brokedown and they did nothing with John’s info. Helgerson is one of the heroes of this sordid tale. It now appears that the scapegoat hunt is going after lower level functionaries rather than hold accountable those responsible for setting up and approving the violations that occurred.

  • HARP

    Spot on Larry. I never fell for this crap. No one is going to be charged. They will huff and puff to keep the loony left happy, all the while pushing Hr3200 down our throats. Don`t fall for it folks.

  • olivia1998

    Spot on guys. I read story about a person at a Tea Party got an eblow in the face. It’s the 2008 caucus all over again, women and seniors push around. The bully;’s think we won’t come and stick up for ourselves if they scare us.
    I SAY “PUT YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES ON AND GET IT DONE “

  • Diana L. C.

    I did “start the clock” in 2006. I kept waiting for Congress to begin giving some push back to the Bush/Cheney administration about the situation in Iraq. I was totally confused that there seemed to be no change in Congress’s relationship with Bush after Dems took control.

    I truly believe that Pelosi and Reid were so concerned about political machinations in reagard to the then upcoming 2008 elections that they totally ignored their JOBS for two years. They were supposed to be serving as a check and balance then, and they did not. And now they’re just pretending to do their jobs to cover their fat asses.

    I agree with HARP. I hold out no hope that the guilty at the top will be held accountable. Only the ones far down the chain of command with have to pay. Pelosi will get to feel she did what she was supposed to do. It’s frustrating and depressing to me.

  • VinceP

    It is within Constitutional parameters that war-fighting be “outsourced” so to speak:

    Article I Section 8
    The Congress shall have Power To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water

  • TeakWoodKite

    Then why is it that the Executive branch is the one to do so?

    In it’s original context”

    “Marque and Reprisal”

    A commission by which the head of a government authorizes a private ship to capture enemy vessels.

    The authority to do such capturing is granted to private vessels in letters of marque and reprisal. In the technical sense, a letter of marque is permission to cross over the frontier into another country’s territory in order to take a ship; a letter of reprisal authorizes taking the captured vessel to the home port of the capturer.

    The U.S. Constitution provides that no state can grant letters of marque and reprisal. The federal government is not limited in this right by the Constitution; however, modern custom and treaties prevent it from granting the letters.”

  • TeakWoodKite

    Mr. Johnson?

    “Blackwater is a convenient villain”

    They have blood on their hands.

    Was it “convenient” for a certian crew that Blackwater sent out to Fallujah.
    Screw the money they made what about the Marines?

    The US Marines suffered 40 deaths in the siege

    .

  • Retired

    Politics, it is a puzzling game. Even more so when the football is intelligence. Will “the truth make us free?” Perhaps, if we ever find the truth to begin with.

  • mark connette

    when and if anyone is charged with so-called “torture” that person will be found not guilty. and the liberal witch hunt will cost democrats dearly in 2010.Bet on it!!!!!

  • glennmcgahee

    The 2006 Congress was worried about the 2008 elections, now its concentrating on 2010, then it will be 2012. Thats our gov’t folks! Its a circle of fundraising and ass kissing. Nothing gets done for you and me. The only beneficiaries are the companies that are able to donate 100′s of thousands of dollars for this merry go round.

  • tzada

    William Tate from the American Thinker write

    Are Pelosi’s lies impeachable?
    Nancy Pelosi is a liar.

    And not just the typical, sniveling, inside-the-Beltway-talking-head prevaricator, either.

    Nancy Pelosi is a wide-eyed, stare-you-in-the-face, What-planet-are-you-from? liar.

    Proof is provided in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal. Rather than just regurgitating Democrat talking points – -Why is it I always have the feeling that Rahm Emmanuel is barking questions into Chris Matthews IFB? — about recently released documents on the CIA’s use of enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs), the WSJ actually read the reports.

    Their conclusion?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/are_pelosis_lies_impeachable.html

  • tzada

    Why did the MSM go after John McCain and not the tuna fish queen?

    McCain Denies Giving O.K. to a CIA Torture Tactic

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090831/us_time/08599191952300

  • hokma

    Did we ever investigate the abuses by American troops and intelligence during World War II or, other than Lt. Calley, committed by military or intelligence during the Vietnam War or the Korean War?

    While there were abuses committed by some, what is being categorized as abuses now is dangerous since we are still engaged in a war (whether left wing Democrats like Obama want to recognize it or not).

    What is extremely dangerous is the wide net for potential prosecution being cast by Obama and Holder that can have a devastating effect on our intelligence gathering ability in general – and, again, we are still at war with radical muslim factions. Now Obama has prisoner of war being read their Miranda rights. Where in the Geneva Convention is Miranda Rights even mentioned? This is dangerous political lunacy and more proof that Obama is incompetent as a CiC.

  • Sassy

    Many seem to KNOW what happened during these interrogations. I readily admit that I don’t.
    While I would never condone agents acting like barbarians, I also will not condemn an entire agency.
    Holder and Obama are on the verge of repeating the political attack against Agent Plame, in my opinion.
    Given an either/or choice about who is credible, I will stand with career agents, and I believe most Americans will also.

  • Patience

    Good article Larry. The timing of this CIA probe justifies skepticism about the motives for it.

  • Onofe’s arm

    Scapegoating has two main purposes, and it was put to good use by the Nazi’s in 30′s Germany. 1.) It serves as a good rallying cause against a perceived, yet fictional, common threat. And 2.) It serves to divert attention from much greater threats that are being crafted by the scapegoatER.

    If you were to ask an average German in 1950 “Who was a greater threat, the Jews or the Nazis?”, I think there is little doubt what the answer would have been.

    If Holder were SO concerned about justice, and prosecuting bad guys, why did he pardon Mark Rich and domestic terrorists in 2000, and why did he drop the charges on the New Black Panther thugs that violated voter rights in Philidelphia?

    This administration has zero concern for true justice, they are far more occupied with the siezure and consolidation of unprecedented power, and the complete transformation of this country into a fascist dictatorship.

  • Onofe’s arm

    Correction: Writing that “(scapegoating) was put to GOOD use…” is a bit of an oxymoron. It should read “…was put to EVIL use by the Nazis..”. Apologies, I hope nobody was offended.

  • Doc99

    Why we fight. Of course this isn’t torture. Blowing cigar smoke in some killer’s face is torture. Yikes … The one who should be investigated is Holder.

  • tzada

    Maybe the United States Justice Foundation will help us. Got this in an email today from World Net Daily

    The possiblity of Constitutional Congress has been on my mind. So was glad to see that a legal group was getting prepared for the possiblity.

    They have the ACLU we need lawyers too maybe the The United States Justice Foundation can be the one. It appears the usual suspects may try and rewrite the Constitution. We all know what will happen if they succeed.

    The email in part:

    BARACK OBAMA AND HIS ALLIES ARE TRYING
    TO CHANGE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION

    The United States Justice Foundation is launching a major campaign to STOP a “Con Con” from taking place — WE MUST CREATE a tremendous outpouring of publicity and public scrutiny to be given to this danger, so that Barack Obama and his radical liberal allies can’t “sneak this past us” without anyone noticing, until it’s too late. Right now, our staff is conducting legal and historical research, and preparing legal opinions, to submit to every state legislature, if necessary, and we’ll be offering to represent any state, or state legislator, in fighting the Con-Con based on those documents.

    We’re also going to be leading a grassroots effort to attack this issue at both the state and federal levels: At the state level, leading the charge in every state to either NOT VOTE for a “Con Con” (if they haven’t voted yet) or to RESCIND their past vote in favor (if they have). And, at the federal level, we’ll be mobilizing citizens across the country to contact their Representatives and Senators to DEMAND that they come out, NOW, and announce their support for a state’s right to rescind, and that they won’t support a call for a “Con-Con.” In addition, we’ll be calling on the Attorney General of the United States, and the Attorney General of each and every State that has passed a “Con-Con” resolution, to issue an official Opinion on the legality of rescission.

    THIS DANGER IS REAL. The Constitutional Convention of 1787 was called for the exclusive purpose of amending the Articles of Confederation. Once the Founding Fathers assembled in Philadelphia, however, they threw out the Articles of Confederation and wrote an entirely new Constitution, and even changed the ratification procedure so they could get it adopted more easily. The 1787 Convention is the only precedent we have for a national Constitutional Convention.

    There’s no guarantee that all of the changes to our Constitution passed at a Constitutional Convention would need to be ratified by 34 states this time — if a “Con Con” can change our structure of government as defined in Articles I, II, and III, of the Constitution, then it can also change the Article V requirement that three-fourths of the states are needed to ratify any changes. The Convention of 1787 reduced the number of states required to ratify a change from 100% of the states to 75%, and a Convention today could “follow their example” and reduce it further, to 66%, or 60%, or even 51%!
    President Barack Obama has already expressed his belief that the U.S. Constitution needs to be interpreted in the context of current affairs and events. Can you imagine what he and his supporters would DO to that document if given the chance to re-write it completely? Our Bill of Rights could disappear overnight!

    In fact, all the way back in 2006, Obama already had his lawyers researching how someone could get around the eligibility requirements to serve as U.S. President — these people simply don’t CARE about whether we preserve the supreme law of the land!

    http://usjf.net/ Home page of United States Justice Foundation
    http://www.wnd.com/ World Net Daily

  • Seattle Moss

    This administration has zero concern for true justice, they are far more occupied with the siezure and consolidation of unprecedented power, and the complete transformation of this country into a fascist dictatorship.

    Except that the American people are on to them and will not allow them to go forward..

  • Onofe’s arm

    I have reasonable doubts about that Moss. History has shown over and over that a violent and committed minority can overwhelm a peaceful majority, because the peaceful majority is hobbled by their adherance to the law and concilliation, while organizations like the new black panthers, Acorn, and SEIU operate on the often brutal philosophy that the ends justify the means. Unless the true patriots, and lovers of the constitution, are willing to get in the mud with our foes and gouge their eyes and bite their fingers off, the fight may already be over.

  • Seattle Moss

    The silent majority is silent no more!

    Thankfully we have mid term elections.

    I see the rats losing 100 plus seats

  • Onofe’s arm

    Sometimes I use hyperbole and exageration to drive home a point. However, with regard to the direction that the Obama administration is taking this country, I don’t think I can stress enough, or exagerate enough, the potential for dissaster that is on the horizon. It is probably worse than I can describe without sounding like a loon.

  • Jack

    They will huff and puff to keep the loony left happy,

    Yes. And the scheduled “Gettin’ the CIA” theme has a thematic recurrence after bad poll news and such for Obama. Lefty blogs starting to quack there might be something to the “death panels” after all—distract with CIA news! Invoke Cheney! Visions of Sarah Palin!

    If anything, Obama is quick on the counter-spin. I first saw this when Rezko counterdicted Obama’s story about no house visit.

  • Onofe’s arm

    Mark, I hesitate to ask, but the curiosity is overwhelming. Where’s the linkage to Hillary for this thread? At least be consistant man!

  • CentralMass

    from Salon:
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/12/holder/
    The Holder trial balloon: Abu Ghraib redux

    “But just as was true for the Abu Ghraib abuses, many of the worst instances of detainee abuse cannot be extricated from — but rather are directly attributable to — the torture policies authorized at the highest levels of the government. To target low-level interrogators while shielding high-level policy makers would further bolster America’s two-tiered system of justice, in which ordinary Americans are subjected to merciless punishment while the most powerful elites are vested with virtual immunity from the consequences of their lawbreaking. As Hilzoy put it:

    I’d give up all hope of any prosecutions of CIA officials for prosecution of the people who set policy — people like Cheney and Addington. They created the Bush administration’s interrogation policy. They decided to set aside law, morality, and basic humanity. They should bear the consequences.

    Prosecuting only obscure “rogue” interrogators while immunizing powerful, high-level officials would not be an act of courage but of cowardice. It would not strengthen the rule of law but would pervert it further. And rather than deter future lawbreaking, it would signal — yet again — that our most powerful political officials are free to break the law with impunity. If Holder is too frightened to include the parties truly responsible for America’s torture regime in the scope of the investigation he orders, then he ought simply to appoint a strong and independent prosecutor with the mandate to investigate anyone and everyone who might have broken our nation’s torture laws, and leave it to the prosecutor to make all decisions without interference (and if a well-regarded prosecutor decided based on standard factors of prosecutorial discretion, rather than as a matter of pre-ordained DOJ “fairness” policy, that the DOJ memos made prosecution too difficult as a practical matter, then so be it). But whatever else is true, the tactics authorized by George Bush and Dick Cheney were patently criminal regardless of how many memos they directed John Yoo to write.”

  • CentralMass

    So in layman terms. The executive branch is above the law. They can do want ever they want as long the have a lawyer or to to draft some legalize into cover their @$$es along with the knowledge the DOJ doesn’t have the balls to investigate them.

    In this case it was legalizing torture. So some poor bastard doing his job is going to get hung out to dry, the right wingers will say, there was no torture, they were just blowing smoke in their faces.

    Just don’t get caught lying about a blowjob, unless you are republican. Actually, if you want to get some head, sell some weapons to a terrorist state, take a pair of rusty pliers to someones nuts, and no one will ever question the blow job, or anything else for that Clinton just didn’t have the rigt lawyers.

  • Retired

    Actually, Pelosi has even said that she was to busy trying to win back the House in 2006 and the Presidency in 2008 to question alleged CIA lying.

  • Retired

    Even though it is 150 some pages (with many redactions), I would recomend that everyone read the IG report and become educated on what it actually says. It will give you a far different view of the CIA than what is being portrayed by the talking heads on television. People out on the pointy edge of the spear make mistakes, and many are laid bare in this report. Also exposed is how troubled many Agency people were by the moral questions that DoJ approved interrogation techniques posed, and how quickly excesses were reported and the perpetrators were sent home. It’s a great deal to absorb and not a pretty sight. Nevertheless, if one is to be informed about what really happened out there, the IG report is a good place to start.

  • Beez_Waxing

    Somehow I just can’t get real worked up about the uh …”war crimes” of Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and for that matter, anyone in the CIA or DOD. Sorry, not gonna happen. A couple of frickin’ privates entertaining themselves by sexually degrading some prisoners. It’s sick; it’s sad, and unbelieveably childish. How do lefties continue to believe that this puerile plot was hatched by the evil genius, Dick Cheney? KSM was waterboarded ONLY a 183 times? Well dayum, what a pity! Sorry, but I’m just not gonna get all wee weed up about it. Far as I’m concerned, we should pin a medal on everyone except the Abu Ghraib privates, and call it a day. *yawn* And tell Steadman, or … baldy or whatever that dumbass’s name is to shit-can his investigation. BTW, We are gonna need some Democrats to help us put Pelosi on trial in ’10 for lying to Congress and the American people. Anyone wanna get in on the ground floor? heh heh heh :-D

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