Comments on: A Tale Of Two Fires http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: CalifGirlInMaine http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1251504 CalifGirlInMaine Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:26:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1251504 Thanks RRRAmy, she did have a home to return to. I didn't hear of any homes being destroyed in the Oak Glen/Yucaipa fires, they were very fortunate there. She's back home as of Thurs. (could have been Wed. but for other circumstances), and her husband is home for the weekend from the Army, last visit before his deployment (a bigger worry to me than wildfire). She's very happy right now! Thanks RRRAmy, she did have a home to return to. I didn’t hear of any homes being destroyed in the Oak Glen/Yucaipa fires, they were very fortunate there. She’s back home as of Thurs. (could have been Wed. but for other circumstances), and her husband is home for the weekend from the Army, last visit before his deployment (a bigger worry to me than wildfire). She’s very happy right now!

]]> By: albrunomd http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1251291 albrunomd Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:00:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1251291 Oh good, that’s always progress, poor people that have to endure such a tragedy; our prayers to the Lord are with you. Keep strong… Oh good, that’s always progress, poor people that have to endure such a tragedy; our prayers to the Lord are with you. Keep strong…

]]> By: Ellen D http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1251047 Ellen D Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:06:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1251047 I luv it! I luv it!

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1251007 Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:23:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1251007 Thanks, CaGirlinME! It really is remarkable, isn't it? SO glad your daughter and her babies got out safely. I do hope she still has a house to which she can return, though...(Yes, just things, to be sure, but wow, what a loss that would be to the heart...) Thank you for the additional info. That makes a lot of sense if they hadn't had a fire there in so long.. And you people up-thread, joking around abt what happens in LA? You are freakin' cracking me up!! Celebrities....Teehee!! Thanks, CaGirlinME! It really is remarkable, isn’t it?

SO glad your daughter and her babies got out safely. I do hope she still has a house to which she can return, though…(Yes, just things, to be sure, but wow, what a loss that would be to the heart…)

Thank you for the additional info. That makes a lot of sense if they hadn’t had a fire there in so long..

And you people up-thread, joking around abt what happens in LA? You are freakin’ cracking me up!! Celebrities….Teehee!!

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1251004 Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:17:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1251004 Sandi, thank you so much for sharing your story. I am thankful that you and your son were able to get out safely (though sorry abt his apt!). And yes, it is amazing how quickly nature can reclaim the earth. But good point abt the mudslides y'all have out there, too. Wow... Sandi, thank you so much for sharing your story. I am thankful that you and your son were able to get out safely (though sorry abt his apt!).

And yes, it is amazing how quickly nature can reclaim the earth. But good point abt the mudslides y’all have out there, too. Wow…

]]> By: sandi78 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250967 sandi78 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:06:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250967 Several posters have talked about the necessity for controlled burns and that residents need to clear brush. Most, but not all, residents do clear a defensible space around their homes, approx 100 feet. But this fire is in a National Forest which residents are not responsible for clearing and neither is the State of California. Here is a link to an article from the San Diego Union-Tribune which describes some of the difficulties regarding forest management. http://preview.tinyurl.com/mwpzl5 Several posters have talked about the necessity for controlled burns and that residents need to clear brush. Most, but not all, residents do clear a defensible space around their homes, approx 100 feet. But this fire is in a National Forest which residents are not responsible for clearing and neither is the State of California. Here is a link to an article from the San Diego Union-Tribune which describes some of the difficulties regarding forest management.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mwpzl5

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250909 NomNomNom Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:53:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250909 many Australian plants require fire for germination; in CA it's probably Pinus aristata/ bristlecone pine or perhaps Ceanothus greggii/ desert ceanothus that you're thinking of. many Australian plants require fire for germination; in CA it’s probably Pinus aristata/ bristlecone pine or perhaps Ceanothus greggii/ desert ceanothus that you’re thinking of.

]]> By: sandi78 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250899 sandi78 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:16:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250899 ellen, Do you like Steve Martin's movie, LA Story? It's one of my favorites! ellen,

Do you like Steve Martin’s movie, LA Story? It’s one of my favorites!

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250853 Karma Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:43:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250853 Well to be fair, it is law in CA that residents are to clear brush near their homes and have a defensible space on their property. Some people are clearly ignoring their responsibility to their neighborhoods. But it isn't for lack of knowledge there are PSAs which state this in various media venues. Also to be fair, these aren't typical forest environments with undergrowth that people are refusing to clear because it is so pretty. The Los Angeles National Forest is a lot scrub brush on steep hills that is difficult and dangerous to clear. Note the pic and scrub brush behind it. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2022/2275824125_6183ac6d54.jpg Well to be fair, it is law in CA that residents are to clear brush near their homes and have a defensible space on their property.

Some people are clearly ignoring their responsibility to their neighborhoods. But it isn’t for lack of knowledge there are PSAs which state this in various media venues.

Also to be fair, these aren’t typical forest environments with undergrowth that people are refusing to clear because it is so pretty. The Los Angeles National Forest is a lot scrub brush on steep hills that is difficult and dangerous to clear.

Note the pic and scrub brush behind it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2022/2275824125_6183ac6d54.jpg

]]> By: CalifGirlInMaine http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250849 CalifGirlInMaine Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:37:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250849 A beautiful post! I never knew that about the fly-traps, I'm glad I know it now. I lived most of my life in Calif., and heard that there is some tree whose seed pods (or whatever they are) must be burned in order to germinate. Fire <strong>is</strong> cleansing to the land and some plant-life. It is, however, a terrifying and dangerous force at the same time. My daughter lives in Oak Glen and called me Sun. afternoon after she was evacuated. She got her pets and the important things she could (like her wedding photos, insurance papers, birth certificate). We agreed that if the house burned, the rest of it was just things. Even if treasured mementoes, they were things. Life is much more important, and she was safe and her animals were safe. Luckily the house did not burn, and early this morning the evacuation was finally lifted and she could go back home. BTW, the area of the Oak Glen fire had not burned in 85 years, which contributed to the ferocity of that fire. The firefighters and local ranchers and others who stayed behind to fight the fire did a tremendous job; as far as I've heard, only one structure had some damage, and no apple orchards were lost (critical to the economy). There was a second fire, closer to the city of Yucaipa, which started a day later. That area burned 20 years ago, but many many more homes were threatened by that fire. I believe it a good thing it was fueled by "only" 20 years' growth, instead of the 85 of the other fire, or I'm sure homes would have been lost. A beautiful post! I never knew that about the fly-traps, I’m glad I know it now.

I lived most of my life in Calif., and heard that there is some tree whose seed pods (or whatever they are) must be burned in order to germinate. Fire is cleansing to the land and some plant-life. It is, however, a terrifying and dangerous force at the same time. My daughter lives in Oak Glen and called me Sun. afternoon after she was evacuated. She got her pets and the important things she could (like her wedding photos, insurance papers, birth certificate). We agreed that if the house burned, the rest of it was just things. Even if treasured mementoes, they were things. Life is much more important, and she was safe and her animals were safe. Luckily the house did not burn, and early this morning the evacuation was finally lifted and she could go back home.

BTW, the area of the Oak Glen fire had not burned in 85 years, which contributed to the ferocity of that fire. The firefighters and local ranchers and others who stayed behind to fight the fire did a tremendous job; as far as I’ve heard, only one structure had some damage, and no apple orchards were lost (critical to the economy). There was a second fire, closer to the city of Yucaipa, which started a day later. That area burned 20 years ago, but many many more homes were threatened by that fire. I believe it a good thing it was fueled by “only” 20 years’ growth, instead of the 85 of the other fire, or I’m sure homes would have been lost.

]]> By: Ellen D http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250839 Ellen D Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:15:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250839 Hey, we also have flood, tidal waves, and I think I saw a small tornado once. Rip tides, dense fog, & drought. And Paris Hilton. I love L.A. (thanks, Randy Newman). Hey, we also have flood, tidal waves, and I think I saw a small tornado once. Rip tides, dense fog, & drought. And Paris Hilton.

I love L.A. (thanks, Randy Newman).

]]> By: Ellen D http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250835 Ellen D Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:05:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250835 oops. lions and tigers & bears - oh my! oops. lions and tigers & bears – oh my!

]]> By: Ellen D http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250834 Ellen D Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:03:38 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250834 Well, luckily there are no old growth forests in the Angeles National Forest but I am sitting here at work in Burbank with a monsoon-yellow glow outside my window from the smoke from the fires in the mountains behind me. On Monday when I went to work from the other end of the valley, the smoke plume was up about 15000 feet behind my office. The air was so unbreathable I tried to get management to have food sent in. It's getting better but the two concerns are: the Mt Wilson observatory and communications and TV towers, and the wildlife station that houses unwanted lions, tigers 7 bears, among other animals I know RRRA with her love of animals will be especially concerned about them. They don't have large moveable cages to transport them out. As is usual, all the horses have ended up at a community college at the other end of the valley. Even further away, opening your windows at night to bring in the cool air also brings in the smoke. For that reason we're hoping the 100 plus temperatures will subside. Thank God for the firefighters. Now you know why everyone attacked Schwartzenegger for going after the firefighter pension funds. Well, luckily there are no old growth forests in the Angeles National Forest but I am sitting here at work in Burbank with a monsoon-yellow glow outside my window from the smoke from the fires in the mountains behind me.
On Monday when I went to work from the other end of the valley, the smoke plume was up about 15000 feet behind my office. The air was so unbreathable I tried to get management to have food sent in.
It’s getting better but the two concerns are: the Mt Wilson observatory and communications and TV towers, and the wildlife station that houses unwanted lions, tigers 7 bears, among other animals I know RRRA with her love of animals will be especially concerned about them. They don’t have large moveable cages to transport them out.
As is usual, all the horses have ended up at a community college at the other end of the valley.
Even further away, opening your windows at night to bring in the cool air also brings in the smoke. For that reason we’re hoping the 100 plus temperatures will subside.
Thank God for the firefighters. Now you know why everyone attacked Schwartzenegger for going after the firefighter pension funds.

]]> By: ces http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250826 ces Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:42:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250826 Katmoon, no, I missed hearing about that, even though I had been on the west coast for about two years by that point. I have seen the plants (Hanford??) that were built on the side of hill; one of which had to be shut down permanently(?) due to the whole bloody thing literally falling down the hill. I'm for nuke power, but ya gotta do it right or else (speaking of disaster!!!). Katmoon, no, I missed hearing about that, even though I had been on the west coast for about two years by that point.

I have seen the plants (Hanford??) that were built on the side of hill; one of which had to be shut down permanently(?) due to the whole bloody thing literally falling down the hill. I’m for nuke power, but ya gotta do it right or else (speaking of disaster!!!).

]]> By: oowawa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/31628/a-tale-of-two-fires/#comment-1250821 oowawa Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:33:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=31628#comment-1250821 HaHa, hokma. You forgot smog. But the American cultural landscape would be much impoverished without LA & Southern Cal. For example, just think of the homeless detectives--Lieutenant Columbo, Lew Archer, Philip Marlowe, Hieronymous Bosch--and many others. Ah, California dreamin' . . . HaHa, hokma. You forgot smog.

But the American cultural landscape would be much impoverished without LA & Southern Cal. For example, just think of the homeless detectives–Lieutenant Columbo, Lew Archer, Philip Marlowe, Hieronymous Bosch–and many others. Ah, California dreamin’ . . .

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