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Progressive Bloggers Get a Depressingly Heavy Dose of Reality

By SusanUnPC on June 20, 2008 at 8:20 PM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Commander in Chief, FISA, Hillary Clinton, Hoodwinking

Obama to us:

“Nice little bloggers! Aren’t you cute! After you demanded accountability we gave you piggy lipstick and fig leaves and told you it was time to move on while we important Senators told you–in polite terms–to fuck off.”

– FireDogLake‘s Emptywheel aka Marcy Wheeler, who covered the Valerie Plame Wilson story and Scooter Libby trial. (Image: The ad that liberals plan to run in the WaPo.)

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The progressive bloggers have a bad, bad case of the blue blues today over Obama’s cave-in on the FISA vote.

You can’t say we didn’t warn them that he always does what is politically expedient and really doesn’t give a rat’s ass about “policy” stuff. You can’t say we didn’t tell them, over and over, that when true grit is required — when mettle and moxie are essential — that Hillary Clinton has, well … Larry Johnson once wrote that “Hillary has Balls.”

Remember when wonky Sen. Hillary Clinton showed up on the Senate floor and voted against Sen. Kyl’s resolution to condemn MoveOn — even though MoveOn worked hard against her nomination — but their new “pet rock” Barack ducked the hot-button issue by not voting?

Remember when wonky Hillary grilled General George Casey on his failure to know about critical troop equipment shortages and then voted against his appointment to be Chief of Staff for the Army, but that Barack voted for Casey?

Remember when wonky Hillary stood up and was counted on another hot-button vote on declaring Iraq’s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization — but Barack, who was IN the Senate building (you guessed it) ducked the vote?

You may not always agree with her, but at least Hillary Clinton sticks her neck out on key issues, and has the in-depth policy knowledge to back up her votes.

And who else, among the politicians you know, would vote to stand up for an organization like MoveOn at the same time it was rooting for her to lose? She voted against the condemnation of MoveOn because it was the right thing to do to protect free speech. Obama hid away rather than stand up and be counted.

Barack does not care about the policy issues. Does. Not. Care. He solely cares about winning.

Back in the blue blogosphere right about now, they’re all very low. Josh Marshall couldn’t even bring himself to write one sentence about Obama’s announcement that he was voting for FISA.

Grab your hankies.

Greg Sargent / TPM Election Central:

Why Obama’s Support For FISA Cave-In Is Such A Downer — Here’s what’s so dispiriting about it. One of the riveting things about Barack Obama’s candidacy is that since the outset of the campaign he’s seemed absolutely dead serious about changing the way foreign policy is discussed and argued about in this country.

(He has?)

Glenn Greenwald at Salon magazine:

Telling Americans that we have to give up basic constitutional rights — and allow rampant lawbreaking — if we want to save ourselves from “the grave threats we face” sounds awfully familiar. He says he will work to remove amnesty from the bill, but once that fails, will vote for the “compromise.” Obama has obviously calculated that sacrificing the rule of law and the Fourth Amendment is a worthwhile price to pay to bolster his standing a tiny bit in a couple of swing states. The full Obama statement is here …

“Calculated …”

Now there’s a verb applied to Obama with which I can agree.

Hey, folks.

It’s not too late to nominate wonky Hillary.

You may not love all of her votes, but at least she is deeply knowledgeable about the issues and cares about policy at a profound level.

Mr. Unity Pony is all about getting the title.

That’s why he’s now adorned his podium with this embarrassingly presumptuous faux presidential seal:

The NYT blog observed:

“Just above the eagle’s head are the words “Vero Possumus,” roughly translated “Yes we can.” Not exactly E Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One), the motto on the presidential seal and the dollar bill. Then again, Mr. Obama is not the president. “

Sen. Clinton has stuck her neck out — by voting against Gen. Casey’s confirmation, by voting against the attack-dog resolution against MoveOn.org, and by voting on the Iran resolution.

Sen. Obama tucked his head in — by voting for an unqualified general, and by failing to show up to vote to protect MoveOn.org or to take a stand on Iran.

Therefore, we award Sen. Obama the “Cowardly Lion” badge, and demand he wear it next to his on-again, off-again flag pin:

Well, okay. We’ll let him add “Vero Possumus” to the badge.

Listen: You’ll NEVER find the perfect “unity pony.” They only exist in fairy tales. Only in the Land of Oz are the characters either all good or all bad.

What you want to try to find is the candidate who truly cares about policy and who makes it a regular habit to intensely study each issue, so much so that she has become an expert on major issues from universal health care to the highly complex military structure. Okay, so her speeches don’t send a chill up your spine. But she does know what she’s doing. And that is really what you need.

Colin

Remember when Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war – the worst foreign policy debacle in generations.

catherine

I remember she had been the junior senator of a state had suffered the worst terrorist attack in US history only a year before when she voted.
And I remember the speech she gave regarding her vote.

Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein’s chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980′s, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, … Read all.

[[ SNIPPED FOR BREVITY BY ADMINISTRATOR ]]

Thomas

How do you think Obama would vote if two hijacked jetliners flew into the Sears Towers in Chicago and killed 3,000 citizens whom he represented?

catherine

Present?

http://citizens.johnmccain.com/ Colin

ROFL
Give Me Hill

LMAO!

(And just a note – as a Chicagoan, it’s tower. There’s only one.)

Teakwood

I think he said he “would stand with the Muslims if an ill wind blows”…

or something to that effect…depending on which edition of the book you are reading.

That is rather open and shut.

I am irrated that BO thinks he is doing this country a service by denigrating the religions of the world because he is not at ease with who he is. And that is a VERY dangerous thing.

We Will Remember in November!

Thanks for the link to Hill’s speech. Very good response. Thy name is leadership.

Ted

Is Clinton showing leadership on FISA? The piece above does not even sate what her current stance is or how she is expected to vote.

Karma

Sorta OT….

I remember the coverage Hillaty got when she first became a Senator. The media followed her everywhere, making sure she really took this seriously.

They had so many attempts at unflattering angles and lighting, it seemed like a daily event. They commented on the flat hair, less make-up, bags under her eyes, if she knew her stuff.

She was there with eyes fixed and taking it all in. Not some glassy-eyed idiot who didn’t care what was going on, and there for show.

But she really put in the hard work. They press finally laid off, but it seemed like months before they realized she took her job very seriously.

Compare that with the fluff interviews that barely pressed Obama on his votes and support of the war. They didn’t follow him everywhere. No up the nostrils, bad lighting, caught tired photos in committees.

I guess it was to be expected what they did to Hillary during the primary season, since they showed us the difference in treatment when they were the star Jr Senator from their states.

http://deleted AnninCa

Remember that absurd cleavage bit?

Gads…boyz can be so weird!

wcwf50

That was so ridiculous I could hardly believe I was seeing it.
Karma

That was an unexpected classic…it’s like they finally noticed she had cleavage after all those years of attacking her rear.

The Presidential candidate and Senator is talking policy and they are talking body parts and the kitchen sink…ugh.

http://deleted AnninCa

*spitting my coffee* lol*

BluDawg

Remember when Barack said he never wanted to bring the troops home?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Remember when Barack Obama said THESE things in 2004?

In July of `04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of `04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it. (“Meet the Press,” 2004, via MyDD, Nov. 11, 2007)

(from my story, “Obama Talks the Talk, But Where’s the Walk?.”

Teakwood

and that you left some wiggle room that

SusanUnPC…LOL even to the untrained eye, I think that was a “clue”!
Inhumancannonball

Well, back then Obama’s views on the war were tied to whether his friends Rezko and Alsamarrae could get all their contracting deals in Iraq. Once Alsamarrae fled Iraq with a couple of billion dollars in early 2006, Obama changed his tune.

karen for Clinton

Hey, Colin has an obamabot clone wannabe.

Remember all the times ob voted to raise taxes?

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=770

Hope Floats

Sorry, I was confused when I read his comment, but I apologize for mistaking him for someone else.

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html Hillary’sSimplytheBest

Give it a rest already, yes we know BHO gave a speech against the war, blah, blah, blah, blah. “I was against it, before I was for it, and then against it again” blah, blah, blah, Blah. At least HRC has the balls to stand up and vote on difficult issues, while BHO tucks tail and hides.

alibe4Hillary

Are we really sure that Obama even gave that mythical speech opposing the war? I seriously doubt that he actually did. It is not mentioned in any newspaper. It is just an urban myth like his qualifications for President. No way, Nobama!

Perry Logan

Obama’s 2002 anti-war speech is just lore. The only evidence he ever delivered the words he claims is from a staged production edited in David Axlerod’s studio. Remember this from Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun Times in 2007?

his October, 2002 anti-war speech made at an outdoor rally for a new ad that went on-line Thursday. There is no good audio tape of the Chicago rally that is playng a pivotal role in the Obama campaign.

“It was Barack re-reading a portion of the speech. As I told you, there is no original tape,” Obama’s chief strategist David Axelrod told me in an e-mail exchange.

http://tinyurl.com/6cqrsy

Ted

Right. And the text of his speech was not distributed to the media and quoted in the next day’s papers and on radio shows. Right.

And the whole holocaust thing is pretty sketchy. Could well be made up.

jack, too

I think you’re confused, Ted.

Again.

Gee, a victim of his own chaos.

Next thing you know, Ted the twit is going to start beleiving there is a unit in the Pentagon dedicated solely to murdering Americans, part of some loony to0n plan to “control world chaos and media” by propagating a planned “controlled chaos,” run by a SMOKING loon and his band of no talent cretins.

Foaming troll retard.

Do not take the deaths of 8 million Jews, and other innocents, in vain, please.
Inhumancannonball

Give me a break! NPR (on Morning Edition) ran a story on this earlier in the Spring. They did extensive investigation of all the people present at the rally that they could find and interviewed them. They culled through old radio and tv broadcasts and local and national newspapers.
What they found? Nobody present remembered him saying anything more than a sentence or two, and most people did not remember him at all. He was not on the roster of official or invited speakers (the rally organizers had invited specific speakers). Only one source documented that he had said “I am not a pacifist but I am opposed to stupid wars.”
NPR also reported–based on authoritative sources–that the audio tape of his “2002 speech” is in fact something produced in a studio with the use of sound effects. Go to NPR and listen to the story.

And by the way– your sense of moral equivalency is about as f-ed up as your savior’s. What they hell is wrong with you? Comparing the holocaust to someone criticizing Obama?!?!

Karen

Actually a reporter from the Chicago Tribune
was there and said that since Obama was barely known by anyone in Illinois at the time, he didn’t think it was worth mentioning and most of the very small crowd that was present were
talking and not paying any attention. After Jesse Jackson spoke most people left. The Obama camp later recreated the speech in a studio so he could use it in his campaign.

Inhumancannonball

From NPR’s story on March 25, 2008:

Even in this era of YouTube and camera phones, a recording of Obama’s speech is all but impossible to find. The Obama campaign has gone so far as to re-create portions of the speech for a television ad, with the candidate re-reading the text, with audience sound effects…..Juan Andrade Jr., president of the United States Hispanic Leadership Institute, was less impressed. Andrade says he has seen Obama give great speeches, most notably at the 2004 Democratic Convention, but the 2002 anti-war speech was not one of them….So, just how much attention did the speech attract?

Bill Glauber, who covered the rally for the Chicago Tribune, says he didn’t even quote Obama.

“I guess other media was there,” Glauber says, “but we didn’t quote Barack Obama at his famous anti-war speech. He was not the main guy.”

Glauber says that he did not even mention Obama in his newspaper article on the rally and instead focused on the rally’s other speaker, the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Hope Floats

Nobody voted for the Iraq war. Remember? Bush lied. The Senate voted for the UN inspectors to stay and search for WMD’s that falsified intelligence reports said existed. Chuck Hagel co-authored that bill, and he was the only Republican in the Senate who opposed the war from the beginning. God, you’re stupid, Colin. No wonder Obama bamboozled you. Get a life.
http://citizens.johnmccain.com/ Colin

Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&vote=00237&session=2

Hindsight is 20/20.

Hope Floats

The resolution “supported” and “encouraged” diplomatic efforts by President Bush to “strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq” and “obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.”

The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States “as he determines to be necessary and appropriate” in order to “defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.”
blueasthesky

Barack Obama, by peddling the lie that the vote for the Iraq War Resolution was a vote to go to war, has shown himself untrustworthy on national security matters. Anybody who has taken the time to read the text of the resolution, as well as the speeches made by various parties, will know that this is untrue.

Sick of the Obama Circus

No. 1: fuck the trolls

No. 2: is anyone else as completely offended by the desecration of a symbol of our country?
Forget the fact that the impudent little bastard co-opts symbols he has no right to even be in the same room with. This is desecration. His assanine little Orwellian circle over the heart of the American eagle? Damn it, Republicans this one should make your ears bleed with anger.
Anyone have a picture of the Obamabrat whipping his ass on the flag? Or would that be passably okay as well? JF Christ.

Sick of the Obama Circus

That should read “wipping”.
Give Me Hill

I too, am offended by BS’s (er, BO’s) new symbol. That is why I refer to him as the “presumptuous” nominee. While I would love to see Hillary receive the nomination and find out it was just a collective nightmare, I’m sure that the GOP is just waiting to unleash on BS (er, BO. Sorry – darn freudian slips!) until after the convention.

pw

They said last night on CNN,News Obama could get 6 months in jail,by copying the Presidential seal.If it makes the right people angry enough. Wouldn’t that be a blessing, that he would miss the election?Hillary would need to be the nominee for the Democrats. Now lets see who has the balls to put Obama in jail.lol

grlpatriot

As a Democrat, I’m disgust with his arrogance. I’m sure Republican’s ears are bleeding.

grlpatriot

disgusted (and tired)

athena

I am completely offended and more than concerned….
hats

Megalomaniacs believe they are entitled to desecrate and recreate to suit their purposes, whims, and fancies.

Wrong. So wrong.

Dave_Not_For_Obama

I finally get a good chuckle at the a-hole blog owner
of Americablog.com (John Aravosis).

John used to great great glee out of mocking Hillary at any chance he could get, he even encouraged and let his bloggers do the same, yet he yanked any pro-Hillary comments. He sung the praises of Obambi and how Obambi would vote against FISA, well surprise, lol.

Well guess what, he has FINALLY allowed some ANTI-Obambi posts on his blog, lol.

You can see them here:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/obama-supports-fisa-bill.html

KARMA BABY

Fredster

No thank you. I wouldn’t want to give John’s site any hits.

Besides this is Friday. I’m surprised he wasn’t “orchid blogging”, playing with his orchids or playing with something else.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Boy good think Obama wasn’t there. He would have ducked out from voting! Just like always! Yup. He woulda sat there in the men’s room with his Maxim magazine while the voting was going on and everybody else took a stand.
mahaska

Jerk finally votes on something and he comes down on the wrong side.
Who do the bots think they will be spying on? It will be you dummies.
Dakinikat

You have UNDER THE BUS DENIAL

You may wish to see this site for help:

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Anger could possibly be the next stage. Remember, we’re here to help you through this difficult time.

If you or any of your relatives have been experiencing UNDER THE BUS denial,
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here is a list of sites that can help you:

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Remember this may be NEW to you if you’ve been spending too much time on various other blogs like HuffPoop or Daily Kampf. We’re here to help you through your ordeal. Just look for the PUMA label. There is help!
Mary

I remember that John Kerry and Tom Daschle voted for it, too.
Obama’s gums look sick

No I DON”T remember when Hillary “voted for the war”. Stop making up sound bites and then going to the barricades supporting your fantasy world. All I remember is Obama voting to support the war every time he could and voting absent on anything else that really mattered. Your one-trick pony just got shot for being lame.
prabhata

I remember all those who now kick Hillary for her vote to give Bush the power to go to war, did not feel the same about Kerry who also voted for the resolution. I ask, why? I think it’s because Obama made it an issue, and even if it’s a phony issue, it comes from Precious, and that’s enough.
PAN230

Time to rip that page and unexamined meme out of the Obama playbook. You’re going to have to do better than that.
Steve

Meathead if you remember, Most Americans were for the war. Now so many are, whoa, those politicains?

Bad mistake. Idiot. Do you think Mr. Homobana would have voted no? He has voted for every time to fund the war. He is a controlled, blackmailed puppet, controlled by Soros money types and proped up bt the MSM.

HARP

I`d rather vote for Larry,Curly or Moe than this clown.

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/OctoberSurprise.html Factcheck2

It’s clear the Pelosi Cabal waited until it had Sen. Clinton muzzled and declawed before ramming through the FISA/War funding bills. Is there any doubt our candidate would have been screaming about this into the television cameras, just like she did when Wall Street speculators started driving up the price of oil?

As for the ACLU and its indignant representative on the Hill, Carolyn Frederickson, where the hell were they a couple weeks ago when the DNC was stealing a presidential election? God forbid anyone should bother about fair and free elections when Barack Obama needs another pillow.

It’s no wonder Pelosi feels free now to shed any pretense about where she gets her marching orders from. In this version of the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy gives up the shoes and the hourglass runs out without Scarecrow, the Tin Man, the Lion and Toto storming the castle to save her. (That would be us cowards specifically.)

I close my eyes and imagine the old, pre-Stepford Wife Sen. Clinton at the microphone quoting from the Paul Simon classic: “Fools, said I, you do not know, but silence like a cancer grows.”

And today on PBS Newshour: After hearing Texas Rep. Sheila Lee deriding the two House bills as tantamount to putting ”lipstick on a pig”, viewers were shown disturbing video in the next segment about the flood in Iowa. And as if on cue, there they were – rows and rows of pigs on a farm lying belly-up dead after drowning. Literally hundreds of them.

That would be us, too, I think, if Clinton’s name stays off the November ballot.

JM

Excellent post.
Mary

But of course. Pelosi knew Clinton wouldn’t give them this bill to cover their own asses in their complicity in giving Bush everything he wanted right after 9-11.

But Pelosi KNEW Obama would, because he OWED the very people who needed the bill to cover their complicity, including hers.

That’s the deal they made.

Obama paid his debt today.

prabhata

Oh no, he didn’t. Obama didn’t pay his debt. She owns his soul because all those delegates that supported him can be taken away with just a word of disapproval from Pelosi.

jwrjr

Don’t forget Shemp.

catherine

So true. Hillary is not perfect…no politician is but at least she’s far more knowledgeable, capable, passionate and committed to the American people and the issues. Her record and her story proves it over and over again.

Where as Obama’s entire political career has been self-serving Senator Clinton’s has been one of service to her constituents.

Thank you for posting this.
nickoury

bo is a totally complete fraud. His entire effort is a nightmare.

Zee

Indeed.

And, Susan, thanks for a great entry. It cheers me up to no end to watch the wake up to the nightmare THEY created:

“The progressive bloggers have a bad, bad case of the blue blues today on Obama’s cave-in on the FISA vote.

You can’t say we didn’t warn them that he always does what is politically expedient….”

Exactly.

And even Donna Brazile wrote that the Obama camp’s hate crime against the young Muslim women was wrong and “disgusting.”

ON YOUR HEAD, Donna.

http://www.liberalrapture.com/ John Smart

Obama pods are FINALLY seeing Obama for who he is. The most rancid politician in modern times.

catherine

I’m not so sure. The so called progressives like to believe they are better informed than the rest of us and look down their noses at anyone who does’nt think as they do. They do consider themselves elite…superior if you will. Where in history have we heard about fanatical thugs with delusions of superiority who blindly follow their leader and stomp on “inferior breeds” who stand in their way?

As the reality begins to sink in that THEY were the ones duped….with embarassing ease I might add…I don’t know if their arrogance allows them to accept that those whom they’ve treated with such contempt were on to the real Obama much sooner than they were.

Zee

Compare the Naderites. Some did feel contrition. Others….are the Obama voters of today. They’ll never learn.

C D Ward

The same people that fed you the “Nader-spoiler” meme in 2000 are feeding you the “Obama-change-unity” meme in 2008.

The same people who sued Nader off several states’ ballots in 2004 — how democratic of them, eh? — are the same people to whom a vote for Undecided or Clinton is counted, if at all, as a vote for Obama in 2008.

I’ll see your “they’ll never learn” and raise you a “none so blind as those who will not see”.

Nader/Gonzalez ’08 — votenader.org

grlpatriot

You have a point. I’d vote for Nadar if I could ensure that Obama is stopped. For me the only way to be certain is to vote against Obama by voting McCain.

llilytoo

Oh you are right! They will say they were never for him! LOL!

Amabo Kcarab

“This is not the Barack Obama I knew. I find his actions divisive and against what I have stood for in this campaign…”

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

And it’s only June! By October, he will have stuck it up all those swooning fools’ asses five more times.

Shainzona

I’m put off that the key visual is of two AA leaders whose rights were violated…surely there are others that could have been included….it just smacks of an attack on Hoyer from the racists who brought us Obama.

IMHO
Andy P

Its illegal for Obama to use the seal image. Check it out. He is unbelievably scary in his demagoguery. Yea…that’s right…if it tells the truth about Obama then its a racist comment. I know already, Obots!

fran

That seal reminds me of something out of the Third Reich–seriously. It’s creepy.

Hope Floats

“Vero Possumus” should read “Very Possomlike” and should have a rodent instead of an eagle. (I know possums are marsupials, but they look like rats.)

Pol C

Remember, Pumas eat possums.

Carolyn Mann

With relish.

DoroB

I was thinking the same thing! Possum definitely describes the Obama campaign…
The seal is ugly, by the way, just like that Obnoxious O.

DirOfTheObv

The Eagle is crooked

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

…so is the guy the eagle represents.

Give Me Hill

It’s like he wants to portray it as being on its last leg. Creepy.

http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

Yeah, when I first saw that “Vero Possumus,” I thought it possibly meant “asleep at the wheel.”

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

I think they need brown shirts to go along with it. It is seriously creepy.

pw

Yes so lets hope he gets six months in jail, and he can miss the election.lol.Wonder if Bush will do the right thing, and lay charges against Obama, for using the seal.

Maybe Bush figures, by keeping Obama in. Mccain has a better chance of winning the election.

We Will Remember in November!

I just don’t get it. What is Obama all about? Why is he so wildly popular among the so called “progressive blog?” I mean what has he done? Really, what has he done? For the maximum information voter (i.e., those who refuse to vote for Obama) we are beside ourselves with puzzlement and wonder. It defies logic and understanding that Obama is seen as such a great leader. What has he lead? He could have ostensively claimed public financing reform but well you are maximum informtion voters so I do not need to continue. What has he lead? A speech on Iraq, doing an anti war rally in a safe district that was not recorded just in case he might need to distance himself. Who by the way voted to fund that hideous war at least twice.

I just don’t get it. I guess too much information can be bewildering as well as a good thing.

Zee

It’s branding.

They are antiwar. He was branded as antiwar. He’s black, so voting for him is such a feel-good progressive act….if you don’t know the details.

They don’t have time to look into the details, and once the fauxgressive sites give them a talking point they just spew it back out without even thinking. Any talking point, no matter how clueless, is swallowed without question….and then regurgitated.

Take the MI and Fl issue. A friend of mine who is scary smart in his field spat out this utter nonsense: “all those votes were illegal, anyway.” How STUPID can you get? I tried to use logic and told him, if none of those votes were going to count, then why did the candidates all agree not to campaign there? What was to stop them from campaigning if for no other reason than the voters would remember them in the general election. They were told not to campaign there…or they would lose those delegates! So they were always going to seat those delegates eventually. And since Obama alone campaigned in both states (and took his name off the ballot in MI) he should’ve gotten NO delegates, let along Hillary’s delegates!

But my friend couldn’t let go of the BRANDING. He said “if that’s what you want to believe…” I told him it had nothing to do with “believing” it was the facts!

He’s a young brat, tho, so I got him in the end and asked, “Do you even vote?” lolol He moves around too much to register!
Ann MacNaughton

What accounts for the Obama Nation mass delusion? Not an idle question. If we could comprehend it, we more likely could stop the train from reaching its scheduled destination.

What motivates the handlers is easier for me to comprehend. Massive warchests (Soros, Chicago, Ansammerae, etc?) and greed, desire for more money, more power?

But what about the followers (that is, those still inside the bus)? What accounted for Jim Jones? Subliminals? Hypnotic (Michelle’s finger, BHO’s head)? 5-second “avg American” tv-watcher attention spans? Abandonment issues? Herd behavior? Powerlessness? Belief in magical solutions?

A trained and published mediation trainer, I’ve been trying to figure out why so many of my otherwise bright and insightful friends are on the Obama Nation train. One of them ~ who is NOT motivated by power or greed, but by the conviction that BHO represents ‘change’ ~ has agreed to sit down with me over a quiet cup of iced coffee and SPLAIN it to me.

If I get any new insights, I’ll be back.

llilytoo

Does it say anything to the Obamanuts that Sam Nunn, the Dem Dick Cheney is on BO’s short VP list? Wake up already
katmandu

Maybe people will wise up and stop giving him money. Oh, it’s already happening a bit — http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-has-worst.html McCain nearly tied him last month.
annagain

Forgive me, not to say I told you so to the Obama supporters — but I saw through this guy back in January — when I saw him standing there at a debate –

these were my initial observations…

1. hates to be criticized — it is his achilles’ heel.
2. aloof and distant.
3. you come to me, I never go to you.
4. lies whenever convenient, no problem doing so.
5. tilts his head to the side — examining you like you are a bug under a glass, i.e., judgmental.

and, last, best and most of all

6. his gross arrogance will be his undoing.

This was pretty much before he said anything.

Please explain to me why it takes so long to see the obvious. You just have to look at his actions in the State Senate amd then his Senate votes, or the lack thereof — he does everything for political expedience.

He would throw his mother under the bus. Oh, that’s right. He already has.

How could anyone be fooled by this man — the speeches may be pretty but there is no heart there.

I will take substance over style every time.

Hillary has plenty of substance and these last few months of campaigning, she developed a great style of her own as well.

Who did these boobs nominate again?

Remember that great sketch on SNL months ago with Amy Poehler as Hillary — just call the DNC and tell them “we’ve changed our minds”.

It’s only June, people, not too late to call your representatives and say, please nominate the lady who really knows how to govern and, whether you agree with her on everything or not, she never throws people under the bus, you know where she stands– she’ll be tough, smart and on the ball.

She actually wants to roll up her sleeves and get the job done — and she don’t give a sh*t about logos that look like the glorification of the new messiah.

Inhumancannonball

Problem is that now that Obama has taken over the Democratic Party and moved its headquarters to Chicago, he is stripping any delegate who does not support him of his or her right to vote.
Look for voter fraud on election day too. Obama hired as his political adviser a guy who was fined $750,000 by the federal government for resurrecting dead people in 2004 and getting them to vote if you know what I mean.

Susan1968

When I heard about Obama’s FISA vote I started to laugh.

I laughed even louder than I did when flipped on his campaign finance promise.

But I really laughed when Rachel Maddow had to report this toight and looked like she just sucked a lemon.

We KNEW Obama’s inevitable flip-flopping would go down. We NQ Hillary supporters that is — this isn’t our first rodeo.

I warned those HuffPo kids and extreme lefties that Obama would move toward the center if he won the primary.

Oh no. They refused to consider it. He was their progressive, liberal God.

And now they see his clay feet.

Muahahahahaha.

Hope Floats

And he moves to the center on the wrong issues: the 2005 Energy Bill, “socialized medicine” and “free markets” now.
Sick of the Obama Circus

I would like to send Rachel Maddow back in time and put her in the gulag. I think a little actual life experience might wipe the stupid off of her a little bit. (maybe not)
WildChild

BOBO is their progressive god. Liberals aren’t progressives. Progressives are fringe.

typical.white.person

Obama has flip-flopped on so many positions.

Someone needs to make a film clip of him saying one thing, and then buttress it to him saying the exact opposite.

This one comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU

Zee

Thanks! Good one. I’ve seen so many arguing that we MUST vote Obama for the sake of the troops.

Morons.

eurogirl70

Yon mean the same obama trolls who fail to recall that obama wants to keep mercenaries like blackwater on the ground? Hilary on the other hand has said that she would immediately remove them. It seems to me that most of these obama cult members do not understand what the real meaning of progressive is. They in fact seem to me that George Orwell’s 1984 is more applicable to the current state of things.

AJSHOPE

I think the Obama supporters may be getting scared now that Obama pretty much told Clinton supporters to “Get over it.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/20/obama-to-clinton-supporters-it-would-help-if-youd-just-get-over-it/

And Barak Obama continues to circle the drain… and the general election has even officially started yet. Wow!

missE

Love this part:

According to Rep. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., Obama then said, “However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I’m running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it.”

Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., a longtime Clinton supporter, did not like those last three words — “Get over it.” She found them dismissive, off-putting.

“Don’t use that terminology,” Watson told Obama.

One Southern Girl

WHOA, this guy is a real a-hole.
Hope Floats

I hope he overestimated the number of lay-down bitches in this country, for women’s sake and for the country’s sake.
DoroB

What an arrogant, irresponsible jerk…Blaming Hill’s campaign for the Muslim rumors when he has absolutely NO PROOF that Hillary’s campaign was involved. His behavior reflects his supporters’ thuggish, scorched-earth scare tactics and threats perfectly. Obama and the Obots belong with each other, and I want absolutely no part of it.
Hillary Clinton deserves an apology for all the hateful, vile things his supporters and Obama have used against her. She deserves an apology for the race-baiting. Does Obama really think we are too dumb to know that he doesn’t care about women’s issues? We are not voting for him because he has a D after his name. No way in hell.
NomNomNom

Obummer forgot the issue of voting.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Don’t use that terminology

What ELSE would a flaming sexist pig say? I’m telling you this man is POISON to women. POISON. THe kind that kills FAST.

fran

Wow. As someone said just above, his arrogance was off-putting from the start. This article about the meeting for “unity” exposes it yet again. We’ve seen it continuously through the primary and it is why he has alienated half the party. Even now, he doesn’t get it. “Get over it,” is his real attitude. How did this guy get a reputation for being such a great “uniter and healer?” Oh yea, because he said so.

He’s really bad at it.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

He’s really bad at EVERYTHING except rally speeches with a teleprompter. The jerk is a pig in the poke, folks. We already know he’s a hoax and a waste. Now all those swooners will just begin to find out. And in November they will all punt when the republicans hand him and them Barack Obama’s ass on a paper plate.

Zee

omg. You need to go to the original source and read the entire thing!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5215668&page=1

After saying he doesn’t have time to heal the wounds and the little ladies should just “get over it” he got really mad when told to watch his sexist language and WHINED that it’s really the CLINTONS and their followers who should be apologizing and making up to him!

He actually blames them for the “rumor” that he’s a “Muslim.” You know, it was probably his camp that started that rumor in order to have something simple to deny and to distract from OTHER facts such as his campaigning for his “cousin” Odinga, who wanted to install Islamic rule in Kenya, etc. Joe Scarborough used this tactic when he used to say people were accusing him of murdering his aide, when in fact we were simply writing that she WAS murdered in his office and he DID cover that up. No one suggested that he was the murderer…just that the murder should’ve been investigated, and he conspired with the police department and a disbarred medical examiner to lie to the media that the murder was death by “natural causes.”

The truth is always more complicated than a lie, so a lie is easier to deny.

Mr. X

WOW! Thanks for recommending the entire article. He’s still PO’d about things that the Drudge Report did. He’s completely delusional. He thinks Hillary had something to do with the Muslim thing.

This guy is his own worst enemy for propagating this image of being that petty. I think he’s the one who should get over it.

http://donedems.com iam0nly1

He really is a joke.

If only someone had told him not to use that terminology before. He has no respect for us.

Further, it’s not that John McCain isn’t aligned with us, it’s the the Democrat (in-name only) isn’t either. He just likes to give us the lip service. Like the cute frat boy who will say anything to get into your pants and then once he’s used you he leaves.

Not this time BO.

We Will Remember in November!

And another thing, that Obama has the so-called “progressive blog” “leaders” right where he wants them. After calling us, deadenders, sore losers and much worse for refusing to vote for Obama, how now are they going to walk away from the guy they enabled Dean and Donna and the gang to “hand” Obama the nomination. I know alot of them -Josh (for Iraq war before he was against it) Marshall and Daily (mistake removing name from MI ballot and bowing to RI and NH)KOS- have reversed themselves in the past but this reverse will definitely leave mark. OUCH!

Let the long walkback begin. Maybe we can line the so called “progressive blog leaders’” route to redemption and hand out bottle water, it is hot in August, No?

StrawberrybitesBarky

As far as I’m concerned those “progressive bloggers” can go fuck themselves. They chose party over country, and their own selfish interests over what is truly important. I will never read another one of their goddamned blogs. They rolled over to fear and threats instead of standing up for what’s right. And I will never forget the one true blog that stood against the hate and threats and bullshit. Larry and the crazy brave folks at No Quarter. You have my undying gratitude.

kat in your hat

Obama stands for everything and nothing at the same time and he changes his mind with the weather.

FISA Now?

“Shameless” from LondonAmerican
“who can believe a word this conman says after the nafta reversal, the multiple reversals on iraq and iran, the lies about the “rev” wright, the lies about his not running for president, his lies about lobbyist money, his lies about rezko, gun control and healthcare reform and his most recent lies today to the american people on campaign reform? on virtually everything he has campaigned or opened his inarticulate mouth this man has lied. he’s played anyone who would believe him for a fool. has anyone ever seen a politician so nakedly power-hungry and shameless?”
http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com/2008/06/shameless.html

missE

As our girl said: Shame on you Barack Obama!

ritamary

Go over to Obamington Post to get a few laughs. The Obamatons are all tied in knots trying to explain how their messiah voted in favor of telecom immunity.

One Southern Girl

They’ll need more Koolaid.
Susan1968

Are the Obama-bot apologists bending over backwards to explain his FISA flip? Or are they just bending over and taking it?
HARP

Should go over there and ask them…. WHERE IS THE WIRE TAP TAPE.
Hope Floats

Remember when they were saying he was going to bring back habeus corpus? Ha ha ha ha. As one commenter said here, as soon as they’re done testing baseball players for steroids.

http://takeaction.wordpress.com/ A.Citizen

The poor dears stuck in the threads at all the places where ‘Bama, four letters same as Bush, is revered are…well….

They’re pissed.

They’re talkin’ about no money for that clown…

You know in my blogging alerts on FISA generated ten, sometimes twenty, times the traffic of any other issue.

It may be that this latest outrage is that ‘step too far…’ for the FAUX Dems in the Congress, it ain’t just the Blue Dogs folks, and Barkey.

I told the folks at FDL that they could go ahead and bann me if they wanted but from now on the scrawny little moral runt known as Barack Obama will be:

‘Barkey’ ‘The little dog that didn’t bark in the night re: Sherlock Holmes.’ and that I was gonna stik that word in every sentence and clause I could everywhere I comment and those who don’t like it?

Can go fuck themselves.

The only thing that miserable, mangy mutt is good for is…

Kicking.

And I’m a gonna.

The final struggle between those who would live free in this nation and the corporatist jailers and slaveholders is approaching folks.

Get up of the couch and take action.
Peggy Sue

How about switching out that “Vero Possumus” with Verboten. Seems more fitting to the candidate and his campaign.

Wake up America!
gotalife

Today, the Obamaniacs saw the real Obama.

They are not happy.

HARP

LOTS of arguing on Kos.

WildChild

I wonder if they feel had?

http://supergram.blogspot.com ProudMilitaryMom

Now why would anybody expect Obama to vote against FISA? FISA will be a very convenient tool for pinpointing dissenters and rounding us all up.
Somebody told him FISA could be a very good weapon against US- cuz we know he could care less about what his terrorist friends are doing and saying.

catherine

True.
Dakinikat

my guess (snark) is that the telecom companies told obama they’d release his phone calls from and to Larry Sinclair unless he ponied up enough votes to protect them …it was mutual protection money … (snark snark snark)

Teakwood

Chances are they already gave that to Rove. And there is nothing snarky about what you say. Tinhat of me but, from snark come the funny “bonehead”.

Powers that be could jam BO in a big way…all those calls to the gov and rezko and over seas?

uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

OMG Military Mom,
I hadn’t thought of it that way.
Very scary, indeed.
mahaska

You have a valid point. This is some kind of takeover. And no I have no tinfoil hat.
josgirl

The way this guy scrubs websites and has been manipulating the internet since day one, his position should have been obvious.
Especially to those who helped him do it.

yttik

“Vero Possumus”

Ahh, so he’s finally pandering to us small town bitter people who cling to guns and religion. Us “Huckabees” who cook varmints in our popcorn makers. Let them eat ‘possums or is it arugula?

DoroB

haha, i didn’t think of it that way.

jadwiga

Thanks Catherine!

I remember that when the Senate discussed this vote, I had the distinct impression that the approval of use of force agains Saddam Hussein was as last resort, in case the diplomacy didn’t work. I was shocked to learn that the deployment of troops started almost immediately.

I am scretching my head when I hear arguments that it was wrong to wote for the war. It is not how I remember. I still believe that the vote to allowe use of force was abused and twisted out from its original purpose to start a war that could have been avoided.

Sad story.
We Will Remember in November!

Obama’s now under the bus foreign policy adivsor, Powers said that Obama pledge to begin the immediate removal of troops from Iraq is only political theatre.

Obama’s campaign finance reform is so OVER.

Obama’s Universial Health Care–well it AIN’T.

Obama’s progressive views on the 4th amendment and FISA- NOT so MUCH.

When OBama said he would not have lobbyist working in his white house – they will work in his white house.

Those nasty Subprime mortgagors (Countrywide) – NOT so MUCH – Johnson

NOW someone remind me why I should not vote for McCain? BTW, I am not an easily scared recovering democratic ie don’t try S.Ct, abortion, or privatizing SS.
scorbs

You obamabots were told over and over and over again that Obama has never fought for anything, particularly if it was controversial. He backtracks and does and two step backwards. He did it with women’s issues in Illinois, he did it with nuclear power plants monitoring themselves, he did it with helping his neighborhoods, he did it with the Maytag workers where he actively worked against them in innumerable weays so that the owner of Maytag would give him money for his campaigns.

We are looking at Republican-lite, and you obamabots are responsible.

alibe4Hillary

This man is not Republican lite!!! he is Republican HEAVY!!! He ain’t no Democrat. He ain’t no centrist. He is a fascist.

Bella

Well Obama praised Reagan and claimed he was a better pres than Bill.

Nuff said!

Obama is a pathetic log cabin Republican.

One Southern Girl

Nah, just a vapid opportunist.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

A vapid MARXIST opportunist.

Sick of the Obama Circus

good one. like the log cabin bit (heh heh).
Yes he is.

HARP

Obama is moon walking better than Michael Jackson.

Susan1968

LOL — good one, Harp!

kat in your hat

ya know…the Chicago Tribune said that Rezko also raised 3 million for Pres. Bush…

I’m just sayin’…
Dakinikat

Thx for this thread Susan, I returned to FDL/empty wheel to join back in the fun I used to have with those folks until they all started going after me for supporting Hillary. Although I did get called a republican once, I was amazed how this vote and the reversal on the public financing pledge seems to have turned into some kind of antidote for the Audacity of Hype. I was happily blogging at my place all the comments that were incredibly anti-obama from folks that were ready to take my head off just a month ago. How things have changed!
HARP

In violation of US federal code:

§ 713. Use of likenesses of the great seal of the United States, the seals of the President and Vice President, the seal of the United States Senate, the seal of the United States House of Representatives, and the seal of the United States Congress

(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Teakwood

HARP, What’s up with BO legal Dept.?

Someelse posted this as well several threads back. Makes me angry that it would be done incontravention to US law AND with such DISRESPECT. Not surprised but angry.

HARP

Beats me. Probably following the RBC rules from the DNC.

Teakwood

So is it a Panhead?

American from Iowa

Throw the bum under the bus and keep driving.

Democrat

A new NEWSWEEK Poll shows that he has a substantial double-digit lead, 51 percent to 36 percent, over McCain among registered voters nationwide.

Obama’s current lead also reflects the large party-identification advantage the Democrats now enjoy—55 percent of all voters call themselves Democrats or say they lean toward the party while just 36 percent call themselves Republicans or lean that way. Even as McCain seeks to gain voters by distancing himself from the unpopular Bush and emphasizing his maverick image, he is suffering from the GOP’s poor reputation among many voters.

Obama is running much stronger at this point in the race than his two most recent Democratic predecessors, Sen. John Kerry and Vice President Al Gore, who both failed in their bids to win the White House. In a July 2004 NEWSWEEK Poll, Kerry led Bush by only 6 points (51 percent to 45 percent). In June 2000, Gore was in a dead heat with Bush (45 percent to 45 percent)—which is essentially where he ended up when that razor-thin election was finally decided.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/142465/page/1

Democrat

Obama seems to have built his margin in part by picking up a key slice of Clinton’s support, including women. Women voters in the new poll prefer him over McCain by 21 points (54 percent versus 33 percent). Defections to McCain by Hillary Clinton supporters are also down significantly since she dropped out of the race and endorsed the Obama. In the new poll, registered Democrats and Democratic leaners who supported Clinton during the primaries now favor Obama over McCain by 69 percent to 18 percent. In last month’s survey, Clinton supporters backed the Illinois senator by a significantly smaller margin, 53 percent to 34 percent. Registered independents have also moved toward Obama, backing him by a 48 percent to 36 percent margin after splitting about evenly in last month’s poll.

AJSHOPE

Hahaha, whatever makes you feel better. Everyone except for 2 polls (both of which have been proven to use questionable methods) have McCain and Obama in a statistical dead heat.

Also better hope Obama raises more than 22 mil in June. Not that money will really matter if he keeps talking.
HARP

Wait until this FISA thing sinks in.

Zee

I think that’s why we’re seeing a marked absence of trolls…they’re all huddled in stinktanks hashing over new talking points.

Must be quite a struggle.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Yeah they have to wait for Axelrod to pass along talking points on this one. Hahahahaha.

WildChild

let me guess what it’ll be… bu bu but Clinton.

Zimeeisme

http://www.newsweek.com/id/142469?tid=relatedcl

Read the methodology. According to this, they didn’t even talk to 1000 voters. And the margin of error is just ridiculous for some of the groups.

Finally the media is reporting what they should. Obama’s true colors are showing. It’s just a matter of time…

Is it too early to say I told you so? Maybe…I am not that presumptuous

josgirl

Oh, come on.
They talked to 500 white people and 500 black people.
That’s only fair, considering.

Teakwood

What kinda phone book goes by race?

WildChild

The black and white pages

StrawberrybitesBarky

Oh, that was naughty. Hahahahah!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Listen Newsweek would pick Karl Marx for their next cover if he were still around. It’s silly to even BOTHER with any poll they decide the results on. They are falling into the crapper financially too. Too bad, so sad.

DoroB

Talking to yourself again huh, “Democrat”?
I’m interested in your excuses for the FISA vote. How much can you bend? Are you flexible enough to join the Cirque du Koole Aide?

Hope Floats

Cirque de Koolaide. He he.

DirOfTheObv

Obama only has to lose about ten percent of Hillary’s voters to be in trouble. And right now he’s lost about 17 percent, latest tallies I’ve heard. One pollster says about 22 percent in exit polls said they would not vote for Obama.

catherine

Markos from the Daily Satan writes for Newsweek as does Karl Rove. That tells me all I need to know.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Catherine, Nuff said. lol.
Hope Floats

It goes straight to my spam, but every week: “The end is near. Buy this battery powered generator and a radio or whatever. Grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye.” I get the same not so fresh feeling just thinking about the Orange Satan.

DirOfTheObv

In addition NEWSWEEK is in the bag for the DNC. They are going to tell the lie until it comes true. They want to taint the mix…tell the readers that everyone’s going this way…in hopes they will do what sheep do…go with the herd.
auntpitty

Newsweek is tied at the hip with MSNBC now so you can figure any poll they put out is going to be pro-Bama. Even George Will’s columns for them have gotten more to the left (not his appearances elsewhere – just his Newsweek columns).

Teakwood

Sucka’s all of them. I said BO would do a half gainer with a reverse on the last open thread regarding FISA. Oh yeah…must have something to do with Rockefeller’s idorkment… (“see hear BO, you leave me and my telco buddies alone and…)

Campaign finance reform AND Telco Imunity in 24 hours… Hey Fiengold you asshole, what did you think he would do?

Hey Dodd, what was all that stuff from the CRAP CANNON BO sold you on when you where going batshit crazy over Telco Immunity?

In the United States, ex post facto laws are prohibited in federal law by Article I, section 9 of the U.S. Constitution and in state law by section 10. Over the years, when deciding ex post facto cases, the United States Supreme Court has referred repeatedly to its ruling in the Calder v. Bull case of 1798, in which Justice Chase established four categories of unconstitutional ex post facto laws. The case dealt with Article I, section 10, since it dealt with a Connecticut state law.

Finally, Calder v. Bull expressly stated that a law that “mollifies” a criminal act was merely retrospective and not an ex post facto law. The current debate over granting telecoms retroactive immunity for their part in warrantless wiretapping is one that does not invoke the ex post facto clause in the U.S. Constitution.

Wiki is wuked up.

What a ship of fools!

Is Retroactive Telecom Immunity Unconstitutional?

“http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/is-retroactive.html”

http://deleted AnninCa

He’s not going to give up one single power that Bush swiped, either.

DirOfTheObv

This is me on the FISA…..I don’t give a crap if the US government wants to tap my line and here me plan with my sister what we are going to cook on the grill and how much beer we’ll need. OK.

I’m much more concerned with a bunch of phony assed elitists trying to tell me if I can smoke, where, what I can eat, how much I should weigh, what speed I should drive, what my thermostat should be on ….OK.

If a freakin’ terrorist is planning to do some dirty crap to thousands in this country I WANT US to have every tool at our disposal to find it out BEFORE it happens.

If you aren’t up to no good then there is no reason why they would be tappin’ you.

I want to hear this kind of outrage on the Constitution just as forcefully the next time they try to resurrect that Fairness Doctrine BS on free speech ….

And when they try to undo the 2nd Ammendments right to bare arms.

Balance.

HARP

Then move to f***** China

DirOfTheObv

Telling people what they can eat….how much they can weigh….how many babies they can have….what temperature their thermostat is on…what they can say…

ALL OF THAT IS CHINESE. Pardnah…

HARP

Thats my point
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

And what to do with your 401k according to a certain priest.

Teakwood

And when they try to undo the 2nd Ammendments right to bare arms.

Slippery slope when you say “I have nothing to hide”…except some people in my attic…or the guns you think are illegal.

I get what you are saying but it doesn’t make constitutional.

DirOfTheObv

It makes a hell of a lot more sense to be tapping into people thought to be up to terrorist things…when there are people out there who have declared they are at war with you and have proven the lethality of the threat…

Than it does to be trying to tell people what to say just cause it ain’t fuzz in your ears.

Also, the FISA they passed today …was not the FISA they considered a few months back. They had put some additional limitations on it that the democrats were happy with.

I’m not a republican. I’m an Independent. Support Hillary.

Hope Floats

The right to bare arms… no wonder they wear wife-beaters in the south.

athena

Watch it! I am from the south.

yttik

I agree. I don’t want the government above the law and wiretapping, but lately it sure seems like violating a lot of rights “for our own good” has been even more invasive. Locally we began with a smoking ban, can’t even smoke on your own property if you own a business. No alcohol anywhere in public. Then we banned trans fat, forced all the restaurants to change. No skateboarding, it’s dangerous. Mandatory bike helmets for everybody, 250 dollar fine. We’re currently banning plastic bags. We’ve got cameras on all the street corners. We didn’t have this many rules in high school.

Teakwood

London? naw New York? SF? Must be SF yttik?

http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

THE SINCLAIR SAGA

I honestly had considered not tackling this issue relating to Larry Sinclair and Obama.
I have been following this story since early February. I was unsure if this was just a rumor or smear as the Obama lovers claim or if this was a news worthy event. I began reading the blogs, newspapers in Chicago, and watched the You Tube videos. The more I read of the tactics the Obama campaign and bloggers were using to smear all persons not supporting him and calling nonbelievers as Racists I concluded that We Bloggers and Anti Obama websites have a duty to report the news. The MSM has decided Larry Sinclair is not credible based on an article post at Politico as stated by Fox News Reporter Greta on gretawire.com. We have seen this pattern repeatedly during the Primary race between H. Clinton and Obama. If it concerned Clinton it was taken to task but Obama was and still is being given a free pass. In conclusion this behavior makes me question maybe Obama did have a Sinclair encounter and the Obama camp wants to cover it up and call it smear propaganda. I am giving you links to investigate for yourself the Sinclair Obama connection
read more at : http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/thesinclairsaga.aspx

WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

Hmmmmmmm…interesting. I’ll be waiting for this one to play out.
Tricia

Why has this guy who did not get married to Michelle (Jackie O) until 30 years old have any other girlfriends to speak of (not even a prom date that I have heard of)

Teakwood

He had a girl friend in the years or so before MO as reported in the Suntimes. She has not been the news as I have seen besides one or two articles.

Sick of the Obama Circus

Yes, yes, yes. Please do give attention to Larry Sinclair. There is much there. There is murder in Obama’s own church. Obama says nothing about it.
Total lack of class on his part? Well, yeah… that’s typical Obama. But there are too many crossing lines in the sinclair story that give it credence.

As for Greta’s stupid declaration that there was no story worth reporting on… shame on her.
The line was that because sinclair had a police record he wasn’t credible?

I thought Greta prouded herself on being a lawyer, and a trial attorney at that.

Um duh….Greta… Ever heard of using a person as a witness even though they had a criminal background?

NEVER heard of that Greta? Ever been in a courtroom Greta? Really?

And how do you think that mafia folk are ever convicted? Because they stole candy in front of a cop at the local five and dime?

Who do you think is going to testify that he did drugs with and gave a blowjob to Obama?

You think it’s gonna be the Governor’s son?

Please folks push the Sinclair stuff and tell Greta that real lawyers know that imperfect people are capable of giving valuable testimony.

WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

Well, well, well…look who’s getting a dose of reality now…the progressive bloggers who helped elevate the DaliBama to his self-built pedestal.

His reversal on NAFTA, now the FISA approval…

how does hope an change fit into this?

This is a naked and unbridled grab for power.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Hahahahahaha! Barky stuck it up the left cliffers’ asses!

Geeze what a surprise. Yes he can!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

He’s channeling Deval Patrick in more ways than one. Yes He Is!

HARP

JUST WORDS!!

DirOfTheObv

The funny thing is ….they’ll probably be listening to Obama and all his friends. LMAO!

Ya Been Bamboozeled!!! Ya been Hoodwinked!!!
http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

I just looked at a blog is is pro Obama to see what they had to say about Obama’s statement on FISA. I couldn’t believe what I was reading! They were lambasting Pelosi and the others who were supporting the bill, and then when it came to Obama they said they would give him the benefit of the doubt. Hugh? So, as long as THE ONE supports the bill, that’s ok, but anyone else is wrong. What the hell is wrong with these people? Are they insane? Stupid? On drugs? How can they not see their own hypocrisy?

I’ll bet if Hillary comes out and says exactly what Obama says, they’ll crucify her. These people are idiots, just fucking idiots.

DirOfTheObv

A lot of the Obama supporters are new. I mean newly registered, newly into it. Anybody who was passionate about FISA still has to be disappointed big time.
Sam

Even better if Hillary goes completely aganist the FISA bill. LOL that would be great watching the Obamabots twist themselves into pretzels trying to rework all of that cognitive dissonance.

Mary

I wanna see McCain go against it.

And then what will Barky do?

LOL

colbertocrat

Poor little guys, wait til they find out he’s not buying them each a pony.

NomNomNom

Maybe he’ll send them all a unity possum as a consolation prize?

Zee

Pogo the Possum said it best…”We have met the Enemy and He is Us.”

Susan1968

LOL on the pony joke.

I literally laughed aloud.

Thanks – I needed this after seeing Obama roll-over yet again.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Poor little guys, wait til they find out he’s not buying them each a pony.

RRRRRRRRRRROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Wonder what the Kossacks are saying.

Hahahahahahaaa.

Yes You Can!

HARP

After checking a few sites… They are wild…some withdrawing votes….others saying no more money. Could be an interesting weekend.
Sam

The Kossacks pretty much actually threw every one of their “high ideals” completely under the bus. Suddenly, FISA just really isn’t very important after all. If it was, Obama would have told them so. It is some sick crap going on over there. They are bending over three times backwards to find this acceptable. They are all phonies. It is so clear.

Perry Logan

It’s exciting that so many young people have gotten into politics lately. Too bad they totally screwed up.

DirOfTheObv

They are the Republicans and Independents of tomorrow.

DJ

Unfortunately our Democrats can be included in that list too because after what I’ve seen in this primary, no party is without idiots

DirOfTheObv

It’s true, the party you start out with disillusions you, and you can end up on the opposited side. That’s why I’m Independent. I learned long ago I have to sort through the BS and figure it out for myself. Party lines are mostly lies. It’s work but worth it.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

That’s why I left the Republicans. If they’re not going to actually do the things they claim they stand for, then why am I wasting my time and breath defending them I asked myself. So I left. I am an American first and only.

realdemocrattrueauthentic

I hate Obamabots from Highland Park, Illinois, who insist on typing impertinent comments in threads at blogs supportive of Hillary Clinton. He should stick to producing videos.
http://citizens.johnmccain.com/ Colin

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/06/nafta-double-think.html

Great article on Obama Doublespeak.
Sam

I honestly thought that he would cowardly just sit this vote out, make some lame excuse for not being there to vote. I would not be suprised that if it gets too controversial for him that he will still find a way to avoid actually voting on it. Then later, he can claim that he supported whatever position ultimately proves out to be the most advantagous for him without any “paper trail” to deter the hypocrisy. That’s been his MO so far.
Susan1968

Now that Obama has thrown the 4th Amendment under the bus by deciding to vote for the FISA bill, the previously Obama-loving, “PROGRESSIVE HIGH-INFORMATION DEMOCRATS,” are starting to sound like Clinton Democrats. Some comments from the progressive blog:

…………………………………

Don’t be so sure. Many of us didn’t think he’d sell us out on this issue. My rage has me shaking now and I’m done with DemoCorpRATes. What makes you think Obama won’t sell us out in terms of the Supreme Court for some kind of sickening middle ground?

———–

I’m thinking about this, and how he’ll be asking for our votes and our help in a couple of months, and we can tell him where to go with a clear conscience … because when we needed him to stand up for us, he told us where to go.

————-

I got a “make a donation” e-mail from Heath Schuler – sent back an e-mail saying that I wanted to be removed because he is a Blue Dog and sold out the Constitution today.

—————

It never crossed my mind that Obama would respond the way he did an I’m disgusted by it.

I think crazy Dr. Ron Paul will get my vote.

——————-

I also just unsubscribed from Obama’s e-list, with a few choice words that ended with “no more money, no more time, no more vote”. Bastards.

——————

silly me – i would have thought that the dems should have learned a lesson from nader. piss off the high information dem to your peril.

—————–

I just unsubscribed, as well. My message was, “I gave you my support, you spat on my Constitution. Please do not contact me again.”

———————

I suspect the Democrats have considerably underestimated the loss of momentum they have just inflicted on themselves.

————————-

Not a DIME! And tell the O campaign to take you off their email lists and never ask you for money again.

———————–

So I’m supposed to support (as in give money I worked my ass off to get) to someone who at the first opportunity spits on the constitution? Fuck that.

It’s Not Me

Bwahahahahahahaha! I hate to say it….but I MUST!

Told you so!

They should have listened to us.

Susan1968

I laughed too.

Some are threatening to vote for Nader again, others Bob Bzrr.

And the rest say they will still vote “O” but they will switch voter registration to Independent.

One Hillary supporter posted there. He/she said something like, “Now you know how Hillary suporters feel. Obama will tell you to suck it up because where else can you go, right?”

Jeeze, how many votes can Obama dare losing and still pull off a win.

Next stop — maybe he’ll piss of AA voters — he did piss off some with his Father’s Day speech at the church about AA deadbeat Dads.

Mary

Thanks, Susan! I was reading at Digby’s site , too……they’re all pissed, disgusted, no money, fuck off, all of it.

Gave me great pleasure!!!

HARP

I saw this so many times when Hillary was kicked to the curb, and have been waiting to use it:

7 Stages of Grief…

1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.

You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn’t do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning “Why me?” You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair (“I will never drink again if you just bring him back”)

4. “DEPRESSION”, REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be “talked out of it” by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.

During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.

7 Stages of Grief…

5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your “depression” begins to lift slightly.

6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.

7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

7 stages of grief…

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

8. Losing your ass in an election.

9. Closure.

Teakwood

Uppity, is like the Beatles “Number 9?”

10. Do a book tour.

Kevin

I’m at Pissed Off and Fighting Mad and I wasn’t too warm and fuzzy about Hillary in the beginning. She grew on me, and I understand that in order to retire her debt she caved. Its not about her anymore. Its about him and whether this country is safe. Its not safe with Obama as president, its not.

I view this battle as an epic one, one for the survival of our nation, our ideals, the principals of the founders of this nation. One vote is one vote, not one-half. Lies are lies, changing your position to suit the moment is not leadership, its following the wind.

http://deleted AnninCa

I’m not entirely sure what’s going on with Hillary. I saw a blog today which suggested she’s maintaining contact with a lot of the supporters to push forward on issues.

I assume she means health care. Obama will surely use her plan, not his. It’s a no-brainer, really.

Ann MacNaughton

What makes you think BHO will use her plan? It takes work to get UNIVERSAL health care in place, give lobbying opposition. BHO’s track record is not to bother with policy wonking, instead to ‘just say yes’ to lobbyists. 527 funds? Soros? Rezko? Are you listening?

Come to think of it, what makes you think he will have anything to do with it. Before you wind up under the bus too, why not help us lift the tires out of the mud and get back on the road to nominating Hillary in August and electing her in November?

Ann MacNaughton

Kevin, you are exactly right. “Its not about her anymore. Its about him and whether this country is safe. Its not safe with Obama as president, its not. . . I view this battle as an epic one, one for the survival of our nation, our ideals, the principals of the founders of this nation.”

AND it is about the well-being of the rest of the world too. “If we aren’t part of the solution, we are part of the problem.” Just think about the Ansammerae Chicago-Iraq tip of the iceberg.

If you have not read Riane Eisler’s 1987 book, ‘The Chalice and the Blade’, now would be a very good time to order from Amazon.com this cogent explication of the cataclysmic turning point when the direction of human evolution is branching again.

The way of the ‘chalice’ (turning our country back toward governance based on principles that support the life-generating and nurturing powers of the universe) is to get Hillary nominated in August. McCain is the obvious continuation of the domination of the ‘lethal power of the blade’. And the Obama Nation? Led by evil, followed by delusional, is how it looks to me. But maybe I’m missing some key point.

Karma

He just tosses more and more people everyday.

I really didn’t think it would be this fast….silly me thought the summer would be mello so I could catch up on some work.

Ann MacNaughton

Right. Or, even, vacation. Fact is, we need to get that 20 million campaign debt paid off faster than fast, to spring her from that tower prison and get the gun away from her head.

http://deleted AnninCa

Amazing……I never thought I see the obamabots actually make him accountable for anything.
Zee

Thanks, Susan! Great reading! And it will only get better…or is that worse?

typical.white.person

Obama’s Lame Claim About McCain’s Money

Obama says McCain is “fueled” by money from lobbyists and PACs, but those sources account for less than 1.7 percent of McCain’s money.
Kevin

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.

Just another orwell quote.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

Why is anyone surprised? Obama also voted for Bush-Cheney Energy Bill.

DJ

I don’t thnk McCain voted for that bill did he?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

No, McCain did not.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

Neither Clinton nor McCain voted for the Bush-Cheney Energy Bill of 2005.

NAYs —26
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sununu (R-NH)
Wyden (D-OR)

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Whoops! Obama must have hit the wrong button again!
Karma

Oh thank you for that…thinking about that vote and McCain just the other day.

McCain might actually win on energy policies alone.

He really needs to hammer that on Obama.

Obama has a ‘stick to ya more’ plans. I’ve read about two separate gas taxes for two separate programs of his. I can’t afford Obama’s policies as he rattles off more and more of them. Cheney’s plan has us nailed to the wall already.

Kevin

maybe she reminds him of his wife
http://deleted AnninCa

I’m not, Truth. Frankly, he’ll be making a lot of conservative decisions. He has no credibility with the military. They are horrified by the very notion of him as president.

This type of stuff is for them, I am guessing.

Won’t work. He keeps talking about foreign policy. As long as he talks and reveals the depth of his ignorance on topics, they are going to remain in shock that he could be the commander in chief. It’s like Reagan after alzheimers set in.

They’ll have to set up an administration where the president doesn’t get much of a say to protect themselves from his ignorance.

txchelle

Popped over to MYBO blog to see what’s up with unusually silent Obamatrons today …

They’re talking about how they are going to become the biggest lobbying group DC has ever seen. They’re encouraging each other to call their Senators about the upcoming Senate vote on FISA. One of them responds “Oh my god! McCain is my Senator! … Help!”

Hello? Did she just now find out that McCain is her Senator? Talk about “LOW INFORMATION VOTER.”

http://deleted AnninCa

Interesting. Did you see that Moveon.Org dismantled their 527Pac? They are making it sound as though they are doing it in support of Obama’s position.

In point of fact, I don’t think they ever got the big union doners. It’s been inactive since 2005. *haha

They are as dishonest as he is.

NJPUMA

Beautifully produced, high-impact videos that MUST be checked out, by graphic genius Flineo (all his work is wonderful … we should be seeing this on TV ads) :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZydhWoEHCdM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBA017FZQRA&NR=1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U3CumwgteMw
cofer

As president, BO will abuse FISA. This is a much needed tool for his future authoritarian commie regime. Don’t be fooled by the crocodile tears on the left, in privet
they’re pleased.
http://snunes.blogspot.com Susan Nunes

This is what happens when people are too lazy to do the research and are too easily swayed by media propaganda. Any research into Obama’s background would show he is no progressive or liberal and not even really a Democrat.

I can’t believe the mess we are in.

http://deleted AnninCa

None of us could do research because he’s never really done much. LOL*

What was missing to me was realistic thinking. I find it amazing that educated people are willing to blindly defend someone based on nothing more than vague slogans.

Just amazing to see the real prejudiced thinking going on. “Gee, he’s AA and talks nice, so he must think just like me on all my issues.” They didn’t even ask questions!

And I never got the lack of ability to grasp why his health care plan wasn’t good. They were so willing to just say, “Oh, they are identical.”

Anyway…something is missing in these brains of “progressives.” They put together arguments and whatnot, but they don’t really think.

Bonita

Where are you Democrat, Freedom Fighter, Jmac, undercoverblackmanforobama, Tom, slimy someone?

Susan1968

Good point.

Maybe the O-camp called them in for “how to sping BO’s FISA Vote onine,” talking points meeting.

LOL.
HARP

Under the covers, reading Obama ruulz again.

http://deleted AnninCa

or calling Hillary at 3:00 AM and asking, “OK, they hate Michelle still and she was careful to wear a dress, they are laughing at my emblem, and NOW I’ve even got Moveon.org mad because of FISA. What do I do?”

Hillary replies: “I’ll fix it. Next week, when we’re campaigning together. Settle down.”

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

3AM
[A phone is ringing]
President B Hussien Obama Winfrey: uuh.. uuuuh.. one.. uh…. eh… oh… uh… one second

[President Winfrey covers mouthpiece on phone, and then strikes his fist into pillows, upset that his sleep has been interrupted]

WINFREY: uh.. uh. Hello?

SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Hillary Rodham Clinton: Barry, wake the fuck up, a plane is headed right toward a civilian office building. I need shoot-down authorization now, motherfucker.

WINFREY: Uh.. mm uh.. who… .eh… .. who is this? I’m the uh [Looks at redesigned Presidential seal] Presdient.. uh. are you sure you shouldnt call Hillrary?

Clinton: I am Clinton!

BARRY: oh, uh.. um.. uh. I .. uh … been. missing uh.. eh. Sleep.

Clinton: Can’t you tell my voice with those ears?

OBAMA: hey.. uh.. do I make uh comemnts about your pants. I uh find that uh uh comm. uh statement uh uh unhelpful

Clinton: We don’t have mu..

[PHONE IS GRABBED OUT OF HUSSIEN'S HAND AND SLAMMED DOWN AS IF IT WERE AN OLD STYLE PHONE BUT IT'S MOBILE, SO IT DOESNT REALLY SLAM]

Michelle Khomiemi Obama Spears: I told you not to talk to that bitch at night, get your black ass back to bed. I want to finish my waffles.

[ok this was lame.. but i was bored and couldn't stop typing]

Perry Logan

They’re desperately looking for a poll that makes Obama look good.

candymarl

I don’t think Obama supporters were thinking. Like anyone can, they got swept up in the excitement and newness of it all.

The media was no help. They reinforced all of this.

On the FISA thing Senator Dodd did all he could to stop it cold. Now in the new and improved FISA bill telecoms still get immunity. That was a key sticking point for most Democrats.

If the compromise includes limits how are they to be enforced? Heck, the Democrats were unable to enforce Congressional subpoenas for goodness sake. Now they’re going provide oversight to major corporations?

I’m not surprised by any of this. I was hoping I was wrong about Obama. But he never “set right” with me from the beginning.
Susan1968

Rachel Maddow looked sooooo sad on MSNBC tonight.

She got her big chance to host “Race To The white House” and here she is, stuck with the FISA thing.

I wonder if Olbermann found a way to spin this FISA thing to make Obama look good.

Anyone catch his show tonight?

Think he’ll find a way to blame Obama’s decision on Hillary?

LOL!

HARP

They don`t call them DUMMYcrats for nothing.

antihegemonic

This is just more evidence of Barack Obama’s hegemonic impulses.
http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

One HOPES that the left wingers finally see Obama for the person he has always been beneath the bamboozling.
http://snunes.blogspot.com Susan Nunes

The media not only reinforced this–they CREATED it. They picked our candidates, both the Democratic and GOP candidates. I absolutely refuse to support either one.

It’s like we are living in a third-world country with sham elections and sham candidates. The people have no say who gets to be president; the financial elites are controlling the show.
Tommy

Barky’s chit runs like a pig puking….
Barky, apparently didn’t listen to his advisors before spewing this chit….He claims Saddam was not a threat to his neighbors..Barky,can’t remember Hussein invading Kuwait…
http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=268964&keyword=&phrase=&contain=
Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power…. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors…and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

The only thing that could make this sweeter, would be to have Hillary Clinton come out and say that she will vote against it and that there is nothing more important than civil liberties. That would stick it to every single Democrat who stabbed her in the back, including Nancy Pelosi.

I’ve been checking out the Obama progressive blogs and they are ready to hang themselves over this. I’ve seen some who are still supporting Obama,no matter what. But a majority of them said they are stopping all donations and saying, “This is the change we were supposed to get?” I’m enjoying every bit of it.

Zee

Yes, and now that the primary is over Obama is stopping the attack on the Dem Party and Mr. PostPartisan Unity is race-baiting and saying that *Republicans* will smear him for being black!

Isn’t that special? I have a feeling all those “Democrats for a Day” won’t be crossing over to the Hope Pope in November.

http://www.anvp.blogspot.com soldier4hillary

Damn! It’s beginning to look alot like christmas….every pro bo blog I go (read as you play the theme in background).

I dont see why there suprised. Hell BO has already been doing this form of survelance on pro hillary sites so I am not shocked.
jjran

Summary of Barach Obama’s Positions NO Postions.
**Obama was against FISA. Now Obama is for FISA
**Obama was against NAFTA. Now Obama is for NAFTA
**Obama was against the WAR. Now Obama WAR position is the same as Bush’s
**Obama was against Keeping TROOPS in Iraq. Now Obama wants to keep TROOPS in Iraq
**Obama was for campaign finance reform. Now Obama aganist campaign finance reform

If you thought John Kerry was a fip-flapper…then you have not made Obama yet….
GoHillary

Hilarious cartoon.
http://i25.tinypic.com/zlvnex.jpg
http://www.anvp.blogspot.com soldier4hillary

What they dont get is that they believed all of those speeches like he would step in..wave his magic wand…sprinkle sparkly dust and everyone would be linking hands in congress singing kumbayah as they approved everything put before them.

But they loooooved Nancy P during the primaries and all talked about..god i cant stop laughing…how he would cross party aisles and bring change to washington.

I wish I had the utubes of all of them; richardson, kerry stepping forward saying how he would be changing how things would be done.

But yet they couldnt understand why WE kept wanting to know exactly what “change” meant.

I guess they dont like the definition of what his “change” exactly is.

Fitting really since we dont care for there definition of “unity”. But overall, I am so freaking loving watching them explode all over the place.

I wonder if they stopped public financing because they knew after they started showing them what his “change” meant they wouldnt be sending in all of those 1 dollar grassroot donations online and there babysitting money.
GoHillary

Breaking: Obama stumbles to a $22 million May.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/20/breaking-obama-stumbles-to-a-22-million-may/

Zee

Check out the poster they made:

Change that goes ca-ching!

http://i30.tinypic.com/258b80z.jpg

http://www.anvp.blogspot.com soldier4hillary

Man what is next in Obama supporter reality series…I need pocorn.

Karma

LOL!

jjran

Who does the following:
Change his name
Change his religon
Change his faith
Change his position
Change his policy position
Change his church
Change his believe
Change his campaign logo
Change his party HQ address
Change his wife outlook
Change his stand on anything, anybody anytime, anyplace, anywhere…. What a fraud…. Now that’s a change you can believe in.

Would do you think Obama would have changed into if he was in a vietnam war prision….? God help us all….
http://deleted AnninCa

I have zero sympathy for the “progressives.” Yes, we did try to tell them that this guy was way to “marketed.” But if you’re so narrow-minded that you honestly can’t see that a speech (and a later reversal of position) is remotely the same as what Congress was facing with Bush on the war and vehemently INSIST that he’s the candidate of REAL CHANGE (although he’s never actually changed a dang thing), then there is obviously a real problem in discerning reality from fantasy
Obama never really promised them much. A few things promised, he has taken back.

The “progressives” will have a lot of soul searching to do, no doubt, before this is over.

catherine

Whenever we tried to point out that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth and betrayed his constituents in Illinois by promising them one thing during elections and then screwing them over once he was elected, what did his supporters call us? RACISTS!

Someone should badger those twits at their “progressive” blogs and accuse THEM of racism for voicing their disappoint in Barky,for daring to state the obvious; that he is a FRAUD. See how they like it.

BoboBolinksi

That seal could seal the deal with Obama for me.
Ann On

Gee, thanks for the link to Greenwald. I stopped reading his blog months ago, after being taken to task by some pinhead for objecting to the patronizing, hectoring tone of one of Susan Powers’s early press releases. It was easy to see where that lot was headed. It’s as bad as I asssumed. Blech.

The funny thing is, I learned so many of the fine points of criticizing the government and the media from Greenwald. I’m now turning those same skills against him and his ilk. Kind of like the Jesuits teaching people to think, only to have them turn around and start thinking for themselves. Funny old world.
JM

Okay, so her speeches don’t send a chill up your spine. But she does know what she’s doing. And that is really what you need

I don’t want a politicians whose speeches send a chill up my spine or a tingle down my leg. I want a politician that obviously understands the issues, and who makes my brain think. Give me a wonk over a charlatan any day.
Ann On

Oh, and anyone not wearing blinders could see where Obama was going on this issue. If the fauxgressives didn’t see it, it’s because they didn’t want to.

In the comments over there, pod people actually are complaining because Senator Clinton’s not leading the charge against the latest FISA horror. It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.
ritamary

Schadenfreude– Don’t you just love it?

Ann On

Oh yeah, sure do. I just pray that I’m not going to be enjoying great steaming heaps of Schadenfreude for the next 4 years. And I’m not a praying woman.

http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com londonamerican

after breaking his pledge on public financing, the precious now sells out his netroots backers. do you think any obots will wake put down the crack pipe?

i’m not too optimistic; already i read a bunch of obamites justifying this latest reversal by saying how it hurts “grandpa” (always classy, that oborg!) and that anyway they “want to win.”

but win to do what? for what purpose? do we really want for years of pc-republicanism dressed up as “winning”? at this point i’d much prefer to see mccain as president than to have the chicago machine with their hands of the levers of power.

just say NO DEAL: http://justsaynodeal.com

(and THANKS kat for linking to my article!)
http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com londonamerican

anninca: i agree 100% with you. it’s very hard to have much sympathy for anyone who only NOW feels betrayed by the dear leader.

after seeing how he gamed the primaries, slimed hillary and her supporters and chnaged his position repeatedly on iraq, iran, his “church” and nafta (just for starters) what on earth did they think he was going to do?
CognitiveDissonance

I think these supposed A-List Blog Boyz (and a few Girlz) are a pretty contemptible lot for only now objecting to something their Precious has done. He has done far worse than vote for FISA, though that was bad enough. They’ve given him a pass on absolutely everything for the past 16 months. They didn’t care about his race baiting and outright racism against certain voters. They didn’t care about all the sexism. They didn’t care about the clowns he runs with – Wright, Ayres, Rezko. They didn’t care where he got his money – in fact they didn’t even bother to look. They didn’t care that he praised Republicans and dissed Democrats. They didn’t care when he threw gays under the bus. And they’re upset about FISA? What a bunch of narcissistic little creeps! Their whining and utter stupidity is repugnant to me. After all this time, they should just eat their crow quietly. I don’t even want to hear it.

CognitiveDissonance

Oh, and another thing: I wouldn’t call them progressives. They’ve long ago lost the privilege of calling themselves that.

WildChild

no please, call them progressives. They’re sure not liberal. Liberals have more sense.

Susan1968

I’m on HuffPo torturing the Obama apologists over this FISA vote of his.

Best. Time. Ever.

StrawberrybitesBarky

Hahahahhahahah! You’re evil….I adore you.

Perry Logan

Maybe the Obamites should smear Hillary some more, just to cheer themselves up.
maggie

This FISA thing is just the beginning. It is going to be so much fun watching them watching him in full betrayal garb. Hopefully he will destroy his own candidacy without much help from anyone — Please God, please!

http://deleted AnninCa

No kidding, maggie. He was always the insider guy. He will be right with Pelosi and the rest, shoveling out weak laws that have no real vision.

*sigh*

http://dianej.wordpress.com DianeJ

Here is a funny video in response to moveon.org’s Alex. It is clean, funny and to the point and yet sad in a way because things are tight and Obama wants to raise tax. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecX-jQL19A or on my site http://dianej.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/hey-senator-obama-you-can-not-have-my-wallet/.
PAN230

Do you think the effects of the Kool-Aid will wear off in time. Looks like the tent of “unrealistic expectations” is beginning to fold a bit.
DancingOpossum

I’ve been mean. I admit it, my friends. I have visited my former “progressive” blogs (where I used to post regularly) and posted mean, petty, taunting exclamations of schadenfreuede. I know, I am a small and bitter person.

The thing is, while I am greatly enjoying the wailing and weeping and clutching of bankies, in reality I am not happy. I am furious. This legislation is undiluted, evil, crap that, as Russ Feinfold said, should never have seen the light of day, let alone be voted on in the Congress. Hmm, I wonder how Russ feels about his early endorsement of BO now?

I would (will be) be equally furious with Hillary is she supports this travesty.

By the way the children are also throwing tantrums over BO’s endorsement of a nasty Bush-dog Democrat instead of his progressive primary challenger in a congressional race. He just keeps slapping them silly and they just keep begging for more.

And on the dreaded Taylor Marsh, they keep scBecause once again BO needs the woman to bail his ass out of trouble. AGAIN.
DancingOpossum

whoops, left out “they keep screaming for Hillary to make a statement on FISA.”

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Hillary is no longer their business unless they live in New York. So screw em.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

I just wanted to revist this thread and say it again:

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa
Kal

Sounds an awful lot like Stephen Colbert’s ‘I am America and So Can You’ –

‘I am America and Yes We Can’

I don’t think this is a proper use of the official seal of the USA. This is a country of laws, not men (or women). Sovereignty is a collective concept and should not be appropriated to promote the bid for power of any one individual or group of individuals.

It resonates with his cousin’s insistence that anyone wanting into the inner governing circle has to sign a written oath to uphold the effort to incorporate Sharia law into the constitution of Kenya.

In short, it makes me feel very uneasy.

I think it is tolerable in the comedy realm because Colbert’s use of the seal, for example, is ironic and helps us see why that’s NOT ok. This breaks down an important historical boundary that I think, along with things like votes, goes to the core elements of functioning democracy.
Ann On

Good grief, how could they not have seen this coming? And so many of them are hooting and hollering because Clinton won’t speak out against it.

“Mommy, the bad boys beat me up again! WAAAAAAAH!”
Steve

The Dem party has always tried to be progressive yet we need to remember our base. The true Core Dems. Well we told you so. Homobana is a created myth proped up by the corporate monied interests who try to control our country. He is a puppet proped up by the controlled corporate media which slams the Clintons and her supporters. McCain, or if we can get him, at the Convention. Clinton. Another four years of Repblican control of presidency, at least we know their positions. 2012.
John

Oh. my. Please don’t tell me Obama is REALLY using that phony “Presidential Seal” knock-off on his podiums when he speaks. It screams “PIMPIN’ YOUR RIDE”. We have gone from the ridiculous to the absurd. The next 4 months is going to be entertaining: watching this buffoon making it up as he goes. It is “Amateur Night in City Hall”.
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http://www.obama-wire.com Sam

I think it is so pathetic the candidate of change continuously changes his position on the issues. This is not the kind of hope I want. I am tired of the empty speeches; empty because they have no substance. If Obama offers a policy issue on the campaign trail, chances are it was already tried. Nothing is new from the candidate except for his success with two words. Two meaningless words.

I am sure everyone would like to know Obama has raised $161,927 from lobbyists: http://www.obama-wire.com/obama_lobbyist.htm

I am sure everyone would to know Obama has a history on the campaign trail of never taking responsibility for the actions of his campaign; instead, he passes the buck off on his campaign: http://www.obama-wire.com/Apologies.htm

And now Obama has the audacity to suggest McCain will come after him on racial ground: http://www.obama-wire.com/racecard.htm

This guy is the biggest joke since 7 minute abs.

http://www.obama-wire.com
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Well, they made it clear that the bill was going to pass yesterday. And Fox made it clear that the bill was going to pass. It sounds to me like the Dems got the limitations put in it that they wanted and it wasn’t one of the “crucial” votes they said she would return from vactation for.

It was already a done deal.