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Howard and Nancy, you two little piggies

By SusanUnPC on June 22, 2008 at 5:16 AM in Barack Obama, Campaigns & Campaign Financing, DNC, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi

Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, we know you have big dollar signs in your eyes when you look at Barack Obama. But even the state fair champion “cash cow” can only produce so much. And you two know that Obama’s fundraising is slowing, and your party can’t begin to match the GOP’s soaring fundraising:

1) Obama “reported his weakest fundraising of the year, pulling in $22 million in May.”

2) John McCain “John McCain practically matched him, pulling in $21 million [in May]. Considering his cash on hand, McCain is virtually on the same financial footing as his Democratic rival.”

3) “Republican National Committee Outraises Democratic National Committee Five Times“:

To Democrats now giddy about what appears to be a huge campaign funding advantage enjoyed by presumptive Presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, you might control your giddiness: the RNC has out-raised the DNC five times over and is expected to use its money to level the campaign funding playing field for Republican presumptive nominee Sen. John McCain.

Joe Smith

I guess that is the only reason he is meeting with Hillary so that he can get money from her. Little does he know that the people who supported Hillary the most will not give him a penny. More likely they will provide money to McCain.

beebop

Speaking as a Clinton supporter who donated during the primary to her campaign, I can tell you that I am continuing to donate to her and have made a first contribution to John McCain. So your assumption is correct. Not only that, but the DNC can kiss the tips of my fingers and will not ever again see one thin dime.

Thomas

Let’s work to get Hillary the nomination.

HillGirl

How?! Our country needs her! What to do???

BluDawg

ditto!

Anee

I donated to McCain too and will continue to until the piggies change their minds and put Hillary on the top of the ticket.

R Thatcher

Are you truly that naive and uninformed? Clinton has massive campaign debts to pay off. She needs Obama’s financial help at the moment — not the other way around. You people seem to exist in some alternate universe.

Mark

They’re absolutely delusional.

Betty

Let’s work to get Hillary the nomination.

Betty

do I hear a “ditto”

drkate

ditto here!

scorbs

Ditto!!!!

elise

Ditto!

scorbs

Delusional is Barky’s thought he can raise $600 million.

That the party is listening to him and superdelegates as well is delusional.

http://deleted AnninCa

Not really……the biggest debt is to herself. LOL*

20 million….11 to her. Who knows how much of the 20 million is “soft” debt.

Mary

She has already said she’s going to write off her own $11 million debt—not a big deal.

The other $9 million is to her vendors, and her own supporters will help retire that.

She doesn’t need Obama’s $$ or donors.

Obama and the DNC need HER donors, so they can pay convention bills.
blkmn(real) HRC supporter

Thanks for using the FACTS, like you(AnninCa) ALWAYS do!!! She is just trying to pay the 10 million, that’s owe to the vendors. I guess the NObama money machine ISN’T turning like use to. lol!!!! McCain 21.8/NObama 21.9 in May. NObama08

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

The Clintons need only write a book and have some speaking engagements for the next year to pay off their own debt. That’s how it’s always been done. Now if Barky wants to pay off the debt, I would say he had better get humping because his fundraising is drying up and the DNC only has 3.x million on hand while the RNC has 53+ million on hand. So let’s not make this guy out to be Warren Buffett. I do suppose that, now that he has renigged on his promise to take public funding, which he proclaimed to be a wonderful thing and now proclaims is “Broken” might help him, especially with those middle eastern friends he has.

Make no mistake. Your messiah needs Clinton’s top contributors and he needs them now.
drkate

how’s that fake presidential seal going for you? you think he can raise money on that while everyone is laughing?

Obambi won’t help her with the debt. That’s alright–HRC is king maker now, the superstar and President in either 2008 or 2012…when McCain retires.

By that time Barky will be serving is 3rd year in prison.

Clinton Fan

I guess he figures that seal is a step up from that giant picnic paper plate he had working before…!

Deep Truths

She wants only $8M in debt for her vendors. She has magnanimous said that she will take care of her own debt of $14M. Still has $40M for the GE.

Its possible that a lot of BOs donors were republicans aiming to keep Clinton out of the GE. Now they will donate to McClain. Bitch is the new black.

scorbs

He thinks he’s going to “whip” up $600 million for the GE. Probably with a real whip. I hope he gets what he deserves: everyone’s cold shoulder.
dee4hill

Sisterhood, yes!

Bitch IS the new black!

Hillary or McCain ’08!

Someone

Bitch may be the new black, but Black is the new president, Bitch!

In all seriousness, if you’re going to wax on about a sexist media cycle, you’d best cut the derogatory shit out of your own life right now. What Tina Fey had to say was downright disgusting, and to quote it with glee is a true sign that what you people say has a clear disconnect from what you people do. The best part is how screwed your cause truly is.

You have two possible paths – 1 is that you ultimately fail to bring any sort of impact, resulting in short term mockery from the sane and rational world, followed by falling into a dark corner of history. Thats your best bet, being overlooked by history.

Alternative, you’ll actually be effective in handing the nomination over. Your fundraising blockade of the DNC would result in down-ticket races being lost to the republicans, to the point that easy and sweeping wins in the legislature turn to nothing. You put McCain in the white house, and clap your hands for Hillary in 2012. But then, you see McCain replace a few supreme court justices. You see a continued war in Iraq, and even new ones in the middle east. You see an economy continuing to crumble.

We arrive at 2012 seeing a supreme court poised to overturn roe v. wade. We see our country further in peril, moving backwards, rapidly, from even the despair of 2008. And we see the return of Hillary Clinton, and her rabid fanbase. What do you see as the media narrative there? I’ll tell you right now. The first serious, wonderful female presidential candidate was more than prepared for the job, and the country obviously ready to welcome a woman. But it was in her fanbase that clearly, people weren’t ready. They weren’t ready to treat a female candidate as a candidate, no, to them, it was a messiah. And in the defeat of their oh-mighty candidate, a bloc of supporters sold their rights down the river, they sold their causes down the river. They sold womens rights down the river. They no longer were a part of any proud, democratic tradition. Nay, they had come to feed at the hand of their new God, all praises be to HRC.

If you don’t think thats how the media narrative would go, then you dont believe what you’ve been spewing. That storyline would sell papers. That storyline would bring the viewers in, more than any other means of summing up the ridiculous turn of events you aspire to cause. Go ahead and do it, but I will not feel one ounce of sorrow for all of you. And I will do my damnedest to make sure you all receive your proper blame for such a ridiculous, entitled mentality.

stodghie

well she will have to get in line it seems. the city of denver is looking for money. the dnc is cash strapped and obama is not bringing nearly as much. who knew?

jnm594

Wonder if Dipshit Dean will have the roll call vote now at the convention???? LOL! Payback is a bitch!
dee4hill

Really! The DNC is hard up right now. I was reading where they’re having to cancel some of the usual parties, because they’re so low on funds.

In the past 2 weeks I’ve gotten 2 mail pieces – one from the DNC and one from Obamessiah. I wrote a scathing letter, and told them I’d contribute “WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER” and then mailed it back to them, taped to the high Heavens.

They will have to go through all the tape and then open it up and read the letter and realize – NO MONEY from me.

But I thanked them for the FREE POSTAGE! LOL

Hillary or McCain’08!

JoseyJ

Obama is in trouble! He needs votes AND money from Hillary supporters, but he’s too arrogant to admit it.
So – he breaks a promise on public financing to try to make up the difference.
Just like Bush, Obama believes the ends justify the means.

Obama/Wright08

http://deleted AnninCa

Oh yes, that’s clear. You steal 4 Hillary delegates in a hot, hot, hot election and dream that won’t set off a barnstorm rejection?

Yes, arrogance is the word.

Another word?

Stupid.

He may have gamed caucuses, but that’s all he’s gamed.

He’s not such a hot-shot politician after all, is he?

He’s the penny-ante guy. He’ll take Idaho over the GE.

alee21

I donated the maximum to Hillary and I will not donate to Obama,not now not ever.

Obamaites you can keep this tirade of insults up but it won’t do you or your candidate any good. Just show your limited appreciation of the division within the party and how your candidate’s appeal is fading by the day.

Obama is a pathological liar – at least his never ending effrontery and daily gaffes make for cheap entertainment.

Methinks he has a career in stand up comedy acts in places like Trinity.
karen for Clinton

What a load of baloney.

If the Clinton’s collaborated on a BOOK about this past year they could get way more than her debt upfront.

If they told what they know about obama it would be a bestseller.

so screw off now. nobody here is going to buy your bs that she NEEDS him in any f’n way.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

yep

I maxed out primary funds to Hillary
my hubby is contributing to her now to help Retire the Debt

no dough to OBO
I sent mccain 5.44 in May, waiting for the convention and then will max out to McCain if Hill is not vindicated and they dont wake the hexx up..
fran

I know through a direct contact that Hillary’s top donors are stonewalling Obama. David Plouffe had a meeting with them, and surprise surprise, turned them off with his arrogance. Then, Patti SD’s Chief of Staff appointment for VP, and Obama’s meeting with the Women’s Black Caucus this week when he said McCain’s record re: women would help them “get over it” made it worse. They are meeting with BO and Hillary this week, but only as a courtesy to Hillary. He’s burned so many bridges, and he still doesn’t know how to be humble and diplomatic. It’s just not in him–Mr. Uniter.

Can you imagine him trying to negotiate with hostile foreign leaders? He will whine and pout and antagonize them more.

http://deleted AnninCa

Interesting……I know he angered the Latino caucus in Washington, too.
ea

I hope they all donate with checks in the amount of $0.00. Making sure to write, of course, “ZERO dollars and NO cents.”

Some of them might not be able to resist writing, “ZERO SUPPORT and NO SENSE.”

Anee

Some great graphic designer should create a fake check for us to print out and send to the piggies.

blkmn(real) HRC supporter

That’s GREAT NEWS if it’s TRUE, I really HOPE so!!!!! NObama08
mimi

I’m love hearing that this fool is really this arrogant. All I have to go on are my gut instincts (which have been pretty reliable for me in the past). And Obama’s public missteps.

It’s great to have my feelings about him validated through actual reports.

Keep those coming in folks!!!
scorbs

Oh no, Fran, according to David Brooks Obama is masterful on the inside and outside. He’s unscrupulous when playing inside politics, just the kind of guy to face off Putin. David Brooks is a republican and a complete numskull. Where do these guys get this from? Don’t republicans have the intelligence to know that Obama’s two-facedness will catch up with him and his immaturity and arrogance will do him in?

People are not going to respond to it at some point. Hopefully sooner than later.

I always said it was Clinton with the emotional maturity to unite the party.
dee4hill

Yea, and if the foreign leaders don’t play into his hands, he’ll get his “boys” to call them racists.

Hillary or McCain ’08!

susan

If ALL 18 million of us Hillary supporters were to donate $1.00 per week to the McCain campaign, that would be $72 million dollars per MONTH, more than enough to beat Obama and friends at their money game, even though Hillary has shown that Obama can be beat, even when he outspends 3 to 1. What say, all??? Shall we do this??? Let’s propose this to JustSayNoDeal to get this off the ground, and to teach Obama and the DNC a much needed lesson!!!

drkate

let’s do this to retire her debt first, then fund mccain. so how about $2 from every supporter?

Joe Smith

I also think that Obama got a lots of money from Republicans who wanted to see him compete against McCain instead of Hillary. After all he is by far the weakest candidate in the general election. By the time August rolls around people will get tiered of him. Especially the young voters who have the attention span of a mouse on speed.

Northwest rain

I agree — never before has any unqualified candidate had practically an unlimited budget for the Primary season.

Many seasoned political geeks have been predicting that obama’s money source would dry up — and this seems to be happening.

The GOP pacs haven’t yet begun their ad campaigns — they have so much material to work with — their biggest problem will be which area of the Obama corruptness should they target for maximum shock.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

the Dems in Congress have helped him all the way with his dirty money
they blocked appts to the FEC so no one is minding the store

same with the FED they are blocking new seats so their puppet can appoint whomever they tell him too

no doubt more General Electric board members..

ugh

please try to find an alternative to your local OBOT SDs who agrees with your positions everybody and help them, please let your SDs know you are helping them too!!

consider helping Ed O Reilly, replacement for Kerry !!

http://edoreilly.com/where-we-stand

I am looking for new SDs across the country so if you know a good replacement please post the link so we can check them out and send some help their way if we agree with their positions!!

Kevin

I know of no one running against Barney
Frank. Do you?
And sorry to sound so insensitive but once Kennedy is gone, that race should be real interesting.

stodghie

well, kennedy will stay and hold his seat till his health gives way. after that the governor will appoint a replacement. i don’t know that ma’s rules about special elections. i presume it will most probably be a democrat, but who knows these days.

elise

I believe it is an appointment by the gov.,but I have the impressions it will be another Democrat, possibly a member of his family. Does anyone know if this will effect his endorsement? I know that vote can’t be cast long distance, but will they appoint a super to replace him?

Linda C.

Barney Frank was a big Hillary supporter. Probably one of the brightest people in Congress. He also stood up and defended Bill Clinton on the impeachment hearings while all of the other democrats ran with their tail between heir legs.

Obama is a bum

I have talked to several Republicans who feel McCain is too liberal and are mad that he is their candidate. They also think the Democrats did them a favor by nominating Obama who will screw up so bad that the Republicans will win in 2012.

I agree with this viewpoint. I believe Obama is incredibly inept and would be soundly defeated in 2012. If the Democratic leadership had any brains they would dumped Obama when the Wright fiasco hit. Hillary probably would have won two terms. She should not campaign for Obama. Her only chance is for McCain to win and she gets the chance in 2012.

Lucinda

But I have a hard time believing that the Republican Right Wing is going to cast a vote for Obama just because they don’t like McCain. I personally know too many of those folks, and they’re going to hold their nose and vote for McCain. The last thing they want is Obama in charge of national security.

BluDawg

The Republicans will line up behind McCain in the end.

They always line up.

It will be down to turn out, and I believe they can bring out the “worried” base with the threat of 0buma.
elise

It would be an interesting concept that Hillary’s supporters could screw up both parties.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

I think it is so imperative that people get out and vote McCain for his very reason
depressed GOP turnout for moderate McCain..

and depressed DEM turnout

leaving a perfect opportunity for vote stealin Chicago shenanigans…

Faux doing story right now on people voting illegally in two areas..glad to see the GOP is awake..
stodghie

repubs are not going to allow obama the wh if they can help it. look at the history of the repubs. they get mad and yell but they come home. there isn’t nearly the division in the repub party as in the democratic party. no way!
db

Exactly!

BO has gotten more passes than anyone but G. Bush.

Just imagine if Hillary had gone to a racist anti-semitic church! She would have been lynched by the DNC!

Just imagine if Hillary said there were 57 states!

Just imagine if Hillary had hung out with thugs & communists!

There are 100 more just imagines.

Wake-up Super D’s!

dpvegas

We keep sending their letters begging for money back to them, at their expense. We won’t spend the postage on them.

And I got a call from the Obama campaign asking for money and told them no.

We will be giving our money to Sen. McCain’s campaign from now on.

Thomas

The convention is in August. It’s not over yet.

Northwest rain

I really want to believe you Thomas.

But I also get the sense that the DNC has deliberately backed the loser Obama — and it doesn’t matter what the majority of voters want.

Thomas

Think that the party leaders are developing buyers remorse.

Something I picked up over the past week is how most of A list VP names are taking themselves out of contention for the second spot on the ticket.

The Latino vote is cool to El Hombre, also.

Democrat

Not true! Obama is winning Hispanics 2-1 in EVERY poll.

peter pentagram made too many enemies

Catch a clue here, no one with any real juice pays attention to polls, they’re like the MSM, irrelevant to real decision makers.

You’re in a fantasy, have been for awhile.

stodghie

thomas, can you list the names taken out of consieration. i am hoping wesley clark took himsel out. i hope he said to obama that he’ll help in the campaign but it ends there.

http://hyper-educted-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Either you haven’t been a political junkie for long (which is what I suspect) or you are a fool (hey, I suspect that too!).

It is June. Even George McGovern and Mike Dukakis, both of whom Obama is channeling, had DOUBLE DIGIT leads by the time they were the nominee. June is not October. The very thought of listening to your childish drool about polls between now and October, when the polls REALLY count, is enough to make me wish a new Rap Star would come onto the scene to keep you occupied.

You need to go back to the Mothership and get some of those copy and paste messages they hand out. I would suggest finding one that explains FISA. That should be fun to read.

..or maybe a nice copy and paste of why it is that Obama’s funding is drying up and he has to beg Clinton to talk her top fundraisers, who despise him, into writing checks.

Did anybody mention to you that the DNC has roughly $3 million on hand and the RNC has $53 million right now? Or that Obama had his lowest fundraising month yet? This might help explain his refusal to use public funding, which he lOVED and now calls broken because he needs to collect soft money. I bet Hamas would be glad to help out. I KNOW ~~Pockiston~~ Pakistan will.
drkate

liar, just like obambi.
http://deleted AnninCa

Democrat…you gonna quote 1 bad poll and ignore the fact that they boycotted his meeting on the Hill?

LOL*

You’re silly.

JoseyJ

Who boycotted what meeting?

two001snake

You need to get your facts straight most hispanics are true conservatives. The majority will be voting for McCain in droves. They are not stupid and will not vote for another inexperienced (Obama)President like Bush who allows himself to be manipulated like a puppet by the old codger politicians.

dpvegas

That’s what we’ve been seeing the past 6-7 months. The DNC seems to have decided this and they’ve not been willing to back down one little bit. I’ll believe it when I start hearing Dean and Pelosi doing some back pedaling. Think that Brazille would have the back bone to do the same (I’ll not hold my breath for that)?

So, for now, not one red cent of our money goes anywhere near the DNC. Not one. We want to contribute nothing to BO, either directly or indirectly. And we’ve not given to McCain…yet.

stodghie

they can’t afford to back pedal now. they are in too deep. i also think they have factored in losing but have false ideas about many future voters and all that money. you know like obama raised for them in may which was less than mccain raised.

http://deleted AnninCa

I agree. But, they didn’t really get those new voters in.

They are dreaming.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

I think they have no choice. That’s what I think.

They have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.
democracyfirst

It’s beginning to sound like both parties want their respective candidates to lose.

No to B.O.= Body Odor & B. Obama

Well – when your choices are “really bad” or “much worse,” doesn’t give one much incentive to vote – let alone contribute monetarily.

Why can’t McCain wake up and realize that our economy CANNOT support the continuing war in the Middle East, let alone him wanting to wage war in Iran! Repubs and war-mongering…AGHHHHH!!!

PLEASE COME BACK HILLARY!!!
AMERICA NEEDS YOU!!!

mad vlad

Huh?

The cost of waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan is less than 1% of US GDP.

http://none donnal

Get your a…. moving, write to the DNC, ask for his birth certificates, marriage certificates, school records,his baptismal records…question them for the documents. This information should be part of their records, as you are sure that he provided these documents, because that is why they are supporting him because he is qualified to be the President, is he not?

Ask why he has been uncooperative and forthcoming, ask why they support him, why they are changing the rules, giving him delegates he didn’t earn and trying to keep Hillary off the first ballot…They must be sure? Right?

Write to superdelegates let them know that you are concerned about his associations and associates.

Post, blog, and tell everyone that we need a full disclosure on his entire life, not what he would like it to be . Many voices can not be discredited… keep the debate and discussions straight, don’t give into smears. Honest differences are what will send those Supers back to Hillary before August.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

good email to keep on hand:

voterfraud@foxnews.com

zerostress

Yes ! Gotta send them the tip that Ann Coulter committed voter fraud.

Deep Truths

The DNC is essentially broke. They made their bed. The city of Denver is pissed off. Dean and Pelosi look like the gang who couldn’t coup straight.

http://deleted AnninCa

Their excitment over his fundraising was in error. The same doners are not responding to the DNC requests, obviously. That’s because in large part these are not the traditional Democrats. There is no party loyalty.

I have zip sympathy. I think Dean is a failure as the head of the DNC, and his problem with Denver is just the tip of the iceberg.

I think they were hoping Obama would transfer some of that fundraising power to them. It hasn’t happened.

Why isn’t Obama requesting funds for the DNC from his doners? Because his own finances aren’t as solid as expected. Why? He overspent. Undercampaigned and overspent.

hootnannie

The Obama camp itself thought up the “Democrat for a Day” scheme, and yet it never occurred to its minions that the Repubs involved weren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts?!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

One thing the Republicans do en masse that Democrats don’t do is fall into line. WHen November 4 rolls around, they will vote for their candidate even if he doesn’t give them everything they want. They tend to shy away from the concept of socialism.

Joe Smith

Thomas,

I am not sure that at this point the DNC would be able to reverse it self even if it wanted to. The DNC has moved to Chicago and has no money. It could not be in a worst situation. They basically bet the farm on this guy and will have to watch it being repossessed.

Thomas

The DNC is out of money because they shafted Hillary. If Obama can’t raise money and the MSM turn on him, what good is he to the DNC and our chances in November.

The FISA vote this is the beginning of the end for Obama.

Joe Smith

I hope you are right. I would love to see Hillary as our next POTUS.

AC

One word for Nancy and Howie-

PUMA!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Robbedvoter

They didn’t really think that the GOP donors who were paying to get rid of Hillary would continue to give to the DNC, did they?

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Robbed: the only group of GOP voters of any significance that I’m aware of that are Rush Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos voters. They voted for Hillary to keep her in the race as long as possible. I’m not aware that any were contributing funds though.

If other republicans were crossing over to vote for Obama I don’t think that was part of any organized effort Though i could be wrong.

apishapa

Are you nuts or just completely clueless? Who ran ads in Nevada and every other state with either open balllots or same day registation asking Republicans to register as “Democrats for a Day” Who bragged constantly about his “Obamacans”? Who constantly touted his “reach across the aisle” crap and who loved him some Ronald Reagan? Wasn’t Hillary.

Obama deliberately set out to win primaries using nonDemocrats as a pretty large part of his base. Starting in Iowa he appealed constantly to non-Democrats for support and asked them to vote in the Democratic primaries. That has been one of my biggest objection to him, asking non-Democrats to select the Democratic Party nominee.

Obama sent out flyers against Universal Health Care. He was not appealing to Democrats with that. Obama has gotten where he is by appealing to voters with non-Democratic ideals. I am leaving the party I’ve supported for 35 years, because of the lies this flim-flam man and his DNC pals have told.

Hillary never asked for Republicans to vote for her. Never.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

apishapa: Maybe you should read the words people use…

“that I’m aware of”
“I’m not aware that any ”
” Though i could be wrong.”

So. no.. I dont think I’m nuts, I think I accurately stated the tentativeness of what I was saying. Thank you for taking the time to respond as if I hadn’t.

apishapa

I think you haven’t paying attention then. It has been right out front all the time. Obama courted Republicans from day one. Loudly and often. Hillary Clinton did not.

If you did not see his ads and his speeches asking for Republicans to vote “Democrat for a Day”, you have been asleep. Why are you “tentatively” suggesting Hillary is guilty of receiving votes from Republicans (without ever asking for them) while not mentioning Obama’s constant appeals to Republican voters?

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

I dont have TV, I dont see any ads.

Hey shoot me.

stodghie

ok! we’ll shoot facts at you. i know that will mess up your perfect day without a tv and all.

elise

There is something vaguely familiar about your writing style and choice of words and I don’t mean from this blog.

In any case, I’m afraid I don’t understand your objections to phrases which are rarely used as qualifiers, but a way to fill in sentence structure.

A case in point brings back anger and disgust with the news media. Before the Ohio election, Sen. Clinton agreed to an interview with 60 Minutes and one of the first questions from Steve Kroft was whether she believed Sen. Obama was Muslim. The question was a set up and a smug “gotcha”. Sen. Clinton’s response was “No”. Steve Kroft waited just a shade too long instead of moving on to the next question. In the silence, Sen. Clinton added, “Not that I know of”.

Her answer was a very clear “No” and it wasn’t a question she should have been asked to begin with. He followed up with two more questions on the same subject and the confusion on her face was evident.

Now here you are. Attacking phraseology and ignoring intent. I will never forgive the media if for no other reason than this. People, including the media idiots, still say she cast doubt on his religious affiliation based on this “bamboozle”. The media reaction should have been predictable given the recent history, but it still sickened me and does to this day.

Please don’t play these games with people who are obviously superior to you in intelligence. Your comment is ridiculous beyond belief.

Democrat

See the most recent polls. There are more Republicans planning on voting for Obama than there are Democrats planning on voting for McCain.

Lucinda

Thanks for the laugh.
http://hyper-educted-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

A few more votes like FISA and he might just start to look like a nice Conservative.

JoseyJ

It’s amusing watching Obamabots spin The Great Bamboozler’s FISA position and opting out of public financing.

Obama channeling MalcolmX —
“Don’t be hoodwinked. Don’t be bamboozled,” Obama told crowds several times during the day.
Jan 25, 2008, Chicago SunTimes
elise

I believe I read on a crawl this morning his economic advisors have said he may reduce corporate taxes. For me it is question of laughing or throwing something at the television. I can’t afford a new TV because of Bush’s gift to corps so I guess I’ll just laugh.

drkate

liar, just like obambi. and if you’re counting on this well then you are in for a rude surprise.

by the way, what are you doing here? Isn’t your “troll for a day” duty over? Have you checked in with your family yet since youve been on here for 24 hours?

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

How’s that fake presidential seal going for yo u? How about the fisa vote? how about campaign finance?
uhh somehow this notion that I am qualified to be president is uhh uhh ridiculous

Right, because Republicans don’t like McCain because he’s too far left, so of course they will vote for the weaker candidate who is even further left…good one.

What about all the Dem talk about voting against self interest to keep Clintondems in line, think Republicans are going to vote against theirs?
Besides Obama is so inept, who can even tell what they are voting for if they cast a vote for him. Best that can be figured is a strange desire to belittle Americans while appeasing terrorists. Do Republicans often vote to destroy Naional Security? Perhaps ya been hoodwinked : )

http://hyper-educted-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Yes you could.
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

it was an Uhhbama effort

he did radio ads, sent out mailers and had internet ads in all the open states encouraging GOP voters to come out for him……many inferred you could stop Hillary and still vote GOP in November

guess they have their Deibold vote stealin plan already in place for November and dont need the GOP votes then, frakkers

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Hahah Robbed! Right on!

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

I want to confirm what Obama is a bum said about the Republicans.

I find it amazing that the GOP is near the fund raising amount of the DNC. Most of the republican party donors are boycotting their donations until the party gets it into their head the policy platform that the conservatives will no longer tolerate the Republicans only giving lip service to (primarily fiscal responsibility)

Even though I’m conservative and thought that Hillary was at the heart of most of the 1990s scandals, I think I would really like to see a McCain / Clinton ticket.

I think the shock of that would create the once in a lifetime chance to re-orient and spring-clean our parties , and who knows, maybe even provide the opportunity for having some mutual respect for one another while realizing we each think the other side’s ideas are totally wrong.

.

SandyS

That would be a great ticket and would guarantee a win in November. You’re right, in that I would never agree politically with John McCain. But John McCain and I have one thing in common that Barack Obama and I do not. John McCain and I both love our country. Obama, not so much.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Sandy: I do believe that Hillary loves her country. And I think we all have come to love it a little bit more this year. I don’t know about you, but there’s a bit of dread going in most people’s mind I think.

I think we know how much there is to lose and how crazy we’d be if we didn’t fight for it and protect it.. which is what you folks are doing and I admire you for it. I wish the conservatives who are still boycotting McCain would come to the same realization.

YoNoForObama

I’d vote for a McCain/Hillary ticket in a hot minute!

BernieO

Hillary was at the heart of most of the 1990 scandals? Oh really? The only big scandal that was based in fact was Monica. Do you think Hillary set that up?
Go read “The Hunting of the President” by Gene Lyons and Joe Conason and stop being a dupe of the far right. (Just because the media bought their garbage doesn’t mean you have to.)Whitewater was started by an Arkansas con man, David Hale, who got caught embezzling a couple of mil from the Feds. He was advised by the head of the Arkansas CCC (upscale KKK, Justice Jim Johnson, to give the Feds something on Clinton to cut a deal. That is why after years of investigation and 70 millions dollars Ken Starr found nothing. And he was the third Republican investigation to come up with bupkiss.

To get started on the road to recovery read this:
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/03/03/hale/index.html

Perry Logan

Well said. It’s depressing how many Democrats swallowed the right-wing smears against the Clintons–hook, line, and sinker.

So much for the theory that Democrats are smart.

stodghie

well we have laid to rest any ideas of democrats being smart.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Bernie: I only mentioned the past so that I could show my evolution of thinking about Hillary in the present.

It wasn’t about Hillary, it was about me.

And the word “most” does not mean “all”. And of course Hillary wasn’t behind Lewinski.

I hope that ends that. Thanks.

Five Thirty

Thanks Vince. I think people are responding a little more harshly than is necessary, though it is good that they are clearing the record.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Five Thirty: It’s ok. I understand why they reacted that way. I think when I put my comments into a context they stopped. I’m here to support Ms. Clinton despite what I thought in the past.

http://deleted AnninCa

He’s a professed Republican. He’s allowed.

LOL*

I resented the Democrats who repeated the BS far, far, far more.

secularhumanizinevoluter

What scandels was that? The repugnantklan party misappropriated the entire investigatory apparatus of the Federal Government and for SEVEN years crawled up the Clintons asses with MICROSCOPES and found…BILL GOT A BLOW JOB!!! Make no mistake, there are alot of Clinton supporters and newly minted Independent/exDemocrats gonna vote for McCain. But they sure as hell don’t buy the horseshit the GOP has and IS still selling. If you believe they do or will you are as delusional as any koolaid sippin obamazoid.
beebop

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011731.php

Regarding Obama’s Nevada vote Democrat for a Day. There is a link there that takes you to the flyer at TM’s site. I won’t go there. She deserves to be driven out on a rail.

stodghie

tm is about tm. she wanted to ride the unity pony back to media acceptance. won’t happen!

http://hyper-educted-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

I find it amazing that the GOP is near the fund raising amount of the DNC

Well that WOULD be amazing, considering is bullcrap.

RNC has $53.5 million on hand
DNC has $3.9 million on hand

The DNC started out the year in the red. This is why Barky is begging Hillary to talk her top contributors, who despise him, into writing some checks. It seems the DNC has been behind for quite awhile, considering an awful lot of its REAL base told them to crap in their hats.

You really need to get your news from other sources besides mybarackobama.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Uppity: I was wrong.. I misread the GOP figure. I thought it was just 3 not 53.. so yeah.. pretty big mistake

I would never go to an obama site.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Good boy.
stodghie

vince i used to be a repub and left the party when they began to defame bill clinton. it was not a good time for the party. i won’t be returning as i am now an independent. the dems lost me this primary season. my family loved fdr, truman, kennedy and were long time southern democrats. the repubs in texas used to be moderates. when that ended i was gone.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

[ADMINISTRATOR: TAKE YOUR HATE SPEECH, your "end of times" baloney, your conspiracy theories, AND YOUR DISGUSTING WEB SITE URL ELSEWHERE. You have been banned.]

~~I left the party in 2006. It would have been years sooner had it not been for the war we are in. [THE REST IS DELETED.]~~

http://deleted AnninCa

Plus, several major doners were so angry that the DNC had to give BACK donated funds.

I doubt seriously those guys will get on board, particularly not the FL doners.
Patrick Walker

Let’s also not forget the poor performance of Congressional Democrats. With regards to the DNC, I think people are blaming Obama for way too much of it.

It’s hard to get people to support you when you
a) give money unconditionally to Bush every time he asks,
b) refuse to impose an Iraqi timetable,
c) take impeachment off the table.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

well have to admit, I was so pixxed the other day I bought a few items on the RNC store website, LOL

Martini set with etched elephants, LOL!

A throw pillow and picnic blanket with the RNC emblem, (they made up their own rather than steal the POTUS seal- has rampant elephants KEWT), they have a line of pink elephant items for ladies, HEH HEH LOL

I can go golfing in my GOP hat now , it is even khaki, BWAAHAAAAA!!!!!

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

it’s 113 degrees here the last 6 days so I can blame it on Uhhblamaitis and heat stroke, LOL

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Vince. It’s just Not Done.

Centrocitta

I have recently met a family in my region in Italy by the name of Pelosi. I am learning more and more every day that Italians are for Obama — and very proud of Nancy Pelosi, of course.

Centrocitta

With Joe Biden from Delaware on Obama’s ticket, it will be an even sweeter victory for Italy and all of Catholic Europe. When Biden was a young Senator, he wrote a paper on Poland and was then invited to the Vatican to meet with the Polish Pope. Biden and Pelosi have strong connections to Italy. Italy is the biggest friend in Europe to the USA. I’m sure the Obama campaign is more than aware of the positive affect his administration will have on all of Catholic Europe and on all of the millions of Catholics in the USA. After the manner in which Bush screwed up America’s relationship with Europe, we really don’t need the wife of a former Bible Belt president in the White House.

BernieO

And we should be worried about CATHOLIC Europe why……? Italy has been the biggest friend of ours lately because that crook Prime Minister Berlusconi (the Italian Rupert Murdoch) loves Bush. I can guarantee he won’t feel the same way about a Democrat. He’s all about business and controlling the media.
Most of Europe is not religious so I see no reason to pander to the Catholics there.

Centrocitta

You don’t know much about your country, do you? Italy is the biggest friend to USA because Italian-Americans are the largest and most successful ethnic group and have made the most contributions to America since 1900. These days, I don’t know one, single family in Italy that does not have relatives in the USA. Italians don’t forget! Roman Catholics on Obama’s ticket will be good for all of Europe. And it’s so refreshing that Obama himself does not have a Bible Belt mentality. The only people who can identify with that mentality are Americans who call themselves born-again.

Lucinda

And it’s so refreshing that Obama himself does not have a Bible Belt mentality. The only people who can identify with that mentality are Americans who call themselves born-again.

Yep, and those are the people who gave Bush two terms in office. Don’t underestimate their power.

Centrocitta

Yes, they gave Bush two terms by fraud. They are very similar in fact to the man in Austin, Texas who sold me green post oak because, “I’m a good Christian, Mam”. Yeah, I know all about their “power” and the “values” or lack thereof.

typical irishman

Right! Obama does not have that bible belt mentality, he has the quran mentallity that the rest of the “garlic nose” Italian Muslims have.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

Yes the Irish who may really have that disease per Wright, and the garlic nosed, Jesus crucifyin?!! EYE-talians, will NOT NOT NOT vote for UHHHHbama in the US in the GE

speaking as an Irish Italian Catholic

and we all know Soros one world govt plan centrocitta it doesnt include a real religion, Soros doents seem to get the idea of Islam is to control the world, the Pope came here to the USA in large part because we are one of the only nations in the world still based in religion, the European nations are SECULAR…

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Centrocitta: If you happen to go down to Napoli, Salerno, or Balvano, wave high to my family for me.

Centrocitta

OK, will do. When are you coming home? I know you think USA is home but for us this is the REAL home.

It’s Not Me

BO may not have a Bible Belt mentality, but he does have a BLACK LIBERATION mentality….which does NOT play well here, trust me.

May I suggest you worry about your own country?

Catholics here are NOT going to vote for BO just because a Catholic is on the ticket. John Kerry ring a bell? Did you pay any attention to what the republicans did to him in the ’04 election? Hell, the church refused to give him communion just because of his stance on abortion! Also, the Hispanic Catholic voters are much more powerful in numbers than the Italian Catholics.

16 million Italians live here, just 6% of the total population. Most of those are Catholic, but not all and not all of them vote Democratic! Hell, 2 of my best friends are Italian Catholics and are republicans as are their entire families.

44.3 MILLION Hispanics live in the U.S. and most of them are Catholic.

Looks to me like the Italians are just a tad outnumbered? Hispanics supported Hillary OVERWHELMINGLY here. Having a Catholic on the ticket will mean squat to BO.

Centrocitta

Yeah, I paid attention to what the Bible Belt republicans did to Kerry in 04 and that’s why it’s not going to happen again, believe me!

As far as my own country. I’m a Texas resident and a natural-born American citizen. I vote and I pay taxes — just like you — so I am worrying about my own country — the USA!!

It’s Not Me

Ah, I see. You didn’y say that in your original post: Comment by Centrocitta | 2008-06-22 06:50:22

I have recently met a family in my region in Italy by the name of Pelosi. I am learning more and more every day that Italians are for Obama — and very proud of Nancy Pelosi, of course.

That still changes NOTHING I posted. The Italian Catholic vote is MINIMAL compared to the Hispanic Catholic Vote which overwhelming favored Clinton. CA? PR? TEXAS??? In Texas she won 67% of the Hispanic votes! She slaughtered BO with the Hispanic vote and she also slaughtered him with the Catholic vote. His Black Liberation theology doesn’t sit well with most Catholics I imagine. Just as it doesn’t sit well with most people who have a brain.

It’s Not Me

correction: didn’y = didn’t
Centrocitta

Puerto Rico does not vote in the general election. Just to clear that up. And if Hillary is not on the ballot, the Hispanics won’t be voting for her. Hispanics in California will definitely go for Obama in part because of Pelosi being from California and being a Catholic. Texas Hispanics likely to follow California’s lead.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

hey moron

Puerto Ricans living on the mainland DO in fact get to vote in the General

chadrool

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

chadrool

ROFL!

http://deleted AnninCa

Obama apparently really angered Latino congresspeople this past week. He gave a party, and nobody came. LOL*

They skipped the invite to meet with him, except for one from CA.

What we may see is just not much support from Latino politicians, which is really how it’s done in that community. They are the ones who get out the vote.

If they just take a pass, then the turnout drops. He’ll not get much mileage out of Latinos.

He’ll have to split it with McCain, too. Latinos are very familiar with McCain’s immigration bill that failed last year. They know him. They respect his military background. And they don’t know Obama. They LOVED Hillary.

So look to see McCain pick up 50% or better in that group.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Latinos have a bit of a problem because they have been treated by Blacks the same way Blacks say Whites treat them. In an effort to be the ONLY MINORITY IN THE WHOLE DAMNED WORLD, the Blacks resent Latinos. They will reap what they have sewn.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

I would like you to stop speaking for Italians, particularly since I am Italian on both sides of my family, and I am in touch with my relatives. I live in a heavily Italian Catholic city and I call bullshit on your claims. As for my relatives in Italy, they couldn’t care less. Now here, where I live, Barack Obama has a better chance of seeing God than he has of getting the Italian/Catholic vote. If his name ended in vowel, he might be In. If his church wasn’t left wing radical whackjob, he might have a slight prayer. Every Italian I know remembers being called a Garlic Nose.

Italy has always had a good relationship with America no matter who is President. So kindly stop acting like you are the Pope. Thanks.

Love,
Garlic Nose.

Linda C.

What Roman Catholic Europe? The last bastions of RC are Africa, north American and South America and not necessarily in that order.

I agree with Uppity from a garlic nose sister.

drkate

Good. Biden the plageriser on the same ticket with Obama the plagerizer. Change you can xerox.

Italians don’t vote in American elections. you don’t know much about either country, do you?

B.O.W.L. big time.

Centrocitta

THIS Italian votes in US elections!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Well that’s One. Do not purport to speak for the rest of us.

Erasmus

I’m Irish from Catholic Ireland and am distinctly unenthused by the prospect of an Obama presidency.
memyself&i

I find your comments repugnant. Your attempt to create bad feelings between people of different ethnic backgrounds, race, and religion is transparent. No one is falling for it.

Tuppence 411

The Catholic vote in the United States is solidly behind Hillary Clinton. Her policies most accurately reflect the combined principals of social justice with personal responsibility US Catholics strive towards. Strike that- all people of good-will strive towards.

Obama’s connection to “Liberation Theology” was the final straw. We know the mix of politics and religion is fatally flawed and dangerous. Speaking of the “Polish” Pope- the best commentary on “Liberation Theology” is the famous picture of John Paul the II wagging his finger and admonishing a kneeling Rev. Ernesto Cardenal in Nicaragua.

Centrocitta

Apparently not ALL Catholics in USA are behind Hillary because she’s not the nominee!

Tuppence 411

“Catholic voters favored Sen. Hillary Clinton over Illinois Senator Barack Obama by a 2-1 margin.” Those are the FACTS my Italian pen pal. In states such as PA and FLA it was as high as 3 to 1. BTW, don’t you know Nobama’s spiritual leader for 20 years called you all “garlic noses”?

Centrocitta

Yes, I heard about Obama’s spiritual leader having said that. But that man grew up in Germantown, a sub-burb of Philadelphia. His neighborhood was invaded by Italian-American kids from South Philly every weekend when they attended the dances at Wagners Ballroom. Lots of these types of exchanges took place so believe me, this kind of insult slides right off our backs and this is NOTHING compared to the racial names blacks have had to endure. Really, you should be ashamed for using this petty tactic as an argument with an Italian-American. Apparently you are the one who’s offended because Obama is half black and has some Muslim background and you’re a racist who can’t deal with any of it.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

I’m Italian-American in Chicago and fuck Rev Wright and Fuck Barack Hussien Obama Winfrey , and fuck that racist church… and fuck whoever foisted this circus on the whole country.

I’m so sick of people throwing around “racist” as a catch-all word to delegitimize what someone is saying.

So Centrocitta: Fuck you too.

Kevin

Well said Paisan

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Give that man one of my grandmother’s cannolis!

Centrocitta

Hey Vince, do you know that Garlic is very good for your high blood pressure?

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

I just shoot the blood at my LCD.

drkate

race card doesn’t work here, no matter how you dress it up. You are transparently pathetic.

It’s Not Me

Neither is Obama the nominee! The DNC stole the nomination for BO. They FORCED Hillary to drop out. Weren’t you paying attention?

Hillary has the popular vote and neither candidate won enough pledged delegates to win the nomination! PLUS:

Some Findings:

* 35.6 million people have voted
* The 37 primary states account for 97% of the vote.
* The 13 caucus states account for 3% of the vote.

Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses.

BO is illegitimate and this isn’t over yet. He’s ONLY the “PRESUMPTIVE” Nominee. We have until August for the Super Delegates to come to their senses.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Catholics tend not to feel comfortable about candidates who attend Whackjob churches that hate white people and accuse this Goddamned country of giving Aids to black people.

Catholics have always been a clinton base. But I wouldn’t worry too much about it. There are only 76 million of them.
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

uhhmm yeah we kinda are..

are YOU clinging to RELIGION Centrocitta??!!

shocking!

secularhumanizinevoluter

“Biden and Pelosi have strong connections to Italy. Italy is the biggest friend in Europe to the USA. I’m sure the Obama campaign is more than aware of the positive affect his administration will have on all of Catholic Europe” BWAHAHAHAHA! And this is SUPPOSED to mean squat? Has Italy finished a war on the same side it started on since the fall of the Roman Empire? “Chatholic Eurpoe”???? Who gives a flying fark at a rolling doughnut what “Chatholic Europe” or Chatholic ANYTHING thinks for that matter?

Centrocitta

…..Has Italy finished a war on the same side it started on since the fall of the Roman Empire?…..

And who gives a flying fuck about WARS but a Warmonger like yourself? By the way, how do you like paying $5.00/gal for gas? Is it starting to cramp your American style a little?

It’s Not Me

How do you know that poster is a warmonger? Losing our temper are we? Just because it’s been pointed out that your idiotic Italian Catholic “theory” is ridiculous, doesn’t mean anyone here is a warmonger.

I was against the war before we EVER illegally invaded Iraq. So take your bullshit Obama talking point and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

Centrocitta

Again about that gasoline problem! LOL. How are you going to like paying $6.00/gal after Israel attacks Iran? Oh, but I bet you’re not opposed to Israeli Zionists the way you’re opposed to Italian Catholics. Italian Catholics arn’t your problem, silly. Israeli Zionists are your problem!

peter pentagram made too many enemies

You’re projecting, left paranoia, you’re as kooky as the right.

See a pattern, here, Spock?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Oh, yeah, I forgot.
sinking ratboat

Wow, Centrocitta is unashamedly anti-Semitic as well as dumber than a bag of rocks. No wonder she supports Obama.

Centrocitta

The time I checked Semitic peoples didn’t come from Russia and Eastern Europe. They came from the deserts!
Kevin

Facism!
Let’s see here, Israel has the DUTY to defend herself. I don’t agree with everything they do, but Iran with nukes is a threat. And by the way, didn’t Carter violate his security clearance by publicly revealing that Israel has nukes? Any thoughts here? Not a lawyer myself.
And by thoughts, I mean thoughts, not obamaspeak.

Centrocitta

……Let’s see here, Israel has the DUTY to defend herself……

Then you must have the DUTY to pay $6.00/gal for gas, right? Maybe even $7 or up to $10 because it’s your duty!

Do you hear that, Americans? Kevin says it’s your DUTY to buy gas at these prices. But is Kevin going to support you when you lose your job because you can’t afford to get to it?

drkate

hey troll. you obviously know nothing about why gas prices are the way they are.

and your comments are increasingly desperate. what’s wrong? didn’t the campaign give you the right talking points today?

Just wait until Obama let’s down the defenses and IRan attacks you and all your friends over there.

obama is world war III in the making.
Kevin

Oh where do I begin you anti-semitic wretch? What is the price of gas in the EU? Quick! Europeans have been paying higher gas prices for decades. In fact if the US hadn’t enjoyed paying below market rates for gasoline for decades, we would not be driving, Hummers, Escalades, Expeditions, and if the prices we have paid for gasoline had increased at normal rates, guess what you dolt? We would be paying MORE. Isreal as a sovereign state has the DUTY to defend herself. I said it again. Iran’s president has vowed to obliterate Isreal. He is developing uranium enriching capabilities, supposedly for reactor fuel. HOPE and CHANGE that one away. A nuclear armed Iran is a direct threat to Israel, Iran has missles capable of carrying nuclear warheads and reaching Israel. If Israel bombs their centrifuge facility, that’s good for the world. I for one would rather pay more for gas (or take public transportation like I in fact do) than live in a world with a nuclear armed thoecracy in Iran. In fact, maybe it will get America off its dependance on oil, think about that in between sips of kool-aide.
You are a troll, you claim to be american, but also claim to be italian. You have no idea of what to call yourself (although I have a couple of ideas). You think Obama will be able to use his mesmerising charm on Ahmadinejad? That’s insanity. BO will be able to wave his magic hopey wand and turn the middle east into a land full of flowers and love? bull shite!

rjj

Democrats are our problem.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/21/169_house_77_dems_and_26_senat_1/

Perhaps the headline is a little over the top. Not much.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Ah so now we understand you.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

ahhhh an America hater, finally reveals their spot, yep

Uhhbama likes us having high high gas prices, but McCain wants to give we workers a break you see

I a tree huggin bleedin heart am ready to drill off shore, this will backfire on the DEMS big time

and ALL we CATHOLICS will in large part find it so much easier to pull the lever for McCain, many of us are not pro choice you know, and those that are, like myslef, well we recall that is was conservative appointees who first decided Roe, do you say the rosary? I do and I say one for Hillary and the USA, Italians love their mothers, the Irish Smerican Media heads seem to have a problem with owmen, ie Dowd, Russert, Tweety, some kind of weird thing they have

hey why dont you get all the Protestans out of Ulster and then we’ll talk about how Israel and Palestine can peacefully co exist without a wall huh?

maroon
drkate

got to you, did we?

how’s that fake presidential seal going for you? Or Obama’s geographical prowess. Is italy one of the 57 states he referred to?

how’s your anger doing? are you managing it? Need therapy?

Oh, if you’re concerned about gas prices, check out the ads on this site–you could get some savings without having to vote for bambi.

sinking ratboat

I remember one of my college professors saying Italy was such a disaster militarily to the Allied forces in WW1, it was only fair that Germany would be stuck with them in WW2.

Centrocitta

So don’t come to Italy. We don’t particularly like non-Italian Americans anyway because they arn’t Latins. But still they come. Tim Russert even left his wife and son in Italy when he went back home to die. Maybe your college professor couldn’t convince the Russert family?

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

ahhhh dont talk for all of Italy maroon

you couldnt be morw wrong I have family and American friends living there as well you are full of shxt

hey seems you like MUSSOLINI types huh?

Uhhbama has the whole chin up thing going for him is that what you want fascism in the USA?

mind your own business….
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

and Italians welcome Americans and everyone else being a warm hearted people, you must have a gene from another planet…
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

You are an insult to my ancestors’ homeland.

eurogirl70

Mine too Uppity.

My grandfather and grandmother who both came here from Parma Italy (Berceto) would be appalled too!!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

This is some little pissant who got to take a visit to Italy and now fancies herself an expert on the country and its people.

drkate

so don’t come here either. your ethnocentricity is not attractive.

again, why are you here, homophobia, racism, anti americanism and all?

what’s the matter, can’t find a date?

beebop

I am sending money to the Democrat opposing Kerry so when Biden’s time runs out, I will have no issues sending money to his Democratic opponent either. We’ll show you “new” in a way they never expected.

Centrocitta

Worried about Joe Biden, I see. Yeah, maybe you SHOULD be.

Centrocitta

We’re hearing in Europe that Obama doesn’t want Hillary on the ticket because she doesn’t have any foreign policy experience. He wants Joe Biden instead. Smart man, that Obama.

It’s Not Me

BO is the farthest thing from smart that you can get. What flavor of Kool-Aid do you drink?
peter pentagram made too many enemies

You know the difference between the Republicans and the democrats, the weak ones, you’re speaking of?

Th Democrats are a little to mediocre smart for their own good, so it’s easy to troll the them with a carrot they’ll never see.

The republicans are stupid, not even as “smart” as Joe “let’s support a terrorist enabler like Obama, and really, it will be GOOD for the US ” Biden, but also batshit crazy, so it’s easier to feed their paranoia.

Its’ like caring for a bunch of monkey cripples, morons, just stinking cow morons.

The kind of governmet crazy and corruption gets you, yeah!

POW!

(A little General General Lyman L. Lemnitzer in every bowl…)

peter pentagram made too many enemies

(A little General General Lyman L. Lemnitzer in every bowl…)

General Lyman L. Lemnitzer in every Democratic and Republican bowl?

The Breakfast of Champions!

Go, boy!

rjj

Joe Biden is an excellent choice.

flyingsongster

Smart enough to say that Obama did not have enough experience.

DoroB

Good. Hillary supporters don’t want her on the ticket either.
drkate

obama hates women. and he hates clinton. no obambi doesn’t have th eforeign policy experience to know who he should have as a foreign policy advisor.

I don’t want HRC on an obambi ticket. She is way too qualified to sit next to a child pretending to be a leader.

how did that fake presidential seal go over in Italy? Did you think it was cute?

looks like you and oblowme have a lot in common.
DoroB

Anyway, I thought Obama doesn’t need a VP because he got all his foreign policy experience when he was 10.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

I love Joe, I used to back Joe, I let Joe know in no uncertain terms how we feel about Uhhbama, that being said Joe cant be VP, he often says things without thinking that get him in trouble, not a quality you want in a VP…

beebop

especially when the presidential candidate does the same damn thing!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Sweet Jesus. Who could worry about Joe Biden. He gets his butt knocked out of every presidential race he has ever been in, often by scandal.

He got his ass handed to him on a plate in the Dukakis primary too. How far back do you have to go with failure in presidential elections before you get the point?

Kevin

He won’t publicly state who he supports for POTUS, but I’ve given him the benefit of the doubt, The enemy of my enemy is my friend. JK will have to tap into the ketchup $ for the dem primary.

And do we need to get Coupe Deval out of here
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/
http://deleted AnninCa

What’s his name? Good for you! I’d love to see Kerry have to struggle there.

Did you know that Romney gave Kennedy his only real challenge years ago? Kennedy was in a panic. He didn’t know what to do. Called the Clintons, and they came down and bailed him out.

I read that’s why a lot of the Democratic Mass. party workers were ticked off at Kennedy and decided to roll up their sleeves and get MA for Hillary. They thought his disloyalty was atrocious.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

please consider helping out

ed o reilly

http://edoreilly.com/where-we-stand
1!!!
he will oust Kerry if we can help him
Kevin

Ed O’Reilly, Atty. went to the same law school as the missus. Kerry thought he would have a nice relaxing summer in Nantucket, but noooo! I hope ed gives him a fight, JK may have to roll up his sleeves and CAMPAIGN, the horror, chicken dinners with the unwashed masses instead of kitesurfing and chardonnay on the good yacht CATSUP

http://deleted AnninCa

*heh….

I just want them all to have to actually campaign and campaign hard. Even if they win, I want them to burn their soles on the pavement and have to listen to real people from their states.

They are out of touch.

stodghie

it was, it is and always will be. kennedy showed no honor or smarts in what he did.

http://deleted AnninCa

He needs help. Apparently, several European leaders are now speaking frankly and are terribly worried about his willingness to meet with Iran without preconditions.

They are talking about how this will grossly undermine Europe’s strategy and weaken their position.

The love affair with Obama was sure short-lived, I see.

If you honestly believe that religion of Biden is going to make a bid difference, well then…..that’s just an interesting perspective.

I believe what matters is his grasp on foreign policy.

And I agree with the leaders: His is frighteningly naive.
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

you mean rapidly shrinking Catholic Europe?? have you seen the population recently by religion??

LOL!!

PS UHHHBAMA HAS ANNOUNCED HE WILL CONSIDER CUTTING THE CORPORATE TAX RATES, FAUX SCROLL

SUR-PRIZE SUR-PRIXE SUR-PRIZE….

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Europe will be heavily Islamized by 2050.

EUtopia is turning into EUrabia

stodghie

vince, apparently you haven’t been reading about the upcoming big changes in way the eu handles immigration and visitors.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

stodghie: I don’t think it will make a difference in the long run.

This is from Boston Globe today:

IN 1965, the population of Italy was 52 million, of which 4.6 million, or just under 9 percent, were children younger than 5. Today, the figures are 2.5 million and 4.2 percent.

[I pasted a lot more but then I found this story from Moscow and thought it was more fun then boring numbers]

Moscow 2041.
26 May 2008
By Richard Lourie

Dec. 25, 2041. Moscow. Today, President Dmitry Medvedev presided over the 50th anniversary of the collapse of the Soviet Union, now a national holiday marked by parades, speeches and a spike in drunk-driving fatalities.

Operating on the principle that if you must have a president, then the fewer the better, Russia has re-elected Dmitry Medvedev for the seventh time. The constitutional prohibition on serving more than two consecutive terms has been scrupulously observed throughout. Elected in 2008 and again in 2012, Medvedev was replaced by Vladimir Putin in 2016. After Putin’s second term ended in 2024, Medvedev was re-elected by an overwhelming majority of the vote with the Kasparov-Yavlinsky-Limonov-Zyuganov bloc receiving only 960 votes nationwide. Medvedev served from 2024 to 2032 before stepping down. Aided by 21st-century medical breakthroughs, Putin was able to serve again from 2032 to 2040, completing his second term at 87 years old and looking like he was no older than 60.

Running on a platform of “continuity and experience,” Medvedev won re-election in 2040 by a landslide, and the Kasparov-Yavlinsky-Limonov-Zyuganov bloc splintered into five separate parties.

As Russia’s democracy evolved along its own specific, sovereign path, there were many calls to change the title of the country’s ruler. Some thought president sounded too American, while others thought it sounded too much like rezident, the word for an espionage station chief (of course, a certain contingent favored it for precisely that reason). Among the new titles proposed was “tsarident,” briefly popular because of its historical inclusiveness, but in the end Medvedev ruled that “president” was best.

But just what sort of society will Medvedev be ruling 50 years after the fall of the Soviet Union? There are three basic possibilities — ruin, muddling through or triumphant success.

Russia comes to ruin by failing to diversify its economy, relying even more on oil (After Gazprom moves its headquarters to St. Petersburg, it is nicknamed Petrolgrad.) But the invention of a cheap oil substitute, which made yet another American geek fabulously wealthy, puts the country out of business. Russia becomes simply one of Europe’s utilities, supplying natural gas. The souther Muslim republics secede without fanfare or bloodshed. China gobbles up chunks of the Russian Far East, and Siberia debates becoming a country of its own as it had been briefly after the 1917 Revolution. The birth rate continues to fall, and some sardonic commentators suggest importing the United States’ illegal immigrants from Mexico on the theory that Latin lovers might spike up the birth rate.

workingclass artist

Vince….Don’t think that will happen…Europeans have no qualms about expelling undesirables as history shows….The Italians are practicing on the Roma….

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Hi. Yes, that’s one possible scenerio. All I know is year after year, the cities will be getting more violent.

“More Moslems came, and soon a small mosque was built, which attracted yet others. As long as Zoroastrians remained in the majority, their lives were tolerable; but once the Moslems became the more numerous, a petty but pervasive harassment was apt to develop. This was partly verbal, with taunts about fire-worship, and comments on how few Zoroastrians there were in the world, and how many Moslems, who must therefore posses the truth; and also on how many material advantages lay with Islam. The harassment was often also physical; boys fought, and gangs of youth waylaid and bullied individual Zoroastrians. They also diverted themselves by climbing into the local tower of silence and desecrating it, and they might even break into the fire-temple and seek to pollute or extinguish the sacred flame. Those with criminal leanings found too that a religious minority provided tempting opportunities for theft, pilfering from the open fields, and sometimes rape and arson. Those Zoroastrians who resisted all these pressures often preferred therefore in the end to sell out and move to some other place where their co-religionists were still relatively numerous, and they could live at peace; and so another village was lost to the old faith.”

Boyce, A Persian Stronghold of Zoroastrianism, pp. 7-8;

apishapa

Did you not get the message last week that Obama is now courtng the Evangelical community? Obama may not be from the Bible Belt, but he never met a religious faction he wouldn’t pander to. It was just a couple of years ago he gave a speech to an Evangelical group scolding Democrats for not being sufficiently religious. Personally, I see no difference between bigoted white religious groups and bogoted black religious factions. He has been a bible thumping member of one of those churches for over twenty years.

I do not believe Biden will be on the ticket unless Obama runs completely out of other choices. Biden has a big mouth and he will say not keep it shut. He is very opinionated and most of those opinions do not match Obama’s. I’ve been a Catholic all my life, but I do not let the Pope or anyone else tell me how to vote.
stodghie

excuse me, your false reporting is not something i can let fly by. i’ll give you this, you are a far more subtle sneaky troll than we usually get. now go home and cu the crap about italy.

Lucinda

And why is this important?
The Italian/Catholics in the United States are all that matter, and a large number of them have expressed displeasure with Obama.
You worry about what’s happening in the EU. Let Americans worry about what’s happening in America.
peter pentagram made too many enemies

She’s revolting.

I wonder how it feels to know you’ve alienated every single person who could REALLY be of aid to you, because you’re an obtuse wannabe, with no political skill whatsoever, playing the player, getting it on for Nancy, at the expense of your country. Big fat stupid thick Nancy, thin, but still a cow, just like the rest of her democratic Vichy posse.

I hope she goes to prison, with the rest.

In fact, someone should investigate Nancy, and her husband, with an eye toward sending her to jail.

Same with Dean, and Kerry.

I expected better of Kerry, at least some understanding of this criminal mess, but he co opted it, too, just like the Republicans he derided.

Someone said to take a good look at him, though, he never really was an independent thinker, ever, his whole life.

And he was right, it was a matter of seeing the bigger picture, in regard to John.

Centrocitta

Peter, [REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR . Centrocitta, you're now on moderation.]

drkate

oh, so you are homophobic too. Why don’t you ask Barky about the murdered gay members of his church who had relations with him, and Larry Sinclair?

you are now a laughing stock. go ahead, let’s see more trash from you.
DoroB

You are another embarrassment from the Obama campaign.
stodghie

site violator. this centrocitta needs to looked at by the administrator. now site violator works at tl, but it is worth bringing up here. let’s all keep pointing out this troll is beyond acceptance here with comments like that.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Centrocitta, you little asshole. I do believe you have just outlived your welcome on this board.

DoroB

Could centrocitta be a Republican in disguise?

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

This Garlic Nose knows Italians don’t get to vote unless they are American citizens. My family is still seething over the Garlic Nose remark and have already decided they will not vote for Obama. I live in a city with a large Italian and catholic population and Obama doesn’t have a prayer here.

Centrocitta

You don’t have a clue about Italian-Americans OR how they feel about a one-time, insignificant comment! And for your information, most Italians currently in the United States ARE American citizens — or better yet, DUAL citizens.

stodghie

the closest you’ll ever get to italy is an advertisement in your local newspaper, troll.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Bingo!

stodghie

most italians are not dual citizens. what planet are you from?
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Where I come from we have a name for fakers like you.

You are no Italian. you are some foreign exhange pissant who is being tolerated during your short-lived trip.

Susan1968

Well, this third generation Italian-American garlic-nose calls bull on Centrocitta.

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

over the next 4.5 months, i will thogoughly enjoy watching Barack Obama implode and the DNC teeter on the edge of financial bankruptcy to match their moral bankruptcy.

But…

…most of all i will enjoy watching Donna Brazile get fatter and fatter as she slams home those triple whoppers with cheeze and extra large fries inbetween shilling sessions on the MSM cable news networks. I will giggle on the inside knowing that with each healthy mouthful she will be adding one more layer of arteriosclerosis to her corpusculent race baiting frame.

typical irishman

keep your honky hands off my waffle .

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

leggo my eggo

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/ Gloria

RE: MONEY….

See what’s going on here with Richardson/Teague in NM..suddenly, the DCCC sends money…after bouncing out the progressive who ran last time amazingly well…

“DCCC Money Now in NM-CD2 for Richardson’s Guy HarryTeague…Where Were They When the Progressive Ran Last Time?? (The One Who Got 40% of the Vote, Then Was Shoved out of the Dem Primary the Race in 2008?)”

http://tinyurl.com/46nway

Infuriating….

Lucinda

All part of the deal Richardson cut for betraying Hillary, my dear.

Hmm

Obama spent 5 times as much money as Hillary in some of the primary states-that was democratic money he squandered on states he lost. When it comes time to assign blames for the dems loss of this election one factor will be the big 0 wild and reckless spending of money.

DoroB

Just shows that money can’t buy you love…

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

I can’t believe what a sell-out Taylor Marsh has become. She’s actually defending Obama for using the race card in Florida. It seems she’s suddenly had an epiphany that anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama must be racists. Honestly, what is in that freakin’ Koolaide Obama is serving?

Kevin

LSD and/or Psilocybin Cubenis with some oxycontin eye of newt, toe of bat, regular witches brew .

Centrocitta

…..LSD and/or Psilocybin Cubenis with some oxycontin eye of newt, toe of bat, regular witches brew…..

There are fields and fields of Psilocybin (magic mushroom plant) on the island of Patmos, Greece. Apparently, John the Revelator was high on it when he wrote the Book of Revelation from the cave on Patmos where he was exiled. However, American Christians in the Bible Belt prefer to worship a man who was higher on LSD than the Beatles were when they wrote Magical Mystery Tour. Is there something wrong with this picture?

Lucinda

Oh, so Catholics don’t believe in the book of Revelation? Interesting. My father was Catholic (graduated from Catholic school), and he pretty much believed everything that was in the Bible. I don’t believe you’re a Catholic or a Christian. That’s fine. In American, we have freedom of religion, so just come out and say what you really are.

Centrocitta

Baptism, First Communion, Confirmation, eight years parochial school, four years Catholic high (all with Sisters and Oblates of St. Francis). Probably more Catholic than you are.

Centrocitta

And the Book of Revelation is pure nonsense!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

The Book of Revelation was an add-on to the New Testament. It wasn’t written by any of the disciples. There are many scholars who read it as addressing things and places of that time past, such as Rome, for starters.

Personally, I think it was thrown in there by Constantine to help keep the masses in line. Nothing like some scary incomprehensible fear mongering to get people whipped into shape.

I think the Book Of Revelation has nothing whatsoever to do with the New Testament. Else the words “My word is sufficient” wouldn’t ring true.
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

some Catholic you are buddy

sound pretty American to me with your comments on how you were educated…

Linda C.

Roman Catholics are not Dominionists or Dispensationalist, therefore the Book of Revelations is not central to the doctrine.

So it isn’t that the book isn’t to be believed in the faith sense, it just isn’t front and center to the doctrine of everyday living that some Rapture is imminent.The Rapture concept and the over reliance on the Book of Revelations is a protestant theological perspective from the late 1800′s.

My understanding from the RCC perspective that Revelations is to be viewed in a symbolic meaning rather than a literal prediction

Centrocitta

Thanks for clarifying this, Linda. Are not Bible Belt Christians and Born Agains also Protestant?

drkate

hey troll. you are clueless and ignorant. why don’t you back to kos where they welcome idiots like you.

oh, consider yourself reported and hopefully banned soon.

being a pest is just like obambi. you probably carry west nile virus, I bet. already has started on your mind.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

and out of that you come here and bash our entire nation?

uhmmmm you dont name a key sacrament there buddy

one is missing….

when is the last time you went to Confession brother/sister? you need to repent the hate in your heart for an entire nation of people you do not know….
Lucinda

I didn’t say I was Catholic. I said that my father was Catholic. He graduated from St. Michael’s parochial school in Chicago. I, on the other hand, am United Methodist and make no apologies for it.

Centrocitta

Well, if your Catholic father didn’t raise his offspring as Catholic, then he’s not a good Catholic and may have even been ex-communicated from the Church by now.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Boy are you dumb.
Lucinda

Actually, he’s dead.

Thank you for the insights you’ve expressed here today. You’ve reinforced my resolve to vote for John McCain.

typical irishman

Mohammed the camel jockey who came on the scene about 600 AD ROBBED CARAVANS as a means to support his cause–THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT. Sounds similiar to the radicals of today doesn’t it? LOL!

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Oh speaking Book of Revelation and Muslims..

There’s a new book coming out in July written by Walid Shoebat (former PLO terrorist, now a Christian) and Joel Richardson (author of “Why We Left Islam” and “Antichrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah”) called

“God’s War On Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible”

There’s a video trailer for the book here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeRFwY3SDs

It is a reexamination of the Bible and the common assumptions about what the prophecies were saying.. and to test whether or not our view of them are actually valid or are they errors that accrued in our culture over time.

It will be around 600 pages, so it’s no small effort.

Joel’s previous book “Antichrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah” was about Islamic eschatology. Joel noticed that when Muslims would speak about what their End Time beliefs were , that they were oddly similiar to the Christian view. A free on-line version of that book is here He finally realized that everything the Muslims say their messiah will do , that the Bible describes the Antichrist as doing them. The Muslims believe that their version of Jesus will join with the Mahdi.. and Joel realized that everything this Jesus is supposed to do, the Bible describes the False Prophet as doing.

So this new book reexamines the entire bible to see how things work if things are explained through an Islamic Paradigm (as opposed to the common protestant paradigm of today which is an Roman Empire paradigm)

Link to the new book:

http://www.joelstrumpet.com/?p=1325

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

MABUS

obama + bush

Nostradamus

the GOPers are talking about it

has Uhhbama ever worn a blue turban?
he came from the east huh?

frakker

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

This Centrocitta cannot be who she says she is.

Who can ever say that American Evangelicals worship Apostle John? Only someone who lives overseas and is being told myth or disinformation.

Lucinda

Very true. I’m glad you said that. I’ve read several books about Revelation, and I think a lot of it is misinterpreted. It was written specifically for the Christians who were being persecuted in the 1st Century. That’s why we don’t understand a lot of the imagery, but the 1st Century people would’ve understood it perfectly. Still, the basic message of the book hasn’t lost its relevance. In fact, a lot of the ritual dialog of the Christian faith is taken from the book of Revelation, because the sentiments expressed are really quite beautiful.

Mary

Many Biblical scholars believe the Antichrist in John’s Revelations was actually a safe code word for the Roman Empire.

And thus, has nothing to do with the delusions some preachers talk about.

sinking ratboat

Methinks Centrocitta comes to Italy by way of Gaza.

Lucinda

Me, too.

typical irishman

Yeah, she is the same bitch who called everyone who did not like Ted kennedy “cowards. Lot of her readers left that day and I was one of them.
beebop

She is no longer relevant. The koolaide drinkers outed her as a former porn something or other, so she has no issues with the battered wife syndrome. She’s got the black eyes to prove it.
PragmatismRules

But if you read the comments (on the TM blog about Barky playing the race card)they are virtually troll-free and do not agree with what Taylor Marsh is trying to dish out! Hoooray!
stodghie

with taylor marsh, it is all about money. she is so easily turned isn’t she.

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

typical irishman- Yeah..I gave up on her around then, too. I hope she goes down in flames just like Obama. I also have to laugh when she tries to insinuate some kind of inside edge with Hillary Clinton. Taylor is such a phony. There is no way you can turn on a dime and support Obama after all the stuff she wrote before. If I recall, she said that if Obama was the nominee, she would fight against McCain, but not for him. She’s such a freakin’ liar.

typical irishman

She straddles the fence and holds one finger in the air to see which way the wind blows. IE-she is a hipocryt. And you are absolutely right, she is a name dropper, full of self importance. I noticed that when I first went there and did not think too much of “ME and I” attitude. I do remember you name from there and I see a lot of others here too.
Lucinda

I’ve stopped reading her blog. She’s an opportunist. As the guy said in Casablanca, “she blows with the prevailing wind”.

typical irishman

“PLAY IT SAM”

http://hyper-educted-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

Listen, some people make a living off their websites. It’s just not financially or professionally practical to be ending it all because a nominee you don’t really care for is in the offing.

This is why I never frequent those large boards where they are the source of major income and the stimulus for side offers to the owners. When you start to see candidates advertising and throwing banners up, when you start to see the owners getting jobs writing op eds for magazines, etc etc. you no longer have a free agent.

My grandmother used to say, “Money makes the blind see”.
blkmn(real) HRC supporter

Mary Ellen you EXACTLY right, I use to go there everyday. The ONLY thing she is worry about is getting her RADIO show!!! NObama08

blkmn(real) HRC supporter

Worried NOT worry

Joe Smith

I am very curious why the Obama camp bowed out of the public financing. Do they think they can raise that much money. They are spending way more money then they are taking in. They could spend all the money that they get until August 25th. Maybe they did not have the money to return the checks they got for the general election.

PragmatismRules

This is why:

“So many suckers, so little time!”
- – - Barack Obama, June 20, 2008.

Mary

Barak Obama to Ed Rendell:

“We don’t need the people. We just need their checks.”

Jerk.

Annie Oakley

Would that motto fit on his seal?

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

Joe Smith- I’m sure that Obama already has his lobbyists ready to go. There is no way in hell that he will get enough small donations to back the GE, that myth has already been proven wrong. They will keep trying to get us to buy it, but it’s not happening. I have the feeling the telecom’s will be giving to him and the DNC generously for their votes to give them immunity.

Joe Smith

I have not thought of that. The telecoms have plenty of money.

drkate

also, the chicago olympic committee–counting on obama to fix the games and paying him for the huge income expected if the games are in chicago.

stodghie

don’t cities lose money with the olympics?

typical irishman

Thata is one resaon the question, “does it matter if Obama is a Muslim?” Is really an important question. Just Google search the USA Statistics of the Muslim population- and then think how many organizations are in those statistical numbers. Many of them radical, such as the ones supported by Farrakhan and his ilk. Lot of money there.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Obama already has Nation of Islam folks working in his Senate office.

Can you imagine the sort of people that will be injected into positions from one end of the Federal Behemoth to the other?

typical irishman

45% of the Muslims living in the USA are American born and they are mostly black.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

typical: ok.. I was speaking specifically about the members of Louis Farakhan’s group Nation of Islam.. not real muslims.

Centrocitta

Yeah, a real “Bitch”, ain’t it. We hear the next Pope will be from Africa too because this Cardinal, who comes from the Continent that has more Christian converts than any other, also has a very good dialog with Islam. In fact, MOST Christians have good relationships with Muslims. Heck there are 10 Million Christians in Egypt alone. You got a problem with Muslims? DEAL WITH IT, RACIST AMERICAN FOOL!

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Muslim is not a race
Lucinda

DEAL WITH IT, RACIST AMERICAN FOOL!

Now, this really is interesting. You claim to be an American citizen, who pays taxes, but you would use and expression like that.
Better do a touch up, honey. Your foreign roots are showing.
onmomnaturesside

It was Obama that labeled it a “smear” that his picture in Muslim garb was printed. A SMEAR…
The man doth protest too much.
Being a Muslim is not the issue…it’s the lies and denial at all cost is the problem.

Also, Cencitta, those catholic Italians in PA were clinging to their religion instead of flocking to OBama….
And finally, American Catholicism rarely studies the Bible. We are catechism trained…so you sound quite uninformed.
drkate

nice try on the race card, but it doesn’t work here.

you are sounding more and more desperate with your comments. you have no credibility and each statement proves it.

maybe you should step away from the keyboard. your tactics are not working.

psst–obambi is going down and will lose to McCain. swallow that one along with your homophobic, race-baiting comments.
stodghie

you are such a liar. the christians in egypt are so anxious to get out. they are coptic christians and feel disciminated against. shut the fuxx up about what you know nothing you pathetic liar.

Centrocitta

So where should the ten million Coptic Christians go? Oh, I know! They should go to Jerusalem and share it with the Palestinians and put the Jews out! That would be perfect! Christian Arabs and Muslim Arabs living happily together in Palestine — as it should be!

Tuppence 411

I thought Obamabots were suppose to be eggheads? Centocitta is a one dumb bot! Knows squat about religion, history, geography…. ‘Citta walk away from the koolaid and cheetos- they are rotting your brain!!!!!!!!

Democrat

It’s actually quite doable.

Well, if each of the 2 million people who have given for the primary gave an average of $100 for the GE, that would give him $200 million dollars. If they gave $50 that would be $100 million. Either is perfectly possible. He already has more money on hand than McCain for the time before the convention and more money raised for the general election period, a time that starts after the conventions.
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

he moved the DNC to Chicago and in ILL they dont have to register as lobbyists IIRC, so now he can take all the dough from Exelon he wants…..

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

I’m Italian, Catholic, and live in the United States. I will not vote for Obama. Father Phleger didn’t help matters. He may play well in a certain area of Chicago, but he does not play well in the suburbs, in fact there was an uproar over his statements at Trinity Church, our pastor received a ton of letters calling on him to repudiate Phleger, which he did in the Church Bulletin today. I see McCain taking the Catholic vote in the US.
http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

typical irishman- Well, the air is a lot fresher over here. I can’t stand being around those Obamabots, makes me want to shower.
Joe Smith

Savage Politics has a few clips from McCain. You should look at it. I have to say he is not half bad.

http://savagepolitics.com/

typical irishman

At least he doesn’t have to hide his true idenity from the searching eyes and minds of the Americans who want to be informed about the person who would be our president.

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

Thanks, Joe Smith, I’ll watch those video’s later. For some reason my computer is acting all sluggish this morning and won’t play the videos. Hell…I’m feeling sluggish….need coffee.
secularhumanizinevoluter

Taylor Marsh wasn’t “outed” about anything. She has worked TIRELESSLY for womens rights even to the point of working undercover in the sex industry to write the honest story about the abuse they endure to survive. I don’t agree with her AT ALL in her now support of obamalamadingdong. She is a dyed in the wool Democrat with a big D. obamalamadingdong at this point in time and to their eternal shame is the presumptive Democratic candidate. She says she thinks McCain would be worse for America. I DO NOT agree with her, especially since McCain will have to work with a Dem. majority Congress. I still go there and get a kick outta tweakin the obamazoids noses, but to emply that she is a sell out and to call her a “bitch”… well how very obama of you.

typical irishman

Unlike Ms Taylor’s site we are allowed to have our opinions here– she’s a bitch for Obama

beebop

I was banned for defending my right to use the word “boy.” I will not have ANYONE — Tim Russert or Jerry Wright — try to refashion the English language into something that it is not.

Centrocitta

It depends on the context in which you’re using the word “boy”. Most Americans know when and when not to use it. Perhaps you’re not American. Which begs the question, “What are you doing here in this American election discussion anyway”?

beebop

Screw you sister. I don’t need to explain myself to you, to oblowme or to the morons who want to find something racist in every little turn. You want to know something? There ARE serious issues of equal opportunity, bias in the courts, racial profiling, etc. Senator oblowme and his entitled wife are not examples of any of it. He has pulled the race card so many times that he is wearing the writing off the card. Real, institutionalized racism will end up getting a bum rap for this imposter.
stodghie

since you are american, i would assume you’d know better but clearly you don’t since all you have done is show your arse on here.

stodghie

the above post is to the false centrocitta!

http://deleted AnninCa

They are sensitive about that. *heh

beebop

She had to have an “online” meeting with her posters because of the lies that the bots spread on her website. I was there. She has the bruises to show for it. She’s a prime example of battered wife. I don’t understand. She’s either for Hillary or not. It’s just that simple.

http://deleted AnninCa

I was there this morning. One of her ads has a bug in it. Flipped my puter out. I’ll not go back! Jeesh*….I haven’t run my program yet, but it loaded me with some kind of virus/spyware deal that brought up multiple pages, and I couldn’t get out.

I had to do a hard close to correct it.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

S.H.E.- I donated money to Taylors site and all but when she posted the cartoon of an old white woman cutting off her nose as being representative of those of us who wont vote Uhhbama, that was highly offensive and misogynistic as well IMHO
Arabella Trefoil

She has her own reasons for backing Obama. I don’t agree with her. But I don’t think she’s a monster either, just a human being.

stodghie

she is an opportunist of the worst sort. jeralyn is supporting the democratic ticket. she said so from the beginning, but i have never seen ever lose her dignity or integrity like taylor marsh.

Democrat

Well, my family members didn’t give him money in May because we wanted to wait until he wrapped it up. Since then, we’ve donated. I bet there’s plenty of other folks for whom that’s true.

Personally, I’m excited that we have a candidate who has a huge donor base and who doesn’t have spend hardly any time raising money from big donors. Half of McCain’s May events were fundraisers.

PragmatismRules

“So many suckers, so very little time.”
- – - Barack Obama, June 20, 2008.
beebop

Liking that FISA decision are you? Don’t mind that the phone companies are not going to be held responsible for tapping your phone lines for George Bush?

Centrocitta

Always good to have a second passport for times like that.

drkate

did you fake your first one, like Obambi?

DoroB

Ooh, a family of ‘bots…
drkate

the DNC is broke. Obama raised only 22 million this month. McCain is within $400,000 of him. most of his doners are maxed out. at least 18 million people will not give a dime to him.

obambi has proved that money means nothing. He couldn’t win at all even with outspending his opponent.

and how is that fake presidential seal working for you? cute, huh? That makes his efforts to raise money laughable. he is a faker, a liar, a race-baiter, and pathetic–the one thing MEchelle was right about.

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

secularhumanizinevoluter-

I didn’t call her a bitch or comment on her undercover work, but I stand by saying she’s a sell-out. Anyone who can condone what the DNC did, i.e. giving Obama four delegates that belonged to Hillary, not counting votes in FL, etc…and still support them as they stand today, are sell-outs. Period. Those who say they will support the DNC no matter what are doing nothing more than enabling them to continue with destroying the true ideals of what the Democratic Party stood for. You get rid of the bad apples, you don’t support them. So, yes…Taylor is a sell-out.

typical irishman

how is “traitor” spelled? LOL! I agree 100%. She sold out.
http://dontcallmesweetie.blogspot.com/ Blu

I agree Mary Ellen. If the rank and file Democrats allow the DNC to get away with this the party will be destroyed. I’d rather have McCain for four years than to see the end of the Democratic Party.

Congress will keep McCain in check but if Obama became our ruler the Democratic controlled congress would be his and the DNC’s puppets.
http://deleted AnninCa

It’s not just that she opened up the site to Obamabots, it’s her own spin now on everything. She’s an apologist for Obama now.

That’s the part I find disingenuous. I don’t mind that she’s a unity pony gal. Makes sense. But there are so many ways to handle this.

Today’s post is an example. She takes the stand that his race remark was valid. LOL*

Good grief……it’s OK to accuse someone of racism and there’s absolutely no event or action?

That’s absurd!

stodghie

yup, jeralyn at tl is supporting the ticket but she is doing it with honesty and integrity which is not what taylor marsh has done. look at the difference.

Inhumancannonball

Republicans will vote for McCain just to vote against Obama.
I’ve read in other sources that Karl Rove had an “anyone but Hillary strategy” and that in fact a lot of Republicans made donations to Obama early in the primary for this reason.

Also, at the very beginning, when Obama decided to run, almost all the money he had at that time came from PACs and lobbyists.

He likes to blame Republicans for using so much PAC and lobbyst money, but if you go to factcheck.org, they show that these sources amount to less than 1% of the money McCain and the Republicans have and that Democrats receive it more than Republicans.

Hillary has NOT taken any of his money to retire her debt. I’m proud of her for that and hope she continues. I’m sure he is waving it in front of her nose trying to tempt her. They really want the Clinton donors.
http://dontcallmesweetie.blogspot.com/ Blu

Barack’s main contributors are all on summer break spending mommy and daddy’s hard earn money on beer, pot and parties instead on giving it to the Obama campaign.
By the time school starts back up they’ll have a new idol to worship and we’ll have a president that cares about our country (even if he is a Republican).

Lucinda

These are my sentiments, too. His donations are slowing down, because mom and dad won’t give out any more allowance before school starts back.

vonay

I’d say the Obamabots have maxed out their mummy’s and daddy’s credit cards, and Mummy and Daddy are probaly having fits.

http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

Comment by Democrat | 2008-06-22 08:11:05

Personally, I’m excited that we have a candidate who has a huge donor base and who doesn’t have spend hardly any time raising money from big donors. Half of McCain’s May events were fundraisers.

Who do you think goes to those fundraisers? It’s the big donors, sweetheart. The DNC and Obama are scrabbling to get as many fundraisers going as possible. In fact, Obama told Rendell last week, when Rendell was trying to talk him into holding the fundraiser on another date because it was a vacation week and many people couldn’t attend, Obama said, “We don’t need people, we just need their checks.”

You need to wake up to the reality of campaigns. It’s a myth when it comes to where Obama is getting his money. It’s not small donors, not by a long shot.
http://deleted AnninCa

I will laugh if Obama’s fundraising slows down permanently after he made the decision to forego federal finance and break his pledge.

That would be rather rich.

typical irishman

Yeah. He will be trying to get the paper boys nickles and dimes.

zerostress

Or having little boys selling their bikes to send the money to her campaign.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

it is so moving and inspoirational that children wanted to help Hillary

but as usual you OBOTS only find it inspiring if it is an Uhhbama donation right?

LOL!!!

I maxed out Primary funds to Hillary and after the convention I will max out to McCain, and we are putting our feet on the ground in the ‘mountain states’ like NM CO to ENSURE Uhhbama doesnt win
DoroB

I’m sure it’s only inspiring to you when dead people and pets donate to the Obama campaign.

vonay

They also voted for him.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

And five year old children of maxed out contributors.

beebop

Someone posted a thread yesterday from his “supporters” who were pissed and especially after FISA, wanted their money back …. so, I’m thinking that it may not be so forth coming.
Deep Truths

“I was against accepting campaign finance, now I’m for it” __OBAMA August ’08

Donna Mohler

At the end of this election, it will all be ok,the AMERICAN PEOPLE, will vote for the one that IS 4 AMERICA! And in my oppinion, JOHN MCCAIN is that person! He has never wavered on his love for our country! I am a dem,but will vote for Mccain!
typical irishman

Centrocitta bought into the TUCC teachings that Moses was high on drugs and David was a thug. By that you can know where she is coming from.

rjj

John of Patmos, not Moses, not John the E. or John the B.
stodghie

that doesn’t sound like a good catholic italian to me.

http://deleted AnninCa

I am beginning to think that the Democrats really misread the public. They ignored the reality that the Congressional ratings were so unfavorable included them, too. They thought this was the year that the Democrats couldn’t lose.

The REAL message from the public was that we want ALL of you gone. LOL*

Vote the Rascals Out!

I think the whole gang who shamed the party with their nasty remarks about Hillary while they were supposedly endorsing Obama turned the traditional Democratic base off to the point that we’re looking forward to handing them their heads on a platter.

Denver is now asking the DNC if they intend to even pay their bills. The chairperson for the DNC volunteers in Denver resigned, saying she had no real power to execute her job.

Obama just installed his own mirror PR guy in the DNC.

Yet the DNC is still 11 million short of the 40 million needed for the convention.

Remember, this is only needed every 4 years. They couldn’t raise even 10 million a year?

That didn’t clue them in that the public is dissastified? That didn’t inform them that this was not a great time to stage a coup?

It was a bad strategy to put Obama up to run. It’s backfiring.

And nobody is interested in his phony momentum stories anymore. Everytime the man opens his mouth or makes a decision, the public is shocked to learn what poor judgment he actually has. Broken pledges, the absurd seal that is offensive and arrogant, statement galore that make virtually NO sense.

It will be a long year.

Democrat

Democrats are ahead in the generic congressional ballot and are expected to pick up lots of seats in the House and Senate.

Those Republican losses in three special elections demonstrate how weak their position is.
Mary

Yes, it will.

And the new biography video of Obama?

NOBODY believes he possesses “Kansas values.”

Americans believe that the values he treasured, and that he wanted his children to learn, were located in Rev. Wright’s church in corrupt Chicago.

“Kansas valued?????” Good grief.

http://deleted AnninCa

lol*….I saw a reference to his Kansas values and had to laugh. I’m sorry, Obamabots, but everyone knows folks in Kansas don’t cotton to hate-mongering preachers. It’s funny in a way.

I can’t believe that they thought they could steal delegates in MI and still saddle up the unity pony.

Idiots.

I am frightened sometimes by the sheer stupidity of our politicians. Gads, these are the people in charge of national safety?

stodghie

i am sure that a number of us have worked in environments that we knew the so called leadership was going to fail. we saw politics that wasn’t based in reality, back biting, and knives but no sense of reality. that is the dnc under dean, pelosi, reid, obama, kennedy, kerry, and brazile.

http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Robbedvoter

Seems Precious is actually in debt to the tune of…$304,000.00!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/obama-30400000-in-debt/

Democrat

You’ve misread this. Those are short term debts, like owing the electric company for a bill due in two weeks from now. He has $34 million on hand.
zerostress

Same link, seems Hillary is 10 millions in the red.

zerostress

Furthermore, always the same link. Florida gave 458,000 to Hillary and 1.8 million to Obama.

He’s toast.

zerostress

Sorry. Florida gave 1.3 million, not 1.8.

DoroB

Do the trolls enjoy replying to themselves?

zerostress

Just correcting my own mistakes, something people here should do more often.

I understand you, facts are so annoying when they don’t prop up your opinions.
zerostress

Furthermore, it’s the only way I can have a intelligent conversation. LOL

drkate

lol is correct. playing with yourself, eh?

zerostress

Play around with the fact that people in Florida gave almost 3 times as much to Obama than Hillary.

KidnPlay

Yet outspending doesn’t always seal the deal. Ask the good people of PA.

Then again that’s the way they do business in Chicago

fred

Do you hate the people who believe this way? If so, without hijacking an election, there is no way for your candidate to win. When they raise a question or voice an opinion, it has NOTHING to do with YOU. They are going to be voting for the Leader of the Free World and have an obligation to Country and Countrymen to make an informed decision!! If you want them as an ally, you may want to consider making peace with these folks by not attacking them when they voice their opinions and when they DEMAND answers to their very important questions.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/leader-love-lorn-loonies/

Lucinda

Are you talking about the trolls who besiege this site? There’s definitely a lot of hate in these people. I loved it last night when Bill O’Reilly came down on DK and HuffPo, calling them “hate blogs”. Even a broken watch, tells perfect time at least twice a day.

Kevin

What I find truly interesting are the supposedly foreign trolls, italians (facist anti-semitic ones), english, etc., what the hell are they doing here?

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

they must be waiting for Uhhbama and his Soros Zbeigner Nunn General Electric cabal to institute the new WORLD order…..
Centrocitta

The last time I checked, Semitic people came from the Deserts. They did NOT come from Russia and Eastern Europe. So what’s all this anti-semitic nonsense anyway?

stodghie

your ignorance and arrogance is showing, troll.
alee21

Yes, you do need to research European history for the past 1000 years.
Funny, I thought you are Italian.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

You really are a stupid lille child who got a student exhange trip where they tolerate you in the Old Country aren’t you?

Lucinda

What I find truly interesting are the supposedly foreign trolls, italians (facist anti-semitic ones), english, etc., what the hell are they doing here?

People who enjoy making trouble come from all nationalities.

Kevin

Had me at Israeli Zionists.
go back to Puffington Host
Deep Truths

I know Obama is shaking in his boots about meeting Hillary’s donors. As far as campaigning together, same thing. Will it be a mixed crowd. Dangerous. Fights could break out. Shouting matches. Can one ever get a staged love match and pull it off. There won’t be many, I can guarantee you that.

Mary

It’s naive to assume he can get Hillary voters and donors when his own supporters are still arrogantly BOO’ing anytime her name is mentioned.

He’ll have to “unite” his own people before he’s able to bring the other side in.

Get to it, Obama. Teach your rude, rabid supporters some manners, if you can.

stodghie

too late for that. the rapid obama supporters will be a large part of obama’s loss in november. they won’t be able to be quiet. reparations will become a burning issue and that’ll be run around the track as well.

http://deleted AnninCa

They should go with small crowds, then.

I am sure Hillary will do fine. She’s a pro.

Steve

I don’t know about how other people feel. I do know how I feel, and how people I interact with feel! Core Dems are turned off to Obama. We want to punish our party for highjacking the election. We are educated and have been party members since day one. We have joined the boycott of MSM, especially MSNBC, CNN, Newsweek. We boycott GE products. We no longer contribute to DNC. We call our Congressional Reps and Sentaors from California.

We interact in our local party gatherings. Most of us are going to vote McCain if Obama becomes nominee. We support the march on Denver. We emil and call DNC, Pelosi. We do what we can in support of 1st amendment rights and free speech for Larry Sinclair. Many of us opened our eyes when he was arrested after his PC. Warrent coming out of Delaware, son of Joe Biden, we guess Daddy wants become Secretary of State! People need to start being proactice. I hope that we all join in to stop this ripping off of the nomination. Obama is a controlled, blackmailed, compromised candidate! The Black community has been duped. I truely believe that there is fire in his closet regarding allegations from Larry Sinclair. MSM is proping this myth created by Alexrod and George Soros money.

Centrocitta

Me thinks we’re going to hear a lot of interesting things coming from the Obama white house. I’m looking forward to it.

stodghie

yup if there is some soap opera like that or in a fiction book, otherwise ole false one you are shix out of luck.
Tuppence 411

Kevin is right Centrocitta- head back to the Huf Po or Daily Kos. Why do you even post here your idiotic views on US Catholics or what the hell Europe thinks of Nobama? Did you hear? Your fake- Messiah is going on a European tour? That will be fun. To watch
the Europeans recoil! While our media and Obambots get all “leg tingly” over the crowds and meaningless speeches- in Europe it will be flashbacks to the worst times in their history. Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and Stalin.

http://deleted AnninCa

What they think is documented today on RCP. They are worried about his foreign policy.

He’s putting them at risk.

flyingsongster

Centro, you really stand for all that I am against. You have been so totally indoctrinated in irrational thinking and limited historic studies. You have given away the light of your reason, and turned to cynicism and hate. Although you have been attacked somewhat viciously by those in disagreement with you, I wonder why you are here on this site, if not to
place your infected memetic belief set, into a few silent readers. The world we live in today, requires that we be vigilant in pursuit of a better life for our families, communities and country. There is no excuse for a person who would countenance the hate speech spoken from a so called Christian pulpit, regardless of race, or of social standing. Such ideology cripples the human spirit. In your unfounded support of Obama, your anarchism and your cynicism are apparent; yet, one part of you has gravitated to his nebulous hope propaganda. Now that he is being placed under the microscope of public scrutiny, it becomes more apparent each day, that he is not congruent with his message. This lack of congruence, reflects not character, but opportunism and self-serving pragmatism.
I, for one, will not vote for Obama, because he lacks experience in a very substantive way. I sense that the White House, if Obama is in it, would be
a very busy place for secretaries and long term staff. He is the cardboard cake in the bakery window. Window dressing for the psyche of America.
I, for one, am not that sick, and many others are with me. We don’t need
a savior mentality, or a hope mentality or a post-racial racist, especially now. We do not need as a nation a person who gladhands those who would oppress women through the imposition of Sharia Law. A vote for Obama would be one giant step in an irreversible direction for America.
You, however would be more affected than me. The snake will swallow his tail first.

vonay

I received a letter from the DNC asking for donations. I filled it out marke a big 0 for the amount and told them I wasn’t supporting them anymore because of them stealing the 4 delegates from Hillary and giving them to Obama along with ALL the undecided votes.. I also told them my contributions and vote would go to McCain because of them “selecting” Obama and screwing Hillary.
vonay

I wonder if the Obamabots realize their donations have gone to give Michelle a makeover?
What a waste of donations. You might clean up the outside but all that racist, angry, anti american $hit is still inside.

http://deleted AnninCa

vonay….the funniest story of the week (I think we need a funny story contest, btw) was how Cindy McCain one-upped Michelle.

I howled!

Michelle is getting dished on badly for her View appearance.

There’s Cindy, in fatigue pants, kissing babies and talking about world issues.

It was just too good for words.

A picture told a 1000 words this week.

Cindy ……..homerun.
Michelle……still the sad sack.

alee21

Do you have the link to Cindy McCain?

http://deleted AnninCa

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-19-cindy-mccain-vietnam_N.htm?csp=34

Babs

Steve 10:35

Am with you and your friends 100%. As far as I am concerned, the D behind Obama’s name stands for deceit, dishonor, and disenfranchisement, and I am planning on not only voting for McCain but also all the down ticket Repubs whose opponents supported Obama.
How sad that Dems have to help in the election of a Republican President to bring democracy back to the “Democratic” Party. But if we don’t do it this year, our time will have passed, and that is something I don’t want to even think about. Dean and Brazile have got to go NOW. PUMA.
ea

There is some discussion in the Sunday morning thread at http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/ about where to donate money. One of the suggestions is to start a Hillary Leadership Foundation, another is an alternative convention.
Susan1968

As of Friday, Obama’s fundraising efforts will hit another wall.

His FLIPFLOP on FISA immunity has the left wing of the DNC going crazy.

These are the Porgressive “High Information” Democrats who still brag to this day that they knocked Gore out by voting for Nader in 2000.

These are the people who vilified the Clintons all over th enet because they hate centrists.

In one week Obama flipflopped on them:

FISA, NAFTA, Campiagn Finance reform.

But FISA was the final blow. I went to Salon.com and there are 20 pages of comments by outraged progressives saying they will stop donating to him. Some say they will not vote for him. Same thing is happening on every lefty progressive blog.

They are going crazy over this — they really beleived in the Hope and Change BS.

And here is the cherry on top:

MOVEON.COM IS DEMANDING OBAMA KEEP HIS WORD AND LEAD THE FISA FILLIBUSTER.

Here’s the letter they’re circulating:

http://pol.moveon.org/immunity/080621obama.html

LOL! MoveOn has turned on their precious!!!

And you KNOW he will not fillibuster. And you know why — Pelosi and Reid knew about the illegal wire taps. This bill protects them from prosecution.

They only better gift we can hope for is that Hillary votes against FISA to rub it in the progressives faces: “See? You could have had me.”

As of Friday, her office told Newsday she has not decided how she will vote yet.

As of Friday

http://deleted AnninCa

I saw that, too.

Moveon.org is embarassing him with this petition. He’s made his decision public.

Now, he’s pretty much screwed either way he goes.

http://www.obama-wire.com D

Obama’s campaign is in trouble!

http://www.obama-wire.com
Linda C.

When Howard Dean had his fund raising bonanza the dems saw the cash cow and put him in charge. However, that cash cow didn’t translate to money for the DNC. They are doing the same thing again with Obama. The supporters of Dean and the supporters of Obama are not supporters of the DNC. They were and are candidate specific in their backing.

There is a definite problem in that Hillary Clinton fund raisers are not supporting Barak Obama even after Senator Clinton endorsed him. Even though there are always some bruising primaries, this is the first time that I can recall that this has happened. Thus whatever has been going on behind the scenes in DNC land had to be much worse than what we peeps are seeing.
Chicago Joe

We can only hope that he has peaked in the polls, and that a downward trend becomes apparent to the gutless super-delegates who were too greedy to support the better candidate openly. I am actually kind of shocked that he did these two key flip-flops in one week, and unmasked this embarassingly arrogant and self-indulgent mockery of the presidential shield so early in the general. Honestly, what will it take for super-delegates to realize they can move to Hillary and correct this very dangerous mistake?
catherine

The only way to get the DNC to understand how angry we are that they selected the nominee is to not give them a penny. Money is what they understand. Period. I gave to Hillary’s campaign but will not give a red cent to Obama or the DNC. Not now not ever.
http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

I got a letter in the mail from that person. Maybe he was begging for money, I don’t know. I never read it. I tore it up and threw it right in the trash. But, on the bright side, I do recycle!

McCain’s message should be: “Everytime you see an Obama ad, remember that money comes from MoveOn, the ultra-left wing sect who slandered General Petraeus.” Obama ad = MoveOn.
YoNoForObama

I just went to Ed O’Reilly’s site and contributed the little I could ($25) to help defeat John Kerry. Please, if some of you could only afford $5 do it so that we can send Kerry a BIG message. You want to play hardball with us Kerry, well so can we!
YoNoForObama

How do I know that if I contribute to Hillary at http://www.HillaryClinton.com that the money I contribute won’t go towards that fraud? From what I’ve read, and mind you I haven’t gone there because it would be too depressing, the plastic Jesus and Hillary are now joined at the hip on her website.

I have no problem contributing to Hillary as long as I know for sure that money is going to help her retire her campaign debt and not into Obambi’s or Howard’s DNC coffers. That I refuse to do.
YoNoForObama

Have you thought about this: if the city of Denver is pissed because the big, huge Democratic convention was going to be there this year and now it’s not, how are the people of the state of Colorado going to feel? They were proud that the convention was going to be in their Mile High city of Denver and how many people was that convention going to employ? Now that the convention is most likely going to be in Chicago I’m not so sure there won’t be a backlash. Obambi was thinking he was going to take the state of Colorado in the GE but it was a maybe, wasn’t it. Hey it might go RED as in McCain if they’re mad enough. I’m sure as a state they feel dissed and who knows how that may turn out in the end for the plastic Jesus.

Kevin

After a good look at the brownshirts I would sum up Denver as breathing a sigh of relief. We had Kerry’s “Reporting for Duty” in boston and the supposed economic benefit was illusory, the powers that be don’t exactly go to cheers and walk the freedom trail, they might encounter, you know, people, and might have to talk to them (shudder). And yes I have given money to Ed O’Reilly.

http://deleted AnninCa

Whatever makes you feel better, Democrat. The fact is that he broke his written pledge and then blamed McCain.

I and many people don’t respect that in a man.
http://deleted AnninCa

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

By the way, Gallup polls have McCain today within 2 points of Obama in the GE.
beebop

In November 2007, Obama answered “Yes” to Common Cause when asked “If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?”

Parse this any way you want silly bot. First president since NIXON not to take public financing. There’s a great sentence for you. I don’t even have to understand 527′s to figure that one out. Just the name I want to be in the same sentence with, don’t you? NIXON and OBAMA. Perfect if you ask me.

By the way, it’s not playing well. Even the most liberal of all media — NY Times, Washington Post — criticize the move. On boards of oblowme supporters, some are asking for their money back. How you feeling about FISA? NAFTA? hahahahahahahahhahahaha. Biggest phoney since silicone inplants.
typical irishman

Isn’t that odd now. All Polls show McCain got a large boost in the polls when he announced he was for opening up MORE offshore drilling in order to increase the American petroleum out-put. Naaah, Obama loses to Mac-the knife-even if Obama brings a gun (BEEBEE) to the fight as he has stated. Obama is just about out of gas–LITTERALY .
http://deleted AnninCa

People are ready for the off-shore drilling, apparently. (Not in my state, of course….CA)
typical irishman

PERFECT SLOGAN BEEBOP, –NIX OBAMA,:).
http://deleted AnninCa

Vote the Rascals Out….no contradiction with my point.

And the Newsweek poll is a joke, bud…get a clue.
Democrat

Yep, as I said above, the Newsweek poll is an outlier. You can throw the extreme poll results out from both end and Obama’s lead is steady or growing in the poll averages.

And the congressional generic ballot’s looking great.

But you don’t have to go by polls. Look at the three Republican seats lost in special election.
typical irishman

Yeah, if we have it I think we should get it (petroleum). Drilling has been going on in the Gulf of Mexico for years now. I do not see where there has been any great damage to our ecosystem here in Texas. However there is a much broader area that could be opened up in the Gulf for drilling. If we don’t the foriegn companies will [drill] in our own back yard (so to speak). That could lead to a dangerous situation in itself. If any state does not want to allow drilling , then maybe they should be willing to pay more than the average. Not that I would wish that on anyone but I believe one of our major national security risks rest on our refusal to do more drilling in proven fields and more exploratory drilling too.