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		<dc:creator>week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Блеск.</description>
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		<title>By: Кошка</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1255493</link>
		<dc:creator>Кошка</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Автор, у тебя записи никто не крадет c блога? А то меня достали уже - тырят и тырят. Только тем и занимаюсь что нахожу их...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Автор, у тебя записи никто не крадет c блога? А то меня достали уже &#8211; тырят и тырят. Только тем и занимаюсь что нахожу их&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tzada</title>
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		<dc:creator>tzada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Commodities, stocks and foreign currencies all rise as investors sell dollars.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. dollar reached its lowest point against the euro this year due to a myriad of forces including rising global stocks and commodities prices, low interest rates, and investors diversifying out of Treasury debt and into other assets including U.S. stocks with the Dow Jones industrial average approaching 9500 in late afternoon trading.

Stocks in Asia and Europe saw big gains, and gold topped $1,000 an ounce. (See “Stocks, Commodities Rally After Long Weekend.“) Oil also gained 4.9%, or $3.31, to $71.33, on the New York Mercantile Exchange, due in part to Goldman Sachs affirming its year-long outlook. By midday trading one euro traded for $1.45, meanwhile the Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against a basket of currencies, fell to its lowest level since September of 2008.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/08/dollar-euro-imf-markets-currencies-united-nations.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Commodities, stocks and foreign currencies all rise as investors sell dollars.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>The U.S. dollar reached its lowest point against the euro this year due to a myriad of forces including rising global stocks and commodities prices, low interest rates, and investors diversifying out of Treasury debt and into other assets including U.S. stocks with the Dow Jones industrial average approaching 9500 in late afternoon trading.</p>
<p>Stocks in Asia and Europe saw big gains, and gold topped $1,000 an ounce. (See “Stocks, Commodities Rally After Long Weekend.“) Oil also gained 4.9%, or $3.31, to $71.33, on the New York Mercantile Exchange, due in part to Goldman Sachs affirming its year-long outlook. By midday trading one euro traded for $1.45, meanwhile the Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against a basket of currencies, fell to its lowest level since September of 2008.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/08/dollar-euro-imf-markets-currencies-united-nations.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/08/dollar-euro-imf-markets-currencies-united-nations.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1253338</link>
		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rush to by cars during the cash for clunkers idiocy, will be offset by the corresponding depression in the auto market that&#039;s destined to follow. It will balance out....but not quite. The destruction of the running and usable clunkers represents a net loss in tangible wealth. The whole cash for clunkers nonsense is quite simply an apotheosis of the &quot;Broken window fallacy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rush to by cars during the cash for clunkers idiocy, will be offset by the corresponding depression in the auto market that&#8217;s destined to follow. It will balance out&#8230;.but not quite. The destruction of the running and usable clunkers represents a net loss in tangible wealth. The whole cash for clunkers nonsense is quite simply an apotheosis of the &#8220;Broken window fallacy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1253323</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFLMAO!!

Perfect timing, Doc99. The bot Czar is over on the &quot;Paglia&quot; thread, counting the number of healthcare bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFLMAO!!</p>
<p>Perfect timing, Doc99. The bot Czar is over on the &#8220;Paglia&#8221; thread, counting the number of healthcare bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc99</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1253318</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, Ferd. Soon we&#039;ll need a &lt;a href=&quot;http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/thumb/7/76/The_Count%27s_Countdown_%28CD%29.jpeg/300px-The_Count%27s_Countdown_%28CD%29.jpeg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Counting Czar.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Ferd. Soon we&#8217;ll need a <a href="http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/thumb/7/76/The_Count%27s_Countdown_%28CD%29.jpeg/300px-The_Count%27s_Countdown_%28CD%29.jpeg" rel="nofollow"> Counting Czar.</a></p>
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		<title>By: tango</title>
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		<dc:creator>tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As what happened with cash for clunkers. I figure the majority of buyers did not need the rebate to buy a car. They might have taken advantage of it and bought a more expensive car then they would&#039;ve bought if they didn&#039;t have the rebate, but lending standards are such right now that the person has to have good credit and ability to pay back the loan. As such, many could have afforded to buy a car before the program started but choose not to.  But once it was advertised &quot;$3500-$4500 FREE money towards buying a new car. Just trade in an old clunker&quot; then buyers rushed in. So much that government found the program so popular they had to allocate another $2 billion dollars to fund it. 

So tell people they can get &quot;free&quot; healthcare just by filling out some paperwork and you can bet people will rush in to join up. Marketing 101 proves that the majority of people are swayed towards choosing a &quot;free&quot; anything when given a choice rather than paying a small amount for a better deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As what happened with cash for clunkers. I figure the majority of buyers did not need the rebate to buy a car. They might have taken advantage of it and bought a more expensive car then they would&#8217;ve bought if they didn&#8217;t have the rebate, but lending standards are such right now that the person has to have good credit and ability to pay back the loan. As such, many could have afforded to buy a car before the program started but choose not to.  But once it was advertised &#8220;$3500-$4500 FREE money towards buying a new car. Just trade in an old clunker&#8221; then buyers rushed in. So much that government found the program so popular they had to allocate another $2 billion dollars to fund it. </p>
<p>So tell people they can get &#8220;free&#8221; healthcare just by filling out some paperwork and you can bet people will rush in to join up. Marketing 101 proves that the majority of people are swayed towards choosing a &#8220;free&#8221; anything when given a choice rather than paying a small amount for a better deal.</p>
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		<title>By: hokma</title>
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		<dc:creator>hokma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In certain cases employers still pick up the entire cost and employees pay nothing. In other cases I said people pay relatively little. What I should have said is that they pay relatively little of the entire cost. 

In a competitive market, when an industry is so heavily regulated that it prohibits competition, it permits industry leaders to charge as much as they want. The way the industry is is the way the big insurance conglomerates want it. It is to their benefit.

What Obama and his allies are doing is misguidingly telling people that the only other option for competition is a government run plan. That is a lie. What they want is to nationalize as many indsutries as they can and healthcare is the biggest. 

If you take away state mandates and eliminate all interstate regulations, then competition will dramatically reduce insurance premiums because lower costs providers working on lower profit margins will force that. It will also lead to better policies without precondition stipulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In certain cases employers still pick up the entire cost and employees pay nothing. In other cases I said people pay relatively little. What I should have said is that they pay relatively little of the entire cost. </p>
<p>In a competitive market, when an industry is so heavily regulated that it prohibits competition, it permits industry leaders to charge as much as they want. The way the industry is is the way the big insurance conglomerates want it. It is to their benefit.</p>
<p>What Obama and his allies are doing is misguidingly telling people that the only other option for competition is a government run plan. That is a lie. What they want is to nationalize as many indsutries as they can and healthcare is the biggest. </p>
<p>If you take away state mandates and eliminate all interstate regulations, then competition will dramatically reduce insurance premiums because lower costs providers working on lower profit margins will force that. It will also lead to better policies without precondition stipulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1253259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not make it easy for his bots to count and make it an even 100? Oh, most of them have six fingers. Never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not make it easy for his bots to count and make it an even 100? Oh, most of them have six fingers. Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1253247</link>
		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must also wonder, how will he fund the 53 new governmental agencies required to feed this pig of a bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must also wonder, how will he fund the 53 new governmental agencies required to feed this pig of a bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc99</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/32016/keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet/#comment-1253227</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milton Friedman identified the problem 30 yrs ago - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pey_tNXviLM&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Third Party Payors.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milton Friedman identified the problem 30 yrs ago &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pey_tNXviLM&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow"> Third Party Payors.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apt analogy felizarte.

Sorry Linda, but America-hating Matt Taibi and statist Bill Moyers aren&#039;t people I look to for answers to this problem.

Government collusion with the insurance industry has brought us the system we currently have.  And guess what?  They&#039;re at it again!  

As someone here (WMDB -- not sure if the letters are correct) talked about on other HC threads, there&#039;s a no-insurance chain of primary care clinics cropping up which started in Seattle called Qliance.  It was started with the needs of the working poor in mind.  Check it out.  

http://www.qliance.com/index.html

Now THIS is my idea of reform and neither the government nor the insurance industry is involved in bringing this innovation to healthcare consumers.

Access to something like Qliance along with an HSA (Health Savings Account) or some other kind of catastrophic plan could provide good, affordable coverage that many people would find acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apt analogy felizarte.</p>
<p>Sorry Linda, but America-hating Matt Taibi and statist Bill Moyers aren&#8217;t people I look to for answers to this problem.</p>
<p>Government collusion with the insurance industry has brought us the system we currently have.  And guess what?  They&#8217;re at it again!  </p>
<p>As someone here (WMDB &#8212; not sure if the letters are correct) talked about on other HC threads, there&#8217;s a no-insurance chain of primary care clinics cropping up which started in Seattle called Qliance.  It was started with the needs of the working poor in mind.  Check it out.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.qliance.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.qliance.com/index.html</a></p>
<p>Now THIS is my idea of reform and neither the government nor the insurance industry is involved in bringing this innovation to healthcare consumers.</p>
<p>Access to something like Qliance along with an HSA (Health Savings Account) or some other kind of catastrophic plan could provide good, affordable coverage that many people would find acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: LDW</title>
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		<dc:creator>LDW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re worried about what healthcare reform would cost, you should consider that Americans are already paying way too much. Other Western democracies set limits to the amounts insurance companies can charge, and/or they have a single payer government run system. Other Western democracies bargain with healthproviders and drug companies to set reasonable prices. The problem with what Obama seems to have been suggesting so far is that the legislation will let insurance and drug companies and health providers decide what they want to charge and the government will not bargain, because the prices are supposedly kept in check by &#039;competition&#039;. This is nonsense, and the various medical insurance companies, the drug companies and the health providers have mostly been making obscene profits and rationing service.


It&#039;s time Americans got value for the money. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, in 1999, the average American family spent $5,791 on health insurance: in 2008 this has risen to $12,680.


According to OECD figures, Americans spend more than twice the amount on healthcare as other countries, and Americans are not any healthier and don&#039;t live longer than people in countries who spend half of what Americans spend. Americans just have to start having the money they pay out actually go towards healthcare, and not to buy foreign villas and domestic palaces and stuff the Cayman Island bank accounts of the insurance and drug executives.

National per capita spending on healthcare, 2007
United States: $7,290 
Norway: $4,763 
Switzerland: $4,417 
Luxembourg: $4,162 
Canada: $3,895 
Austria: $3,761 
France: $3,601 
Germany: $3,588 
Netherlands: $3,527 
Belgium: $3,462
OECD average: $2,964 


Life expectancy for these nations, 2006
United States: 78.1 
Norway: 80.6 
Switzerland: 81.7 
Luxembourg: 79.4 
Canada: 80.7 
Austria: 79.9 
France: 80.7 
Germany: 79.8 
Netherlands: 79.8 
Belgium: 79.5 

Number of practicing physicians in these nations, per 1,000 people, 2007
United States: 2.43 
Norway: 3.86 
Switzerland: 3.85 
Luxembourg: 2.87 
Canada: 2.18 
Austria: 3.75 
France: 3.37 
Germany: 3.50 
Netherlands: 3.93
Belgium: 4.03
 

Infant mortality, deaths per 1,000 live births, 2006
United States: 6.7 
Norway: 3.2 
Switzerland: 4.4 
Luxembourg: 2.5 
Canada: 5.0 
Austria: 3.6 
France: 3.8 
Germany: 3.8 
Netherlands: 4.4 
Belgium: 3.7 
(Source:  Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development)


Amenable mortality rate, preventable deaths per 100,000 people, 2002-2003
United States: 110 
Norway: 80 
Switzerland: N/A 
Luxembourg: N/A 
Canada: 77 
Austria: 84 
France: 65 
Germany: 90 
Netherlands: 82 
Belgium: N/A 
(Source:  The Commonwealth Fund)


Estimated number of deaths in the United States from lack of health insurance, 2006: 22,000
(Source:  The Urban Institute)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re worried about what healthcare reform would cost, you should consider that Americans are already paying way too much. Other Western democracies set limits to the amounts insurance companies can charge, and/or they have a single payer government run system. Other Western democracies bargain with healthproviders and drug companies to set reasonable prices. The problem with what Obama seems to have been suggesting so far is that the legislation will let insurance and drug companies and health providers decide what they want to charge and the government will not bargain, because the prices are supposedly kept in check by &#8216;competition&#8217;. This is nonsense, and the various medical insurance companies, the drug companies and the health providers have mostly been making obscene profits and rationing service.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time Americans got value for the money. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, in 1999, the average American family spent $5,791 on health insurance: in 2008 this has risen to $12,680.</p>
<p>According to OECD figures, Americans spend more than twice the amount on healthcare as other countries, and Americans are not any healthier and don&#8217;t live longer than people in countries who spend half of what Americans spend. Americans just have to start having the money they pay out actually go towards healthcare, and not to buy foreign villas and domestic palaces and stuff the Cayman Island bank accounts of the insurance and drug executives.</p>
<p>National per capita spending on healthcare, 2007<br />
United States: $7,290<br />
Norway: $4,763<br />
Switzerland: $4,417<br />
Luxembourg: $4,162<br />
Canada: $3,895<br />
Austria: $3,761<br />
France: $3,601<br />
Germany: $3,588<br />
Netherlands: $3,527<br />
Belgium: $3,462<br />
OECD average: $2,964 </p>
<p>Life expectancy for these nations, 2006<br />
United States: 78.1<br />
Norway: 80.6<br />
Switzerland: 81.7<br />
Luxembourg: 79.4<br />
Canada: 80.7<br />
Austria: 79.9<br />
France: 80.7<br />
Germany: 79.8<br />
Netherlands: 79.8<br />
Belgium: 79.5 </p>
<p>Number of practicing physicians in these nations, per 1,000 people, 2007<br />
United States: 2.43<br />
Norway: 3.86<br />
Switzerland: 3.85<br />
Luxembourg: 2.87<br />
Canada: 2.18<br />
Austria: 3.75<br />
France: 3.37<br />
Germany: 3.50<br />
Netherlands: 3.93<br />
Belgium: 4.03</p>
<p>Infant mortality, deaths per 1,000 live births, 2006<br />
United States: 6.7<br />
Norway: 3.2<br />
Switzerland: 4.4<br />
Luxembourg: 2.5<br />
Canada: 5.0<br />
Austria: 3.6<br />
France: 3.8<br />
Germany: 3.8<br />
Netherlands: 4.4<br />
Belgium: 3.7<br />
(Source:  Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development)</p>
<p>Amenable mortality rate, preventable deaths per 100,000 people, 2002-2003<br />
United States: 110<br />
Norway: 80<br />
Switzerland: N/A<br />
Luxembourg: N/A<br />
Canada: 77<br />
Austria: 84<br />
France: 65<br />
Germany: 90<br />
Netherlands: 82<br />
Belgium: N/A<br />
(Source:  The Commonwealth Fund)</p>
<p>Estimated number of deaths in the United States from lack of health insurance, 2006: 22,000<br />
(Source:  The Urban Institute)</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Linda.  I have no problem with any company making a decent profit.  But should our health = the profit the insurance companies make.

Sorry, but I don&#039;t think so.

hokma made a statement yesterday that he/she was paying somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000 @ month for a decent family healthcare insurance.  The median wage of the &quot;ordinary American worker&quot; is in the $50,000 range. If you&#039;re paying $20,000+ coverage and making $55,000 per annum, you&#039;re already on the ropes. 

He/she also made some ridiculous comment that the average American worker pays nothing or relatively little for healthcare coverage [that is, if the coverage is available].

&quot;&quot;In the U.S. “ordinary working people” are have health insurance through their employer and either pay nothing or relatively little.&quot;

Well, hello!  My husband and I make more than the median.  But not so much we&#039;d be considered &quot;rich.&quot;  

We pay $6800 + per annum on our own [though the price keeps going up every year] and put another $3000+ in a personal health savings account to pickup all the things our insurance package does not cover. The company my husband works for chips in, too.  In fact, it matches.  That&#039;s in the neighborhood of $17,000 per year, a fairly substantial chunk of change.  

Sorry, but I don&#039;t consider that free or relatively nothing. But at the same time, we consider ourselves fortunate: because at the moment, we can still afford the premiums. 

I could cut our costs by going to managed care, but we had a catastrophic event with one of our kids ten years ago.  My son would not have received the therapies he needed under an HMO plan.  And the final cost? It would have left us bankrupt.

Even with our package, I spent more time on the phone after my son&#039;s injury fighting with insurance clerks than I care to remember. Why?  They tried to nickel and dime us to death, insisting that certain treatments fell outside the insurance coverage.  That was BS.  For those without an advocate?  You&#039;re up a damn creek without a paddle.

So, we&#039;re still carrying the upgraded package out of sheer fear.  The premiums keep going up and coverage keeps shrinking.

This is not a system that works! And for families who cannot afford the price, you&#039;re dead in the water [no pun intended]. In fact, if my husband and I lost our employment, we too would lose coverage.

I have no problem with insurance companies making a profit.  But there&#039;s a good, solid profit, and then there&#039;s an obscene profit.  And when it&#039;s done on the backs of ordinary Americans, I say enough is enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Linda.  I have no problem with any company making a decent profit.  But should our health = the profit the insurance companies make.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>hokma made a statement yesterday that he/she was paying somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000 @ month for a decent family healthcare insurance.  The median wage of the &#8220;ordinary American worker&#8221; is in the $50,000 range. If you&#8217;re paying $20,000+ coverage and making $55,000 per annum, you&#8217;re already on the ropes. </p>
<p>He/she also made some ridiculous comment that the average American worker pays nothing or relatively little for healthcare coverage [that is, if the coverage is available].</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;In the U.S. “ordinary working people” are have health insurance through their employer and either pay nothing or relatively little.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, hello!  My husband and I make more than the median.  But not so much we&#8217;d be considered &#8220;rich.&#8221;  </p>
<p>We pay $6800 + per annum on our own [though the price keeps going up every year] and put another $3000+ in a personal health savings account to pickup all the things our insurance package does not cover. The company my husband works for chips in, too.  In fact, it matches.  That&#8217;s in the neighborhood of $17,000 per year, a fairly substantial chunk of change.  </p>
<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t consider that free or relatively nothing. But at the same time, we consider ourselves fortunate: because at the moment, we can still afford the premiums. </p>
<p>I could cut our costs by going to managed care, but we had a catastrophic event with one of our kids ten years ago.  My son would not have received the therapies he needed under an HMO plan.  And the final cost? It would have left us bankrupt.</p>
<p>Even with our package, I spent more time on the phone after my son&#8217;s injury fighting with insurance clerks than I care to remember. Why?  They tried to nickel and dime us to death, insisting that certain treatments fell outside the insurance coverage.  That was BS.  For those without an advocate?  You&#8217;re up a damn creek without a paddle.</p>
<p>So, we&#8217;re still carrying the upgraded package out of sheer fear.  The premiums keep going up and coverage keeps shrinking.</p>
<p>This is not a system that works! And for families who cannot afford the price, you&#8217;re dead in the water [no pun intended]. In fact, if my husband and I lost our employment, we too would lose coverage.</p>
<p>I have no problem with insurance companies making a profit.  But there&#8217;s a good, solid profit, and then there&#8217;s an obscene profit.  And when it&#8217;s done on the backs of ordinary Americans, I say enough is enough!</p>
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		<title>By: AF catfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The narcissist I know ... often offers to lend people money, and over time people realize they end up further in debt when they agree to borrow from this person.

It&#039;s by design. Further debt means people are even more dependent on this innocent-seeming narcissist. And the narcissist gets to berate the dependents for being irresponsible. And gets to roll the eyes and ask &quot;why am I the only one&quot; who has it all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The narcissist I know &#8230; often offers to lend people money, and over time people realize they end up further in debt when they agree to borrow from this person.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s by design. Further debt means people are even more dependent on this innocent-seeming narcissist. And the narcissist gets to berate the dependents for being irresponsible. And gets to roll the eyes and ask &#8220;why am I the only one&#8221; who has it all together.</p>
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