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Freedom from the Press

Move over, discarded Fourth Amendment. You have company.

For those of you alarmed by Senator Obama’s surprising support for this FISA debacle and his abandonment of the principles of privacy and constitutional law enshrined in the 4th Amendment this may not come as much of a surprise. It seems that Senator Obama has very little regard to the First Amendment too.

Obama’s Unprecedented Attack on Free Speech – Mechanisms and Results [Supplemented]

For many months now, Obama has run a campaign that has as its centerpiece the control and manipulation of the media, and the elimination of free speech. This began as a methodology designed to control the Internet. And moved to the main stream media very quickly.

I can hear my detractors.

Come on Pagan. Get over it. You are just one of those bitter, clingy white people that has nothing better to do than criticize Obama. Barack is the reincarnation of Thomas Jefferson. Liberty means everything to him. Obama represents the new politics of hope and change.”

And you would be wrong. Because Obama has systematically stifled free speech, crafted a very calculated false message and has stamped out any efforts to bring about an open and fair discussion of the issues.

Taking their cue from totalitarian regimes, Obama developed his own propaganda arm which spewed facts and figures to the media and made false claims designed to keep controversial issues dealing with the candidate off of the main stream media. At the same time, Obama attacked in merciless ways those who voiced opposition on various Internet systems and sources, including the media who dared to question him, and has now stopped debates in favor of tuning his message against McCain again with the help of completely compliant media.

As merely one example of spewing false facts and figures take a look at the latest Obama ad making it’s way across the country.

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The most immediate lie is that his grandparents didn’t have much money. His grandfather managed a large furniture store and his grandmother was the Vice President of a bank. From where I come from we don’t refer to such people as exactly poor. Not as Obama would have you believe. Maybe after sending Barky to all those elite prep schools they weren’t exactly wealthy. But they could sure afford to send him.

The next and most glaring lie is that Barky passed a law that “extended healthcare for wounded troops.” The fact is that he missed the vote that passed this law. He wasn’t even in the Senate at the time the vote was taken. And yet he has the audacity to claim that he passed a law.

This is typical of the Obama campaign. They create these myths that sound good and attribute to their candidate whose myth sounds good too. But not a word of it is true. In fact they are blatant lies. But where are the journalists that should be examining and exposing these falsehoods? They are in the pocket of the Obama campaign.

Obama communication and voting control systems designed to eliminate free speech rank at the pinnacle of Obama’s attack on free speech. These include the following important free speech elements without which media, voters, and all in the world fail to understand the truth and could ultimately have no more opportunity to voice their differences and views than those in totalitarian regimes.

So how did he manage to do this? Simple. He claimed bias and racism any time someone said something less than generous about himself. And in certain cases his campaign enlisted the help of complicit bloggers to complain so loudly that the media had to take action.

In January 2008, CNN succumbed to pressure from the Obama campaign and told James Carville, Paul Begala, and Robert Zimmerman that they would not be used again until the Democratic nomination had taken place.

With Carville and Begala out of the way, two Obama friendly commentators were brought in. Both in fact very closely aligned with the Obama campaign: Roland Martin and Paula Brazile. So no more criticism of Obama was allowed on CNN. Only the Obama positive message was permitted. Does this remind anyone else of regimes that carefully tailor the message of the Great Leader?

The next step was removing anyone that was not a supporter from Obama rallies. This is the same method employed by George Bush. In fact I experienced this type of censorship myself when I was denied entrance to a Bush campaign rally when the organizers discovered I was not a Republican.

With a system identical to that employed by George Bush, Obama denied other supporters from being able to attend a rally on a state university and has sustained that approach time after time. The method was recorded on video and remains one of the only documents showing how Obama manipulated crowds.

Other events similarly controlled the message. For example, in New Hampshire an agreement to prevent marchers in front of an arena was forged by Obama in exchange for a no-picketing agreement, effectively controlling speech both ways.

And to seal the deal the Obama campaign, in conjunction with the Democratic elite establishment, declared that any attacks upon Obama that could be used against the presumptive nominee in a general election were forbidden. Thus they could justify character assassination upon Hillary Clinton who dared to speak the truth and point out Obama’s deficiencies.

This explains why the media largely remained silent to the continual misogynist attacks against Hillary and her supporters. A silence that remains unto this day. It was a carefully crafted strategy that required the acquiescence of the DNC, the media and the Obama campaign. And unfortunately for our country, they all went along with it.

In cases where they were unable to fully quash free speech they relied upon an equally effective and devastating strategy: Political Correctness. This was taken to such extreme measures that the lie outpaced the obvious truth. Remember Bill Clinton’s “fairy tale” comments. It didn’t matter that a video existed that showed clearly what Bill was referring to. The distorted message became the reported message and the rest is history.

In addition to mechanics which ensured victory and the concomittant diminution in free speech occasioned by such mechanisms, Obama and his supporters used political correctness as a by word for any attack on Obama and his views. They ranged deep and wide, but the most pernicious attacks were those claiming personal racism based on statements that had nothing to do with racism, and on the wild claims that ended the current campaign, suggesting that Hillary Clinton was calling for someone to kill Obama because of her reference to Bobby Kennedy.

The final nail in the coffin came when the Obama campaign decided that they were going to claim victory before the last two primaries had even taken place. And the media bought the bullshit hook, line and sinker. The message before the results even came in on June 4th was that Obama had already received enough delegates to claim the nomination. The fact that this claim was unsubstantiated meant nothing. It became the message and it all we heard about. Nothing like drowning out a free discussion of the facts to hoodwink the masses.

I had thought that maybe, just maybe after George Bush left office, that we would see a return to a respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. But instead we are becoming more aware day by day how Obama is chipping away at the basic freedoms we have taken for granted for the past 217 years. Freedoms that too many Americans sacrificed their lives for.

In Obama We Trust.

When a man becomes the Nation, we have Stalin.

  • roseeriter

    Maybe a new third party seriously needs to step in big time. I’m thinking Nader-at least he’s been consistent with fighting the corporations and the duplicity of Dems and Repubs.

    NOBAMA!

  • mpr

    Keep up the honesty Pagan! Appreciate your standing on top of this!

    EMPTYSUIT is an absolute shitbird!

  • JP49

    PaganPower Great article and I agree completely. Can you send the same to Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity. I think as far as television is concerned that that is it. Even Bill Moyers seems to be in the tank for Obama. Poor Tavis Smiley probably wouldn’t be able to put it on air since they are trying to finishing him off already. It is despicable and lawsuits need to be filed against the media. I don’t know but does this qualify for subversion of government?

  • JP49

    Nader is a Palestinian and I think he would be more aligned with Obama’s thinking.

  • Bard74Beaker

    Oh, Come on. Nader has been highly critical of corrupt media and critical of Barack Obama.

  • nick

    http://www.sadlyno.com/

    You should have listened to your readers.

    I was one and I appreciated your views.
    I don’t appreciate your hate.

  • Anon22

    You are just the stupidest, saddest person conceivable. You lead with “Senator Obama has very little regard to [sic] the First Amendment” and offer examples of…spin! That’s right, it’s the tool of totalitarian regimes throughout the world, in which you…present the press with facts and arguments that are favorable to your candidacy! When will this tyrant be deposed? When will his reign of vigorously advocating for his own election terror end? He’s out there…making deals with unions! That’s right, he goes to them and says, “We’ll do X for you if you do Y for us.” And the union agrees! Because he forced them to! No, wait…he didn’t. Because he hypnotized its leaders! No, hold on…because he convinced them that it was in their best interests! Disgusting.

    Just…wow. I won’t even bother belaboring the point that all of the actions you’re citing are being undertaken by a political campaign, which is not in fact subject to the First Amendment when it makes decisions about who to let into its rallies or what reporters to seat on the campaign bus, or whatever completely innocuous thing you’re accusing them of. If Obama was already President (don’t worry, it’s not too long to wait now), and he was, like…not letting anyone but his supporters hold rallies in the city of Washington D.C. (I’m not even sure how that would work, really), then maybe you’d have some kind of First Amendment argument. But guess what? Candidates and political parties are in fact protected by the First Amendment in their choice of how to most effectively get their message out. I don’t even see where you’re arguing that it is somehow a bad or even neutral, as opposed to good, thing that Obama staffers fill campaign rallies with Obama supporters. Instead you’re just offering this harebrained freedom of speech nonsense which is completely divorced from anything relating to actual freedom of speech.

  • Anon22

    Just…do you know which one the 4th is? Are you just parroting it because the OP mentions it in relation to something completely different? Are you claiming Obama is…searching Paula Abeles and Larry Sinclair without a warrant? Or stopping them without probable cause? Or wiretapping their phones?

    Go back to high school civics.

  • Jason

    It is axiomatic that when tyranny comes to America it will come from the left.

  • kat in your hat

    This article is dead on.

    Back in January I started getting extra worried about our country. By Feb I stopped watching CNN and MSNBC and by now–by June, I believe that Obama-Media is 100% totalitarian…communist style.

    There has been a total black-out on truth and investigative reporting on Obama, and the Obama-Media is just propaganda…it’s ALL LIES. Anything to make him look good.

    It’s completely shocking and horrifying.

    I’ve never experienced anything more UN-American in my entire life.

    It is THE WORST feeling.

    I think the Obama-Media would continue to LIE and COVER UP for Obama even if he became president.

    I consider Obama a threat to our Nation and our human rights.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    Wow, you’re an angry little person.

  • roseeriter

    troll blah blah blah- Many here have felt the squelch first hand by the Obaminationbots..

    Larry, time for another bot sweep..

    NOBAMA!

  • http://Lynn Spiritof76

    Anon22–you misread what ms. zula said. reread and then reply.

  • click212

    His background is LEBANESE. BTW it has nothing to do with his political views. He has always championed democracy and the rights of citizens. So please get the info first before making absurd comments.

  • http://none Peg

    Wednesday, June 25, 2008
    ABC News & Washington Post Reporters Alter Obama Speech To Cover Gaffe

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/abc-news-washington-post-reports-alter.html

  • http://nocache.homestead.com/nativeamericansagainstobama/index.html timepassages

    I have to agree, the media has been so “for” Obama since the begining. It is a shame but we do not have “news” anymore ,just propaganda…..

    http://nocache.homestead.com/nativeamericansagainstobama/index.html

  • Karen

    About a year into Obama’s election to the Senate, I sent him a letter and asked him as a person who had put himself into the public domain here in Illinois as an expert and champion of the Constitution to join
    people in Congress in holding the Bush Administration
    accountable for their constituional violations. I
    wish I kept that letter so you could publish it, because he told me that the American people did not want him to spend his time on this issue. They had elected him to deal with health care, global warming
    etc.
    The letter said that when Bush got out of office, the problem would be solved without him wasting time on it.
    Not long after that, Obama announced he was running for President which obviously was more important than impeachment or even doing all this important work for the American people… he had other fish to fry. The country and the Constitution were never as important as his personal ambitions. You can apply this to every position he has taken, it was always about putting something on the resume and moving up without ever doing the work most people have to do to climb the ladder of success.
    Last night I was at a Congressional District meeting to organize some of the local campaigns and I over heard the Obama Rep telling a couple of people that they had done focus groups to determine what issues he could walk away from that would not anger their supporters and public campaign financing was one. Most Americans would not care about this issues, he said, and it would only ruffle the feathers of a few progressive groups or a blogger here or there but the guy said, “who else do they have to vote for?” Looks like KOS, Move On and others are going to get what the Hillary people got. Obama doesn’t care for anyone but Obama and power. His people will use whoever they can to win because his arrogance has convinced him that we all have no other choice.

  • Dean in Mi

    I get the feeling that you’re closer to those wonderful high school years than others that post here.

    As a matter of fact, after seeing your posts, are you even out of high school yet? Hmmmm.

    Of course the reference was to the illegal wiretapping of US citizens that Barack Obama now supports. Duh!

  • ea

    I’m pretty sure Nader’s ancestry is Lebonese.

  • K. Wynne

    What the obama worshippers refuse to acknowledge is that, the Progressive Community has always complained that the corporate-owned and controlled media was always protecting and covering up for bush & co. Now, that this same media is doing the very same thing for their messiah, then suddenly the media can be trusted to tell the truth about the candidate?

    What hypocrites! Goebbels pretty much sold Hitler to the German people using the same tactics.

    BO is being protected so that he can advance an agenda, which is being financed by George Soros and God knows who else.

  • cofer
  • roseeriter

    Misogynist Kos and kids deserve to be kicked off the bus as Kos and Dean work together. Kos was a paid shill for Dean back when Dean was running for president..birds of a feather..

    Maybe Larry Sinclair’s limo driver is driving the Obama bus???

  • TeakwoodKite

    Pagan Thanks.

    As evidence I no longer talk about BO to co-workers after being called a racist when I said I was voting for McCain would never vote BO.

    Yes, the Constitution and the 1st is under siege if one is threatened for voicing political opposition.

    I will not fold on this. To many sacrifices have been made to maintain our liberties, I will not trade them for material complacency.

  • click212

    As much as I respect and admire Nader, unless there is an all out effort to make him electable voting for him is just a fart in a hale storm. Been there done that. I dream that Green Peace, Nader and all the other progressive orgs would unite and form one powerful movement and then we could have a chance.

    It is too late in the game. We are all so dispersed not just physically but in a way ideologically and there is always a struggle on the left for who is more righteous and they all get bogged down with that.

    Bite the bullet, hold your nose, vote McCain. After all with the likes of Pelosi and the rest of the hyenas how much can they accomplish. The Roe thing will not happen. It’s just a ploy the DNC is going to throw at us, to “scare” us. Then the Supreme court, hey whatever they do can and will always be challenged. It will be four years of nothing until we can get Senator Clinton to run again. In the interim we will have to deal with the breed of smooth brains that have will be fluttering around Washington for four years. Can it be worse than what we have now? Or can it? You tell me.

  • Anon22

    “I believe this disregard fro [sic] the 4th Amendment is just a starker reminder of the general disregard these people have for freedom of speech.”

    “[G]eneral disregard” for freedom of speech, a principle embodied in which amendment?

    If you said “4th,” congratulations, you have just won a free trip to high school civics!

    I will concede so far as that the post may just be a complete disorganized mess with no connection between its separate sentences or even clauses. If we assume that much, we can tease out that she thinks Obama is bullying Paula Whoever (sorry, I’m not really up on my fringe lunatic quasi-celebrities) and Larry “I’m sitting in jail awaiting trial for fraud” Sinclair. In point of fact, Obama probably doesn’t know who either of them is because he can’t waste time staying up-to-date on every conspiracy theorist and crackpot who makes wild-eyed claims about him. But ok, he’s “bullying.” And that relates to free speech, OK, sorta. And then the FISA and 4th Amendment stuff is just somewhere off to the side in a heap. If she was intending to draw an analogy, she should have…drawn an analogy! Otherwise it’s left looking like she’s making a direct connection between the 4th Amendment and freedom of speech.

    Also…I know Clinton has yet to put out a statement on FISA. I promise you, she’s either in the Rockefeller wing (yay! amnesty for all!) or the Reid-Obama wing (grumble grumble amnesty…but there’s just nothing we can do about it). She won’t be found within a mile of the Dodd-Feingold wing (amnesty is bullshit, and we’re going to filibuster it if we can). If Obama’s support for FISA raises concerns for you that he’s planning to run roughshod over free speech rights when he gets into office, will you be voicing the same concerns about Hillary when she comes out in support of the FISA capitulation?

  • jwrjr

    In a peculiar sort of way, the detractors are right. Criticizing Obama is one of the most important things that we do here. After all, neither the MSM nor the DNC are doing it. And there is much to criticize. But that is important only if you maintain such silly notions as “the good of the country” and “Democrats winning the election”. (Note that “the good of the country” comes first.

  • http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com FloridaDem

    Good heavens! The ‘trons’ have actually come here to read something that defiles their ‘idol’?

    ::::shudder:::::

  • Dean in Mi

    Hmmmm. You need to do some more research. At the very least, read the whole post before commenting.

    I think I will chalk you up as simply a very uninformed voter.

  • JasonG

    Nancy Pelosi is licking her chops over the prospect of an Obama presidency backed up by the biggest legislative assault on the First Amendment ever, inappropriately named the Fairness Doctrine. This wonderful piece of legislation would put the federal government in the position to control editorial content by forcing media to print government approved rebuttal to any editorial critical of government. The effect would be to stifle editorials critical of government. This is all part of the the big scheme for a post democratic America bought for and paid by George Soros.

    The same is happening in Europe where the voters are being increasingly marginalized so that a EU Constitution can finally be enacted that puts power in a permanent class of ruling elites. Der Spiegel said it best in this article http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,561436,00.html that could also be our future. It begins with “Europe’s politicians are determined to avoid asking the people their opinion. And they are right to do so” and ends with “Democracy doesn’t mean having unlimited confidence in citizens. Sometimes the big picture is in better hands when politicians are running it.”

  • BluDawg
  • http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com FloridaDem

    Another misleading item in that Obama ad: It states legislation he passed (or helped pass) but what’s misleading is that it was in ILLINOIS, not in the US Senate. Crap, he barely even showed up in the US Senate.

    http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com

  • Anon22

    Yes, I’m an angry little person. I’m the one who spends all day on tumbledown, ghettoized corners of the Internet spinning increasingly wild stories about Hillary Clinton because I just hate her so much.

    The people who post on this site are a pure coagulation of anger and bitterness. And they will be so much more angry and bitter when Obama kicks their New Best McFriend’s ass and becomes our 44th President.

  • Jack

    Another [Obama] aide appeared at Ellison’s Washington office to explain. “I will never forget the quote,” Ellison said. “He said, ‘We have a very tightly wrapped message.

    Obama has “a very tightly wrapped message.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Obama is a wannabe Che, just like the flags show.

    He is a Bolshevik, a Stalin. He wants no free press.

    “You criticize me and I call you a racist.”

    Barack, you’re an @ss clown. No one’s afraid, no one’s backing down. This isn’t Chicago and we’re not going out like Donald Young.

    If I were Joe Lieberman and he tried that handshake crap with me I would put that guy through a wall and let the Sergeant At Arms scrape him and his frail twig body up.

    Total effing putz.

    You don’t capitulate to chumps like this, you metaphorically bury them.

    Right, Bwak? Bwak, Bwak, Bwak.

    Stick Man likes to reminisce about his days playing hard-core intramural Ivy League hoops.

    I played in those games, too, and let me tell you something: If you got a beanpole like Barack guarding you your eyes lit up.

    An elbow here, a forearm there and you were on your way to scoring 20 easy because Bwak doesn’t want to mix it up.

    Hence his cigarette habit. The lad does not have the nerves for this kind of thing, let alone to be in control of “The Button.”

    I’m about 110% certain that if Barack were sent to the Hanoi Hilton he never makes it out. Certainly not after 5 years.

    What a joke.

  • Dean in Mi

    I understand the math behind the “hold your nose” philosophy, but I can’t vote for a Republican.

    Sorry. Just can’t.

  • Will Smith

    Gallop Poll: McCain 45%, Obama 45% — tied for first time !!!

  • Anon22

    I skimmed the whole, worthless post. I saw such speech-suppressing measures as getting bloggers to complain, allegations of racism, and declaring victory in the primaries. Do you have the slightest clue what actual suppression of speech entails? I’ll give you a hint: actual coercion. People get their legs broken, or they’re forced to pay crippling fines, or they’re thrown in jail. The tactics that OP describes are campaign media management. The Obama campaign said certain things, and sometimes the media picked up his narrative and sometimes it picked up his opponent’s. I know those six weeks or whatever it was of Wright coverage in March and April is all supposed to be part of some Obama plot but, come on…media control? Were you watching the same election as I was? The media likes a horse race, and their coverage at all times was shaped by that bias. That bias actually allowed Hillary to stay credible far past the point (like, three months past the point) where she had a viable path to the nomination.

    But ok, you think I haven’t read the post. Pull an example of speech suppression from it for me. Not an example of the Obama campaign making an argument to the press or to opinion leaders or to voters or to party elders and having that argument accepted based on the strength of the argument itself, but a documented instance in which they in some way suppressed speech.

  • http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com FloridaDem

    Y’know, people like you are a big part of the reason we exist. We are not going to accept bitter, marginalized ‘winners’ in our lives who have identified with a candidate simply because they have never been a ‘winner’ in any other part of their lives before – personally, professionally, or politically. So, as lifelong losers, you now feel empowered because you’ve embraced a candidate with no plan, no history, no real work ethic, and nothing but lies? You won’t even consider questions about the man. You won’t even consider valid concerns. That makes you as bad as any Bush supporter in ’04 – maybe worse since you actually should know better.

    Obama is just another one of ‘you’ except he appears to have ACTUALLY been raised with more privilege than the average American, lived the last 20 years in a hate-filled world, attending a racist church, and has had high profile jobs but never actually did anything.

    Go away, Troll. You make no difference here except to dirty up the room.

  • HARP

    You know so little and know it so fluently.

  • candymarl

    Thank you. I’ve been saying much the same for months. Once upon a time it was called the Corporate Media or SCLM. Until they all started singing Obama’s praises. Oh no, it doesn’t mean their corporate masters are backing Obama. They just suddenly Saw The Light. Okey dokey.

  • http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com FloridaDem

    Any new Rasmussen’s out lately?

  • HARP

    With Carville and Begala out of the way, two Obama friendly commentators were brought in. Both in fact very closely aligned with the Obama campaign: Roland Martin and Paula Brazile. So no more criticism of Obama was allowed on CNN. Only the Obama positive message was permitted. Does this remind anyone else of regimes that carefully tailor the message of the Great Leader?

  • helen

    Just tell people when they cry racism ” that you are not voting for his white half either. That usually shuts them up. What can they say?

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Excellent.

  • http://mmb silverfox

    the “democratic” un-party must be defeated. under the current “leadership” democracy is under siege. basic constitutional rights are being muted and plundered.

    i won’t be voting for kerry here in mass., or any other dem who supported oblahma. on the same note, i will support any dem who stood up for Hillary against oblahma.

    should Hillary be on the ticket, i’m still considering a vote for John Mc. i think the “dem elite “are not above using Sen Clinton in any way they can right now to get the Precious on the throne.

    in my world, there is no Precious on the throne. okeydoke?

  • wac for hillary

    Isn’t it amazing that Anon is the only one who didn’t understand what ms. zula was trying to say.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    On O’Reilly tonight he’s going to talk about how GE (MSNBC’s parent and linked with Newsweek, too, right?) pollutes or polluted the Hudson River.

    Damn. AND they sell to Iran.

    Sounds like the Jeremiah Wright of American companies. Benedict Arnolds.

  • http://www.obama-wire.com Todd

    **NEWS UPDATE**

    Potential VP for Obama Does Business With Iran…

    More Info At: http://WWW.OBAMA-WIRE.COM

  • wac for hillary

    And your point is what?

  • wac for hillary

    What I would like to see happen is Obama gets stomped in the GE by McCain. Then the Clintons and other moderates form a third party, leaving the Democratic and Republican Parties to the radicals on both sides of the coin.

  • http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

    BECAUSE I SPEAK THE TRUTH
    BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH
    BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN
    BECAUSE I LOVE MY COUNTRY
    BECAUSE I WANT EVERY AMERICAN TO HAVE THE POWER TO AQUIRED KNOWLEDGE EVENWHEN THE PAID MEDIA WON’T PUBLISH THE TRUTH (CNN PAID BY OBAMA BOOKING TIME-READ GRETAWIRE FOR MORE ON THAT)

    How about these photos I have come across? I am calling on Obama to address these photos and explain these ties! You can only speak “JUST WORDS” FOR SO LONG BEFORE HONESTY BECOMES AN ISSUE!
    SEE THEM AT
    http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/photosthatneedexplaining.aspx

  • BluDawg

    Voting for Obama is Crazy!

    Don’t sell Crazy here, we’re all stocked up!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO_N4S9Sod4

  • wac for hillary

    How crazy is it that Fox is now providing more complete coverage of the election than the other networks. It’s like we’re in the Twilight Zone.

  • wac for hillary

    But he’s still full of himself.

  • wac for hillary

    To keep Obama out of the White House, I will vote for McCain in a heartbeat.

  • justsomeone

    cofer, Thanks for the WSJ opinion piece on SS taxes. Don Luskin, the author, is a frequent bullish fund manager panalist on Larry Kudlow’s show. His argument in this instance is only cogent for the fairly affluent, i.e. the 150K annual & above crowd. I keep hammering on the fact that Obama’s proposed tax increases will do serious harm to alot of little fish, anyone with a savings account or CD, anyone with a pension, etc Millions of Americans own stock, not just the affluent & Obama will nearly double the tax burden on them. I understand the very poor & indigent voting for Obama, he’s big into wealth redistribution, what I don’t understand is how anyone who believes in personal savings or small investments going his way.

  • wac for hillary

    Yeah, I’m sure the Maytag workers really appreciate all those empty promises Obama made to them. And those women with the headscarves moved off the front row because it wouldn’t look good. More whites, we need more whites on the front row–remember that one. Obama is a fraud, who cares nothing about anyone other than himself. His every action reinforces this. You can get angry because we won’t jump on the unity pony, but it won’t change our minds. Barack Obama is not qualified to be president of the United States.

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    This is one of those “I told you so” things….when I would try to tell people we were loosing our freedom of the press/speech when these things were happening…I was told you are a crazy person…I guess it takes someone who the people are familiar with to get them to believe you and to get the point across….I still want to say it to all who said I was wrong…“I Told You So”You know who you are…Thanks you to PaganPower and newsvine.com….I tip my hat to all who will write about this… now and in the future…

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    Hahahahhaha, you’re funny.

  • ea

    Opps, should be Lebanese. Also, although I have voted for Nader before, I have decided that I want a candidate with some governmental experience–even if it is as a city council(l)or.

  • ea

    Opps –> oops. I think it is time for me to go home.

  • wac for hillary

    We need to call them what they really are–corporate media. Profits are more important than being fair and balanced. I worry they will back the candidate the corporations think they can control the easiest. To me, that would be Barack Obama, not John McCain.

  • wac for hillary

    This is just what they did to protect the bumbling GWB.

  • josgirl

    I think if Obama is elected, you will be the one who ends up bitter and disappointed.
    Just a guess.
    An educated one, though.

  • David

    My thoughts exactly. I would like to see a party of moderates form with members of both parties abandoning the radical elements of left and right.

  • wac for hillary

    Good one.

  • wac for hillary

    That’s what I don’t understand. How can anyone place their Party ahead of their country?

  • cofer

    McCain wants U.S. weaned from foreign oil by 2025 (Obama still has no plan)Reuters

    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2544840420080625

  • Postmaster

    you won’t see the day Obama kick’s McCain’s ass, American’s, I repeat, true Americans are not that stupid! Obviously you have chosen to disregard the thousands of Hillary supporters who will not fall in line. Go Hillary Supporters voting for McCain.

  • Anon22

    That can’t possibly be a response to my request for “an example of speech suppression,” can it? Fine, I’ll bite. Carville and Begala were vocal supporters of Hillary’s campaign. Carville was, in fact, a Hillary adviser. Obama camp complained, got them removed until the end of the primaries. (Did that actually happen, by the way? I feel like I saw them on CNN sometime during the long primary season.) In other words: Obama campaign exercises its right to complain about whoever and whatever it wants, and in this case CNN agrees with their argument and decides it would be better if Carville and Begala didn’t appear.

    Meanwhile, Brazile and Martin. Brazile was a DNC member, and made no endorsement during the primaries. She ended up taking the Obama side on some crucial issues during the primaries, but for the most part that was because the Clinton position had no support within the Party’s rules and/or was, in her judgment, aimed at tearing down Obama to no actual benefit to anyone, including the Clinton campaign. She’s a commentator who is supposed to be taking stands on issues. Inasmuch as she didn’t endorse a candidate, CNN apparently saw no need to take her off the network. Did the Clinton campaign even complain about her? I’ve heard no reports that they did.

    Roland Martin, similar situation. Often favored the Obama position, but did not endorse Obama, as Carville and Begala had endorsed Clinton.

    At most, what you have there is an example of preferential media treatment. I’m a bit skeptical about that; I think the coverage and commentary got balanced in sometimes subtle ways. But assume, arguendo, you’ve got yourself some gen-you-wine media bias there. Where is the speech suppression? The Obama camp used arguments to get CNN to pull Carville and Begala. They didn’t throw CNN producers in jail or kidnap their children. They said “Hey, we think you’re biased! Stop being biased!” And CNN, which was free to say “Yeah, OK, we’ll fix that,” or “Yeah, we are, but you can’t stop us. HILLARY ’08, BITCHES!” or “No, we don’t agree,” chose option #1. Obama camp wins a battle in the media war–they did what campaigns do all the time. What a scandal.

  • Havoc

    I believe that

  • Zeke

    Rule 57 in the Obama is our Master handbook says,
    “There will be no unauthorized reading of the Sacred Texts. Only the Mighty “O” and his priests are allowed to read these tomes. There is too much confusing language which uninitiated minds would misunderstand. Phrases like:
    Government of the People, By the People, For the People, are to be particularly watched for.”

    Any questions?
    Yes, you in the back?
    Take him away…..

  • Postmaster

    Thank you for speaking up and telling it like it really is…………..bwak bwak bwak

  • Zeke

    Possibly that a tightly wrapped message leaves no points to be taken apart. It denies variation from the script. Their package has to be extruded INTACT from their central (see: Anal) orifice so that there is no room for questions. It is thrust forth a an unavoidable, undeniable fact.
    Think of it as an ice cold political speculum.

  • catherine

    Typical Obamarhoid loser who lashes out without EVER reading a post in its entirety.

    Not only are the Obamabots stupid you’re also lazy.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    My pleasure, Postmaster.

    We all have to stand up to this ridiculous would-be thuggery.

    If we don’t it will soon be too late.

    Stay strong.

    ;)

  • JasonG

    Obama has a plan – Hope (that he can keep the electorate bamboozled) and Change (that is left over in your pocket after he taxes us to death).

  • cofer

    These taxes will have an adverse effect on verybody’s pension

  • Zeke

    Or we could use the existing mechanism, designed by the Constitutional Congress to vote ALL the bastards out of office and elect REPRESENTATIVES who, upon further review, will decide to do what We tell them.
    We desperately need to “Change” the way our elected officials view things. Its nice to think that we elect our representatives to serve us but in truth, they think they are there to tell us what we need. When a government gets so heavy that it decides what its people need rather than the other way round, then you get the shit that Obama is trying to push.
    It would be nice to put the political pendulum back in the middle, but I fear that we let it get too far to the left to just stop it at the bottom.
    The backlash against government which takes its citizens for granted will happen. The sooner the swing to the far left is stopped, the less intense the backlash will be.

  • Vimes

    Jeez, JP49…do a little reading. Nader has always championed our rights and protections. He has accomplished a hell of a lot under both Republican rule and Democratic rule. He is against Plutocracy. Google his accomlishments.

  • Vimes

    Rightfully so. Look at what he has done.

  • Vimes

    (Smooth brains….) I really like that. I always referred to them as ‘thuds’, as in the sound of a brain dropped on the floor, but I like yours better.

  • jane

    This not new for him either.

    And though he often cites his background as a civil rights lawyer, Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005, easily the worse attack on civil liberties in the last half-century. It allows for wholesale eavesdropping on American citizens under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts.

  • B from Bloomington

    Early on, I didn’t know who to vote for in the primary. Obama looked good, as did Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich. There were many good picks. Then I started checking them out (not just listening, really checking the voting records and political background). Obama was built up to look like some kind of political phenomenon. Well, we all know if something seems too good to believe, it probably is. He is no different. The more I read, the more he seemed like another Bush, and that’s the last thing we need right now. When Bush came to office we had a budget surplus, peace, all in all things were pretty good. What Bush has done to this country is irresponsible.

    So, why do I consider Obama more of the same? Well, how could any responsible politician vote for the 2005 Bush/Cheney Energy Bill–a bill that throws billions at big oil and is bad for global warming and the environment? How could any responsible politician vote for legislation that makes it difficult for the average joe who is injured by a defective product to sue the company that produced the defective product? How could any responsible politician vote ‘present’ on bills to protect school children from guns and pornography? How could any responsible politician vote ‘present’ on a bill that gives rape vicitims the right to petition the court to have the records sealed? How could any responsible politician take credit for legislation they had nothing to do with? How could any responsible politician support unConstitutional disenfranchisement of voters in the primary and warrantless spying on the American people in FISA?

    Most Americans don’t realize that the FISA compromise comes in two parts. The first part greatly alters FISA by expanding the executive’s ability to wiretap and engage in much broader searches of communications than were permissible under the law before. It essentially gives congressional blessing to some but not all of what the executive was doing under President Bush. President Obama will like having Congress authorize these new powers. He’ll like it just fine. People aren’t paying as much attention to this part of the bill. But they should, because it will define the law of surveillance going forward. It is where your civil liberties will be defined for the next decade.

    Part II, by contrast, is the part that everyone has gotten up in arms about. It creates effective immunity for telecom companies. It makes perfect sense for Obama to criticize this part of the bill. That’s because he doesn’t need it as much as he needs the first part, and his base really really dislikes it. True, it might be nice to have retroactive immunity for the players who he will be working with in the future. But remember, he expects to be President, and he figures that his OLC and Justice Department can offer sufficient assurances of legality going forward based on the changes in the first part of the bill.

    from balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/why-obama-kinda-likes-fisa-bill-but-he.html

    Lastly, please view this video in honor of the rights we are about to lose.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF2iX2VG6e4

  • Zeke

    You’re right, wac. But unlike Obama, he actually has a record we can look at, a platform we can examine, and although I doubt it necessary, he’d probably be happy to show you his birth cert.
    A possible nut case, Mr. Nader, but a nut case who loves his country.

  • Vimes

    Wow, you’re right. Maybe McCain is not McSame, but Obama is O’Same. Good point Anon22.

  • Zeke

    Thanks for you wisdom, comrade.
    Your deck chair on the Titanic is right over there.

  • Zeke

    Anon,
    It saddens me to read the stuff you write. I know that as a young person, you wish with wonderful ideals that you and the ones who share your wishes could do something big. Something significant. Well, take heart.
    I guarantee that what is coming will be significant and you will have had a hand in it. You and all of Barack’s followers will accomplish something I never thought I would ever see in my lifetime.
    Republicans and Democrats walking into the polls hand in hand.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    a complete disorganized mess

    That describes your comment more than Ms. zula’s. Presumably your aim was to distract us from the fact that Obama has flip-flopped once again by reneging on a promise not to support any bill that included amnesty for the telecoms. Now that it has become apparent he lied, as he always does, you launch into a rather emotional “but, but, Hillary . . . .”

    I know you are disappointed that Obama continually misleads and bamboozles you little Obamabutts, but you need to learn a more constructive way to deal with said disappointment. If you fail to do this, having to endure watching Obama receive that extremely embarrassing and excruciatingly humiliating ass-kicking that John McCain is going to give him in the GE may just drive your little trolley completely off the tracks.

    I’m only saying this to be helpful, because even though we may disagree on issues (like the unqualified and unelectable Obama) we have your best interests at heart. After all, if it’s one thing you trolls do well, it’s get more votes for McCain.

  • Zeke

    I think I just poo’ed myself a little.
    “Democracy doesn’t mean having unlimited confidence in citizens. Sometimes the big picture is in better hands when politicians are running it.”
    Doesn’t that sound straight out of Obama’s playbook too?
    This shit has to be stopped.
    We are next.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Or as I like to think of it — crap.

  • Newly Independent

    The United States is slowly – but surely – becoming a Communist country.

    Our greedy corporations and greedy elected officials have spent too much time in China.

    China’s mindset has rubbed off on them.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Yes, he put George W. Bush in office.

  • B from Bloomington

    Two Thumbs Way Up !!!!!!!!

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Yes, I’m an angry little person.

    Good for you, Anon. They say admitting your problem is the first step in getting help. Now that you’ve done that, maybe you can find a good support group of Obamabutts to help you deal with the impending implosion of The Precious One’s campaign and his subsequent loss to McCain.

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    Where does McCain stand on this, speaking of small dicked tactics of distraction?

    And why isn’t anyone holding HIM accountable?

    Republicans are FOR violation of the 4th amendment, is that it?

    That very same amendment that can, and WILL BE, and IS used against them, even those who think they’re untouchable?

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    FISA, that is, which violates the 4th amendment, top to bottom.

    Republicans walk around like they’re untouchable, above the laws, where did they get such a childish notion?

    (snicker)

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    Well, the basic issue is communication, isn’t it?

    And the NSA, the whole ko0k republican structure, is about violating the basic principles of communications, the privacy of communication, therefore, tacitly infringing on free speech, the first amendment.

    All together, those amendments form the net by which a great government can function, securely, and safely, you should connect the dots sometime.

    lol

    Not my problem Cheney and the rest of that batshit administration are too stupid to get it.

  • Thomas

    It’s time to get Hillary up in the bullpen and warm up.

    Obama is approaching his 100 pitches and his arm is getting rubbery.

    Hillary in August. Nothing less.

  • Newly Independent

    Truly.

    Never thought I’d see the day.

  • JJR

    Just like the Obama campaign you are distorting Ms. Zula’s meaning. Clearly she meant to say that the disregard for the 4th Amendment reflected in FISA is very much in line with Obama’s disregard for the spirit of the 1st Amendment. And, clearly, the 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech can be encroached upon through methods that infringe on 4th amendment rights. In any event, Obama is a fraud, just accept it. He is not above politics and he is not about change. The only thing he changes is his position on important issues – ALL THE TIME.

  • Newly Independent

    Nader’s definitely against Obama, but I’m supporting McCain.

    Cannot take the chance of Nader splitting the vote in Obama’s favor.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    My goodness, why are you so defensive, little Obamabutt? Why, I believe you are even more thin-skinned than The Precious One. And you should try to come up with a less preposterous argument than claiming the media is not biased. Even Obama’s clone George W. Bush did not tell a lie that big in 2000 and 2004 when the media was in the tank for him.

    Now go do something useful — go back to Obamabutt headquarters and mail out a bunch more of those whiny letters begging for money. I just love those things. Everytime I get one, I send a few bucks to McCain.

  • Newly Independent

    “So, as lifelong losers, you now feel empowered because you’ve embraced a candidate with no plan, no history, no real work ethic, and nothing but lies? You won’t even consider questions about the man. You won’t even consider valid concerns. That makes you as bad as any Bush supporter in ‘04 – maybe worse since you actually should know better.”

    Thank you! These mindless Obama supporters are virtually NO DIFFERENT from Bush supporters. The only difference is that they’re Democrats. Obama has already proven that he will NOT the rights and freedoms of all Americans, and his idiot supporters STLL turn a blind eye.

    Don’t worry. McCain will be elected in November, and this horrible nightmare will be finished.

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    I would debate your use of the word “spirit.”

    Suppressing speech is the aim of the big brother republican bovine, free speech is inhibited if one knows they are monitored by those who have a unilateral power to imprison them, (see Patriot Act, the US government) one of the worst abuses of power the founding fathers anticipated by those wishing to suppress or eradicate democracy.

    Like a stinking crazy Dick Cheney type is something new under the sun…

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Did McCain lie that he would refuse to support a bill that contained amnesty?

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    So why is Obama copying every sleazy tactic Bush and Cheney have ever used?

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    They work for themselves, and they work for business.

    The structure of the US government is the best in the world, IMO, it’s the political and lobbyist trash placed there by money, and the crazies, that need to be cleaned out.

    For instance, McCain’s lead, Rick Davis, has lobbyist ties to an anti American Russian oligarch.

    Is this good sense?

    Do you understand the implications?

    THIS is the problem.

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    It won’t make a difference, they’re both corrupt, both tied to the Russians, Marxists, if that’s your argument, Obama maybe through philosophy, McCain through money, and lobbyists, who will “persuade” him to act on behalf of their Putin connected clients.

    We look at Obamas middle east ties, but not McCain’s Russian ties, his lobbyists ties, lobbyists, who run his campaign.

    Why not?

    That’s hypocritical, is it Republican cool aide, too?

    The country won’t survive with either fool at the helm.

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    Yes, you’re right, with either candidate.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Why is Obama copying Bush/Cheney tactics designed to limit dissent? Even Bush did not go so far as to have his thugs make threatening calls in the middle of the night to people criticizing him. And I don’t believe Bush ever sent little brownshirts out to opposing websites to figuratively break the windows of anyone disagreeing with him.

    Huckuva job, Howie — you steal the nomination for someone who makes even Bush look relatively good. It is to be hoped that after four years of President McCain, adults will once again take control of the Party Formerly Known as Democratic and go back to the pre-Obama system of letting Democratic voters choose the nominee.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Too bad Howard Dean chose to steal the nomination for a candidate even worse than McCain. I’ll see your Rick Davis and raise you Farrakhan, Rezko, the Chicago Combine, the family who paid him to stiff the Maytag workers, Exelon, the telecoms, Wright, Pfleger and Oprah.

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    You know, I was speaking to someone today who thought the national security agencies were just like the Republicans, thought just like the Republican kooks, just like Addington and Cheney, say.

    I thought that was incorrect.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Well, you’re a little ray of sunshine. Don’t blame me — I voted for Hillary. McCain is just the lesser of the two evils still in the race.

  • http://marcysmutiny.blogspot.com MessyMarcy

    Yes. I haven’t forgotten his splitting the vote in favor of Bush. Obama would just be four more years of Bush.

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    Boy, the republican trolls are as full of shit as the Obama trolls.

    (cough, cough)

    I wonder why?

    The republicans helped to engineer Clinton’s loss, WTH would I reward treason?

    You’re just not seeing it, at all…

    We haven’t even looked at McCain’s ties, so dont try to sell him as the clear alternative.

    I refuse to vote for either, and would prefer to expose the whole rot.

    Nobody else interested?

    Why?

  • Jack

    Zeke,

    Me think the “wrapped” comment is an open statement from Obama confirming the essence of Pagan’s commentary, Obama is about controlling words and messages, not freedom.

    But you sound more intelligent so I defer to you!

  • Will Smith

    Don’t cry about Obama— it’s just the Chicago Way
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kasswedobamajun25,0,6475840.column

  • wac for hillary

    Because he can’t win on merit?

  • JJR

    Peter . . .

    I don’t mind that you take issue with my choice of the word “spirit.” However, I chose the word because I was referring merely to his “tight control of his message,” which is not a technical violation of the First Amendment. He has not used legal means to forcefully impose restrictions on the media. The media was simply complicit. However, I don’t argue the point that FISA could lead to violations of the First Amendment rather than merely violate the spirit of the First Amendment.

  • UKforDems

    So Obama is far too left wing? Which one is it. Today we have lots of questions about where he stands. Is he a Nazi in disguise? Is he a Communist? An athiest? A Muslim? A Radical Black Christian?

    I support Feingold on FISA – you can hardly claim to if you say Obama is too left wing and Pro Terrorist, but hypocracy does not matter to any of you. Let us get your views out in the open – especially you Mr Cowardly Johnson. Your blog is full of sick racist punks. Your page now looks like that of the KKK. It does not matter where Obama stands on any issue – you obnoxious bigots will not vote Obama whatever his views. That says more of you than anything.

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Yes, now that the greedheads have seen that the proper kind of totalitarianism is entirely compatible with profit, they like the idea.

  • Newly Independent

    LOL!!!

  • Newly Independent

    Yep!

    Freedom and justice for all is bad for their agendas.

    Bastards.

  • UKforDems

    Comment by cofer | 2008-06-25 15:37:40

    Obama’s Social Security Fine Print (60% INCOME TAX)

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121435112024101581.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    Bullshit Repuke Scare stories to get people to support Social Security Privatisation. Try again, bigot. In fact do not bother Repugs are going down.

  • Teakwood

    Thanks for the tip. Very useful. :)

  • Elle

    Hillary issued a statement explaining why she did not support FISA, soon after the vote.

    You should check your facts first.

  • Hope Floats

    the nazi movement (national socialism), fascism, communism, atheism, marxism and black liberation theology are all left wing ideologies.

    what obama shares with nazis: racism, eugenics, collectivism, anti-parliamentarism (we have good indications of how Obama would approach executive power) antisemitism and anti-capitalist rhetoric.

    communism and fascism share many similarities. both are types of authoritarian rule, where the interests and freedoms of the individual are subordinated to those of the state, and quite frequently a powerful leader. in many cases both fascist and communist rule are bolstered by a highly powerful military apparatus, as a way to stifle opposition. also, both types of government are statist as opposed to a free market or laissez-faire economy as in the US.

    but Obama says he likes free markets now. he is a corporate candidate and believes rather than completely nationalizing industry and taking over the means of production, politicians can allow the government a very powerful influence.

    we have seen the propaganda, the combination of populist enthusiasm built around a cult of personality for the leader, and then terror – death threats, cyber-harrassment and identity hacking, violence at caucuses, language that is used to incite mobs.

    Obama is a fascist, and now you see how the messages of “unity” and “change” indicate an underlying leftist, secular, reformist agenda. YES, WE CAN sounds more like majestic plural.

  • Hope Floats

    We know you love Obama, because you’re a weird revanchist hawk. McCain had dinner with a guy. Whoop de doo.

  • ea

    Not true. How about people who wanted Gore to be President actually blame the PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR GEORGE BUSH for putting Bush in office. Talk about not taking responsibility–Gore’s own people, actual Democrats did not care enough to vote for him. So you can not blame people who are not Democrats for voting for someone they think best represents their views. This argument is old, but it fails to improve with age, because it was not right in the first place.

  • Hope Floats

    I hope Nader takes votes from Obama in this election.

  • Hope Floats

    Too bad you don’t live in Kansas.

  • Hope Floats

    What color is the sky on your planet that you don’t think Obama has lobbyist ties? He had them in Chicago when he pressed the wrong button six times. He’s barely been in the US senate a year. A tiger never loses its stripes.

  • Hope Floats

    Don’t worry. You’ll feel bitter and disappointed to if he gets his chance to run this country into the ground. Or maybe you won’t, assuming you think along the lines of the Huff Po trash.

  • Hope Floats

    excuse me. ,too, not to

  • Hope Floats

    O’Same Bin Lyin’

  • Hope Floats

    The Republicans helped engineer Clinton’s loss, because she was harder to defeat. The electoral college favors Clinton.

    The Democratic party has-beens and bottom feeders chose the nuclear option and went for Clinton’s jugular. It was a power grab. It’s not the first time these losers have sided with the neocons. These neocons have now put themselves into the left with their Trojan Horse candidate. They no longer need the CEC (Conservative Evangelical Christians.) They feel betrayed by McCain, anyway.

    Treason, by definition, means subversion was carried out by one of your own. The Dems did this on their own. They used the Republicans to push forward a weak candidate and loot the corporate goodies thrown to Obama. They were paid off handsomely.

    Senator Jay Rockefeller and Trilateral / Bilderberger boss Joseph Nye are also actively campaigning for Obama. Nye is the theoretician of “soft power,” a new form of imperialist aggression based on economic warfare, subversion, deception, and people power coups. They want Obama to mobilize soft power to give a face lift to US imperialism.

  • Hope Floats

    Obama adviser Jeffrey Liebman wants to privatize social security.

    http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/03/reforming-social-securit.html

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