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Chutzpah, Thy Name is Rove

Karl Rove is one jolly fat man. With George Carlin well on his way to being worm food, looks like Karl is angling to become America’s new funny man. I refer of course to Karl’s outrage that the “NY Times outed a CIA officer.” Appearing on Bill O’Reilly’s show yesterday, Rove and O’Reilly had this exchange:

“Last week, the New York Times outed a CIA agent — I’m not going to mention his name — who interrogated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,” said O’Reilly. “The CIA asked the New York Times not to do that, it obviously puts the CIA agent in danger because al Qaeda knows who he is, and they say, ‘Well, we’ll out anybody unless they’re under cover.’”

The Times added an Editor’s Note to the story following its initial publication, explaining why they had revealed the interrogator’s name even though the CIA asked them not to do so. “After discussion with agency officials and a lawyer for Mr. Martinez, the newspaper declined the request, noting that Mr. Martinez had never worked under cover. … The newspaper seriously considered the requests from Mr. Martinez and the agency. But in view of the experience of other government employees who have been named publicly in books and published articles or who have themselves chosen to go public, the newspaper made the decision to print the name.”

“The New York Times has a double standard,” Rove replied to O’Reilly. “It was deeply concerned when Richard Armitage outed Valerie Plame. Of course, they were only concerned until the point that it became apparent it was Richard Armitage, not Karl Rove.”

Gee Karl. Early onset Alzheimer’s? Don’t you remember what you told Tim Russert and Chris Matthews?

Fair game. You said that a real undercover CIA officer was fair game for political attacks. And how about Matt Cooper and Robert Novak?

– Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper said, “Karl Rove told me about Valerie Plame’s identity on July 11, 2003. I called him because Ambassador Wilson [Plame’s husband] was in the news that week. I didn’t know Ambassador Wilson even had a wife until I talked to Karl Rove.”

– A week prior to publishing his column which outed Plame, Robert Novak spoke with Rove. Novak brought up Plame’s role at the CIA, and Rove confirmed that Plame worked at the CIA: “I heard that too,” said Rove.

You did not get it then and you do not get it now. The current CIA officer in question, Deuce Martinez, is not undercover. He is an analyst working in an overt (i.e., uncovered) job. His identity is not a secret. His future success in the CIA does not depend on going to work overseas.

And the notion that he is at danger from Al Qaeda is laughable. Why? Because, the CIA despite all of its flaws and shortcomings, has done a good job of killing and capturing key Al Qaeda operatives. They are a decimated organization. (See Marc Sageman for more on this.) It does not have the ability to send a hit team to track down Deuce Martinez. Of course, Bill O’Reilly and Karl Rove did not give a shit about a genuine risk to Valerie Plame back in 2003. At that time, Al Qaeda actually did threaten to kill her. And Valerie was left on her own to figure out how to protect herself and her family.

Now, even though Deuce was not undercover, the fact that the CIA requested the NY Times not print his name should have been taken seriously. The NY Times just proved that it has the scruples of Robert Novak, who also rejected several pleas from the CIA to not print Valerie’s name.

But there is a big difference between exposing an undercover CIA officer like Valerie, who had a network of spies overseas, and an overt analyst. The good news is that the recent revelations by Bush’s former press secretary, Scott McClellan, seals the deal for the Wilson’s law suit against Karl Rove and others. McClellan has stated flatly that Rove lied about his role in outing Valerie Plame. If that case goes to trial Mr. Rove will have a chance to explain why it is okay to out an undercover officer but not okay to write about an officer who is working in the open. I still want a frog march.

  • kcowley

    Just to clarify- Karl Rove is not fat, his face appears on TV rounder than it is. I met him last week when he was on vacation and thanked him for defending Hillary a number of times.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

      His defense of HRC, even though I realize it is entirely self-serving for his and the GOP’s interests, has definitely reduced my antipathy towards him.

      He’s still Turd Blossom, but if he continues to pump-up Hillary and punk out Bambi then his radioactivity will have had it’s half life sped up dramatically in my eyes.

      Just speaking for myself, of course.

      • Zee

        This entire Obama-Hillary fiasco smacks of Rovism…and indeed I’ve seen him licking his fat chops over in on-air.

        The MSM ignored the other candidates literally out of the race until it was the Black Man vs Woman show they wanted in order to pit the two most loyal constituencies of Dems against each other.

        Of course, if Obama weren’t the misogynistic, narcissistic corporate puppet that he is, it might not have evolved into the antagonistic misadventure that it was. But it was a foregone conclusion, given the fraud’s political history of dealing with criminal cronies and willingness to accept others’ work as his own.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

          Excellent points, Zee.

          I agree with you: This whole thing does smack of Rovism and a deliberate strategy.

          And it probably is, or was. If you can face the weaker candidate who has less support — Bambi — then that is what you try to achieve strategically. It would certainly be a Rove move to do just that.

          You’re right, Bambi is a farce of a figure who never understood the extent to which the hatred of the Clintons byt the MSM and the GOP was buoying his flawed candidacy. Now that Hillary appears to be out of the way, that wellspring of support seems to have dried up pretty damn fast, huh? If you don’t believe me just ask the Democratic National Convention finance committee.

          Ha ha ha.

          BaJoke is Dubya all over again: Put on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.

          What a complete asshat he is. Alfred E. Neuman melded with Clark Gable’s ears. No wonder he has his daughters on various nutritional supplements — he’s probably afraid they will grow up to be the same kind of gawky, emaciated dorks that pops is.

          What a fraudulent punk.

          • peter pentagram made too many enemies

            You’re logic is breathtaking, just breathtaking.

            Karl Rove is responsible, in part, for the majority of issues this country is battling, from the war, to election tampering, all done as part of a calculated effort to gain and maintain power.

            You’re OK with this? (Poof? Google is your friend, just read Larry’s article…)

            You are either ignorant, or disingenuous, maybe both, but either way, sure explains A LOT about the psychological republican trip to kook, a permanent vacation (as compared to the equally execrable democrats, batshit, but in a different way).

            Just wow.

            All I see are a bunch of frightened little men, unable to comprehend, or deal with the enormities of the challenges in front of them.

            Good thing we’re not speaking about a bunch of generals, or those who command our security agencies, we’d be fucked, would’t we?

            The army can’t function with treasonous officers, just like the government can’t function when the president’s senior advisers, or even the king kook, Dick Cheney, outs CIA officers as matter of course, with no understanding, whatsoever, of the greater implications.

            Just like you.

            (Dick always wanted to be king, so I made him one: King of the Kooks. The kingdom of kook is in Alaska somewhere, between the US, and Russia — they’re like Chinook salmon).

            In my book, anyway…)

            The greater problem is we end up arguing the manifestations of Karl Rove’s insanity, rather than the fact Karl Rove, and co, are insane, and need to be removed from government, once and for all.

            • peter pentagram made too many enemies

              Proof, sorry, not poof…

              Outing a CIA agent for political gain, or as a threat to the larger intelligence community, is not the act of a sane man.

              This is how, and why, national security falls, and if a government actor fails to understand this, and the greater implications for the US, he’s not intelligent, or he’s insane, and their is simply no other way to cut it, period.

              The fact you are not outraged about Rove’s actions tells me everything I need to know about you.

              ba-BA ba-BA babA-BA BOO ie!

              • peter pentagram made too many enemies

                there…

            • Dawnelle

              “once and for all”

              it’s breathtaking that YOU would be so mindless as to believe in a “once and for all”

              HAHAHAHHA!

          • PoliticsSuck

            It’s just silly to say that Obama has less support – he won the nomination!
            I know you will probably pull out the tired “popular vote” argument so let me reply in advance.
            -The popular vote in the Democratic primary is irrelevant and unreliable for two reasons: the caucus states cause the popular vote statistic to be uncalculatable; the Democratic nomination is based on delegate count. (I don’t need to mention the fact that Hillary flip-flopped on her stance regarding the votes of MI & FL).
            Now I don’t like either of these facts and would like to see the process become more democratic; one person one vote, the candidate with the most votes wins.
            But, these are the current rules. If you don’t like the rules, try to change them.

            There you go. Now I’ll sit back and wait for the troll, Kool-Aid, too young, go play your video games, Obama is a Marxist who wants to turn America into an Islamic state statements along with the typical name calling that is common on this site.

            • Indyvoter

              Go support him then.
              We will do everything we can to defeat him.

            • jbjd

              I find disingenuous your gambit of trying to legitimize Senator Obama’s presumptive nomination by pushing this “rules” based paradigm because you omit a material calculation, for the record, as to how these rules accounted for all of the Michigan delegates the RBC awarded to Senator Obama, who pulled his named off the ballot. (For the record, as soon as the MSM began vetting the candidate, that is, when his close personal bonds with Reverend Wright, Father Phleger, and Minister Farrakhan, whom he called his “mentors,” became public in February, his popular vote numbers plummeted.)

            • Zeke

              If you already know the truth about that c**ksucker you love, why do you still follow him?
              He is all the things you said in your last paragraph but you still do not understand. Children generally understand simple things when they are explained.
              The simple facts that you do not understand, that you aren’t well read enough, historically well versed enough to be able to weigh the significance of things like this, cause us to view your pre-programmed-by- the-Bots words as the rantings of a spoiled child.
              You must try harder to prioritize things.
              Marxism= no freedom

            • http://deleted AnninCa

              So ignore us. Yesterday a reliable poll said 1 out of 4 Hillary supporters will go for McCain.

              Frankly, I think that number will hold.

              He failed, as so many Dems, to pull in the Reagan Dems/Clinton Dems/lunch-bucket Dems……

              and his only hope is that they will stay home.

              He’s a loser-boy.

              LLLLLLLL!

              Kerry with a tan.

            • http://deleted TheViking

              Can I have my 4 delegates back please, I earned them, the people gave them to me….can I? Can I pleeeezzze?

        • http://snunes.blogspot.com Susan Nunes

          You’ve hit it on the head. The Democrats were totally manipulated and played for fools.

          The GOP and the GOP-leaning media made SURE Edwards would not be anywhere near the nomination, and the other major Democratic candidates, Biden, Dodd, and Richardson, were ignored altogether. GOP voters were also manipulated into picking McCain, the national media darling.

          Then they finally pushed Clinton out to get the McGovern of 2008. This is not going to be the only time they will do it; they will continue to pick our candidates for us until we make it clear we will not submit to propaganda.

          • Zeke

            WHAT UTTER BULLSHIT!
            How can any sane person cry that the Rep’s are the ones manipulating this situation?
            Grow the fuck up and understand this disaster was brought on by stupidity. Our stupidity.
            Nobody accurately assessed Obama’s devious nature even when he wiped out his own party’s people to get elected the first time in Illinois. Was Rove there then?
            When Obama was decimating his own district by helping Rezko steal millions in Chicago was Rove there, showing him how to sell his soul?
            To accuse the Rep’s of masterminding this fiasco is to tacitly admit they also manipulated the scenes for McCain’s victory. If you know any true Rep’s, you’d also know they think McCain is less conservative than Hillary. So before you spout out such nonsense, remember who the hell you are fighting and WHY!
            This war we fight is against Obama not the Rep’s who, by dint of the fact that they are against Obama too, are allies.
            Eyes on the prize people…eyes on the prize!

    • http://www.obama-wire.com Todd
    • lute

      I’ve mellowed quite a bit on Rove as well.

      Though the Plame outting was a bottom in the history of America, and should never, ever be forgotten or repeated.

      The Rove I’m seeing on Fox, I’m generally liking. I am sensing that he wants to be thought of as a universal guru, and his commentary seems more truth oriented than partisan.

      Then again, he is Rove, and this is Fox, but it is ironic how let-down the news people that I trusted – like Olberman – proved to be calculating, self-serving idiots.
      And Rove is emerging as a bright, even guy to learn from.

      • PoliticsSuck

        Please seek help immediately.

      • rwc

        Compared to many so-called liberal or progressive political commentators Rove comes off relatively sane and reasonable in his analysis.

        If I want batshit crazy and bloviation I’ll listen to Rachael Maddow, Herr Olbermann,or the fucktards on CNN.

        • realist

          Niccolo Machiavelli was also perfectly sane. What worries me about such men isn’t their sanity. It’s the banality of their evil.

    • mahaska

      So he’s just a fathead?

  • just asking?

    i know this is off-topic, but my local paper (Hartford Courant) just had a small article, buried on A3, about Obama taking more Countrywide mortgage money than Dodd…the most of ANY senantor. True? Has this shown up in any MSM?

    wtf?

    • mimi

      Wow. Obama took more Countryside Mortgage Money than Dodd?

      Just WOW!

    • beebop

      •Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., received $20,000 in campaign contributions from Countrywide Financial Corp. over the past two decades, more than any senator except Barack Obama, D-Ill., who received $22,900 in that period. A June 19 story on Page A3 incorrectly reported that Dodd had received $25,000 and was the Senate’s top recipient of Countrywide contributions during that time. The incorrect information was published on the website of the Center for Responsive Politics, which gets information from the Federal Election Commission. Both the center and the FEC corrected their figures on Wednesday. A related story is on Page A3.

      “http://www.courant.com/news/corrections/hc-corrections0626.artjun26,0,1328293.story”

      • beebop

        …. blink …..

        • roseeriter

          …more like a wink, wink…;-)

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

        Barry is THE quid pro quo candidate. He is the worst I have ever seen on this score and a true Daleyian in his actions.

        He is a bought and paid for whore, period. And that is why he has so many high-level backers throughout the world. They all know they have their hooks in him and that he is open to their siren calls.

        Some newspaper months ago had a piece on how much the Wall St. and lobbyists love BaJoke for just this kind of reason. No one is fooled by his once-removed shell game of taking $$$ from lobbyists wives instead of the lobbyists themselves.

        The guy is as dirty as you can imagine. Totally corrupt. Rezko isn’t the half of it.

      • Dawnelle

        Dodd has turned into a bigger disappointment than KERRY!!

        and Larry I agree with you about Rove!

        and feel much better knowing that

        “Because, the CIA despite all of its flaws and shortcomings, has done a good job of killing and capturing key Al Qaeda operatives. They are a decimated organization.”

        Thank you.

        I wish we’d GET A CLUE and get out of Iraq and finish the job in Afghanistan and then come the hell HOME!

    • rjj

      from Courant

      Text size: increase text sizedecrease text size

      Setting The Record Straight
      Correction

      June 26, 2008

      •Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., received $20,000 in campaign contributions from Countrywide Financial Corp. over the past two decades, more than any senator except Barack Obama, D-Ill., who received $22,900 in that period. A June 19 story on Page A3 incorrectly reported that Dodd had received $25,000 and was the Senate’s top recipient of Countrywide contributions during that time. The incorrect information was published on the website of the Center for Responsive Politics, which gets information from the Federal Election Commission. Both the center and the FEC corrected their figures on Wednesday. A related story is on Page A3.

      Googled it and looked at online edition. Can’t find the A3 story. What does it say????

      • just asking?

        It talks about the watchdog group — Center for Responsive Politics (www.opensecrets.org) — that mistakenly thought Dodd had the greatest campaign contributions, but actually OBAMA does! He received $22, 900. The FEC confirmed this yesterday.

        • ritamary

          Surprise, surprise…

  • Indyvoter

    Rove needs to be held accountable, just like Obama and Clinton and McCain.

    The MSM, and the dem elites give BO a pass on everything.

    Must be nice for him. Makes you wonder why they’re doing it, doesn’t it?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    If Rove is to be frog-marched, I hope that it comes after he ‘goes to school’ on Ofraudma for the GOP, provided BaJoke is named the nominee by the DNC coupists in a move at variance with its voters.

    He has hurt Dems for years. So part of his ‘restitution’ can be to help us extricate ourselves from The Bambian Mistake before November. And hopefully before August.

  • mimi

    Larry,

    Ever since Rove left the WH, he’s been on a mission to re-write history. The history of the Bush/Cheney presidency and his part in it.

    Remember when he had the audacity to say in public that Congress forced Bush to go to war in Iraq? I was still reading the HuffPo and Arianna went batshit about his remark.

    The tragedy is that with Obama on the scene, Bush just might be able to ride off into the Texas sunset, cowboy hat, boots and all, plan his Presidential Library(that’s an oxymoron), and with Obama’s help he just might pull it off.

    Unbelievable!!!!

    • roseeriter

      Of course that’s the plan. Rove understands the short attention span the dumbed down tv populace has on everything..just divert attention and the looky-loos forget about one ‘accident’ to run to the next ‘accident’..

      The MSM works exactly the way Rove works.

      • beebop

        Nancy P and the others took impeachment off the table. What did that say to Rove? All is foregiven? Please come home.

        • rwc

          Exactly. Pelosi and Reid basically sanctioned every criminal act that Bushco committed by refusing to investigate and prosecute them.

          They are the real traitors and the ones who broke their sworn oaths.

          • Dawnelle

            Every time I think about how badly Reid and Pelosi have done (even though they had NO MAJORITY really to work with)

            but even though they’ve been poorly producing advocates the thought of who OBAMBI would put in their place gives me HUGE pause!

      • Zeke

        I’m sure the MSM has Rove, who they each excoriated, right there on speed dial. This Rove shit is a distraction!
        We are after Obama!

    • Zee

      Yes, it was when Obama laid the groundwork for rewriting the history of the Reagan and Clinton presidencies that I instantly loathed him.

  • Perry Logan

    I’ll always love Karl for engineering the destruction of the Republican Party.

  • CIA=Criminally Insane Assholes

    CIA Agents like Larry Johnson should be outed.

    Why aren’t the Wilsons taking your calls anymore, Larry?

    Using your blog to call Obama a ‘Spade’?

    Fuck the CIA if it allows fools like you to breathe.

    • HARP

      Obama received the endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for the Illinois state senate seat. Obama is an associate of the Chicago branch of the DSA.

      http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/progressivecaucus.htm

    • Hi Llary

      Agreed. Larry is a sad rat with Ralph Wiggum’s haircut.

      • HARP

        Memo to Larry…. It seems quite obvious that the quality of Trolls has deteriorated lately. Now It could be they are all just worried about Obama`s reversal on FISA, but please see what you can do about improving the level of their child like comments. Thank you.

        • mahaska

          Dear Harp, I would call them childish statements. Child like makes them seem innocents.

      • so sorry

        That your presumptuous LEADER accepted more campaign contributions from Countrywide Financial than any other senator.

        How embarrassing for you!

        Go ahead, spein way (far away if possible).

        • Mandelay

          Do you think he’ll give the Countrywide contribution to charity? That charity fund, the Refunded Contributions from Rezko/Auchi/Countrywide/All Purpose Criminals Who Gave Me Money Fund seems to be growing every day. Philanthropy is so nice. Or, have the tainted funds been redirected to the Michelle Obama Makeover Fund? Or maybe the girls college funds? Nah, Uncle Billy Ayers and Uncle Jeremiah Wright will take care of their education. Oh boy, so many choices, so many ways you can spend, spend, spend other people’s money!

          • tish

            i bet obama comes out and now says he supports the second ammendment, he knows us guntoters wont vote for him!

          • http://deleted TheViking

            That was not the Countrywide I knew.

      • BluDawg

        Gaza Strip paid trolls:

        Watch it and weep, Gaddafi outs your boy Obama, for illegal overseas campaign contributions, and for being a Liar! Multiple Lies exposed!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo

    • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

      Run out of your meds?

      • Teakwood

        OT; PaganPower you read what happened to 30year dem’s blog?

        You are on the money with 1st amendment ..

    • typical irishman

      A SPADE IS A SPADE IS A SPADE BUT OBAMA IS A SNAKEY SPADE.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

      Jeebus, shut the bleep up already.

      Is “Fuck the CIA” like a derivative of NWA’s “Fuck the Police” and you’re Eazy-E resurrected?

      You know, reconstituted like a Messiah-like figure might be.

      I would imagine the CIA probably knows where you live and that they don’t really care. They’ll just leave you to your inane pop-offs like this one as you descend into oblivion.

      Here’s the deal with the race card: If Barack wants to keep playing that game, then f_ck him. He can deal with the fallout. Too f_cking bad.

      You stupid clowns think you have some ‘ownership’ of anger or something.

      Hear this: F_CK YOU.

      WE’RE pissed and we’re not taking it anymore. F_ck you and f_ck your stupid, entitlement-minded peeps. Capiche? Nobody gives a sh_t if you’re mad or not. We’re not backing down and your f_cking Messiah Clown is metaphorically going out on his shield courtesy of us in November if the DNC makes it come to that. We have the numbers and there isn’t SH_T you morons can do about it.

      Fuck you, you f_cking d_ck. If you want to play that game then you bill be met in kind and rebuffed.

      No questions asked, no quarter given.

      Asshole.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

        EDIT: “will” not “bill” for this line:

        “Fuck you, you f_cking d_ck. If you want to play that game then you bill be met in kind and rebuffed.”

        *

        We aren’t playing the “Doug Wilder and Jimmy Bitch Clyburn got me fired up” bullsh_t game here. You want to be mad, good for f_cking you. Take a number. Nobody is getting a free pass with that BS. You’re not Michelle Effing Obama, I’m not Dick Cheney and I am NOT ‘giving you something here.’

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

        EDIT: “will” not “bill” for this line:

        “Fuck you, you f_cking d_ck. If you want to play that game then you bill be met in kind and rebuffed.”

        *

        We aren’t playing the “Doug Wilder and Jimmy Bitch Clyburn got me fired up” bullsh_t game here. You want to be mad, good for f_cking you. Take a number. Nobody is getting a free pass with that BS. You’re not Michelle Effing Obama, I’m not Dick Cheney and I am NOT ‘giv(ing) (you) something here.’

        • Dawnelle

          (big snicker)

          U GO PAUL! ^5

      • http://youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0 OBAMATROLLSAREIDIOTS

        Paul,

        Way to go. They do not know what kind of backlash is going to slap them in the face.

        Idiots.

        Do you have any new videos on your site?

        JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

        NO OBAMA
        MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

          Thanks, friend.

          They really think that if they play the ‘angry’ card people are going to fall in line.

          No freaking way. They want to play angry then they will see what true anger is.

          Michelle Obama is angry, you know. How the F_CK are you angry when you got two Ivy League degrees handed to your sorry, undeserving ass and you made $4.2 million last year. Most of us will NEVER see those things no matter how qualified we are or how hard we work.

          It’s pretty simple: If you put that fake-ass ‘anger’ against the anger which women are feeling now over what happened to Hillary and which many of us are feeling to the DNC, there is no contest. That fake, whiny-ass, manufactured anger will get not only overtaken but enveloped by the legitimate anger of the 18 million.

          If 12% of the population tries to play anger games with the other 88% of the population, guess how things are likely to turn out?

          This race card, BULLSH_T fake black anger crap stops now. Right f_cking now. This is the sh_t that Obama knowingly fanned and Jackson, Jr., Clyburn, Amaya Smith and Wilder (and many others) pulled on purpose and it is why they will NEVER F_CKING EVER be forgiven.

          Obama is like OJ. He doesn’t give a sh_t about black folks and only cares about himself. He is a punk, sell-out fraud.

          Drop the false ‘symbols,’ morons. This guy is a golden calf and your pagan worship is putting you on the wrong side of the heresy fence.

          And all for a guy whom some clown in ATL, I think, was saying doesn’t have any slave blood.

          Nice job, idiots. Oh yeah, Barack is fully down with the struggle.

          The struggle for Barack Obama to achieve more power, for himself and his whiny-ass, ungrateful wife.

          What a bunch of fools.

          • mahaska

            O.J. isn’t black anymore. He’s back to partying with the white folks.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

          Sorry, forgot to add that I am working on a new video now. It could take some time as I have been wrapped up with some other commitments but I will be making videos on BaJoke from now until he is either ‘un-nominated’ in August or he loses in November.

          If he wins in November, we will continue to make videos in order to begin working towards his downfall.

          This isn’t going away for many of us. This guy goes against everything that is good and just in this country and as such it is our duty to work towards his being situated as far away as possible from the levers of power.

          I am not going to sit around and wait for another 9/11 to happen under Barack’s watch because someone like Ahmadenijad bamboozled BaJoke’s no-preconditions behind.

          We can’t wait for that. Prevention is the best cure and Barack, the plague, needs to be prevented from spreading throughout the country via a spot in the Oval Office.

          • peter pentagram made too many enemies

            I’m inclined to throw Rove’s treasonous ass in jail, same with the rest of that republican troll lo0ny t0on crew.

            How about you, what about Rove’s treason, what do you think about it?

    • lute

      zzzzzz

      • http://youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0 OBAMATROLLSAREIDIOTS

        LUTE,

        If you are found sleeping on the job at the HAMAS troll center you will be stoned.

        Wake your ass up or you will be turned into your leader.

        Idiot.

        JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

        NO OBAMA
        MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

    • Zeke

      Did you just advocate that the CIA murder Larry?
      Tsk, tsk, tsk.
      And you did it in print! Oooooh!

      • mahaska

        That’s how I read it too.

  • AA4HILL

    Posted on June 26, 2008 by riverdaughter

    So, let’s take stock of where we’ve been and where we are now. First, the sweeties tried to debate us. Yes, they came with their personal power dynamics themed speeches about how we can all get along as long as we listened to them and stopped being such belligerent idiots. That didn’t work so well. Then they tried the guilt trips. If we didn’t

    vote for Obama, the forced pregnancy police were going to visit women at the workplace and subject everyone to pelvic exams. But we pointed out that the SCOTUS already has enough votes to overturn Roe without any help from us. Besides, with Obama now supporting Steny Hoyer’s FISA legislation, Roe is not the only thing we have to worry about with the Supreme Court and Obama is not the guy to save it.

    The most recent tactic to be used against us is something we researchers use occasionally. It’s called Learned Helplessness. We sometimes induce this in lab rats in order to test anti-depressant drugs. In short, the rat is subjected to a stressful situation, like putting it in a tank of water and making it think it’s about to drown. This situation is one that it can’t resolve or relieve. Do this for n times and then measure how much the rat is depressed by putting it the corner of a square, for example, and measure how long it takes for the rat to wander out of it. The efficacy of the drug is related to how quickly the rat leaves the corner. Really depressed rats just sit there. And sit there. They have become passive against what they see as overwhelming helplessness, or so we think because, after all, no rat has ever told us how suicidal it is.
    read the rest:
    http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/thursday-how-to-depress-a-rat/

  • kefa

    ot…..http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm

    kinda interesting Larry.

  • HARP

    Mr Waffles again.

    With the Supreme Court poised to rule on the constitutionality of Washington, D.C.,’s gun ban, Barack Obama once again professed his support for the Second Amendment while sidestepping the question of whether the ban in the nation’s capital goes too far.
    Obama
    With the Supreme Court poised to rule on the constitutionality of Washington, D.C.,’s gun ban,… Expand
    With the Supreme Court poised to rule on the constitutionality of Washington, D.C.,’s gun ban, Barack Obama once again professed his support for the Second Amendment while sidestepping the question of whether the ban in the nation’s capital goes too far

    “What I’ve said is that I’m a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, but I do not think that that precludes local governments being able to provide some kind of common sense gun laws that keep guns out of the hands of gang bangers or children,” said Obama.

    “What I’d like to do,” Obama continued, “is wait and see how the Supreme Court comes down and evaluate the actual reasoning in the case to see how broad or narrow the decision’s going to be.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105455&page=1

    • mahaska

      This from a guy from Chicago where the cops have to carry machine guns.

  • typical irishman

    Isn’t it odd that government officials have a way of delving into the lives of people who oppose their points of view and use the information against them. But for some reason or the other no one seems to be able to confirm whether or not a presidential candidate is even a legal citizen of the United States. A matter of convenience I suppose.

    • PoliticsSuck

      “no one seems to be able to confirm whether or not a presidential candidate is even a legal citizen of the United States”

      There’s the conspiracy theories I was missing in this thread.

      I also don’t have very high regards for our government. But to think that someone hasn’t verified that Obama is indeed a citizen of the US is just plain, well, silly.

      • Zee

        Yes, there are morons in the threads of those discussions. One really mentally deficient soul even described Obama as an “illegal alien.”

        But cherry-picking silly comments doesn’t negate the entire discussion.

        The point is, for whatever reason, Obama is hiding his birth certificate and posting fraudulent ones on his “stop the smears” site.

        I don’t think citizenship is the issue.

        • jwrjr

          The fact that Obama is hiding … something … is the issue. Citizen Obama can (try to) hide whatever he wants. For Presidential Candidate Obama, it is another matter entirely.

      • typical irishman

        Well yes, Obama did say it was the silly season didn’t he? Was he referring to his aids or campaign managers who questioned whether or not McCain was an American citizen? I mean there is more than one candidate in this election. So why do you single out Obama as the questionable citizen unless you have doubts yourself of his citizenship–I did not even mention his name :)

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      There is an entire thread on here dedicated to this topic.

  • Surelock Homes

    Don’t you nitwits know that you cannot attack Obama and his followers simultaneously with an anttack on McCain and his followers while somehow hoping Hillary will rise from the dust of defeat? You’re only negating your total effect on the race. Pick an enemy and fight him!
    Pretty simple.

    • HARP

      I want to reach your mind – where is it currently located?

      • typical irishman

        SEE, SEE, SEE? I SEE, A HORSES HEAD WHERE HIS TAIL OUGHT TO BE. :) –YOBamagasms are easily recognized, being they are the only creatures who have to bend over to speak.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Rove’s comment about the NY TIMES indicates he is locked into the media critic role only on this topic.

  • Urban Hillbilly

    Rove not only ruined Plame’s career when he “outed” her, he ruined himself. And he knows it.

  • PoliticsSuck

    What’s this?! An article not bashing Obama?! And one bashing your compadres in the fight against Obama?!
    Where the usual conspiracy theories?

    • Surelock Homes

      NO QUARTER doesn’t seem to know who the enemy is. They’re so into the hope that Hillary will perform some sort of miracle and rise from the dead, they miss the bigger point. So, who is the enemy – Obama or McCain?

      • It’s Not Me

        NeoCons and Obamarrhoids.

        I don’t like McCain or anything he stands for (except his stance on the environment), but he’s getting MY vote in November. I’ll do whatever it take to stop the fraud BO from being elected.

      • typical irishman

        I don’t think many Americans would ever consider a war hero to be an “enemy” no more than they would consider the wife of a former American President to be an enemy. Only a racist would consider them both to be enemies, but that is only an anti american tactic practiced by anti american radicals.

        • PoliticsSuck

          I suppose you are implying that McCain is a war hero. A spotty interpretation at best. Didn’t he admit to killing babies? It was after being tortured, but according to you republicans tortore works so he must have been telling the truth.

          • typical irishman

            Troll worm castings

          • typical irishman

            At least I know McCain is an American, which is more than I or anyone else can confirm about Obama. Strange that some people can see their way to making snide remarks about an American who fought for them in order they could have the right to make those remarks, yet they will kiss the ass of a man who trys his damndest to stir racial discontent in order to achieve his goal. Shame on you. TSK TSK

            • http://deleted AnninCa

              lordy……not going there with you guys.

          • Zeke

            You have officially worn out your welcome, asshole.
            Courage and heroism are defined by people who have faced hell and come back.
            For you to spout such verbal diarrhea negates any other thoughts you might want to share here.

          • NY still loves Hillary

            Any American that was held as a POW is a war hero in my book. Most Americans that actually go to war for this country are, too.

      • Dawnelle

        R U blogging from GAZA????

        We don’t usually call the opposing party of the SAME UNITED STATES the enemy!! WTF?

        perhaps OBAMABOTS do that! Cuz they think EVERYONE but THEM are the enemy!

        “FK THAT” as PAUL SAYS!!!

        I won’t call any American an Enemy!
        (unless they out CIA agents and shit like that)

        Obamatrons/bots and the boys from GAZA may think you do shit like OFF your enemy in your OWN country but AMERICANS have historically been able to REASON and FUNCTION in a working society where MOST of the citizens are considerate of ALL of their neighbors views and opinions.

        With OUT calling them their ENEMY!!

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

          ;)

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Neither. I think the real enemy is lack of leadership.

        Both flunk that issue.

    • BluDawg

      WHEN WILL THEY TEACH ENGLISH IN GAZA?

      SIMPLY ILLITERATE!

  • It’s Not Me

    I’d love to see that whole bunch of thugs frog-marched in orange jumpsuits and hand cuffs. What they did to Valerie Plame was TREASONOUS. They can not be allowed to get away with it. No matter how hard Rove tries, he cannot change the facts of what he did.

  • Teakwood

    Rove should be in jail.

    Executive privilege should not apply. Congressional subpoenas are not to be ignored.

  • http://1strepublic14thstar.blogspot.com/ 1st Republic 14th Star

    One point Rove made that I always take issue with — Armitage was not “the leaker”.

    The “leaker” is not the first person who reveals a secret to a reporter. A “leaker” is not the first person whose revealed information gets disseminated in print, on the Internet, or on the airwaves.

    A “leaker” is EVERYONE who reveals to someone with no need to know something that’s supposed to be kept secret. The information becoming public doesn’t declassify it.

    I the case of Valerie Wilson, everyone who revealed her identity, including Armitage, Rove and Libby are equally guilty of “leaking.” Who leaked first is irrelevant.

  • zerostress

    Rove is all right. Remember, Hillary quoted one of his electoral maps.

    Clinton / Rove 2016

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Check out an article, guys, called “Lowering the Discourse.” It’s a review of Huffington’s book and so describes why the bloggers there ruin every discussion.

  • typical irishman

    Is the Spade the only trump YObamagasms have. How will the “SPADE” improve National Security, or the economy, or our national education system, or the energy problems, or our global status, or our infrastructure, or name it? What are the SPADE’s plans other than the RACE plan?

  • Cath

    Karl Rove is despicable. Always was and always willbe. I don’t care if he defended Hillary.

    • peter pentagram made too many enemies

      He’s symptomatic of the greater Republican kook, no one SANE can support him, or the neocons.

      Step back, and look at the implications of what Rove, and the others like him, do.

      How does the country survive?

      It doesn’t.

      Even with our defense, insane stupid men without strategy can’t win.

      Those Republicans who support Rove really have to think, and take a hard look at what has happened.

      They get so overwhelmed, and frightened, they can’t, like small children. So they shut down, and pretend everything is OK, further into denial.

      Like Pelosi, and Dean in regard to that other kook, Obama.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Exactly, Kathy. I do not subscribe to the idea that if I agree with a person on one issue that means I endorse that person entirely.

      Nonsense.

      I agreed with a lot of Rove’s observations about the primary season.

      I disagree with Rove entirely on his actions in regarding to this incident. I think he’s trying to make a very weak argument that it’s all about the press. It isn’t about the press at all.

      First of all, the NYTIMES needs to name names. They and other newsources must stop this “sources close” crap. Why? It used to be OK when journalists were honest. Today, it’s not because they have been shown to be liars. That needs to stop.

      So the entire argument is weak.

      Second, I agree with Larry that there is a huge difference between a covert and an overt staffer.

      I’m not sure I agree that the guy isn’t in danger. But I do agree with the distinction.

      • peter pentagram made too many enemies

        Rove is treasonous, you can’t buy into an enemy of state, period.

        It’s all candy floss and lollipops, the minute you do, and that’s what we see in the Washington, and Pentagon bubble.

        Maybe you just can’t see it.

  • Surelock Homes

    Obama loves you people who attack his opponents. Get real — Hillary is history. Now, pick your enemy and don’t divide your forces.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      You know what the ONE thing is that Dukakis, McGovern and Obama have in common, besides being fronted by radicals and children?

      Answer: their rude, threatening and arrogant followers.

    • Indyvoter

      The enemy is you.

      • peter pentagram made too many enemies

        Who?

        Someone once told me of a guy who said double dipping treason in the military is just how life is, at the top, in command.

        You think a KO0k who thinks like that is fit to command?

        Run a war?

        Smart enough to run a war?

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    For the first time in my life, I actually enjoying imagining what Pink Eyes has up his sleeve for this Presidential election season.

    • peter pentagram made too many enemies

      How sad for you, uppity, Rove is treasonous.

      How can you support a man who outs CIA agents, as a simple measure of defense, to protect his lil illegal war?

      (This is Simon, too, btw).

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Peter….I hear you. However, Rove can be brilliant on strategy.

        One can be both.

        • peter pentagram made too many enemies

          NO, he can’t.

          Treason is by it’s very nature flawed, it is NOT brilliant strategy, it is kook strategy.

          Period.

          This is neither the time nor the place, but sometime maybe we can have a discussion on why adherence to the US Constitution is the best guideline, and why guys like Cheney, and Rove have failed catastrophically.

          Rove, at the very least, cheated to elect Bush.

          how has that worked out for the US?

          What has Bush achieved? How did outing Plame weaken the US national defense, US security against the Russians, say, or in Iraq?

          A treasonous government, and a treasonous army cannot survive, period.

          Brilliant, my ass, Annie, his tactics indicate he isn’t even marginally bright.

          Imagine, say, Rove were set up, he wouldn’t even know…

  • Mandelay

    from the Hartford Courant:
    http://www.courant.com:

    (begin quote) Correction
    June 26, 2008
    •Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., received $20,000 in campaign contributions from Countrywide Financial Corp. over the past two decades, more than any senator except Barack Obama, D-Ill., who received $22,900 in that period. A June 19 story on Page A3 incorrectly reported that Dodd had received $25,000 and was the Senate’s top recipient of Countrywide contributions during that time. The incorrect information was published on the website of the Center for Responsive Politics, which gets information from the Federal Election Commission. Both the center and the FEC corrected their figures on Wednesday. (end quote)

  • openmind

    Unbelieveable. I know everybody here hates Obama, but how about actually reading THIS post from Larry and saving the Obama bashing for every other post.
    Before this campaign began Larry wrote several posts about this. Do you realize the significance of this story??? Karl Rove should have been tried for TREASON!! Do you get that?? TREASON – A CRIME ACTUALLY STATED AS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH IN ARTICLE III OF THE CONSTITUTION for outing an undercover CIA agent, not to mention all of the other agents that may have been killed as a result of this action.

    Do you realize Valerie Plame was the head of a dummy company that had other employees? So what has happened to them? We don’t know! Also, Ms. Plame was in charge of tracking down loose nukes. Sound familiar people against the war??

    Every other post is about the election. Please recognize this one for what it is. Karl Rove is the enemy of the enemy (Obama). That is why he is yourt friend. There is absolutely no other reason. Do some research. Look up Valerie Plame. Look up Don Siegleman, for God sake.

    • peter pentagram made too many enemies

      Both Obama, and rove are treasonous kooks, in my book.

      Stupid, useless treasonous kooks, no more than a bunch of Sims.

      I don’t give a shit about either, excpet to wake people up to what they have in Washington, and the need to put them ALL in prison.

      • peter pentagram made too many enemies

        Recipe for the day?

        Banana nut bread, with sour cream, and cream cheese frosting.

        Used to make it a lot in the 70′s, too, as a kid…

  • kcowley

    I spoke with Rove and I truly didn’t get the feeling that he wanted BO for the candidate. I imagine that the thought of BO as POTUS is just as scary to him ( and no I’m not a racist, He has no experience and lies) as it is to me and all the other PUMAs. Yeah, I know we’re talking Rove but just the same, I didn’t get that feeling. He said “You know , I still don’t get it, its like she just sat back and let him take it” I started watching Fox because the alternatives were repugnant, then noticed Rove defend Hillary, even surprisingly Craig Crawford said that he always tunes in for Rove’s take on the election. A

    • peter pentagram made too many enemies

      Rove is treasonous, I don’t give a flying fuck what he says.

      See, you dont argue tactics with enemies of sate, you convict them of treason.

  • Dan R.

    While Karl Rove may not be the best person to be publicly complaining about a CIA agent’s cover being blown, he has a definite point here. The NY Times had no compelling reason whatsoever for revealing that CIA agent’s name other than to bare their asses to the world and show that they could. I read the article in its entirety and keeping the guy’s name confidential, or giving him a fictitious name, would have in no way detracted from the substance of the story itself.

    But not only did the NY Times publish his name after the agent specifically asked them not to do so, but they also published the name of the place where he’s now working! While they’re at it, why didn’t they just go ahead and publish his home address, the names of his kids, and where they go to school???

    Being able to do something doesn’t necessarily mean that you should do it, and with freedom of the press there also comes a responsibility to use that freedom prudently.

    The NY Times totally sucks. No wonder their circulation numbers are in the toilet.

    • peter pentagram made too many enemies

      I don’t argue theory, or tactics, with enemies of state, get it?

      • peter pentagram made too many enemies

        For instance, Russia is still an enemy of the US, games nations play, just the way it is.

        John McCain’s top adviser, an unschooled yuppie cartoon, takes money from an anti American Russian oligarch, and no one sees a problem.

        Smart people do, though.

        Some would consider it a brilliant asymmetric move on behalf of the Russian government, allocating a Sto0piD American lobbyist, with a future president’s ear, and then holding him, financially.

        Isn’t that how former FBI traitor Robert Hannsen worked?

        The Russians gave him money, and he used his position to advocate for them, pass information, within the US government?

        And he worked sensitve IT, didn’t he?

      • NY still loves Hillary

        Peter

        You have made your point exceptionally clear. People do, however, also have the right to other opinions, and thankfully Larry provides us a home to state them here. Please don’t risk people not taking your argument seriously by being belligerent. You’ll lose the people who agree with you.

        • peter pentagram made too many enemies

          Not when it comes to treason, we’re fighting for the integrity of our government, rove has been a fucking retarded disaster, as have the rest of the republican ko0ks.

          I will not back down here, treason is zero tolerance, I dont think you understand the greater implications.

          But thanks for your input…

  • ClydeSloppers

    OK but Rove has been providing some good analysis on the presidential race on Fox as has Pat Buchanan on MSNBC and yes Dick Morris.

  • Judy

    When I saw Larry at the hearings about outing Valerie Plame is really when I fell in love with him! It made me feel good to be an American. (Maybe Michelle should have watched it too!)

    You know I expected bad things to happen during a Bush presidency, but I really never thought they would do something like this. I thought Bush jr would have had more respect for CIA agents, since Poppy was the Director at one time. I just give the Bushes too much credit I guess. What bothered me was the way people acted like it really wasn’t a big deal. Wasn’t it Rove and Cheney that were saying she was just a desk jockey? Then in the same breath, they said it was her that sent her husband to Niger. Oh really? Is the CIA hurting so bad that they have to get the husband of a desk jockey to take a trip for them?

    • Zeke

      This would take too long to go into, but to sum up, the CIA that Bush’s dad ran didn’t resemble the CIA of the son.
      Blame whoever you want, but the fact is that there was a significant change and turnover at the CIA after Bush1.
      There may have been no love lost between them by the time Bush2 got there.
      We DID go through a time where the CIA was viewed as a dinosaur with little utility after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Sorry, but Bill did fuck that up pretty bad.

      • peter pentagram made too many enemies

        He’s so proud, and he’s so proud of Bill…

        • peter pentagram made too many enemies

          What I meant to say was can you imagine, say, the world thinking the CIA, and other defense, functioned at the level of Bush, declined to the level of Bush, but the reality was movement in the other direction?

          I mean, I can imagine some Russian waking up to find out the last 50 years, since Kennedy’s death, esp the last 15, were all essentially misinformation, in terms of defense capabilities, or tolerance of treason?

          Would make a good movie, I suppose…

          Hmm….

  • kcowley

    I agree with Rove and Buchanan but Dick Morris and good advice has escaped me. His loathing for the Clintons is palpable and his responses are always predictable.

    • Judy

      I want to throw up when I see Dick Morris. I really cannot stand him. How he ever got a hooker to sleep with him is beyond me.

      • peter pentagram made too many enemies

        I believe he just sucked her toes, right, no sex?

  • Nobama Mama

    Larry, I am just not following your reasoning re: Rove and Matt Cooper. They may have had a conversation, but nothing came of it. Cooper did not write a story. If there was a leak of significance it was from Armitage.

    I say if because, while I fully respect and understand your feelings on this matter in principle, I cannot understand how you can believe the Wilsons felt threatened given their behavior in the months that followed. Posing for Vanity Fair, selling their story to Hollywood, being seen all over DC, that is not the conduct of a couple in fear for their lives.

    As for your criticism of how Rove views the NY Times leak, Larry, you have to realize that you are a security analysis of far more sophistication than 99.99% of the population. My reaction to what the Times did was the same as Karl’s.

    • Zeke

      Mama,
      I agree. The Times seems to have done it only for spite. But since it was taken over by twelve year-olds whose sole joy is in self derived ‘moveon.orgasms, we should not be surprised.

    • peter pentagram made too many enemies

      Karl Rove committed treason.

      How the hell can you find it acceptable, Plame, or not?

      Something is wrong with you, IMO, when you answer this question about Rove, and his actions, incorrectly.

      Kinda get it?

      I’m glad you don’t work in intelligence, or the military, pretty easy to blow by that kook shit.

      The kind of reasoning that passes for intellect in the Cheney/Rove low IQ crowd.

      LOL

      If you only KNEW…and it should explain everything.

      Imagine an MI/intelligence world where the treasonous are still held accountable, still held in contempt, and Rove can’t compete, isn’t even a poof (ter) in the wind, is he??

      Ah, looking at a diaper change, aren’t we?

  • http://Sicktodeath Ed Reed

    Great post sir and I’m sure I’ll have the privilege of reading more like it once you find out that Hillary suspended her campaign and has endorsed Obama and you can get back to doing what you do best.

    Thanks Again.

    Ed Reed

  • http://www.hcsfjm.com/ Evelyn

    LARRY SINCLAIR IS IN HIDING! HERE IS A 38 MINUTE RADIO INTERVIEW HE DID LAST NIGHT! I DO BELIEVE YOU WILL FIND THE THINGS HE REVEALS ABOUT HIS ARREST VERY, VERY INTERESTING!

    http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_L_Sinclair_062508.mp3

    THE LATEST ATTACKS AND ABUSE OF OFFICIAL POWER BY THE OBAMA CAMP
    Posted by Larry Sinclair on Wednesday, June 25, 2008

    I will not be online due to a connection problem and am getting this posted through the assistance of my host.

    The following shows that the Delaware matter is nothing more than a vindictive attack by the Obama Camp those in powerful places who support Barack Obama’s dirty Chicago Style Politics.

    On June 16 and 17, 2008 two letters from the Social Security Administration were mailed to my Duluth home stating that my disability and medical benefits had been terminated for the following reasons:

    “Our records show that the following warrant for your arrest was issued for a parole or probation violation:”

    Issued by: New Castle County Superior Court

    N King Street, Ste 500

    Wilmington, DE 19801

    Date of Warrant: February 5, 2008

    Type of crime: probation or parole violation

    Warrant Number: U708000607

    Originating case number: U708000607

    NCIC Number: W283822252

    What is so telling about this is the following:

    1. I am not now nor have I ever been on probation or parole from the State of Delaware.

    2. I have not ever been charged with, tried nor convicted of any crime in the state of Delaware

    3. The information contained in this letter does not match the case number indicated on the court documents dated June 23, 2008 from the “alleged” warrant used to arrest me by DC Metro Police on June 18, 2008.

    I am not on any probation or any parole from any State or Jurisdiction of any kind nor have I been since my Colorado Parole was discharged on May 5, 2000.

    It is just amazing how I am being targeted with non-stop manufactured warrants and charges which only surfaced after I began making public my claims against Barack Obama.

    Even more interesting is Social Securities letter being dated the exact same dates that the DC Metro Police and the National Press Club security director begin organizing their plan to take me into custody on a non-existent “Fugitive from Justice” warrant.

    THIS ACTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLORADO MATTER AS PER SSA OWN PROCEDURES. SO ANY CLAIMS BY OTHER BLOGGERS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACTION ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THEIR TRYING TO APPEAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEY ARE. THIS ACTION WAS DONE BY OFFICIALS CONNECTED TO THE OBAMA CAMP AND THE DATE OF THE SSA LETTER SUPPORTS THIS.

  • Philip Henika

    Perhaps it was the ‘soft’ approach that Martinez used with KSM that irked Rove (in contrast to torture favored by many Bush Administrators):

    How al Qaeda mastermind was made to talk
    Interrogator took a quiet approach after others inflicted pain
    San Francisco Chronicle
    © 2008 Hearst Communications Inc.

    This article appeared on page A – 7 of the San Francisco Chronicle
    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/22/MNVF11D755.DTL
    Scott Shane, New York Times
    Sunday, June 22, 2008
    (06-22) 04:00 PDT Washington – –

    “…In a makeshift prison in the north of Poland, al Qaeda’s engineer of mass murder faced off against his Central Intelligence Agency interrogator. It was 18 months after the Sept. 11 attacks, and the invasion of Iraq was giving Muslim extremists new motives for havoc. If anyone knew about the next plot, it was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

    The interrogator, Deuce Martinez, a soft-spoken analyst who spoke no Arabic, had turned down a CIA offer to be trained in waterboarding. He chose to leave the infliction of pain and panic to others, the gung-ho paramilitary types whom the more cerebral interrogators called “knuckledraggers.”

    Martinez came in after the rough stuff, the ultimate good cop with the classic skills: an unimposing presence, inexhaustible patience and a willingness to listen to the gripes and musings of a pitiless killer in rambling, imperfect English. He achieved a rapport with Mohammed that astonished his fellow CIA officers..”

  • NY still loves Hillary

    I think we need to consider very carefully the old adage “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. This is the exact belief system that spawned Osama bin Laden. It is, in large part, responsible for America’s loss of respect and power in the global community and the attitude that many groups have towards us including Al Qaeda, Hamas, and the Iranians (IMO).

    Given that most of us here at NQ are devastated by the recent actions of the DNC and the raping of democracy, I suspect that the time may be at hand to take the higher road here and continue to consider Karl Rove exactly what he is (and that ain’t good). A few well-placed remarks in the MSM supporting Senator Clinton do not make him any less of a slime bucket.

    Yes, Rove is brilliant. Barack Obama is also fairly intellectual (yes, trolls, I said it). But in both these cases, having access to great mental faculties has not served these men well, as neither (IMO) have any type of a moral compass whatsoever. In Rove’s case, it goes beyond self-aggrandisement (again, IMO) and actually becomes a game to him. He probably did not have anything to do with the obviously long-standing Democratic plan to annoint Obama, but don’t fool yourself into complacency thinking he can’t see a wonderful opportunity and capitalize on it.

    While perhaps not an active participation in the coronation, and definitely not a believer, I am quite sure that Mr. Rove has dabbled his hand into the pot to assist the MSM and other “powers that be” in reaching their end goal (quite possibly without them even knowing it). Don’t forget – we are nothing more to Rove than the enemy of his enemy, but that enemy doesn’t become official until late August. Right now, Obama is the enemy of his long-standing enemy, Hillary Clinton. If you don’t think that Rove has the ability to bring Obama down “for the good of the country” right here and now, you are being truly naive (IMO). So let’s be careful who we trust, and sparing with the praise. A scorpion is always going to sting you; it’s in his nature.

    • NY still loves Hillary

      Sorry – should be “While perhaps not an active participant”

  • It’s Not Me

    G-d are you stupid. Rove wants BO to be the candidate as the entire Republican Party does.

    Sometimes wrong is wrong and right is right. KKKRove deserves to be in jail and Obamarrhoid is UNQUALIFIED to be President. I know, it’s hard for the cut n’ dry Black n’ White mindless wonders that troll for pay, but those are FACTS.

    KKKRove is a CRIMINAL and Obamarrhoid is UNQUALIFIED to be President. Being against them BOTH is the RIGHT THING.

  • typical irishman

    worm shit as usual from a YObamagasm

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I’ve noticed an amazing inability of progressives to discern from one subject to the next or to evaluate based on content. Rove’s comments during the primary were pretty sharp. Likely that was because he was more objective.

    That has little to do with his obvious wrongdoing with the CIA.

    Yesterday I posted a fairly light but succinct piece on 10 reasons to have concern over Obama. It summed up a lot of criticism. The progressives simply couldn’t comment at all on anything other than the source of the article.

    It’s the Huffington Post style. There’s a great piece today describing you guys. Exaggerated, rude, unable to discuss the issue…..an accurate description for sure.

    The article’s title: Lowering the Discourse.

    He called you “huffers.” I thought that fit.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Pretty simple, Simon.

    Freaking astrotrolls. I hope they give you guys good Obama blow-up dolls to help assuage your humiliation.

    How can you whore yourselves out for such a despicable fraud as Larry Sinclair’s 8-ball buddy?

    The things people will do for money.

    *Shakes head*

  • Dawnelle

    do you think you are a soothsayer or apostle????

    roflmao!

    WARNING LARRY DOOM AND GLOOM UPON YOU!

    what a bunch of eeeeeeeeeediot trolls!

  • BluDawg

    http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/friends-of-obama-double-duty-allison.html

    Obama get’s tied in knots with cronie connections.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I do see the effects of the lowering of discourse on this site, too, at times.

    The thesis of the article, which I roundly applaud, is what I call the “exaggeration” tactic.

    Someone disagrees on a policy issue. There is no longer any way to discuss just the issue. The person who authored the bill becomes labeled quickly in inflammatory language. He’s “Rovian,” “Machivellian,” etc.

    With that tactic, all real discussion of the actual flipping issue is lost forever.

    That is the Huffer style. Not just her own writing, which is so bad I can hardly drag myself through a single piece she’s written, but also it is the style of her bloggers.

    It’s to the point where I crave hearing Buchanan, because at least the man can talk with clarity and without extrapolating to the point of absurdity. Even when I disagree with him, I don’t feel as though I’ve jumped into a tank with 7th graders.

    I do also see the Huffington style of turning everything into a smear or an issue on character to be dangerous, inauthentic, and hate-filled. I see that same attitude in response from many people here.

    I don’t like it particularly on either side, but it doesn’t take too long to figure out which topics bring that out and which do not.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Hey Denny, you are nothing but a pimple on the ass of this site. You are about as effective as a screen door in a submarine. I suggest you ask yourbarackobama so send in a replacement.

  • Zeke

    How much koolaid you snorted today?

  • Dawnelle

    that was for Denny btw

    not Paul

  • Dawnelle

    WE HATE OBAMA (most of us)

    why are you here???
    (2nd thought, no don’t answer that)

    it would be BS and LIES like your Messiah! (shudder) ew @ the grossness of it all!

  • Dawnelle

    LOL@screendoor on a sub

    ROFLOL! Good one Gf! ;-)

  • NY still loves Hillary

    AnninCA

    I, too, have noticed this trend here at No Quarter, precisely as you describe it. However I have also been able to discern that a vast majority of the time it is coming from trolls. Not the virulent type that scream, snark and rant at us, but the subtle kind who post here simply to make us look like idiots and nut-jobs.

    Before you get too discouraged, I would suggest you do 2 things:

    1) Read the link to Riverdaughter’s article “How to Depress a Rat” in a post up-thread.
    2) Stop in for a tune-up on your “trolldar”. It may be out of alignment due to overuse :)

  • peter pentagram made too many enemies

    Karl Roev outed a CIA agent, we know this.

    To minimize this is suspect.

    Get it?