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A Belleville West High School (southwestern Illinois) student was beaten aboard a bus on the way to school Monday, and a police spokesman said the beating could be racially motivated.

The 17-year-old victim was white and the teen assailants were black. Police released a video of the beating, which shows the victim being punched repeatedly while other students on the bus gather to watch, some cheering. It doesn’t appear that the victim did anything to provoke an attack and tried only to defend himself. Police said it all unfolded in a five-minute span.

The victim was trying to find a seat and was told by two students he could not sit next to them, police said. As he walked to the seat, someone shouted, “Beat his ass.” When he did sit down, one teen tried to push him out of his seat then began grabbing the victim’s neck and punching him in the face. With each punch, some in the crowd chanted, “Boom, boom, boom.”

The victim eventually returned to his seat, but another student began taunting him a few minutes later. The victim was then struck in the face. It was unclear what, if anything, the bus driver did to stop the attack. At one point, before the second attack, a man shouts, “Sit down guys.”

Students intervened to help the victim both times.

“In my estimation, it’s racially motivated,” said Capt. Don Sax of the Belleville Police Department. He said one reason he had formed this opinion was that many of the students, most of whom were black, yelled their support for the beating. “There was absolutely no justification for the beating either time,” Sax said.

Later the police department released this statement:

A Belleville police spokesman now says an incident where a white student was beaten by teen black assailants on a bus “may not be racially motivated.”

“It was premature on my part,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax. “It was my personal and emotional comment after only seeing the video briefly.” Sax said police interviewed the 17-year-old Belleville West High student. However, he said he was unaware of what the student told police.

Some of the students on the bus yesterday during the incident cheered the beating, the video shows.

Sax said a formal statement would be made available later today. “After having reviewed the video, it doesn’t strike me nearly as racially motivated,” Sax said.

I don’t know if this kid was beat up because he was white, or because he was a target of bullies in general, or a nerd (as someone in the comments suggested) or what, but this is f*cking disgusting.

All of those kids cheering, laughing and just sitting there! There is one boy, in a tan polo shirt who pulls off the kid, assisted by the kid in the green sweater. This is after he refused to allow this boy to sit with him. Then the green sweater kid pulls off the second attacker.

And the bus driver! I would driven straight to a police station. He never stopped the bus, or went to help the kid. Although, he was probably afraid.

WTF is wrong with kids? Who are these people? I can’t even imagine having to send my kids off to school these days. You send them off to school, and they get verbally and physically assaulted. It is just disgusting, and terribly sad.

The only two kids who don’t seem to think this is extremely funny is the girl in the headband, and the white kid with curly hair near her. I don’t know if you have ever been up close and personal while people are fighting but it is scary. This can be quite scary for kids to witness. (Obviously not for all those who are whooping it up laughing…although, I suppose some might have been to afraid to not laugh?)

So, was it racially motivated? Most likely he became a target because he is one of very few white kids. But that really isn’t the issue – I don’t want to turn it into an ugly black vs. white thing (like the media does with EVERYTHING having to do with Obama – have you heard the latest one about the white hoods).

It is a problem for ALL kids who are attacked by bullies. The issue is this type of behavior in school towards any kid. This is the kind of sh*t that drives kids to initiate a Columbine. These two criminals beat the shit out of this kid because he is different. Hate crime, anyone? These two should be expelled, and arrested. (This is the type of situation I think is perfect for those military type boot camps for troubled teens.)

Two Belleville West students accused of beating a classmate on a school bus Monday have been suspended and are awaiting the possible filing of formal charges in juvenile court.

Police called the attack by two black students against a white student racially motivated.

The suspects, ages 14 and 15, have been suspended as the result of the beating and choking of a 17-year-old student, confirmed Superintendent Greg Moats.

The 17-year-old victim was one of just a few white students on the crowded bus about 8 a.m. Monday. A surveillance video from a camera mounted inside the bus shows the victim being choked and punched by two other students after he took one of the first available seats on the bus.

“He sat down. It all erupted,” Moats said. In the video, the bus driver can be heard telling the students to “sit down” and using a radio to report a fight. He never stopped the bus or got up from his seat to address the fighting. When a student told the bus driver the victim was bleeding, the bus driver can be heard saying that a nurse would be waiting at the school.>

I do have to ask though, if this were a group of white kids, and it was a black kid beaten, how would the media handle this story? Do you think the MSM will cover it? Do you think Al Sharpton will race to Illinois and scream *hate crime*?

UPDATE: Since writing this the Police have determined that race was not a factor, and it was a case of bullying. OK, so a white kid is attacked by two black kids, with a dozen other black kids laughing and egging them on, and it is just bullying.

Why then, if two white kids attack a black kid is it not considered bullying? It doesn’t seem like that is ever even considered. Before the band-aids are even applied, Al Sharpton is in his bat mobile, racing to the scene to cry racism. It is automatically always about race. Any dissent by white people is immediately because of race. Just ask Jimmy Carter. Is that plausible?

UPDATE TWO:

Two Belleville West High School students were charged under the juvenile code today with felony counts of aggravated battery stemming from the violent beating of a 17-year-old student on a school bus earlier this week.

The two teenagers—who are 14 and 15 years-old—were charged as juveniles because they are under the age of 17. Illinois law shields the disclosure of their names because they are minors.

FROM LARRY JOHNSON–I commend our lady in Italy for an important piece. It is essential that those who want to comment on this keep in mind that it is not the color of the skin of the attackers but their actions that are at issue. I am sure we could also find an instance or two of white on black and white on white and black on black. The real issue is why these kids feel that the only way to deal with a situation is to beat the crap out of someone who is weaker. That is bullying, pure and simple.

While people like Jimmy Carter want to play the race card and insist that the only reason people are opposing Barack Obama is because he is “black.” When you have a Caucasian mother and a Kenyan father why does that make you “black?” The only thing it makes you is the son of a Caucasian mother and Kenyan father. I truly despise anyone who judges another person by the color of their skin. Skin pigment and melanin concentration is something we do not have control over. How we act towards one another, however, is within our control.

Let’s keep that in mind. We will criticize Obama and praise Obama (when it is warranted) because of what he does. Not how he looks. Please keep that in mind as you comment.

  • Nellie

    In The USA it’s only RACIST if you are white and do NOT agree w/Obama (SNARK – sorta)

    There was another incident Friday in St. Louis;
    2nd (White) Boy Beaten on St. Louis School Bus (Video)

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/2nd-white-boy-beaten-on-st-louis-school.html

  • Ginger

    The bus driver should have called the police and pulled over to wait for them.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    there has been a lot of new info since i originally wrote this. I guess the driver is on suspension pending review. But, I think you are right. He should have pulled over and called police.

  • wbboei

    When Mr. Obama and his operatives elected to play the race card in his campaign this result became inevitable. He used the race card against Hillary in South Carolina, and the New York Times article shows that contrary to his denials, it came from him. He has since used it to govern, as we have seen in the context of the health care debate. I believe the Obama people are merely testing the water and it will not reach critical mass until sometime next year, when it will impact elections. If they can terrorize people as the did at the Democratic Convention which kept a number of Hillary delegates in their rooms, then they can prevail. This is a tool for social control and suppression of dissent. Also, it leads to indiscriminate violence as we see in this tape. So when he asks to speak to the children of this country as he did a few weeks ago bear in mind he already has. What would I do with these young students who Mr. Obama reached with his dog whistle. If I were prosecuting, I would ask the jury to throw them in the La Brea Tarpit where they belong. If I were defending I would say before you do so blame Mr. Obama. He lit the fuse.

  • candymarl

    This is what I was afraid of. Constant charges of racism can lead to violence on either side.

    Kids watch the news too. When will the MSM address these cases where someone was physically injured? When will the pundits call for calm? Where are the community leaders on this? Color shouldn’t matter.

    Adults should be all over TV to help these kids to see that this type of bullying is never justified.

  • Tammy

    wbboei:

    Excuse me? Did you say that Hillary delegates were terrorized and stayed in their rooms?
    I read some of the stuff that went on in the Democratic primary, and I was appalled, but I never heard THIS. And why didn’t the media cover something as big as THAT?

    Man, the Dems need to throw these thugs out of office. Unbelievable.

    Obama has lit the match, and I think you might be right: the fuse will be ignited before the 2010 elections.

  • HARP

    Obama could end it today, if he sat down and spoke to Americans, and told them to STOP IT! He never did last year so I don`t expect him to start now.

  • Anthony

    As so many others have pointed out, if it were the other way around, all hell would break loose.

    Re: racism and politics, Charles Krauthammer has an excellent explanation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95QhdMLn9c

  • Tammy

    What a horrible story.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    Really. It was disgusting. When I saw the typical, just wanting to work out his hate by grabbing the boys neck to be able to pummel his face without interruption or the boy freeing himself, it made me sick.

    And then the second one to join in, because he saw he could get away with it with the support of his Cheerers. Give me a break. Not racist, huh?

    I’ve been there. And my beatings in school were racial. Growing up in Miami in the 70′s. Traveling always in a group so they have protection and support to do their bidding. They make their mark, see what they can get away with and go for it. They always make excuses for it. Then it was “because of what you did to us years ago” Quote!

    That included my first mark, when I was walking home and a girl riding on anothers handlebars knuckled me in the back as they went by. Then the next morning, they waited for me, I was by myself, they were a group of about 8 standing in front of a 7-11 waiting for me to walk through them and the same girl started punching me in the face. They now knew they got away with it, so then a few days later when I started walking home another way to avoid them, they found me and their group grew and proceded to punch me on my already bruised face.

    Then, they threaten my best friend, a black girl, to not be seen with me. And this sister who started it, her brother was a good friend of mine in elementary school just the year prior.

    Or, another episode when I was in Highschool and the end of the year was seen as a good time to “work out frustrations” because they couldn’t be expelled from school. My Mom was picking me up so I didn’t get beaten up walking home. One day she wasn’t there, I thought she wasn’t coming, so I started walking home. There was a group of about 15 boys, BIG boys, waiting on both sides of the street. I knew if I walked down the middle that would be it, so I turned off early. They broke up to find me…and they did. I still have my two scars from that episode. I woke up with them hovering over me. My clothes torn, I got up and started running home without stopping through one interesection or looking back for fear they were following me. My mother waited across the bridge of the canal and started screaming and crying as soon as she saw me approaching.

    When I didn’t return to school the last 3 days, but instead would walk to pick up my little sister from elementary school, (6 years younger) I was actually recognized for my beating. How, I don’t know. But the boy said those words I typed above, when I asked why, “it’s because of what you did to us years ago”. I told him, “it wasn’t me who did it and it wasn’t them that had anything done to”.

    OK, I’ll spare the rest and in between. :)

  • Nobama4me

    I lived in the area too: O’Fallon. I can vouch for everything you say, Tek. We moved before the O’Fallon/Fairview Heights/Collinsville area could be swallowed by Belleville/East St.Louis., about 3 years ago. We live in Florida now.Didn’t know things had progressed (regressed would probably be a better term) so much, I am getting worried because my son still lives there and works at the Scott AFB as a civilian.

  • ces

    If this is affirmative “action”, no thanks…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I cannot watch this video again it is shocking!! The driver continued on his route and never batted an eye and never pulled over. OMG surely part of their training is how to react in a serious situation!
    I hope the student has strong family support around him.

    ImaLlindatoo my heart goes out to you. My daughter was attacked in the first week of the summer vacation this year. I was beside myself when she called me, luckily she did not look too bad. The sad part about it all was the girl who attacked her we had allowed her into our home and had tried to offer her some solace as her home life was off balance in many ways. My daughter fought back and luckily the girl ended up worse off.
    We were able to quell the situation getting out of control and the rest of the summer passed OK.

    However now everyone is back in school I can feel the tension rising once again. As a mother it is difficult at times trying to find the right balance in protecting our children.

    The cell phone and internet age has heightened the tension between kids in a big way. I monitor my daughters text messages etc and it makes my hair stand on end some of the content in the messages.

  • candymarl

    I agree with Mr. Krauthammer on this. But I think Juan Williams is a little off the mark. He says the WH doesn’t want to have this conversation.

    Obama has been touted as the most intelligent POTUS ever. Let’s not talk about that Rhodes scholar thing with Bill Clinton. But let’s say what’s been said about Obama is true. He can’t change the debate? He can’t publicly call for a stop to this kind of thing? Of course he can. So far he has chosen not to speak. To me, that alone speaks volumes.

  • kgirl1028

    Umm you mean the way the cover up everything else Obama and his operatives do, and glance over what might have been a million or more people at the nations capital protesting his administration. LOL. Don’t hold your breath, i think we might be stuck with obama for eight years if the media has it’s way.

  • Tammy

    A bit off topic, but this is hilarious…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05RZJxDIhTU

  • Diana L. C.

    Two stories from my life.

    First as a young teacher in a small town in Colorado, I had a transfer student put into one of my classes. A tiny, blonde girl from Detroit. Later, when I spoke with some of the football players in my class about a project they were working on to see if there was a problem with her–I had heard rumors–they told me they were afraid of this girl–of all people. They said they were afraid they would end up killing her or her killing one of them if there was a disagreement because she got so nasty and physical if someone crossed her.

    I took the girl aside to talk with her about it. She said that she could see their point. Apparently she had grown up in an all AA section of Detrois and had learned to fight hard to prove herself or be bullied constantly. It was a totally different thing for her in Colorado and she was having to adjust and learn different reactions to disagreements. The poor girl couldn’t read past second grade level (she was in ninth grade), so she felt totally inferior around the other students in class.

    Later teaching in another small town in Colorado, my newspaper editor (white) was dating an AA boy on the basketball team. She wrote an editorial that resulted in my being called in with her to the principal’s office (in Colorado administrators do not have prior review of student newspapers). Her commentary was about the fact that she had become shocked as she heard all the AAs and Hispanics calling each other racial names that she KNEW she couldn’t or wouldn’t call any of them–since she had been taught not to do something like that since was very young. She didn’t think that they should do it to each other if it was not o.k. for others to do it, and she really felt that the coaches should make them stop. (She had witnessed this while doing homework as she waited for him to get out of practice.) The principal felt she lied and exaggerated, but as a well-trained journalist :-) , she had written it in her notebook, recorded time and date and names, etc. He was trying to save face for the coaches–because she was RIGHT in her comments.

    My point is this: Here out in fairly small town Colorado, where I didn’t even see an AA until I was fourteen, we have probably all witnessed way more of the opposite type of racial problems because they can get away with it. And in Denver just last year the news was about a reverse incident again when a mostly white team played a mostly AA team as they were heading for state finals.

  • Ani

    He has advantaged himself at every turn by this divisiveness. The threat of being called racist if one didn’t vote for him is ewhat helped him get elected. Krauthammer was right by saying that when you call someone a racist, it stops the discussion cold.

    That is what Axelrod and Co. counted on last year and what they continue to count on to push through Obama’s policies. Only when peaceful protest to this falsehood reaches critical mass will he stop. Only when a huge bucket of those pushing this false meme are voted out will this stop. In other words, only when the WH sees this is backfiring on them big time and he is polling in the low 30s will this stop. Not a moment before.

  • jwrjr

    Unfortunately, AA kids attacking a convenient white kid is not a new development. It happened tp me 30 years ago. I was rummaging about in my locker and felt a blow to the side of my head. I looked up to see 2 Black kids running away … and nobody else in the hallway.
    But 2 AA kids beating up a white kid on a bus, with others AAs cheering? Nah, nothing racial about that. (/sarcasm)

  • candymarl

    I think most people here have it all wrong.
    WTH was the white kid doing on that bus? Maybe he whispered the word “KKK”? Perhaps he asked “May I sit here please”? thus showing his attempt at white superiority. Are his parents teabaggers? Huh? Huh?

    Perhaps this was paid for by the right-wing who attempt, with their infinite racism, to stir up trouble.

    So you see if this kid had not kept throwing his body against these kids fists the whole thing could have been avoided.

    Sincerely,

    OBOTS-R-US

  • ImaLlindatoo

    Yes, I said the same thing right below. This is the behavior they chose and goal they reach for when they are emboldened, not their potential.

    You are right about the retribution thing. And yes, it goes both ways. When I was jumped by the High Schoolers, being older and sisters and me having boyfriends, Karate was big back then. Oh, gosh, I remember Chico and John and Super Red(Paul) taking to the streets with their Nunchuks, etc, as if they were going to find them and being good souls, I doubt would have done anything anyhow…and they didn’t. But that I know can be rare in these situations.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    roflmao

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Tammy,

    I went to Denver precisely because I witnessed the obama supporters doing some very questionable things during the caucus process in Texas. I got them on video handing out extra delegate cards to obama supporters without first making certain that they were on the list as a delegate from that particular precinct.

    I also interviewed one delegate and spoke with another (who did not want to be on camera) and was told that the night before the Convention, they were told by the DNC party leaders that they were NOT to vote for Hillary, no matter what. They were told to vote for obama. She was clearly frightened by the intimidation used in making this demand, although the DNC rules clearly state that a super delegate can vote for whomever they want, no matter if Hillary “released” them or not. They were sent to the Convention to vote for a particular candidate by those in their various precincts and their duty was to first vote for the candidate they were sent there to support.

    The DNC played with the rules during the primary and after to make certain obama got the nomination and the obama camp and his supporters actions during the caucuses around the country have been documented by Dr. Lynette Long clearly showing that they gamed and in some cases, committed criminal acts, during the caucus process. Where was the MSM?

    The recent ACORN scandal only supports the growing concern that obama is truly a Chicago politician and will do anything to obtain power.

    The chickens are coming home to roost on top of obama’s head.

  • Animal Control

    Maybe he could invite the attackers and the victim to the white house for a oudoor milkshake.

  • Ginger

    It looks like it may have been a pre-planned attack. Watch as a male student who is already seated moves forward into another seat closer to the victim.
    Certainly they all know that they are being taped. Why the pre-planned attack in front of a camera? I think it was because they knew that the tape would make it to YouTube. Maybe it was part of some kind of initiation. Either on the victim’s part or the group’s part. Whatever the case, something doesn’t jive.

  • Anthony

    candymarl ,

    Williams is more than a little off the mark. He’s way off.

    If Obama “doesn’t want to have this conversation”, then all he has to do is tell his team of idiots savvy advisors to STFU about it.

    Besides being a smart move, that would make him appear “Presidential” (gag)

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I think the thing that the media loves to forget is that the violence goes both ways. The white on black seems to be the offences that garner the most media attention, but they happen both ways.

    However, most crimes are committed within race.
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

    Interesting Hate Crimes stats, especially page 8:
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    he probably moved forward because they were yelling…

    they were denying the kid a place to sit, and kept telling him no, he couldn’t sit with them, he finally sat down, and then it started.

    i’m sure it has been an ongoing thing. they have been picking on this kid. i seriously don’t know why kids treat others like this, especially after all the school shootings. i would be scared to death to pick on someone and have them come back to school and shoot me. this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes kids go postal.

  • WhatNow

    My daughter lives in the Belleville Area and she has noted that racial conflict is escalating in this area. AA’s travel in groups. At the mall, if you’re by yourself, the AA’s will fan out so that you can’t go around them. Than they elbow you, as they walk past. When she’s on the Metro, going/coming from work, she gets harassed by AA’s because she won’t give them her phone number. They follow her to her car, harassing her.

    These are not isolated incidences that just happen to her. This area is a powder keg, waiting to blow.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    Oh, my heart goes out to you and your daughter. You’re still dealing with it. I know how my Mom hurt through the many episodes.

    It is true that you have to stand up to the aggressor. I had had enuf, when I heard they were next going to smash my face in the the water fountain when I first arrived at school, being that I always did after walking 2 miles to school. I realized me avoiding wasn’t making it go away. So, I dared them, in front of their friends. I walked right up through the middle of them waiting on the school steps, walked over to the water fountain and took a sip of water right in front of them (with my heart beating a mile a minute) stood straight, turned around and stared each one down and then turned and walked away. They never bothered me again.

    Being strong and not having to stoop to their level calls them out and places them right many times.

    I hope your daughters abuser learned enough to not go there again.

    Good luck.

  • socalannie

    God, that is truly sick. I agree with the posters upthread that the driver should’ve pulled the hell over, called the cops and had the thugs arrested. What a sick world. I hope the victim gets to sue the families of the beaters, and I hope they’re tossed out of school for good. When I was in high school, I was beaten up by two girls (I am white & they were Mexican, altho I don’t think it was racially motivated, I think it was jealousy motivated) & my Dad badgered the DA to make sure they didn’t get away with it. They both ended up doing time in juvenile facility & tossed out of school. It was terrifying; I was lucky to be rescued before they could carve me up with a pair of scissors…they had also told me they were going to cut off my hair & eyelashes! I never forgot it & one of the reasons why I decided no kid of mine would ever go to high school (my own son is a happy homeschooleer).

  • socalannie

    That is really scary.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I’ve seen that behavior before in another state. I worked in a school where whites were the minority and I saw what elementary age AA kids would do to the white kids – very similar – but usually they were trying to get the other kid to give them something – their coat, money, shoes, backpack, treat, etc. The AAs would tell the kid to watch out on the playground because they were going to beat him/her up.

    Where did they learn that it was the acceptable thing to do to “honkys”? At school we had many programs to combat that line of thinking. So, where was the most likely place young AA children learned that behavior?

    The black community – especially those that want to hold themselves as different because of their skin tone and “culture” – need to wake up.

    At this point, I don’t see Obama as particularly a president for all Americans. He needs to speak up or nothing. NOTHING is going to change in that arena.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    omg, just horrible. We truly have devolved many decades from the trickle down (lack of )leadership.

    This is what they choose to do with their empowerment, huh?

  • SN in MN

    Actually this is the result of half a century of relentless propaganda blaming White racism for all the problems, frustrations, and disapointments that Black people suffer.
    It is intended to accomplish three things: Inflame Black hatred towards Whites, provide a universal excuse for anythhing Blacks do or don’t do, and instill a crippling sense of guilt and shame in Whites.
    The building conflict and violence are absolutley the purpose of the leftist meme we’ve been saturated with for decades. TBP Obaoma’s masters are only cranking up the intensity of this time tested strategy.
    Who is promoting this, and who will benefit? That is the critical secret…

  • M

    Whew! Thank god a lady didn’t win the presidency. White male school children would have gotten pummeled by little white girls on the school bus. Oh no, wait. When women get something they usually are required to give up something in return. Like nice relaxing massages to male egos. Looks like men really dodged a bullet. That would have been emasculating.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    time for your daughter to move, WhatNow.

  • WhatNow

    NoBamaNoWay – I agree – my daughter should move.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    I’m so sorry you had to go through all that! You’re very brave to be able to discuss it now. I imagine the psychological scars are still there. I hope you’ve found some resolution.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Sara — thanks for covering this story. I saw a brief clip on the news and couldn’t bear to watch, so I didn’t know the details. As painful as it was to read about, I can’t even think about sitting there on the bus and watching. I, too, am sickened by some of the acts that happen at school or on the way there.

    I grew up in a small Texas town where my best friend in first grade was my best friend when we graduated. The worst I ever had to deal with was a girl in my gym class who made fun of my less than perfect figure and lack of athletic ability. (Her dad was the basketball coach, so she had a valid argument.) Still, it crushed me and I still rewmember Debra today, all these years later. If I’d experienced the type of attacks others have described, I’d have locked myself in my closet for the rest of high school.

    This story makes it so much clearer why some kids choose the Columbine option. (I don’t condone it, but I can understand how it happens.)

  • ImaLlindatoo

    Thank you, yes. It was nothing I did, so it’s much easier to not let it get to me. I learned the behaviors and how to deal with them, so, in an odd way, it was a life learning experience. I just wish I didn’t have to through all of that in the process. :)

  • Objective Analysis

    Everyone is on edge right now with the state of unemployment. What these kids did was no excuse. I can see someone view this as a racial motive especially if it was a black kid getting beat up by a bunch of white kids.

    Either way, it should not happen. This behavior should not be encouraged and the bus driver should have stopped the bus and reprimanded both kids. Parents need to whoop these kids asses.

    We are suppose to live in a civil area. Kids don’t have the capacity to know what right and wrong is. We as parents, teachers, etc.. Need to set the example. Send these punks to jail and have their asses be a bitch with all the other criminals.

  • elaine

    “Zimbabwe to Keep Seizing White-Owned Farms, Times Reports Sept 20″ by Brian Latham, that’s the last story I read at Bloomberg before I came over to NQ & read this & I recalled how Jimmy Carter helped that thug, Mugabe, into power. When I went back to Bloomberg the story was already down. I had to run a search for it. Doubtful the Zimbabwe story will get legs & neither will this school bus incident. Google: “political correctness”. Seriously, if you haven’t read up on pc for awhile it can be a mini awakening.

  • Ginger

    It would be interesting to know how many of the students that are on the bus who beat that kid up were regular riders or not.

  • Ginger

    I clicked on it and watched the remainder of the video. I believe your assessment is correct in that he is being assaulted because he is perceived as different.

  • Chicago

    That is why both my kids have years of training in martial arts (from a different instructor) and will recieve years more of training in martial arts from me (they’re only 11 and 10, they started their training young).

    no one, nada, will beat on my kids, period. my kids will be able to defend themselves at any given time and I will back them up 100% every time they do so.

    these bullies are only tough if the person they’re bullying are afraid to fight back.

    my daughter was once being bullied in school, she punched the crap out of the kid and the bullying stopped (since then, every time he sees my daughter, he runs the other way – yup a real tough guy! LOL!). when she got home, she asked me if I’ll punish her but instead I told her that what she did was appropriate since she defended herself, and gave the other kid (a boy) the appropriate amount of force required for him to get the message (i.e. she didn’t mame him or kill him. LOL!) – stop messing with her. told her that as long as she stays within the principle of appropriate response and that she’s merely defending herself, I’ll back her up every time.

    then we went out for ice cream! LOL!

  • HEPT

    This has been going on for quite a while now.
    white beats black = racially motivated hate crime.
    Black beats white = Karma, justice for slavery, etc…you pick BUT it’s not racially motivated and will NOT be a HATE crime.

  • Diana L. C.

    Good for your daughter–and yet it’s a bit sad as far as I am concerned that children in America have to be taught this. Never once when I was little and growing up did I ever feel bullied.

  • Diana L. C.

    I agree that the kids who did this need some serious attention in regard to teaching them right from wrong. But this attitude is the problem:

    Kids don’t have the capacity to know what right and wrong is.

    I read that one reason we send kids to school at the age of five is that Socrates had said that five was about the age that kids can start learning right from wrong. So, it’s not that kids don’t have the capacity. It’s that they obviously don’t have enough adults in their lives giving them the appropriate lessons in right and wrong.

    I always received praise when I took my kids any where, even before they were five. They knew what type of behavior I expected in another person’s house or in a place of business. It was not hard for them to learn this, simply because I gave them enough attention at home for them to know that they could be patient and they would get my attention at an appropriate time.

    So, not only would I expect those kids to get appropriate punishment, their parents need to be given some appropriate penalty also. The community that set the stage for this number of kids to act so violently has serious problems. That poor kids’ parents should be given not only help in his treatment–since he will surely need it–but also help finding employment in a different community.

  • Diana L. C.

    That is hilarious!!

  • Chicago

    if majority of kids are taught martial arts, there will be a lot more disciplined kids out there, not to mention more kids would have a better chance to defend themselves against child abductors/molesters.

    while some would say that it is sad to teach kids how to fight, martial artists will tell you that they are more inclined to avoid violence since they know the damage they can do and since majority of us don’t have anything to prove.

    bullies on the other hand do what they do in order to “prove” to their audience that they’re tough…that’s the same with the bully that was picking on my daughter – what he does is to push/shove/trip kids in front of other undisciplined kids just for a laugh. well, my daughter is alert and before he can get his way, he was down for the count. now that kid is well behaved. if you ask me, I would’ve liked to meet his and the other kids parents and show them a little discipline themselves. kids don’t become bullies on their own, it starts at home either by parental neglect or by their own parents bullying them.

  • Chicago

    prejudices are learned, kids are not born with them. who do they get those “ideals” from?

    as I’ve said before, it starts at home. even if the parents don’t have those racial prejudices, their neglect enabled their kids to pick up those types of prejudices.

    I’m asian. I’ve received my share of discrimination, even while I was in the military, even when I was wearing the uniform. received it from black folks, got it from white folks, from hispanics. do I think that all of the people within those ethnic groups are racist, NO…but I do think that there are racists from any ethnic group even from mine. how do you end it, by showing your kids the ugly truth about racism and by making sure they understand that it’s never ok. my kids know about the ugly truth of racism, we have actual neighbores (hispanics) who yell at them to “go back where they came from,” what those dumb idiots don’t know is that my kids are more american than they are – my daughter although born in Canada is an American citizen, and my son is a native born american citizen…those kids who were yelling at them, although born in the states, their parents were illegal aliens. I’m an immigrant from Asia, I entered the US LEGALLY, served in the military, became a US citizen. who has the right to call my kids what they did? certainly not them. where did they get their prejudicial attitudes?…it starts at home. how did I make it stop, I went to their door, knocked, their parents answered, their kids behind them, I told their parents what their kids did and dared them to call Immigration right that minute to have my family deported, of course all of us would to prove residential status. their parents almost sh*t their pants while apologizing and as soon as the door closed, I heard them beat their kids (again, bullying starts at home). do I think that all hispanics are bad? certainly not, the family right next door to me are hispanic and when they heard what I did, they came over said thanks (since the other family was totally bad and are a nuisance in the neighborhood but no one dared to stand up to them) and we all shared a wonderful dinner.

    there are many idiots in America (as there are many idiots in any country), those idiots don’t have to be American born or foreign born, there are just idiots in this world that grew up without proper upbringing and discipline, and are now raising their kids the same way, hence, you have an increasing number of bullies and later on, criminals.

  • Prime Obot

    “If I were prosecuting, I would ask the jury to throw them in the La Brea Tarpit where they belong.”

    Yeah, I’m sure there’s no racial intent in that statement. Just a coincidence that black people have been called “tar babies” for a hundred years. And yeah, by bringing it up, I’m sure I’m the one who’s being racist.

    Sickening comment made about teenagers.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    and thats your comment on the violence in this thread ALL your concerned about one line about the thugs in the video??? not the fact their bashing another kids head?

    Your sickening alright really sickening!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    that = that’s

  • Prime Obot

    Oh for heavens sake. Of course I think what happened on that bus was horrible. And of course I think that those kids should be seriously punished. I’ll also add that it’s hard to argue that there wasn’t any racial element in that attack; the scene speaks for itself. It shouldn’t be tolerated. I have a young daughter about to enter kindergarten and so much that is happening these days scares the hell out of me when I imagine her beginning a less protected environment.

    Having said all that: the comment that these kids should be thrown into the La Brea Tar Pits speaks for itself too. Truly ugly.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    However you did not state the above you went directly for the jugular and picked out the one part you felt was offensive!

    Your name says it all

    YOUR what I meant to of said moment!

  • Prime Obot

    My name is meant ironically. And those sentiments hardly need to be stated; I would hope that we would take as stipulated that most everyone disapproves of a bunch of kids beating up one boy on a school bus. I just don’t think that tar pit comments should pass unremarked. We all know what that comment meant. Don’t we?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    What you cannot see is your need to come as a bot you need to go to some othersite that has the same views as yourself bot.

    Huff post etc is more on your street level.

    and actually I had no idea what La Brea Tarpit was until I just googled it.

    It certainly does nor equate in my mind what it does in yours!

  • Prime Obot

    Yeah, I’m figuring that the majority of people on this website are simply not interested in discussion or debate with anyone with any sort of opposing view. I really do not think I have ever visited a discussion-oriented website where truly ugly, insulting rhetoric toward “outsiders” was so accepted and encouraged. It’s strange, and ought to be embarrassing to regulars here.

    Oh well.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I really do not think I have ever visited a discussion-oriented website where truly ugly, insulting rhetoric toward “outsiders” was so accepted and encouraged.

    Excuse me no one has encouraged me to say how I feel towards your comments here. I have a mind of my own and have seen exactly what you’re like you simply enjoy adding fuel to the fire. You sound like you do not fit in here?

    truly ugly, insulting rhetoric toward “outsiders”

    I could say how I really feel but it would be better you moved on instead of whining.

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