Women For Fair Politics: On Larry King Live

Kucinich won’t rally for Obama until he gets answers
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/kucinich-wont-rally-for-obama-until-he-gets-answers-2008-06-27.html

That Cynthia is absolutely an excellent spokesperson for that arm of PUMA. I like her more and more.

She’s got a sharp message, very clear and direct, and Emily’s List just sounded like the old, tired Obama meme to me.

Shoot, Cynthia makes me reconsider McCain!

Kudos to Women for Fair Politics for also owning that all of us should have stepped up and spoken out earlier.

Why is Hillary going all out for Obama?
This is sickenening .

She has no choice. Don’t blame her.

Ellen Moran is so typical of the mentality when a victim runs back to her abuser. WTF is she supporting OBLAHMA? BECAUSE OF ROEVWADE????

As a woman I’m so sick of that carrot being tangled around..8 years before Bush and they said the same shite! BTW, Moran, many of us women don’t only vote with our uterus. I think it’s offensive to always use that fear tactic.

She promised she would work for Unity. Of course, she’ll do what is needed.

Today the doners.

She’ll go stump for him, too, if he asks. I personally think he wants the doner list, not her supporters. We’re a lost cause.

So he’ll probably not ask too much of her later. He’s just saying he needs her to placate us. I think his real strategy, as revealed through his attitude about the questions asked, is to go around us.

Y’know what is tiresome? The Emily’s List spokeswoman is spouting ‘change’ yet….Obama has clearly said he has no plans to get out of Iraq (One of his flip-flops) and I can’t remember hearing ANY strong point by Obama on the economy – unless you talk about his love of coal and nuclear power.

Change is strictly a catch phrase for all who do not have specifics on Obama’s policies. Shit, he doesn’t even have specifics.

Kucinich will throw his endorsement under the bus? I don’t think so but that would be great!

Are the PUMAs and like minded folks seeking a major defector from the Democratic party? Maybe Kucinich? Is there anyone with guts out there? They know Obama is a disaster!

Way to Go Chyntia !!! She expressed perfectly what I think. Great.

Ellen Moran and Emily’s List: What a dissapointment you are!!

FISA is indicative of the opposite, frankly. As was his decision on campaign finance reform. Today will be another dose of blah. Latinos.

The contrast between Ellen Moran and Cynthia Ruccia could not have been more stark. Cynthia represents REAL Democrats standing up for real ideals and principles while Moran stands for nothing. She drank the Kool-Aid and copped out.

I think Women for Fair Politics is simply beyond Emily’s List in conceptualizing sexism and women’s issues as more than Roe vs. Wade.

The framework Obama is using and his surrogates is simply entirely too boxed in.

I also think that FISA indicates where we are truly headed, and I can guarantee you: It ain’t gonna be equal pay laws. *haha

And after these past 2 week’s 180 degrees reversals how can they trust him on anything

Obama is a a chamaleon. Better WATCH OUT.

I was not impressed with the Emily’s List spokesperson yesterday, she did not make the case for Obama. And for an organization that has bucked his mission statement to go out of their way and support him, she should have been able to do more than just be anti-McCain. The problem with these women’s organizations, NOW and Emily’s List, is that they are afraid to lose their political power if they get to radical. I mean, can you imagine if those two groups had approached the DNC right before Super Tuesday and said you better demand the media be fair to both candidates NOW or else? They would have taken action. If after Hillary dropped out, had these organizations played hardball and demanded the Obama campaign commit to certain progressive reforms for women and demanded these provisions become central to the DNC, etc, we might have made some progress.Instead, they heaved a big sigh and handed themselves over with no stipulations. This is why the women’s movement has been moving at a snail’s pace for some time. They are too damn afraid.

I think the retire her debt issue is overblown, Bill and Hillary are millionaires many, many times over, he makes 6 figures for a speech, and I’m sure they could retire her campaign debt easily. IMO hillary is doing the unity thing for several purposes:

To not appear as a sore loser. This is so when BO flames out, she will not be blamed.

Position herself as the nominee in waiting. Whether through a serious misstep or revelation by BO, or in the next election cycle.

keeping her Democratic credibility, pelosi and reed are ineffective and inept, and she is facing the reality that Senator from new York may be the highest office she will hold.

Cynthia made an excellent point about McCain. His promise to put more women into his cabinet positions.

I personally do trust him to deliver on his word far, far more than anything OBama would promise. Obama has shot all credibility that he even pays attention to what he says, nevermind considers it important to deliver on promises.

Cynthia is right. McCain could end up being the one who actually helps women more. Clearly, one issue is we MUST start seeing more women in positions in government.

It simply cannot be left to the hands of a few, such as Pelosi.

I like Cynthia, but she didn’t go far enough. She should have used that time to remind people of Obama’s sexism as well, the Annie Oakley getting her six shooter, the middle finger salute, the song 99 reasons but the bit** ain’t one of them at the Iowa ralley, this was a golden opportunity to hold him accountable and she didn’t. We need to stop being afraid of Barack Obama, and we need to call him on the carpet for what he has done.

True, which is why this Women for Fair Politics is so startling and fresh. It’s not established. It doesn’t rely upon established funding sources. It’s true grassroots stuff, and that makes it possible to step forward instead of staying stuck!

What I like most is that when I see this group and PUMA folks, I feel totally like it’s been worthwhile. Something good will come of this.

I just sense it. People are serious and they are credible and we’re all pretty much on the same page on a lot of the perspective.

That many people won’t be ignored for long. Obama can keep harping on how the Dems are the party for women, but that message falls flat, given the party’s actions during the primary.

It’s time to step out beyond the Dems and their boogie man, Roe Vs. Wade.

We could sure use some actual names! That would be terrific.

Sorry to be OT but I strongly encourage everyone to read Heidi Li Feldman’ s account to the meeting last night between BO and HRC donors: it is excellent. She was there as one of HRC fundraisers.

http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

The fundraising summit: Part IV; the atmosphere

Some friends have asked for my sense of the “feel of the room”. Ok. I am happy to report that, but please understand that this is just my own perspective. I did not care to stick around and chat with all and sundry. I think there were two groups in the room, each one developing a stronger identity the more Senator Obama spoke. One group reminded me of the caricatures of groupies: these folks are certain that Senator Obama will be the nominee (which is very likely) and they were trying very hard to show that they want him to include them in his program. The other, seemingly larger group, responded in a rather lukewarm fashion, ranging from even more annoyed by Senator Obama than before tonight to totally underwhelmed by him.
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 1:17 AM

The fundraising summit: Part III: Senator Clinton knows exactly what she is doing

One of the most impressive moment of tonight’s meeting, sponsored by Senator Clinton for purposes of introducing her “top” fundraisers to Senator Obama, came right before Senator Clinton turned the mike over to Senator Obama. Senator Clinton turned toward the group, people who had cheered her and cheered her as she entered, people who have worked hard on her behalf, and she told us that our work was not yet finished; that regardless of what happens this November she would need our support to make sure that every American had a real chance to make the American dream true for him or her. It was a unique moment. A public figure, Senator Clinton, turning to us, about 150 people (I am guessing very wildly) and she made it clear that her first loyalty is to those who have shown her loyalty,
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 1:07 AM

The fundraiser summit: Part II: Of humility

Well, I have not yet been able to sleep on it.
I know why: Senator Clinton and Terry McAuliffe were absolute troupers, somehow delivering simultaneously a message of Democratic unity and a recognition of the unique relationship between Senator Clinton and her supporters. Senator Obama, however, left me cold. And since I will not be voting for Mr. McCain in November, I still do not feel I can, in good conscience, vote for Senator Obama.

The most revealing moment of the evening: early in his remarks, Senator Obama told us he would have to be “extraodordinarily humble.” Anybody who tells me he or she must be humble is telling me he or she is not about to be humble.
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 12:57 AM

The fundraiser summit: Part 1
Tonight’s event, sponsored by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, has left me with a complicated mix of feelings. But my feelings should, I think, take a backseat to the best job I can do with regard to relating what went on, in a relatively descriptive fashion. After I sleep on it, I will offer what I know to be commentary.

The event in question: a meeting of Senator Clinton’s top fundraisers. The purpose: to introduce us to Senator Obama to this group.

What happened:
Before any of the formal events began, there was a chance for many people to greet those who we have seen at other events over the past 18 months, to connect, and to discover that the ties we forged are still as strong as ever.
The best person I met tonight who I have not met before: Dorothy McAuliffe, Terry McAuliffe’s wife. So smart, so intelligent, so gracious. We laughed about how Terry portrays her in his book, What A Party, and I had the opportunity to thank her for her direct support of Senator Clinton as well as her indirect support, because Dorothy McAuliffe made it possible for Terry to race all over the country leading the charge on Senator Clinton’s behalf.
The program:

* Terry McAuliffe introduced Senator Clinton, to one of the finest receptions I have ever observed anybody receive. Everybody was on their feet, applauding and applauding Senator Clinton, who looked relaxed and calm.
* Senator Clinton spoke. Senator Clinton emphasized the point that she and the 18 million who voted for her have unfinished business. She reiterated her view that it is crucial that a Democrat be elected to the presidency this year. Then she discussed how hard she would work for down ticket Democrats. She took time to single out Sheila Lee Jackson and Stephanie Tubbs Jones, among other Congresspeople present; Senator Clinton said that Ms. Jackson and Ms. Jones are sisters to her. Then Senator Clinton talked about how hard she would work to swell the ranks of Democrat senators and representatives. Eventually, she introduced Senator Obama to us, those she kept referring to as her friends.
* Senator Obama made remarks. I will discuss and describe these in my next posts. Senator Obama took a few questions – these exchanges I will also discuss in later posts.
* After the q-and-a with Senator Obama, the gathering broke up. I left more or less in the same situation as when I arrived: entirely confident about Senator Clinton’s political future; not overly impressed by Senator Obama; extremely proud of the gracious welcome and support Senator Clinton and Terry McAuliffe displayed toward Senator Obama.

To be continued…
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 12:02 AM

The syndrome you are referring to is the Stockholm syndrome – victims identifying with their captors/abusers.

Yes, I think Hillary has no choice – she has to put up a show and she is a realistic politician. Hillary has always said she will support the nominee and she is doing that.

We will all have to hold our noses and see through the smoke screen.

I am really pleased that PUMA coalition members are appearing in the MSM. By my count, they have appeared several times on FOXnews, now also featured on WaPo and CNN.

It is very important to keep the message strong and clear.

NoBama.

Go PUMAs.

Because, as a Democrat, she supports the presidential candidate who favors ending the war in Iraq, universal health care, and reproductive choice. See, she understands that votes have consequences, and that the sole purpose of voting is not to throw a tantrum.

I saw this last night as well….. and Cynthia Ruccia was so SPOT ON.

I would have luuuved to have seen Howard Dean’s face — if he saw it as well…..

I doubt Obama saw or cares as he think’s he’s already won all this….

I will not forget how Obama said ” get over it”

Little does Obama know how deep a woman scorned can hold her stand.

Cynthia represents REAL Democrats who are…uh…voting for the conservative Republican! With “REAL Democrats” like these, who needs Karl Rove?

I really tire of hearing these women state that “if you care about reproductive rights you will vote for Obama.” Do any of them really believe that ANY President has the authority to overturn Roe v Wade? Are they really so gullible to believe this rubbish? But time after time this is what we hear from Democratic politicians. The mean old republicans are going to overturn Roe v Wade. Won’t happen.

Earth to the Democratic party: It is the SENATE that confirms or denies Supreme Court nominees. It is the SENATE that has the ultimate responsibility. Not any President. So even if McCain feels one way or the other it matters very little. Maybe if Obama spent more time in the senate he and his surrogates would understand the responsibilities of the office.

I agree jdona. People were afraid to criticize GW when he ran for president and, what do you know, the media covered for him too!

I see a parallel here. BO is just the democratic version of GWB. His marketing message of “hope and change” is the same kind of bullshit they sold GW on as a “compassionate conservative”.

Just an illusion and the people, so thirsty for change will willingly drink the sand, when there is no water, simply because they can no longer tell the difference.

Ellen Moran sounds so wishy washy. Did they dope her up before they put her on air? She sounds like most Obama supporters… “la la la end the war in Iraq and bring prosperity … the Bush tax cuts … change.”

Cynthia Ruccia won that round. She knows how to stay on point and just fire away. The women condemning the sexism in the Democratic primaries continue to impress me. AND you know she was “biting her tongue” about the presumptive nominee’s blatant sexism, as well.

I am watching the Unity rally for Obama, and Hillary is introducing Obama It made me so sick that I had to turn it off, I know Hillary has to do this, its just very hard to watch it.

Good for him!

Locally we’re up to 17 FLIPS for McCain

4 Write Ins for Hillary

and ONE lone nose plug for BHO

The Poll is here if you have not already taken it! (or wish to)

what was she saying? shit she should throw HIM under the bus.

Prominent Dems to lead McCain group

By Brian Lawson
Category: PresidentTags: Valery Mitchell, New Hampshire Democrats for McCain, Marcia Moran, John McCain, John Kerry, Jim McConaha, endorsements, David Lee, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama

Two well-known New Hampshire Democrats have endorsed the Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee. Jim McConaha and Valery Mitchell, who have pledged their support to U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), will serve as co-chairs of “New Hampshire Democrats for McCain.”

The announcement comes the day before U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), McCain’s presumptive general election opponent, campaigns in New Hampshire with U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

McConaha was a political appointment of President Clinton and served as New Hampshire director for the federal Farm Service Agency and was recently a member of U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd’s presidential Steering Committee.
Mitchell was a member of John Kerry’s Steering Committee in 2004 and also supported Dodd in 2008. She is a former organizer of the Democratic Network.

“It was not easy to step away from my party in the McCain-Obama race, but I want a president whose judgment we know and trust, and a leader who will do what is in the best interest of our country without regard to politics or ideology,” Mitchell said in a campaign press release.

McConaha also cited McCain’s judgement.

“This is the most important job in the world. We need a leader of proven competence, tested judgment and substantial experience in the modern world and, obviously, that is John McCain.”

It was also announced that Marcia Moran, of Concord, and David Lee, of Londonderry, will serve as co-chairs of “New Hampshire Independents for McCain.”
http://www.politickernh.com/brianlawson/2169/prominent-dems-lead-mccain-group

I love the way that Emilys list put their SPIN on the truths about John McCain.

I would love to see what they would have to say about the truths about Obama. I don’t think it’s possible since no one knows who Obama is or what he stands on (so far he hasn’t made a stand on anything). Obama is so off balanced by switching back and forth issue by issue I’m surprised he hasn’t fallen off his high horse yet.

Cynthia- You did a great job on Larry King- Thank you for your leadership. You are a great spokesperson for those of us opposing Obama and I know more than 3 million people are behind you 100%.

Are you sure he wants to end the war? Powers said no.

It’s sad to see Emily’s List go the misbegotten way of the MoveOn.org’s of the world: Once-great institutions which have, by choice (ironic, no?), marginalized themselves while courting disgrace and dishonor in their backing of a fraud like Obama.

A pity. I hope that after Ofraudma loses we can help to resurrect the ruins of these outfits which the Messiah tainted and rendered inert.

Great work by Ruccia.

I’m watching the event in Unity and Hillary, not on purpose I’m sure is/will upstage Obama at every event. She is the better speaker, the better informed, has more experience and THE BEST CANDIDATE..poor obama.. seeing the two of them I know I made the right choice when I voted for Hillary and I know I cannot vote for Obama..STILL!!!!

NOBAMA!

it’s live on cnn live blog right now and I had to turn it off!!

The lemmings started their anal chant “YES WE CAN”

and I just couldn’t hold down my lunch any further so had to turn it OFF!!

I’m sorry Hillary but I’m losing a bit of respect for you for this UNITY crapola!!!

I may have to FLIP (to McKook) myself if she keeps up this FRAUDULENT BS!

I guess I’d rather vote for a Kook than a BIGOT & his BIGOT wife!

She looks so presidential.

yes, a really big bus with all of his friends

Absolutely correct.

This is the good part of the joint appearances.

The more people see them together and hear one talk after the other, the more the Obama Buyer’s Remorse will set in and the better the chance things get put in their proper place for August.

LJ,
let me see if I got this right;

Obama needs Hillary’s donor’s list.
Obama needs Hillary’s voters.
Obama needs Hillary and Bill to campaign for him.
Obama needs Hillary to win over her supporters.

WTF?

Why don’t we just run Hillary?

Hillary in August. Nothing less.

I get the feeling McCain if he is elected President will go moderate, to the center, more populist like his hero Teddy Roosevelt and not be a repeat of Bush. If Obama is elected I expect him to go to the left.

Oh wow……OK, folks. The GE election has just kicked off.

Gore: Popular vote winner

Hillary: Popular vote winner

u are a liar

he’s not for universal health care
he’s not for ending the war NOW not later

he’s not for strict environmental laws

he’s NOT for equal pay

the list is freaking endless and I’m bored already

you’re just a liar that’s all

1. Obama does not support UHC. Read his health plan.

2. Obama is inconsistent on his Iraq war policy and has never actively opposed it. He said in 2004 that his policy was the same as Bush’s – while McCain, on the other hand, called for Rumsfeld to be replaced, a decision that was applauded by the Democrats. And McCain risked his own party’s nomination by supporting the surge which is now working. McCain is principled and tough. He has a son serving in Iraq, and he is committed to the safety of our troops.

3. Feminism is not determined by abortion. There are some women who feel that fair representation in politics is more important right now.

Children throw tantrums. We are adults making our voices heard. If you cannot appreciate that, then you have no respect for either First or Nineteenth Amendment rights. That makes you a koolaid drinking fascist.

she is a stand up person, who has gained my respect.

Cynthia was right on. Woman’s issues are not so narrowly defined by repoductive rights. The Roe v Wade argument has been used by both parties for decades to either bring in the women’s votes or bring in the evangelical votes…time for REAL change!

The simple matter is that they let the sexism slide and Obama won because of it. You would have to have NO SELF RESPECT to vote for the DNC after what they did. I looked at that woman and felt sorry for her. She is actually enabling the DNC to do what they did. If they can get away with it now, because they have these women trapped, they can get away with it later, for the same reason. Don’t be fool, say no to the DNC.

Right ON!!! Lets!

Frankly, Pagan….I am appalled at the entire strategy used now even by his surrogates that start off with, “If you were really (fill-in-the-meme-blank).

That’s not effective communications. That is not addressing voters as equals.

It’s the “lowering of discourse,” perpetuated by Huffington Post that has now crept into everyday attitudes.

Grown-ups do NOT tell other grown-ups how to vote.

We disagree on issues. We may even get heated about differences in perception.

But we respect one another’s right to vote our own conscience, without bullying.

I don’t appreciate that method one bit. I LOVE PUMA’s attitude as well as the attitude of NO QUARTER that we are NOT identical, we aren’t all going to vote the same way, and I or any of us do not OWE one another any apology.

Either I’m given credibility for investigating and exploring issues or I’m not. But I’ll be danged if I’m going to defend myself.

I agree totally with Women for Fair Politics. It’s high time we move beyond Roe Vs Wade. And I’ve not seen the Democrats pass equal pay laws yet.

Have you?

They love to talk it. They’ve never really done it.

I guess that makes Hillary a liar, too. Thanks for clearing that up.

skepticle– Because, as a Democrat, she supports the presidential candidate who favors ending the war in Iraq, universal health care, and reproductive choice. See, she understands that votes have consequences, and that the sole purpose of voting is not to throw a tantrum.

What planet have you beamed down from? Have you not seen/heard by now that Obama cannot be trusted to take a consistent position on anything? No one here is “throwing a tantrum,” we just don’t believe that we can TRUST him, he doesn’t have any experience to show that he has qualities of character and good judgment, and we don’t think he is QUALIFIED to be Presdident! Is there something about that you don’t understand or is it that you just don’t want to? The sole purpose of voting should be to elect the person you truly believe is ready to lead the United States and the world. He very obviously IS NOT ready!

She speaks well, but she focuses mostly on sexism. The media is taking the sexism charge, as if that’s the only problem PUMAs have with Obama, and running with it. The media still doesn’t grasp that PUMA is about so much more and fails to report the 101 other reasons why we won’t vote for Obama.

Yes, the bots now speak of Hillary as oh so sensible a few weeks back they were saying that Hillary was a monster, what did cafferty say? That she had multiple personality disorder??

Thanks for posting this….it is great to read the various opinions on the night.

All very similiar I might add….

She knows what she is doing. Trust her. Roll with it.
Did you see her leaving the Mayflower and turn full body and wave really big to the ‘just say no deal’ crowd? That’s when I knew our Hillary is as presidential as ever. I am so proud of her. She has courage and backbone beyond belief. Now we need to relieve her of her debt to make a statement to the DNC et al.
Obama continues to insult Hillary in so many ways including donating $2300 to her campaign. WTF?
He has an overhwhelming need to diminish Hillary but she can’t be kept down. Obama is way in over his head, has no idea how to lead this country out of it’s messes and needs to be bailed out constantly.
I say Super D’s need to help Obama out of his misery.
Pick Hillary and have Obama as VP. That’s the only way to get through this in an effective way to heal the party and country. She can get an under the rader VP too. Since Obama is all for show then he can assume that postiion as VP. I think this would relieve him of the mess he is in. He did say under his breath during the NH primaries ” I got myself into someting I have no idea how to get out of”..while he was walking down the street and being followed by reporters. Super D’s help the guy out.
He needs your help. Vote Hillary and relieve him.

Count Mi and FL accordingly and Hillary wins.
Case closed and then on to beat McCain.

????

So, let’s say for the sake of argument that everything you said is correct (it isn’t, but let’s just say). If you care about those issues, do you honestly think voting for the Republican McCain is a better way to realize those goals? Really? (Hint: this is where most of you say “Well, I’ve already made my mind up” and refuse to grapple with the question.)

Cynthia made us all proud. Bless her!
And re: SEXISM questions that Larry King and panel kept raising last night: Doesn’t the fact that Obama has fought hard to DEFEAT the first serious female contender for the Presidency offer us the BEST definitive answer to questions of sexism in the campaign??!!
If one DOES NOT want a woman to be President(like Obama does not), I’d say you’ve pretty much defined your position on women’s rights, eh???

Pelosi enjoys her special place in the Boys Club too much to help out a sister. We saw how the Capitol Hill crones knifed Hillary when they got the chance.

Thank you. Wonderful write-up. I look forward to seeing more.

oh, thank you for your “hint” I wouldn’t have known how to respond otherwise..fiddle-dee-dee.

And that is why so many of us are likely to support McCain in November. Obama has ALWAYS been very left. But so is Dean and Pelosi and this to me explains why they like him so much. Wasn’t it even reported that when he did vote he had the most extreme left wing voting record in the senate? Why are people not listening to this? Moderate Democrats are likely to support a more moderate leader and that is McCain. Although Hillary was the best choice of the whole bunch, McCain is the better of the two evils left. It is a shame but true.

Did she really acknowledge No Deal? *shivers*

Thanks, Lou! I can’t watch it.

I’m determined to not get maudlin! *heh

Liz when you tell the bots he’s not qualified they just blow past that and say, “see you can’t defend yourself!”

So Bill looks likely to support Obama.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mcauliffe-bill-clinton-is-ready-to-go-for-obama-2008-06-27.html

She still makes the case for Obama better than he does for himself.

LOL.

Here he is making his case on stolen policies and ideas….ugh!

Ok now we have some thing to talk about!

08 Election
local No Quarter readers will…

1. Plug nose and vote BHO 6 votes 14%
2. Write in Hillary 5 12%
3. Flip to McCain 29 67%
4. Stay at home 1 2%
5. Vote 3rd party 2 5%

Because those are Hillary’s issues, too, right? And she’s campaigning for Obama.

Keep thinking about it. You’ll get it in another hour or two.

If he had a “pussy”, he would have fought on. Remember Hillary?

Case in point. Better to make a flippant remark than face the fact that voting for McCain would have disastrous consequences for millions of people who cannot defend themselves. Hey, whatever makes YOU feel better! This election is all about your feelings!

Also, keep in mind. Hillary and McCain are supposedly good friends. IMO, she will have more influence over McCain than she would obama and those who will really be in power — Brezinski, Soros…

Let’s Change from Roe V Wade being the only definition of women’s rights.

LOL…good points

I also think Michelle would never want Hillary to be there , because Hillary would over shadowing her advice.

When Hillary was campaigning her heart out all over this country..the sexism rampant..I kept saying, “where’s Emily’s list?” I never felt their presence throughout the campaign…silence.

Obamarrhoid’s Health Care plan is NOT UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. Stop LYING!

Hillary no more supports that SOB than any of us do. She’s doing what she has to do because she’s been threatened and HAS TO. That’s all there is to it.

I love this SAY NO DEAL COALITION. What impresses me the most is that it is a true big umbrella. This group, Women for Fair Politics, totally appeals to my ire over the sexism. I’m one who had absolutely no idea just how mad I could be. It hought I had vanquished those issues long ago. I feel a bit like I did in my 20s when I was extremely feisty and not afraid to speak my mind in the least. More than one poor fellow found that out the hard way. But you know, you get married, raise kids, work like a crazy person, build a career, focus on your IRA….and you think all that’s behind you. This group speaks out for my sense of pride in women in the world and my deep sense of injustice, too.

I also love the Just Say No People determined to address specifically the DNC moves, the unDemocratic nature of this primary, and our outrage on that!

And I especially love that we’re all together in the same coalition, without having to make one another focus only on this or that. We can make room for more, too.

I’d love to see this expand to include some real representation from Latinos, for example.

There are common ground issues here.

We have more connectivity than not.

You gotta be kidding me!

The GOP laughs it’s ass of at Obama the DNC selected candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOTv2qWYzoM

Ouch!

Excellent Ann, well said, I couldn’t agree more!

No. Let’s have a real argument, toss out Obama’s rhetoric, and challenge me point by point. Where am I wrong?

Oh, I believe McCain is “ready to lead the United States”. He’s ready to lead us into more wars. He’s ready to lead us back to the Dark Ages of women’s rights (yeah, like he gives a crap about “equal representation for women” – please). He’s ready to lead us to third-world levels of public health. If those are the kinds of “qualifications” that set your panties on fire, you can have them. Frankly, while I do think Obama is amply qualified, my 11-year-old daughter would be a better president than McCain.

You forgot number 6.

Force a roll call vote in Denver. Place Hillary back at the top of the ticket where she belongs.

Hope……she was just spouting Obama’s words. It’s really not Ellen.

She has her talking points issued by the campaign. Ditto for the congresswomen. Pelosi was the worst, but it was the same message.

It’s Obama’s message to the doners last night.

It IS Obama’s message, so if it’s wishy-washy, it’s because he is.

One of the reasons I was so sick over Hillary being bamboozled out of this so far is I wanted to see Tubbs Jones as sec of state and other women in power. That’s the true change. Women are so much more the social (make peace & compromise) gender and it’s needed badly now in government.
Men have screwed it up big time..Hilary is perfect for the job.

Time for Change! Real Change!

Wow, this is hilarious. She’s campaigning for Obama because she’s being “threatened.” Didn’t anybody warn you about the brown acid?

He was responding to me. Don’t let him get distracted. “I’m not the Republican” has been the Democratic platform for years, and it is a predictable loser. Let’s here about Obama and this change he promises.

LOL at “fiddle-dee-dee”!

I agree ClydeSloppers , I trust McCain loves this country and I can’t say the same about Obama.

He is making me sick speaking in Unity, he is sooooo phony and choreographed, Yuck why can’t people see through this flim-flam man?

He’s ready to lead us to third-world levels of public health. Propaganda. In fact BS.

Obama’s health plan will create a bureaucratic nightmare. He has made a deal (with Boren) no doubt to get kids mandated so Americans have to pay whatever rates they charge. They’ll lift them sky high, but no preex help for the rest of us and no lower premiums since we aren’t in a risk pool. McCain offers a 5k tax credit, and he will lift the state barriers so that we can buy health insurance over state lines, which will force insurers to be competitive with each other on rates, and that will reduce premiums. And Hillary’s plan was still the best.

Wishing will not make it so, Obama can beg, borrow, steal he will never get my vote,

She’s doing it because of party affiliation over the course of a life time. You’re doing it because you can’t think for yourself. I got it in all of two seconds. Thanks!

Frankly, while I do think Obama is amply qualified, my 11-year-old daughter would be a better president than McCain.

You have an opinion and an asshole like everyone else. Neither effectively makes a point in an argument between adults.

C’mon people – can we start by paying Hillary’s debt? Why are we allowing her to beg Obama and his supporters for money? $10 from each of you – that’s a couple of beers or cups of coffee. This should be our FIRST PRIORITY. It should be the #1 thing we take care of. Talk is cheap. Show some real power!

Just for giggles..

View this YT video “Obama, the Gayest Coke Fiend EVER! (Re: James Manning)”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jfzfx-CemYM

Make sure to leave this little Barrybot “Timmy” a sincere thank you for speaking the truth about Barry

McCain will appoint people who interpret law not make law from the bench..novel isn’t it? I love it.
And Scalia saved the second amendment..way to go.
People hear the word “guns” and freak out.
Well, guns don’t kill people. People kill people.
Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns..no no no. I need to protect my family and property.
I feel better today. take away right to bear arms and protect oneself and then slowly take away the remainder of the constitutional rights..No.
“I’m going to take the constitution out of deep freeze and warm it up” Quote-Hillary Clinton

No. But with so little experience and nothing but his initial “judgements” upon which to judge, now that we know that his words mean nothing, we have nothing left for any comfort. I personally do not want to turn the nation over the stand by pilot when I know perfectly well what the captian is capable of. So count me a Nobama vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpH9ALMceGs

Yeah, you got it right. Well said. Very succinct.

Hillary shouldn’t even be on the stage with that SNAKE Obama. Fuck him and the DNC. I can tell she just wants this over so she can get away from him. This has to be humiliating for her and enjoyable for Obama and Michelle. I can hear Michelle now .. We own you now

No problem.

1. Obama’s plan would provide health coverage to everyone who wants it. If your definition of “universal” includes forcing people to sign up, well, that’s not the kind of universal health care I want anyway.

2. I wish Obama had done more to stop the Iraq war. But he’s done far less to enable the war than McCain or Hillary have. And he has consistently criticized not only the conduct of the war, but the very idea of invading Iraq in the first place – again, unlike either Hillary or McCain. I don’t care how “principled and tough” McCain is, if he uses those qualities in service of awful policies. GWB is pretty “principled”, too. Big deal.

3. I fail to see how voting for the more male-dominated party, the one that opposed ERA, somehow strikes a blow for “fair representation in politics.” Please explain.

Obama is not my ideal candidate. I was an Edwards guy until he dropped out. But there are many more important issues at stake this year than the (highly debatable, to say the least) sexism of the DNC. You can disagree, but if you vote for McCain you have to take responsibility for the real consequences that his presidency would have.

Obama found Republicans useful during the red state caucuses and open primaries. He even fondly quoted Karl Rove repeatedly when criticizing his opponent’s “high negatives.” He called Hillary Bush Cheney Lite. Well, now we like Republicans, too.

This is getting interesting, isn’t it? When 2 prominent Democrats endorse the Republican nominee….HOUSTION, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

That problem is OBAMA.

Great! Put your 11-year-old daughter on the ballot. You don’t need any experience to run for president of the United States anymore. I’m sure an 11-year old could do a better job than flip-flopper BHO.

One of them got me on the phone and tried to bully me. When she brought up Bev Perdue I just laughed and laughed and laughed and pointed out that Bev supported Barry and I wouldn’t give her a dime to call 911. That was pretty much the end of our conversation. Not all women are my sisters.

BOBO has got to go

Live Free or Die, New Hampshire!

I’m banking on that. One thing I know for sure, the meme that he’s just Bush isn’t flying.

I started off not knowing a single thing about him. I am so hard-core Democrat that I’ve never paid a bit of attention to them. I couldn’t understand, honestly, what the fuss over Bush was all about. I knew from Day 1 what he’d do and how he’d do it. It was obvious. I figured that the public was still just so upset and emotional over 9-11 that they supported his moves. The mid-year elections proved me right. They ousted some outstanding long-term Dems over their anti-war stance. *sigh*

It was an era to live through, for me. The public is reactive. And that was a nuclear reactive event in all of our lives.

But I didn’t get the anger from the left and the obsession. It was too easy for me to see that it would swing that way and then we’d swing back.

Which we have. (One thing great about being a moderate is my optimism that nothing stays the same. Don’t like this primary? Wait! There will be another one soon!)

Now, I’m reading right-leaning editorials. Most of them I find just as disingenuous as the left-wing. Same faulty thinking tactics……just different starting place. But there are some good ones, too. And just like with the left-wing, there are some real nuggets of smart thinking that elucidate.

I’m learning little by little about who McCain is. What his weaknesses are (campaign organization?) His strengths (message and experience).

He’s hung close. Today’s poll? 4 points, within a half point of being flat-out tied?

And this from an older fellow who has a goofy smile?

LOL*

I think we have a shot. I do.

Wow. Thanks for posting that. This is serious people. Our own party does not want to support Obama. His dead votes, pet votes, double votes and tattooed kids vote is all he has. This is awful.

Yet another heartbreaking situation brought to us by the Democratic Party.

So Obama’s mandate for kids is bad, but Clinton’s mandate for everybody is good. Got it. More No Quarter logic at work.

BANG ON!

I agree, you summed it up perfectly.

K. Wynne! You posted a lot on Stop Obama! Good to see you here and I hope you can post more on the Soros connection.

yup. trust Hillary. She knows

you said:If your definition of “universal” includes forcing people to sign up, well, that’s not the kind of universal health care I want anyway.”

but Obama has a mandate for children
so parents are going to have to enroll their kids

if a mandate for kids is okay and enforceable by garnishment etc

why not one for adults too

so we dont all get stuck with the charges of uninsured going to ER with the flu etc?

I think on constituional issues, I’ve discovered I’m truly moderate. Moderate justices work for me.

I never like judicial activism because it so sets off the right-wing in our country. And when they get mad, they get busy!

I also don’t like ridiculous constitutional purists, either. They set off the left-wing. Same problem.

Just some ole’ middle-of-the-road, please.

Nothing fancy.

Lots of kicking it back to the states. Lots of refusing to hear the case.

That works best.

I’m liberal in some areas, such as FISA and other legal matters.

Moderate on the court appointments.

(I did very much dislike how Bush pushed conservative judge on the lower levels. I’d like more moderates there.)

Terrific. I guess you think things have been going really well in the USA for the last eight years. You can look forward to more of the same if your hero McCain gets elected. I think most Americans – hell, most Hillary voters – are smarter than that. We’ll see.

you said above the sexism of the DNC was debatable and now you say McCain will lead us to the dark ages for women

so only the GOP has sexism and is to be fought?

It starts with 2…….*heh

Doncha love the message, too? Unity kick-off.

New Hampshire.

I LOVE IT!

President Clinton is more concerned about the issues and personally could give a “@”@ about BO.

He has been there done that…

Ah yes, the old Blackmail Argument. I’m sure that sustained many an Obamabot over the course of the spring- “Hillary supporters can say all they want now, in the end they’ll vote for Obama because they alternative is too horrible, so let’s feel free to shit all over them. They’ll have no other option in the end.”

Except- Obama has screwed over his progressive followers with the FISA deal and by abandoning public financing. What’s next? I don’t trust Obama to REMAIN true to progressive ideals, so I don’t feel bad about voting against him. If he will abandon such key positions now, what will he do once he’s won the White House?

No thanks. Obama has thrown a big red flag up which reads “Dont Trust Me, I Say And Do Whatever It Takes To Win.” If you want to ignore it, thats your business.

Isn’t Bill Clinton in your country right now celebrating Nelson Mandela’s birthday in Hyde Park? Sounds like he’s really bummed about missing the Unity Love Fest. Here’s the note:

“President Clinton is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States.” Signed Matt McKenna, spokesman.

Message: I Don’t Care. P.S. You Are Dead To Me.

I pray your right AnninCa, I have such a fear of Obama. I’m 53 years old and I have never felt so frightened by someone running for president in my life.

Not to me. He’s suppose to compete.

Obama needs Hillary’s advice
Obama needs Hillary’s support
Obama needs Hillary’s policies
Obama needs Hillary to help implement the policies.
Obama needs Hillary to speak for him.

Anyone care to add to the list?

Nice point, for the most part not everyone here is in lockstep agreement on every issue. But we can discuss these disagreements like adults until the bots show up.

I have contributed to Emily’s list, but not this year. They will never see ink on a check of mine again, especially given their charter. I’m sure Comrade Obama arranged for some great recent contributions to them. It’s how that pig Rolls.

Of course, it’s not really “Ellen.” They’re Pod People. Stepford Dems. Dittoheads.

Obama 08: Change, Hope and Valium

It’s politics. It’s how it’s done. On the other hand, our vote is Ours.

Do you think this guy has a problem with mandatory car insurance, mandatory school attendance, etc. etc.? What a stupid dick.

Universal Health Insurance, like Social Security, only works when everyone has to participate in it’s funding. If you don’t think it should be mandatory, you don’t believe in it, period.

And I’m not voting for any “Progressive” who does not support THE Progressive cause of our age. Sorry.

It’s killing me to see her with him! Hillary owned my vote while she was running but I must take it back now.

I would have loved to have heard Cynthia ask *innocently* what those six “present” votes meant insofar as women’s reproductive rights in Emily’s lists opinion?

limey buddy! wassup?
Where’s my money?
Irish Liberation Theology!!!

say hi to your german overlords

Have you met Diane Mantouvalos, the the woman who started the JSND? WaPo did a recent piece on her?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/26/AR2008062604162.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national

John McCain shakes his head at Obama but says it’s to be expected that obama flip flops so much.

Yeah Ellen was shaking her “Oh come on! Comrade Obama got lots of money for us!” head.

Did you read the Politico piece saying Rangle and Frank inferred her supporters seats would be in jeopardy? we did

go do your HW before you say we are on the brown acid , everyone know the Bart Simpson mesc is the way to go, LOL only kidding really

but seriosuly read the pieces in Politico

if you have been in politics long you know she has to do this, we all do, come on….

Try THIS for results of poll

and then try

THIS to take the POLL

it’s a bravenet poll and it’s a freebee so it can’t handle a lot of traffic

(lest I decide to pay which I won’t)

LOL, I just heard Hilla nd Bill just gave 2300 to Uhhbama a piece now too

ROTFLMAO

Lurv Hill and Big Dawg

love them love them

I will be waiting whenever Hill or Bill give us the call action

BOOYAH CLINTONS!!!!

As much as I support Hillary, I can’t stomach watching the “Unity” farce. Thanks everyone, for watching and reporting back. All this “unity” has inspired me to donate more money to Hillary to help her erase her debt.

Their hypocrisy is grotesque.

Ok here’s a more direct link to take the poll

They are messing with me

LOL

GREAT JOB CYNTHIA….YOU MADE WOMEN LOOK GOOD…AS FOR THE ABORTION ISSUE…I THINK ITS TIME FOR WOMEN TO TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN BODIES AND NOT DEPEND ON A LAW TO BAIL THEM OUT..AS TO EMILYS LIST…I
THINK THEY HAD BETTER START RETHINKNG THEIR ENDORSEMENT POLICIES…THEY GAVE MONEY AND SUPPORT TO MC CASKILL WHO BECAME THE FIRST WOMAN US SENATOR FROM MO. ONLY TO TURN AROUND…..AFTER LESS THAN 2 YRS IN OFFICE—–AND CO CHAIR THE CAMP. OF A MALE CAND. AGAINST THE WOMAN WHO COULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT!!!

DUH!!

she’s doin what she has to do

and we are NOT lemmings of HILLARY

unlike you with your brown nose stuck up BHO’s butt!!

LEMMING!!!

I thought that was you imustprotest! Good to see you here posting.

I definitely will bring information about the obama/soros connection.

Soros having the kind of influence he would have with a neophyte like BO is very, very disturbing. You can bet the MSM won’t be talking about it.

We have 5 months to keep pushing the truth about BO for public consumption. The more people learn about BO and who is behind his candicacy, I believe the less likely they will support him.

I haven’t been able to watch Hillary these days…still love her, will always love her but just can’t watch her anywhere near that fool. I’m sure he’ll call her sweetie at one of these events.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. At least now, Hillary will be getting some favorable press coverage.

WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER

McCain ’08 (no matter who the dem VP is )

or Hillary if the dems finally wise up

The Roe v Wade “threat” is raw bullcrap. The Democrats have been using it to keep us women in line for far too long.

For starters, if the Democratic party cared about a woman’s right to choose, big shots like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid would have done something about it legislatively long ago. But that wouldn’t have been any fun, would it? I mean, how would they keep all those women in the voting line pulling that “D” lever if that were to happen?

We’re onto the Democratic Party patriarchs and we aren’t buying the threat any longer. Roe v. Wade is going nowhere, and we all know it. If it could have gone anywhere, the other side of the Barack Obama Extremist Whackjob Coin, namely George W. Bush, would have made it happen long ago. And even if Roe v. Wade were in danger of being “overturned,” the only result would be that the Federal government would be out of the picture and states would take over. Then you would all have to find something else to threaten us women with in order to get us to vote for a sexist pig like Sweetie Obama.

Ok, I’ll be the devil’s advocate here. Let’s assume that this lame threat that the Democratic Party has used on us for decades were to come to fruition by some absolute freak of luck

In my opinion, any woman who falls for the misogynist pig named Barack Obama is already in danger of losing her rights as a complete person. Roe v Wade is the least of her worries after that happens, because once Sweetie Obama starts setting the Example for the workplace, it will be downhill all the way. The President of the United States has always set the tone in the workplace. As his attitude goes, so goes the attitude of all those corporations. Considering that Barack Obama has already set gender relations back 30 years, good luck with the thought that things will be just fine for women when he is President.

In my opinion, if my younger sisters lose Roe v Wade it will be their own fault for taking the rights they have for granted, because they didn’t fight for them. They think these rights will always be there and nothing could be further from the truth. If this year’s Democratic Primary showed us one thing, it’s that these rights are precarious. In fact they would be completely gone in the wrong hands. And the wrong hands belong to Barack Obama, the man who secretly chuckled with glee as women were bashed by-proxy by his surrogates, his followers, the press and him.

I see many very young women who are dangerously complacent enough to take the time to swoon over a sexy empty suit who has already set gender relations back a minimum of 30 years. And we haven’t even gotten to the General Election campaign yet. If these women lose Roe v Wade because they all want to be the Obama Girl, then it serves them right. Not my problem. I know how not to get pregnant.

It’s my job to protect the rights I fought for that matter to me. I do not take these rights lightly. This is a misogynist’s campaign and if squealing young women are too busy spawning over Leland Gaunt handing out Needful Things and discussing his vibrating cell phone when he leans on one of them, then they will have to learn to take the consequences of their own folly along with the consolations. Maybe then they will Get It. I have already done well enough in my life. Complacency is their enemy, not mine. If they don’t appreciate what the previous generation of women went through so that they could act like they want to spawn for Barack Obama, then they don’t deserve our help any longer.

Let em eat vibrating cell phones.

Well, unlike the Obamabots, *I* happen to be aware that there is another way to achieve a progressive agenda–one which can happen even with a Republican residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And that, oh skeptical one, is to elect a SOLID DO-SOMETHING Democratic Congress (as opposed to the do-nothing Democrats sitting in the House despite having a real majority and the powerless Democrats in the Senate who had to rely on 2 independents in order to organize the Senate).
Now, take your fear-mongering back to your little band of Stormtroopers and advise them they’ll need to get some new marching orders (and talking points) if they “hope” to get your “boy” elected.

We’re up to

1. Plug my nose and vote BHO 7 15%
2. Write in Hillary’s name if not on ballot 6 13%
3. Flip to McCain 32 67%
4. Stay at home & not participate 1 2%
5. Vote 3rd party 2 4%

but as requested I’ve added the last catagory – Force a roll call vote

so you may indulge!

1. Under Hillary’s health plan anyone with a health plan they like, keeps it. If you don’t like what you have, you can choose from among several private insurance plans not government now offered to members of congress.

Health care for you and everyone else would be much cheaper and much better than it is now, simply because of volume. When everyone is required to have it, costs go down because exorbitant emergency room visits by the currently uninsured will be dramatically reduced. Coverage must be a “mandated” or costs will never go down.

For those who are poor, healthcare would be subsidized so that they can afford it.

Universal healthcare would be a boon to the economy because businesses that wish to offer healthcare to employees would have these costs greatly reduced.

Your healthcare plan can never be taken away from you for ANY reason, whether or not you are employed, or have pre-existing conditions, etc.

2. Obama has voted identically to Hillary on the Iraq war since joining the US Senate. There are plenty of people who wish Obama actually backed up his talk. It’s the best reason not to vote for him.

3. McCain has promised to appoint more women to cabinet-level positions, and he is a man of his word. Obama is backing a challenger to a black woman running for US Senate. Barlow is a Democratic Representative of a district that is 45% AA, yet he votes like a southern right wing Republican. Barrow voted with George Bush on every issue we track, including Iraq, Iran, habeas corpus, and wiretapping.

Saying that Obama is the obvious choice for women voters contradicts his record. He has more “present” votes than any other member of the body politic; five of those votes were about abortion. He was the lone vote in favor of early release from prison for sex offenders. He voted present on a bill that required the records of sex crime victims remained sealed after trial. Obama has never taken a stand on anything, and he seems to hold women and their rights in low regard. His behavior during the primaries was rude and unprofessional.

She must run home and take a long shower after being in that scumball’s presence.

voting for mccain
sending money to 527s that support mccain
dems 4 mccain bumper sticker
dems 4 mccain yard sign

It’s politics. Let me ask you something. Comrade Obama loses his bid to turn America into his own little Comrade playground. Four years from now arrives. Hillary wants to run. What party should she run on in order to win? One of the two major parties or the I Told You So Party?

SHe must remain connected to that Party. We will take it back. This crap has been tried before by radicals and children. The silent majority of this party will vote in November. Count on it.

Right, Hillary has a comprehensive cohesive plan for those issues. Obama does not.
She can believe in what is right, as we all do, but there has been no indication that Obama or the Democratic Party will deliver.
In fact, based on the values shown by Obama and the DNC the opposite is true. The Party does not hold the same ideals as most Americans, and does not even pretend to.

Obama thinks because he refuses to address President Bill Clinton with the President title he sends the signal to the black community I am the man. Michelle and Obama have never respected the Clinton’s, but they will USE them to help get them to the white house. These people have No decency, No love for this country and will try and win by any means necessary. Cheat, Lie, Steal, Threat and Murder. Your playing with Fire.

I went into great detail explaining why Obama’s mandates are bad and Clinton’s are good. I fully explored both systems. Bottom line, if it helps more people and saves more money – like Clinton’s plan – then it’s good.

After all his insults about the Clinton Administration, Comrade Obama was on the news two days ago bragging on how he wants to return america to where it was during the Clinton Administration. He couldn’t say enough good things about Bill Clinton now that it serves his thieving purposes.

He is truly a duplicitous WHORE who would do ANYTHING to CON people into electing him as Head Comrade.

Wow, could that endorsement of Bill’s be any less enthusiastic without being a downright “NO?” HAHAHAHA. And signed by his spokesman. OMG it’s a thing of beauty. I especially love the perfect touch of “anything he is asked to do.” We all know, and Bill especially knows, that BO would NEVER bring himself to go grovelling before Bill, and Bill is signaling that if the punk wants anything he better grovel for it.

HAHAHAHA. This is why both Clintons are not only total class acts but will remain dominant political forces for decades, while BO will never be anything but a whining punk.

That is an excellent point about influence!!

Well, are YOU a “kid”? Do you have any kids?
I’d rather know that if I’m paying for UNIVERSAL health insurance, that *I* have a chance to take advantage of it rather than be paying solely for someone else.
See, that’s the promise of unemployment insurance being withheld from a paycheck–that if you become unemployed, you WILL have some money coming in. That’s also behind Social Security (something YOUR boy wants to privatize–like Bush); you reach a certain age and you’ll have guaranteed income (unlike a corporate pension plan which, as we’ve all seen in the past decade, may NOT be there when you retire–hell, that pension plan may not be there next week after the company’s given the executives their golden parachutes and then filed for bankruptcy).
But, then again, I am dealing with Obamabot logic–which states that whatever Barack says today is the truth and that has always been the truth and will always be the truth until He states the new truth.

Message: I Don’t Care. P.S. You Are Dead To Me.

‘Zackly, Hope.

By the way Cynthia did an outstanding job in that Larry King interview. She is truly an articulate spokeswoman for the no-Obama forces. Great going.

That connectivity is one positive thing coming out of this election. Women have reserves of power never tapped by any politician until now. We pretty much gave up the fight after Roe V Wade as if that was the pinnacle of everything we fought for.

When the ERA was twice defeated, we pulled back into our corner consoling ourselves with Roe. When the senate allowed Anita Hill to be dismissed as a liar and gave us Clarence Thomas, a man who has never once stood up for any woman’s right, an appointment to the Supreme Court the only thing we worried about was Roe.

Emily’s List, NARAL (formally know as NARA, Pro Choice America), and the National Organization of Women only put up token resistance to this disgraceful campaign and endorsed Barack Obama before the convention, they lost me.

They no longer represent our best interests. There are as many men on the board of directors of NARAL as women even though it was created to address gender specific issues and they sanitized not only it’s name, but it’s commitment to women. How about an NAACP with a 50% white board of directors?

If this campaign has demonstrated nothing else, it has clearly shown our voices are no longer heard, if they ever truly were, and that we are the largest block of voters in the Party creating an automatic vote for the candidate while no pretence is made of anything otherwise.

African Americans have clearly and almost completely united behind their cantidate, but our cantidate was abandoned by the party and the very groups created for and by women, subjected to the most horrific and intolerable crude, vulgar comments ever heaped on any presidential cantidate, former First Lady or sitting Senator.

What are we supposed to take away from this. Fall in line and “get over it”. Not this time and not with my vote. We need to make a clear and united statement we will no longer be put in a box and taken to the polls election day.

Hey, DNC. You WILL give us and our cantidate the respect we deserve with public apologies from you and Mr. Obama or we WILL take our votes elswhere.

Comment by kevin | 2008-06-27 13:30:58

limey buddy! wassup?
Where’s my money?
Irish Liberation Theology!!!

say hi to your german overlords

Not exactly funny given Americans were funding terrorism against our people through much of the last Century – even after 9/11. It rather appalled me that when claiming Hillary solved the Irish problem, she said she did so by meeting with the IRA when they were still bombing the UK mainland.

Maybe someone needs to remind the people at Emily’s List that Barack Obama voted to confirm Richard Griffith to the DC Court. Griffith is a known opponent of Title IX programs which benefit female athletics programs in schools. Apparently, Griffith’s stance against Title IX didn’t factor into Barry’s vote (or, maybe, that was just another of those “whoops, I-MEANT-to-vote-against-him moments).

Great spokesman for the bitter Hillary supporters. So it is about sexism and they are going to vote McCain??

McCain Gambles with Awkward Joke

June 27, 2008 7:38 AM

In an interview with the Las Vegas Sun, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was asked by columnist Jon Ralston why he didn’t choose Gov. Jim Gibbons to chair his Nevada campaign.

“I appreciate his support,” McCain said. “As you know, the lieutenant governor is our chairman.”

Why snub the governor? Ralston asked.

“I didn’t mean to snub him,. I’ve known the lieutenant governor for 15 years and we’ve been good friends,” McCain said. “I didn’t intend to snub him. There are other states where the governor is not the chairman.”

Maybe it’s the governor’s approval rating and you are running from him like you are from the president? Asked Ralston in a question McCain clearly found loaded.

Said McCain, chuckling, “And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago.”

That is right – if you are against sexism, vote for someone who publicly calls his wife a c*nt and thinks wife beating is funny.

George Bush is a perfect example of how partisan ideology can delude the masses into voting for an unsuitable leader. On the heels of the Clinton scandals, the country was hungry for a “change.” George W. Bush ran on a “humble foreign policy,” “low government spending” and a return to “American family values.” (And look how well Chelsea turned out compared to the Bush twins.) McCain has an excellent record of public service. Though he is a Republican, he has more experience and is more trustworthy than Obama.

(facetious alert)Now why are you here to smear poor, poor Obama. You know he never said he wanted to withdrawl troops or set a timeline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU
You Obama supporters must stop with the smears! First you tell us he’s against NAFTA, FISA, as well as he’s going to change this and that. Which we find out are out and out lies. He’s a strong supporter of Women’s Rights with all those present votes. Did you know he passed a law to extend health care to wounded troops? Said so himself! Must have been dreaming he did that. Then, you try to hold Roe V Wade over our heads which we know is going nowhere. Now this…the humility and shame of it all. You simply must stop the smears.

Gosh, can you be a politician and not cope with defeat?

I think the ones who haven’t are the ones most of us don’t like.

We terrorized your people ourselves 200 years ago. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Seriously, seriously!

It’s enough to make you gag! I see the spawn factor as well!

What IS it with blind idol worship?

it’s pathetic

He CHOSE to compete, when it was clearly our turn and our year.

Cindy McCain is a strong, independent woman and can leave her husband whenever she likes. Why didn’t you cite the author of that article Jake Tapper? We all remember him well from when he called Bill Clinton a racist for his Jesse Jackson remarks. He’s a peddler of shameless yellow journalism, a shit disturber and a media hack.

Comment by John | 2008-06-27 13:29:13

Do you think this guy has a problem with mandatory car insurance, mandatory school attendance, etc. etc.? What a stupid dick.

Universal Health Insurance, like Social Security, only works when everyone has to participate in it’s funding. If you don’t think it should be mandatory, you don’t believe in it, period.

And I’m not voting for any “Progressive” who does not support THE Progressive cause of our age. Sorry.

Compulsory – at the force of Prison – private health insurance is NOT progressive. If you think it is you have NEVER been poor. All it does is secure giant profits for the Health Insurance companies. If you want progressive – look to the Canadian or UK Health systems.

If one DOES NOT want a woman to be President(like Obama does not), I’d say you’ve pretty much defined your position on women’s rights, eh???

Nope.

If, as a man, you truly respect a woman as a competitor, you actually compete with her. Condescending behavior is not respect.

Most guys who are up to speed would have absolutely no problem with the idea of a woman being President of the United States. Most people who are up to speed would have absolutely no problem with a person of color being President. Given the way history is moving, we may see both over the next couple or three elections.

I won’t be too surprised to see an Obama/Clinton ticket in the fall. If they were elected, I’d expect the course of our nation to take a decidedly positive turn. I would expect to see Hillary redefining what it means to be Vice President. And I’d fully expect her to be Obama’s successor.

Hillary, Obama, or both might decide that she shouldn’t be on the ticket. If she’s not, look for her to become the major democratic force in the Senate, working closely with Obama to further a shared democratic political agenda. Success of that agenda would lead to the same point: Hillary Clinton running again for President.

No doubt many here will think that view optimistic to the point of lunacy. Particularly about the character and leadership potential of Barack Obama. All I can say is that if I’m crazy I’m in good company. Hillary Clinton seems to be thinking that way too.

Okay, couldn’t watch the whole ‘Unity’ thing on TV, wanted to throw up. Even though Cynthia didn’t go far enough on Larry King on the reasons we will never vote for the anti-American Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, etc follower she did the right thing in dismissing the roe v wade issue they keep throwing at us and in calling attention to the sexist media who publicly, politically and verbally raped Senator Clinton. So to Hillary, NO we will not ever support the Soros puppet and to Olberman, Matthews, Russert(now deceased)Dowd and all of the others we will not ever support or vote for BO because we have PMS now. Principles
Morals and
Standards.

PUMA is not so alone on this as the Obama supporters
would like you to think……..

Prominent Dems to lead McCain group
By Brian Lawson

Two well-known New Hampshire Democrats have endorsed the Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee. Jim McConaha and Valery Mitchell, who have pledged their support to U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), will serve as co-chairs of “New Hampshire Democrats for McCain.”

The announcement comes the day before U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), McCain’s presumptive general election opponent, campaigns in New Hampshire with U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

McConaha was a political appointment of President Clinton and served as New Hampshire director for the federal Farm Service Agency and was recently a member of U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd’s presidential Steering Committee.

Mitchell was a member of John Kerry’s Steering Committee in 2004 and also supported Dodd in 2008. She is a former organizer of the Democratic Network.

“It was not easy to step away from my party in the McCain-Obama race, but I want a president whose judgment we know and trust, and a leader who will do what is in the best interest of our country without regard to politics or ideology,” Mitchell said in a campaign press release.

McConaha also cited McCain’s judgement.

“This is the most important job in the world. We need a leader of proven competence, tested judgment and substantial experience in the modern world and, obviously, that is John McCain.”

It was also announced that Marcia Moran, of Concord, and David Lee, of Londonderry, will serve as co-chairs of “New Hampshire Independents for McCain.”

And if you think Obama is capable of fixing any of the problems from the last eight years, you a very sadly mistaken.
You don’t really believe he’s capable, do you?
How do you manage to trust anything he says?
When he does state a position or policy he does so erratically, incoherently and without a command of facts. Then, based on his audience, proceeds to change whatever stance he had previously taken.
FISA
NAFTA
Isreal
Talking without preconditions to enemies within his first year in office
Iran is not a threat, Iran is a threat
and so on and so on

The leadership of Annie’s List in Texas is also endorsing Obama, although not so outwardly. The majority of their board members donated to Obama’s campaign. In fact, one of their board members, Naomi Aberly, is on Obama’s National Finance Committee and recently held a huge fundraiser for him at her home in Dallas, where David Axelrod was the guest of honor. Only two of their board members donated to Hillary’s campaign. Their Chair, Alice London, is taking it as far as Denver, where she will serve as a national delegate for Obama.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-27 13:50:08

1. Under Hillary’s health plan anyone with a health plan they like, keeps it. If you don’t like what you have, you can choose from among several private insurance plans not government now offered to members of congress.

Health care for you and everyone else would be much cheaper and much better than it is now, simply because of volume. When everyone is required to have it, costs go down because exorbitant emergency room visits by the currently uninsured will be dramatically reduced. Coverage must be a “mandated” or costs will never go down.

For those who are poor, healthcare would be subsidized so that they can afford it.

Universal healthcare would be a boon to the economy because businesses that wish to offer healthcare to employees would have these costs greatly reduced.

Your healthcare plan can never be taken away from you for ANY reason, whether or not you are employed, or have pre-existing conditions, etc.

Complete rubbish. Increased demand for Private Health care, sharing the burden of costs for those with pre-existing conditions (the Insurance companies will pass the bill on) and the element of compulsion will drive costs up. If you want a progressive plan, look to the UK or even Canada. A decent Government health care system will drive insurance costs DOWN.

2. Obama has voted identically to Hillary on the Iraq war since joining the US Senate.

So vote for McCain and BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN? Not exactly logical and to not the best way to resolve the growing crisis in the Middle East, unless of course you do want World War 3. (The US will get no International support on this)

3. McCain has promised to appoint more women to cabinet-level positions, and he is a man of his word. Obama is backing a challenger to a black woman running for US Senate. Barlow is a Democratic Representative of a district that is 45% AA, yet he votes like a southern right wing Republican. Barrow voted with George Bush on every issue we track, including Iraq, Iran, habeas corpus, and wiretapping.

McCain built his reputation as being that of the maverick. He then won as being a wingnut (pro torture etc etc). You claim Obama flip flops – where exactly does McCain stand and can you really believe another Republican Presidential Candidate? Especially one who calls his wife a c*nt.

As for Democratic candidates – look at the Daily Kos Red to Blue list. Not just more Democrats but better ones.

You got it. Obama’s subtle sexism is what most of us dealt with in the 90′s.

Now, the overt stuff……that was the 70′s.

But I relate a lot to the subtle stuff. Who wants to even try to distill it into a sentence for TV.

We all know.

And we also know he pulled it constantly.

but I don’t even care about that.

Democrats let down women. And we have been their mainstay for decades.

That’s what is important.

We will not work for a party that dismisses us this way after decades of proving ourselves.

No way.

No Deal.

You can get those “new” Democrats out to donate to the DNC. Want to know how many woman have cancelled their monthly contributions? Ask Dean.

You can get those “new” Democrats out to work the down-ticket, too.

Good luck. We heard you loudly through your actions.

I personally respect the message of the Democrats.

Women……go away.

Okie dokie.

Wonderful, wonderful job Cynthia. You really were great with the points, were calm and collected. Thank you so much! You sounded terrific!

Also, a note about Emily’s list…
I am very disappointed at their stance and endorsement of BO, especially when they came out with such strong objections to what NARAL did. They had an easy out with their fundamental goal being to elect qualified WOMEN across the country. Why did they endorse? It makes me wonder if there aren’t some bullying tactics going on behind the curtain from Obama’s campaign. It just seems a bit weird to me. Like he (BO) is trying to create divisions among the groups and people that worked to support Clinton.

Thank you, John……..

Ditto! We really do need a moderate party. Seems these days even the Independents have an agenda with whom they choose to represent them. The one thing I am thankful for since 2006, and again now in 2008. We that have both liberal ideas as well as conservative ones have once again found our voices. We have been pushed to the side with fall in line as our voices were just a whisper compared to the radical sides of both parties.

You cannot unite a country unless you’re willing to reach across that table and work together. As Kevin pointed out we don’t always agree on every issue, but we are willing to dicuss it as adults. We have people posting from every party without all the bullying.

This country is coming together. The moderate voices, the true majority. The voices that were lost have been found and it’s a refreshing change of pace.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-27 14:10:30

We terrorized your people ourselves 200 years ago. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Hmmm. Not the cleverest of comments after 9/11, but hey. I’d make sure you support Feingold after comments like that.

Not exactly relevant to the subject at hand, but with regard to battles of past; to the victor, history. Now I seem to remember a somewhat mad King agreeing to end the war. The battles I am less clear about. So which battles were won by Americans during the War of Independence?

Wow, Cynthia Ruccia was awesome — crisp, concrete, right on message. Very impressive. I’m not so sanguine as she is about John McCain, though I understand some people are willing to give him a chance, if it means whacking the DNC for its outrageous behavior this election cycle, by not supporting and defending the lifeblood of its organization: women.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-27 14:14:50

Cindy McCain is a strong, independent woman and can leave her husband whenever she likes. Why didn’t you cite the author of that article Jake Tapper? We all remember him well from when he called Bill Clinton a racist for his Jesse Jackson remarks. He’s a peddler of shameless yellow journalism, a shit disturber and a media hack.

So here is the link to the transcript – the interview you will find is done by Jon Ralston

http://lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2008/jun/26/transcript-mccain-interview/

I agree…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8

Stocks are down. Consumer confidence is at an all time low. Foreclosures and bankruptcies are up. Millions are without health insurance. Iran is building a nuclear bomb. The list goes on and on yet Ellen Moran is worried about Roe v Wade. Does she really think Obama and his Chicago cronies are going to better this nation? He is clueless and we must not let this happen for the future of our children. It saddens me that Hillary had to show support for someone she clearly knows is incompetent. She is a great lady though and you gotta respect her for her class. Something Obama and so many of his supporters know nothing about.

Except for the obvious sexist connotations about the usage of whore, I think that describes Obama to a T.

What’s the male (or genderless) equivalent of whore?

I watched the rally this morning and I don’t believe she is going all out. She is doing her duty, as she sees it, without enthusiasm.

Limey troll
my money?
your princelings abused my irish ancestors forcing them to flee here, where we opened gold and silver mines, but I am due money for my great great great great grandfather’s suffering and I want it right now.

the reference mccain made was to they hypothetical impossible to answer question
“when did you stop beating your wife”?

any answer makes you look like a wife beater

thought they taught english and stuff over there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8
empty chair

yup…..the Disneyland coalition.

He was just too much of a jerk. And the pile on of Hillary for five solid months was hideous. This wasn’t a one time insult. The entire top of the party treated her like dirt for five solid months, as did the media. None of them defended her. None of them supported her. All they did was tell her to get out. Now it’s time for them to deal with the consequences of their behavior. They seem to have no idea how mad we are.

After everything we witnessed, I am convinced that it would be psychologically sick to vote for him.

Between his lack of experience and his ugly attitude, he has no business being president. I do not think is any more up to the task of the presidency than George W. Bush was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8

Ditto. But I thought her statement that WE should have spoken out earlier was on the nose.

That is true.

I fully accept that criticism. It is true.

I was complacent.

What I’ve seen all along are a minority of angry, highly vocal people on both sides going at each other, working each other up towards ever more outrageous attacks. I don’t believe those voices represent the opinions of mainstream Obama or Clinton supporters, either one.

They’ve worked up such a head of steam that they’ve completely lost sight of the common democratic agenda. They’ve lost sight to the point that they’ll promote a republican, unmindful of what he stands for, just to continue striking out at their perceived opponent.

They’ll tell themselves they’re somehow still striking blows for Hillary Clinton–even though Hillary Clinton herself repeatedly points out that it’s the common democratic agenda that’s of primary importance.

I’m very weary of only being against things. For seven-and-a-half years, democrats have been in a position to do nothing but register what they’re against–while being blamed by the right for every problem the country faces. When we spoke out about Bush’s godawful war, or spoke out about the purposeful errosion of our basic rights and freedoms, we were openly accused of being traitors to our nation. While Bush bankrupted the nation, we were characterized as “tax and spend democrats”. While the likes of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh dominated the airwaves with an incessant flood of right-wing hate speech, the right simultaneously yammered on and on endlessly about the liberal media.

I’ve had it with the republicans and had it with the right. To advocate voting them another four years because you’re upset about not having your choice of democratic candidates–when your own candidate is actually supporting the man herself–is right off the charts. I can’t even wrap my brain around the fundamental illogic.

Simply being against somebody is not an empowering political strategy. You’ve got to be for something. You’ve got to promote the positive agenda.

BS. I don’t buy the entitlement argument for a second.

He is entitled to compete.

And so was she.

BTW I have never thought Obama sexy, well spoken, etc. He has always sounded like an idiot, and is so not sexy…Arrogance is such a turn off. So why tell me do some of you say and/or repeat he is sexy, or that he is a great speaker??? He has never been either. In fact when ever I have had the displeasure of hearing him at one of his rallies (though briefly, because of gag reflux), I immediately think of a preacher, not a politician.He is not at all sexy.

Bingo.

That’s within 5% of the latest national polls.

*heh

Let’s see what Bill really does. Seems like everything that has been said of his support is from a “spokesperson” If this guy is such a racist I wonder why BHO wants his support?

empty chair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8

Oh well, Bush is a lot scarier. We survived him. Sort of.

I don’t think, personally, the president has nearly the power that the election suggests.

He can’t change the economy, for example.

There’s no magic bullet.

He can’t do a lot, really. Bush did more than most, because he went to Congress with bad information.

I don’t see Obama like Bush.

Obama is Carter. It’s 4 years of photo ops and do nothing. That’s bad. But it’s nothing to sit up at night worrying over.

Obama is just a suit with a tan. The Democrats are pretty obviously stupid.

They probably won’t do much that makes a whit of difference in our lives.

The few times he really showed up to vote?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8

Complete rubbish. Increased demand for Private Health care, sharing the burden of costs for those with pre-existing conditions (the Insurance companies will pass the bill on) and the element of compulsion will drive costs up. If you want a progressive plan, look to the UK or even Canada. A decent Government health care system will drive insurance costs DOWN.

There is already demand for healthcare. Everyone, in fact, needs it. Right now, insurance providers can deny coverage. That is how they make money. You get sick, and they find a loophole for not covering your expenses after you’ve paid premiums. If you are uninsured, you just go to the ER where the taxpayers pick it up. Practitioners charge the most they can get away with, because they know this is how it works. Privatizing health means that the market still forces rates to be competitive, so citizens are not taxed as heavily as they are in the UK and Canada where people also have to abide by waiting lists.

So vote for McCain and BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN? Not exactly logical and to not the best way to resolve the growing crisis in the Middle East, unless of course you do want World War 3. (The US will get no International support on this.)

McCain’s talk was for the Iranian mullahs who wouldn’t even be in power, if it weren’t for Obama’s foreign policy Zbigniew Brzezinski who advised Carter.

Right now Iran is funding the insurgency as well as Hezbollah and Hamas. They are enriching at a rate that alarms the international community. Obama has one opinion on how to deal with them one day and another depending on who’s asking. That won’t cut it.

Furthermore, Zbig is a notorious Cold War hawk and Russian revanchist who was responsible for our current Islamic threat. Obama has threatened to invade Pakistan. If a US break with Musharraf and / or a real democratic opening in Pakistan merely pave the way for unilateral US or NATO aggression, we could be going very quickly from the frying pan to the fire. Pakistan remains the most dangerous country in the world today, as its government is politically unstable and it already has nukes.

Brzezinski wants Obama to mobilize soft power, a new form of imperialist aggression based on economic warfare, subversion, deception, and people power coups. The final goal is confrontation with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the main world center for resistance to US-UK global domination. China is TWENTY times bigger than Iran, with ICBMs ready to launch, followed by Russia, the world’s biggest nuclear power. Obama is getting money from Soros who funded the Rose Revolution. The Islamic terror threat also appears to be popping up in the Caucasus after these so called revolutions. And of course, these “wahhabi radicals” are coming from Russia. Coincidentally, Obama’s parents met in a Russian language class. He is the perfect candidate for the very same network of rogue spooks, corrupt bankers and mercenary weapons designers who were the seed from which BCCI, Iran-Contra and 9-11 sprang.

Why on Earth would you expect him to put someone who overshadows him on the ticket? He does not even repect her, it will not happen.

Shared agenda? No one even knows what his agenda is.

You can dream and hope all you want, but Obama has shown no capacity to do what you hope he will.

It saddens me that Hillary had to show support for someone she clearly knows is incompetent.

She doesn’t have to support him.

If Hillary Clinton thought Barack Obama was incompetent, she wouldn’t be.
She’s got too much integrity for that.

People need to think things through.

Either Barack Obama isn’t who you think he is, or Hillary Clinton isn’t who you think she is, or Hillary Clinton is no judge of character.

Which is it?

*respect- sp

And think about it. On September 11, 2001 a group of people connected with insider trading deals and Saudi oil / CIA petro-dollar black ops were meeting in Chicago. The Carlyle Group contributed heavily to Obama’s campaign. Tony Rezko, Obama’s political godfather, also gave 3 million to Bush in 2004. Recent trials have proved most of Rezko’s funding came from Nahdmi Auchi who made his money from stealing Iraqi oil; he was saddam Hussein’s bagman.

There are just too many coincidences.

Thanks for finding the write up. I couldn’t locate it earlier,when I posted the names, as I got it off Fox television. Only a matter of time, and hope more people start to leave the party, and Dean and Pelosi, will need to open there eyes a little more.lol

You do what you have to do at her level of politics- if you listened to her speeches and ads throughout the entire campaign, it is clear she believes she had the greater competence to lead while Obama does not. In politics no one race is the end game. She may have her sights on other goals and objectives in the future that may make her think supporting Obama in the short run is better than not. She is a devoted Democratic leader despite what the DNC did to her. She has the class and BACKBONE of the party- not Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, and certainly not Michele and Barak Hussein Obama.

Why on Earth would you expect him to put someone who overshadows him on the ticket?

He might not be thinking of shadows. He might think they’d both shine brighter in each other’s light.

Obama’s a quick-stepping politician, but I think he’s got an agenda. His record of bills in the Illinois State Senate suggests that. It’s possible Hillary Clinton’s political experience would pull Obama and his national agenda into tight focus. They might add up to something we haven’t seen before.

I’m not sayin’ it’s so. I’m just throwing that out as a thought.

Yeah, he’s at the birthday party and snubbed Oprah, good for him. She got so much support from the Clintons and then she backstabbed them.

I hope Clinton tells them to shove their Unity up their a**.

Uppity,

You’re right.

Another point to consider, with BO campaigning alongside Hillary around the country and saying all these wonderful things about her NOW (wow, she went from a bitch who would do anything to win to, “She Rocks!”…well then, if he loses in November (which is more than likely), then there will be no excuse for him, Meechelle, the DNC, the pundits and the politicians to attack her in 2012 when she runs again!

They will have to put their entire support behind her, because this time, it will be the “people’s choice”, and not the party elites’ choice for our nominee, and she will win.

Of course, I still haven’t given up that something will come up between now and the convention that will finally open people’s eyes to who BO truly is and Hillary will rise from the dust, as Maya Angelou so eloquently said!

WTF does American independence have to do with 911? The IRA doesn’t have annything to do with feminist groups appearing on Larry King Live, either. Suck it, Limey.

Read it already. No one cares. “Scratching your face” is more sexist than McCauin’s tasteless joke.

The thought of Obama in the White House scares you more than the thought of an aging male with an explosive temper having his finger on the button of our nuclear arsenal? You should read up some on the famous McCain temper.

No offense to John, but John’s tendency to suddenly and completely blow his cool worries me. A Senator can get away with a tendency toward road rage. Not a President.

Ah, yes. Unity. The Dems peed all over that at the RBC meeting. Long before it, actually. When one faction stages a daring coup to seize power from another, even if that means political blood is shed, there ain’t no Unity.

The only thing that matters is her supporters have three choices (1) Obama (2) McCain (3) a third party candidate. I think Obama is dangerous. I hate his supporters guts. I think Hillary got a raw deal in the primaries, though she’ll never say it. So, my choice is McCain. Hopefully, he will torpedo Obama’s campaign, send a message to the DNC that they need to clean up their act and send a message to the media that they don’t select our President. The skinheads and radicals who have been supporting Obama can skip back to obscurity, and McCain can work on straightening up the mess Bush left this country in. Our government will be balanced, meaning he will keep the Dems who’ve been hijacked by the hardline left in check.

Why is everybody so obsessed with suits, throwing people under buses, and Kool-Ade? I’m never sure if these are PeeWee Herman, Ken Kesey, or Jim Jones references…

Although this has been clearly documented by polls, I hate to make generalizations, especially about my own gender. But the difference I saw in the attitudes of these two women was about 15 years. It was also not surprising the Salon story featured here recently was by a younger woman.

I realize there tends to be a disconnect between the generations but where is the gut feeling, at least for the women in their thirties and early forties, that tells more of them to question this whole thing?

So,we should abandon democratic policies and ignore the advice of our own former candidate in favor of a republican?

Sorry. Just can’t do it. I’ll take a drink the Ken Kesey Kool-Ade, but you’ll never convince me to drink from the Jim Jones cup.

OMG the man’s been tortured for godsakes, he withstood that!! Obama on the other hand has no business being near the nuclear button. Remember his votes …I pushed the wrong button…I meant to vote….uhhhh..hmmm.

Cynthia is very clear, but I get frustrated when I do not hear PUMA spokespeople answer the “McCain has polar opposite positions” meme effectively. The fundamental issue for many of us is that the Democratic Party committed fraud–pure and simple. They manipulated the election, enforcing the rules selectively, to create their desired outcome. He is an ILLEGITIMATE nominee, and we will not support those violations. How can we support the “nominee”/party when he was selected through undemocratic practices? Otherwise, it is easy for critics to dismiss us as “angry, emotional, irrational, sore losers” which completely misses the point for our conscientious objection. Our actions are based on patriotism, not in spite of it.

Each group has a slightly different focus, and Cynthia’s is focused on “sexism.” It would also be helpful if group’s clarified WHY sexism is so destructive, educating the public about how this hate speech leads to violence, unequal pay, job discrimination, etc. Link it to everyone’s mothers, daughters, sisters, mothers, and that will resonate widely!

That’s right, to vote in line with the DNC is to condone the behavior. It’s like in behavioral psychology, conditioned response. If we vote for Bammy despite what they did it only reinforces the behavior.

But the difference was when she was still winning and it was close, she was told to drop out, they wouldn’t have done that to a man.

hes too much of a narcissist, personality disorders trump any other intellectual goals.

I agree completely Karen (see my post above). I think the JustSayNoDeal coalition leaders need to create a unified message (where it overlaps) so their message is in sync and exponentially more powerful.

When talking about the manipulation and fraud of the DNC, they should have specific examples (and for the sexism) ready to fire away. That’s why the Republicans have been so successful over the years–they stay on message and have clear specifics to back up their themes. I am not talking about mind control like BO, but giving evidence to support our complaints so they cannot be brushed off as “angry women who didn’t get what they want.” It also looks odd if we don’t have strong reasons for considering McCain–it just looks like we are voting AGAINST BO (which is part of the reason). Then we are just “throwing tantrums and being irresponsible.”

Let’s throw a few dollars to the 3rd party candidates…can’t hurt to peel off a few votes from Barry with a green party candidate.

I am sick about this, though. We’ve got foreclosures on my California street, gas is 5 a gallon, our house has lost 100K in equity in the past year, job security is softer than it once was. We are in such a precarious position. I believe HRC would have done everything in her power to work for the country 24/7 to turn this around. And this is when the party decides to foist this know-nothing on us.

He is a peacock. BO and his phony presidential seal. That tells the story right there. That phony seal is what he is all about.

That is what I am thinking the game plan “should be”. I am not voting McCain and I can’t vote Obama. So I am just waiting to see how this plays out.

Obama’s agenda has always been to further himself and yes Hillary does over shadow him, but how else is he going to be elected. Obama isn’t an idealist…

She’s not. Did you see the footage today–she is just going through the motions. The reports I saw also said that if BO wants her help, he’s going to have to give a lot more than $2,300. She does not want to be out there. Don’t forget her life’s work is tied up in this structure, like it or not. She has promised to get health care etc. through, and that is her focus. She is clearly not enjoying it. Fortunately, her supporters in the crowd were strongly cheering for her, and she lit up when they did.

Who’s a WHORE? Randi Rhodes, is that you?

I believe John McCain would be far more dangerous. His hair-triggered, explosive temper and impulsive, over-the-top responses are a very serious issue. I have no idea why people aren’t talking about this. It’s a long-standing, well-documented problem.

Here’s an article from a couple of years back. You can find more with a little searching. I consider the older stuff more reliable, because it came out long before McCain was the presumptive republican nominee. There was less motivation then for politically biased spin:

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/7/5/00548.shtml

I couldn’t agree with you more. I have been saying this for a year now — Obama is just too inexperienced to be President. Just look at all the flip flopping he is doing on many issues. he doesn’t know where he stands. And, he’s pandering to gun owners after the Supreme Court struck down the DC handgun ban today. Does he really think people are so stupid they don’t smell a phoney a mile away?

I’m from California too and I know exactly what you’re talking about. Hillary had solutions. She was esp. concerned about the housing market and wanted a freeze on foreclosures. Obama just posed for photos and made audiences faint while Hillary had a plan.

Dawnelle; What, in your opinion, should she do? I don’t think her choices are limited to two: support him or don’t support him. She has said many times, “I will not give up and I will not give in.” and there is more than one way to fight. Taking the aggressive way is satisfying, but unproductive.

The last time I looked, there are one hundred twenty five superdelegates still unpledged. I wonder why that would be since Obama, the late Tim Russert, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others have said he is the nominee? I agree with Annin. I don’t think this will happen often if ever again. Watch the video of the rally several times. Study Obama and the crowd and their reactions to Hillary. What she did today required more courage than anything she has had to do during this campaign. And she did have to do it.

Don’t lose faith. We can continue what we do and trust her to keep fighting.

I don’t think this is the same Anninca.
Was there a giant pea pod next to your bed this morning? Not to be rude, just asking…….
If you don’t think women are ENTITLED to one good shot at the Presidency after 232 years of men, there’s something wrong, in my opinion!!!! We are MORE than entitled, after the total omission that’s gone on for over two centuries!!!!!

yeah, I can tell how you guys who are “up to speed” are just ga ga over the idea of a woman President.Oh, yeah, that is SO obvious. And so let’s name all the women who’ve been Prez…..hmmm Oh wait. There aren’t any.
Good job, men! Being fair doensn’t mean that you’re creating a victim. Just FYI

Anninca—You “don’t buy the entitlement argument”? Really? Well, I have two words for you: Title IX. Does that make you cringe, too? Would you like to dismantle women’s collegiate sports, and all that Title IX allows? It is entitlement out the kazoo!!
Bingo back at ya.

It’s not the responsibility of men to make sure a woman gets elected president. It’s just their responsibility to be willing to vote for whoever they think is best qualified, without considering gender as a deciding factor.

Women have had the vote in the United States since 1920. Female voters outnumber the males. (By total population, there are almost 5 million more women in the country than men. I assume the ratio holds for the voting-age segment.) Women could put a woman in the White House even if most male voters objected–and I doubt if the majority of them do.

I won’t take any personal blame on this one, just because I happen to be male. I’d have voted for Hillary more readily than for Obama. One being female and one being black was never an issue with me–other than it being something long overdue.

But WE – the voters – won’t.

In the end, that’s all that matters.

Tiberus:A Greek name from the country of the birth of Democracy and civilized, philosophical discussion and I will debate you with logic.

Nice words and that is something we have had a plethora of in the last year. I can take every point you made and point out the fallacy, but it would take too much time. Instead, I’m going to take the most offensive.

Your first argument is based on an axiom you have no way of proving. How many are we? How will you prove your assumption?

Attributing intent to others is beyond normal debate. It is smug and pompous and believing this is only or even primarily about Hillary illustrates how little you understand the situation. We have not lost sight of the democratic agenda only the Democratic Party agenda. We have not changed our agenda.

The Constitution of this country guarantees our right to vote. Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin all believed this right to be the best way to challenge a system not responding to our concerns. Just think of it as civil disobedience. BTW that is something women had to wait one hundred and fifty years after that document was signed to be recognized. The vote is the ultimate form of protest in a civilized society.

So what is a group of people to do when they believe the system has been corrupted with the intent of excluding them? Other than taking up arms, it is the power of one man/woman one vote. There is an obligation to expose the truth and to use the power of our one vote in a way most effective in bringing attention to the corruption when all else has failed. Any other discussion, including your need to protect the Democratic Party, are irrelevant.

I am very sorry to hear you are weary. When someone wants to discontinue a discussion due to their own need to be comfortable, I would suggest you take a nap.

“and that the sole purpose of voting is not to throw a tantrum.”

Umm…like the temper tantrums you Obamabrats are throwing because you can’t control neither our minds nor our votes?

Like the tantrums the short-sighted, ignorant O’brats in the MSM, the DNC and the blogs are having because the majority of Hillary’s are going to avoid voting for the Dem’s version of George W. Bush in favor of John McCain?

Are those the brat attacks you’re referring to?

Right on Cynthia! Obama is NOT qualified to be POTUS.
He is also wrong on defense.

Is this what Obama did when he promised to NOT support the FISA bill early on – only to vote in favor of the bill later amd JUSTIFY doing it? Or how about him promising to accept strictly public campaign financing – only to backpeddle on THAT promise? Or do you prefer the flip-flopping Obama’s doing on the Supremes’ decision yesterday?

Good Grief!!

WHAT THE F— IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS TO SNAP OUT OF THEIR FOG??

What is it going to take for the Obama people to WAKE THE F— UP and realize that Barack Obama IS NOT THE RIGHT CANDIDATE TO BE POTUS???

When will the damn light come on in their heads?

LOL!!

So damn true!

“So,we should abandon democratic policies”

Like Obama did with FISA, for example? And will definitely do again on other important democratic policies if elected?

“and ignore the advice of our own former candidate”

I doubt VERY seriously that Hillary Clinton was your former candidate.

And that’s ALL Hillary can do – advise her supporters. NOT DICTATE TO THEM HOW TO VOTE.

“in favor of a republican?”

A CENTRIST Republican.

Not an extreme right-wing nut like George W. Bush.

Nor an extreme, left-wing, flip-flopping nut like Barack Obama.

Definite lack of logic there.

“She can believe in what is right, as we all do, but there has been no indication that Obama or the Democratic Party will deliver.”

Exactly.

Nothing but useless hot air from Obama.

Obama’s flip-flopping on the FISA bill and campaign financing proves that. And that’s just for starters.

I REFUSE to vote for a trifling candidate just because he’s a Democrat.

But gender SHOULD have been an issue with any enlightened male in this society. You should feel ashamed that a woman has never been elected President of U.S. MEN have. So now, I guess we have to go through all of the different colors of men, before we’ll elect a woman. You bet your ass gender should be an issue. And Obama is only half black, but Hillary is all woman.

Your presentation was excellent and well thought out. Last night I read a comment by one of BO’s someone different, but same and he/she said FISA meant “squat” to her/him. Any time he does one of his flip flops, it’s ok with them and/or they bring up Hillary/Bill. There’s a level of cult here to the point if he told them to get ready for the Mother Ship, they would pack their bags.

“I agree totally with Women for Fair Politics. It’s high time we move beyond Roe Vs Wade. And I’ve not seen the Democrats pass equal pay laws yet.

Have you?

They love to talk it. They’ve never really done it.”

Nope. Not at all.

The Democratic Party hasn’t done much of a damn thing to support TRUE democratic polices in recent years – including many women’s and civil rights issues.

Many have become just as corrupt, greedy, self-serving and evil as many Republicans. There are still genuine Democratic and Republican leaders left, but they’re outnumbered.

“No offense to John, but John’s tendency to suddenly and completely blow his cool worries me. A Senator can get away with a tendency toward road rage. Not a President.”

Bull.

President Bill Clinton was VERY famous for his temper in political circles.

Yet he was STILL an effective and successful President. And still respected by most – though WIDELY envied.

“I see many very young women who are dangerously complacent enough to take the time to swoon over a sexy empty suit who has already set gender relations back a minimum of 30 years. And we haven’t even gotten to the General Election campaign yet. If these women lose Roe v Wade because they all want to be the Obama Girl, then it serves them right. Not my problem. I know how not to get pregnant.

It’s my job to protect the rights I fought for that matter to me. I do not take these rights lightly. This is a misogynist’s campaign and if squealing young women are too busy spawning over Leland Gaunt handing out Needful Things and discussing his vibrating cell phone when he leans on one of them, then they will have to learn to take the consequences of their own folly along with the consolations. Maybe then they will Get It. I have already done well enough in my life. Complacency is their enemy, not mine. If they don’t appreciate what the previous generation of women went through so that they could act like they want to spawn for Barack Obama, then they don’t deserve our help any longer.

Let em eat vibrating cell phones.”

Preach it!!

Let them fight for their OWN rights – just like past generations of women did.

Oops, Obama will not end the war in Iraq. Political positioning or cluelessness? You decide.

What Cynthia Ruccia said – I’m standing with her and her 3 million strong Org. Emily’s list should not be backing the loser, but fighting for an open democratic convention!

If you believe that your candidate Barky stands for anything on that list — you have your head up your ass.

As far as I can tell Barky-BOBO has NO core values. He does NOT want Universal Health care — that would put his racist wife out of a job. And she might really have to work — she is as lazy as BOBO is.

BOBO has zero respect for women — so we are no almost back to square one — at least to pre WWII as far as women human rights stands.

Reproductive choice — BOBO could care less — he has been pandering to the anti reproductive rights crowd — BOBO is flip flopping and full of shit as usual.

Nope — the only option is to VOTE AGAINST BOBO. The DNC must be taken down, fired, put on the street — sent back to the hole they came from.

You are an idiot.

Exactly — we do not know WHO or WHAT Obama really is.

His word is worthless — he flip flop — depends on who he is talking to.

Is he black? Is he white — neither — he is a rich guy who wants even more money and more power.

BOBO could care less who he hurts along the way — he took the money and let mostly black people live in substandard poor folk housing. His buddies got rich and richer — and his buddies helped him get to the Senate and they are trying to get him into the white house — so that they can loot the nation.

NO deal — BOBO we know what you are — but the people you associate with.

BOBO — you are a greedy, people of no race and no skin color — just the color of greed.

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[...] Women For Fair Politics: On Larry King Live (by SusanUnPC at No Quarter) On CNN’s Larry King Live Thursday night, Cynthia Ruccia of Women For Fair Politics debated Ellen Moran … who represents Emily’s List — which has disappointingly decided to back Barack Obama instead of sticking to its founding charter of supporting women candidates… The last thing that Emily’s List should be doing is seeking to dilute its funds needed for female candidates by backing Barack Obama, who permitted and participated in the sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton. Click through to watch the video. [...]