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So Not Getting Over It: You Renfields Can Bite Me

By Ginaswo on June 30, 2008 at 2:49 AM in Current Affairs

A guest rant by Ginaswo.

What I find really Hillyarious, is that now everyone on Team Uhhbama has been instructed to use ‘get over it’ as if that will somehow take the words out of Uhhbamas mouth and make it less offensive and condescending if they all say it or variations of it…

Obama said it
Rendell said it on MSNBC
Sebelius said it
Pelosi said it
Emilys List said it
all the REALLY KEWL blogs are saying it

This of course, just continues to show us that under no circumstances will we, the most loyal constituency of the party (despite Brazile’s claims to the contrary), we 52% of the populace (yet still a minority), and our male compatriots for Democracy, be shown little if any respect (or consideration, or honor or gratitude for years of work for the party) not then, not now and not going forward.

God Forbid they should try to pander to US, or ASK what issues we feel need to be addressed to UNITE.

NAH why do that when you can continue your primary pattern of invalidating us and our candidate as people, as voters, as Democrats, as freakin’ human beings.

But everyone else, Indies, GOP crossovers, hunters, conservatives, liberals, everyone BUT us, well to THEM the party panders like crazy … got an issue? Uhhbamas got a position, cant guarantee it’ll be the same tomorrow, but he has a position ..no white papers on line for us though, not for the concerned disenfranchised disillusioned Democrats.

‘Deadenders’ — that they can do, give us a snotty, nickname, one used here in the USA by none other than Rumsfeld and Cheney, NIIIIICE….

But this group calling themselves the Democratic leadership and Uhhbama Campaign and followers, well they never miss a chance to give us another back of the hand, get over it-esque comment and a reminder that we will ‘come home’, or ‘don’t have anywhere else to go’ or ‘would be certifiably crazy’, or just ‘spiteful and self-destructive’ to go with the other candidate.

Better yet, throw some sexist stereotypes in there while you’re at it! Use the platform of a known former pro Hillary site and really go wild, put up a caricature of all of us as an older white woman cutting off her nose to spite her face! sure!! my only question there was, hey where’s the cats? don’t all old white ladies have cats?

That’s the way, remind us we are somehow lesser and expressing independent non-lemming like thought and action is, after all, something we have difficulty doing, we have always ‘come home’ before, it is for the ‘greater good’, we wont REALLY WANT to do that independent action thing! Why we are just being, you know, female!

Even the millions of men, yep, you too, are (I take it from what we see out there), apparently suffering something similar to what some husbands feel when their wives are pregnant: symptoms of female fickle-mindedness and emotionality in sympathy with their wives, Yeah that’s it!!

And of course, be sure Uhhbama campaign and its Renfield lackeys, to use as many stereotyped images and code words as you can (especially you media and would-be poser progressive bloggers), don’t pull punches now: ‘emotional’, ‘spiteful’ ‘hotheaded’ ‘petulant’ ‘whiny’ ‘unreasonable’ ‘illogical’ ‘wrong-headed’ ‘vindictive’ ‘hormonal’…

This is nothing new. What IS new IMO is seeing Democrats and Progressives perform the seemingly impossible feat of simultaneously acknowledging varying degrees of sexism in the coverage of Hillary’s candidacy, and at the same time and OFTEN IN THE SAME PIECE use gender biased and stereotyped words, images, and patterns of thinking in their coverage of and treatment of the supporters of Hillary Clinton who have decided not to support Senator Obama and/or the Democratic Party in the Fall.

The Psychological Needs analyses indicated that the male stereotypes were always higher on Dominance, Autonomy, Aggression, and Exhibition, and usually higher on Achievement and Endurance. The female stereotypes were always higher on Abasement, Deference, Succorance, and Nurturance, and usually higher on Affiliation and Heterosexuality. No pancultural tendencies were observed for Change, Order, or Intraception.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_7-8_40/ai_55083943/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

Sex Roles, 1999. Williams, Best et al

Is that what is really bothering the machine at this point? It was evident throughout Hillary’s run but at a lower volume IMO. That ongoing meme that Hillary should somehow be campaigning FOR Obama every time she was out on the trail for herself. If she didn’t mention him, didn’t defend him enough, didn’t in fact tout him to one and all, or heaven forefend attempted to put herself forward, it clearly bothered the media, the pundits, progesssive bloggerz. They somehow felt SHE shouldto promote HIM.

They have now determined to apply this standard to US. Apparently, now that we, as a block, are not ready willing or able to climb on board their Unity pony, it is our turn to be lambasted as gdisabled children who should be laying down and thinking of America but instead are standing up and thinking of….well America.

In the World According to Kos, regardless of who we are or what our issues are or where weor what we do or what our hgopes, dreams and asp. It is our ‘duty’ to sacrafice ourselves and our needs and issues on the altar to glory of the One, (as he represents THEIR glorification).

We need to ‘make nice’ we need to be ‘agreeable’, to ‘enable’ Obama, it OFFENDS them that we won’t on some deep level.

The situation has in fact gotten worse IMHO and not better, as people who seemed reasonable to our positions as recently as two weeks ago, flipped their switch and dialogues and have now joined in applying this gender biased bashing to millions of their fellow Democrats. It is the Obama Primary Meme going wide. It was awful on the small scale ans just as much when others join in.

the key words, behaviors we DON’T adopt that these Obama PUSHERS are looking for from ‘women’:

DEFER
APPEASE
NURTURE
SUCCOR

We aren’t filling any of these stereotyped gender roles for them and they don’t seem to be able to do anything but throw other gender biased code words at us to make themselves feel better about it and dismiss us. When the ‘girl’ won’t gp out with you it’s because she was anyway right? How many times have they used the prom date analogy in the past few weeks, the answer-quite a few. The reason-positively Freudian.

After all, isn’t that the traditional method for dealing with an uppity woman, ignore her, shun her, label her with a literal or metaphorical A or in this case, a cat?. Isn’t that what they threatened Hillary with, shunning her in the Senate if she didn’t ‘make nice’, ‘get over it’.

It says it all, enable us, validate us succor us and nurture us as we throw you under da bus.

NO.

In fact, FRAK NO, maybe you haven’t heard but we aren’t one issue voters, and we don’t HAVE to do anything, you haven’t taken our liberty yet frakkers..and as Oprah told us, we are after all, free women and men, obligated to no pone by gender, or religion, or nationality, or political affiliation, or ‘tone’ of any kind. We are united in our independence in fact, something that seems to really bug them for some reason. Could it be because this position is antithetical tto the implementation and assimilation into the Obamanation? Yeah.

Keep being condescending, sweeties, you make it so much sweeter to pull that lever for BIG MAC..

and you give our proselytizing to get other DEMS , INDIES and GOPers to join us so SWEET and full of PASSION and ENERGY..that emotionality you decry may be something more, patriotism, faith, pride, self determination as impetus, Yeah, things like that.

Nothing gets me revved quite as much as some putz without guts like Pelosi on Greta, or that buffoon Capus at MSNBC, and this faux journalist Traitster and their ilk, telling us what we WILL DO or HAVE TO DO or MUST DO..

I don’t take my motivation from these continual turds shat upon Democracy, but I do take them as little reminders; like reeking post it notes of the slow decay of Democracy if we don’t stand up for fair expression and representation of our votes as cast, and push back against Media and Hollywood and Corporate branded and funded candidates who are UNQUALIFIED and ILL SUITED to be our CIC and POTUS.

Our work at Justsaynodeal and its affiliates has the added bonus of keeping the media Renfields and their keepers off their message to the wider electorate, if they are busy trying to lecture or hold half the base, it seems they can’t get the other margin they need to win (sure they will cheat and steal votes, but they will need SOME legitimate votes to make it look good after all!)..

BWAAAHAAA

MuuHuuuHaaaaaa

LOVES IT

PUMA BABY

And all you Renfields, well you can BITE ME!!!

HARP

I would love to know how many men,like myself are part of PUMA. Maybe an online poll might help.

robert

Male PUMA, 47, Latino. West Coast.
Just a Thought

I would assume there are many, many of us.

Far more than the pundits and the Obama/DNC cabal realize, or at least are willing to admit to.
Newly Independent

There are MANY male Hillary supporters.

But the Obama cowards are afraid to pick on them. Picking on women is alot easier to them.

It sure as hell won’t help them on Election Day. :-
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LAMusing

Well said. You nailed it!

Easier by far for the DNC and BO’s campaign folks to say any disunity is due to post-menopausal women feeling “hurt”. You know how emotionally unstable these PUMA women are, right?

And yes, you PUMA men are just racist.

ElliotNC

Male Puma, 53, Chapel Hill
jwrjr

Ginaswo: chill (just a little bit). There is a sizable contingent from the “male” community who dislike the DNC and Uhhbama as much as you do. I would stipulate that you have more reasons. But some males can recognize a bad joke (and disaster in the making) when they see one.
susan

However many there are of you, we thank each and every one of you for your support, your intelligence, and your good common sense. Tell your friends about PUMA.
jerzyernie

male Puma 42 new jersey

DJ

Has anyone noticed the more we don’t fall into line the more vocal they become.We are like a sore that won’t heal and the longer it is around, the more it irritates them. If things run as usual, the DNC, Obama, and all his cronies, will become even more agitated, which should contribute to their spewing off at the mouth. Hound can not be seen any other way than anti-PUMA. Instead of confronting our issues, they insist on trying to shove this unqualified candidate even further down our throats. Obama is the prime example of a candidate when given power can destroy whatever he is connected with. He and his associates are just out to line their own pockets at the expense of all Americans. We MUST NOT give in and work to get others to join our cause. America is the prize and ewveryone knows Americans want to win. DOWN WITH THE DNC AND OBAMA…….GO PUMAS…OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN……..ROAR!!!!!!!!!!

Hope

like a sore that won’t heal-

thought that was Israel according to Obama

Hope Floats

Ha ha. You beat me to the punch.

RKart

Obama has redesigned his Presidential Seal to reflect his attitude towards Hillary’s 18 million voters. Check it out:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/05cd17105f.png

I will not vote Obama. PUMA all the way!

Just a Thought

I have absolutely no intention honoring the Obama fawners’ mantra of “get over it”. No way!

In fact, I am in the process of “getting on with it”.
By “it” I mean the effort to defeat Obama, the DNC, and all of the sell-outs that support them.

However, after I, along with many others of you on this blog, have done exactly that. Beaten them, humiliated them, and guaranteed that they will not ascend to power.

I shall then be glad to remind them of their denigrating chant, by condescendingly urging them to “get over it”.

As for now, and for this election, I sincerely suggest that they “get Over” the idea of ever getting my vote.

Newly Independent

“In fact, I am in the process of “getting on with it”.”

That’s the truth!! I like that! I’m “getting on with it” too. We’re getting Obama’s ass OUT of the picture in November.
alibe4hillary

I just wish Obama would get over the expectation that we are going to come around. He can get over that idea. We ain’t coming around. No Way, No How, Nobama.
Not getting over it! Get used to it!

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

Great article. Thank you.

I still cannot help thinking that I am an unpaid whore because I feel used by the Republicans and certainly used my(?) party. I guess the major difference is that the Republicans are wooing me and the Democrats keep insulting me.

I had signed up for Democrats for McCain and within hours of Hillary’s “concession,” I had a phone call from McCain’s people. My party took it for a given that I would fall in line.

McCain has publically acknowledged that we may not share every view, but that I was welcome and there are issues we are in agreement.

There is no way any one candidate or party can represent all of my views. I have always crossed party lines issue by issue, but up until now, I have stayed a party-line Democrat when it came to voting. No more.

I will take a chance on a candidate that I can trust over one who blows smoke. I am able to disagree. I get mad when pandered to and I know that Obama stands on a slim reed.

When I look around, it is hard for me to see many women in positions of power. I guess there is equality on paper and I always assumed that one day there would be a true equality. When I press my friends and coworkers, it is hard for them to name more than three women in positions of power. Oprah always makes the list.

At this point, I doubt I will ever see a woman President in my lifetime. I just do not understand it all. Am I to be grateful that we have come along way in the last 50 years? Sure I am, but why can I not expect it all?

I swear, I cringe everytime I hear “pantsuit.” What the heck are the men wearing? I guess they just wear the standard or normal “suit” or even “business suit.” Women wear “pantsuits” because we are not quite men. How dare we take off those skirts?

I know, I know. I should get over it and stop being so emotional.

Just a Thought

Pantsuit remarks are just a few of the mulitudinous sexist remarks thrown at HRC and her female supporters this election. And of course do not forget how racist you are.

We male supporters have all been branded as racists, ignorant, never Democrats, etc.

I have never witnessed such pernicious, ad-hominem attacks on one segment, of either political party, by a faction of the same party.

I am inured to such, and hope if you are not already, you will soon become so.

You have nothing to “get over”, and your emotions are very understandable given the betrayal of the party towards women, and all long time loyalists.

Hopefully we, men and women, who find the whole episode disgusting can make our feelings heard loudly and clearly, and discourage anyone from ever taking us for granted again.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

Thank you for being understanding. Most of my complaints are just against the ONE. I could never mention gender again and still fight the good fight. I am just so insulted that I have been lumped into this bitter category due to my gender, age and education. (I do have a cat- but still )

This guy is beyond belief. Even I know that Jerusalem is off limits. I am positive that I know more about our relationship with Pakistan than Obama ever would. As for Iraq, easy to lie that he would pull troups out day one. What a liar and panderer. We need Iraq since we can not always depend on Saudi. I can look on a world map- I know exactly what it happening. Look at our footholds all around Iran. Not that I am saying we are looking for war- I am saying that we are not looking for more war. Obama lacks perspective.

He has no idea about the income tax system and he has not developed ONE plan. His hypothetical tax on the “wealthy” changes depending what crowd he is talking to.

He is so pay to play that is is sickening. I can hardly read his quotes- pointing out grammar errors has become a sport. The media has been far too kind.

My dad is a PUMA too. We came to independent decisions last year. I was somewhat embarrassed to tell him that I would vote McCain if Hillary did not get the nomination. He was surprised, but he said he had made the same decision after voting 40 years a Democrat.

Just a Thought

I come to this decision the same way, I have been a voting, donating, campaigning, Democrat for 46 years. I do not take my decision to vote for McCain lightly.

It is a considered conclusion based on the fact that Obama remains an unknown to me, and seems, as you mentioned, to be totally in over his head. He and his followers tell me to just trust him. I cannot do so.

I have trusted the Clintons, warts and all, throughout their political lives to have the intelligence, the fortitude, and an understanding of America and Americans as a whole to govern fairly and well. I have not been disappointed.

I cannot support Obama because of what I see as his dearth of such attributes. Also, I have never seen, nor heard of, a serious candidate for President with such an elusive history, and an “un-papered” record of public service and academics.

Then, adding into the mix a coterie of divisive, unsavory, mysterious, and hate-driven mentors and associates, leaves me no rational choice other than to avoid him like the plague.

Therefore, I will vote for McCain. I do know much about him, some things I admire, and others I disagree with totally. Having said that, I still would rather deal with a known devil or foe, as opposed to the stealth devil or foe.

McCain to me is at least “real” and has a record, Obama remains an enigma.

eriezindian

‘Just a Thought’ expresses my thoughts so well……..concur completely. 41 yrs voting for Dems for POTUS…….not this yr. Sometimes I don’t like McCain but still would feel better with him in the White House. I can not understand the DNC this yr…dropped my monthly contribution in April. I guess I was a little late with that, maybe 5 yrs too late but no more to the DNC. PUMA!

Obama is a bum

“At this point, I doubt I will ever see a woman President in my lifetime.”

If Obama loses there is a good chance you will see Hillary make it in 2012, if Obama wins I don’t think Hillary will ever run again. I’m surprised a lot of the No Deal people don’t realize this and actually have a goal of Obama losing which means they need to vote for McCain since he is the only one who has a chance to defeat Obama.

No doubt, more women will be running in the future. I don’t know much about Sarah Palin but some Republicans told me that she may be someone who runs in the future or gets on someone’s ticket as a VP.
elise

Why should you or any of us get over it? We have been sold a bill of goods and they have failed to deliver. Watching this line of talk show appearances by former Hillary supporters is like watching tapes of hostages reading prepared statements.

JB

Oborg are sociopaths, bottom line. They enjoy giving Hillary supporters the back of the hand, they can’t help it.

Zee

Like leader, like followers.

http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

I started commenting here to try to challenge the Obama-bashers. But the more I read, the more I feel swayed by the PUMA position. Ginaswo’s post put me over the top. I’m with you! I’m votin’ for the guy who called his wife a c**t in public!

Somewhere up in heaven, Lee Atwater is smiling.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

You are the reason we will never vote for Obama. You offer no substance. Your posts are always hateful. Sad.

http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

Kelly, I don’t think it’s hateful to point out the irony of women leading a movement to disregard their own political interests as Democrats… and try to elect a man whose treatment of his wives has been less than exemplary.

JB

You — yes, you — women! We’re gonna tell you where your interests lie. You’re too stupid to think for yourselves.

Your place is on the Democrat plantation, and you’re only allowed to concern yourselves with Roe v. Wade. We want you to think that it will be overturned, and you will vote for us, lockstep, in perpetuity.

But we do not practice the old politics of fear — no, no, no — we represent hope and change!
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

Just give people some peace. You are only here to be mean, because you are paid, or your ego? You won- be gracious. Everyone on knows what McCain said- but you had to repeat it and in this thread. You must enjoy saying it. No one here spells out the “N” word to make any point.

You are typifying the exact same behavior explained in this article. We are people in here. If you do not want our support- fine. I tell you that you win nothing with sarcasm and ugly imagery.

UKforDems

Comment by Kelly | 2008-06-30 04:39:42

Just give people some peace. You are only here to be mean, because you are paid, or your ego? You won- be gracious. Everyone on knows what McCain said- but you had to repeat it and in this thread. You must enjoy saying it. No one here spells out the “N” word to make any point

Really?

Comment by Johnny at Work | 2008-06-25 01:19:48

What happened to Mr “I welcome to have the debate with McCain”?

During the Primary Debates O’boys response to every hypothetical was “I welcome to have that debate with McCain”.

Another flip flop… but O’boy can’t help it, he’s a RE-NIGGER.
Comment by Alecki | 2008-06-25 06:47:57

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They don’t want a candidate that mentions 57 states in his speeches. 50 states in the USA and 57 states in the Nation of Islam (IOC website)
They don’t want a candidate that fights unfair and steals Michigan delegate votes from his opponent.

They don’t want a candidate that feels sorry to leave a church that is anti American and that preaches hatred and racial views that are cruel and nasty.

They don’t want a candidate that is inexperienced.
They don’t want a candidate that considers it a loss to not to be able to attend his anti American, racist Church.
They don’t want a candidate that has a “non practicing” Muslim father, but avoids the entire discussion of his father.

trish

We dont want a congress who has been getting sweetheart deals from countryside, we dont want a congress who wants to have loophole bailouts that americans will pay for , we dont want congress who took this economy south as soon as they took control 18 months ago..we dont want more carters failed policies, or candidates who have no original words, oh yeah she rock she rocks..you a rock obamma a pet rock fad! not fit to be a senator let alone president you have coke fun with larry sinclair in the back seat of his car…not we dont want disrespectful person like this around our children..and congress demms can tell the americans to drop dead, they wont allow us to drill or use shale, or coal..dems dont like it if they cant get their mitts on our money,, and they will raise taxes on everything all the while saying its all bushs fault…

http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

Well… I certainly can’t argue with any of that.
Hope Floats

What has been more disastrous for our economy than the Bush tax cuts: the housing market crisis, the credit industry bailout and the wars. We keep hearing about the Bush tax cuts, and that’s assessing the situation rather narrowly.

Lucinda

I don’t recognize either one of these names as regular posters here. How do you know that they’re not trolls who are trying to make the site look bad? We get them all the time. They come on all the time and post something racially inflammatory to bait us.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

Good for you. I should have only spoken for myself. Again- just a bunch a bullies and smart asses. -from the UK even (right). I also did not bother to say I had seen Obama folks use the N word here… but I was not trying to stir up trouble like you. You like to use that ugly word repeated above to hurt women? Because that is what you are defending.

Northwest rain

You are a male chauvinist pig — because you don’t get it and you never will.

RESPECT — it is missing from snObama — he is an inadequate male — inexperienced and lazy.

When snObama deliberately insulted Hillary Clinton he insulted ALL women — some women are too damned stupid to know that they were insulted. snObama does not respect women.

snObama is a racist and he is a chauvinist pig — as are his followers.

snObama has no core values — he flip flops on every issue.

And most importantly — snObama LOST — he lost the electoral vote and he lost the popular vote. snObama lost the swing states — and he will not win — because enough of us care about AMERICA.

McCain is a patriot — he loves America.

The same cannot be said for snObama — because of the church snObama CHOOSE to attend for 20 years.

And WHERE THE HELL IS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

PUMA!
Newly Independent

“disregard their own political interests as Democrats”

Obama and the DNC did the above. And will definitely continue to do so if Obama is elected.

Those asses have proven well beyond doubt that they don’t give a shit about women in general. Only about their votes and money. So f— them.

To vote for Obama is to vote against women’s political interests.
LAMusing

I’m “disregarding my own interests”? Wrong. I am most assuredly looking out for my interests.
PUMA, sir, PUMA.

http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

I am most assuredly looking out for my interests.

Which ones, if I may ask? The Supreme Court? Health care reform? Ending the war in Iraq?

beebop

If you would like to tell us what Senator Obama’s current plans are for any of these issues, that would be GREAT ….

Please bear in mind that he was going to vote for Roberts and then was cautioned not to by his colleagues …. He is opposed to universal health care and I would certainly encourage you to look at what mandated care for one segment does to the balance of the population does in models that have been done. As for Iraq? Please. He’s only been there ONCE. He has had so many positions on Iraq — including support for BLACKWATER and the other mercenaries — that he is not to be trusted on this particular issue. And I find it appalling that you would compare him to John McCain on this on. What about the economy which is where most Democrats outshine Republicans? You got nothing!
Five Thirty

“I am most assuredly looking out for my interests.”

Which ones, if I may ask?

The most important is having an honest Democratic National Committee that doesn’t cheat on the primaries in order to install their choice of candidate. If the party isn’t honest we can’t support it. Supporting dishonesty (current DNC) will only make things worse for this country.
Hope Floats

Ending the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan, as well as affordable healthcare and lower gas prices. Thanks – yes, all reasons I’m voting for McCain.

Hope Floats

Let’s talk about Obama’s voting record on the war. Any talk of McCain’s personal life is irrelevant. It’s been rehashed exhaustively.

So, how do you explain Obama’s 20 pro-war votes that either fund the war, support those who lied to get us into war, or those who profitted from war such as Halliburton?

A PRO-WAR RECORD

Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:

“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars…Roll call 2″

“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”

“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture… man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”

“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte’s prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107″

“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”

“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”

“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”

“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”

“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”

“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”

“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”

“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”

“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”

“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”

“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”

“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”

“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”

“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .

9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”

“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”

“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”

“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush’s policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 ”

“Obama’s voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 …Obama’s record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”

Wow. I might have worded things a little differently than CYNT at times, but that’s a damning bill of indictment.

Obama’s intra-Democratic political record also defies those who insistent on wrapping him in an antiwar flag. In 2006 Obama lent his celebrity and political finance assistance to neoconservative war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-Connecticut) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Obama supported other mainstream Democrats fighting genuinely antiwar progressives in primary races, collaborating with Democratic muscle man Rahm Emannuel’s campaign to marginalize “peaceniks” within the party (see Sirota 2006, Silverstein 2006 and Cockburn 2006).

In a November 2005 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Obama rejected Rep. John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for a rapid redeployment and any notion of a timetable for withdrawal. Obama advocated “a pragmatic solution to the real war we’re facing in Iraq” and made repeated references to the need to “defeat” the “insurgency.” This language meant continuation of the war (Ford and Gamble 2005).

Earlier that same year, Obama shamefully distanced himself from his fellow Senator Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo (Street 2005; Cockburn 2006).

And he still refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran (Gerson 2007). As Kucinich pointed out during last night’s debate, this is what Obama’s comment that “all options are on the table” in regard to Iran really boils down to: the potential first black U.S. President is willing to seriously consider the launching of a thermonuclear attack on that country. Debate participant Mike Gravel (a left former U.S. Senator of Alaska)was thinking of that horrific possibility when said the following about the leading Democratic candidates (Obama included of course) last night: “these people scare me.”

Cut and pasted from this site..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×4643795#4643795

Which is quoted from this article.

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/15558
elise

By John Lennon

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is…think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it…do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she wont be a slave, we say that she dont love us
If shes real, we say shes trying to be a man
While putting her down, we pretend that shes above us

Woman is the nigger of the world…yes she is
If you dont believe me, take a look at the one youre with
Woman is the slave of the slaves
Ah, yeah…better scream about it

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that shes too unworldly to be our friend

Woman is the nigger of the world…yes she is
If you dont believe me, take a look at the one youre with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yeah…alright…hit it!

We insult her every day on tv
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When shes young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is…if you dont believe me, take a look at the one youre with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is…if you believe me, you better scream about it

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
http://mbc MBC

We’re not all women. We already said we don’t agree with everything John McCain has said or done. We are not voting on strictly women’s issues, we are voting against a fraud and a charlatan and most of all the DNC and their selection process. We can get through four more years with McCain just fine, we are not so sure about Obama.

socalannie

Its an ironic year, all round.
Just a Thought

If Lee Atwater is smiling, it would be because he has so many want-to-be adherants like yourself still crawling around down here.

You do him proud with your constant prattle of mis-information, denigration, taunting, and insulting.

However, I think he would likely laugh at your ill-conceived, ego-driven idea of your importance, as opposed to being an insignificant pest, regarding posting in here and elsewhere. Not real sure what he thought of self-important posers, since he was the real deal.

But…I feel certain that he would admire, and be supportive of your pschoactive worship of your savior Obama, that was what he always tried to instill in followers regarding his candidates.

Yes, yes, yes. You do ol’ Lee proud blackman!

Just a Thought

Should read “psychoactive”. Fingers and brain argue now and then, just like we Democrats.
http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

If Lee Atwater is smiling, it’s because so-called Democrats are so busy sticking knives into the back of the Democratic nominee… there’s no room for GOP dirty-tricksters to stick theirs in.

I still don’t know how something so good went so wrong. The Democratic primaries were thrilling contests, voters were fired up as never before. I thought this would bode well for November, regardless of which one got the nomination.

Now, I’m witnessing a phenomenon I’ve never seen before. And it’s heartbreaking.

Just a Thought

You must have come to the primary late, Black Man. Had you been involved all along you surely would have seen a phenomenon much more appalling than the one you are seeing now.

We “so-called Democrats” watched as the candidate we know to be better suited to govern this nation was not only stabbed, but virtually eviserated.

She was subjected to every conceivable insult and indinity by the Obama campaign, the DNC, the media, and Obama supporters. She endured all, fought, and proved her superiority.

The RBC, the DNC, and the Obama campaign worked furiously together to eliminate her, in favor of your chosen one, prior to the convention. Even resorting to logic defying math, and rule defying delegate theft, to do so.

As a result, neither you, nor any other Obama follower, will garner any empathy or sympathy from me regarding “your heartbreak” at the perceived phenomenon you are witnessing.

What you are seeing is not new, we have been here. We are resolute, and we are not considering unifying with entities that we find abhorrent.

So, if as you say, “the knives are out”, I guess it would be considered karma.

By the way, as yet there is no “nominee”, only a presumptive one. That could still change!
beebop

(scratching head) Did he win anything after February? Despite dumping buckets of money? I don’t think anyone was paying any attention to the voters because the “Democratic Party” had already made up its mind.

PhxNickD

he won 6 of the last 15 primaries – one being Guam by 7 votes. She picked up over 500,000 votes in those primaries. and of course he outspent her in every single one. (scratching my head now)

Hope Floats

BARF. All this from a white Canadian bitch with daddy issues. “The Democratic primaries were such thrilling contests.” If you were rooting for Brutus on the Ides of March, perhaps.
http://mbc MBC

What is so heartbreaking about it is that the DNC selected the most undesirable, incompetent, inexperienced, disingenuous, flip-flopping candidate they could find!

karen for Clinton

As a proletariat I have larger concerns.

That comment allegedly said was originally founded by one author, Cliff Schecter in his tell all book.

Here is the humorous side of the whole c*unt drama making it the moot point it is in the big picture.

If the word offends you, do not click on this, but if you have a sense of humor, please do so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euu_DMhsXQo
Obama is a bum

Are you sure you don’t want to vote for a man whose spirtual advisor routinely scorned the US and ridiculed the Clintons during sermons at Obama’s church?
maniaco

hey UBM, “welcome aboard” . . .

. . . you phony c##ksucker*

[* meant as a term of endearment ~ that was you on your knees in the back of BO's limo, right?]
bemused

UBM–
Then you won’t be voting for the guy who slapped his wife on the ass in public or the guy who pushes “sweeties” off. Good for you! No one has ever actually provided an attribution to this moment when JM supposedly called his wife a “c**t” but you know what? A lot of happily married people call each other really funny things in private. If he ever said that, I bet it was a slip. Because I’ve seen them up close and personal, living in AZ as I do, and they seem pretty happy with each other. So it’s really good to know that you’ve finally seen BO for what he is.
Heather

Undercover Black Man – no one can top Black Liberation Theology for misogyny. Starting with Stokely Carmichael’s famous quote that the best position for women in the Black Power movement is “prone”, and right up to the present with BLT preachers joking about a husband’s right to criticize his wife’s hair (supposedly analogous to Wright’s criticisms of USofKKKA) and you have an evil thread that has taken over the Democratic party this year. Frankly, I have no idea where Obama stands on the issues important to women, he’s flip-flopped to much on all the others. If folks find McCain too much to swallow, there’s always Nader.

socalannie

Great post Ginaswo! I took a sleeping pill about 1/2 hour ago & now you’ve got me all hyped up again!

hey where’s the cats? don’t all old white ladies have cats?

They’re seeing our “cats” now–big scary ones with deep growls, sharp claws and most important…millions of (male & female) non-bho voters.
trist

This was an EXCELLENT read!

And yeah I wanna jump through the screen and bitch slap, maybe I should make that “butch” slap since we’re fighting sexism among other things here, every person who says as a matter of fact: “they” come to their senses, “they” come back home “they” do the RIGHT thing in the end. Speaking as if they say, we obey. Oie Vey!

Oh and BTW I am one of those 8-12% of black Americans who ISN’T voting for the Messiah, yes I wish I could apologize for the 92% that is, but oh well they’ll just have to learn to “get over it” after he loses…. Michelle can promise the Messiah will “heal our souls, and save this world” but I’ll just settle for cheaper gas right now, thank you!

trist

Ooops that should be “they’ll” sorry! ^_^

snackpack

Yeah, I’ll get over the laughing spell I’m gonna have when Obo isn’t elected in November. Frankly, I just believe him to be a fraud without elaborating.

But more to my point…I’m a little concerned.

Being of the persuasion that certain elite powers control most everything in our country, world, acknowledging that the war in on all of us and not a certain race, religion or class…having said that…

When Obama doesn’t win in November, there will be an uprising in many, many areas of the country.

I’m six states away from home in a sanctuary city and let me tell you, the tension you can cut with a knife.

My question, is anybody else noticing this?

Heather

Yes, the threat of riots at the DNC convention in Denver worked quite well to spook Dem leaders into railroading Hillary out and Barack in. The threats will be raised again in the general election. Let’s face it, does CNN want an ugly scene outside (and inside!) their Atlanta headquarters (Atlanta being, what, 60% African American)? Do Paramount and Disney and the other media conglomerates want riots in the streets outside their headquarters? And yes, I can just see the birkenstock-wearing, bedreadlocked Seattle-ites smashing their grande half-caff hazelnut soy lattes against the windows of Microsoft.

Oh yes, the threat is there. My response? Bring it on.

Sore losers

Don’t worry, we will. If you Clintonistas think you will hijack the election like Bush, you have another thing coming. We won’t hesitate to turn this country upside down and take it back from the ruling classes. Oh, wait. That’s not an issue anymore seeing as how she already LOST.

elise

Ginaswo that is absolutely awesome and I thank you for your rant. You have expressed the rage burning inside me for months. Acknowledging it and embracing it will make the defeat of the party so much sweeter in November. The DNC and Obama have torn us apart and any attempt by them or the media to lay the blame at our doorstep doesn’t bother me at all. I’ll proudly accept the blame. The Democratic Party will lose in November and once that realization came to me, it brought me peace of sorts. This is the way it is and maybe they will understand or not. I don’t care. I don’t care about Roe V Wade and I am angry I have let that one issue be my guide in previous elections. They will try to make the campaign about Bush and McCain, but it will always be about Obama. He has made it so and it can’t be changed. My perception slowly changed, but the epiphany came on May 31, 2008. It is anarchy. A revolution in motion and it has a life of it’s own. They can no more change it or the outcome than they can stop the sunrise. Obviously they recognize, finally, there is a problem, but they have waited too long, overslept, daydreamed of their victory and they have become irrelevant. It’s been months since I watched CNN and MSNBC. I don’t read the WP or nyt or wsj. They have no information I want or need. I have taken myself beyond their influence. There are many things I may not understand about Obama, but I’ve been an activist long enough to understnad the games they play. I’ll suffer a moment of embarrassment at their stupity in the efforts to hijack all my beliefs and I an Free At Last.Been thinking a little of Dwight Eisenhower recently and how he kept things going. He was a military man, but not militant. When I place my vote for McCain, I’m going to think of Edinhower and pray.

Northwest rain

We were in good with Eisenhower — the military personnel and families were in good hands.

snObama just is not CiC material — he doesn’t understand the military culture. He would be a danger to the military — because snObama is NOT a leader — he does not have good leadership characteristics. snObama has the talent to bring out the worst in his followers.

What I’m reading is that each of us has done some soul searching and have made a rational decision NOT to vote for Obama. Many of us have made the next decision to make sure that Obama does not get the keys to the white house that we must vote for McCain.

McCain isn’t perfect — but he is so much better than snObama that there is no contest.

PUMA!

Sore losers

I had heard about sites like this one and Hillaryis44 but had yet to peruse them until now. The ignorance you people have displayed is staggering. If you want your children in Iraq, awesome, put McCain in there. I noticed those of you who have posted their ages are all a bunch of old disgruntled people over 45. If you want to go to war with Iran, by all means, vote McCain.A man who has admitted he knows nothing about the economy, called his wife the c-bomb in front of several reporters, insulted the Clintons’ daughter (which makes it even more comical that you all want to vote for him), a man who even the Republicans are not thrilled with. Queen Clinton lost and you need to get over it. That sense of entitlement only gets low class white and Latino voters like yourselves so far. Maybe if you had sense enough to pursue higher education, kind of like Hillary did, you would be smart enough to see that you are only screwing yourselves and your children over. By the way, I voted for Clinton in the primary. Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn’t dream of voting for someone of her caliber.

Karma

Yeah……because having an iron fence kill a 3 year old boy thanks to Obama’s money men….is so much more honorable.

Or living in a mansion that was bought under shady circumstances…..a bonus for looking the other way. While those slums decayed even futher….is something full of ‘hope’ and ‘change’ to be cheered.

And that Bosnia-gate….is just so horrible compared to a real gate falling on a kid.

Whew…thankfully you woke up and drank the kool-aid in the knick of time so you could ignore Rezko, Auchi, Ayers, and that adorable little 3 year old.

Run along….quick…before the kool-aid wears off and your morals kick in.

LAMusing

FABULOUS POST!!! WHOO HOO! Thank you, Ginaswo!

And to the DNC and BO, who have been pulling that crap threatening women with the loss of their reproductive rights unless we all “get over it” and hop on the Unity Express, I say-

I did not vote with my vagina.

And I will not be held hostage by threats to my uterus.

The DNC and BO made it quite clear to me during the primary how much they stand for women… which is not at all.

PUMA!
LJ

My 52 year old husband is a PUMA, and so are most of our friends — and we are the “Obama Types” on paper — PhD’s, college town, Volvos — you know our type! Or do you?!

So don’t believe all of your own spin O’bots…Can’t wait for November!

LAMusing

hehehe

They seem to think PUMA a handful of post menopausal cranky women lead by a few dozen paid Republican Operatives.

I wonder if after November they will remember screaming at Hillary supporters that anyone not voting for BO was an uneducated racist and “we don’t need you in the Party.”?

Zee

“They seem to think PUMA a handful of post menopausal cranky women lead by a few dozen paid Republican Operatives.”

Branding worked on them, so of course they think it’ll work on us.

glennmcgahhee

I was really hoping that when Obama had to actually take a stand in the Senate these last few weeks and actually participate in Congress, we would see if he was actually the progressive that they all declare him to be. Just as I thought, he’s just another pol. Too bad, none of his so-called progressive blog supporters are holding his feet to the fire. Instead, they make excuses for him. He’s switched the positions that they touted about him as soon as he got back to Congress. What are his excuses? Fisa, election funding, the endorsement of John Barrow (Bush enabler), passing the Iraq War funding. Instead of challenging the powers that Bush and Cheney have accumulated, he now wants those powers for himself if he’s elected. Thats the biggest problem. Once a person gains power, they are woeful to give it up. I’m sure not about to hand them over to the Illinois Combine. Nobody is payning much attention to the fact that Dennis Kucinich has not endorsed Obama either.

Zee

Kucinich already did his damage by saying he’d release his delegates to Obama back when the race was in its early days.

Christy

The BO tools are a bunch of shrieking father Pfleger type wimpy child molesters who hate women. The only reason they supported the inexperienced idiot BO in the first place is because they are terrified of women. They never could have voted for Hillary, or ANY woman for that matter.

A huge THANK-YOU to you REAL MEN like Larry who support Hillary! Real men don’t need only stupid unsuccessful women in their lives.

Love you, Larry

Sore losers

Hillary supporters are bunch of white trash, illegal immigrants, unwashed, uneducated mindless morons. Hmmm the truth hurts doesn’t it. Real men accept defeat graciously, something the Clintons have yet to learn to do. Do we really need any more affirmative action cases such as Queen Clinton in the white house? Get over yourselves.

Perry Logan

“Get over it” is what the Bushbots said after they stole the 2004 election. Evidently, this is what thieves say.

Meet Michelle Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Dnj_2capU
karen for Clinton

Ginaswo, great read. Getting “over it” isn’t an option, it is accepting betrayal, and I say No Deal.

I have a parrot, for 16 years now. They have a very long life expectancy and make interesting companions.

Rendell will hear me roar, I live in NEPA and am a AFSCME member. My local is not happy at all, men and women of NEPA will strongly support McCain.

This is the heart of Clinton country and it will be RED in November for Mac, guaranteed.
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Robbedvoter

Got a beautiful male PUMA by me – he might not be on line as much, but is a PUMA all the way!
So, Boys of Brazile – some of us, little ol’ ladies who interrupted our knitting have families too. Young ones, male ones, non-knotting PUMAS of all colors too. So, you may need to vary your insults a bit – racist, menopausal and Republican – don’t quite cover the voters you’re pushing away.
Erasmus

Yes, we are ‘getting over’ our impotence and passivity and are getting stuck into concrete action against Obama.
PUMA.
http://none Peg

My husband and I watched ‘Inside Washington’ on PBS Friday. After laughing at the women who say they won’t vote for Obama, and stating that most all will come back to the party in November, Nina Totenburg made this outrageous statement: Of course, there is a group of women who will never vote for Obama (pause for emphasis) BECAUSE OF RACE.

Jowly Mark Shields sat knowingly silent, as well as Colbert King.

I looked at my husand and said DID YOU HEAR WHAT SHE JUST SAID? And he said, Yeah, my jaw dropped and I couldn’t talk.

(We were out of town at the time) I’m gonna write that woman today.
Lucinda

I still have a hard time believing that the people who are telling everyone to “get over it” would do the same if the situation were reversed. I especially have a hard time believing it, judging by the comments I’ve read here and on other blogs by Obama supporters. I think they would be just as hurt and mad as Hillary supporters are. Maybe even moreso.
I’m not a Democrat. I’m an Independent, so I’ve been “over it” for quite a while, and I’ve already started supporting my second choice. However, my sister and mother-in-law are dems, so I know how frustrating it is for you to see your party self-destructing. My sister has joined PUMA, and my mother-in-law is planning to stay home on election day, although her daughter (a Republican) is trying to talk her into voting for McCain.
So the movement is spreading out from a small internet group into mainstream, middle America. The opposition is worried about you, or they wouldn’t be talking about you so much.

Lucinda

CORRECTION: My sister read this and asked me to post that she is no longer a Democrat. She changed her party affiliation to Independent last month.

richard gorrell

Male

Independent

PUMA! (Party Unity My Ass or People United Make Action)

We will remember in November!

Hillary or Mccain 08′
kenoshaMarge

Don’t expect Obamacrats to understand the PUMA phenomenon. It takes people who refuse to jump on empty bandwagons, who refuse to accept any damn clown as a nominee just because he/she has a “D” after their name.

When Democratic Leadership decided to become as corrupt as the Republicans in order to select their preferred nominee and defeat Senator Clinton they lost a large part of their constituency. Insulting and alienating large numbers of voters is a new political tactic I’ve never seen before. Seems kinda simpleminded.

We will not get over it. We will do our best to defeat this poser in this election. We will do our best to get rid of the corrupt leadership of the Party and the DNC. We will keep being a burr under their saddle until they return the party to the standards and the issues and the beliefs that it pretends to espouse.

PUMAcrats love America. Obamacrats love Obama. Simple as that.

http://none Peg

There’s a good slogan:

I’d jump on your bandwagon, but it’s empty.

or

I’d jump on your bandwagon, but I’m afraid you’ll push me under it!

Indyvoter

We’ll get over it when Obama is soundly defeated.
basil

undercover,

I doubt that McCain would EVER back (Odinga) who is in favor of reimposing SHARIA law in Kenya including stripping women of rights, forcing them to wear the burka and reinstituting FMG (female genital mutilation).

Obama’s cousin Odinga is in favor of all of the above. BO campaigned for and supported Odinga, even lending him one of his main henchmen, Diclie-toe-sucking-Morris, to advise him. (That worked out real good; 1000 Christians massacred). BO even talked to Odinga during the New Hampshire primary in an attempt to orchestra an ODINGA coup.

Any true egaliatarian male would never support such a misogynistic prick, even if he is a relative.

That in itself gives me plenty of reasons to vote against BO.
http://divinedem.blogspot.com Mary Ellen

Ginaswo, don’t forget the word “bitter”, we’re all “bitter” because Hillary didn’t win. Before I closed down my blog, one of my blogger’s called me “bitter”, five times in two paragraphs. He wanted to know what Obama did to me “personally” to make me so “bitter”. He forgot to add that I was clinging to my guns an and religion. Really, the Obamabots are a bunch of psychopaths. Bitter psychopaths.
bella

Went to a party Sat night here in Md. An awful lot of talk about PUMA.Was proud to tell everyone I was a member. Several men along with their wives will be joining. This is not just a women thing it is an American thing.Go PUMA
cassie

when the comments on certain sites got so offensive and over the top, we screamed.

the imitation of them and their tactics and mirroring them not only undermines the PUMA mission but many are nothing but hateful rants – and how many are Omababot trolls just trying to disrupt and we are feeding them.

instead, why not keep the message positive – instead of LAUGHING if Obama looses, shed a tear for what could have been – for missed opportunities and then sham that was scripted to get us there.

don’t become them … it is them who we fight. We do ourselves a grave disservice to use the same tactics we supposedly reject and deplore and hated when used against our candidate.

Don’t vent. Don’t react. ACT.

Hillary continues to rise … each and every roadblock that has been thrown in her path, she did not go screaming and kicking to the woodshed, she did not conceed to their demands until she had come to the realization that the deck was so stacked – what a shock that must have been. Admirable but we are not in the same spot and not beholden to nod and bow to the power elite. But we too, in order to succeed must not act like the Obamabots who have vaccinated themselves with GOP hate and use any and every Atwater/Rovian tactic to infect and inflame us – no matter what culture war they choose as a weapon: by race, by religion, by age or generations, gender, class, or educational level.

Alinsky is alive and well – and who uses it better than one who has profited from it, taught it and lives it. You win by dividing … Hillary merely interviewed him, wrote her thesis on him … Obama lived him and continues to live him.

Obama will go down in history as the First “black” nominee (did anyone notice when Hillary was the FIRST woman to win a primary in a national election?) but will it be remembered that he stomped on and rolled over not one but two women, Alice Palmer and Hillary to capture his exhaulted place? He even had to denegrate his own grandmother who raised him when his own mother didn’t.

On his journey to find his own identity that is sorely lacking and as he continues to stuggle with the struggle to find hmself and resolve the early tramas and injustice, until he can meld his “halves” and know who he is rather than filling an empty shell with uwhat everyone wants him to be or sees him as, he will be doing a very sad kibuki dance. Someday he may realize the antipathy he holds toward the very women who were his mentors, not only in his personal life but his political one, and and be able look at the narrative that was his life in an open and honest manner, instead of writing it filled with “composite characters,” half truths and pure fiction and deluding himself that that is who he is or what he believes in. He cannot offer but vague proposals and solutions since he has no idea what his own are; he cannot take a principled stand, because he has no principles of his own but continues to absorb whatever is necessary to maintain his own narcissistic ego and shakey self-worth that must pander to, patronize to give it any creditbility or validity. Even the “we are the ones we have waited for” is not Obama but a woman words spoken years ago yet he cannot credit her.

Certainly there are other fictional characters that we know – there are many including our current President. Look beyond the smoke and mirrors, the myth, the script written for him and you see what is there, a sad empty shell that some fill with their hopes, dreams and wishes … they are vicariously living their hopes, goals and dreams thru him instead of chasing them on their own – there is a huge disconnect as they watch the movie, or the teevee screen or even detached from themselves at a computer all brought to you packaged neatly, branded and marketed. Just think how successful that hope and unity script was for GWB and how it was lifted right out of the fairy tale that is him.

But what strikes me as most applicable to what is HERE and NOW are the Lost Boys and Peter Pan … and we need to keep clapping, louder and louder, to keep Tinkerbell alive … just as Pan told us to do …
WE have to believe …

but not in the tearing down of what is (altho disposing of toxic waste is a good thing but NIMBY) but of building up and looking forward. It must be the positive that unifies us – the common goals, the hopes and not the negative. We deserve better and are better!
maniaco

haven’t had a bumper sticker since McG. in’72

now it’s ’08 & i’m ready for big-time rear window PUMA emblem with the full title spelled out so everyone understands. should be able to spot it from a block away here in SoCal.

maybe a smaller “no more empty suits” on the bumper
HankinPA

Get over what?? Does “getting over” Hillary not being the nominee yet really have anything to do with the fact that Obama is inexperienced and a media creation instead of the real deal? I dont think so!!! If he were the real deal, he would be trouncing dear old John McCain and we would be united. Instead, he is a media creation with little to say really!

How many policy speaches has he given??

UH — only when copying Hillary if I remember!!

BTW — Rendell REALLY stuck his neck out for Hillary here in PA and nationally. He did EVERYTHING possible to get her elected. He is a good man, and he, as all politicians who are dems, will support Obama. Please keep in mind his unswerving support for Hillary!!

Oh — Male, Puma 48

Ani

YEs — I know Rendell has bene a good friend to Hillary — and he keeps tattling on Obama’s b.s.

I think this HOUND thing was also an inside joke — as someone else pointed out in another threat — you might as well have named it DUFUS.

hootnannie

You have to wonder about the mindset of a candidate who would support the mistreatment of women in order to attempt bringing them into line. Even after WWII, when all the Rosie the Riveters were told to go back home so returning servicemen could have their jobs, these women weren’t denigrated. Homemaking was held to be a noble profession. Women were thanked for their commitment to the war effort, though, in the end, rampant sexism was definitely at play. If the Obamaniacs had been in charge of sending these women home, however, I assume they would have been called misogynistic names and tossed bodily from the factories. It’s been half a century and more since WWII, women’s lib is a foregone conclusion and even old hat, and yet the BO camp expects Hillary’s female supporters to react like women with abused-wife syndrome. Maybe these strategists are trying to pander to working-class men, assuming they are frustrated with uppity women. The Dems are willing, possibly, to write off a large chunk of females to try to get this crucial male vote, painting Pumas as dried-up, frustrated old cougars, who, if they can’t be lured by this nice-looking young black man, can just be written off as racist man-haters after all. It just never occurs to them that there’s a gentlemanly old guy waiting in the wings, does it?
Marie

Get over it?
I wonder if those Obama people said “Get over it!” when Bush stole the presidency from Al Gore.
Aren’t those (Daily Kos, etc) the same people who firmly refused to “get over it”?
Their hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
birdie

ginaswo! BOOYAH BABY! i was just catching up and say this. fantastic.
tillthen

As a disappointed and defecting, 72 year-old Republican, I am unnerved by the maneuvers of the Republican party to engineer Obama as the candidate, knowing they can easily defeat him readily. It is off-putting to say the least that they are holding back enough garbage to sink a Saint.

Fearful that the fraud, Obama, could come so close to POTUS, I would feel so much more secure as a citizen if Hillary were the nominee and thus eliminating that possibility completely; and, in fact, although I have never been a Hillary fan I would have no problem uttering the words, “She is my President.”

Whereas with Obama, I would feel such desperation and loss for my country.

Lucinda

I’m married to a Republican who feels the same way you do. In fact, he would’ve voted for Hillary over McCain, because (these are his words) “I believe she’d kick some a** in the Middle East if she had to.” On the other hand, he’s afraid that Obama will rollover and let the terrorists screw us. (Again, his words—not mine.) So even though McCain wasn’t his first choice, he will vote for him as will most Republicans when it comes down to it.

bmc

Undercover Black Man and the rest of the HOUNDS are down to their final arguments:

Vote for Obama because he’s the *lesser of two evils.*

Or

Vote for Obama because you should *support the Democratic Party.*

Or

Women should vote for Obama because McCain divorced his first wife and married Cindy McCain for her money.

Or the most offensive argument of all: Vote for Barack Obama because he’s black.

I am contemptuous of all of those reasons.

Those arguments are the worst, the weakest arguments of all, because they presume [for the most part] “male privilege.” Secondly, they do not answer the points PUMAs have made from the very beginning: Thirdly, they actually highlight Obama’s significant weaknesses whenever and wherever they are used to bully me to vote for Obama. When I hear them, I am more determined to oppose Barack Obama.

Barack Obama is a liar. The proof is extensive. He lied about his plan for Iraq, lied about his support for universal health care, lied about NAFTA, lied about FISA, lied about his position on the 2nd Amendment.

Why should we trust him to lead the Democratic Party in the first place? This party has selected the weakest Democrat to represent them.

The Democratic Party fixed the primary nominating process. Why should we support a party that installed a nominee against the wishes of a majority of Democratic Primary voters?

Barack Obama has no experience, no qualifications, no legislative history, no foreign policy expertise, no economic expertise, and has repeatedly invoked Republican talking points to pander to voters. Why should anyone who is a progressive support a candidate who thinks Reagan was more significant than Bill Clinton?

Character issues. Barack Obama has consistenly revealed that his sole fundamental driving motivation is achieving the office of the Presidency. He’s not driven by dedication to public service, by a sincere agenda of helping change our political system, or by a devotion to an agenda of universal health care, ending the Iraq War, or taking lobbyist money out of politics. He’s never been able to devote himself to a job; he’s been too busy moving up the ladder of achievement. It’s always been all about Barack.

A singular emotional moment of danger for Obama: Once you’re at the top of the ladder, and you don’t know why you climbed it, you’re forced with figuring out what to do to justify why you climbed it in the first place.

Obama has described himself as being a “restless” man. Once he’s in the Oval Office, that “restless” nature, the inexperience, the immaturity, the lack of dedication to something greater than himself, is dangerous in the extreme.

kenoshaMarge

Actually I see Obama as the “evil of two lessers.”

Can’t remember who I stole that line from. Maybe myiq2Xu over at the confluence. Good enough to steal anyway.
jangles

Suggestion: Obama does have experience; all of that experience speaks to incompetence, poor judgement and a tremendous failure to follow up on policy ideas with the oversight essential to accountability and results. His history in Illinois is not opaque. His housing initiatives produced huge losses and ripoffs, miserable living conditions that resulted in at least one death. His education initiatives produced no improvements in student learning despite spending more than a $100,000,000.00 in some of the lowest performing schools in the US. His political associations are fraught with radical characters on the fringe of American thinking. Obama’s success has all been in running for office, getting elected and raising money to run for more office. He is the quintessential American political idol—lots of buzz, lots of music, lots of noise, full of platitudes and sound bites, signifying nothing.
Sore losers

Wow, you need to look out for that Bosnian sniper fire. Queen Clinton was caught lying about this on FOUR separate occasions. This woman has proven she will stop at absolutely nothing to get her way. The Clintons are professional liars. David Geffen said himself, that he has yet to see people lie with the ease that they do. God you people need to stop drinking the kool-aid seriously, and quit believing the lies this woman has fed you. She has been riding on the coattails of Bill for years now. Do you think she would be senator without being married to a president for 8 years? She ran because she thought she was entitled and because of her own personal aspirations. $109 million in 8 years, yeah that sounds real working class, yeah riiighhhttt.

abycat

Ginaswo – you go girl! I love it. The more they try to marginalize us, the greater our resolve to not fall in like good little girls (and boys).

Thank you for your passion and kick ass commentary.
Ani

Ginaswo, nicely done. You tell ‘em.

I wonder how long it will take for any of these boobs to wake up.

Thank you for doing a great job getting the message out. The sucking sound you hear is the MSM and DNC trying to figure out how to further marginalize and insult us publicly — while privately, they are all chewing on a collective valium or two.

How’s that taste, Howie??
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

is the site under attack again?

Hope Floats

The usual suspects. “UKDem” and “UBM.”

Denise

If Obama couldn’t run a small area in Chicago for which he should be held accountable for how can we trust him with our country.

If you’re out of touch with your neighborhood and ignore phone calls with pleas for help how can you be in touch with the US.

That 3 year old boy should not have died but Obama stood by and did nothing but ignore what was in front of his face daily. How could Obama do that? He had the power to correct the wrong doing and he did nothing. Now the media is doing nothing, making no one accountable.

How can Obama attack someones war record when he doesn’t acknowledge his own faults?

A boy is dead and Obama’s constituents are living in filth in front of his eyes. That picture should be worth a trillion words but I don’t see much of it in the paper.

Zee

This again reminds me of Bush.

Bush made Texas the most polluted in the nation….and Texas was dead last in care for women and children.

I remember thinking…what? Do people want Bush to do for the US what he did to TEXAS?

And now…Obama’s constiuents….left to freeze in Chicago winters in order for his cronies to profit and kick back to Obama and the Mrs. when it came time for them to buy a mansion.

So, we want Obama to do for the US what he did for Chicago?

nhkat

I would always support Hillary, but I can’t for the life of me find a way to hold my nose and support Obama. It hasn’t got a damn thing to do with race, but it has plenty to do with his judgment, his flip flopping on campaign finance (amongst other things), and mostly because of his attitude. Didn’t anyone tell him that flipping off and brushing off a more qualified candidate than yourself makes you look like an idiot? By saying that he could win OUR votes, but Hillary couldn’t win his voters is laughable. I have news for Obama, there are thousands that will vote for HER, but never for him. It is not due to his race, but due to his lack of experience, his questionable friends (that he NEVER knew were like that!???), and his crappy treatment of the candidate who would be most qualified and best suited to be President. The Unity meeting (in my state of NH), was disgusting, and only strengthens my resolve to vote against him in the fall. I have been insulted on line by his followers, and feel insulted for Hillary having to go make pretty speeches for that jerk just to make the party that screwed her happy. This whole Primary season has been an absolute farce. I have changed to Independent, I will vote McCain in the General Election, and against any Dem down stream who treated Hillary like crap.
Judy A.

Since all we are is a bunch of uneducated poor white women who support Hillary (or do no support OBummer), they expect us to be the type of women who get beat up but won’t leave their husband. So they probably think we won’t leave the party no matter how much they beat us up.

We don’t just brush things off our shoulders like OBummer does.

We like Hillary becaues she is a fighter. We have had people like Bill Maher talk about how the democrats do nothing but sit idly by and how the democrats need to get tough and fight back. We have a candidate like Hillary who does not give up, and everyone says she ran such a nasty campaign. How can they call that nasty? Hillary is the fighter I have been dreaming of having for a president.

They are trying to strong arm Bill Clinton and all of us into endorsing & supporting OBummer. Last I checked, this is America, not Zimbabwe. I’m not going to vote for a Democrat just to keep a Republican out of office. Up until a couple of months ago, I did hold that belief. But I’d rather vote for Bob Barr than OBummer. The democrats were elected in 2006 – including prescious OBummer – to change this nation. What has he done since he’s been in office? He’s been running for another office and not voting, or voting in line with Bush. He acts like he voted against the war, when we all know he wasn’t in the Senate then. I did hear an Obama supporter on Fox say that he “voted against the war”, and no one called him on it. People act like he’s a prophet or something. If he’s so against this war and think he is better than anyone who voted for it, then he shouldn’t be accepting endorsements from people who voted for it – like Kennedy & Kerry, etc…

When OBummer made the change comment about Clinton in Nevada, and people weren’t as outraged as I was…and MSM wasn’t blasting OBummer about it, I was like “When were we supposed to start hating Bill Clinton? I never got that memo!!”

It’s proof the MSM is protecting OBummer. When John Kerry ran for president, they splattered all over the tv and newspapers all the swiftboat ads, the swiftboat people, etc… That’s all I saw. They won’t even TOUCH the birth certificate fiasco. I can’t stand watching Mika Breznski orgasm over OBummer. My mother actually heard her say with glee that “Obama will be known as the person who brought down the Clinton’s”.

Who thinks Wesley Clark is just talking about McCain’s lack of experience, so we will remember that OBummer has none? I sure hope that’s what he is up to.

jbjd

I am generally not a ‘conspiracy theorist’ but, I have to admit, the thought that General Clark was surreptitiously sowing seeds of discontent did cross my mind… And I think Mr. Clark’s words might not have aroused my suspicion but for Governor Rendell’s seemingly sudden turnaround…
lunchbucket_jane

The msm’s behavior and continuing bias is mind-boggling.

Clark’s comments are mind-boggling because he has no conclusion to that statement, like ‘look at my candidate and how great he is, blahblah’ It’s kind of like he couldnt think of anything to say, but clearly was asked to say something.

ame

“Get over it.” That’s the best the Democratic party can come up with? That’s pretty lame. It just goes to show that the party really does not relate to the average voter.

There were already signs that the party took the voters for granted. What did we get with the 2006 Democratic win? IMO, not much.
soupcity

Great job Ginaswo. My sentiments exactly!!

BOOYAH!!
http://ascrivenerslament.blogspot.com/ Delilah

As I wrote on my blog today…

Women (and enlightened, self-secure men) have more important issues to deal with every cotton-pickin’ day than jumping onto the Unity Pony Express and singing Kumbaya, damn it.

“As long as discrimination and inequities remain so commonplace everywhere in the world, as long as girls and women are valued less, fed less, fed last, overworked, underpaid, not schooled, subjected to violence in and outside their homes — the potential of the human family to create a peaceful, prosperous world will not be realized.”
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 1995

Truly heavy sigh.
Tuppence 411

On November 5, 2008, the tables will be turned. PUMAs will be the one saying “Get over it”! It will be especially sweet if Nobama wins the popular vote but loses the electorial college. Ahhh Sweet Karma!

lunchbucket_jane

On November 5th, Barack will have to turn to Michelle and say, Well Sweetie, we didnt win, get over it!

TeakWoodKite

Ginaswo;

Great read!! Attitude? who me? The pen is your friend in the voting booth.
Sassy

Over it !
YEP !
“Over and out” of a party of back-stabbing, sexist wind-bags !
Vote McCain !

lunchbucket_jane

This is the most accurate description Ive heard yet!

margarita

“Get over it” is dismissive and arrogant and they think it’s a GOOD thing to say?

Just shows to go how insane this primary and post-primary season has been and it’s just not good for America. There’s no way in hell that I’ll vote for an unqualified, untrustworthy and bigoted candidate and I don’t give a rat’s ass who’s politically supporting them.

Country first.

Thanks, Ginaswo…good to see you.
http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com FloridaDem

Some go beyond ‘Get over it’. There are members of message boards who have instead, used F’k ‘m as their signatures and standard response to anyone who doesn’t support their messiah. They’re so certain he’ll be elected in spite of us, the Republicans and the independents that they feel very comfortable telling us that we’re less than important.

See, that’s what spurs many of us on. That dismissal, that constant accusation of racism, that constant ‘hate’ thrown our way – that is what will see the end of their great dream. Their hero will not be elected if I have anything to say or do with it. I’ll work against him until election day.

As Margarita said, There’s no way in hell I’ll vote for an unqualified, untrustworthy, bigoted candidate.

And thanks ginaswo!

Sore losers

I can’t begin to discuss what’s wrong with Florida but you have verified my suspicions. I would imagine most of you had no real intentions of voting for Queen Clinton had she been the nominee and went against McCain. She would have lost anyway. McCain would stand back, point at her and say,”Do you realize this is Hilary Clinton?” and trounce her in the general election. A bunch of sad, bitter, working class twits. Racism does not have to have come in white hoods. It’s behind closed doors in message boards such as this. Just stay at home, by all means, don’t waste your vote. Michigan and clearly Florida were too retarded to abide by the rules, now they are being punished. Any idiot can understand that concept but clearly you all are too thick to comprehend this.Morons.

yttik

Good post, Ginaswo. It even goes beyond, “get over it.” It seems like people now want you to sing Obama’s praises, bash Hillary, and apologize for even thinking she should run against him.

Maya Angelou’s poem comes to mind:

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don’t you take it awful hard
‘Cause I laugh like I’ve got gold mines
Diggin’ in my own back yard.
jangles

They do not get it. They will never get it. And the “it” they don’t get is that those of us who have this deep, deep anger about the primary just flat out see it as a rip off, a big cheat—as much or more of the politics we do not like than any smoke filled back room and all to promote a candidate who is so deeply flawed and ill-prepared. Somewhere I hope there is a journalist of the highest caliber who may be able to write the truth and the history of what we have been witnessing. I am certain of one thing, there is so much we do not know that is as bad or worse than what we do know and I hope history eventually tells this story.

Ginaswo: So glad to see you posting here. I enjoyed your comments so much over at TM and you are one of the absentees that make that site so sad now, along with HLF and so many others.

elise

There will be many books written trying to explain, excuse, exculpate, but there will be at least one objective indictment of the DNC and Obama’s campaign. This has been too important not to see the light of day. It is too important to allow Hillary’s name scrubbed from the ballot as if trying to erase the evidence and avoid confrontation. This must not be allowed to happen. If there is anyone out there who wants the Democratic Party to represent them again, it is imperative to take a stand at convention. Otherwise, it has become something I will never want to be a part of and it breaks my heart.

lunchbucket_jane

elise, I hear you and I wish I could go, but dont have the means. You are breaking my heart too by saying what I feel also.

jbjd

My black teenage son is a PUMA! I asked him to summarize why he supports Hillary Clinton instead of Barack Obama. He said, and I quote: “Because she doesn’t give people the finger.”

Juju

You did a fine job raising him to be respectful to others! *applauds* If only the Obamabots were raised the same way, they wouldn’t be so vile in defense of their Messiah.

Juju

They can say it a million times. This woman of color won’t “get over it.”
McCain 08
phil

male puma: 36, chicago. go fuck yourself obama.
sisterrosetta

(June 30, 2008) Delaware Newspaper Doing Damage Control For Delaware AG? (Larry Sinclair)

There are always at least two sides to every story.

Delaware Newspaper Doing Damage Control For Delaware AG?

Posted by Larry Sinclair on Sunday, June 29, 2008

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/delaware-newspaper-doing-damage-control-for-delaware-ag/

In addition, I never paid for any stay at the Rodeway Inn with any Money Orders for one day much less for Three Weeks.

Also, I was released on $5000 unsecured bond on Monday, June 23, 2008 after appearing before the New Castle County Superior Court.

Read the whole thing.
Grace

About Larry Sinclair, I believe that he is being veracious, he really believes what he says happened with Obama. However, I wonder whether it can be a case of mistaken identity, that what he says happened is true but the person in question wasn’t Obama but somebody who looked like him. Larry was supposedly under the influence of coke when he met who he believes was Obama. Could that may have clouded Larry’s judgment or memory at the time?

Furthermore, if the person in question was really Obama, perhaps he doesn’t remember Larry either, because there were many other “Larry’s” in his double bisexual life. Just wondering…and not to discredit Larry Sinclair’s testimony.
JP49

To Kelly above, you say you feel like an unpaid whore. I kinda giggled at that. Because I guess its true. But I like to think that I’m being a whore for America because my country is first in my book and if it needs me to be a whore then I guess I’ll do it and vote for Senator McCain. John McCain is a patriot and a moderate republican. I don’t think we’ll see him taking advantage of America. I think his love for America will shine through in the legislation and actions he will take as our next president. I may not agree with everything but he is a patriot. Obama is a Muslim and I don’t care how many times anyone tells me differently. He’s a liar, a manipulator and will do whatever it takes to get elected. I will never get over the things he said about Hillary and Bill (along with his campaign)and his flipping Hillary the finger. His associates past and present tell everyone who he really is. His wife is a beast. The democratic party is dead. Pelosi and Dean et al did that for us. Don’t forget Soros. We need to find out his holdings and boycott. You can only get to Soros through his pocketbook. I read in the Denver Post that they are putting chicken wire around areas for demonstrators at the convention. Unlike Obama supporters, Hillary supporters are not armed and dangerous. We are smart intellectuals and know bullshit when we hear it. No Obama on any ticket ever. If is isn’t Hillary then its McCain.

UKforDems

Comment by JP49 | 2008-06-30 16:58:53

To Kelly above, you say you feel like an unpaid whore. I kinda giggled at that. Because I guess its true. But I like to think that I’m being a whore for America because my country is first in my book and if it needs me to be a whore then I guess I’ll do it and vote for Senator McCain. John McCain is a patriot and a moderate republican. I don’t think we’ll see him taking advantage of America. I think his love for America will shine through in the legislation and actions he will take as our next president. I may not agree with everything but he is a patriot. Obama is a Muslim and I don’t care how many times anyone tells me differently.

And that makes you nothing more than the ignorant bigot that real Democrats should stay well clear of.

Sara See

This of course, just continues to show us that under no circumstances will we, the most loyal constituency of the party (despite Brazile’s claims to the contrary), we 52% of the populace (yet still a minority), and our male compatriots for Democracy, be shown little if any respect (or consideration, or honor or gratitude for years of work for the party) not then, not now and not going forward.
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Well, I’m a woman as well, but I do not consider myself part of your 52% of the population, and I am sure I am hardly alone in this. IF you don’t like Obama, then do so but to ACT as if ALL women agree with your stance is simply absurd and totally unconvincing.

Come on folks, dislike Obama if you will, but don’t include those of us who simply don’t agree with your premise.

.

http://mbc MBC

Which of Obama’s premises do you agree with, I am curious?

Andy

Sara(doesn’t)See has no clue….

Michigander

Rev Wright and his disciples and followers (including the Obamas) should heed this advice. They need to all “get over it”. As for me personally I’ve moved on (gotten over it)and will now be voting for John McCain. Getting over it certainly doesn’t mean voting for Obama. As a lifelong Democrat I no longer trust the Democratic Party. Michigan PUMA.
lunchbucket_jane

FAct: They dont want to Unite! They want to Dominate.

Also today Hillary officially dropped more of her campaign, will pay off her staff, Bill met with BO. Im sorry Hillary, I will support you if you run in 2012 or by some miracle got the Dem nomination. But I cant support a nefarious, problem-child like Barack Obama.
I sure hope this campaign trail for BO fades out soon. I feel bad just seeing her do it. The media is still asking the same question like a large pack of drooling idiots, If HRC is telling you to support BO, then if you support her then dont you have to do that? Gosh, reason much MSM?
To answer MSM’s continuing question on the subject – Aw HELL NO! Aint gonna happen.
lunchbucket_jane

Sara See, put your tiny mind to rest, dear heart! No one is suggesting that you have to stand up and vote like a PUMA. You can blindly stumble after your annointed leader and none of us will stop you.

If you read more carefully, no one said that ALL WOMEN were PUMA’s. No, only the strongest, bravest and fair minded of us have that distinction. Now run along and go iron your hubby’s shirts.

I dont know if you snapped to the fact that this is not a pro-obama site, so if you got lost you can run along now. buh-bye, shoo!
lunchbucket_jane

Id like to say that I am sick to death of people calling us racist because we dont support Obama. It is just another tactic and I believe that people who use that when knowing that it isnt true are the worst.

I hope that McCain chooses Colin Powell as VP. Many of us wanted Powell to run for President back in 2004. There may be some who are primarily motivated to not support BO based on race, but for the majority of us, it for the reasons we’ve been outlining above.
mikeCo.

THERE ARE MORE REAL MALE SUPPORTERS OF PUMAS than REAL MEN IN THE OBAMBI LASSIES’ COLUMN!

AND THE PUMA GALS TAKE NO SHIT FROM US!

WE ROAR EQUALLY!

TRY US, OBAMBIS!

GRRRRRR

PUMAS BITE PUSHERS

PUMAS USE OBAMABOTS FOR DIGESTIVE TABLETS

PUMAS DON’T EAT ARUGULA
mary

JP49

THANKS for reminding me of that hideous xeroxed copy of a man called BARRY SOEROTO (or Barack Huseein Obama?)

The day after his pathetically inept performance in Pa.’s ABC Debate, he was feeling “periodically low” and whiny and went on stage in N.C. and did his well-orchestrated Marcel Marceau Jay-Z rapper mime act.

He dusted off and scraped off the dust and ‘excrement’ (alluding Hillary!!) off his dainty shoulders and shiny shoes and then paused, SMIRKED till his KoolAid boys adn gals got ‘clued in’ (see them in the background laughin at the expense of his female fellow senator!)–and he FLIP-OFFED her. I had to ask a Teenage pundit for this. But I was shocked at how this man who thinks he’s so cool but actually acts like a juvenile misogynist ever got this far! Are Americans this naive? Or tolerant to misogyny and toxic vicious hatred such as that shown by this despicable man?

SHAME ON BARACK!

PUMAS WILL ROAR IN NOVEMBER AND THE CRACKS ON THE DENC CEILING WILL FALL ON THEIR HEADS!

SEE THE LIGHT, ARUGULA-EATERS?
PumaGirl

THANKS TO ALL THE BEAUTIFUL MALE PUMAS!

we love you, guys! Now, let’s fight in the jungle together!

Keep the Faith. We need your strength. Together we’ll ROAR!
mike

Hey, PumaGirl,

There’s more guy-Pumas like me and my buds around than you think. Yup, we’ll keep the Faith and come November, we’ll make ya proud/
mary

WE LOVE YOU, HILL!

WE’LL ALWAYS BE HERE FOR YOU AND BILl (He’s a Puma like us anyway)

Uhhbummer: Let them Eat Arugula

Pumas: Thanks, but we’d rather chew you to bits and spit you out
mary

CASSIE,

Thank you for a wonderful read! I was thinking that Obambi should be named “Woman-Basher” or misogynist of the year. He went behind Sen. Alice Palmer (AfricanAmerican who was his mentor!) and knocked her off the ballot in Chicago with Axelrod’s help (he helpd Mayor Corruption-Daley). That was his thanks for her efforts and years of hard work for the community in south Chicago!

Then this misogynists recidivist attacks again. This time the one person worthy of the title of “President”. He stole the election in Chicago from Alice and stole the nomination from Hillary! Then he goes on stage and gives a rapper mime performance giving HIlary the finger! And he dared to say: “Periodically, she feels low and start launching her attacks!”…

He should be taken out to a woodshed in Kenya’s tenement where his cousin Sharia Law billionaire marxisst-islamist Odinga has made his fortune. It runs in the family to make millions off the backs of poor Africans! Shame on this arrogant empty suit.
So, Pumas are roarin’ while Obambi can enjoy his arugula till his colitis attack in November! Amen.