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Wheel…Of…THEOLOGY!

Once again, Obama is trying to win over Evangelical Christians, an effort he made in Kentucky with seemingly little success, considering the landslide win for Hillary Clinton there. But that is not stopping him, oh no!! According to David Brody at CBN, he has even created a group to help him with this base, especially the young folk. His group is “.”

All righty – there’s just one problem with that name, though – it is VERY close to the name of an already established wing of the Home School Legal Defense Association, a name they have had since 2003: “This is an improper invasion of our trademark and we’ve retained legal counsel to notify the Obama campaign to stop this,” HSLDA’s co-founder, chairman, and general counsel, Michael Farris, told Roll Call on Monday morning. The conservative group plans to notify the Obama campaign later today.”

Oopsie doopsie!! Once again, Obama is busted for using someone else’s work. (Hey – maybe the Home School People can use this as a “teaching moment” on why it is important to do come up with your own ideas!!)

But that is not all. James Dobson, of Focus on the Family, is also weighing in on Obama, and his theology. In this article, “Dobson Accuses Obama Of ‘Distorting’ Bible,” we get a pretty good feel for how The Rev. Dobson feels about Obama. And I hasten to add, I have absolutely NO love lost for this man, but he DOES represent a fair number of American Evangelical Christians. The article reports (and all quotes below on Dobson are taken from this article): “As Barack Obama broadens his outreach to evangelical voters, one of the movement’s biggest names, James Dobson, accuses the likely Democratic presidential nominee of distorting the Bible and pushing a “fruitcake interpretation” of the Constitution.

The criticism, to be aired Tuesday on Dobson’s Focus on the Family radio program, comes shortly after an Obama aide suggested a meeting at the organization’s headquarters here, said Tom Minnery, senior vice president for government and public policy at Focus on the Family.”

Wowie zowie. “Fruitcake Interpretation” of the Constitution?? Apparently, The Rev. Dobson has not bought into Obama’s spin that he is a Constitutional scholar!! But wait, there’s more! Apparently, according to the article, Obama mentioned Dobson in a speech he made in 2006, and said: “Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?” Obama said. “Would we go with James Dobson’s or Al Sharpton’s?” referring to the civil rights leader. ”

Well, I think we know where OBAMA falls on that, or at least we can extrapolate from his twenty years at TUCC (more on that below). But it seems to me that criticizing the leader of an organization with which one then wants to join hands and sing “Kumbayah” is not the smartest idea in the world. Because James Dobson isn’t buying what Obama is selling: “Dobson took aim at examples Obama cited in asking which Biblical passages should guide public policy—chapters like Leviticus, which Obama said suggests slavery is OK and eating shellfish is an abomination, or Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, “a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application.”

Now THERE’S some biblical interpretation for you! And what does Obama have to say about that? “Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles”

Just bringing them all together, Obama is! Yep, Mr. Unity sure does have a way of doing that, doesn’t he? He wants to insert himself into this group, and thinks insulting them is the way to do it! Once again, from the article, “I think he’s deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology,” Dobson said. “… He is dragging biblical understanding through the gutter.”

C’mon, Reverend Dobson! Tell us how you really feel!! Oh, wait – he does! The article continues: “Dobson reserved some of his harshest criticism for Obama’s argument that the religiously motivated must frame debates over issues like abortion not just in their own religion’s terms but in arguments accessible to all people.

He said Obama, who supports abortion rights, is trying to govern by the “lowest common denominator of morality…”

Gee – The Reverend Dobson does not even MENTION how Obama claims to be Pro-Choice, then says about those of us who are, in his most patronizing way possible, do not understand how painful a decision abortion is. Wow, talk about insulting! How dare Obama assert such a demeaning statement! How many women has HE escorted to a family planning center through throngs of Operation Rescue people going after the woman making the hard choice?? Hearing horible things yelled at her, the taunting, the berating? Just wondering. But I digress…

The article concludes with this paragraph: “Obama recently met in Chicago with religious leaders, including conservative evangelicals. His campaign also plans thousands of “American Values House Parties,” where participants discuss Obama and religion, as well as a presence on Christian radio and blogs.”

Well, that is certanly interesting! What do you think those Conservative Evangelicals will have to say about Obama’s personal theology? The theology of Black Liberation of which we have heard so much of late? How do you think they will respond to the following quote by Professor James Cone from the NY Times article, “A Fiery Theology Under Fire, ” in which he states,
“You might say we took our Christianity from Martin and our emphasis on blackness from Malcolm…”

Oh, yeah – THAT should go over REAL well! While we are in the midst of two wars, based (erroneously in Iraq, not in Afghanistan) on retaliation against religious militants, we have a presidential candidate who for over 20 years has been a member of a church whose services are based on a theology linking Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X.

The article continues, “As a young, black and decidedly liberal theologian, James H. Cone saw his faith imperiled.

“Christianity was seen as the white man’s religion,” he said. “I wanted to say: ‘No! The Christian Gospel is not the white man’s religion. It is a religion of liberation, a religion that says God created all people to be free.’ But I realized that for black people to be free, they must first love their blackness.”

Dr. Cone, a founding father of black liberation theology, allowed himself a chuckle. “You might say we took our Christianity from Martin and our emphasis on blackness from Malcolm,” he said.”

Yes, that should really help that discussion along! How in the world could Evangelical Christians have a problem with a candidate who has supported, both by his presence and by his donations, this kind of theology? How long will it take for them to make the leap between Black Liberation Theology and its militancy with fundamentalist Islamic militancy?? I am in no way saying they are the same, mind you, just pointing out the leap many will make between the two, ESPECIALLY when Obama’s relationship with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam is fully explored. It will not take long. Heck, I did it in two sentences! James Cone made the conection to militancy in one in the NY Times article: ““Deep down in all of us is that Malcolm X who cries out in such strong language,” said Dr. Cone, who is a professor of systematic theology at Union Theological Seminary.”

The Ny Times article also makes the connection between religion and militancy: “…For a black audience, its theology spoke to the centrality of the slave and segregation experience, arguing that God had a special place in his heart for the black oppressed. These theologians held that liberation should come on earth rather than in the hereafter, and demanded that black pastors speak as prophetic militants, critiquing the nation’s white-run social structures.”

For Obama to now claim that he did not always agree with his pastor, his mentor, his confidant, rings a bit disingenuous to me. In my experience, if parishoners do not agree with the message of the minister, or the church as a whole, and TUCC certainly seems to have embraced both Black Liberation Theology AND the Nation of Islam, they do not stay. They CERTAINLY do not contribute over $20,000 in one year, either. And if they do not agree with the message of the minister, I can also guarantee, they WILL say something, especially if the relationship is one of being in the Inner Circle, as it appears Obama was. His relationship with Wright was described by HIM as being familial. That he would have sat in the pew for 20 years, given large sums of money, been in the inner circle with the Senior Minister, and disagreed with the message of the minister and church all along seems far-fetched to me. People have left churches for a lot less, I can tell you. But Obama stayed – for years, only leaving when it began to hurt him politically. It wasn’t that his THEOLOGY changed, it was that his political aspirations were facing challenges. Such integrity (that’s sarcasm, by the way).

Once again, Obama is trying to reinvent himself, this time as a more mainstream Christian so that he can engage Evangelicals, and try to pull their votes away from McCain (again, assuming the Superdelegates do not come to their senses and nominate Clinton). Once again, he underestimates the intelligence of voters, as well as their communities, their belief systems, and their moral values.

And I am not just talking about white Evangelicals or even Pentecostals. The article claims that only about 25% of Black pastors adhere to some form of Black Liberation Theology. That leaves 75% who do not. The article continues: “Bishop Harry Jackson, a Pentecostal who presides over a 3,000-member church in suburban Washington, D.C., stands at the far pole from Mr. Wright. He defines himself as ultraconservative on matters of theology and politics and allies himself with conservative Republicans. He preaches a Prosperity Gospel, which holds that God wants black Americans to experience material success without guilt. (SIDE NOTE: evidently, given The Reverend Wright’s retirement home, and Barack Obama’ shome, they, too, ascribe to the theology of Prosperity!! Ahem.)

Most black liberation theologians revile this philosophy. Still Mr. Jackson would not deny the powerful currents of liberation theology; even his congregants put their toes in those waters from time to time.

“Most black church members want to see their ministers involved in defending the race and improving civil rights,” Mr. Jackson said. “The anger and bitterness that bleeds through in Reverend Wright’s comments are something that many blacks can sympathize with, even if they don’t want to hear it in the pulpit.” Black liberation theology may have taken modern flower in the 1960s, but its roots (no less than those of more conservative black theologies) extend deep into America’s historical cellar and its legacy of slavery.”

I should add that there are some positives to Liberation Theology, both black, and other Third World theologies, especially as they operate to comfort the oppressed. That is no small thing, in my opinion. But when they are used to attack others, to denigrate, to demean, to humiliate, well, that to me does not speak for a theology that is essentially based on love, in the words of Jesus (Cor.13:13). And it does not speak well of its adherents or proponents. No, indeed.

It will be interesting to see how Obama spins as the Wheel of Theology spins. Will he continue to distance himself from his church home of 20 years as he attmepts to transform his image to a more mainstream branch of Christianity? Will his connections with Wright, Farrakhan, Meeks, McClurkin, et al, continue to find daylight and expose him for the chameleon he is? Will he (finally) get sued for using someone else’s words? Will he finally be held accountable for his participation in, and support of, a theology that is exclusive and militant, which bludgeons those who have worked hard for the very community now attacking them? One can only hope. One can only pray, that truth will out, and Obama will get his comeuppance. “Let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.” (Amos 5:24) Amen to that…

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    OT

    WASHINGTON — President Bush says the U.S. is developing penalties against the government of Zimbabwe. The move comes in response to what Bush says is the “blatant disregard” for democracy and human rights by Zimbabwe’s longtime president.

    Blatant disregard for democracy.
    Maybe he should take a look into the DNC’s version of democracy before finding fault anywhere else.

    • Lou

      Good one.
      He needs to demand they seat Fl & MI as actual and not the way they currently did it. Add more delegeates to Hillary for the cheating states like NC IN WA MI etc.

      • beebop

        Okay … let’s not forget the first beneficiary of tampering with votes in Florida. That is why what happened with Obamanation is so freaking disgusting and infuriating. Abandoning the moral high ground for an under prepared candidate? Not my idea of where I want my last stand on priciple!

  • roseeriter

    He and his campaign are running amok..again. Have there been any articles about the people behind the campaign besides Axelrod? I ask because today on Washington Journal there were some AA’s calling in RESENTING Hillary being part of the ‘unity’ coalition. THEY are RESENTING that Barack is going to help pay off Hillary’s campaign debt. THEY are saying that Bill Clinton is trying to control Obama’s campaign now. Who are these morons? I am guessing that they are part of the Black Revolution Group or republicans trying to cause even more rifts between Obama and Hillary. It’s more off the wall blatant Clinton (or whitey) Hatred and if it is the Obama campaign this should get out to all those Hillary supporters who went along on the Unity train so they’ll get off that run away train to nowhere.

    The race card by these AAs is despicable, but of course they don’t see it. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

    NOBAMA.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      That’s all they say on HuffPo, too. It’s Obama’s coalition attitude.

      They aren’t interested at all in unity. I don’t know why they are even worried about PUMA or any of us. It’s very clear that they are mad, want us out of the party entirely, and believe he can win without us.

      He spurred on the Hillary Haters. They are now entrenched.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      They should WISH that Bill Clinton would be in charge, because Barack Obama doesn’t give a small shit about them. Just ask Rezko and all those people who lived with no heat and plenty of rats right under OBama’s snooty nose. He’s using them.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Uppity….I think you nailed it.

        That’s exactly why they want Bill.

        Obama scares even them.

        He’s calculating beyond their imaginations, and they recognize it.

    • sowsear

      I’d be overjoyed to see Hillary and her “friends” get as far away from BO as possible. Everything he is associated with is corrupt. I beg her to tell him to stuff his $4600. What price honor?

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Don’t be too purist.

        He only did what Rendell did for him.

        It’s symbolic only.

        They have to pretend.

        If he didn’t pretend, we’d be blasting him to the moon!

        Now, unity noises are over. He wrote her the check. His supporters are still obnoxious. They don’t want us.

        Now, we just all move on.

        The trick here is to push the current number, which I think is solid, of 1 in 4 voters who will vote Republican higher.

        How we each go about this task is up to what your stomach can handle. *heh

        In key states, I suggest we suck it up A LOT!

        Today, Obama won the battle with Latinos. The speech McCain gave showed he’s hog-tied by his party. We all know he’s moderate on that issue and did a heck of a lot more than Obama. However, he has to win his Republican base, which is highly inflamed by illegal immigration and, frankly, wants to round them up and bus them back like in the 1950s.

        Obama took advantage.

        He won the debate.

        No question.

        Do I really think Obama is safer for Latinos?

        Shit no.

        He’s all about some nutty plan to establish a new path to citizenship.

        Gimme a break.

        But……those in swing states?

        You’re going to need to suggest ways to make this work. McCain is clearly *winking* at his own party.

        How can we get Latinos to trust him?

    • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Robbedvoter

      The entire campaign is ran on resentment against the Clintons. It’s the spit that holds most of them together. Take that away, they dissipate.
      They don’t care about McCain one way or another. The whole purpose of this candidate was to eliminate Hillary – beyond that – not much passion
      “”We give them two forms – one to change their registration now for the primary and one so they can switch back later,”BO volunteer revealing the true goals of the campaign
      http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-election/tenbedroom-house-now-home-for-obamas-volunteer-army/2008/03/20/1205602581838.html

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Bingo.

        And in implementing that strategy, the eggs he broke were the traditional Dems, the Clinton Dems, the older Dems.

        He’s not about to get us back.

        He can kiss my butt, too.

        It won’t work.

        Rely on your new coalition.

        I’m happy to not have to even send money to the DNC anymore. I can use it to pay for gas.

        Let the kids and latte sippers pay the way.

        I’m done.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Nice piece..thanks. I agree with you about the positives of Liberation theology. Catholics have a long-standing tradition of helping the downtrodden and still are very active in Sanctuary Cities, etc.

    The hate-mongering is unacceptable, and nobody could sit and listen to that, along with the anti-semitism, and not feel repelled if there was truly a shared liberal mindset.

    Obama may say he has that. He clearly does not have that.

    I find this entire outreach on religion to be repugnant. I do not want to align myself with a party that makes religion a huge issue. I do not want to see that in the Democratic Party at all.

    I loathe these discussions Obama is having. It makes me run! This has no place in political discourse.

  • Tuppence 411

    As a Catholic, liberation theology is not a new concept to me. Black liberation theology is just a clone of the larger movement of liberation theology that was born in Central and South America in the 50’s. Liberation theology starts with good intentions, but falls flat and misleads because it is not firmly rooted in solid Christian theology. Of course we all need to be concerned about the poor, suffering, and oppressed. We are commanded to love one another, as God loves us. We are called to feed the hungry , clothe the naked, care for the sick…..” that you do for the least of my brethren , you do unto Me”.

    Where liberation theology fails is it classes some people as victims and only in terms of their completely secular, socio-economic status rather than all of us as God’s children. The secular trumps the divine, the “here and now” takes center stage. Political ideology (marxism) steps in fills the spiritual void. The poor and oppressed are now merely a means to a political end as religious leaders move into the political arena instead of sheparding their flocks.

    Sound familar? Rev. Wright? Father Pfleger? They are just clones of the many that came before them in Nicargua, Columbia, etc……

  • http://www.obama-wire.com D

    News Updated
    Clinton to Obama: “Kiss My Ass”

    http://www.obama-wire.com

    • indigogrrl

      you go, big dawg…they can just fuck off in my opinion… your anger is rightfully earned.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        I do really wish Hillary would have a Tourette’s Moment and just tell him go go fuck himself and his cranky whiney wife too.

        Ah well, hopefully Bill will do it.

    • JoseyJ

      The Telegraph has been in the tank for Obama for quite awhile.

      • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Robbedvoter

        It’s a Murdoch paper, that’s why.

        • UKforDems

          Comment by JoseyJ | 2008-06-28 11:18:42

          The Telegraph has been in the tank for Obama for quite awhile.
          Reply to this comment

          Comment by Robbedvoter | 2008-06-28 12:25:47

          It’s a Murdoch paper, that’s why.

          No wonder they call you low information voters. The Telegraph is owned by the Barclay brothers.

    • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

      Now that’s beautiful.

      • roseeriter

        Yeah! Bill thinks like PUMAs!! and me.

        Kiss my ass, Obama, too!

        NOBAMA!

    • baghdadobama

      ha ha ha ……good for bill clinton, one more person with the gonads to dare speak the truth about obama. but the pundits and the corrupted dem. party will crucify him for it……nevermind that obama did play the race card on the clintons and everybody knows it. bill clinton is a private citizen and can say what he feels which just happens to be the truth. besides jfk, the best president in my lifetime, i love him !

    • nickoury

      stinky needs to “get over it” that he is not going to be President, he’s just wasting time, energy and money to prove his ineptitude at the nation’s expense. That is what’s so infuriating.

  • http://charlottefrontandcenter.com PITA

    Evangelical Christians, just his style. Just turn off you brain and sit back because you are in the Church of feel good now. The zealots backing him are sitting in the front row already. There is nothing worse than an army of unthinking devotees who can justify every action that they take.
    Do you wonder if they will drink the kool aide too, or, will they question this?

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/ Gloria

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/4fb8mw

    Part 2: Obama’s Conservative Meeting Guests–The Pastors

    Just posted today….more of the big wheels who attended Obama’s meeting with conservative/religious leaders….

    Part 1 focuses on th non-pastors….

    Keep informed!!

  • JoseyJ

    imho – you omitted the worst part of Obama’s 2006 speech that Evangelicals “haven’t been reading their Bibles.” Apparently because they haven’t been reading Obama’s BLT Bible.
    Seems dangerous and unprecedented for a presidential candidate to belittle Evangelical Christians (or any religious group) – the very people he’s trying to attract.

    NObama!

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Has Obama joined a new church since throwing the Trinty Unity Church under the bus?

    • JoseyJ

      No. He said he’d join another church after November.

      • http://deleted imustprotest

        I gotta wonder what he says to his two girls about why he left the only church they’ve ever known?

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        No, he plans to go back after November. BLT is in his blood and I don’t mean the sandwich.

    • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Robbedvoter

      Last time I heard , he was worshiping Lord Hanuman – the Golden Monkey
      http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Hanuman_idol_for_Obama/articleshow/3160730.cms

  • Mary

    I think Obama lost the conservative Christian vote (if he ever had it) after the Rev. Wright fiasco. Most people who attend church regularly were shocked at Wright”s rhetoric against white people and were equally shocked at the standing ovations and open jubilation of the crowd when Fr. Pfleger was speaking at TUCC.

    Most people who attend church regularly know they have a bond with their minister and what he is saying and for the most part agree otherwise they would leave and find somewhere they would feel comfortable

    There is not doubt in my mind at all that Obama believes what Rev Wright has been preaching and spewing these past 20 years – and his wife agrees with it too. That alone is enough for most conservative Christians not to vote for him.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      The Catholics were horrified by Wright too. And Father Phlegm isn’t helping there, either.

  • Karen

    Wowie zowie. “Fruitcake Interpretation” of the Constitution?? Apparently, The Rev. Dobson has not bought into Obama’s spin that he is a Constitutional scholar!! But wait, there’s more! Apparently, according to the article, Obama mentioned Dobson in a speech he made in 2006, and said: “Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?” Obama said. “Would we go with James Dobson’s or Al Sharpton’s?” referring to the civil rights leader. “

    Al Sharpton’s Theology

    Nation of Islam Minister Khallid Muhammad giving his infamous Kill the White Man speech in 1996. He was publically supported by the likes of Al Sharpton, Keith Ellison, Cynthia McKinney. When Khallid died in 2001, Al Sharpton rushed to his bed side and gave $10,000 to pay for his funeral. The media hides the rampant extremism of the black community.

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khallid_muhammads_speech_kill_the_white_man/

  • Tuppence 411

    On a lighter note- my grandmother could easily resolve the questions lingering over Obama being a “committed” Christian- She would demand to see his baptismal certificate and have him recite the Nicene Creed from memory. But since Obama won’t turn over a birth certificate or say the Pledge of Allegence to the flag……. I think granny can forget it.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Two self-righteous, hateful fringe people I truly do not want to know, fighting with each other. How Good. There was this book in the 70s called, “Games People Play”. One of the games was called, “Lets You and Him Fight”. That’s when you get two people you cannot abide clawing at each other. It’s a wonderful thing to behold.

    Dobson-Obama.

    Say, I think that since Comrade Obama knows all about that “painful decision,” and since he also regards having a child as a “punishment,” perhaps we could give him some real-time experience.

    I suggest he shove an automatic umbrella up his ass and then press the button.

    • roseeriter

      Ew ..like when it rains it pours…just the visual of that is well breathtaking..LOL!

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      ROTFLMAO – oh, my, good one, Uppity!

      I think that would be an AWESOME video – Dobson and Obama out-self-righteous-ing each other!! Though DObson has more experience at it, I have to give him the edge!! :-)

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      amen! :)

      Seriously, can you believe that they are debating the Bible during a campaign?

      It absolutely makes my stomach lurch. Obama has to go. That’s all there is to it.

      He has no boundaries whatsoever!

      • UKforDems

        You lot are the sick twats that brought religion in to this. It seems Rev Wright was fine when helping Hillary and Bill through the “Monica thing”.

        I see no reason to worry about the church Hillary attends, although it is a somewhat worrying church. McCain should also think very carefully about bringing up religious friends.

        Anyway, I can guess why you sick pretend Democrat fucks worry about the church Obama went to and not the religious friends of Hillary or McCain.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Yeah right…..as Obama announces his great outreach program to the evangalistic vote.

          *blech*

          Pseudo-liberals is what you guys are.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          And just for the record, I love the twat remark.

          Gosh, it’s been too long…..:)

          I’m an honorary yenta, I think. I’m not sure what that means, but I think I like it!

          I should really think about getting on Match.com. If I could talk myself out of my attitude that men are looking for a nurse with a purse, I might do it.

          Then again, this life is pretty easy. Loads easier than ….

          Well, obviously I digress.

          I just loved your twat remark.

          That’s how I know the boyz are hurt in their egos.

          They snark with sexism.

          • UKforDems

            Oh and of course the racist snarks do not count.

  • grape

    theology …from the Greek…theos + God, logia = knowledge of.
    What is Black Liberation Theology? knowledge of God of liberation? What god is that?
    Is it Christian?
    Christ’s message is based on love.
    BHO’s pastor, Wright teaches hatred of white people – hate is the opposite of love.
    BHO supported this church for 20 years.
    How can he possibly relate to Christians?
    How can Christians relate to BHO?

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      How can Christians relate to BHO?

      Oh don’t worry. He’s a christian this week out of necessity. Next week he will worship the god of acorns if it helps him pander for some votes.

    • james@

      I suppose many Christians find James Dobson’s genteel mischaracterization and persecution of gay and lesbian couples and his views about the biblically ordained place of women in society a lot more palatable than the biases of Obama’s former pastor.

      Maybe democrats shouldn’t be allowed to be Christian. We probably need to get Dodson’s opinion on that.

      Here’s what Obama said that set Dobson off and led to the “fruitcake interpretation of the Constitution” comment:

      “Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. What do I mean by this? It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, to take one example, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.”

      This is a “fruitcake interpretation”? I certainly don’t think so. The problem is that it isn’t a Dobson interpretation.

      • beebop

        I don’t disagree with you. But Obama is pandering to Dobson’s crowd. You have to expect that Dobson is going to hold Obama to the evangelical standards ….

  • grape

    correction theos = God

  • grape

    oh, i love the god of acorns!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      Oh cripes, it is a church? LOL.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Barack Obama is a man I do not want making decisions for me as a woman. He not only doesn’t understand women, he doesn’t like them. Not one bit. But that’s ok. Every woman I know doesn’t like him either.

  • Denise

    I don’t understand why congress doesn’t run the White House government the way I run mine during a recession. I got rid of most of our expenses that were luxury expenses: The cleaning lady, the lawn service, high speed internet (I now have the free basic link), I still have cable but trimmed down to the basic package, I cut our grocery shopping (although that didn’t help because milk, bread and egg prices seem to climb but I did plant a few more vegetables in our garden this year). Government needs to cut the fat right now like those bills for golf courses and museums etc……. that I can’t afford anyway. Yes it’s nice to haves but not necessary right now.

    This is the craziest economic plan I have ever seen but the media is trying to tell you how great it is. Please judge the FACT’S for yourselves. A picture sometimes is worth a thousand “just words.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zy5Y4Jl8A

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      This is because you run your house with YOUR money, which you earn. If it weren’t your money you would be more cavalier about it.

      Why should that cut costs and luxuries when it isn’t costing them a thing to get good and fat and wealthy–also on YOUR money.

  • grape

    LOL!!!
    Uppity, we could start one!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      LOL think of the logo. A duplicitous pandering guy who looks a lot like Ichabod Crane, hugging an acorn. Perhaps a saying in Latin which translates into:

      “I worship and Awesome acorn!”

      • http://deleted imustprotest

        But when it becomes politically expedient, Obama: “That’s not the Acorn I’ve known.”

        • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

          I reject that acorn!

          • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

            no no no! I DENOUNCE that acorn!

          • sowsear

            I didn’t know it was really an oak tree.

  • zerostress

    Nobody noticed that the author failed to provide the name of the organization.

    The article quoted is there for the other person that will take the time to read it.

  • tish

    he dosent want to be called a liberal now..hes moving to the right…to get the regan dems votes…the great pretender will stop at nothing to do us in…we need a good slogan about him…any ideas? 3 faces of eve? something like that? like christi said since when did we lower the bar for president to coke snortin, terriost fist bump! can you imagine him going around telling all his friends who are either in jail.. or clearly hate america all of the confidential security information when he has one of his partys! yeah rock on obamama, chicken,,

    • roseeriter

      I think Obama’s mantra is ‘sticks and stones will break my bones but WORDS will never hurt me’ the MSM should be all over this guys crap..

    • sowsear

      Or telling a group of people that “if they bring a knife to the fight, we’ll bring a gun” What a leader? (But he thinks SCOTUS made a mistake on DC gun vote.)

  • grape

    Denise,one guy’s useless museum is another guys temple of learning.

    • Denise

      I did not call it useless. What I am saying is we could cut that expense and use the money to help the poor until the recession declines.

      There are other musuems and library’s to carry those in need of brain stimulation (there is no shortage). However there is a shortage of cash flow for food.

  • grape

    Acorns United, BHO version: we all sit around holding hands chanting BHO, he can grow,BHO he can grow, pass the acorn juice, we can wait, we can wait and hope for change. Every other day he changes from a green to a tan acorn.

    • http://deleted imustprotest

      We’d better be careful here, Riverdaughter started a whole movement with her joke about starting a new party called P.U.M.A.! We may actually end up with an Acorn church!

  • grape

    An Acorn Religion Party — watch us grow, watch us grow!

  • grape

    Gropw and change, grow and change, yes, we can, yes, we can!- every day a different man!

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    Liberation Theology sounds so attractive on the surface. We value liberty and our faith in God.

    But “Liberation Theology” has it’s roots in Marxist totalitarian regimes in the Americas and Cuba. It was a strategy used to undermine the influence of the Catholic Church and Capitalist ideology.

    Liberation Theology is not a unifying faith. It is the scourge of Catholicism and Christianity, and of Capitalist Democracy.

    Pope Benedict XVI has fought the infiltration of Marxists promoting Liberation Theology throughout the Americas and Caribbean. In “Liberation Theology” (2007) he wrote:”…where the Marxist ideology of liberation had been consistently applied, a total lack of freedom had developed, whose horrors were now laid bare before the eyes of the entire world. Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic.”

    Liberation Theology is connected with the Marxist ideology, the practice of class-struggle, which inevitably leads to a totalitarian society.

    The Obot thugs are not much different in values and ideology than the security squads that round up political dissenters in places like Cuba, China, Venezuela, the former Soviet Union, and now Russia.

    That is the path we are going down with Obama, and all the thugs he brings along. James Cone, Reverend Wright, William Ayers, and the NeoMarxist Zbigniew Brzezinski.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I don’t personally mind that connection. I’m sympathetic and find the Catholic Church in many countries to be honorable and even admirable. I even like my Sanctuary Cities in CA and the churches that offer direct help.

      But I am opposed to hate-mongering from the pulpit.

      That is what offended me about Trinity and Pfledger and still does.

      What offends me about Obama’s reach-out to evangalists is that he is introducing religious ideas into political discourse.

      We can intersect on issues that have a moral basis.

      But there is no need to become embroiled as a party into religious discussions.

      I’m old-style Democrat. Politics and religion should remain separate. We interfere ONLY when it’s cult behavior or against state laws, such as the polygamy issue, sanctuary churches that violate the law, etc.

      Otherwise, I find it personally distatesful to discuss any candidate’s religious persuasion. This is a sound principle of our country which I completely respect.

      I think we should knock off mixing it up and blurring the boundaries, or the result will be divisive.

      Of course, that’s Obama’s MO.

      He creates division.

      • http://deleted imustprotest

        What happened to the story that the IRS was investigating the Trinity Church’s tax exemption status due to the “politicking” at the pulpit?

        • sowsear

          Yeah sure, like they investigate anything that matters and nothing ever comes it. Why didn’t they investigate that BO advisor who hired the temps at the State Dept.(passport intrusions)
          Why isn’t the gov. looking into whether or not BO was born in the US or whether he’s given up his dual citizenship in Kenya?

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          The IRS will lose that one. The AA church in our country is the center of community. There is, naturally, a blending of church/state/politics.

          This isn’t White America.

          However, it’s well established.

          There’s not tax implications. Hillary spoke at AA churches. Anyone searching for that vote does.

          However….bit however…

          We’re talking about a unique branch that is hate-mongering.

          But that doesn’t trigger tax issues.

          It should trigger repugance.

      • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

        I do not get what you are saying.

        You say you do not mind the connection of “Liberation Theology” with Catholicism, yet you are opposed to hate-mongering from the pulpit, as seen in TUCC.

        “Hate Mongering” is what Liberation Theolgy brings to the alter of the church.

        You want politics and religion to be separate, and that is exactly what the Pope is saying. “Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic.”

        That is not a ringing endorsement for politics or Liberation Theology to be welcome in the church.

        • Tuppence 411

          What really offends me AnninCa is the opposite.
          Obama and his “advisors” are introducing politics into religion.

          • Tuppence 411

            I should expand on my comment. This country has as one of its founding principals the separation of Church and State. Of course there is religious dialog in the public square. Always has been. Always will be. The majority of us easily identify when we see religion being interjected into politics. ( Pat Robinson, John Hagee and the likes) AND we have firewalls in our institutions to protect against it.

            The opposite can not be said. Most of us do not recognize easily when politics are being injected into religion. (Okay- Okay Rev. Al Sharpton excluded, he’s obvious but I don’t think anyone turns to Al for spiritual advise on how to get into heaven.) We are not in tuned to it. We don’t have safeguards to protect against it. But it is just as insidious.

            I don’t have to espouse marxist ideology to care for the poor and oppressed. And I sure as heck don’t want to get spiritual guidance from a politician like Nobama who has renamed the Gospel of Life the Gospel of Social Justice.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Jonny…Catholics are protecting victims of the State all around, including, the US with illegal immigrants.

          I am simply saying I respect that perspective. I don’t agree, and I’m fairly sure a lot of Latinos agree with me.

          But whatever….

          I do respect the radical Catholic element.

          I don’t respect it when it’s turned on people like Hllary Clinton.

          At that point, the priest has jumped the shark.

          Clearly.

          He hurts the true radicals who are putting their very lives on the line for people.

          That guy is nothing more than a greedy pig using his position to make sure he’s rich by the end of his gig.

          He’s trash.

          Hope that helps.

          • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

            Nope it does not. Radical marxists are dangerous in the Church or in the political arena.

            The Catholic Church always helps those in need. It is a sanctuary. That is a DIVINE virtue, not a Radical MARXIST virtue.

            The Radiacal Marxists are trying to overtake the Catholic Church with Liberation Theology. Where they have been successful, people have suffered. In San Salvadore, Honduras, Venezuela, and Cuba.

            Make no mistake, the Catholic Church’s generosity is not RADICAL. The Marxists who want to impose their will ARE.

            • http://deleted AnninCa

              OK…I get it.

  • zerostress

    testing 1,2,3

  • America OUR land

    Too bad Obama can’t refrain from doing the exact opposite he claims to embrace. If he thinks the Evangelicals are embracing him he definetly assures himself of a huge surprise in November. Many African American ministers have met with Obama,but the ministers in the Dallas Ft.Worth area where I live do not embrace Obama. As a matter of fact one of the biggest names TD Jakes does not embrace Obama and his beliefs.

    Maybe Barky will continue fooling himself into defeat come November….Judeo Christian Beliefs do not condone or accept slavery and never has. Judeo Christian beliefs are pray for your enemies and them that spitefully use you. Where as Obama’s church and beliefs are blame the Goverment for trying to give African America’s AIDS and blame White America for anything they can think of to blame on the whites.

    It’s sad religion has to be thrown in the Policital area to appease people.

    We need answers to better education,ecomony and better laws to give the law breakers less breaks….

    I must thank the Supreme court for having enough backbone to uphold our right to bear arms.

  • eleana

    “I Don’t Think My Church Is Actually Particularly Controversial,” said Obama.

    Black Liberation Theology as it has expressed itself in the African-American community seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle under the daily burden of white oppression and threatened daily by tentacles of white power.Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal.

    Obama says he is a “committed” Christian. Is that as in Trinity United Church of Christ is “committed” to a 10-point Vision:
    1.A congregation committed to ADORATION.
    2.A congregation preaching SALVATION.
    3.A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
    4.A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
    5.A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
    6.A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
    7.A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
    8.A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
    9.A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
    10.A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfRb87dtY4 Best Friends

  • Just Say NoFraud, NObama

    Once again, Obama wants to be all things to all people. His supporters imagine his words to mean what they want to believe and he leaves enough wiggle room to allow that to be accomplished. Obama is simply a Rorschach test. Read the myriad explanations of his supporters encompassing the meaning of a single subject and you will find a wide-range of diverse opinions while each writer thinks they have unlocked the key to Obama’s intended meaning.

    Obama now attempts to continue this game-plan while courting Christian conservatives, quoting (misquoting and parsing) the Bible in his appeal and hoping that evangelicals have been as soundly asleep in their faiths as he has been for the past 20 years. Don’t bank on it, Obama.

    Evangelicals are apathetic to the prospect of either a McCain or Obama presidency and will probably not even show up at the polls this November–that is, unless Obama and/or his supporters highten their anger so much they will vote for McCain to spite him.

    I was once someone who would have pulled the lever for Obama until Hillary won me over with her tenacity, endurance and spirit. Obama has since been exposed for the fraud that he is and I’m hoping the majority of voters in this nation have not fallen under his grand illusion.

    Ever wonder about the frequent fainting spells at Obama’s rallies? Me too–until I saw this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySlhGY6Zyo&feature=related
    I may vote this year after all.

  • Teakwood

    Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy; Thank you!

    Does “fruitcake” mean Dobson is using a derogatory word to infer BO is gay?

    I am saddened to see such militant astroturfing applied to the faith community. BO is an immoral man, how is his karma it to “re-invented”? “Paying it forward” is not a concept he understands.

    So I asked this God a question
    and by way of firm reply,
    He said – I’m not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
    So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
    before I’m through I’d like to say my prayers

    Jethro Tull;Wind Up

    • mahaska

      fruitcake means nutty

  • shocked

    Dobson’s theology is more extreme and militant than Wright’s, but they’re not far off.

    • Tuppence 411

      Dobson interjects religion into politics.
      Wright interjects politics into religion.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/ Gloria

    RE: Kiss My Ass….

    Joe Klein, the author of Primary Colours, a fictionalised account of Mr Clinton’s 1992 election, who has known the former president for 20 years, said he also heard that he was “very, very bitter”, from people who have spoken with him.

    “It’s time for him to get over it or go off and do his charitable work. He knows the rules of the road. What’s going on now is kind of strange. I think his behaviour is really, really shocking.”

    ****

    So,nothing Obama has pulled is “really, really shocking?” And what the hell is so shocking about Bill being pissed at the way Obama spoke about him vs. Bush?? Or turning Bill into a racist??

    Joe Klein can kiss MY ass…

  • terri

    We have evangelicals in our family. They are for Hillary.

  • candymarl

    These same folks that Obama’s courting are against Roe v Wade and LGBT rights. Where are the Obama supporters worrying about these things now?

    PS. Not all evangelicals are the same. There are liberal evangelicals. From Dobson’s remarks I would guess that these are not the evangelicals he’s shooting for.

  • http://mmb silverfox

    uh-oh….

    separation of church and state…also, under the proverbial bus. getting busy, and now, pretty interesting, under there.

    it’s an egoistic fool who hasn’t yet learned that God is pretty much beyond human imagining, and that politics is a man made, fallible, and mostly unholy, contraption . as Mr Walt Disney says in his cartoon world…,” put ‘em together and what ‘ave you got?…bibetty-bobbity-BOO”.

    one is not fooled by the religious histrionics of the oblahblah, nor frightened by the latest disney psych-op from the obamacan dems.

    church and state will continue to be separate.

    Democracy will be upheld.

    barack obama will not be POTUS.

    postscript: HH The Dalai Lama: “Kindness is my religion”

  • james

    Barack Obama:

    “And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson’s, or Al Sharpton’s? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is okay and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount — a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application?”

    “We all know the story of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham is ordered by God to offer up his only son, and without argument, he takes Isaac to the mountaintop, binds him to an altar, and raises his knife, prepared to act as God has commanded.

    “Of course, in the end God sends down an angel to intercede at the very last minute, and Abraham passes God’s test of devotion.

    “But it’s fair to say that if any of us leaving this church saw Abraham on a roof of a building raising his knife, we would, at the very least, call the police and expect the Department of Children and Family Services to take Isaac away from Abraham. We would do so because we do not hear what Abraham hears, do not see what Abraham sees, true as those experiences may be. So the best we can do is act in accordance with those things that we all see, and that we all hear, be it common laws or basic reason.”

    Is that Obama pandering to religion? Or is that his explanation and advocacy of a secular approach to government, directed at a religious audience? I guess everybody will have to form their own opinion.

    His observation about the Sermon on the Mount is interesting. He recognizes that the true philosophy behind Christianity–as put forth by Christ Himself–is one of the most radical political philosophies going.

    The right has reconfigured their version of Christianity to suit their own political philosophy. On the far right, politics and their reconfigured religion are the same point on the compass.

    True Christianity places far more emphasis on social justice than upon the accumulation of enormous wealth and power. An honest, thoughtful reading of the actual words of Christ reveal that with disturbing clarity.

    Obama is no preacher, but his presence on the political landscape represents a challenge and a worry for the Christian Right in more ways than one. It really worries them when the guy speaks to religious audiences. It reminds them that they don’t own a monopoly on faith. And that there used to be a very influential thing known as the Christian Left.

    They’re much happier with the mistaken idea that liberals are all a bunch of secular humanists.

    • candymarl

      teh Founding Fathers did not want any religious test for holding office. Why? Because even in the Colonies there were certain religious groups that used it as a litmus test for holding public office.

      If Obama is so pro Sermon on the Mount why didn’t he see the suffering of poor black people in his own district in Chicago? This suffering was caused by his friend Rezko. Yet he continued to take this money from this man. I wonder what Jesus would have to say about that?

      • candymarl

        That’s “The” Founding Fathers. Oops.

    • Tuppence 411

      Wow James- you just RE-WROTE Salvation history with your uninformed sermon. So? What do you call this new religion you just made up?

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    Nice and usefull post, thanks, this is one for my bookmarks!

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Yes, we could call ourselves…Coneheads!

  • Denise

    I am not talking about the cost of running museums I was referring to the pork bills funding the building of new museums during a recession period. Why don’t we use the money for the needs of the poor until the recession is over?

  • jwrjr

    Can we consume mass quantities now?

  • mahaska

    If you are talking about the Childrens Museum in Chicago, They want to move it because Daly has big plans for a casino on the Navy Pier.
    Blasphemy.