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Was He Lying Then, Or Is He Lying Now?

Oh, this is an interesting video. Obama v. Obama on Health Care. Obama ’07 against Obama ’09. This is mighty interesting indeed. Take a look:

I told you it was interesting. You know, in that “liar, liar, pants on fire” sort of way, which I say knowing I am probably going to be called a racist. Ahem. Still, one cannot deny he is lying in one or the other.

And how about Obama on Insuring Illegal Aliens? The good news for me is that I don’t even have to change the years on this one. Heck, I don’t even have to change the month, or even the WEEK!! Yes, this is all in just one little ol’ week, heck, it was in one little ol’ SPEECH:

Um, you wanna tell us what you mean by that, Mr. Obama? Does that mean you support amnesty for those who are here illegally so they can get that health coverage? What’s the deal?

Just to be clear, I am not a right wingnut who allegedly hates all immigrants. Even when I was a leftwing nut, I did not support all illegal immigrants being granted amnesty carte blanche, and that hasn’t changed now that I’m an Leftie Independent wingnut. I do believe in granting asylum to people fleeing their countries who are in fear of their lives, absolutely. Come on in, I say. But if it is someone who comes here on a student visa, and overstays, or crosses the border for work, sending a majority of their wages back home (thus, not back into our economy), I say, do it the right way. File for citizenship. Heck, if you really want to be an American citizen and don’t want to go through the time and expense for the usual process, join the military. After you have served the requisite time, you’re an American. That’s fine. Welcome! But to grant amnesty to 12,000,000 people who are here illegally, so they can get full health benefits, without having paid taxes back into it? Um, no.

That’s not to say our immigration policy doesn’t need tweaking – it surely does. Let’s work on that. But that does not mean everyone here should get a clean slate and not have to do the work those who came here legally did. That would make a mockery of the entire system, wouldn’t it? Not to mention being incredibly unfair to those who did do the paperwork, paid the money, and jumped through all the hoops as required. Not fair at all, I think. But I digress.

At this rate, I think President Obama may just give President Clinton a run for the moniker, “Slick.” He’s doing a mighty fine job of it these days. You never know what he’s going to say from one day to the next, or even one sentence from the next. No doubt this issue of amnesty will be developing, so stay tuned, and stay vigilant.

  • jwrjr

    Answer to the question posed by the title of this article: yes.

  • Daisy Mae

    IMHO: A definite YES.

  • annie

    I cannot understand how he can go out there peddeling health care when they don’t even have a plan yet.I think they will keep throwing things out there till something sticks to the wall. And what the hell was Michelle trying to prove wearing that belt. How desperate are they? I hope the people are not as stupid as when they voted for him.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      was that a belt???????????

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        she’s a fashion icon, don’tcha know!

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          I thought she forgot to take off some of her S&M gear.

          Whatever she was trying to present as fashion was well, kind of embarrassing and sad. She’s no first lady. Nope can’t even use her name and “first lady” in the same sentence.

          Faux lady, that’s all.

      • socalannie

        Good question. I can’t even think of how to describe it. I think she has the worst fashion sense of any first lady, ever. Odd, that at her age, she doesn’t know that if you’re big around the waistline, wearing a big belt will just make you look bigger.

        • maryann

          But she puts her multiple belts around her CHEST!

          OK, since the Obama’s are in to NLP and subliminal messaging, the belts imply bondage, slavery, vote for Obamacare or you’re a racist?

          • socalannie

            ROFL! Good one!

          • elizabethrc

            Her ‘fashion statement’ is totally lost on all but the black community. If she’s trying to rub our faces in the bondage thing, it isn’t working, nor will it work. She has so alienated most Americans with her overt attempts to make statements about her blackness and her militance (see the red and black theme she chose for her entire family on election night) that her messages are not just falling on deaf ears, they are making her look like a laughingstock.
            Message to Michelle: We don’t care.

      • Lisa

        foxyladi, what belt? I don’t see a video with Michelle O in this article.

      • J.J. (The PUMA)

        I think it was a belt of bondage, demonstrating the historical bondage of women. But, I also suspect it was a subliminal insult to her husband, reminding him that her ancestors were slaves, while he not only lacks any slave blood, but also that his white ancestors were slaveholders.

        Or then, maybe again, it was just an ugly-ass belt.

        • carolhaka

          Next thing, she will be wearing the multi-colored plastic bracelets letting all the teen and preteens know what kind of s*x she is giving up to the great one.

          Yuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

          CAROL HAKA :evil:

          • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

            Oh, dammit, Carol – that is NOT an image I want in my head Yuck, ugh, ewwwwwww.

            • MBC

              Quick wash out your eyes!

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    Lying? Politics is politics… Its called the reality of public office once elected. BTW, they all do it, lousy part of the system..

    All I have to say is, he was has no sin cast the first stone and that includes me. As far as illegal immigrants and health care is concerned. I support the position held by the US Catholic Conference of Bishops. It should not matter human life is human life whether that is the unborn, the death penalty or health care. It should not matter.

    I also support fixing our immigration laws and if that means amnesty, NOT CITIZENSHIP, for those here now, so be it. I don’t care what other Countries would do all I care about is what the greatest one of them all would do, The United States.. and yes I am a Goldwater Conservative (Independent) and a practicing Catholic….

    • SN in MN

      Actually, you’re delusional. You probably don’t expect that you will have to personally pay for the deadbeats either. You’re living in la-la land.

      • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

        Delusional? Sin in MN? No must be the water in MN. Whats missing in the Country is “humanity”… Deadbeats? I am sure your as straight as an arrow and have never bent the rules. Well hopefully you’ll never experience poverty and yes praying is not a bad thing, you should try it sometimes…

      • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

        “You’re living in la-la land.”

        And you should be very thankful your living in this land….

      • maryann

        With Obamacare anyone from anywhere on the planet with a medical condition and a plane ticket is in luck!

        • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

          If it saves a life…its fine with me….

    • tek

      Jazz: What in the world are you talking about? It’s people like you who sleazy politicians just love. You don’t care what the issues are, you just want to give the Church and politicians free rein. Heck, why not just open up the country and give away everything we have to whoever wants to come in here and get it? That’s what happened in Rome.

    • tek

      Jazz: and I guess the fact that all these hispanic illegals are CATHOLIC has nothing to do with the bishops’ stand. Money–it’s not about life being sacred, it’s about money. The Priest pedophile scandal cleared out the parrishes of the Catholic church. Now they’re looking to importing Mexicans to fill up the pews. if you want the Catholic church to run your life, why don’t you move to the Vatican?

      • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

        Actually Tek it does not matter to me what religion you are or even if you don’t believe in God. Life is life period. Maybe you should try getting out of your own back yard and see what real poverty looks like.

        Secondly, I am a social moderate who leans just slightly left on humanitarian issues and a fiscal conservative. I see the health care reform issue really a non-issue and have noted that as long as it meets equality standards and is paid for with a sales or VAT tax or something like that I am all for it. No one or no human being in this Country should go without medical insurance or medical care. Besides we have bigger problems than that.

        Lastly, It’s people like you Tek who tell other American’s that if we do not abide by your rules or likings to get out of our own Country who are the problems and your remarks are racist (no matter what color I am) and discriminatory.

      • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

        Tek

        First I am a social moderate who when it comes to humanitarian issues leans slightly left and just on some of those social issues. We can afford this..Otherwise I am a fiscal hawk and conservative. I could care less about ones religion when its comes to health care. A life is a life.. Now that does not mean I am that way on all issues.. Maybe you should get out of your own back yard and see what real poverty looks like here and no I am not for giving the farm away either.

        Moreover, you telling other American’s who have a different point of view than yourself to move out of the Country are the real problems with discrimination and racism in this country.

    • kgirl1028

      So what you are saying is that you want to give citizen ship to people who didn’t have decency to come here the right way?

      My acestors came here on slave ships, and their walk to citizens ship was one that lasted over two hundered years. Some of the people on this board had family members who crossed Europe in groups to protect them from those who might pray on them, the crossed the ocean in cramped filthy vessels where they had to by thier own water, only to be turned back at Ellis Island. And in order for them to come here they had to have sponsors. So to gve people who already mooch off our government yet had so much hubris as to come here un invited it would be a slap in the face to every single one of our forthers who made that journey honestly.

      I wasn’t until Obama that i learned what hypocritical boobs libs are. You don’t want amnesty because these poor people are suffering, you want them to create a voting monopoly. Screw you! States like California and New York have gone broke supporting these people, send them home, and if they want citizenship let them do it the right way. This in itself would create new jobs.

      • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

        How about creating a voting monopoly in their own country? The rich Mexicans will always get away with ripping off the US and their own poor until they stand up for themselves. Remember how the people filled the Plaza in Mexico City during their last election which they thought had been stolen? Think of what the 12 million here in the US would have been able to accomplish if they been there to joined in…It’s not up to us to save them. Poor little victims. BS.

        • tek

          Martha: I read that almost all of the illegal Mexicans went back to Mexico to vote in that election. See, it is possible to get all of them out of here.

          • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

            They should have stayed to demonstrate. For sure there there was a million flooding the Plaza but think of 12 million. That’d get their attention.

  • Obamastolemycountry

    Lying in 2007 or 2009? Both. Every time the fauxpotus moves his lips, he is lying!!!

    It is all the man knows!

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      LOL – I think you are right on target, as were the emphatic “yes” votes above!

      Jazz, thank you for differentiating yourself from the ORIGINAL “Just Me” so people no longer get confused when your comments are diametrically opposed from the Original Just Me’s. Appreciate it.

      And to be clear – no one is allowed to take someone else’s moniker. That is expressly forbidden, as is providing a fake email address, or using more than one name to post comments. Just a little reminder!

      • TeakWoodKite aka It’s not just me.

        Rev. Amy, not even an occasional aka? BO has done all his life and now he is POTUS, so it must be ok?

        (Such a role model he is)

  • WhatNow

    Illegals should have health care here, when necessary. Start sending their medical bill to Mexico. Mexico has universal health care. Pay the bill, Mexico. Quit stealing money from America.

    • SN in MN

      Brilliant idea! And if they don’t pay up, garnish their foreign (dependant)aid!

      • WhatNow

        SN in MN – why don’t you suggest that to Glen Beck. I’m sure he’ll be covering medical care for illegals in one of his segments. It’ll be a lot easier for the USA to deduct the amount from federal aid than to expect a check from the Mexican government.

        kgirl – I heard this a long time ago. If you’re the original poster – kudos to you for thinking out of the box.

    • kgirl1028

      I think I suggested thesame thing a while back, I also said companies that hire illegals should be heavily taxed as well.

  • Constant

    Well, “slick willie” was an amusing double-entendre.

  • Tammy

    As a wife of an immigrant, I want all of the Illegals here to go through the same shit WE had to go through, and pay the thousands of dollars in bullshit “fees” that we had to pay.

    Oh, and they can stand in that immigration line ALL DAY like we did. Twice!

    And my husband served in the Marines as a foreign national(25 years ago), and he didn’t get any breaks.

    Bullshit on amnesty.
    Get in line like the others have to.
    And get out your wallets and pay up like the rest of the LEGAL immigrants had to.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      i agree with that

      • socalannie

        me too.

        • ~~JustMe~~

          I agree Tammy been there done that got the T-shirt with a 12month old in tow not a good line to stand in all day.

          • ~~JustMe~~

            Plus when my brother moved here and was told when he could get married. If they had married any sooner he would of been deported ASAP.
            Also moving here legally you are unable to work straight away until you get your SS#.

            I agree everyone should go through the exact same process if not can we get a refund ? (joking)

            • Tammy

              Just Me:
              It’s a pain in the ass, isn’t it?
              And it wasn’t cheap, either! Fill out this form, and pay that fee. Oh, I forgot, you’ll need THIS form and have to pay another fee.
              And we had to come back another time to fill out something else. Ridiculous!

              And hey, if anyone wants to see what government run health care is going to be like, just go down to your local immigration office. That’s what the lines will be like.
              People lined up at 6 AM for the doors to open at 8, and the line going out into the hallway.

              And trust me, those government workers like to take their own damn time, too. You piss them off, and they won’t help you. I saw it happen to another guy at the counter next to me. It was horrible.

              The borders need to be secured.
              Immigration needs to be overhauled.
              And the laws to enforce illegal entry need to be upheld.

          • Tammy

            Oh, luckily my husband had gotten his SS# back when he was in the Marines (one of his buddies told him he was supposed to get one).
            Things were a lot more lax back then.

            Of course, nowadays illegals just steal SS#s.

            • ~~JustMe~~

              So true Tammy!!! I smile and wave smile and wave (lol) when in the immigration line even passing through at the airport.

            • Tex-Mex Soup

              No Tammy they get tax id #’s that the IRS gladly issues them, no questions asked its even in spanish. Its called a w-7.

              Let me repeat myself, the GOVERNMENT of the UNITED STATES glady issues those “dirty filthy disgusting non human Mexicans”(since illegal immigration is all about those Mexcuns)a tax id # which they in turn use as a LEGAL form of ID to obtain work, pay taxes, and pay for health insurance through their employers. Does it make it ok? NO it does not however its really f*cked up having to read the uninformed hate coming through.

              Of course a portion work with stolen SS #’s and unfortunatley that is something that needs to get resolved but its really not cool to paint with such broad strokes.

              ALSO the majority of those mexicans cannot come into the country legally as the quota for a green card is very low in comparison to the influx. So basically we are dealing with folks who are desperate to make a living, desperate to feed their families and a corrupt government. WTF would you do if you were in there shoes?? Those Mexcuns don’t have politcal assylum to claim.

              WE Americans (yes that includes me a fifth generation American) have had it pretty good and should have some form, just a tiny bit of empathy for these immigrants as a good portion of them just want a better life and can’t obtain it legally right away. Trust me, if they could get citizenship just as easliy as lets say Cuban nationals, they would be all over it.

              I am pretty damn sick of reading such hate on here to the illegals as they are subhumans. Its shameful. People can express their views without talking about these people like they are some kind of animal.

              GET PISSED OFF AT THE GOVERNMENT WHO ALLOWS IT AND THE EMPLOYERS WHO EMPLOY THEM.

              Illegal immigration has got to be resolved and stopped!!!

    • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

      A member of our family is a Legal immigrant too and it is amazing what they have to go through to come in the right way. We wouldn’t have it any other way that the front door. She will be an excellent, educated law abiding addition to our country.

  • Ginger

    A service member has to apply to bring family members on an overseas tour and get a “with-dependents” tour. Otherwise, it’s out-of-pocket. That is for everything – going onto the installation, medical, commissary, PX.

  • jbjd

    Just wanted everyone to know, I just posted the Virginia model complaint of election fraud to the AG, against The Honorable Nancy Pelosi.

    http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/the-cheese-stands-alone/

    (R3A, if this is too O/T, take it down.)

    • jwrjr

      Keep is posted on the results. (From observing the DNC, it will be somewhat like pushing a rope.)

  • L

    I think the answer is – if his lips are moving,
    he is lying!

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Agree. Obama hasn’t told the truth in years, maybe ever.

      • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

        He wouldn’t know the truth if it sat up and bit him in the a**.

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      LOL, L – that’s pretty much my take on him, too.

      Ginger – good point abt the military.

      And Tammy, you know firsthand what it means for someone to try to become a citiszen of this country (though I do have a brother-in-law from another country. All I can say is, the US has some low standards…NOT talking abt your husband, Tammy – but my bro-in-law. He’s a major Star Trek person, which is fine, but he’s not “firing on all thrusters,” as they say.).

      NO country has fluid borders, though (in response to some comments upthread) – every single one requires SOMETHING to become a citizen. I don’t know why there would be an exception for 12 million people who chose NOT to follow the rules(unless, as I said, they are seeking asylum).

      • ImaLlindatoo

        oh, what about Switzerland! Talk about requirements to become a citizen.

        • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

          I was told if you want to stay in Mexico as a resident, non-citizen, you have to put up a $500,000 bond.

      • Tammy

        Amy:
        I hate to say this, but I don’t fall for the asylum thing anymore.
        If you recall, years ago when the Somalis had their horrible famine, we brought them over here in droves. The largest population is in Minnesota.

        The Somali’s here(in MN)have learned to work the system, and most of them are on government assistance, and they do NOT integrate. AT ALL.
        We’ve already had several airline incidents, including one where Somali taxi drivers refused to drive people with seeing eye dogs. We recently had Somalis who went back for Jihad.

        Asylum is not an excuse, as far as I’m concerned.
        Immigrants should be people who want to be Americans, not people who want to force the customs of their country on us.
        Sorry, we just have a difference of opinion.

        • ~~JustMe~~

          Yes when moving to a different country we should live by their customs laws etc and respect them to the full.
          I have never run out to find a town or area full of Brits or a bee line for the British pubs you see.
          When asked where I am from I say the town I live in NEVER state where I am originally from in the UK however that is what people are really asking.

          PLUS
          I proudly fly my American flag!

          • Tammy

            Well, when my husband gets back, you and he can have a beer together and call each other “mate”.
            He’s British too.

        • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

          Yes, I do believe there is something in the drinking water there in MN. Enough Muslims now that they are starting to push their weight around based on religious belief. Demanding prayer times on the job, giving up national US holidays in exchange for their holidays…Hey, Mohammad. Take it out of your own vacation pay.

          • Tammy

            My Rep is Keith Ellison, and he was trying to get those jhihadists BACK.
            Oh, and Ellison hold prayers in his office!
            Can you imagine how crazy the media would go if he was a Christian doing the same thing?

            Good news: The mudlims who caused the ruckus on the airline lost their law suit.
            The taxi drivers were told that if they didn’t pick up seeing eye dogs (oh, and people with liquor) that their licenses would be suspended.

            None of THAT hit the National news.

            And what’s happening quietly is that Somalis aren’t getting hired for jobs because business owners are afraid of getting sued!
            They brought this on themselves, if you ask me.

            • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

              Yes, they did bring it on themselves. If they want to live here, do it our way.

        • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

          I was thinking of women who were being threatened with death in any number or countries, or the same for GLBT people, instances like that when I was talking abt asylum. I admit, I wasn’t thinking abt huge groups of people, more of a case by case basis.

  • HARP

    Obama now says mandates are not a tax.
    Obama now wants to reduce Medicare.

    Lets flashback to last year and see what he was saying.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OzxuFnqhSE&feature=PlayList&p=F37A8E05106E50B8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      WOW, HARP – thank you for this – I think I’m going to have to use this (with credit to you, of course).

      Unbelievable…

    • Nellie

      Amy, once again a GREAT comparison! Have sent this article to FOX, Washington Times, NY Post and Dallas Morning News. At least they are willing to print the truth.

      Harp,

      Obama ALREADY did cut Medicare, on July 1st this year. However our ‘wonderfuL’ media did not report it until Bloomberg picked it up at the END of August:

      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=apv3pcTOWVjk

      An Obama administration plan to cut Medicare payments to heart and cancer doctors by $1.4 billion next year is generating a backlash that’s undermining the president’s health-care overhaul.

      Where will these savings go?

      Seems Obama’s suger daddy, George Soros had a fantastic day in the Markets on August 15th:

      George Soros Buys Petroleo Brasileiro

      http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=66288

      Now this poor 97th richest man in the world asks Obama to underwrite his newest ventures, intitally for a mere $2 Billion for a total of $10 Billion.

      http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/billionaires08_The-Worlds-Billionaires_NameProper_38.html

      Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling – August 18, 2009

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

      Lend $10 Billion To Drill… Brazil?- ties to above story

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Lend-10-Billion-To-Drill-ibd-1935830128.html?x=0&.v=1

      And of course in Barakistan, it is much more important to reward friends,a than take care of the elderly.

      And of course, while giving away OUR tax dollars the ONE decided it would be a good time to teach those Puerto Ricans a lesson for voting for Hillary in the primaries last year. So he eliminates 200 jobs there, to give 70 jobs to the Virgin Islands, which voted for him.

      Tax Dollars to British distiller for Captain Morgan rum $2.7 Billion

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-dc-rum,0,1491418.story

      Perhaps I missed the news, but doesn’t our constitution state that CONGRESS decides where money goes.

      I am so frustrated and angry. It is terrible for us as citizens to be powerless, about where OUR money goes. It seems we no long even have input on priorities. Sometimes I just cry, and other days I yell a lot.

      • carol

        this is total crap. of course every group of specialists will be fighting for their salaries. do you even understand what the real meaning of this is? there are too few primary care physicians in this country and basic care if being neglected. the specialists may almost twice as much in salary as do primary or family practice doctors and much of it is due to unnecessary tests. that is not to say that every individual shouldn’t be given every possible test and treatment method available, but due to a high rate of malpractice insurance for many of these specialists, they often order anything and everything for the patient, just so they won’t be sued later on.
        so please, what makes cardiologists worth so much more than another specialist or a primary care provider?
        and besides, obama is discussing this. no where does this article or any other say that he has actually cut payments to cardiologists so stop making things up.

      • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

        Yep, I wondered why we were financing oil in BRAZIL but not our own country. Hope Hannity gets hold of this.

        • Nellie

          Martha,

          I would like just ONE week, where we actually hear ALL the news from our so called media-minus the punditry.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    Ohhh. We’re talking about the PresideNot Obama who says something different to every audience and if there is anyone in the media (stop laughing) or elsewehere that might attempt to hold him accountable and actuall mentioned his many and ever changing positions, he could reply “I’ve been very clear”, or “I have always said I support health care”….and then maybe we might get another responsible journalist (I know) who would then say, “Mr Presidenot, no one asked you that, could you answer MY question?”

    The question should now be, what has Obama been honest about?

  • tek

    ImaLinda: you got that right. And notice how these pols ALWAYS say “We have an immigration system that’s broken.” No, it’s not that the system is broken, it’s that you turnip heads in D. C. are simply NOT ENFORCING the immigration laws.

    I would love to get an explanation from one of these turdballs just what do they mean the system is broken? Does that mean we have boundaries and they see that as a problem? Can’t get all the cheap labor and new voters in here without a piece of legislation? I do not believe it is impossible for the only Super Power country in the world to secure its borders and round up illegal aliens and deport them.

    What’s broken is the federal government in the United States of America.

    To me, this is the most serious issue facing the country. Adding millions of third world ethnic people who hate Americans to our population will change this country forever and not for the good.

    His little speech is confusing. He’s talking out of both sides of his mouth, as usual.

    • ImaLlindatoo

      lol Definitely.

      They mean, WE (THEY) broke the system to exploit people and the citizens.

  • Lily

    I listened to the videos and I really don’t have the slightest idea what Obama was saying. I guess it’s my fault for being stupid and not his fault for being deceitful, two-faced, fork tongued, manipulative, and not knowing what he is talking about.

    What a mess.

    • ~~JustMe~~

      It’s my fault for being
      Come on Lily you forgot racist, bible clinging gun toting & un American!

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Well, when he says ” I will not sign an plan that spends not one dime on increasing the deficit” that only means our taxes will be raised sky high.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      haha! no kidding!

  • Sassy

    The majority of the uninsured will be going on Medicaid. This cost is shared by the states at a 60% feds and 40% state funds.
    Bet your britches, your state taxes are going up!
    The myth that Americans won’t do the jobs that are taken by illegals has been debunked. After raids by immigration, many of the companies involved were operating at full capacity, with citizens doing the work.

    • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

      Yes, please don’t tell me there aren’t American citizens qualified and wanting carpentry or factory jobs.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    They should have stayed to demonstrate. For sure there was a million flooding the Plaza but think of 12 million. That’d get their attention.

    • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

      sorry for the duplicate…unintentional.

  • carolhaka

    I’m watching the boring Emmy’s.

    Oh wait, they are breaking in with breaking news. Obama has something to say! Wait for it, wait for it……………………….. he wants to remind us to watch him on Letterman tomorrow night!

    Not really, but I bet he thought about it.

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

    • Nellie

      Harp – LOL!!

    • Tammy

      Boring except for Ricky Gervais.
      He is so damned funny.
      No wonder I married a Brit!

      Go buy the original “Office”.
      Much funnier than that American version.

      I worked in Hollywood for almost five years.
      I barely watch any of the awards shows anymore.
      The culture of celebrity turns my stomach since I know what morons most of them really are.
      But I will always appreciate good acting.

  • Brittancus

    In the past not too many Americans and legal residents were unaware of the happenings in Congress. Today instant contact is a way of life for anybody who has access to a computer. In 1986 other than the paper media, tv and radio gave any evidence of the Immigration Reform package and that was surely limited? The US population was isolated from the truth that was to befall them, after the Simpson/Mazzoli bill passed because the politicians hid the truth? 2 million guest workers were to be given citizenship, but the process became full of corruption and 5.3 million was eventually approved for blanket AMNESTY. Expeditiously the guest workers moved away from agriculture and joined the mainstream of workers. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE EQUALLY TO TAKE BLAME FOR THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OCCUPATION OF OUR NATION.

    The people who picked the fruit and vegetables in the farms vanished, so that meant more floods of illegal workers to take the empty places. Today Obama wants to pass another miserable immigration reform bill, even though the main author Edward Kennedy insisted there would never be another path to citizenship. Millions of honest voter don’t believe the rhetoric or lies that spill from the politicians anymore. Again behind closed drapes they have been having a secret summit, with little or no participation of the press or pro-sovereignty groups. When lawmakers declare no more Immigration reform than they better stick to their words. Both parties contain corrupt legislators who care nothing for the working man/women and are ready to present in the House and Senate a new immigration reform bill.

    287 G, was a lifeline to train local police authorities to arrest and question people, but that may have seen the end of days. The no-match letter may also have been sold out, as well as ICE raids to pander to extremist groups such as La Raza. A recently released report by the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that 42 states lost jobs last month with Indiana alone losing 9,500 jobs! With 15 million Americans out of work and most states continuing to lose jobs on a monthly basis, it is completely obnoxious that the United States hands out about 100,000 green cards each month! THIS IS NOT RACISM THIS IS ABOUT SURVIVAL!

    President Obama is holding the reins, this time and already confusing the American people over health care. Joe Wilson was right to some degree about no mechanism in the health care package to identify illegal aliens. After the fact and bombarded by livid Americans they added amendments that would cut off all access. That why our legislators need to amplify the verification procedures, to remove foreign nationals from cheating the system.

    I trust neither Sen. Harry Reid, House speaker Pelosi and all those who fumble along behind the major conspirators. Harry Reid’s Nevada has hospitals in dire need of funds, because of the massive illegal alien population there. The same with California that’s having release 20.000 prison inmates, because they were on the edge of bankruptcy, owing to indifferent assembly in Sacramento who allowed unfettered benefits to millions of illegal immigrant families feeding out of the waning state money trough.The businesses that draw them here, pay nothing to their living conditions. Those expenses are left to the taxpayers. Call your Senator or Representative at 202-224-3121 and demand no more Immigration Reform. If you want real facts find out about the corruption and other sinister issues at NUMBERSUSA & JUDICIAL WATCH. Only your irate voices will curtail another AMNESTY travesty and stop millions more arriving illegally in America?
    Certainly I would like a Public option for some family members, but not if illegal aliens can benefit from US taxpayers paying the bill?

    • tek

      Brittanicus: you summed it up exactly. I don’t believe anything Obama says on this issue, because the LAW says no more amnesties. I don’t believe a president who is sworn to uphold the laws and the Constitution and one of the first projects he has on the agenda is to break a Reagan era law so he can reward millions of foreign nationals for breaking the law. Crazy.

  • yttik

    Rev Amy, you know what’s going to happen if we mandate coverage for US citizen but exempt illegals? It’s going to become too expensive for employers to hire US citizens.

    The Mexican gov has been working on universal health care that would cover US migrant workers. If workers arrive in this country already insured, that’s who employers are going to hire. Why spend an extra 15,000 a yr to hire a US citizen?

  • IndieDogg

    We could end this foolish charade if Obamba would allow himself to be questioned by any competent trial lawyer, under oath, for the same 15 minutes he spent on the network talk shows this past weekend.

    Call it his 15 minutes of shame.

    Or our 15 minutes of truth.

    He’s a contradiction wrapped in a conundrum, propped up by straws, held together with chewing gum and baling wire. Or something like that — put it all in a blender and pour it into your favorite Obama-shaped mug and — voila — I give you — POTUS Obama.

    Or, as I call him, TACPTPOTUS (The Actor Currently Playing The President Of The United States).

    • tek

      LOL!

      It reminds me of that movie Swing Shift.

  • Debalee

    Don’t bother to question if he’s lying. I’ll make it simple for you: HE’S ALWAYS LYING!! Guaranteed.