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Fighting Terrorists with Cops?

One of the unfortunate myths generated during the Bush Administration is this bullshit notion of a “pre-911″ mentality. The first part of the argument by the pre-911ers is that the U.S. Government treated terrorism only as a criminal matter and not as a military threat. The second part is that George Bush “took off the gloves” and went after the terrorists as a military threat. If you are heavy into fantasy then go with that mythology. It will make you feel good but it is just not true.

The supposed split between going after terrorists with law enforcement vice military force is on vivid display this week with three different dramatic arrests of Al Qaeda sympathizers in the United States who wanted to carry out attacks.

A muslim convert in Illinois was arrested after parking what he thought was a car bomb outside a Federal courthouse:

An Illinois man was ordered held on Thursday on charges he tried to blow up a federal building in the state capital, a case unrelated to the New York terrorism plot.

Michael Finton, also known as Talib Islam, was arrested in Springfield, Illinois, and charged with attempted murder of federal officers or employees and trying to use a weapon of mass destruction, charges that carry a life sentence.

A similar scenario unfolded yesterday in Dallas, Texas:

Hosam Maher Husein Smadi was arrested Thursday after he parked a vehicle laden with government-supplied fake explosives in the underground parking garage of Fountain Place, a 60-story tower in the 1400 block of Ross Avenue at North Field Street, authorities said.

The arrest was part of an FBI sting operation that began after an agent monitoring an online extremist Web site discovered Smadi espousing jihad against the U.S. more than six months ago.

As more undercover Arabic-speaking agents engaged him, Smadi, living illegally in the U.S. in the small town of Italy, about 45 miles south of Dallas, pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and expressed a desire to kill Americans, authorities said.

And then there is the New York/Denver case with the Afghan national, Najibullah Zazi:

Counter-terrorism agents raided several city apartments on Tuesday, searching for evidence that could link a half-dozen suspected terrorists to a recently uncovered plot to bomb New York.

A U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed “multiple” raids on the homes of friends and associates of Najibullah Zazi, an Afghan immigrant believed to be the brains behind the foiled scheme.

Investigators swooped in on targets that had been under police surveillance since Zazi, his father, and a Queens-based imam were arrested over the weekend.

“We’ve got new bodies – eight more people we’re looking at,” a source close to the investigation told the Daily News.

These incidents are not trumped out. They are the fruits of a law enforcement approach. Seriously, what would we expect the military to do in these cases? Who do you bomb? Where do you send Delta Force and who should they shoot?

We should not forget that those keen on engaging in terrorism rarely operate in large groups. They rarely have bases and infrastructure that make juicy targets for U.S. military forces. Instead they operate in small groups, are dressed normally and live in neighborhoods. And, fortunately, they are not the brightest lights in the tanning bed.

It also is important to remind ourselves that law enforcement, especially in the United States, has advantages in detecting and preventing terrorist attacks that the military cannot hope to achieve. In my experience state and local police collect important intelligence that is critical to preventing terrorist attacks. Unfortunately there is still the tendency for Federal Law Enforcement, especially the FBI, to not share with the locals. That is a remaining challenge to surmount.

While I think Barack Obama’s policies on the economy, health care and Afghanistan are awful, let’s give him credit for maintaining the pressure to identify and disrupt impending terrorist attacks. He is not giving terrorists a pass.

  • hokma

    Good analysis. But frankly we could use Delta Force in Chicago.The gang crime situation there is horrific. Mayor Daily is more focused on getting the Olympic bid than in saving the lives of people there.

    “He is not giving terrorists a pass.”

    Give him time. Maybe he has gotten up to that just yet on his “Things To-Do List from Soros.”

  • Thinker

    We should not forget that those keen on engaging in terrorism rarely operate in large groups. They rarely have bases and infrastructure that make juicy targets for U.S. military forces. Instead they operate in small groups, are dressed normally and live in neighborhoods.

    - This is very true, and I think that we do tend to forget this. We think of finding terrorists at a huge base or something, when that simply isn’t the case. I felt very proud of our law enforcement in the country. and LOL @ the tanning bed comment. They caught one guy on tape buying botles and bottles of peroxide!!! case closed on him.

    The second part is that George Bush “took off the gloves” and went after the terrorists as a military threat. If you are heavy into fantasy then go with that mythology. It will make you feel good but it is just not true.

    - That’s the myth that is Dubya. Everyone knew that he wasn’t a great public speaker, we knew about the C average he had in college, but what George Bush did have was his ability to SEEM tough, to seem as if he was kicking ass and this was very powerful at the time.

    So why won’t the FBI share info with the locals?? Is it arrogance??

    And I don’t know if I would give Obama credit for this. These law enforcement men & women are still going to go after terrorists right in our own backyards with or without him. It’s their job.

  • Sassy

    These arrests are very gratifying!
    I’m glad to know, that with resources and training, our guys can “get it done”!
    They didn’t even raise those ridiculous threat level banners either!

  • tzada

    Somehow I question the timing on this…. It is great they were stopped. But again it goes to timing. What is coming up for renewal? What do some members of Democratic members of congress want to rename the Justice Act? What changes could they make? What could possibly go awry? Why do they want to change the name anyhow? Good on the police, bad for all if we have been scamed and herded.

  • Peggy Sue

    Hey, I’m willing to give Obama credit on the rare occasion he does something right. Because for the most part his policies are God awful and dangerous. But if we’re protected at home? I’ll give him a cheer, even if it’s in his self-interest to do it. If we’re attacked on his watch, his presidency is over. I’m sure Obama and WH staff know that.

    Loved the tanning bed line, Larry. It was inspired! :0)

  • wbboei

    Larry–it is unclear to me what Mr. Obama has done to fight domestic terrorism. It seems to me the credit goes to local law enforcement. Possibly the FBI as well. But they operate independent of the White House as I understand it. As far as Bush is concerned that is a pretty low bar. Please tell me what I am missing. Perhaps it is obvious, and I am just not seeing it.

  • wbboei

    From what I know of the FBI from personal experience, they operate independent of the White House, develop information through sources and if they need a search warrant then they go to the U.S. Attorney in that district and seek a warrant. Also, they provide evidence for subsequent prosecution. But again, it seems to me that the FBI is directing this thing, not Mr. Obama. But perhaps I am wrong in this instance. The head of the FBI was selected by the prior administration if I am not mistaken.

  • wbboei

    I have have seen the FBI operate with organized crime strike forces, and there they were directed by special prosecutors who had asst US Attorney powers. Those entities were created by Bobby Kennedy and abolished by Judge Webster. But that was a special case.

  • helenk

    http://deadenders.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/border-agents-catch-three-terrorist-so-youre-all-fired/

    tell me again how I am safer now under backtrack. I keep forgetting.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    they are still out there folks

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Yep–and no city is safe. (Remember Oklahoma City of all places.)

    I hope the FBI “gets it” and starts sharing more info with local law enforcement.

  • propertius

    I think it’s worth noting that no torture was involved in the apprehension of these characters – just tried-and-true investigative and law enforcement techniques on the part of highly-skilled professionals.

  • jwrjr

    I have been saying for a while that armies are ineffective against terrorists. Armies are best at fighting armies. Terrorists are not going to hang around together waiting for the Army to show up.
    The only problem that I have with Police apprehending terrorists is that lately I have been watching a much-publicized terrorist arrest locally (North Carolina). Daily there seems to be new charges against them – they were planning this, they were thinking about that, they were collecting material for the other. But where is the evidence?

  • truthtelling007

    “they are still out there folks”

    Who is they?

    If it is the “they” I think you are referring to, then “they” will always be out there, as “they” were always out there.

    Who is “they”?
    Recruitment for terrorism or revolution isn’t something you can end. You can balance against it to a zero sum game many times, but these events are cyclical and interwoven into our human history.

    The Romans fought terrorists, aka the Goths, Bohemians, etc. The Chinese fought terrorists in Zhou, Xi, and other provinces when Master Sun Tzu was advising King Helü back in the days of Wu.

    Thus Larry’s point is clear, you have to use the appropriate tool for the job. You don’t use a screwdriver when an awl is required. You don’t hammer a pipe fitting together you use a clamp, etc.

    Right Tool Right Job.

    Who is “they”? The ones we are always going to be in opposition with, ruskies, commies, vietcong, separatists, or each other. We should learn better how to undermine the real threats and erode their support.

    But perhaps more important,
    We should learn how to own up to our own torture program because we lost the moral high ground in this otherwise easy moral fight to win.

    Getting the world on our side after 9/11 was a no-brainer. Screwing that up…that was unforgivable. Time to earn back what we could have had after 9/11, the moral support of the rest of the world. Instead, idiots like John Bolton ran around with America Number One garbage married with Go It Alone, Smoke Them Out, and of course, Bring ‘Em On and Mission Accomplished.

    Its time to get clear on the crimes of the Bush and Cheney administration so we can make sure the continuance of such policies doesn’t persist under the Boy King.

  • Prime Obot

    If Obama gets no credit when our law enforcement and security personnel catch wannabe terrorists, would that mean he wouldn’t get the blame if they miss someone and we do get attacked?

  • Katmoon

    mmm….mmmm…..mmmmm

  • Ferd Berfle

    mmm….mmmm…..mmmmm

  • Docelder

    Exactly what I am thinking. When you bust people for crimes they haven’t done yet, you have 100% success rates. Provided you never have to actually prove any of it. Plus you keep the threat of terror in our minds without the terrorists actually having to risk themselves and without any terror actually taking place… win-win? I can visualize the scenario. Sadly, I can.

  • Docelder

    mmm…mmm not good. ;)

  • Donna Brazile

    mmm…mmm…mmm

    That One loves
    this I know
    because Prime OButt
    tells me so.

    Stop the songfest!

  • Katmoon

    ROFLPMP!!! Brava!!!

  • Ferd Berfle

    LMAO-mmm-mmmm-mmmmm

  • Donna Brazile

    How about this one?

    mmm mmm good
    mmm mmm good
    that’s what That One is
    mmm mmm good

    Stop the Campbell’s Soup song fest!

  • TeakWoodKite

    mmmmm mmmm mmmm , TGIF Donna,Katmoon, Ferd, Docelder.

    Obot is of two minds…

    wbboei ask a valid question.
    If the waffleman is making an effort to keep a quiet lid on American Jhiadists and just get the job done, I have nothin to be critical of.

    LJ, I have read in the Zazi case that there is a bit of tension between the NYPD-CTU and the FBI. Whats your take on the FBI having their investigation stunted by the NYPD-CTU? Much ado about nothing? Or this an example of thing you pointed out about co-operation?

  • TeakWoodKite

    How Chunky of ya Donna!!!

  • Ferd Berfle

    LMAO

    BOTUS loves bots
    this we know
    ’cause his beige book
    tells them so

  • Ferd Berfle

    It’s an Andy Warhol moment.

  • Sassy

    The fact that these terrorists are not smart, is one reason that combating them is frustrating.
    When all the background planning is exposed, it’s amazing that they ever succeed, and yet we know they do!
    With determination and some luck, maybe these villians will have more company in lock-up!

  • TeakWoodKite

    jwjr, it is alleged that Smadi, a person was in this country illegally, actually was as close as flipping the proverbial switch.

    There maybe a justifiable reason the evidence is immediatly known, as in the first WT attack, the southern district and Fitzgerald along with Mukasey were tight lipped as to not blow a cover.

    I would not suggest that the standards and law aren’t followed, just that when confronted this tactic, the laws will be tested.

    Larry’s point about pre/post 911 is a jewel because it illudes to the fact that the nature of the enemy has not changed. Still asymetrical, still making inroads into western culture.
    Exhibit A.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Sorry everyone , I left meat on the bone of Prime Obot.

    Prime Obot, since you choose to make this assertion that the glory goes to the One, because of the sacrifices of the angels in the trenches, then too, it is he who must bear the burden of the ulimate sacrifices of those who serve.

    Yet BO fails repeatedly to serve THEM well. Will you concede that his failures should not be shouldered by those angels in the trenches?

    The ants can have the rest of you….

  • TeakWoodKite

    jwjr, still in discovery but ran across this arrest warrent for Zazi

    You would know better than I, if the “Affidavit in Support of Complaint and Arrest Warrent” is solid or just a ham sandwich.

    I understand from the radio that the charges in Denver were dropped in favor of the ones in NY.

    Interested if you find any oddities in it.

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    Personally with the cases cited I want to see how they wash in out in Court. While cops try and do there best, the rush by brass and prosecutors to grab headlines many times screws these cases up.

    But a real terrorist not the rank amateurs will give even the best cop(s) a run for his money… So far so good though…

  • wbboei

    Larry– I am still not sold on the proposition that Obama is doing a good job on national security. This was in drudge this morning:

    (CNSNews.com) – Even though the Border Patrol now reports that almost 1,300 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border is not under effective control, and the Department of Justice says that vast stretches of the border are “easily breached,” and the Government Accountability Office has revealed that three persons “linked to terrorism” and 530 aliens from “special interest countries” were intercepted at Border Patrol checkpoints last year, the administration is nonetheless now planning to decrease the number of Border Patrol agents deployed on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Border Patrol Director of Media Relations Lloyd Easterling confirmed this week–as I first reported in my column yesterday–that his agency is planning for a net decrease of 384 agents on the U.S.-Mexico border in fiscal 2010, which begins on October 1.

    A Department of Homeland Security annual performance review updated by the Obama administration on May 7 said the Border Patrol “plans to move several hundred Agents from the Southwest Border to the Northern Border to meet the FY 2010 staffing requirements, with only a small increase in new agents for the Southwest Border in the same year.

  • wbboei

    If Obama gets no credit when our law enforcement and security personnel catch wannabe terrorists, would that mean he wouldn’t get the blame if they miss someone and we do get attacked?
    ——————————-
    My point is he should get credit for what he actually does, and not simply what he says, or worst of all the virtues people impute to him with no objective evidence.

    If you can show me that he was the one directing these sting operations, and there was no entrapment, then let us decide on that basis.

    Likewise, if I can show you that in the event we are attacked there were things he failed to do–like reducing the boarder guard protection and leaving 1300 miles unprotected where terrorists have crossed in the past, then he should get all the credit he deserves for that failure.

    Wouldn’t you agree?

  • Ladydawnelle

    Thanks Larry, this goes up on my Facebook page!

  • Ladydawnelle

    STOP IT YOU ALL! UGH THAT WAS SO GROSS TO WATCH!

    mm mmm mmm my arse!!

    O’Lielly’s word for the moment should be “indoctrinate”

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    I am not a big fan of how we are running our domestic security in the first place. Building the DHS as large as it is was going to be a drain on USG coffers and was no doubt destiny. Of course if there are going to be cuts in funding you can imagine the internal struggles going on and the weakest will be eaten by the monster… CBP is for the most part on the lower end of the DHS food chain….

  • TeakWoodKite

    Yes, I would. I would be curious of the current working relationship of the current AG and the Mueller.

    You may find it difficult to get answer from Obot, after what the fire ants did.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You may find it difficult to get answer from Obot, after what the fire ants did.

    Obots can’t respond to questions because they aren’t programmed for two-way discussion, much like a TelePrompTer and That One, himself.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

    Oh Peggy Sue… Peggy Soo-oo-ooh…

    “If we’re attacked on his watch, his presidency is over. I’m sure Obama and WH staff know that.”

    You don’t think Bush and Cheney were aware of that same political reality during their time in office?

    Must we politicize everything nowadays… including the effective protection of the homeland?

  • TeakWoodKite

    “protection of the homeland?”

    Isn’t the use of the word ‘homeland’ out of charecter for you?

    Hows Baltimore?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Pity, that is. Obot will only amount to a footnote in the archaeological record.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

    I don’t know how Baltimore is, but L.A. is blazing hot.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Some scientist will pick up its metalloid carcas, ask, “where did this rubbish come from”, and pitch into the nearest dust bin.

  • Ferd Berfle

    He’s really undercover bot marxist, hence his use of the term homeland. Never did understand why Chimpy McFlightsuit used such a term in the first place.

    Homeland Security is truly neither.

  • Donna Brazile

    mmm…mmm…mmmm
    Wanna be blackman
    loves him some That One
    mmm… mmm….mmmm

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