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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting little nugget in Frank Rich&#039;s column in the NYTimes [who I rarely read, but this column is actually worth reading]:

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Fred Kagan, an official adviser to McChrystal who, incredibly enough, freelances as a blogger at National Review...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

There are numerous other political advisors to Gen. McCrystal, as well. Trying to track policy in today&#039;s politicized environment is increasingly difficult: 

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/07/31/winning_hearts_and_minds_all_of_mcchrystals_advisors

Also See Here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/opinion/27rich.html?_r=1&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss

And Here:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjRhYzk0N2UxM2U2MzZiMGJmODljMjM1MWY1NTBkMzY=

&lt;em&gt;&quot;If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?&quot;
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting little nugget in Frank Rich&#8217;s column in the NYTimes [who I rarely read, but this column is actually worth reading]:</p>
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<blockquote>&#8220;Fred Kagan, an official adviser to McChrystal who, incredibly enough, freelances as a blogger at National Review&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>There are numerous other political advisors to Gen. McCrystal, as well. Trying to track policy in today&#8217;s politicized environment is increasingly difficult: </p>
<p><a href="http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/07/31/winning_hearts_and_minds_all_of_mcchrystals_advisors" rel="nofollow">http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/07/31/winning_hearts_and_minds_all_of_mcchrystals_advisors</a></p>
<p>Also See Here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/opinion/27rich.html?_r=1&#038;partner=rssnyt&#038;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/opinion/27rich.html?_r=1&#038;partner=rssnyt&#038;emc=rss</a></p>
<p>And Here:</p>
<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjRhYzk0N2UxM2U2MzZiMGJmODljMjM1MWY1NTBkMzY=" rel="nofollow">http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjRhYzk0N2UxM2U2MzZiMGJmODljMjM1MWY1NTBkMzY=</a></p>
<p><em>&#8220;If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?&#8221;<br />
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn</em></p>
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		<title>By: VinceP</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the heck is a &quot;neocon&quot;?

And who cares what they think.

What do our enemies think? And more importantly, what do our betrayed allies think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck is a &#8220;neocon&#8221;?</p>
<p>And who cares what they think.</p>
<p>What do our enemies think? And more importantly, what do our betrayed allies think?</p>
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		<title>By: Susanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to find out if election fraud was commited in your state? It was in mine and VA, TX etc. Check this out and find out what YOU can do as a citizen.

http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/the-cheese-stands-alone/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to find out if election fraud was commited in your state? It was in mine and VA, TX etc. Check this out and find out what YOU can do as a citizen.</p>
<p><a href="http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/the-cheese-stands-alone/" rel="nofollow">http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/the-cheese-stands-alone/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wbboei</title>
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		<dc:creator>wbboei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHV: glad you are back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHV: glad you are back.</p>
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		<title>By: SHV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Iranian threat may be non-existent and the missile shield unproven, but the military-industrial-congressional complex has triumphed once again. The United States has spent more than $100 billion over the past 50 years in its pursuit of a national missile defense. So much for pragmatism!&quot;
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That&#039;s the bottom line...all of the gnashing of teeth about policy is so much Bullsh*t.

After a lot of problems, they finally managed to &quot;hit&quot; a few test warheads that were launched at a known time,  on a known trajectory and didn&#039;t have even the most &quot;primitive&quot; decoys.  The Military and contractors then declared &quot;success&quot; and the system, that doesn&#039;t work, was deployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Iranian threat may be non-existent and the missile shield unproven, but the military-industrial-congressional complex has triumphed once again. The United States has spent more than $100 billion over the past 50 years in its pursuit of a national missile defense. So much for pragmatism!&#8221;<br />
**********<br />
That&#8217;s the bottom line&#8230;all of the gnashing of teeth about policy is so much Bullsh*t.</p>
<p>After a lot of problems, they finally managed to &#8220;hit&#8221; a few test warheads that were launched at a known time,  on a known trajectory and didn&#8217;t have even the most &#8220;primitive&#8221; decoys.  The Military and contractors then declared &#8220;success&#8221; and the system, that doesn&#8217;t work, was deployed.</p>
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		<title>By: wbboei</title>
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		<dc:creator>wbboei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This author is obviously an apologist for the current administration.  

According to his biography he is an adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins.  Coincidentally perhaps the presumed architect of Obamas policy is a tenured professor at that institution--Zbigniew Brzezinski.
 
If I understand his position he is concerned with not provoking Putin, has little confidence in the efficacy of the shield and sees no threat extant emanating from Iran.

I think his arguments are pretextual. What he is arguing in favor of is a reduction of US military protection with respect to Europe. Also, he is yielding to Russian hegemony in the region.

There are reasons to reduce our commitment at this time.  The most obvious reason is we cannot afford it.  Cost sharing vs abandonment should have been considered by this administration.

However, the abandonment of an ally is never a good thing.  Our word was given and it is not being kept. The inevitable effect is to reinforce a growing suspicion throughout the world that the United States cannot be trusted and allies are expendable.
  
Also, I note with interest that shortly after Obama gave Putin what he wanted, Putin agreed to see Obama contributors General Electric, Goldman Sacks and a private equity firm.  Another Rezko deal?
 
Finally, one need not be a neocon to understand the significance of a missile defense system in a world where countries like Brazil and Venezuela are contemplating nuclear weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This author is obviously an apologist for the current administration.  </p>
<p>According to his biography he is an adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins.  Coincidentally perhaps the presumed architect of Obamas policy is a tenured professor at that institution&#8211;Zbigniew Brzezinski.</p>
<p>If I understand his position he is concerned with not provoking Putin, has little confidence in the efficacy of the shield and sees no threat extant emanating from Iran.</p>
<p>I think his arguments are pretextual. What he is arguing in favor of is a reduction of US military protection with respect to Europe. Also, he is yielding to Russian hegemony in the region.</p>
<p>There are reasons to reduce our commitment at this time.  The most obvious reason is we cannot afford it.  Cost sharing vs abandonment should have been considered by this administration.</p>
<p>However, the abandonment of an ally is never a good thing.  Our word was given and it is not being kept. The inevitable effect is to reinforce a growing suspicion throughout the world that the United States cannot be trusted and allies are expendable.</p>
<p>Also, I note with interest that shortly after Obama gave Putin what he wanted, Putin agreed to see Obama contributors General Electric, Goldman Sacks and a private equity firm.  Another Rezko deal?</p>
<p>Finally, one need not be a neocon to understand the significance of a missile defense system in a world where countries like Brazil and Venezuela are contemplating nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as the saying goes.

&quot;Raytheon, we never forget who we are working for&quot;.

Poor bastard that lost a 5 billion Boeing account. 

Isn&#039;t the &quot;umbrella concept&quot;, is in part, based on this concept of missle defense, that the SOS has spoken about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as the saying goes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Raytheon, we never forget who we are working for&#8221;.</p>
<p>Poor bastard that lost a 5 billion Boeing account. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the &#8220;umbrella concept&#8221;, is in part, based on this concept of missle defense, that the SOS has spoken about?</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More to the article, that which Eisenhower saw as a military industrial complex might have been more aptly termed lobbying influence. The military complex is no worse than any other special interest group that has found that the power of congress doesn&#039;t lie in being elected, but it can be bought as needed. Fast forward to today and the senate and oval office are equally for hire. Eisenhower was only partly right, we are in danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More to the article, that which Eisenhower saw as a military industrial complex might have been more aptly termed lobbying influence. The military complex is no worse than any other special interest group that has found that the power of congress doesn&#8217;t lie in being elected, but it can be bought as needed. Fast forward to today and the senate and oval office are equally for hire. Eisenhower was only partly right, we are in danger.</p>
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		<title>By: ~~JustMe~~</title>
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		<dc:creator>~~JustMe~~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so right!</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think more the opposite. Biden with all his baggage is there for a reason. What would possibly make him worth the collateral damage that comes when he speaks? Remember these type stories?

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/bdein_ties_to_tehran/2008/08/26/125165.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think more the opposite. Biden with all his baggage is there for a reason. What would possibly make him worth the collateral damage that comes when he speaks? Remember these type stories?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/bdein_ties_to_tehran/2008/08/26/125165.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/bdein_ties_to_tehran/2008/08/26/125165.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I recognize that establishment bigwig types would probably look down their noses at the likes of Christopher Bollyn, he has a very interesting and very different take on Obama&#039;s decision.  He thinks the Israelis are behind it.

http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_11433

This is all very confusing...except for one part....

&quot; In stopping the missile shield technology for East Europe that was nowhere near ready and would have directed $5 billion to the Boeing Corporation, the Obama administration has endorsed dozens of interceptors for U.S. ships in the North and Mediterranean Seas in 2011 as well as interceptors for West and East Europe in 2015 that will direct $5 billion to the Raytheon and Lockheed corporations.&quot;

So Obama isn&#039;t saving any money; he isn&#039;t disarming; he probably made Boeing mad and he did a deal...with someone.  Who?  Where&#039;s the transparency people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I recognize that establishment bigwig types would probably look down their noses at the likes of Christopher Bollyn, he has a very interesting and very different take on Obama&#8217;s decision.  He thinks the Israelis are behind it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_11433" rel="nofollow">http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_11433</a></p>
<p>This is all very confusing&#8230;except for one part&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8221; In stopping the missile shield technology for East Europe that was nowhere near ready and would have directed $5 billion to the Boeing Corporation, the Obama administration has endorsed dozens of interceptors for U.S. ships in the North and Mediterranean Seas in 2011 as well as interceptors for West and East Europe in 2015 that will direct $5 billion to the Raytheon and Lockheed corporations.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Obama isn&#8217;t saving any money; he isn&#8217;t disarming; he probably made Boeing mad and he did a deal&#8230;with someone.  Who?  Where&#8217;s the transparency people?</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His town halls are some sort of a hybrid between a hellfire sermon and an amway meeting. Fired up?... ready to go?... fired up?... ready to go? I guess it&#039;s simple pleasures for simple minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His town halls are some sort of a hybrid between a hellfire sermon and an amway meeting. Fired up?&#8230; ready to go?&#8230; fired up?&#8230; ready to go? I guess it&#8217;s simple pleasures for simple minds.</p>
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		<title>By: ~~JustMe~~</title>
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		<dc:creator>~~JustMe~~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and get fired up and ready to go? UGH I am tired of living in a fantasy world of silly quotes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and get fired up and ready to go? UGH I am tired of living in a fantasy world of silly quotes!</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know who Barack is, he is the candyman. ;)&lt;blockquote&gt;The candyman can cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good.
And the world tastes good cause the candyman thinks it should&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, I think Obama is baiting Israel to strike first and will then intercede during the strike on the behalf or Iran in the name of the UN and the order of law. I think this is what Biden was saying about being tested and about us needing to trust him because it wouldn&#039;t be apparent that this would be the right thing to do. Maybe we might ought to gird our loins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know who Barack is, he is the candyman. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<blockquote>The candyman can cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good.<br />
And the world tastes good cause the candyman thinks it should</p></blockquote>
<p>But, I think Obama is baiting Israel to strike first and will then intercede during the strike on the behalf or Iran in the name of the UN and the order of law. I think this is what Biden was saying about being tested and about us needing to trust him because it wouldn&#8217;t be apparent that this would be the right thing to do. Maybe we might ought to gird our loins?</p>
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		<title>By: helenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>helenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100010499/barack-obama-president-pantywaist-restores-the-satellite-states-to-their-former-owner/

this does not sound good for this country

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100010499/barack-obama-president-pantywaist-restores-the-satellite-states-to-their-former-owner/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100010499/barack-obama-president-pantywaist-restores-the-satellite-states-to-their-former-owner/</a></p>
<p>this does not sound good for this country</p>
<p>WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS</p>
<p>PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE</p>
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