Comments on: Intelligence Vets Back Torture Probe

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:01:12 +0000

Join the ‘REAL WORLD’!!! They want to prosecute the
wrong people!!!

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:58:20 +0000

It’s all POLOTICS!!!! Holder is working at the behest of Pelosi & her gang of…..! This is bullshit
pure & simple, A number of the so called”professionals” who signed this memo to Holder
are nothing but jokes!!! Check each one’s background,
That will answer a lot of questions!!!

By: graywolf

graywolf — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:53:04 +0000

“Rule of law” means rule of law, not just laws you don’t like.
The three people I referenced all committed significant crimes (manslaughter for the senator) and received reward, not punishment.
By that standard, the CIA “torturers” should receive medals and a pension.

By: Phil

Phil — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:16:11 +0000

Mary Jo comes to mind

By: BlueX

BlueX — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:19:33 +0000

I’m curious.
Who did Ted Kennedy torture?

By: graywolf

graywolf — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:04:14 +0000

I’m curious.
Did you want rule of law for Teddy Kennedy?
Bill Ayers?
Tim Geithner?

By: johnhkennedy

johnhkennedy — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:03:33 +0000

The efforts of these Intelligence Veterans is appreciated.

The rest of us could help them
by doing weekly protests and vigils to keep Torture Prosecution in front of the voters. If we can get indictments for torture it will lead to investigations for other Bush/Cheney crimes. Torture is the admitted and obvious low hanging fruit.

Get out in the streets in front of your Congressional Representative’s office and raise hell.

Start your own “prosecution” protest group.

KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS
“WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?”
If they aren’t actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture and a dual standard of Justice.

SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
prosecution for all those leaders
in Bush’s Administration that Conspired to Torture at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

Only Prosecution Stops Torture,
Abuse of Power, our Constitution, & Rule Of Law

By: Zoom

Zoom — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:53:32 +0000

“All I ask is that we think about those exceptional situations where strict adherence to those rules fails to produce information necessary to saving lives.”

For those occasions, we have Jack Bauer with a blowtorch standing by at FOX’s “24″, Leon Panetta has his number.

By: graywolf

graywolf — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:50:48 +0000

Another self-righteous missive from a group that confuses their dislike for the Bush people with the fact that even a blind squirrel finds a nut – once in a while.

Bush may have been pretty incompetent, but in the aftermath of 9/11, not many people were ready to give Miranda rights and cookies and milk to terrorists.

All these intelligence people always forget one crucial thing:
The so-called “intelligence” agencies MISSED 9/11.
Major league fuck up.

By: Docelder

Docelder — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:28:39 +0000

This is why we have “The One” as President. Stupid ass politics, tit for tat payback and just plain ignorance. We really have become a nation of hapless sheep.

By: wbboei

wbboei — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:26:02 +0000

I agree. We must “stand up for Geneva Conventions, the Constitution, the Conventions Against Torture, signed by President Reagan, and the rule of law.”

Many of you have insights into this subject that I do not have. I respect that.

All I ask is that we think about those exceptional situations where strict adherence to those rules fails to produce information necessary to saving lives.

That is where the judicial remedy enumerated above makes sense, at least to me.

By: wbboei

wbboei — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:10:42 +0000

Admiral Burke who was the great destroyer commander of World War II once said that any commander who does not exceed his orders when circumstances require him to do so is not worth much, etc. That principle suggests that we would not want to tie the hands of the interrogators too tightly when the survival of the nation or major populations is at threatened and the threat is deemed imminent.

By: Surfered

Surfered — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:08:59 +0000

To McGovern, Johnson, et al:

Thank you for standing up for Geneva Conventions, the Constitution, the Conventions Against Torture, signed by President Reagan, and the rule of law.

Let me know if I can be of service in this regard.

Ed Reed
Surfered
US Army 1970-1972

By: wbboei

wbboei — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:34 +0000

Obama is a master of sweeping allegations without supporting proof. The other day here on this site one of his supporters applied the same tactic which I pointed out was sophistry. But sophistry wears no political label. Republicans are capable of it too. The allegation has been put forward that the extreme interrogation techniques produced information not obtainable through other means that prevented a second attack. If that is true then it flies in the face of the canard Earl Warren was famous for in the context of the Miranda case that torture never produces valid information because they will say anything to avoid further torture. You hear that from others as well. And it may well be true in the majority of cases but was it true in this case. In other words, did it actually prevent a second attack and what evidence is there to substantiate it. If an investigation goes forward that question needs to be addressed.

By: jwrjr

jwrjr — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:14:28 +0000

If Obama doesn’t block the investigation, Pelousy will. It wouldn’t do for her complicity in the abuses (as an enabler, if nothing else) to be revealed in this investigation.