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Bloggers Who Think Dig Into Obama Mortgage Loan Story

Amid the chorus of “nothing to see here, move along” flock of bloggers writing ho-hum responses to today’s Washington Post story, there are a few who are thinking deeper:

  • Our TexasDarlin pointed out the favorable treatment the Obamas received compared to the “neglected slums” of their impoverished neighbors in unimaginably horrific “public” housing that Obama helped privatize so that his rich longtime buddies — like Tony Rezko and Allison Davis — could scoop up tens of millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money while the properties were left in such disrepair that many became uninhabitable.
  • LisaB addressed the mysterious payments of property taxes for the Obamas.
  • Now, Flopping Aces resurrects the mystery of Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi who helped an in-debt Tony Rezko (in exchange for what?) around the time Rezko somehow managed to help the Obamas buy their mansion:

    While there is no evidence that the bank in question had a program like Countrywide did, it sure does smell like political favoritism. Not as big of a deal as Johnson’s, Dodd’s, and Conrad’s, but you combine that with Tony Rezko’s involvement in the house deal when Rezko did not have the money to buy the property (at which point Iraqi financier Auchi comes in) and you get a fishy smell.

Ah. Nadhmi Auchi. Flopping Aces, a few months ago, reported:

Who is Auchi? He is an associate of Saddam’s who gave Rezko some big bucks and soon after receiving those big bucks Rezko helped Obama purchase a new home by buying the empty lot next to it at the same time. Auchi was convicted of fraud in France and was banned from entering the US in 2005. …

How in debt is Tony Rezko? During his federal trial, in March 2008, it was reported he is $50 million in debt. In fact, ABC News used this headline, which I cited in my story, “ABC News: Rezko $50 million in debt [Updated x3]“:

Rezko In Debt $50 Million; How Did He Afford Obama Lot?
Court Transcript Says Rezko Depends on Family Handouts of $7,500 a Month

In the same story, I wrote:

[F]rom the ABC News summary: Rezko “told the judge he had no current source of income, saying his last business deal involving a proposed power plant in Iraq had been cancelled.” That venture involved convicted Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi. See Larry Johnson’s story, Will Rezko Blow Up Obama?

Of course, the Rezko scandal hasn’t derailed Obama, so protected by the media. If the Clintons were similarly indebted to an indicted (and now convicted) slumlord who bilked taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of dollars, you’d hear the story ad nauseum.

Here’s more from my March story that owed much to ABC investigative reporter Brian Ross’s digging — including the laughable purchase of the adjacent lot by Mrs. Rezko, who had no financial means and obviously couldn’t rely on her heavily in-debt husband — which begs the QUESTION: Who supplied the money that enabled the Rezkos to make possible the purchase of the Obamas’ $1.6 million mansion?

Rezko’s bleak financial picture raises the question of how the Rezkos were able to buy a vacant lot adjoining the home of Sen. Barack Obama in 2005, at a time Rezko says he was already in deep debt.

Rezko also reveals in the testimony, before Judge Amy St. Eve on Jan. 16, 2007, that he already knew he was under federal investigation at the time of the land purchase and had hired a criminal defense attorney to deal with the “feds.”

Obama says he sought Rezko’s help because the house he wanted to buy in Chicago’s Hyde Park came with an adjoining lot the seller wanted to sell at the same time.

Unable to afford it himself, Obama says Mrs. Rezko bought it for $625,000, and then later sold a strip of the lot back to Obama so he would have a larger yard. Obama says he paid Mrs. Rezko a fair market price. …

Here’s a bit more from the ABC News story:

… Mrs. Rezko makes $37,500 a year.

[...]

According to the transcript, Mrs. Rezko sold the vacant lot a few weeks before the hearing, with all proceeds going to pay previous debts.

Asked how he was able to pay his lawyer, Joseph Duffy, Rezko said family and some unnamed “friends” were paying his legal bills.

Duffy told the judge, “Mr. Rezko has not provided us any money since his indictment.”

Rezko told the judge he had no current source of income, saying his last business deal involving a proposed power plant in Iraq had been cancelled.

He said he had an ongoing relationship with Nadhmi Auchi, a London-based Iraqi billionaire convicted on French fraud charges, who Rezko described as a close friend and business associate. …

Okay, you “professional” journalists — like Politico’s Ben Smith who calls the Washington Post story “padded” and is done with it:

– Tell me how the Rezkos got the money to enable the Obamas to buy the mansion they couldn’t afford.

– Tell me that Nadhmi Auchi’s money didn’t give the Rezkos the funds they needed to buy the vacant lot required for the Obamas to close the sale on the mansion.

– Tell me what Nadhmi Auchi got out of helping Tony Rezko. Billionaires don’t get that rich by helping desperate businessmen who are under federal indictment and facing long prison sentences.

– Tell me that major Obama campaign contributor Susan Crown, on the Board of Directors of Northern Trust mortgage company since 1997, didn’t make a phone call or two to make sure the Obamas got a favorable mortgage loan.

– Tell me why Barack Obama promised Maytag workers he’d fight for their jobs and took their hard-earned money for his campaign, then turned around and got a big donation from Maytag board member Lester Crown (as well as his family and friends), but never said a word to Crown about saving those workers’ jobs?

And, while we’re at it:

– Tell me why state senator puppetmaster Emil Jones put Barack Obama on the state senate pensions committee for three months, during which time that committee defeated an effort to consolidate state pensions? At the same time that Tony Rezko was fighting the consolidation because it would have defeated his schemes for dipping into individual minority-owned pension management companies.

Dear readers, if you want to know more about Nadhmi Auchi and Tony Rezko, click here. We’ve been on these stories since last year.

Again: If Nadhmi Auchi were involved with Hillary Clinton, every American would know his name and his sordid dealings with Saddam Hussein, his conviction in France, and his billionaire status.

But it’s rare that a journalist gets to write about stories like these, let alone get any prominent coverage of his or her story.

  • sfhillary

    Oh, spare me. Obama got favorable loan terms because he’s a phenomenal credit risk — zero debt, substantial savings, huge dual income. Take those into account and his loan rate is typical. Grow up.

  • anonymous

    “Bloggers Who Think” being an oxymoron if anyone is referring to pro Obama bloggers. ;)

  • Diana

    Perhaps while they’re digging they can come with just how did he and Michelle put a 6 figure downpayment on the condo? Wasn’t the advance from his book it was only 40K and had to be given back.

  • http://psychobabbleandpotpourri.blogspot.com/ Mary

    I’d really like to know who his “friends and family” are who are paying his legal fees. Gee, ya think it’s anything like the Scooter Libby Defense Fund???

  • anonymous

    Did you read the article? The loan terms are only one aspect of this story.

  • andySF

    No it’s not. The typical nrate would be higher than average beecuase the loan amount is higher than 650k. It means a 6.25% at best. That’s with 40%-50% down payment, with 740 Fico or higher and no bad debt. It’s also that 30% of your income towards paying the loan. So go B.S. someone who are dumb enough to be fool by you. I can see that you are blind to any truth that may be related to Obama.

  • Zeke

    Your ignorance of this means we don’t need to read your stuff. When you’ve caught up, come back.

  • HARP

    Ever wonder why the MSM never get the latest dirt story out? Check the names of his contacts.

    http://www.akpmedia.com/ourHistory/index.html

  • sonia

    Who’s next under the bus?

    1. Rep. Alice Palmer, 12/18/95
    2. Bill Clinton, 6/15/07
    3. New Hampshire Voters, 1/10/08
    4. Hillary Rodham Clinton, 1/12/08
    5. Black superdelegates, 2/15/08
    6. Louis Farrakhan, 2/26/08
    7. Austan Goolsbee, 3/3/08
    8. Samantha Power, 3/8/08
    9. Geraldine Ferraro, 3/11/08
    10. His grandmother, 3/18/08
    11. Michigan voters , 3/19/08
    12. Typical white persons, 3/20/08
    13. Asian supporters, 4/7/08
    14. Clingy, bitter Pennsylvanians , 4/11/08
    15. Rev. Wright , 4/29/08
    16. West Virginia voters , 5/9/08
    17. Kentucky voters , 5/16/08
    18. Father Pfleger , 5/29/08
    19. Democracy , 5/31/08
    20. His church , 6/1/08
    21. Roy LaVerne Brooks, 6/3/08 22. Tony Rezko , 6/3/08
    23. Bill Ayers , 6/9/2008
    24. Jim Johnson , 6/11/08
    25. Black fathers, 6/13/08
    26. Muslim women, 6/18/08
    27. Campaign-finance reform, 6/19/08
    28. Liberal blogosphere, 6/25/08
    19. Michael Klonsky, 6/26/08
    30. Gun control, 6/28/08
    31. Gen. Wes Clark, 6/30/08
    32. MoveOn.org, 6/30/08
    33. Welfare recipients, 7/1/08

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

    The best I’ve read yet.

    barky only had to put up $1000 dollars in earnest money with the contract.

    We had to put up on the first crack house we bought worth 150k, not a 1.6 mil mansion.

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    put up $1000 on the first

  • sonia

    $7/hr

    how is that working out for ya??

  • ChumpedDemocrat

    Way to go Susan UnPC! I thought I knew “all” the details from my sleuthing for many months, but these are new to me:

    1. E. Jones put bHo on the State Pension Committee for 3 months, just long enough to do Rezko’s bidding. Defeat an effort to consolidate state pensions so Tony boy could continue to use the minority pension funds for his various nefarious schemes. I would love to know the source for this one.
    2. Susan Crown, a bHo major contributor and whose family owned Maytag, was on the board of bHo’s mortgage company that gave him a deal on The Mansion.

    It is efforts like yours, Larry’, and others at noquarterusa that will finally tip over the slime bucket. Also your readers should go to SavagePolitics for a further insight into CNN – the Communist News Agency.

  • Patrick Walker

    sfhillary is correct in this case. Anyone with the Obama family’s situation would receive similar treatment. They sold their previous home for a profit, annual incomes in excess of 500k a year, long term employment prospects, a $2M book deal, no credit card debt, etc.

    The only real issue is to ensure Congress looks into this type of discounting as a form of corruption.

    This is a non-issue with regards to Obama. It’s a distraction from his real problems. His overall unelectibility and his repeat of the Kerry political strategy.

  • Linda

    And don’t forget, he made his bed before he got to the US Senate.

    As covered in Harper’s Barack Obama Inc,aka, The Birth of a Washington Machine,
    http://harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

    Clearly noted how the new financial backers brought to his US Senate Campaign, from former Clinton money backer in Chicago 2003/2004, they were pleased with his votes from the beginning. He already advsd them where he would stand, they knew he was going to vote against the Bankruptcy Bill, but the ever more important piece that was separated, the Interest Caps, he voted against. And they noted his repayment with glee.

    I’m sure everyone remembers that one. I was thrilled when Hillary brought it up in the debates. That Obama talks (as usual) empty rhetoric, but when it comes time for committment and work, he doesn’t follow through. I bet he’s a lousy lover. Anyhooo, back on track. While he’s getting lower rates than offered to the public, he’s passing laws saying the Financial industry should NOT be restricted on how much they can charge debtors. And again, ringing hollow, pledges of predatory lending and college loans. Yet he walked away from protecting them when the Bill came up in the Senate to not allow charging more than 30 percent. And you wonder how college kids were paying 32 percent, huh?

  • Bill Ohio

    Andy obviously missed the memo that you all were supposed to *support* the Washington Post Article because he said;

    No it’s not. The typical nrate would be higher than average beecuase the loan amount is higher than 650k. It means a 6.25% at best. That’s with 40%-50% down payment, with 740 Fico or higher and no bad debt. It’s also that 30% of your income towards paying the loan. So go B.S. someone who are dumb enough to be fool by you. I can see that you are blind to any truth that may be related to Obama.

    But the article said;

    On that date, HSH data show, the average rate in Chicago for a 30-year fixed-rate jumbo loan with no points was about 5.94 percent.

  • http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

    Yawn. Nobody in the Main Stream Media cares.

    Only way they do a news story on anything negative about Obama is if they are forced to and they will apologize while doing it.

    Welcome to the United States of Propoganda.

  • blankscreenobama

    Well, If he backed out on my house I don’t think I would keep the earnest money he has too many “friends” in Chicago.

  • andySF

    Anything over 650k is not a jumbo loan. It’s a super jumbo loan. I shouild know. I got one in 2005. Super jumbo is .5% higher than average jumbo. when’s the last time you got a loan over that amount? The artical don’t mean jack to me. My fico was over 740 and down payment was over 800k and i had to pay 6.25%. Now tell me how typical is 5.625% on a 1.32 million loan. There is no way you can get that loan in 2005. 2003 maybe, but not 2005. So stop your B.S., “informed voter”(not).

  • http://puma caligirl

    Obamaba:You might become our next President, Leader and Commander-in-Chief, but we
    the people know precious little about who you are, your ability to
    withstand pressure, your philosophy, sympathies and preferences, your
    experience and your judgment. During your recent campaigning we hear from
    you many wonderful words like unification of America, no more blue or red
    states, help to humanity, care for those that need care, and I applaud
    those words. If your words are supported by your past actions, then you
    might be the man for the job. If your words contradict or are unsupported
    by what you did before the Presidential race, then you are not what you
    say you are, right? In order to find that out I attempted to examine whom
    you hang out with, what words you and your friends were saying in private
    and in public and how all that can affect our lives…I cant imagine being
    a Jew and voting Obama.

    First, I decided to look who is endorsing you (according to the
    information that can be found on Internet), who likes where you stand on
    issues. I found among others a scaring host of anti-Semitic and
    anti-Israeli people and organizations:

    - Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam Leader, racist, anti-Semite)
    - Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Islamic Terror Organization)
    - Raila Odinga (Fundamental Islamic Candidate, Kenya, some say he is your
    cousin)
    - Daniel Ortega (Marxist Sandinista Leader, Nicaragua)
    - Raul Castro (Hard-line Communist Leader, Cuba)
    - Socialist Party USA (Marxist Political Party)
    - The New Black Panther Party (Black Militant Organization)
    - Hamas Terrorist Organization (Islamic Terrorist Organization).

  • http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

    There is alwaysmore to the story.
    Obama announced yesterday that he wants to expand President Bush’s Faith Based Programs that steers social service tax dollars to religious groups .Obamas pastor and mentor for 20 years Wright believes things like the government-funded programs are a “”necessary compensation”" —for the legacy of white racism,— part of what’s necessary to heal the wounds inflicted over four centuries on blacks.” Trinity has received at least $15 million in grants from the federal government — in other words, taxpayer money. . Is he trying to take care of his own at the taxpayers expense? Read all the shocking truths at:
    http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/obamasideaformoreslummoney.aspx

  • vinnie

    $7/hr

    how is that working out for ya??

    LMAO. Well stated.

  • Bill Ohio

    Oh, because all lone rates are national right?

    Little secret, depending on how much you held or committed to hold in a brokerage house, rates could go lower, much lower than the numbers being quoted here.

    I know.

    And there are things called internal rates, reserved for special no/super low risk clients.

    But I’m sure you knew all that.

    Informed by experience, just because you could not find a better deal, don’t assume they don’t exist for the rest of us.

    Yes I am Obama’s typical supporter..you figure it out.

  • Isolde

    This is a jumbo loan. There is no such thing as a jumbo without risk. They charge higher rates because it is more risk for a bank as it is the equivalent of several loans going bad. Jumbo loans are not common. Are Sen and Mrs Obama a good risk? Probably. But no mortgage is risk free. Things can happen to anyone with a mortgage that will lead to foreclosure. Divorce, loss of income, legal bills, catastrophic illness can affect anyone. Even the wealthy go broke.

    There are very specific rules for FDIC institutions to follow in loans. My question is were they met, and if not why? The taxpayers in an issue of a federally insured financial institution have the right to ask if loans met criteria set up to protect stockholders, depositors, and federal taxpayers who have to cover failed banks. This is why banks are supposed to be regulated.

  • believe

    The problem with the Post story is these were not particularly low rates.

    I got rates that low at the same time in history!! All you needed was a good credit rating (mine is excellent) and a good salary.

    Sure, they were below average, but so what? Most of the time a huge chunk of people get rates that are below average. Not everyone gets average because THAT’S HOW THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS. If everyone got the average rate, there would only be ONE rate. There isn’t one rate. Some get above and some get below.

    Given how much money they had in the bank, the rate, which was only slightly below average, was not unusual in the least.

  • believe

    Nope. Rates vary based on lots of circumstances and this was not out of line.

    The whole story reads like the journalist doesn’t even understand what an AVERAGE is — that some numbers are always above and others below. It’s scary how little these folks know about basic math and statistics.

  • believe

    What risk? He had $3 million in the bank in a trust. If he reneged on the loan, they had money right there they could take.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Just want to second this comment. The work being done here at No Quarter is absolutely crucial for our democracy.

    I can’t believe CNN went bonkers on SavagePolitics. What a bunch of jokes the CNN Posse are.

    CNN – Can’t Net Nielsens.

  • Bill Ohio

    I guess Bankrate.com and HSA disagree with

    you.

    “Stephens reported that the Obamas received an interest rate of “5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage.” Stephens later reported that Obama “secured his final mortgage commitment on June 8, 2005, and during that week, rates on similar loans for which information is available averaged 5.93 percent, according to HSH Associates, which surveys lenders. Another survey firm, Bankrate.com, placed the average at 6 percent.” The article continued: ” ‘It’s certainly safe to say that this borrower did better than average,’ said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president, noting that consumer rates vary widely. ‘It’s a good deal.’ “

    But wait …what if the average was 5.95% does that mean some loans were above and some below that number, why yes!


    But Stephens did not quote Gumbinger or anyone else saying that the mortgage rate the Obamas received constituted a discount from market rates or was the result of anything other than negotiation and bank policy.

    Indeed, the very concept of an “average” rate means that a substantial number of loans would have been at interest rates below the average level, as well as a substantial number above that level, and does not suggest that rates below average — if in fact the Obamas received a below-average rate — resulted from preferential treatment.

    Linky thing a ma jig…

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020003

  • believe

    Oh, Savage Politics, a site so slimy that John McCain won’t advertise on it. But you think it’s great!

  • Bertha

    The politics of (pocket) change; his pockets, our change.

    He becomes senator and his wife’s salary doubles and his book deal gets renegotiated by a whopping 5,575%!!!!! No wonder he looks down at the “bitter” white folk who don’t buy into his call for “change”.

  • believe
  • Latte Liberal for McCain

    He made that money on the books after they were in their Iraqi financed mansion.

  • Liberty Belle_never4Obama

    This may be tangentially related, except for how there’s a parallel in the news. The Colombian Army Commandos, with some help form the U.S., freed 15 hostages, from the FARC* guerilla camp in eastern Colombia including: 3 Americans, and 46-year old Ingrid Bentancourt, who ran for her country’s highest office six years ago, until she was captured.

    Note: Ms. Bentancourt said after her release that she still hopes to run for, and serve as president of her country one day…

    Can we petition the Colombian Army Commandos to help free another hostage closer to home? Can they free hostage Hillary Rodham Clinton from the Obama guerilla camp? Imagine the images from that…

    Free Hillary!
    *(FARC set up in ’60′s as local wing of Communist Party, then into cocaine growing, traffic, etc. Somehow, I feel there are parallels, but can’t quite put express it…)

  • Bill Ohio

    Book deals often get renegotiated when you do this..


    Obama received his first Grammy in 2005 for the audio recording of Dreams From My Father (Random House Audio, 2005).

    Please keep em coming this is too much fun!!

    By the way, he now as two!

  • Northwest rain

    Gee what happens when Obama goes to jail (and perhaps Mrs. Obama, as well)?

    Oopps — the loan tanks — see there is risk in a loan this big to a Chicago politician involved in the Pay to Play of the Chicago political (crime) machine.

  • Tricia

    Check this out go on Zillow.com (big realtor site) type Barack address and you will find sale history.

    In June 21, 2005 purchase price 1,650,000 paid

    In August 25, 2000 (previous owner) purchase price 1,650,000 paid

    Who 5 years later sells the house in the hottest real estate market (2005) for the same price they purchase the house for 5 years ago.

    Type in any address your own your friend and see if the house is the same purchase price 5 years (exactly)

  • WildChild

    They make money. He makes money. He gets elected president. They gets the number to bat phone in the oval office. Works out great for both of them.

  • Bill Ohio
  • Bill Ohio

    Except this was in 2005. Winning a grammy for spoken word just *might* be enough all on its own.

    Remember back then Hillary was 44!

    Sorry could not resist, the bat phone comment made me do it.

  • Tricia

    If he had so much money why did he need help from Resko?

  • Tricia

    Was his rate fixed he could took at 5 year ARM? which he rate would have been lower

  • WildChild

    BOBO took the stage in 2004 at the convention. They were banking on his new found popularity which was the result of 2004 and became the foundation for his Grammy. Not a prob. They make money. He makes money. He gets elected president. They gets the number to bat phone in the oval office. Works out great for both of them.

  • anonymous

    You never answered the allegation by WildChild that you are a racist Bill Gaza I mean Bill Ohio. ;)

    Comment by alibe4hillary | 2008-07-02 09:56:15

    Obama is not, nor has he ever been, far left. He is a person who capitulates to whatever forces he perceives as the most favorable to his rise to fame and fortune. And now those forces are corporate forces. He is a whore and a bore. Money talks and he has no principles. And the people behind him have agendas that are yet to be totally revealed. But they aren’t good, of that we can be sure.
    Reply to this comment

    Comment by HARP | 2008-07-02 10:02:26

    One thing he IS adamant about….Black Theology.
    Reply to this comment

    Comment by Bill Ohio | 2008-07-02 11:06:52

    New Record:

    27 Minutes from 9:35am article posting to first scary black man post at 10:02am, which has nothing to do with original post.

    New sport, Identify the first racist post!
    Reply to this comment

    Comment by WildChild | 2008-07-02 11:14:34

    Yes, we understand. Mention the word black in the context of BOBO. You’re a racist. But that would make your scary Black man comment racist Bill.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Slimy? If you call the TRUTH slimy, then I guess it is. Damn hopium daze. Makes everything look slimy when it mconcerns Obmabamadingdong!

  • terri

    Now, now, the bloggers at TL say there’s nothing going on with Obie and Rezko and his house deal, and don’t you think the Obama Kool-aid drinkers know best?
    Snark

    The MSM has announced that the Economy will be the biggest issue in the presidential race. Too bad the Dems pushed out the only candidate who could take the reins of the economy and totally turn it around. Ya think Obama knows anything about economics? Bwahaaahaaa!

  • Tricia

    This also what Zillow says about Obama property

    Please go to Zillow.com

    Transaction Not Included in Zestimate This transaction was not used in computing the Zestimate for this house due to anomalies we detected with this transaction. These anomalies can include unusual document or transaction types, sales between possibly related parties, unusually high or low transaction prices, or other data irregularities that might indicate the transaction is not a full-value, arms-length transaction.

  • terri

    Yah, he said today he’s going to have a Faith Based Initiative and Neighborhood Project office IN the WH and he’s going to create a new cabinet post for a Department of Faith–complete with a Minister of Faith!

  • believe

    Ha! That’s some good BS you’re doling out.

  • elise

    The loan issue aside, Tony Rezko is a problem for Obama. They first met when Obama was still in law school and their relationship continued until he was finally asked questions during his presidential campaign. He said he was “boneheaded” to get involved with the real estate deal and claimed he knew nothing about the federal investigation going on under his nose. Everyone else in Chicago seemed to know.

    He claimed Rezko was an “acquaintance”, so why did Rezko accompany him in a walk through before his purchase. As Susan pointed out, the adjoining land was purchased by Rezko’s wife for over $600,000 with a small income and the same day, sold a ten foot parcel of the land to Michele Obama for over $100,000 (not her husband) and this was done under a trust arrangement so the records weren’t publicly
    listed.

    Then there is the fact Obama represented Rezko on a charge brought by the city of Chicago for housing violations. Some of the slum apartments he owned had no heat in the middle of winter. Obama also wrote a letter with the letterhead of the State Senate of ILL. recommending a state grant for Rezko for low income housing.

    Rezko held fundraisers for Obama, and if you look at the list of donors for state senators, you will see Rezko’s name listed as a donor for Obama over and over again. From himself, his wife, his pizza restaurant and several other businesses owned by Rezko.

    There are other instances involving other people where questions should be asked and haven’t been. Maybe I just have a suspicious nature, but he appears ethically challenged to me. He isn’t running for dog catcher. He wants the most powerful job in the world and he can’t continue to dismiss questions with responses like, silliness, distractions and Washington politics. His problem is not in running a campaign like Kerry and moveing to the center.

    His campaign is trying to position him so that any question asked reflects attempts to smear or racism. If you want to believe he somehow was so niave he didn’t understand and was a bonehead, go right ahead, but you will find yourself in the minority when the convention is over.

  • anonymous

    Video:

    Is Obama a US Citizen?

    Worth watching! Might have more info on the birth certificate issue.

  • Tricia

    Sales History Sale History & Tax Info Sale

    Sale History
    06/21/2005: $1,650,000 *
    08/25/2000: $1,650,000 *
    No other sale data is available

    This came right from http://www.zillow.com

    This is Barack Obama Property

  • believe

    You folks are a JOKE.

    More strange theories that Hawaii wasn’t a state when he was born or that the mom had to be over 18 to be a citizen?

  • believe

    What’s the address?

  • blankscreenobama

    Thank you caligirl. He is the most dangerous man in America,

    First you have to start out with character. The man was disgusted by the people that raised him.

    That alone should show you the man is not to be trusted. Can you imagine if the man could screw someone that spent that much time and money on them and get screwed, what he would do to you??

  • Bill Ohio

    You all are too funny. I point out that in every article posted no matter what the topic Obama’s race becomes an issue and I am the racist, em ok. The “scary black man” is comment was a summary of the racist post here. They don’t come out and say “Obama can’t be president because he’s black” they just take every opportunity to point out that he is black and then use racist stereotypes to describe him. ie. Thug

    I will admit you are a step, no a half step above savage politics but just by a few inches. There are posters here who I beleive are not racist, but just as many who are.

    If my shining light on what I perceive to be the motivation for the “black ” post makes me a racist too, you do live in a strange, strange world.

    Like I have said before, for a group of people who claim to stand for principal you seem all too comfortable with this coalition of the convenient, including the obvious racist among you.

    There are a few, a very few who stand up and say. “thats a distraction” or “that’s out of bounds” and they deserve respect, but they are few, very few.

  • WildChild

    See that’s the thing bill. None of us are calling BOBO a scary black man. That came 100% out of you.

  • Bill Ohio

    Don’t forget ..

    He didn’t register for Selective Service, He’s citizen of Kenya and the still to be disclosed “whitey” tape.

    The hits keep on coming.

  • Lorey

    When other people are losing their homes BO gets a great deal with his mortgage and a better deal with his pal Rezko. And this guy wants to be President? Yeah maybe of the mortage company. Just say No to BO. He is dangerous and this is not a joke.

  • Tricia

    5046 Greenwood Avenue
    Chicago, Il 60615

    This is big

  • WildChild

    All BOBO has to do is produce his birth certificate. It’s just that simple.

  • blankscreenobama

    Hi Believe,

    What would you say about a man that is disgusted by the families culture that raised him. a scumbag?

    No,you would vote for him.

  • Bill Ohio

    Wildchild,

    That’s what the racist are trying to project, thats the point. You don’t come out and say “I’m going to scare you” you just keep doing and saying things to create the condition. If not then why do they inject it into EVERY article?

    Or did you forget the 2004 elections?

  • WildChild

    Didn’t a republican congressman from CA go to jail for “buying” marked down properties from one of his local backers? What was that guys name?

  • believe

    Funny! Obama hasn’t been named by any prosecutor as a person of interest.

  • believe

    He didn’t say he was disgusted. He was talking, in a more sophisticated and complex way than some can grasp, about how the grandmother who loves him dearly also had tension around black men. Some of us recognize that the world is not such a simple place.

  • AF catfish

    Hey McCain just visited Colombia and bam – 15 hostages are released, including 3 Americans and a French-Colombian female Senator. Colombia President Uribe apparently informed McCain last night of his planned hostage rescue operation.

    Will Larry write about this? Could this have been coordinated by the Bush Admin with Uribe to help McCain look good?

  • believe

    You have no idea if the database is even accurate or what the prices were in the area at the time or what other offers there were or if the sellers were particularly motivated.

  • AF catfish

    Duke Cunningham, skipper of the infamous Duke-stir yacht.

  • believe

    It wasn’t a particularly good deal, just 30 basis points below average.

    At any given time, many, many loans are made for below average rates. If all loans were made at average, there would only be ONE RATE. Perhaps it’s time to review basic math concepts.

  • believe

    And isn’t that a far more important instance of corruption than someone getting a rate that was completely within the typical range of mortgage rates?

  • believe

    He never said that. I answered in more detail above.

    BTW, are you going to vote for a candidate who is so filled with anger that a member of his party said he’s afraid of his temper and who called his wife a c**t in public?

  • blankscreenobama

    Believe, are you just a BOT you never answer any one of my questions. if (A) say racist if (B) say Hillary supports Obama 100%?

  • elise

    Where did you get your information, believe? He has refused to release his tax returns for those years. His wife said a few months ago they had only recently paid off school loans for both. His salary for the state senate was $55,000 and if you believe his own words, he was financially strapped after his 2000 campaign. During that same time period, his wife’s income was around $75,000/yr. Michele was vague about the amount of the school loans, but if they secured loans for both and all three years, that would amount to more than $400,000. His book deal amounted to $4mil and if you subtract the school loans and the down payment on the house, it will be interesting when his tax records are released and that will have to be done after(and if) he is nominated. I am really curious about the source of your information.

  • WildChild

    Sorry bill, not buyin it. We comment about BOBO’s crazy pastor or his racist church. You call us racists and say were trying to make BOBO out as the scary black man. Yet you progressives have no problem talking about all the crazy pastors (white guys) that have endorsed John McCain and talk shit about their churches (white churches), but you don’t consider yourselves to be racists. The funny thing is were both taking about crazy pastors and whacked out churches. But you are the only one talking about scary black men. That can only be because your a racist Bill.

  • blankscreenobama

    PLEASE ANSWER BOT

  • hank48188

    Obama had never done business with this company before getting the loan, he was a new customer.

  • WildChild

    nice try . That property should have at least doubled in value during that time period. Just about every other property in America did.

  • WildChild

    that’s it. Thanks Bro.

  • angry centrist

    Over at Alternet, someone wrote a little hit piece on Larry Johnson http://www.alternet.org/story/89339/?ses=88c4955a84efa4edd70d643e363b3404 It’s pretty shitty, but i thought it was interesting that the far left views Larry as enough of a threat to do a hit piece.

  • WildChild

    You’re kidding right?

  • elise

    Believe, do you feel comfortable with his name being frequently brought up in the trial of his close “acquaintance” and his name appearing on the prosecutors list of “officials” who had done business with Rezko?

    I hope you will be comfortable waiting for the sentencing of Rezko and possible indictment of the governor.

  • blankscreenobama

    Please answer- why you would support a man that would be raised very well with their time and money after being abandoned. by both parents and then turn against them and their culture?

    That was Obama’s first personality test-and he failed..

    Do you need to know more?

  • elise

    Bill; I bet my daddy has more money than your daddy. And I’m a Hillary supporter. Go figure. Your posts are like Obama’s speeches. No substance, all arrogance.

  • believe

    He didn’t turn against them. The premise of your question is flat out wrong.

  • blankscreenobama

    You never know we might get though to “believe” the pay per post is not that good (free) but at least you can sleep at night.

  • blankscreenobama

    Do you want some quotes from Obama’s books?

  • believe

    I checked and Zillow says they have NO DATA on the property.

    You just made that whole thing up!!!

  • Bill Ohio

    Was that a slip?

    “You progressives”

    Then into full throated defense of McCain.

    That aside, of course you would not believe it, your here. In your world the reference to Obama’s race the comments from every article posted here is just good ole conversation.

    You all don’t even realize it, the BoBo comments and stuff like that just further demonstrate your lack of human respect why, because you think due to his race he is less than you.

    To be candid, I don’t expect to change any deep seated resentments while hear but perhaps there are some who still linger here who are uncomfortable with what this place has become. Perhaps when faced with the obvious they can no longer ignore what they see and reject this kind of hate.

    Then again, if not, putting in time now will make the visits post Nov 5 that much more rewarding :)

  • jbjd

    As a part-time Illinois state senator, Barack Obama was being paid $8,000/month by Robert Blackwell, owner of EKI Consulting, for unspecified legal work, in exchange for which money Mr. Obama wrote a letter on state senate stationery recommending the state should fund Killerspin, a Blackwell company, to put on a table tennis tournament, withholding from his endorsement the material fact of the financial relationship between him and Blackwell. (The next day, Blackwell donated $1,000 to the senator’s campaign.)
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-killerspin27apr27,0,6789688.story
    P.U.M.A.

  • Chicago Joe

    Not specifically by name, but in code, he has been mentioned.

  • blankscreenobama

    Oh and I have some quotes from the founder of his church that you would really love esp. if you are white.

  • believe

    Sure. Are these reports from what he thought when he was 16 – when every adolescent has trouble with parents? And will you give CONTEXT or will you play the usual BS trick of using a small phrase?

  • believe

    I am white and I agree that white people oppressed black people. It sure wasn’t the other way around!!

  • andySF

    Are you telling me that loan of 1.32m have the same rate as loan of 320k? are you telling me that all 8 loans I have ranging from 300k-1.5m are back rates. I must be stupid since I don’t support Obama. When’s that last time a first time borrower gets the internal rate? If that wasn’t specail deal, I don’t know waht is. You just said it yourself, internal rate, not market rate. Don’t B.S. me. Are you telling me that ordinary people get internal rate? I don’t buy that average rate bs, but loan in that amount pay higher rate period. Whay would he borrow such a high amount if he had all those money. Why can he buy the whole thing instead of help from a crook? tell me.

  • blankscreenobama

    Hey ladies and men can I get a little help with some legit quotes. We might have believe have some doubts.

  • blankscreenobama

    You have oppressed black people you should be ashamed and turn yourself in.

  • apishapa

    We have heard again and again for months that we “can’t judge Obama by his associations” (crooks, terrorists and loco preachers), but by his “actions” and words. But set aside the fact that there are damned few accomplishments to speak of that Obama can rightfully claim. And that his words are often south of the truth.

    The few accomplishments he can claim, have all come because of favors and cash provided by those associations with crooks and terrorists. And most of his actions have benefitted those criminal associates, not those people his words promised he was working for.

  • blankscreenobama

    I figured you were a young fool. you cant make America pay for your guilt

  • blankscreenobama

    I agree with you we thew black people under the bus, just like Obama did with his white family.

  • jbjd

    I cannot get preoccupied with favorable mortgage interest rates while Rezko is staring me in the face. Can anyone tell me, how did this property on which the Obama’s house (or the real estate trust’s house) stand become divided in the first place? From what I have read, Michelle Obama sat on the Landmark Commission when she heard this house, which turned out to be the house of her dreams, was for sale. The Obama’s couldn’t afford to buy it; however, at some point, the seller decided to subdivide his property; sought permission from the Commission; and received their approval. Then, for some reason, the Obama’s closed on the house on the same day the Rezko’s closed on the adjacent land, part of the original plot.

  • elise

    Bill, if you want to use Media Matters and, by extension, David Brock to boost your arguments, you have lack of reguard for the truth. His nasty attacks on the Clinton’s and Anita Hill before his conversion from conservative to liberal and coming out prove his lies about others and himself.

  • blankscreenobama

    Wow he wrote that book when he was 16. I could be wrong about your god.

  • tampagurl

    jbjd, That whole deal stinks to high heaven.

  • andySF

    I am not white and I disagree. The system was set up to oppress black people. The welfare system was set up to oppress black people. The so call black leaders are the one that oppress black people. The so call liberal white are the one who oppress people. Bill’s welfare reform help a lot of black people find dignity. I was able to get welfare 20 some years ago. We as a family live in proverty, didn’t speak english and uneducated. We never applied, because that will kill our chance of ever suceeding in this country. We live in2008, not pre 1970. Reverse discrimination won’t help the black or the white, or anyone. Reverse racism do help the balck or anyone. Help should be giving base on economic hardship, not skin color. How can a race ever live up to it’s protential if they are always the victim. There aer plenty of successive black friends I had that I will never concider victims of any kind. Also, when you talk about slavery, the population of blacks account for 10%. And if every slave owner owns 10 slave on average, then only 1% of the white population were slave owners. How can you ask the other 99% whites to pay for the crime of just 1%(especially no the current generation? How about those slave trader who were African? How should they be punish? I can agree that black as a people were treated poorly in the past, but what do you think their life is like if they live in Africa today. They are American just like everyone else, you will never how lucky that is in the eyes of other around the world. They should make themself a force in this country, not victims.

  • andySF

    I mean to say reverse racism don’t help anyone.

  • blankscreenobama

    You think that Obamas grandmother oppressed him?

  • blankscreenobama

    Where is “believe” what a lot of looser trolls come to this site. bring on the UK idiot.

    sorry to hijack those people just piss me off!!

  • elise

    Believe, if your weren’t so disgusting in your condescension, I wouldn’t feel compelled to correct you so often. His speeches are not nuanced or sophisticated, they are plagiarized. Pick a speech, any speech, before he hired Ted Sorenson and I can show you important and repeated phrases taken from the speeches of Deval Patrick, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Wright, JFK or MLK.

    You may take what you want away from his comment about the woman who raised him being, “a typical white woman” and throwing out there a statement about her fear of Black men and his purpose? Who knows? It was an intentional and unnecessary addition to his speech which pointed to his self pity and his propensity to blame anyone and everyone for whatever slights he suffered in his life.

    If I recall, he began the statement with a disclaimer, she was good to me and she loved me, but…. And BTW, what is exactly a “typical white woman?” Or for that matter a typical white man, black woman, black man, doctor, lawyer, Indian chief?

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    I posted this on the other thread, but maybe someone here knows the answers to my questions.

    OK, help me figure this out (and these are rough off the top of my head numbers) Mrs Rezko (who made 37,000 a year) got a mortgage for about 650,000 for a strip of land. A couple of months later the Obama want to buy 1/6 of that property which is appraised at 40,000 (so the whole property was worth about 240,000) but so the Obama’s didn’t look like they were pulling a past one, they paid 1/6 of what R Rezko paid for the land) now 2 of my questions are
    1) When I got my house we were nervous waitng for the appraisal since we could not get a mortgage for more than the house was appraised for, incase you default the bank doesn’t want to lose a ton of money when they sell it). So..how did R Rezko get a 650,000 mortgage on a strip of land that being generous wasn’t appraised for any more than 300,000?
    (and how did she get a mortgage that big making 37,000)
    and 2) when she sold the 10 foot strip to the Obama’s the bank was the owner of the land, how was she able to get the bank to agree to subdivide that land?

  • believe

    Answer what?

  • believe

    I’m not so young – more than a half century. And, no I didn’t oppress anyone. But whites as a group have oppressed blacks as a category and that’s what the man said.

    But I’m certainly not going to defend all what Wright said. I think a lot was classless.

  • believe

    I agree with that!

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    Are they going to change the name of the White House to Hogwarts? His ministers are starting to sound like the Minsiters of magic

  • believe

    Funny!

  • believe

    He wrote about what he thought at that age.

  • believe

    No and that’s not what Obama said.

    I mentioned oppression in reference to what Wright said.

  • believe

    There are multiple studies that tell you what an average white person thinks. Just look them up. Google is your friend.

    However, I don’t like the concept much because it conflates a lot of differences within the category.

  • catseye
  • WildChild

    Yup, you progressives. LOL what’s even funnier about you progressives is that you’re so paranoid you view a comparison of two of the same behaviors as a “full throated defense of McCain.” So it’s not entirely surprising that you see hate and racism in all corners but your own.

    Until you can come to terms with your lopsided view of these same behaviors all of us are going to have to keep thinking that you are a racist, since like I said before, you’re the only one calling these black men scary and angry.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    “Just as he was eager to promote his first book to Ms. Hartman, he has made the most of his second. When his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention sent his memoir soaring out of obscurity and straight onto the best-seller list, he untethered himself from his longtime literary agent in favor of Robert B. Barnett, the Washington lawyer who had gotten Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton an $8 million book advance and then landed Mr. Obama a $1.9 million, three-book deal.”

    O don’t know how book deals work, but IF he got the 1.9 million dollars for a 3 book deal, would he get all that money BEFORE all the books were written?

  • catseye

    In 2005 Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million ($300,000 below the original price) on the same day that Rezko’s wife, Rita Rezko, purchased the adjoining empty lot from the same sellers for the full asking price.[30] Obama acknowledged bringing his interest in the property to Rezko’s attention,[31] but denied any coordination of offers. According to Obama, while the properties had originally been a single property, the previous owners decided to sell the land as two separate lots, but made it a condition of the sales that they be closed on the same date. Obama also said that the properties had been on the market for months, that his offer was the best of two bids, and that Ms. Rezko’s bid was matched by another offer, also of $625,000, so that she could not have purchased the property for less.[32] Obama’s description of the purchase was later confirmed by the previous owner of the house.[33]

    After it had been reported in 2006 that Rezko was under federal investigation for influence-peddling, Obama purchased a 10 foot (3.0 m) wide strip of Ms. Rezko’s property for $104,500, $60,000 above the assessed value.[30][7] According to Chicago Sun-Times columnist, Mark Brown, “Rezko definitely did Obama a favor by selling him the 10-foot strip of land, making his own parcel less attractive for development.”[34] Obama acknowledges that the exchange may have created the appearance of impropriety, and stated “I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it.”[32]

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    From the article above

    “By the time Mr. Obama landed at Times Books, he had a partial manuscript. He required minimal editing, said Henry Ferris, his editor, who is now a vice president and executive editor at William Morrow. He simply needed guidance in paring and shaping the sections already written and keeping the rest from becoming too long. The writing, Mr. Ferris said, “is very much his own.”

    The two worked mostly by telephone and by manuscripts sent by Federal Express between New York and Chicago. Mr. Obama, an inveterate journal writer who had published poems in a college literary magazine but had never attempted a book, struggled to finish. His half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, said he eventually retreated to Bali for several months with his wife, Michelle, “to find a peaceful sanctuary where there were no phones.”

    OK where did the Obama’s get the money before he wrote his first book, for both of them to take off from their jobs for a couple months to go to Bali to write his book?

    I thought they were just making ends meet with student loans and all.

  • andySF

    The why your comment on oppession of black people by white people? Electing someone for the color of their skin is wrong in any way. I personally voted again Asian who run in my district more than enough times because I don’t feel they sincerely care about the people in our district. I don’t see Obama care more about the people than the Clintons, or Maccain for that matter. That a insincere politician is what he is. Constitution, what? That was just a month, and his already stepping all over it. That’s who you want for the next 4 years?

  • catseye

    Stephens reported that the Obamas received an interest rate of “5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage.” Stephens later reported that Obama “secured his final mortgage commitment on June 8, 2005, and during that week, rates on similar loans for which information is available averaged 5.93 percent, according to HSH Associates, which surveys lenders. Another survey firm, Bankrate.com, placed the average at 6 percent.” The article continued: ” ‘It’s certainly safe to say that this borrower did better than average,’ said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president, noting that consumer rates vary widely. ‘It’s a good deal.’ ” But Stephens did not quote Gumbinger or anyone else saying that the mortgage rate the Obamas received constituted a discount from market rates or was the result of anything other than negotiation and bank policy.

    Indeed, the very concept of an “average” rate means that a substantial number of loans would have been at interest rates below the average level, as well as a substantial number above that level, and does not suggest that rates below average — if in fact the Obamas received a below-average rate — resulted from preferential treatment.

  • jbjd

    Oh, my god, wait a minute… What would normal appreciation have been in Chicago for this house? Is this amount close to the $625,000.00 the Rezko’s paid for the land? Could this be why the sellers insisted on closing on both sub-divisions at the same time, that is, they wanted to ensure receiving the benefit of their investment in the home they bought 5 years earlier? What prompted the seller to sub-divide the land in the first place? Why did Michelle Obama quit the Landmark Commission just after that board approved the sub-division of this plot? (I am tired tonight; hope this makes sense.)

  • believe

    So Obama’s rate was 30 basis points better than the average. However, the amount of the loan and the nature of the property are not the only factors that determine a mortgage rate. Another major consideration is the creditworthiness of the borrower. According to current rate quotes from myFICO.com, a borrower with very good credit can expect a mortgage rate about 30 basis points better than someone with pretty good credit, and a borrower with excellent credit can expect about a 50 basis point discount.

    Unless the Washington Post has access to Obama’s FICO score — and unless it has rented an apartment to him, it probably doesn’t — it is missing a pretty important piece of information on what Obama’s mortgage rate ought to have been. What was Obama’s FICO score? I don’t know, but considering that…

    * Obama had just gotten a $2.27 million book deal from Random House — about $1 million more than the value of the mortgage.
    * The Obamas each had exceptionally secure jobs that paid them a combined annual salary of about $500,000 per year.
    * The Obamas had just sold their condo, on which they had realized a $137,500 profit.
    * The Obamas were prominent public figures whose political futures depended in part on maintaining a reputation for responsibility and trustworthiness.
    * The Obamas are known to be relatively thrifty and have no credit card debt but substantial savings.

    …I would think that the Obamas were exceptionally creditworthy. So indeed, Obama received a “discount” — the same discount that any borrower in his position would have received.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/07/most-irresponsible-piece-of-journalism.html

  • jbjd

    Tricia posted this above.

    Sales History Sale History & Tax Info Sale

    Sale History
    06/21/2005: $1,650,000 *
    08/25/2000: $1,650,000 *
    No other sale data is available

    This came right from http://www.zillow.com

    This is Barack Obama Property

    I posted this reply.

    Oh, my god, wait a minute… What would normal appreciation have been in Chicago for this house? Is this amount close to the $625,000.00 the Rezko’s paid for the land? Could this be why the sellers insisted on closing on both sub-divisions at the same time, that is, they wanted to ensure receiving the benefit of their investment in the home they bought 5 years earlier? What prompted the seller to sub-divide the land in the first place? Why did Michelle Obama quit the Landmark Commission just after that board approved the sub-division of this plot? (I am tired tonight; hope this makes sense.)

  • Helen S

    sfhillary, Please tell us how you know all of this?Are you the personal accountant for the Obama’s. Oh and did you do the credit check.?

  • believe

    She made up all that.

    It isn’t on zillow. I checked the address she provided and the site said that NO DATA was available for the address.

    Tricia tried to pull our collective leg!

  • believe

    It must make you angry when people point out that lots of people pay less than the average.

    If no one paid less than the average, then, by definition, there would have to be only rate.

  • believe

    My statements are not contradictory. You can think, as I do that there has been oppression without thinking that the correct response is reverse racism.

    And, sure, Obama changed positions, as did Clinton in the primary and McCain as well. They all do that. That’s what politicians do.

    Oh, and so do regular people. I don’t think the same as I did every other year and month of my life. I change my mind sometimes.

  • Ellen

    his name was brought up ONCE during the trail. nothing more…end of subject.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    I was just reading this and coming here to post if no one else did

    “What does stand out as particularly irregular is the stated amount of the “Initial earnest money” (line 18); the handwritten amount is $1,000 “in the form of a personal check.” Not being sure how many readers would be aware, RBO asked the realtor if this would be considered an adequate amount due to the fact that the asking price on the townhouse was $1.9 million. The answer was a resounding “no”. Earnest money amounting to 1% would be $19,000. Do the math: $1,000 is 1/19th of 1%. Speaking of sweet deals”

    Please check out the mortgage documents at this link, lots of interesting info (this is on the condo)

  • Ellen

    its none of your business.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    ignore my comment above about this being the condo, the link is for the mortgage in 2005 and check out the sellers sigs on the 2 papers http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    from rezkowatch (where they have copies of the mortgage papers)
    But keep in mind, that 2005 income was for the whole year but not yet in the bank in January, when the townhouse Sale Contract was drawn up. The Obamas did not sell their Hyde Park condo until May 2005; its sale was not a sure thing. They did not close on the townhouse until June 15, 2005.

    As has been previously discussed, from whence came the $330,000 downpayment? From whence came the $165,000 earnest money seven days after the sellers accepted the Obamas’ offer?

  • jbjd

    How ‘inartful’ of you! Forced me to search this out and confirm the accuracy of Tricia’s information for myself… and I already told you, I am tired tonight! From now on, I will not “believe” a single thing you say…

  • Isolde

    Again let me explain. Wealthy people loose their wealth all of the time. Loose it in a divorce, lawsuit settlement and attorney fees, insanity, gambling, poor investments, fraud. Just because you have 3 mil today does not mean you have it tomorrow. This is why banks look at long term income, debt, credit history. And it required by law. Banks cannot make bad loans to pals, relatives, and cronies and expect stock holders, depositors, and taxpayers through FDIC to eat it.

    This was a huge loan, to a person who did not have a lengthy history of large earnings, or borrowing large amounts of money for business or personal use. These types of purchases for multi million dollar homes are usually for cash. Was this loan on the up and up? We do not have a full picture of it so we do not know. If this is a publically held bank insured by federal taxpayers we have a right to ask questions.

  • street_parade

    Erm, the story isn’t about his interest rate. It’s about the mysterious source of Mr. Rezko’s cash and how that cash found it’s way to buying a vacant lot next to Obama’s newly purchased mansion in 2005. Learn the name Nadhmi Auchi and, just like ‘Deep Throat’ told Woodward (before he was a hack) “follow the money”.

  • Zeke

    Let the record show that at 21:43:00 a TROLL fired off a race card response. This officially invalidates any posts by this pinhead for the remainder of the day.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=50904051
    I don’t know why you couldn’t find it altho they have 2 homes listed for the same property

  • Zeke

    well said, grasshopper
    One follows the money in this and whammo!

  • street_parade

    Studies that tell you what a ‘typical white person’ thinks? About what? The meaning of life? Their place in the universe? Alternative energy? Same sex marriage? Tattoos?

    Are there further studies on what a ‘typical black person’ thinks? How about the ‘typical Asian’? Or would THAT be racist?

  • Zeke

    For the last time today…
    It doesn’t matter what the rate was.
    What matters is that there were extraordinary circumstances tying two separately purchased, previously non-existent parcels. One’s sale was dependent on the other thus requiring that each property encumber the other. This means if one deal busts, the other deal goes into jeopardy along with it because neither the buyer or the bank guaranteeing him his money, can get the property back to recover losses.
    My understanding is that the sales agreement for Obama’s property doesn’t include any of these additional dictums.
    Bottom line:
    It is a crime to falsify the information on a loan application. All additional info MUST be revealed. Buyer(s) and seller MUST be equally informed regarding the deal. (this is why the seller may be complicit too)
    If Obama got any kind of sweetheart deal, and with all the extra whereto’s and whatfore’s in this thing, he had to… then it pretty much has to be fraud.

  • street_parade

    Actually, she did not say she was frigtened of black men…she said she was frightened of a black man (singular, specific).

    Believe, I’m shocked, shocked that you have not been studying your copy ‘Dreams of My Father’, for if you had you would know that Madelyn Dunham (typical white grandmother) had been harassed by a panhandler at her bus stop and asked her husband (white Communist grandfather) to drive her to work to avoid him. Commie grandfather harangued Madelyn until she broke down and admitted that the panhandler was indeed black. Cue Barack’s (typical teenage drama queen) breakdown.

    Yep, that’s what the ‘major speech on race in America’ (TM) was about. His grandma just didn’t want to get harassed and possibly mugged by an INDIVIDUAL (not a race). I don’t know if Commie Gramps gave her a lift of not…I can’t really bring myself to read it again…he’s an awful writer.

  • Zeke

    I liked the Average White Band too! They had a great funk groove that I… uh, what? Average white MAN…Ohhhh…..

    “Never Mind”

    Emily Littlea

  • Zeke

    I tried it with Maalox… didn’t help

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    ot but did you notice MM didn’t do one little article about KO all the months he was ranting and raving calling Hillary David Duke ect?
    hmmm I think they might be biased

  • Zeke

    Right! Er … Correct!
    Barack is a scary Marxist so if color is a requirement I think he looks good in Red.

  • Zeke

    That “BS” is going to put your Master in jail.

  • Zeke

    Actually,
    Those databases are recognized by the banking community and Real Estate community specifically to value property. See, they get their data from public records, add the real estate agents data to it and make available. It is quite accurate as long as data update lag times are included in the study.
    Don’t try to defend this crap. You are ignorant of the pertinent laws.

  • Zeke

    that’s not the zillow I knew

  • Zeke

    You’ll have to forgive Believe tonight. She’s off her game. Still a little miffed about the pay thing.

  • elise
  • street_parade

    Yep, winning a Grammy for ‘best book on tape’ makes the cash register ring, no doubt about it. Though not as big as the ‘best blues record by a blind accordian player from the bayou’. Now THAT is where the big money is.

  • Zeke

    Andy,
    Its dudes like you who make America a great place to hang one’s hat. Thanks for being here, man

  • Zeke

    Thanks for pushing everyone else up the list!

  • street_parade

    You’re not very computer literate are you believe? It’s right there big as day with a lovely google earth picture of the Obama mansion.

    Summer ’05 was the peak of the biggest real estate boom in history. A house that saw no appreciation over 5 years in that market is, shall we say, curious. BO did pay several 100K under asking, but then Rita Rezko did pay more than asking for the lot next door…so all in all the seller got what they wanted and MOBO got what they wanted. I wonder if Tony got what he wanted…or more the the point did Nadhmi Auchi get what he wants….yet?

  • Zeke

    Might want to check minimum setback regulations for a house in the neighborhood and then see how big a house would fit in Rezko’s lot. (Not Rezko’s now, I know, but for simplification… I mean, there are TROLLS here tonight.)

    The land would be good for a two-lane bowling alley or a drive-through car wash but not a very attractive house.
    Obama’s ‘extra land’ purchase helped his property but did Extreme damage to Rezko’s. So extreme that it might not even be a buildable lot anymore. If that were the case, the title issue surrounding the whole thing would go south.
    Oh yeah, there’s somebody else who could be “Put to the Question.” The Title Company who researched all the before and after record entries might also be “convinced” to cooperate. After all, if the title was “clouded” on Rezko’s wife’s property at the time she sold part to Obama, then the guy she sold the rest to (another Rezko crony) was screwed on his purchase and is a victim too!
    Damn, this stuff is fun sometimes…

  • Zeke

    Ah, yes! But you forget what Tony paid for his part. Gotta add that in. Seller was not shafted, he was in on it.
    It’s not the numbers…
    Its the lying about Rezko’s contribution to the deal.
    The two purchases are intrinsically connected.
    Obama’s loan application says nothing about it.
    I’m paraphrasing from memory here but it goes something like, “I hereby swear and attest that the information I have given and entered herein is true to the best of my knowledge and that I have not knowingly falsified any information in this document UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.”
    That’s basically it. No real wiggle room. The ‘knowingly’ part is hard to unprove.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    BUT How did she get that much mortgage for that property hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the appraisal value(especially since her income was 37,000) and how was she able to subdivide the lot since the bank still owned it?

  • street_parade

    Rescuing hostages is corrupt??

    Well now I’m REALLY confused…and here I always thought that was a GOOD thing. I simply must get some training in the ways of this brave new world we are all supposed to inhabit.

    Rescuing hostages is bad, rescuing hostages is bad, ignorance is strength, we have always been at war with Eastasia…rescuing hostages is bad.

  • jr

    Mr Ferris said “is very much his own”
    If I were Mr/Ferris I’d say that too – since the book is filled with lies.

  • Zeke

    Perhaps the lender wasn’t quite as impartial as one might think.
    It is hard to borrow money on raw land.

  • Hope Floats

    “The Candidate”

  • Hope Floats

    “We’re not going to stop momentum or take a siesta for political reasons,” Fitzgerald said. “We’re not concerned with elections. We’re concerned with bringing the cases as soon as they’re ready to go.”

  • Hope Floats

    So says Ellen. Meow!

  • Hope Floats

    I should be so lucky to be called a racist by my own grandson!

  • Hope Floats

    LOL. I loved Gilda Radner.

  • Hope Floats

    You’re giving Bill too much credit by calling him a “progressive.” Obama made his former church and pastors an issue again by advocating Bush’s faith-based initiatives. Perhaps it was racist to wonder if a presidential candidate did despise a majority of the country. His first book which is now out of print says he did. Some of the remarks made by him and his wife have raised eyebrows. But these are mere “distractions” during the “silly season.” Until you want tax dollars for the church, even if it is for secular activities. No. Obama is a grifter, as crooked as the California coastline, and for whatever reason, he has convinced himself that he matters more than the people he is elected to represent. Obama’s racist church was telling when you see him proposing to extend certain Bush policies.

  • Hope Floats

    That’s right. “White folks greed runs a world in need.”

  • Sassy

    One version on the sale from P.B.S: A condition of the sale required the entire parcel to remain intact…for historical reasons. Mrs. Rezko and Mrs. Obama were listed as joint owners of the side lot which was placed in a trust. I don’t know how this effects values and taxes on said property.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Can I frame that?

  • TeakWoodKite

    The condo was a Rezko property…ask him how BO got that condo….

  • TeakWoodKite

    Obama can’t be president because he’s black” they just take every opportunity to point out that he is black and then use racist stereotypes to describe him. ie. Thug

    BO; “Did I mention he’s black?”

    He is the one making an issue out of it. From start to finish. And he is not a “black” person! Go figure.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    Do the female bots get paid less than the male bots, like the rest of Obama’s staff?

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    I thought Obama’s Arab ancestors were slave traders, hmm sounds like Obama’s family oppressed black people more than most white American’s ancestors did.

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    you either aren’t too bright, or are lieing, http://www.zillow.com/Charts.htm?chartDuration=5years&zpid=50904051
    there is a picture from Google earth

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