Oh, My Aching Head…

How about Obama’s opponent?

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet….

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

* McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

And these come after these other reversals from April and May:

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

And these are the flip-flops I’ve noticed earlier:

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

* McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html

Sorry for the OT:

Obama has more trouble. America’s Hope Foundation will be launching a web site publishing threats received from from Obama supporters. Activists who opposed Obama are all too familiar with this behavior.

A Statement From Rev. Timothy Donovan

Added: July 03, 2008
Reverend Timothy Donovan adresses todays announcements from America’s Hope Foundation, concerning an ad campaign aimed at finding the truth about Senator Barack Obama

More bad news for Obama:

Thursday, July 3, 2008
Obama Facing Online Backlash

There’s more buzz in the news on Barack Obama’s perceived apostasies among the hard-left netroots contingents. USA Today reports that Obama’s move to the center may so alienate radical leftists that he’ll wind up losing significant support among those in the Democratic Party base.

McCain did not sit in a racist church for 20 years.

Of course McCain has been consistent on some things:

How antichoice is John McCain? Let’s look at his record. In his four years in the House, from 1983 to 1986, he cast eleven votes on reproductive issues. Ten were antichoice. Of 119 such votes in the Senate, 115 were antichoice, including votes for the ban on so-called partial-birth abortions and for the “gag rule,” which refuses funds to clinics abroad that so much as mention abortion. In 1999, the year he said he opposed repeal of Roe on health grounds, he voted against a bill that would have permitted servicewomen overseas, where safe, legal abortion is often unavailable, to pay out of their own pockets for abortions in military hospitals.

His record on contraception and sex education is just as bad. He voted against a 2005 budget amendment, sponsored by Senator Hillary Clinton, that would have allotted $100 million to reduce teen pregnancy by means of education and birth control. He voted to require parental consent for birth control for teenage girls and to abolish Title X, which funds birth control and gynecological care for the poor. He voted against requiring insurance companies to pay for prescription contraception.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080707/pollitt

And Obama consistently sat in a racist church for 20 years.

Except…it just isn’t true. Sure, there are critics on the left, but they are still voting for Obama.

Kos wrote a critical column on FISA which included the line “I hope he wins big.”

I guess that’s the most important issue for you…That’s certainly your right. Others focus on other things.

Everytime MEchelle aka ‘believe’ spams a post I donate to McCain.

That’s just one issue but its a very important one and shows Obama’s lack of judgment.

I think one thing we could all agree on – Hillary’s positions in the primary would be Hillary’s position in the general.

Impossible to really tell how true or not until the general election when people vote. And Obama is not even the nominee yet.

They are running the risk of getting moderated. I do recall those two comments were already posted today on another thread.

Oh, you think I’m someone else, too…is that it?

Funny@

I agree. It was part of her very wise strategy. Too bad the fix was in against her from the DNC and MSM.

You have got to be kidding! She changed her position on drivers licenses for undocumented workers, NAFTA, a gas tax holiday and whether there was a threat of sniper fire and she had to run from her plane…and much more.

Obama is Bush’s left book-end. They are both inept, and think their poopdedoo doesn’t stink.

lmao Bella

You already repeated yourself twice on this very same thread.

MEchelle is working overtime to spam about her stickman dork

AMEN!

I don’t even know how Obama looks at himself in the mirror. I truly don’t. He has lied and gobbled up votes from so many lemmings. One of which is working his “smear fighting” shift right here on this site tonight. lol

Obama is the one who Promises CHANGE, remember? Without the message of HOPE and CHANGE he really is a nobody.

The spamming is not comments we are making it is posting those two quoted passages from other web sites. If someone else posted those today the moderator will know it wasn’t you.

And my two statements were not identical anyway:

And Obama consistently sat in a racist church for 20 years.

McCain did not sit in a racist church for 20 years.

Obama’s advisors has him bouncing around like a pinball machine. This is “change” in action. “Change” has never been defined people have allowed themselves to be hoodwinked by a con man.

The Obama campaign provides a smorgasbord to all of the useful idiots. Just pick out something you like about it, that should be good enough. Just follow the messiah — Jim Jones style.

Anyone with any brains has by now figured out Obama does not know what the hell he is doing. The last 20 years Obama has sought advice and leadership from Ayers, Wright, Phleger, and Meeks.

Where will Obama get his advice and leadership from if he gets elected? There is strong indications that one of the sources will be Sharpton. It has been purported that Sharpton has on open line to Obama and they talk a couple times a week. Obama had wanted Sharpton to endorse him but Sharpton declined since he thought it would hurt Obama’s chances to win.

The foolish white people who have been saying “I want to vote for a black just give me someone better than Sharpton.” They have just gotten Obamaboozled.

AMEN!

Good God Believe, stop being an asshole!!How many times are you going to post that bullshit??

I can’t get the parallel to the way Obama is conning the masses (especially Black folks) to the way Fard Muhammad conned African-Americans into forming the Nation of Islam, off of my mind. Farrakhan certainly has likened Obama to Fard. Hell, Obama may be reading from Fard’s playbook. lol The problem that I’m having is, why have so many White folks decided to back this con man? Maybe it really is just because of this war “stance”. If that’s the case, I know many of them are up in arms right now, whether they will admit it or not. Old Ariana Huffington is beside herself if she decided to publicly speak against the “great one”.

Or maybe racist tendencies?

One should not even need to focus on anything else — that is enough to eliminate Obama.

Believe…You should change your name to denial.

And how many times did you repeat yourself today?

I HOPE to CHANGE position every day.

Get ready to see a beached tuna flip-flop again.

Backtrack O’s tuna dance: flip-flip, flop-flop.

He flipped from “I don’t support the war from the start” and flopped into “BO’s Iraq policy is now the same as McCain’s”.

HA!

Obama is laughing at the US, he is about to pull the biggest con on millions of suckers.

So why vote for Obama and not for her? If they are both flip-floppers at least she did some things in her life other than sitting in a racist church..

Believe you twist the truth just like Obambecile.

But you know, when you’re the candidate of hope, change, deeply-held beliefs, healing the earth, caring for the sick, and post-racial love for your fellow man (don’t look at the Revs.), well, you suggest we should expect better of you.

Or you wouldn’t call yourself the “Joshua generation.”

When you sell big, you’d better deliver big.

And in 04 he said his position on the war was no different than Bush.

Mmmmhmmm! It’s pitiful. I told them weeks ago that they would be weeping some sad tears soon because this guy was going to break their hearts, but they didn’t want to hear it. “He is a new type of politician. He’s not dirty from the Washington style of politics. He’s what this world needs.” How? He’s no different from any of those Republicans. The only difference he would be is he’d have big ears and a wife with a scoop mouth.

Obama LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES.

1.) Selma Got Me Born – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili – LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam – LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois – LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted – LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records – LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA – LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet – LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida – LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks – and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan – LIAR, no you didn’t.

33.) I won Nevada – LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count – LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend – LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace – LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words – LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date – AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail – LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone – LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country – LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support – LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company – LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair – LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

53.)I Barely Know Rezko – Only 5 Billed Hours – LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.

54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly – LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.

55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church – LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.

56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time – LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message – hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK – that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.

57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko – LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.

58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube – LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”

Yep, McCain, too, is just another pol. Just like Obama.

Both are just the usual two-faces.

There’s nothing more fun than seeing Arianna huffing and puffing…

Believe…How many times do I have to tell you, McCain is a Republican, we know he is pro life…Geez, how dumb are you?

Oh and his *lmao* Uncle that liberated Auschwitz needs to be added in there too.

Q. What do Obama and Osama have in common?
A. They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.

Q. Why doesn’t Barack drink Pepsi?
A. He thinks that things go better with coke.

Q. Why wouldn’t Barack salute the American flag?
A. It was ours.

I guess there’s nothing in “believe”‘s cut-and-paste notes as to why Obambi sat in that racist church for 20 years.

If you don’t have anything nice to say…come sit by me!

I responded to that below.

Somebody mentioned Hillary Clinton’s “consistency.” I guess it’s easy to martyrize Senator Clinton since she was defeated in the primary and has since thrown her 100% support behind the nominee, Senator Obama, especially if you really wanted her to win. But in doing so, you are ignoring her dizzying flip flops on torture, Iraq, nukes, meeting with Iran, immigration, social security, etc. etc. That’s not an uncommon phenomenon, to be blind to someone’s imperfections if you really, really like them. It’s just too bad you’d support a bigger flip flopper than Clinton OR Obama and a more generally dangerous candidate in doing so, John McCain. Scratching head.

haha! Bella, I’m disgusted with this whole deal, you hear me!? lol

Obama is dirty from Chicago style politics which is worse than Washington politics.

I don’t vote for candidates based on their church attendance.

“That’s not an uncommon phenomenon, to be blind to someone’s imperfections if you really, really like them.”

Yep, and you Obamatrons are proof positive.

Debunked at snopes
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Move On is eating crow too. I was reading on another blog that the bots haven’t gotten their free BamBam bumper stickers. hehehe.

Does MEchelle know she’s getting paid less than the men to spam?

Okay, so I guess all of that makes it acceptable for Hopey-Changey-By-The-Second to waffle, flip-flop, and pander. Great. Why does your lengthy diatribe only amount to a childish complaint? “Oh, yeah? Well, McCain’s worse. Nyah, nyah, nyah.”

No kidding. And see, here’s the thing – I don’t GIVE a crap what McCain has done – he’s a REPUBLICAN, and actually won the nomination of HIS party because it represented the will of te people! Not so Obama, who has hand picked DESPITE the will of the people!

So, how about you actually look at all of the hooey that Obama has done? He does not deserve to be the nominee – never did.

Are these flip-flops or manifestations of a psychological disorder? Maybe we should call him Sybilobama.

Not true. I disagree with Obama on some of his positions and in some cases, he has shifted. (He hasn’t shifted on Iraq; that position has been consistent.) But I never thought he was perfect — that’s a myth about Obama supporters, you know — and I’m sure as heck going to vote for him rather than John McCain.

Oh, and this what CNN’s poll found:

As the marathon 2008 campaign for the White House enters its final four months, a solid majority views both Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain favorably. At the same time, a majority of voters also believes both men are flip-floppers who will change their opinions for political reasons.

I was laughing so hard at the scoop mouth! SO TRUE!

Folks see them both favorably despite thinking they are flip-floppers – http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/03/cnn-poll-voters-say-both-candidates-likeable-flip-floppers/

Listen, look at the top of your screen and see where you are. On a pro-Hillary blog, defending this lying asshole on a Friday night. lol

what are obama’s accomplishments?

where has he accomplished anything?

Believe, go back to your dorm room.

This really isn’t a pro-Hillary blog. It’s an anti-Obama one. Why do I say that?

Because there’s almost nothing about Hillary on it.

Also because the criticisms of Obama’s policies often come from the far FAR right – like he believes in socialized medicine or is a Marxist.

Aren’t you brilliant, you go into an anti-Obama site in an effort to convince people to vote for Obama. You have been suckered so you think everyone can. There are no Stepford wives here.

ObamaTROLL

and “women’s reproductive rights” is your IMPORTANT ISSUE??? PuhLEASE!

I’m a liberal X Democrat VERY pro-choice but not even I am PRO partial birth abortion (which Obama is) and I also am not excited about a potential President saying “a woman should not be PUNISHED with a child”

that’s borderline sick imo

what’s with all these stupid MEN sticking their NOSE where it doesn’t belong and making anal judgments about things they have NO clue only bad opinion. I want them to STFU and leave those decision to us and our physicians.

Completely absurd. He’s been saying the same thing about Iraq for months and months. I heard him say the very same thing in February.

With the surge McCain actually saved lives. Obama was against the surge. Judgement!

you bloody well should have. that church is the most important part of BHO’s entire life. It tells us exactly who he is.

Wright is his mentor.

This man must never ever be president

Comment by believe | 2008-07-03 20:42:47

Not true. I disagree with Obama on some of his positions and in some cases, he has shifted. (He hasn’t shifted on Iraq; that position has been consistent.)

He’s shifted so much we’ve all agreed with him about some things, some of the time. Admit it, he’s just plain shifty.

Oh, I doubt if I can convince the utterly already convinced.

He sure has shifted. He was all for war when his pal rezko was trying to do a deal to build a power plant in Iraq. Only after that deal fell through did he decide that he was against it again.

No it wasn’t.

Look, get a grip okay? This is a pro-Hillary AND anti-Obama blog. Whichever it is, you are still.here. like some kind of loser defending this lying Marxist bastard.

And did he save lives by supporting the invasion of Iraq, too?

admit obama is a pathological liar, believe.

admit the only thing at stake here is your ego.

you have been buffaloed.

grow up.

join the adults.

Hey Sugar!

Loved all your videos on your page tonight!!

If Obama is smart enough to step aside like he is should then it becomes a pro-Hillary site instantly. So your job is to convince Obama to drop out.

Its a flip flop contest.

Geez.

How many seats you have by you Bella? I hope you live in a stadium. I’ll be right over!

Ha!

Do you notice how many times Obama starts with:

“LET ME BE CLEAR…”

and then he creates words fogs and changes positions so often no one knows what the hell he stands for. So much for clarity.

Why are you here MEchelle? Go fix your busted weave.

$7/HR TROLL ALERT

AKA the time- and space-wasting jackass list

FastForward when you see these names. (Not to worry, they get paid either way.)

believe = FastForward

dose = fastForward

UnderCoverBlackMan = FastForward

Huh. So you found that confusing?

Interesting.

Another spam by MEchelle.

Donating to McCain..

You don’t think Obama will shift on Iraq? The way things are going there now Obama will slowly shift to McCain’s position by October.

They never poll me or any of us here.

why? what has obama ever done to deserve the job of president?

answer: not a damn thing.

He is a fraud and a liar.

Good, you sit there and BELIEVE Hillary landed in Bosnia on a wonderful and peaceful mission to visit our men and women on the ground. (along with your other misguided “beliefs”

And this is from November of last year:

November 2007: Obama Said U.S. Has To Make Sure “We Are Not Just Willy-Nilly Removing Troops” And That It May “Take A Little Bit Longer” In Some Areas Where There Is Less Stability. “According to all the reports, we should have been well along our way in getting the Iraqi security forces to be more functional. We then have another 16 months after that to adjust the withdrawal and make sure that we are withdrawing from those areas, based on advice from the military officers in the field, those places where we are secured, made progress and we’re not just willy-nilly removing troops, but we’re making a determination – in this region we see some stability. We’ve had cooperation from local tribal leaders and local officials, so we can afford to remove troops here. Here, we’ve still got problems, it’s going to take a little bit longer. Maybe those are the last areas to pull out.” [New York Times, 11/1/07]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

OMG I want to see her EAT it……. all the garbage lies and innuendo against Hillary. I want to see Arianna-daVille duly chastised in the media blogasphere and humilated to the point she never gets on her ugly soap box again! EVER! DAHLING rrrrreally

isn’t that what Bush did also?

Ah, that Marxist thing again. Just what Republicans called Hillary Clinton in 1992 and Eleanor Roosevelt her whole public life.

obama did notthing to oppose the war but make one speech.

maybe.

has anyone ever seen this speech?

since becoming a U.S. Senator he has done NOTHING to oppose the war.

No thing,

Na Da.

why?

He is a liar, a fraud, and a coward.

obama spent 20 years in a racist church.

this disqualifies him for the job of president FOREVER.

What are you talking about?

BTW, have you figured out yet what it means for a loan rate to be average?

go back a little further when he said he would start removing troops on DAY ONE!

Sad but true

“Obama has more trouble. America’s Hope Foundation will be launching a web site publishing threats received from Obama supporters.”

I’m really glad someone is doing this. I thought about writing to Paula Abeles and Darragh Murphy and suggesting that they form a group to expose the threats. I know of another woman from WomenCountPac that had to hire security for her office, because she has been threatened and called a racist. She’s a Georgetown professor and a long-term Dem and human rights activist. This bullying and intimidation (along with caucus reports) needs to be exposed as a deterrent if nothing else.

Believe is correct. Obama’s supporters don’t see him as a “Messiah” or a deity. That was something Rush Limbaugh made up and that culminated with a very offensive satirical song he played a few weeks called “Barack the Magic Negro.” Now, this blog regularly repeats Limbaugh, Hannity and Fox news talking points. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I come here to add some balance just in case there are “undecideds” that stumble upon this site thinking for a split second it’s steeped in truth. I come less and less these days, though, as it devolves into a bizarre cyber oddity of sorts.

cnn-cult news network

chit is this Friday already?

doh (tsk)

“I never said I will withdraw the troop”
“I will withdraw the troop within 18 months”
“There might be non-combat troop left”
“Don’t get distracted. I will end the war in Iraq”
“I have to refine my policy according the the ground report”

Do you want to play a game: putting those comments in the right order?

Hey Dawnelle! I used to have so much respect for Ariana before. Tough and all that, but she has lost her marbles.

He promised to start bring troops home on 1/20/09

now he is flip flopping – also known as lying.

he is a liar.

and a fraud.

who is only concerned with his own power.

Everyone can and should stand firm against this pathetic manchild.

But Obama did change his position on Iraq. He now says he’ll check and see what the Generals have to say on his visit to Iraq, and then make a determination. I’m sure he’ll get back to you on his newest flip-flop as soon as he returns.

Who knows what a mad man like Hussein would have done by now.

We never repeat anyone talking point. We don’t get memo every morning.

We can think for ourselves. That’s why we support Hillary in the beginning. And we will always think for ourselves.

If you don’t want to come here, take a hike. Get lost. Nobody begs you to stay.

You brought it up turd!

Your opinion — of the church AND of how it affects his qualifications.

Your right to make that the center of your decision-making.

Other people care about health care, energy, tax policy, reproductive rights, etc., you know, things that affect our lives.

You are right, Obama is not clear on anything and should expunge that word from his vocabulary.

and a day

forever and a day

I concur!

Backtrack O. always use the WORM card.

W.O.R.M = What Obama Really Mean.

His words mean nothing!

I guess Obama can be hard to understand if you’re not used to sentences that have subordinate clauses and words with lots of syllables.

believe or whoever you are – I feel very sorry for you that you refuse to see the truth.

Obama’s latest is the flip flopping, but what about all of the other stuff that goes with the flip flopping. You know, the 57 lies and counting – maybe, it is not all about the flip flopping – maybe we just can’t believe anything this guy says.

The biggest one that I will not get over is setting in a church for 20 years, and telling the American public that he never heard Rev. Wright ever say anything that was filled with hate, etc.

Believe wake up – what is wrong with you? Defending this guy does not make you look very smart.

put down the grain alcohol slim

your rambling

So what? That is no argument to endorse Obama.

Don’t give credit to the talking heads about the obama-messiah movement, just check google. You may also want to run the words “anti-christ” and “Obama”.

I do think for myself. And I’m certainly not shy about telling you that you are completely wrong that Obama has changed his position. He’s said the same thing over and over again.

Examples:

March 2008: Obama Said The Size Of The Residual Force Will Depend On Consultation With Military Commanders And “Will Depend On The Circumstances On The Ground.” Obama said, “The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation. But let me be clear on one thing: I will end this war, and there will be far fewer Americans in Iraq conducting a much more limited set of missions that include counterterrorism and protection of our embassy and U.S. civilians.” [Washington Post, 3/2/08]

November 2007: Obama Said He Would Leave Residual Troops In Iraq Based On The Levels Of Violence, “It’s Not My Job To Specify Troop Levels.” Obama said, “If we see a serious effort by the Iraqi leadership to arrive at an agreement and an accommodation and you’ve seen continued reductions of violence, then you need one level of troop protection for the embassy…If things have gone to hell in a hand basket then you need another … It’s not my job to specify troop levels. My job is to tell our commanders on the ground, ‘Here’s your mission. Protect our embassy, protect our diplomats and our humanitarian workers in the area and make sure al Qaeda in Iraq, or other terrorist organizations inside of Iraq are not re-establishing bases there.” [Fosters, 11/28/07]

Hope, Change, New Politic, Distraction, Back to Hope Change again.

Oh I get it *wink wink* your secret is my secret, MEchelle.

Believe (“in anything Obama says” should be your whole name): This must be a full-time job coming here everyday and have to rationalize, explain, excuse, deny, and misinterpret all of Obama’s lies and triangulations. Good luck with that.

p.s. Just trying to prove that “McCain is worse” is not going to get your guy elected.

It’s what we were taught to call a “Hapsburg Jaw”. Prevalent in many a European Monarch…too much inbreeding!!

you’re (sigh)

Actually, in my view of the world, the reason you pick a candidate is because of POLICIES, not what church she or he goes to.

You put your left foot in; you take your left foot out. You put your right foot in, and you shake it all about. You do the hokey-pokey and you don’t know how to stop. And that’s the Obama flip-flop.

He gets pay $7 an hour to spread the propaganda.

You call “that” a response as to why Obambi spent 20 years in a racist church? I guess you don’t vote for people based on their political achievements either.

Most of those “lies” are not lies. There’s a major debunking of them at snopes.

hey Believe…come on and join us, you can change your name to “I saw the light”

makes them look desperate to be honest

especially the fact they come LIVE HERE!

I hope you don’t come at all. I personally don’t care if people who come here are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents as long as they share in the common goal of opposing Obama for president.

ROFL!

Okay believe hurry. In YOUR OWN WORDS what are Obamas’s positions on health care, energy, reproductive rights, and things that affect our lives.

Hurry I’m waiting.

When all else fail, yell racist!

Since your earning your money today and flying through the posts cutting and pasting here’s one for you.

Okay Believe hurry. In YOUR OWN WORDS what are Obamas’s positions on health care, energy, reproductive rights, and things that affect our lives.

Hurry I’m waiting.

What a moron you are.

Him praying at Uncle Wright’s racist anti-American knee for 20 years goes right to the heart of his JUDGEMENT.

Policies made for flip flopping doen’t mean SQUAT when you are Obama the member of a racist and black theology afrocentric church for 20 YEARS.

You’ve memorized your talking points well Grasshopper. Unfortunately, they are propaganda and not based in fact. She never flipped on NAFTA, and if you’d just do some research, you would see that many witnesses from the White House days came forward to attest to the fact that Hillary had doubts about NAFTA from the start, but she was First Lady–no president. Also, economic conditions have changed, and it’s need adapting now. No one knew that in the 1990′s. It’s called evolution, and a leader needs to refine and revise issues as conditions change–but not in 2 weeks time, like Obama does! Also, HE is the one who has lied repeatedly about his NAFTA position. He was SO against it in the rust belt states, and then his economic adviser let it slip to Canada that he was just “fibbing” for the primaries. He hotly rejected this, and guess what? Now, he comes out and says he’s Mr. Free Market guy, and that was just “heated campaign rhetoric.”

And re: Bosnia. How many war zones has Obama visited? How many countries? Hillary is campaigning 20+ hours a day and she makes a mistake recalling something from 15 years ago and suddenly that defines 35 years of public service? What a joke. Besides, several people, including officials in Bosnia, came forward to accurately recount the threat of sniper fire. As Obama would say, “Get over it.” You’re reaching.

You know I once gave a speech to my family opposing the war, maybe I should be POTUS.

Speaking of lies, this website is drowning in them. At various times here, entire threads have been devoted to Obama being a Muslim, terrorist, radical Christian, marxist, atheist, woman hater, womanizer, closet gay and if you scroll above, “the anti-Christ.” It climbed out of obscurity because of an enormous and slanderous lie that involved Michelle Obama saying “whitey” on tape. Most of the hysteria-driven accusations against Senator Obama are not even logistically compatible with each other, yet are spread here with a deadly earnestness that approaches cult behavior.

believe…Explain this from april 5 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU&eurl=http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-war-position-3-troops-out-is.html

Not here’s not.

It’s about reality, Obama is a pretender, by his own admission he said, he wasn’t ready to run for president when asked after he won his senete seat.

How many war zones have you visited PhxNickD? How many veteran’s benefits have you secured? I guess that’s why 35 flag officers didn’t endorse you.

no mo marbles? sniff sniff!

yeah they’ve lost the WHOLE bag GF! LOL

I won’t waste my time arguing with the lost souls. There are many PUMA business to be done.

No there’s not.

*edit spelling*

No…It’s when he tries to speak out of both sides of his mouth that causes the confusion.

I think believe is busy googleing. I just ran across one called “is Obama the Messiah”? LOL

Or were you suggesting to “Believe” that it wasn’t a “peaceful setting?” If so, my bad. I’m a little trigger happy with all the dense obots on this site sometimes.

(snicker) Right On Tampa! lol

You have to trust the person who is suppose to carry out those polices.

You are quite the card!

But he changes his “policies” every other day. That’s what “CHANGE” means to him. What did you think it meant?

Why don’t you run? What’s stopping you?

LOL! The 527′s haven’t even STARTED with Obama. When they get done, he will look like he has the experience and judgment of a 3rd grader.

I’m not surprised his piss poor judgement and praying in a racist anti-American church for 20 years doesn’t phase you AT ALL.

You are a typical mindless drone and a snore. Not to mention probably a racist like your plastic messiah too.

It is quite strange. I really wish I had monitored it more systematically because it would be quite a good paper I could publish in an excellent journal.

How about this HillaryandBillsupportBOnow:

Obama doesn’t seem to know his own positions and neither does his followers. I believe he had a bright person write his economic policy, another his war policy, another his energy policy, ect. and put these documents on his website. Nothing wrong with that but when he’s questioned about details and his position concerning said policies he doesn’t seem to know them. That’s a problem!!!!!!

“He is a self-made man and worships his creator.”

Hey – I’m not going to spend my time doing homework when you would just ignore it anyway.

Stop talking to yourself.

You guess? When this idiot comes out and says there are 57 states it seems to me that the typical 1st grader has a lot to teach Obama.

Hey Joey!

R U going to Denver? We have a group going from our area. (unfortunately NOT me)

You’re back! You haven’t responded to my question above. I’m still waiting.

Lots of folks call it the Clinton News Network.

But their polling operation is independent.

(snicker)

LOL Bella! rib rib!

Critics say that Presidential candidate Barack Obama tries to “be all things to all people” and that he makes too many “pie-in-the-sky” promises. At a recent political rally, Obama tried to overcome these criticisms by emphasizing his commitment to principles. Afterwards, audience members lined up at a microphone to ask Obama questions.

The first person at the microphone said, “I oppose the war in Iraq. If you are elected, what will you do about that?”

“I will end the war in Iraq within two weeks of taking office,” answered Obama. “All our troops will come home, and I will simultaneously make sure the Iraqi government is functioning and secure.”

The second person in line said, “I’m an illegal alien. What will you do for people like me?”

“If I am elected,” answered Obama, “every illegal alien will receive U.S. citizenship, free health coverage, and a scholarship to the university of your choice.”

The third person in line said, “I’m a conservative. If elected, what will you do for me?”

“I’ll send that first guy to Iraq, and the second guy back to Mexico.”

- Backtrack Obama

Whew!

Awesome post, Bella.

In other words

I DON’T HAVE A FRIGGIN CLUE.

HOPE CHANGE YES WE CAN!

When are going to raise money to put an ad in the Sunday NY Times about the birth certificate claims? I mean, really, if you believe that stuff, isn’t it time to let folks know about it?

How about a POLICY of not donating money to racist, anti-American churches? Obama gave over $20,000 of his money. Obama also gave over $300,000 of tax payers money to Phleger.

If you are a typical Obama supporter then he is attracting all of the dummies.

I don’t track each and everything written to me. Life is too short.

Hope you have a nice Fourth!

Comment by HillaryANDBillSupportObamaNow | 2008-07-03 21:12:27

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peaking of lies, this website is drowning in them. At various times here, entire threads have been devoted to Obama being a Muslim, terrorist, radical Christian, marxist, atheist, woman hater, womanizer, closet gay and if you scroll above, “the anti-Christ.”

If you’ll re-read my post to “believe” (interesting name, by the way), I said that Rush and Hannity didn’t invent the Obama is Messiah thing as can be proven by Google. I don’t make this stuff up–I just report, you decide. LOL

Most of the hysteria-driven accusations against Senator Obama are not even logistically compatible with each other, yet are spread here with a deadly earnestness that approaches cult behavior.

By the way, check out Obama’s blogs and find the one that says “Obama is god” from February 2008 right on his site? Your people, not mine.

Are you here to make sure that no (more) Obamabots are deprogrammed?

The truth is your to busy looking up McCain, don’t you think you should find out more about the guy your supporting?

I said that those sorts of claims were evidence that this is not a blog of Democrats – Thanks for providing more evidence.

Yes because it would require you to actually add substance to your post. Typical! Just like Obama. Cry doesn’t anyone want to talk about this issues and then run crying when people actually take you to task to respond.

I will have a good fourth. You to after all we’re all on the same team. America’s team.

Obama also said he would have a strikeforce somewhere in the area but never explained what that would be.

You really need to “change” your name. Hillary supports(*cough cough*) Obambi for political reasons. Bill doesn’t, he said “Kiss My Ass”.

No, just don’t want to waste my time since you folks don’t respond to substantive points.

Last night I wasted a lot of bandwidth with folks who not a clue about Clinton’s, McCain’s, and Obama’s health care positions.

But since you now think policy is important, which of those policy areas of McCain’s do you like best and why?

Thanks for your last comment.

You may need to study how many states there are. Obama is 46 years old and he still has not learned that.

Damn why’d hes.

Lurve,

Mechelle.

Umm…probably for the same reason Obambecile shouldn’t be running…unqualified.

Once again, I’m asking you for a simple statement on Obama’s position and you can’t even do it. You deflect and change the issue. Just like Obama. So what is his health care policy. Is it Universal?

*pats sofa*

Come on over! Bring popcorn.

The chairman of Hillary Clinton’s unsuccessful presidential bid, Terry McAuliffe, said Sunday that the former president was angered by media reports suggesting that he did not plan to actively support Obama in the general election.

“He was angry that these ridiculous stories were out here, and these supposed close friends of the president — none of the close friends ever got called,” McAuliffe said, referring to anonymous sources quoted in some stories. “What happens, a lot of the time, is people like to pretend they’re close so they can tell the reporters that they’re close, but, you know, they’re just talking.”

LOL…shifty or shitty, I think he’s both

Well since Obama is now becoming McCain, it makes even more sense to vote McCain in the general election.

Let’s see. McCain will have a strong Democratic Majority to hamstring him, making him a lame-duck President who cannot get confirmation of a conservative Supreme Court Judge and cannot maintain a war without funding approval from Congress. He may even have a veto proof Congress.

Or there’s Obama with a strong Democratic Majority to rubber stamp anything he wants to do – which is now becoming what Bush and McCain want to do.

Hmmm. It’s fast becoming a no-brainer.

(Has anyone else noticed that Obama seems to use the very successful strategy of adopting his opponent’s positions on everything – thereby making his opponent helpless to attack him on his policies? Clever, huh?)

HOLD YOUR NOSE – VOTE FOR DEADLOCK – VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN.

Unless Hillary gets the nomination in Denver – then forget him.

Once again! Are you just part of the supposed smear group because you don’t add anything to substantive issues.

You and believe are typical Obamabots. Can’t even give a simple answer on any of his positions. Just answer me this, Is Obama’s health care policy Universal?

Sugar, that’s what he does, he rants about McCain and calls it a Republican site. Look who made the first post and it was about McCain.

ROFLMAO

Nice try at the bait and switch.

ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT BONITA ASKED OF YOU.

Do it NOW or admit you are a dumbass that is getting paid $7 an hour to spam pro Hillary anti Oblahblah sites.

Why hasn’t Bill just come out and said so himself? I bet Obama would drop whatever he was doing for a unity love-in photo op with the President.

Shoot first, question later. I do when it comes to OBots.

But I do think he meant “believe”…..lol

Believe There are some outright misstatements in your list, but whatever. It’s a disease going around right now. I’m not going through the entire list, but I want to add one I saw there to Rev. Amy’s list and thank you for bringing it up. I hate to cut and paste, but there is a lot of information here about Yucca Mountain and the problem Obama seems to have with that one.

Review Journal
May 15, 2007

That’s why Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., will have a hard time answering questions about the Yucca Mountain Project this year in the run-up to Nevada’s early 2008 caucus.

When he was in Las Vegas in March for a health care forum, Obama told The Associated Press he opposed the repository and would look to regional storage as a solution. Surely that could not have meant keeping the stuff in Illinois, where much of the nation’s commercial nuclear waste is generated.

On June 30, 2006, Obama and Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., wrote a letter to Sen. Pete Domenici, D-N.M., who at the time chaired a key energy subcommittee.

“Senator Obama and I want to make it clear to the chairman that any plan to create regional nuclear waste sites without any local veto power is unacceptable,” Durbin said at the time. “Illinois must not become a dumping ground — even a temporary one — for nuclear waste brought in from other states.”

Of course, that’s what the junior senator from Illinois is supposed to do. Illinois has 11 nuclear power plants, which generate 48 percent of the state’s power. But what should Nevadans think now as Obama runs a national campaign? If he still supports regional storage, might not Yucca Mountain, about 100 miles northwest of Las Vegas, be acceptable as a “temporary” site?

But Obama’s Yucca problems don’t end with his parochial view of the dump. He’s also hip-deep in financial ties that McCain or Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney will be able to exploit.

Obama has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the nation’s largest nuclear power operator. Exelon Corp. is the second-largest contributor to Obama’s presidential campaign, after financial services company UBS, according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Exelon executives and employees have given $161,000 to Obama’s presidential bid. He’s received an additional $86,000 since 1998 from Exelon’s political action committee, employees and predecessor, Commonwealth Edison. Obama got money from the company in his 1998 bid for the Illinois state Senate and for his failed 2000 congressional campaign. Exelon also donated to Obama’s PAC and his successful 2004 U.S. Senate bid

Answer the question NOW.

Reposted-

Comment by Bonita | 2008-07-03 21:09:51

Since your earning your money today and flying through the posts cutting and pasting here’s one for you.

Okay Believe hurry. In YOUR OWN WORDS what are Obamas’s positions on health care, energy, reproductive rights, and things that affect our lives.

Hurry I’m waiting.

On his AIPAC “inartfulness”
Notice on his visit to Europe, he doesn’t
list Palestine as one of his stops? LMAO!!!
Aww, a little scared tentative are we?
He does list Israel and I have a feeling his
reception there is going to be “cordial”.

What a tool.

Neither did Obama.

You just think it’s a racist chuch.

I am a single payor advocate, Bonita. I work in healthcare so am keenly aware of the crisis we are facing. Neither Obama nor Hillary’s plan (which were based on the same model, just tweaked) goes as fas as I would like, but there is no way in hell this country is ready for a single payor system. There is much evidence that the mandate for adults and children in Hillary’s plan is a very punitive and ultimately ineffective way to start taking baby steps toward a true universal model. Both plans are essentially subsidy handouts to private insurers, as you know, and I frankly have severe misgivings about the arrangement given the shortcomings of Medicare D (prescription drug plans), Medicare Advantage plans and in states where Medicaid has been outsourced to private corporations like IBM. With that in mind, I’d MUCH rather start out smaller with insuring children being the focus.

I am blogging in several places at once so please pardon the delay.

LOL

Backtrack Obama

Too funny!

McCain was actually doing something during that time too. Maybe he shifted positions, any number of reasons for each shift could be advanced, but he was in the Senate earning my share of his salary, as far as I’m concerned, even if we didn’t always agree.

Hope, that’s really not a very useful comeback to the quote I posted from Terry McAuliff because you know that in time, just as Hillary has done more than once, Bill Clinton WILL unambiguously come out to campaign for Senator Obama because he does not want McCain in the White House. Hillary has already scrubbed any negative references to Obama as you must’ve read in the papers today.

I agree with tampagrul, believe. You are one of the most delusional person on this blog. Kos, for crying out loud? They are so deep in the poo poo over there they can’t get out. When you answer facts about Obama you always point to McCain, but I guess there is no other way to defend Obama’s position(s).

People have explained to you why listing any position by McCain is totally irrelevant to the discussion here. The real issue is Obama and his lies, the DNC’s manipulation of the process and sexism. We know McCain doesn’t represent a platform we would endorse, but what you can’t seem to understand is we want our party to represent us, to be what we believe it should be and we are willing to fight for it with the only power we have, by using our vote to keep an imposter out of the White House and rid the party of corruption.

Charles V was cool with that. He made fun of his face.

You jerk. Don’t you dare try to bring Roe V Wade out of the mothballs again and try to use it as a carrot to buy my vote. I DON’T CARE ANYMORE. The Democratic Party and I have had our moment of truth. I think it’s time young women who don’t understand anything about illegal abortions take up the fight. When you, and they, throw it in my face I know you, and they, have no idea what you are talking about

… because they preach KILL WHITEY?

Once again, you refuse to go back further than his November “on-the-ground” qualifier speech, which means you are excluding his earlier words as if they did not matter. He said he wanted an immediate withdrawal that would end with all of the troops, except a residual force, by March 31, 2008.

Is it an Obamabot prerequisite to be a compulsive liar?

You must have sent a lot of donations.

You lost me at “So…”

But wait. If Obama has the same policies as McCain, doesn’t that make him Bush 3?

You seem to have a problem with the truth. Her position on driver’s license never changed. She said she UNDERSTOOD the position of the governor. She never said that was her position. NAFTA, you’ve got to be kidding. David Gergen, Obama supporter, was in the White House when NAFTA was discussed and he said she was not in favor. She and her campaign never spoke with the Canadians to assure them she was only fooling, like some candidate I could mention. She lied about Bosnia and did something pols rarely do, admitted it and apologized. and many more? List them! Come on, bring it on.

I’ll pardon your delay for another 6 months.

He’s had a lot of practice.

Are you dumb enough to really believe Hillary wants Obama to win? If Obama loses she can run in 2012. In the meantime she does not want to cause any waves.

Are you sure you didn’t cut and paste from Jabberwocky by Lewis Carroll? If anyone can find one definitive position on Iraq from this article, they should have no trouble with that book. Believe, you should really try to find something to clarify what he said, becasue it’s about as vague as he could get.

Put some back up to those claims. You can’t because every single one of them is a lie.

That’s the best one I see all day. Thank you.

The “loan rate” really isn’t the issue. That’s just a diversion conversation tactic from the “real” problem….REZKO!!!

You need to rethink your position HillaryANDBill. The two plans are different in one important respect. Obama mandates coverage for children only with fines and Hillary’s is mandated for everyone with fines.

There are other differences, but this one is crucial. With no mandate for adults, only those with health problems will feel compelled to have coverage. Younger and healthier people will not ask for coverage and insurance companies will be free to raise premiums and can refuse coverage for preexisting illnesses. Companies will have a choice about offering coverage, as they do now.

Say a twenty five year old has a debilitating illness or accident and has no coverage, tax payers will be stuck with the bill. Hillary’s plan was to allow anyone who wanted to continue the coverage they have to do so and the amount they paid would be on a sliding scale depending on income. Those who lose their jobs or cannot afford coverage at all, would be subsidized.

But, you have left out the most important considerations. First, a majority of people in this country want a government sponsored health care system. The most important thing by far, is your callous attitude toward humanity.
Some have written here they don’t want the Canadian system. They would have to wait for maybe a whole hour to be seen by a doctor. Others have said, I don’t want my tax dollars going to support health care for immigrants. Or, why should I pay for someone else to get health care?

Why doesn’t it tear you apart to know there is anyone here who can’t get the help they need? Why do senior citizens have to make a choice between their medicine and heat in the winter. Why should any parent not be able to take their child to the doctor or wait until it’s too late because they have no insurance? If they need a tooth pulled or new glasses? If they receive treatment for cancer or heart problems and can’t afford follow ups? I know it’s not possible to mandate compassion, but is this upon which our survival as a nation depends and that is not overly dramatic. Personal and national wealth will not save us if our compassion is not real and full of empty promises.

I am providing two links here and I hope you and anyone else who reads this will read the stories, especially the first one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-harry-and-louise-again/

dont forget today is let it rain for $mccain day!
have you heard obama is already thinking about how hes gonna redo the white house? will larry sinclair help him?

So funny, joesky. Thanks.

Plagiarism is an art he has perfected in his speeches and policies.

“I’ll debate John McCain anywhere, anytime about (?) issue.”

Please tell me his supporters are his soon to be ex-supporters. You have got to be kidding me with all the stuff.

This guy changes his positions on the issues like he changes socks.

That’s change we can believe in??

lmao.

Ka-CHING!

ARE YOU FOOL? DON’T YOU SEE THAT MCCAIN’S FLIP FLOPS GO THE BENEFITS AND PRESSURE OF HIS CONSERVATIVE PARTY. HE IS MOVING INTO HIS PARTY’S CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES.

THIS OBAMA OF YOURS IS A TRAITOR OF THE DEMOCRATS. TECHNICALLY, ALL OBAMA’S ORIGINAL POSITIONS ARE THE MAIN POINTS HE USED AGAINST HILLARY. HILLARY STOOD ON HER POSITIONS… YES SHE LIED (OR LACK OF TOTAL RECALL) ON MINOR AND NOT ISSUES… NOT POLICIES.

COMMON! OBAMA ROCKS! ROCKS WITH HIS OWN PARTY PRINCIPLES JUST TO GET A VOTE. HE IS A STEALTH LIAR.

Given everything, McCain is more worthy of my trust than your Obama.

Since my Hillary is already imprisoned by Obama because of her indebtness, I will vote for McCain.

I lived in the days of the conservatives… but I am not sure if I can survive with Obama’s far left and obviously “Anti-American” (not just anti-war) policies. If that makes me a conservative, so fine.

I just don’t want to be part of assassinating my own country out of Love of your New Reverend Obama. He just preach his lies to TUCC and all socialists behind him.

Bill Clinton is right in saying that Hillary’s loss is due to the far left. When I read the website

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org

I am convinced that your Obama is a communist. Clinton’s pro-poor policies are only within the bounds of correcting market failure, and not destroying the entire free market.

Your Obama will destroy America!

Keep up the great work Rev. Amy! My nearest and dearest are in “Wolfpack Country”! Yeah, the “O” is enough to give anyone motion-sickness!

So Obama and McCain are both just two-faced politicians, saying and doing anything to get elected. Who knew?

So support of Obama by the Kool-Aid Corps has now been reduced to he’s not named McCain. Sad, so sad.

Why vote for someone when you have no clue what they REALLY stand for or would do if they are elected. Every word out of BO’s mouth is a contradiction. I don’t know WHAT he would do if elected and neither do you.

Support for BO is blind faith and I can’t be so easily fooled.

Believe, you need new directions from the Kremlin / Mothership. The Iraq War meme is now inoperable, since BO’s position will very shortly be indistinguishable from McCain’s (if it’s not already).

This is analagous to the US Communist Party in the early ’40′s. The head of it was giving a speech at some event during which Hitler invaded the USSR. He started the speech screaming the US must NOT enter the war against Nazi Germany (since Germany and Russia had a non-aggression pact)…he ended the same speech screaming that the US MUST enter the fight against Nazi Germany (since the USSR and Nazi Germany were NOW at war).

You need to learn to pivot as well as they did if you’re going to defend BO.

Actually, it’s all of the ‘umming’ and ‘ahhing’ that throws me. It causes my eyes to glaze over, which I guess makes me indistinguishable from the typical Obamabot.