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Is There a Sucker Born Every Minute?

By SusanUnPC on July 3, 2008 at 6:31 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Iraq, Media Bias, National Security

It’s unfortunate that Barack Obama won instant supporters based on the “buzz” about a single speech against the war in 2002 — a speech so little noted by Chicago media that it had to be recreated in a studio for Obama’s campaign ads (see “The Staged Iraq War Speech & More “Creative” Embellishments“). A single speech never followed by further actions or even more words. Ambassador Joseph Wilson says that he looked everywhere for help before the Iraq War, and never once heard about Obama, let alone heard from him.

Yet, legions of supporters flocked to Obama based on that one speech. Now Obama has adopted a revisionist Iraq policy. “Never give a sucker an even break.” Is W.C. Fields now an Obama consultant? Here’s Mark Halperin’s title for this clip of Obama speaking in North Dakota today — Halperin’s notes on statements today are below:

“OBAMA SEEKS TO ‘CLARIFY’ IRAQ COMMENTS“

In a second, quickly-scheduled press availability, the Senator insists his position on Iraq has not changed. Watch video above.

“I intend to end this war... That position has not changed. I have not equivocated on that position. I am not searching for maneuvering room with respect to that position.”

Though he also says:

“I have always reserved the right to do what’s best for America’s national interest… I would be a poor commander-in-chief if I didn’t take facts on the ground into account.”

McCain team responds: “Today, Barack Obama reversed (his) position, proving once again that his words do not matter. He has now adopted John McCain’s position….” Read full statement.

Earlier: Obama tells reporters in North Dakota he plans a “a thorough assessment” of his Iraq policy during his coming visit to the country. Read his full comments here.

RNC response: “There appears to be no issue that Barack Obama is not willing to reverse himself on for the sake of political expedience.”

It’s very easy to see why people would be drawn to a candidate who professed to be against the war early on and assured them, in speech after speech, that he’d end it quickly.

After eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney, people were so desperate they were seeking a “savior.”

But, that’s never how it works out in the real world, only in movies. And that’s especially how it never works out in politics.

On public financing, FISA, and Iraq, Obama has shifted positions, sometimes 180 degrees, all for one reason: So he can win.

I just hope his followers don’t think he’ll become their savior once again if he’s elected.

Bud White

Great post! I love the WC Fields image, too.

UKforDems

He said exactly what the same as he did in November.

“According to all the reports, we should have been well along our way in getting the Iraqi security forces to be more functional. We then have another 16 months after that to adjust the withdrawal and make sure that we are withdrawing from those areas, based on advice from the military officers in the field, those places where we are secured, made progress and we’re not just willy-nilly removing troops, but we’re making a determination – in this region we see some stability. We’ve had cooperation from local tribal leaders and local officials, so we can afford to remove troops here. Here, we’ve still got problems, it’s going to take a little bit longer. Maybe those are the last areas to pull out.” [New York Times, 11/1/07]

UKforDems

McWar – 100 years and another war in Iran
Obama – a planned withdrawal over 16 months

campingoutindenver

Unless the generals tell him otherwise. Oh, I mean after he consults with the generals and Obama decides to go with what the generals say, by coming out and saying, “I have told the generals this is what we are going to do”.

Teakwood

BO: Courage! What makes a king out of a slave? Courage! What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage! What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist, or the dusky dusk? What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage! What makes the sphinx the seventh wonder? Courage! What makes the dawn come up like thunder? Courage! What makes the Hottentot so hot? What puts the “ape” in apricot? What have they got that I ain’t got?
Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin Woodsman: Courage!
BO: You can say that again! Huh?

The generals could say almost anything to him and he has no experience to know if he is been “McPeek’ed”…

BO; “this is cool”!

Now you’ve gone and done it SusanUnPc. Love WC Fields!

During one of my treks through Afghanistan, we lost our corkscrew. We were compelled to live on food and water for several days.

PhxNickD

do you just read headlines or actually read the articles?

beebop

He’s good with headlines. The rest is just fluff.

soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief

I am kind of curious….I find it simply fascinating how anyone can have a plan on withdrawal and can state “exactly” there intent when they have no idea on whats happening on ground.

Amazing really. If the American people take any of these things at face value, they deserve to have buyers remorse later on down the line. I mean, how the hell can anyone have the nerve and audacity to speak in public they are supporting Senator Obama based on a speech made here, in the Unite States, when the war is happening somewhere else? A place he has not been but yet can state at that time how adamently he opposed it.

But even more, he is outlining a plan on troop withdrawal on camera, here, in the United States, when he hasnt talked to any of the officials on ground. Really? Oh and just to let people know, but I doubt anyone cares since its just easier to belive Senator Obama but the whole “withdrawing the two brigades thing”? It’s called a normal rotation. They were coming home anyway.

Jesus people if you want to ruin lives, ruin yours instead of fucking over the entire country by voting on bullshit pandering. It pays to discover. Think about it. And stop quoting that 100 year crap. Seriously. FYI: If the Democratic party majority we have let something such as this pass (IF it was realistic that is)who are you going to blame then?

Stop playing on peoples ignorance with letting them think everything the president states just magically happens. If thats the case they wouldnt of had to VOTE to send us there originally.

I dont support Senator Obama and I dont support Senator Mccain. However is it to much to ask for people to just like think? Use logic? The reason Senator Mccain does not state a timetable is because he is correct all the way across the board. The mission is not complete for us. No one is going to just yank us out because Senator Obama said so.

If its not Iraq, it will be Afghanistan. It may come as a suprise to alot of people but actually that our job. Some may not like it and some may not understand it, but the thing is, its a voluntary service. One in which, speaking for myself, I love. So people should be real hesitant when they start that whole if Senator Mccain is president he will initate the draft.

Dont worry about that, we got it. Because after viewing the supporters of Senator Obama and the paid bloggers and shills, the thought of them being “drafted” and serving with me is enough to make me reenlist for 100 years just so they wouldnt get the chance to exhibit all the crap I have seen daily.

ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

if thats you Patsy I have missed you and whomever you are, thank you for your service!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief

Hey!
Yep, it is me! I have been lurking mostly lately but this post was one I just could not pass by.

soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief

Sad really…why everyone in the media is focusing on the “Obama Remix” on his positions, crazy for one thing since the small amount of times he actually discussed them, it takes the focus of the current administration and what there doing.

I wish I could create a detox for the obamaide because by the time anyone realizes whats going on around them because of the losers in the Democratic party, the Republicans are being handed everything they want on a silver plater.

Why? Hmmm, well because all they have to quote is how weak our selected nominee is and they all raise there hands saying “yea” because they dont want to appear weak. They are going to get everything they want passed based on the fact as soon as BO doesnt vote for anythind dealing with national security, 527s will be made on that alone.

That is the bigger picture. The reality. So how mad do you think you can get between now and november as an Obama supporter when he begins going with everything the Repugs put on the table.

Just waite..you havent seen shit yet. They knew this was suppose to be a hands down Dem year but because of your, not mine, Democratic Party, they have been handed a fucking blank check with Fisa and god knows what else which we will see before the Dem convention.

Linda K

And I was so looking forward to seeing a Democrat – Hillary in the White House. But maybe something miraculous will happen…Thanks Patty, for your willingness to serve.

Newly Independent

You’re absolutely right.

And that’s why Bill Clinton referred to Obama’s plans for Iraq as a “fairytale.”

It’s a stone nightmare that the DNC conspired to cast aside Hillary & steal the nomination for this jerk.
helen

Patsy
Hello
Thank you for your service
Many will be praying for your safety.
Happy 4th of July.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMA RULES

soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief

Why thank you!

http://mbc MBC

Thanks Patsy for all you do. Please pass on our thanks on to your fellow service men and women.

Teakwood

Thank you for your views and service,soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief

fran

Sell your simplistic “100 years” talking point on an Obot site where they’ll buy it. Everyone knows McCain didn’t meant that literally.

Let’s see, the grandson and son of Admirals and a graduate of Annapolis who survived imprisonment in Hanoi for 5 years; plus he has 20 years experience on the Armed Services Committee and extensive travel around the world…

VS.

Obambi.

Middle America: who do you trust with our national security?

believe

Yep – He’s said the same exact thing from the start. The MSM is too lazy to have paid attention and you folks and McCain want to misrepresent things, but actually, Obama has ALWAYS said this.

Karma

His 20 pro-war votes while in the US Senate said the same exact thing. So did his interviews while defending those votes, but you couldn’t tell the Obamabots any such thing.

Everyone here knows his anti-war bs was false political ground….and you think you are sharing news here!? LOL

believe

He is still anti-war. His position is that the war was a mistake and we need to get out – but carefully. All of that is consistent.

ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

Yes he will check with Nunn and Immelt of GE and the Crown family who runs General Dynamics and THEN he will decide what to do, with his advisers Brezinski and OMalley right? and Powers who told BBC of course that is just campaign talk the withdrawal timeline, and this matches his Goolsbee NAFTA doublespeak

you have been played

ONLY HILLARY committed to pulling out right away and said regardless of conditions on the ground b.c she believes it is our presence causing the problems, only Hillary said that

remember that as he keeps moving Right, hard right, hang on the job is swinging back this way as he goes way way right..

tack a new course for profits….

he is flip flopping on welfare reform now too..he is all over the place on every issue, core Dem issues..

all I have to say OBOTS is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU

beebop

Interesting isn’t it that the Iraq conflict is looking somewhat better and Barry looks scared? Maybe he should have had a few committee meetings for Afghanistan now that more people are dying there than in Iraq? Is he just trying to kick sand in our eyes?

soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief

WoW. I knew someone would see it! They had a article on yahoo news where bush stated we would be moving up our numbers. But gee, no one cares…they would rather keep digging out articles on flip flops of Obama and watch the train wreck that is the Democratic party than realize something huge..fighting two wars at one time. And its right there but no one wants to see it.

The media is reporting it but they are focusing on the BO remixes on his issues. god just for once I wish people would just quit taking this shit at face value, stop thinking a historical election candidate is better than one with experience.

Senator Obama is quoting time tables when we are about to move up numbers by taking away from one location to another. The Repugs are ruthless and when they start bringing out the big guns and turning the clean sweeper on, its all over.

You cannot quote a timetable. I may dislike Senator Obama to the point of nausea, but his advisors in his campaign are straight screwing him over. He should of never did that press conference to clarify when he has not even met one general or official on ground. That is a mistake that surpasses our current president.

The Democratic parties strong point is not national security. They had opportunities they did not utilize and Iraq has never been a strong point for them. He is up shit creek without a paddle, and the magnitude of this is enormous.

He threw what would of been his best bet under the bus on advising him on Iraq. If I didnt no better, I would swear this is a set up. Because if clark was “behind” him, there is no way Senator Obama would be this fucked up when it comes to Iraq.

Hope Floats

Brilliant comment as always, Patsy. Thank you for your service.
Linda K

Thank you Patsy. Very informative.

fran

No, that was HILLARY’S position. Another one that he stole.
Teakwood

anti-war?

Obama,”I don’t oppose all wars”.
NoBama

I do not believe anything Believe says….
Seattle Moss

Everyone is anti-war stupid.

I’m looking forward to talking to an Obamabot I know who thinks beyond hope that Obama will get us out of Iraq like he promised.

I hate to break the news to her.

McCain also hates war and will use American power wisely to protect the worlds vital interests and our own.

Think things are bad now.
How about if we don’t control events in the middle east.
We would be brought to our knees.

HRocks

Obama also said that he would bring back the troops immediately after he’s elected. McCain and Hillary said, it depends on what’s going on.
PhxNickD

No he hasn’t! I went into this election thinking we had some great democrat candidates, then I watched one of BHO’s early interviews where he said he would start pulling troops out quote ON DAY ONE end quote and I realized this guy was an idiot and never looked at him as a real candidate from that day forward.

Bella

I remember that too, He said from day one and then said the rest out within 90 days.

Steven Mather

believe is lying, as noted below.

Leisa

I believe that believe is a paid poster… come on… where do you find the time to post so much BS and still make a living?

tampagurl

Let’s just speak the truth here. None of you really no what Obama would do if he became president. Most likely he would not pull the troops out right away because we all no that’s not pragmatic. He would tell us some BS and you Obambecile’s will swoon and fall all over him for making such an enlightened decision.

tampagurl

Gee. I should have proof read my post. It should be know not no

memyself&i

I heard Obama saying troops would be out by 2009. How is that 16 months?
Steven Mather

UKforDems, and his brownshirt ilk, do not want you to look at Obama’s words about withdrawal prior to November 7 because originally, he did not qualify his statement with the “on the ground” proviso. His stated position was to have the troops out, except for a remedial force, by March 31. 2008.

In time, Obama’s webscrubbers will eliminate these nasty facts, so nothing in the record can contradict their historical revisionism.
beebop

Getting dizzy yet from the spinning there sweetie? I’d ask you which “position” you think is in peril next, but I think he’s changed all of them …. Now he’s just creating new ones not even expected. Like the faith based initiatives?

CJ

Crash…oh sorry…I just fell off the turnip truck again!
Zee

Oh, come on!!!

Markos is abandoning Obama…and I posted the comedy for all to see but the link killed the comment!!

Zee

Go to Canonfire to see a hilarious parsing of Markos and his denunciation of the ObaMessiah…savor it….who thought we’d be at this point before November or January???

Zee

OMG!!! Go look at them all….they are eating their own at Americablog! lolololol

Heads are imploding.

The Obamabots realize the koolaid is poisoned!

Hope Floats

Don’t drink the brown koolaid!

ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

post this for our OBOT friends
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU

Teakwood

Mars Attack?

AF catfish

Where is Canonfire?

I love that CNN is calling this a “do-over press conference by Obama.”

wac for hillary

How many tries does he get?
ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

gee ya think Ahimidinejad will give him a do over?

good gawd..

believe

You folks love to make stuff up. Kos’s most recent post is about how Obama is winning in Montana. Yeah, he said he was unhappy about FISA, but in no shape or form is he abandoning Obama.
cofer

From Kos:

And, of late, he’s been doing a lot of unecessary stabbing, betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician. Not that I ever bought it, but Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides. That’s not an indictment, just an observation.

believe

That’s two days old and in the very same post, Kos says:

I want him to win big

ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

and if wishes were horses then beggars would ride, but they aren’t and they don’t and he won’t..

PUMA
Teakwood

In the immortal words Of Mr Johnson;

Fuck Kos.

Zee

McCain cracks me up…Obama has now adopted the McCain strategy!!!!

I don’t think it’s SAFE to pass the popcorn until we quit laughing, to prevent the possibility of choking to death…!!

wac for hillary

Since Obama stole all of Hillary’s positions, McCain should have expected it and probably did.

helen

Is obama’s theme song “blowing in the wind” or “changes”?
Does he even have a steady position on anything?

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMA RULES

beebop

What about “Changealot?” I remember Robert Goulet singing it, don’t you?

Bella

LMAO watch the video from 1:02.

Obama is TOTALLY THE DEM VERSION OF GEORGE W BUSH!

s. hall

bella — yes Obama is the third term of GW Bush. Before you cop out on everything you told the American people you need to be President first. Obama expects us all to understand that there is a reason he has no morals and he states it in such a high moral tone. I am so sick of this amateur. McCain 08 — for sanity’s sake.

Bella

We need to start an Obamaism list.

That scratching of the head and “umm….err… uhh…. umm” is classic! Obama can’t function without his

blankie

teleprompters.

Hope Floats

HA HA HA. It’s uncanny. I felt like I was watching the most recent White House press corps dinner.

janetintexas

The question just keeps coming back to me: If the democrat is going to act like the republican, then why don’t we just vote for the republican? John McCain is not lying to us — we can see his positions pretty clearly, whether we agree with them or not.

Both of these candidates are seriously flawed, and now, no matter which way the election goes, all the Hillary people will be able to rightfully say, “I told you so.” Hillary Clinton was the only one consistently on the correct side of the issues, and honest about being fooled by George Bush.

wac for hillary

I’ll vote for the guy who isn’t lying to us.

The Real Hope

It is really quite satisfying to go over to HuffyDope and read all the disenchanted postings! Couldn’t they see the writing on the wall? Their Little Bambi is not up to the task of being POTUS. He hasn’t got the vision, foresight or command to be in charge of this nation. His inexperience and lack of knowledge is beginning to shake up his kool-aid followers. Heaven forbid if they should have to wake up and smell the coffee.

believe

I’ve never voted for a candidate who I agreed with on everything. And Obama supporters are mature and sophisticated enough to understand that. We also know how dangerous the Republicans are.

wodiej

mature??? HAHAHAHA

believe

You folks always have such insightful responses.

socalannie

Yes we do. That must be why you’re always here, trying to dominate the threads.
tampagurl

You folks always have such insightful responses.

wahahahahahahahahahahah ROFLMAO
wodiej

the answer fits the question….
Bella

FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS.

Hope Floats

But… but… Evil Bambi is flexible, and his positions are nuanced. He’s just a politician!

memyself&i

I never voted for a candidate I agreed with then disagreed with then agreed with then disagreed with …. I still won’t. That’s why I won’t be voting for Obama.

The mendacity of hope and change.
Newly Independent

“And Obama supporters are mature and sophisticated enough to understand that.”

Frankly, you guys aren’t “mature and sophisticated enough.”

You and your ilk let Obama and the Democratic party do your thinking for you. Instead of thinking for yourselves.
Teakwood

We also know how dangerous the Republicans are

And your going to vote for an igit, that you DON’T how know how dangerous he is, And “believe” me he is.

Peggy Sue

I found it interesting [and oh so typical] that Obama had to call a press conference to explain and contextualize a comment he made during a press conference. One of those: this is what I said but this is what I really meant moments. You have to give it to Obama, he’s on a roll with these reversals and his “inartful” comments are becoming an art form.

As astounding as the shift in positions are the ragged explanations from supporters [though I notice even on the Kos blog and the Huffy Post, the wiggle-waggle is losing it's luster and in some cases showing true disillusionment].

Surprised? No. But self-destruct mode is never pleasant to watch.

PUMApac.org

PUMApac.org

Zee

Self-destruct not pleasant to watch????? Who ARE you, Mother Teresa???????

OMG….The Obama camp just held an online question and answer series on FISA and even the more rabid Obamafundamentalists on Americablog were calling it a bullshit session full of self-congratulation.

lolololol — WHAT DO you call fun?????????

believe

Democrats love to argue because we believe dissent is patriotic. You’d be foolish to think this costs Obama any votes.

campingoutindenver

Believe, do you believe that Clinton will pick OB as the VP at the convention? What are your beliefs on this?

believe

Who is OB?

CJ

Obama with dyslexia or perhaps a tampon invented by a woman gynecologist. Come on…who is OB! Very funny believe.
campingoutindenver

Do you think he will accept it if she asks?
Hope Floats

OB Wan Can Blow Me.

beebop

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahha!!!!!!

ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama

Weelll Uhhbama has now begun his transformation from Annakin to Vader, so maybe he has gone form BO to OB ……

Hope Floats

He killed younglings! He’s tootally gone over to the dark side. Oops. Was that racist?

Helen S

Believe. who ever gave you that name ( or you chose it) did an good job of selecting it . Judging from your comments and responses you will “believe” anything
Newly Independent

“You’d be foolish to think this costs Obama any votes.”

You’re beyond delusion to even think that this doesn’t cost Obama any votes.

wac for hillary

Maybe Obama should go to the canned questions like GWB did when he held a press conference. That way when he goofs up the answer, his aides can pass out WORM answer sheets to the media. It’ll save him having to look stupid multiple times on one question.

wodiej

what is being said on the Obama blogs, I don’t think I can stomach going over there

Zee

They are eating their own! It doesn’t get any better than this.

If the media runs with Obama’s base abandoning him, Obama flip-flopping on everything….and PUMA STANDING STRONG??????

Say hello to Hillary at the convention!!! Come ON…kick in. The house of cards must come down.

s. hall

zee your comment made my day. Thank you so much. Reality is not a friend of Obama’s. However, the more the economy collapses the more people realize they need a President who knows what to do on Day 1. Didn’t Hillary say that all along?
believe

This is front-paged at Kos right now. It sure doesn’t sound like a lot of anger at Obama.

It was good of Senator Obama to address the subject, and to take notice of the fact that the group of supporters asking him to consider a different position on the upcoming FISA bill had quickly become the single largest group organized on his web site to date. He’s not a United States Senator and the Democratic nominee for President for nothing. And neither are the organizers’ efforts undeserving of attention.

The substantive differences remain largely unresolved, and likely will remain so. But if Obama wasn’t OK with that, he probably wouldn’t have run for president. And if you weren’t OK with it, you probably wouldn’t be participating on blogs.
Hope Floats

Zee, you’re cracking me up! I think I’ve been a Republican all my life, I’m having so much fun watching this. No snark. I don’t feel even a teensy bit bad about this.

believe

I saw Obama speak in February and he said the very same thing.

And there really isn’t a big uproar about this in the left blogosphere — You are really out of date — all that has settled down.

campingoutindenver

Yes we can’t!

Yes we can’t!

Yes we can’t!
Disgusted

Wow, You really are a loyal bot. I will give you that.
tampagurl

Come on Believe….The boat has sprung a leak!! And everyone is starting to bail.
Karma

No, you are out of date and it isn’t by a few months either.

He has been stating that we can’t pull out of Iraq, ever since he hit the US Senate and actually had to vote.

But Obamabots have insisted otherwise….

believe

Not really. He’s been saying that we have to be as careful getting out as careless getting in.

I googled the phrase it can up with 184,000 hits
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=QGZ&q=careful+getting+out+careless+getting+in+obama+iraq&btnG=Search

Karma

All those quotes are from 2008.

I’m discussing earlier statements…supporting his pro war votes.

The new Dem in the Senate claiming to be against the war before he had to vote for it.

It only took a matter of DAYS in the US Senate before he was voting to support those who had lied us into war, fund the war, or those who profit from the war.

He isn’t an anti-war candidate…like most of his followers have been lead to believe.

Believe….your nic even represent the deceit.

katmandu

Here’s what Rick Klein said at ABC’s Political Punch:

There’s been lots of speculation this week about whether Sen. Barack Obama has an Iraq problem. He does now.

His comments Thursday, saying that he will “continue to refine” his plan to withdraw combat troops from Iraq inside of 16 months, seems likely to leave the campaign on the defensive on this issue for days or weeks.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/obamas-iraq-qua.html

The title of the piece? “Obama’s Iraq Quagmire”

believe

Wow – Those ABC folks sure hate Obama.

He’s been saying the same thing for — well, forever. It’s a standard line in his speeches, that he will do what makes sense given conditions on the ground.

When I heard him speak, it got a huge roar of approval. Why? Because folks are sick of Bush and how he does the same thing no matter what the conditions warrant.

Bella

FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS

HI MECHELLE!
Steven Mather

believe believes that forever began with the November speech because Obama did not use the on the ground proviso until that speech. He is lying or ignorantly evangelizing the lie.

beebop

believe is free to believe whatever he’d like. the comments out on the blogs are evidence to the contrary. lots and lots of (former?) Barry supporters (and, need we add, MONEY GIVERS?) are vowing to vote for Ralph …. goodness. Who expected fireworks of this magnitude ??? Yep. That Barry. Such a patriot!

ritamary

Oh those horrible mean old ABC folks! Like the debate where they actually asked questions without making Hillary give an answer first! It is probably racism, don’t you think so “believe”?

PInk Panther

Bamboozler (n): One who deceives by trickery; Obama.

Bamboozled (transitive verb): To be deceived by trickery/duped: Obama supporters.
Teresa

Last November, I mentioned to a friend that in one year by the time of the general election in Nov. 2008 the Iraqi war will not be the same issue it is today. This staunchly anti-war friend had a puzzled look and I explained. Maliki was before the UN Security Council for a one year extension on the UN mandate for the presence of coalition troops on Iraqi soil. At that time he said this will be the last time I need to appear before the Security Council. Taken at his word that means the occupation will end in November 2008.

Meanwhile, the negotiations on the Iraq Security Agreement that will govern foreign troops operating in Iraq after Nov. 2008 is almost finalized. The last major hurdle relating to jurisdiction over foreign troops and their civilian contractors for civil and criminal liability arising from unauthorized acts and for freedom to engage in combat operations have now been finally resolved in favor of the Iraqi government. The Iraqi government will have supreme command of all military operations in the country and be able to prosecute foreign troops and contractors who commit criminal acts inside the country. Full Iraqi sovereignty has been established. the Iraqi foreign minister expects the agreement to be signed in the next two weeks.

Finally, the virulent anti-Bush, anti-American Der Spiegel, just look at some their covers from the last five years here:
http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/davids-medienkr.html
has this to say about Bagdad today:

There is an unexpected air of normalcy prevailing in Baghdad these days, with consumption flourishing and confidence in the government growing. The progress is astonishing…
…the number of optimists is growing, and the administration of US President George W. Bush no longer has a monopoly on confidence…
…the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia have now announced that they will be sending ambassadors to Baghdad
…The government has now been able to give its civil servants a generous pay increase…
…German automotive giant Daimler plans to open an office in Baghdad and build trucks there…
…King Abdullah II of Jordan…recently said something astonishing …”I am actually optimistic for the first time on Iraq. It’s the first time that I have felt that Iraqis have, as much as they can, bound themselves together into a unity.”

the article ends with how Sadr has gone from sectarian warrior to nothing more than a foe of globalization. Read it all here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,563471,00.html
vinnie

And my favorite is:

we would like to congratulate him for accepting John McCain’s principled stand on this critical national security issue.

LMAO! Ouchie.

Bella

Lurve it.

First he copies Hillary now he’s copying McCain.

The DNC elite must cringe everytime Obama opens his mouth without a teleprompter.

beebop

He really needs a handler. Maybe Ed can find him a DOG HANDLER ….. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

cofer

Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

believe

Contact all the news sources immediately – and Rush – and the FBI!!!

cofer

believe in what? Fool
Leisa

Believe, your faith has filled you with empty rhetoric.

Learn and weep, Obama is a peep.

http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

LOL Obama is changing on FISA, and Iraq because of Crown Family. Crown Family owns Wireless One Network part of AT&T and Alltel to name a few. Iraq with Crown’s owning large part of General Dynamics is a no brainer!

To see what Obama is all about on the money side of the fence he plays on, simply go check out the 2016 Chicago Olympic Commitee members and see how many of them are working on Obama’s campaign, then do the math with billions available to all these greedy people if Chicago gets the Games next year.

It will never happen if McCain is POTUS since the IOC hates McCain for his attacks against them as Chair of the Senate Commitee on them over bribery in the Salt Lake Games!

This side of flip flops by Obama is all about the money, tons of money, over $50 billion in money to them!

s. hall

mel — Why did this have to happen a day before the 4th of July? When this is brought up again Obama will say its old news. Obama is as slippery as a snake and has more skins then I have had hot dinners.

http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

It is’t old news though, even though Bambi wants it to be.

Why do you think Obama took over the DNC for, one reason to control those entering the Senate and Hose, why, to get the Fed money Chicago needs to fix its screwed up infrastructure for the Games, one of its losing factors with the IOC. Billions, $27 Billion needed just there!

Obama can call whatever he wants old news, that is the old Saul Alinsky tactic, but it is never old news if it is continually attacked front and center!

And don’t forget which media is the Olympic channel too, spending a billion for the 2012 Games alone!

And the Games in China are coming up, is Bambi going to continue is skirting around Bush attending the Opening Ceremonies, any bets he will!

Hope Floats

But just like Bush, Obama drops the bomb before the weekend starts. “Missing emails? What missing emails? Oh, thooose missing emails. We’ll get back to you after Labor Day.”
wac for hillary

Is the correct answer NBC?

Disgusted

So how many people do you think voted for Obama soley on his Iraq stance? Half, Three Quarters? Obama is on his “piss off the voters tour 2008″.

s. hall

disgusted — Obama feels comfortable pissing off Democrats because in his words — where can we go? I would like to tell him where he can go but instead I will vote for McCain — a lot of people wasted a tremendous amount of money building up this dead ass. A fool and his money are soon parted.

AF catfish

Is there anything left for him to flip flip on?

jjran

His wife…..that’s not the micHelle I knew since we were married…..
s. hall

af — he could always say Larry Sinclair is right.

believe

The question is how, not whether, we withdraw

Today, Barack Obama said that when he goes to Iraq and meets with military commanders on the ground, he will use the information he learns as part of his continuing process of refining his policies. What he said wasn’t anything new. He’s always said we need to be as careful getting out as we were careless (edit: I’d initially omitted that word by accident!) getting in — but the important point is that he has consistently said we are getting out.

Nonetheless, Republicans predictably sought to portray Barack’s comments as a flip-flop on Iraq. (Obviously, their goal is to drive a wedge between Obama and Democratic activists.) The GOP is merely parroting the McCain campaign, the original source of this meme.

The GOP spin is nonsense. Barack Obama has consistently supported ending the war in Iraq. He has not wavered, not one bit. There is no chance that he will change his position on it.

As for the question of how we withdraw (not whether), doesn’t it make sense to listen to the commanders on the ground? Why should one be dogmatic about methods as opposed to goals?

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/the-question-is.html

tampagurl

Come on Believe, you’re not that stupid.

beebop

believe believes that at some point there will be less change and more hopey that he can believe in ….

CJ

Before he was going to get us out of the war in 16 months, but now he has finally decided to get some information on the subject in order to “refine” his policies. Don’t you think he should have done this before he made promises of a timeline? This goes back to the whole expierence issue, or actually lack of.
Bella

Funny how Barry had no plans to go to Iraq until Mac called him out on it.
Hope Floats

But just think if Obama actually had experience. He’d know how our military works and be able to make his own decisions.
wac for hillary

God, I’d hate to be the poor officer having to brief Obama. I remember Larry talking about how impressed he was by Hillary’s insightful questions. Now think of Obama in that situation–scary, isn’t it?

beebop

It wouldn’t be so bad except with the uh’s and um’s it adds a good half hour to the process.

cathnealon

Comment to believe
“How we withdraw”? He based his candidacy on a speech(why am I not surprised) he made in 2002 stating that he was against going to war remember? Now he wants to give a generic statement stating that he will get the troops out. Well, Hillary said the same thing, McCain said he will get them out in 100 years, no one doubts at some point the troops will come home. The point is he made himself out to be some wise leader who knew before everyone else how bad it was to go to Iraq. Now he wants to parse his words and gather info and change his original strategy, What? See the problem is the product doesn’t deliver, his supporters have bought something that’s a fake and doesn’t work. It’s a dud, send it back.

Hmm

Its interesting how now that the media does not have Hillary to punch in the face every day they seem to be turning on their beloved pet Obama.

Its like watching one of those flesh eating zombie movies-when the zombies (the press) first turn they dont quite want to eat their friends and let them get away. But they soon adjust and gobble away.

beebop

I know. I LOVE it … don’t you? Journalism in revival, eh?

rjj

Halliburton has the no-bid contract on election season corners-being-turned and lights-at-the-end-of-tunnels product lines.

rjj

snark in response to Comment by Teresa | 2008-07-03 18:58:45

Hope the article is true.
wac for hillary

And Blackwater is providing security.

beebop

Barry supports Blackwater … maybe he’s just thinking about leaving them there and pulling out the troops … maybe tht’s what he really meant … right?

justsomeone

Disguested, my guess? 5% voted for him because they do not want to continue on with dynastic families i.e. Clintons/Bushes. 45% voted for him because they want the US out of Iraq. Another 45% voted for him because they want something for nothing hand outs. The remaining 5% was either cross over voting or the luck of the draw.

Disgusted

Not sure about that one. I was thinking more along the lines of 48% on Iraq, 22% because he is black, 7% because of Clinton hatred, 8% crossover and 15% stupidity. You could be right though IT IS an imperfect science.

Disgusted

What group do you think believe is in? I will go with the 15%.

cathnealon

Well, his spiritual guru Wright warned us that he’s just a politician who’ll say anything, “that’s what politicians do.” Now it’s not so much fun anymore without Hillary to destroy. With Senator Clinton out of the way it’s just him and he’s not in Kansas(or Chicago) anymore. He’s got to convince the “bitter”people to go for him and since that’s never going to happen we’ll see one press conference after another ad nauseum because that’s all he’s got, words and even his speeches and statements are losing their appeal. Changing positions every day speaks to a person’s character and eventually wears people out, one by one they’ll throw him under the bus.
believe

Obama said he had not changed his position regarding Iraq troop withdrawals, but that he could “refine” his policy after assessing the situation there.

This, of course, echoes what Obama said at the Sept. 26 NBC News/MSNBC debate from Dartmouth, N.H., (see full transcript at link) when neither he nor Clinton nor Edwards would commit to having troops out by 2013.

“I think it’s hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible,” Obama said then. “We don’t know what contingency will be out there. What I can promise is that if there are still troops in Iraq when I take office, which it appears there may be unless we can get some of our Republican colleagues to change their mind and cut off funding without a timetable, if there’s no timetable, then I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we’re carrying out counterterrorism activities there.

“I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don’t want to make promises not knowing what the situation’s going to be three or four years out.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/03/1182955.aspx

cofer

believe, the word Sucker in the headline of this post, meant you.

believe

Love the way you don’t address the fact — shown in quotes I posted – that Obama said this literally thousands of times.

Bella

I’m so sorry your plastic messiah is a bigger fraud and liar than GW Bush.

Should we put you on suicide watch, sweetie?

http://deleted imustprotest

I’m not going to “refine” my position on Barry. Always was, always will be NObama.

tampagurl

Read the whole transcript!!!!

FULL NBC/MSNBC TRANSCRIPT:
MR. RUSSERT: Good evening, and welcome. We have some big issues to talk about tonight, so let’s start right now.

Senator Obama, I’d like to start with you. General Petraeus in his testimony before Congress, later echoed by President Bush, gave every indication that in January of 2009 when the next president takes office, there will be 100,000 troops in Iraq. You’re the president. What do you do? You said you would end the war. How do you do it in January of 2009?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, first of all, Tim, let me say thank you to Dartmouth for hosting this event.

And let me also say that had my judgment prevailed back in 2002, we wouldn’t be in this predicament. I was opposed to this war from the start, have been opposed to this war consistently. But I have also said that there are no good options now; there are bad options and worse options.

I hope and will work diligently in the Senate to bring an end to this war before I take office. And I think that it is very important at this stage, understanding how badly the president’s strategy has failed, that we not vote for funding without some timetable for this war.

If there are still large troop presences in when I take office, then the first thing I will do is call together the Joint Chiefs of Staff and initiate a phased redeployment. We’ve got to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. But military personnel indicate we can get one brigade to two brigades out per month.

I would immediately begin that process. We would get combat troops out of Iraq. The only troops that would remain would be those that have to protect U.S. bases and U.S. civilians, as well as to engage in counterterrorism activities in Iraq.

The important principle, though, is there are not going to be any military solutions to the problem in Iraq. There has to be a political accommodation, and the best way for us to support the troops and to stabilize the situation in Iraq is to begin that phased redeployment.

MR. RUSSERT: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term more than five years from now, there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq?

SEN. OBAMA: I think it’s hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don’t know what contingency will be out there.

What I can promise is that if there are still troops in Iraq when I take office, which it appears there may be unless we can get some of our Republican colleagues to change their mind and cut off funding without a timetable, if there’s no timetable, then I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we’re carrying out counterterrorism activities there.

I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don’t want to make promises not knowing what the situation’s going to be three or four years out.

tampagurl

Obama implied he was going to take the troops out right away no matter what else he said.

IndayHill

Obama will sell his soul to the devil if he could, in exchange for the most powerful job on earth.
He is so undecided of his decisions & it shows his weakness as the commander-in-chief.Danger ahead!
GWB is better than BHO!

Hillary or McCain ’08
believe

184,000 hits on the same exact thing he said today — said over many, many months

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=QGZ&q=careful+getting+out+careless+getting+in+obama+iraq&btnG=Search

cofer

be-leave
Hope Floats

Obama’s a pandering liar who will say or do anything to be the President.

sic721

Exactly. Depends on who he’s talking to
where he ‘stands’.
Remember the ferryman in “The Outlaw Josey Wales”
talking to the carpetbagger?

Sim Carstairs: You bet. You know in my line of work, you gotta be able either to sing “The Battle Hymn Of The Republic” or “Dixie” with equal enthusiasm… dependin’ upon present company.
Carpetbagger: Can’t say as I blame you for that. Only good business to play it safe.

justsomeone

rjj, am not sure I understand your point about Halliburton, I thought Exon Mobil & others also had no bid contracts.

rjj

it was an attempt at a joke in response to optimism of the Spiegel article. During election seasons gas prices go down and great progress in Iraq is always made.

tiberius

Is there anything left for him to flip flip on?

Well, I suppose you can count on McCain not to flip-flop.

He hasn’t on Iraq. What’s $341.4 million dollars a day times 100 years?

He hasn’t flip-flopped on the Bush tax cuts. Nor on his assertion that he’ll balance the budget in spite of them.

No flip-flopping on his Right to Life stance.

Or on his desire to privatize Social Security.

No flip-flopping on Iran. He might be trying to decide if it’s better for Israel to bomb them than us. Does he have a game plan for when Iran retalliates by sending a few hundred-thousand ground troops across the Iraqi border? They’ve got 513,000 regulars in the field, and 350,000 reserves; 3 battalions of Marines; plus 1,000,000 Basij civilian volunteers. They’ve got 2 heavy destroyers, 3 frigates, 2 corvettes, and 10 fast-attack missle ships. 1,245 heavy tanks. 2,320 pieces of heavy artillary. 100 AH-1J attack helicopters. And they don’t have to commute halfway around the world to get them where they want them. There’s also the minor problem that they could stop all oil traffic in the Strait of Hormuz.

Just minor details, of course.

Teresa

Just one more minor detail, the US GDP is $13,843,855 milliom dollars per year according to the IMF. That means the US produces $37,928 million in goods every day. Accordingly, the $341.4 million per day that you quote cost the US less than 1% of its GDP every day. EOn a pure economic basis, that’s chump change.

If you are looking for the real expenditures that are dragging the economy, start cutting social entitlement spending. Entitlements account for over 65% of the annual budget, that’s a lot of pork. The entire defense budget is only one tenth of that.

justsomeone

How anti war idealistic will people be if oil hits $200 a barrel?

believe

Huh? How is one related to another except for the fact that our spending on the war made the dollar weak thus making gas more expensive when priced in dollars?

cofer

Talk to Soros on that.
Teresa

What percentage of the US GDP is being spent on Iraq and Afghanistan combined?
tampagurl

You don’t “believe ” your own bullshit do you believe?
HRocks

Our dollar became weak because of the credit cards, the sub prime mortgages, people spending and not saving, off shoring workers because of a Bush Tax Credit to corporations, and other things that affect our economy.
Bush made a lot of bad decisions and since Obama has less experience in making these type of decisions, I can just see our country becoming worse rather than better regardless of what happens with the war.

Big Oil

I think this is good of Barack Obama to change his position on Iraq. Let the troops finished the job, the surge is working. Bringign them home in 16 months will be disastrous.

Hope Floats

Your commentary is invaluable. I think you should keep that name just to mess with the trolls.

http://nad Dan

There are no more excuses in trying to defend Obama’s lies or flip flopps, Only a blind ego could support this phony man. But some try and it’s sad to see and to think he once called Hillary Clinton disigenuous, what a hypocrite.
ssmith

GUYS: Darraugh Murphy of PUMA PAC is on RIGHT NOW.. she is taking calls.. PLEASE LISTEN.. and CALL in if you wish..

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT

believe

Oh, the one that gave $500 to McCain in 2000 and who supports McCain now — that Republican?

tampagurl

Believe, the Republicans and PUMA’s are united in a common cause and that is to kick Obama to the curb, OK!!!
wac for hillary

If anybody wants to know the truth about her contribution, Riverdaughter has an article about it, “What do these people have in common?” Of course, it’s a tad bit different than the Obamabot spin.
Hope Floats

I would have given McCain $500 in 2000. He would’ve kept Bush from getting the nomination in a year the incumbent was weak.

http://deleted imustprotest

I’ve thought the same thing, if I’d had $500 extra in 2000 I would have sent it to McCain in 2000 to keep Bush out. I also felt sorry for the guy after getting beat up by Bushies friends.

believe

John Cole July 3, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Sorry, I am just not feeling it today. I suppose I am supposed to be hyperventilating about this Obama statement:

“I’ve always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed,” he said. “And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”

But, since that is what he has said all along, I guess I just can’t find it in me to freak out.

Hope Floats

I will keep US troops in the Middle East forever.

That’s what McCain said. “Even if it takes 100 years, I will only withdraw troops when the US is perfectly safe, and I will rely on the advice of commanders on the ground.” Except Obama lied and promised he would withdraw troops immediately throughout his campaign.

http://deleted imustprotest

He was obviously using hyperbole to make a strong point. The Obamacampbots just want to pull that out of context and twist the intent. But Barry flip flops all over and they call it “refining”.

believe

LOTS OF QUOTES FROM OBAMA OVER MANY MONTHS – SAYING THE SAME EXACT THING

OBAMA HAS CONSISTENTLY SAID HE WILL LISTEN TO COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND IN IMPLEMENTING HIS POLICY

June 2008: Obama: I’ve Consistently Said That I Will Consult With Military Commanders On The Ground And Be Open To The Possibility Of Tactical Adjustments. Obama said, “I’ve also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments. The important thing is to send a clear signal to the Iraqi people and most importantly to the Iraqi leadership that the U.S. occupation in Iraq is finite, it is gonna be coming to a foreseeable end.” [MSNBC, 6/16/08]

March 2008: Obama Said He Would Give Senior Military Leaders Opinions Great Weight In Implementing His Iraq Plan But As Commander In Chief Would Make His Own Assessment Of The Situation. Obama was asked “what weight will you give to the counsel of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the CENTCOM [U.S. Central Command] commander, the combatant commander on the ground in Iraq and current intelligence chiefs on the ground in Iraq regarding an immediate phased withdrawal?” Obama said, “I will give their counsel great weight. But, as commander in chief, it is my responsibility to make my own assessment of the situation. We must send a clear signal to the Iraqi political leadership that we are leaving Iraq on a timeline. Doing so will put pressure on those leaders to begin to resolve the political impasse at the heart of this civil war. But I also want to be clear about another thing. I am worried our Army is overstretched and that we have asked an awful lot from our military families. Many in our senior military leadership are worried about a plan that will keep 130,000 troops on the ground in Iraq for the foreseeable future. So, as commander in chief, I will also have to take into consideration the counsel of other senior military leaders who may be concerned that Iraq is undercutting our ability to confront other security challenges.” [Washington Post, 3/2/08]

March 2008: Obama Said The Size Of The Residual Force Will Depend On Consultation With Military Commanders And “Will Depend On The Circumstances On The Ground.” Obama said, “The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation. But let me be clear on one thing: I will end this war, and there will be far fewer Americans in Iraq conducting a much more limited set of missions that include counterterrorism and protection of our embassy and U.S. civilians.” [Washington Post, 3/2/08]

November 2007: Obama Said He Would Leave Residual Troops In Iraq Based On The Levels Of Violence, “It’s Not My Job To Specify Troop Levels.” Obama said, “If we see a serious effort by the Iraqi leadership to arrive at an agreement and an accommodation and you’ve seen continued reductions of violence, then you need one level of troop protection for the embassy…If things have gone to hell in a hand basket then you need another … It’s not my job to specify troop levels. My job is to tell our commanders on the ground, ‘Here’s your mission. Protect our embassy, protect our diplomats and our humanitarian workers in the area and make sure al Qaeda in Iraq, or other terrorist organizations inside of Iraq are not re-establishing bases there.” [Fosters, 11/28/07]

November 2007: Obama Said U.S. Has To Make Sure “We Are Not Just Willy-Nilly Removing Troops” And That It May “Take A Little Bit Longer” In Some Areas Where There Is Less Stability. “According to all the reports, we should have been well along our way in getting the Iraqi security forces to be more functional. We then have another 16 months after that to adjust the withdrawal and make sure that we are withdrawing from those areas, based on advice from the military officers in the field, those places where we are secured, made progress and we’re not just willy-nilly removing troops, but we’re making a determination – in this region we see some stability. We’ve had cooperation from local tribal leaders and local officials, so we can afford to remove troops here. Here, we’ve still got problems, it’s going to take a little bit longer. Maybe those are the last areas to pull out.” [New York Times, 11/1/07]

November 2007: Obama: “If The Commanders Tell Me They Need X, Y And Z, In Order To Accomplish The Very Narrow Mission That I’ve Laid Out, Than I Will Take That Into Consideration.” “You raise a series of legitimate questions. As commander in chief, I’m not going to leave trainers unprotected. In our counterterrorism efforts, I’m not going to have a situation where our efforts can’t be successful. We will structure those forces so they can be successful. We would still have human intelligence capabilities on the ground. Some of them would be civilian, as opposed to military, some would be operating out of our bases as well as our signal intelligence…But listen, I am not going to set up our troops for failure and I’m going to do something half-baked. If the commanders tell me that they need X, Y and Z, in order to accomplish the very narrow mission that I’ve laid out, than I will take that into consideration.” [New York Times, 11/1/07]

November 2007: Obama: “Even Something As Simple As Protecting Our Embassy Is Going To Dependent On What Is The Security In Baghdad…If There Is Some Sense Of Security, Then That Means One Level Of Force. If You Continue To Have Significant Sectarian Conflict, That Means Another.” “I have not ascribed particular numbers to that and I won’t for precisely the reason I was just talking to Michael about. I want to talk to military folks on the ground, No. 1. No. 2, a lot of it depends on what’s happened on the political front and the diplomatic front. Even something as simple as protecting our embassy is going to be dependent on what is the security environment in Baghdad. If there is some sense of security, then that means one level of force. If you continue to have significant sectarian conflict, that means another, but this is an area where Senator Clinton and I do have a significant contrast.” [New York Times, 11/1/07]

Karma

Pssst….and that is point we’ve been making….that he won’t pull out of Iraq.

You act like this is news to people here.

It isn’t…..we know it….the Obamabots are the ones who don’t.

Spread your list over at HuffPo and soothe the deluded who are having kool-aid hangovers.

Hair of the dog and all….give them more kool-aid to drink.
Steven Mather

believe continues to foist his lies on Obama’s original, pre-November position that did not include the “on-the-ground” proviso.
Helen S

Believe, initally I was reading your post out of respect, however the more and longer you post I am passing up your deivle, I now “believe” you are a paid Obama person Good Night
Hope Floats

This is hilarious. “See! He’s a liar! He’s the best candidate ever. You’d be crazy not to vote for him.”

http://deleted imustprotest

Yes Hope Floats, I believe that’s what believe said!

http://nad Dan

Saddam Hussein had his neighbors living with gas masks and Hillary’s position on the war was the right one “to send a strong message to Saddam to let the inspectors finish their work” too bad Bush had a sneaky different plan in mind and it really was McCains plan that stopped or slowed down the bloodbath with the surge, someone had to do somthing for those kids dying out there in Iraq and Obama was against the surge that (like it or not) stopped the bleeding.
jjran

“I can unequivocally say: the Obama campaign is making a very serious mistake,” said Ariana Huffington, writing on the liberal Huffington Post blog. “Tacking to the centre is a losing strategy.”

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST THE UPDATED LIST OF OBAMA FIP-PLOPPING TODATE….THIS IS GETTING BEYOUND FUNNY!!

beebop

It pleases me now end to see Arianna stamp her Republican little foot!

jjran

I SAY DENVER IS WHERE THE DEM NOMINEE WILL BE DECIDED……

1> HILLARY 08
2> McCain 08
k in the northwest

The more this guy opens his mouth the stupier he sounds.
Doesnt Obama realize that the vast majority of his speeches have been recorded and written down. they have been recorded and/or written down only by the media but by his own campaign sight.

Every time he changes position and is caught, his come back is so lame. Obama doesnt even seem to have the common sense to check his own previous history before inserting foot.

tiberius

I wonder many Obama speeches you’ve listened to or read all the way through? I guess your main source of Obama info is right here.

You really think he sound stupid?

Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard University in 1991. While there, he was President of the Harvard Law Review.

He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996) and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).

This is not the stuff of stupid.

beebop

Have you ever met a really book smart person who was dumb as a stump? He’s a classic example of someone who’s too smart (or believes he is) for his own good. Bush has an IQ of 125 … just sayin’

tiberius

Folks like that generally don’t get through Harvard, become president of the Review, become lecturers on constitutional law, get promoted to senior positions, and have meteoric rises in politics. I suspect that takes a lot more than an unusually high level of book smarts. They can also have their careers derailed anywhere along the way by any indication of impropriety, and tend to be looked at very closely in that regard.

Apparently Bush is of above average intelligence, despite all evidence to the contrary. I concede the point that smart ain’t everything. Some of history’s biggest troublemakers have been smart as hell.

Hope Floats

Obama’s already treading thin ice. The only reason he ran now instead of after his first year in the Senate is because he could have got caught up in a big scandal if he waited longer.

HRocks

Sounds like you’re impressed with his credentials but as a person he doesn’t live up to those credentials. IF he graduated magna cum laude, he should’ve been clerking for a Federal Judge. BTW, Harvard Law School is #4 in the nation. He got to be the editor of the Law Review thru affirmative action, BTW Hillary served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action but she didn’t brag about it.Hillary is a member of The Honor Society of Phi Kappa Phi (or simply Phi Kappa Phi) is the oldest, largest and most selective all-discipline honor society for colleges or universities in the United States. Obama is not a member of this organization.

It appears to me that Obama has been copying Hillary for many years now.

http://deleted imustprotest

I “believe” the smartest person for the job of POTUS was thrown under the bus by the DNC. You remember her HRC.

http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com SUGAR

Boy, the Obamatrons don’t have a clue what they are in for. lol There will be lots more of this stuff. This flip flopping like a damn goldfish out of water. BHO is basically winging it on the campaign trail. From one day to the next, one week to the next, one month to the next, he is going say one thing and then another. Do one thing and then do another. His supporters are fools. Susan you are so absolutely dead on the money about the main reason why so many of his supporters jumped on his bandwagon was because of that over-hyped Iraq War speech. Now, they’ll claim he has to change things up because he’s gotten new information. Bullshit. Samantha Power told the world months ago that he was lying about his true intentions for that war.

So, to answer the question about suckers…yes.
http://nad Dan

Obama was against the surge and that shows his lack of judgement. This is not about politics, you don’t let kids die so you can win votes,thank god for McCain on this issue. Mabe the fact that McCain unlike Bush or Obama or Obushama has been thru war in the pass does give him better judgement on the reality of war.
jjran

Obama is fip-flopping like a flag in the wind. I bet by Nevember Obama will change his name just to get elected. When he becomes president Obama will sell America to Mexica or Canada… or Iran who knows….
Just look at the list of the fip-floppings:
1) Public financing, now against it
2) FISA, now for it
3) Iraq, now for it
4) Meeting American’s enemies without preconditions, now against it
5) NAFTA, now for it
6) Jerusalem as undivided captial of Israel. for it and then aganist it in the same day….( within minutes)

beebop

Look for a reintroduction to “Barry.”

fred

O Liar continues to confuse himself.

This dude has no stance on anything and all those years of hard core drugs has fried him brains. Shit you have to be drunk or smoked some dope to understand O Liar’s bullshit

cathnealon

Addicts lie.

OBSP

I gave a great speech and did a dance in 8th grade which I want to recreate. Marvin Gaye tune, “What’s Going On” was the backgroud music. Who did he use, I need to know so that I can get in on tape for my campaign as an anti tax candidate in Cook County, IL the highest frecking tax county in the country.
Andrew

I propose that pumas donate some money to Nader. He is a kook but some of the far left are rebelling against Obama and Nader can scoop them up if he gets enough press. Not much money but a few dollars. If enough do it he could run an anti-war ad, scoop up former kool-aid drinkers and either strike fear into the heart of the DNC forcing them to vote for Hillary or swipe votes away from Obama and allow McCain to win.
Andrew

I propose that Nobamas and Pumas donate some money to Nader. He is a kook but some of the far left are rebelling against Obama and Nader can scoop them up if he gets enough press. Not much money but a few dollars. If enough do it he could run an anti-war ad, scoop up former kool-aid drinkers and either strike fear into the heart of the DNC forcing them to vote for Hillary or swipe votes away from Obama and allow McCain to win.
Linda

THE SPEECH WAS GIVEN IN OCTOBER, NOT September. Please fix. It was AFTER Al Gore gave his speech in September.

Obama gave his speech October 2, 2002.
SJ

All these flip flops by Obama is so sad, someone stop the pain please, put this man out of his misery. How long is he going to go on like this?

Everyday its a new spin on what he previously said, MaCain does not have to do a thing, Obama is going to self destruct before November.
kat in your hat

I can barely even keep up on all of Obama’s lies and flip flops and hazy talk.

Now Obama changes his mind in Christian Magazine interview. TOPIC: late term abortion qualifications…”mental health” not legit.
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/obama-mental-distress-cant-justify-late/n20080703185809990012?cid=435

“David N. O’Steen, the executive director of National Right to Life, said Obama’s remarks to the magazine “are either quite disingenuous or they reflect that Obama does not know what he is talking about.”

“You cannot believe that abortion should not be allowed for mental health reasons and support Roe v Wade,” O’Steen said.”

NARAL should be ashamed of themselves.
renegade

I’ll take 16 months over a hundred years ANY DAY.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

I LOVE WC!!! Classic funnyman. The Original Belly LOL.

Everyone knows Fields said “Never give a sucker an even break”

Rarely to you hear the second part of the Fields quote, “But, never cheat a friend”

Obviously O’boy does not have the American people on his list of friends.
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