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Correction: Make That $5 Million

Oh, boy. This doesn’t look good for ACORN, not that much does these days. You may recall that Dale Rathke, one of the two founders of ACORN, had embezzled $1 million dollars, according to this NY Times article. That became the widely accepted amount, not that that embezzlement stopped our government from giving them millions of our dollars.

Well, it turns out that figure of $1 million is just a little low. By $4 million dollars, that is. Holy smokes. In this article, ACORN Embezzlement Was $5 Million, LA Attorney General Says, that figure is revised way up, and not by a reporter, or a politician with an ax to grind, as ACORN would not doubt claim, but the State Attorney General:

Louisiana’s attorney general has broadened the scope of an investigation of ACORN to include a possible embezzlement of $5 million a decade ago within the community organization, five times more than previously reported.

ACORN Chief Executive Officer Bertha Lewis said the new reported amount is “completely false.”

Attorney General Buddy Caldwell has been conducting an investigation of ACORN since June. He issued subpoenas in August seeking documents related to former ACORN International President Wade Rathke and his brother Dale Rathke, who kept the group’s books. Those subpoenas were focused on possible ACORN violations for non-payment of employee withholding taxes, obstructing justice and violating the Employee Retirement Security Act. No charges have been made.

The attorney general had inquired in June into an alleged embezzlement within ACORN that happened 10 years ago. The group last year dealt with an internal dispute and a lawsuit involving accusations that Dale Rathke made nearly $1 million in improper credit card charges in 1999 and 2000. The brother and a donor repaid the money.

Did you catch that? A “donor” helped pay back the money. Dale was not formally charged, nor did he have to spend any time in prison. None. Now we know it was so much more money than previously thought:

Caldwell said last month that the statute of limitations presented obstacles to prosecutors taking action on the embezzlement, and that his investigation was not focused on that issue. The subpoena issued Monday changed the tone of the investigation and put a new emphasis on the embezzlement issue.

“Current high-ranking members of ACORN have publicly acknowledged that embezzlement did in fact occur, but the exact amount of the embezzlement was unknown until it was recently acknowledged in a board of directors meeting on Oct. 17, 2008, by Bertha Lewis and Liz Wolf that an internal review had determined that the amount embezzled was $5 million, ” the new subpoena says.

The subpoena says, “It is still unclear if some of the monies embezzled are from state, federal or private funds.”

The subpoena requests documents from Citizens Consulting Inc., a financial arm of ACORN, and from various accounting and legal consultants in New Orleans. Investigators are trying to verify the issues raised in the subpoena.

“We’re going to follow the evidence where it leads us and try to do the right thing,” said David Caldwell, head of the attorney general’s public corruption and special prosecutions divisions. “We are actively investigating the case, whatever the outcome might be. This is something we are devoting our full attention to.”

Wade Rathke, who was in Bangkok, Thailand, on Monday, referred questions to ACORN officials. Lewis said she would comment further after she and ACORN attorneys had a chance to review the subpoena.

ACORN board member Vanessa Gueringer, chairwoman of the Lower 9th Ward Chapter, said she had not seen the subpoena but that the accusation about the larger embezzlement was untrue.

“I believe it is another lie, another witch hunt, ” Gueringer said.

ACORN, which provides counseling on housing and other assistance to low and moderate income families, has been reeling from national negative publicity in recent weeks. Actions have been taken on the federal level and by many states, including Louisiana, to end public contracts with the group. (Robert Travis Scott can be reached at rscott@timespicayune.com or 225.342.4197.)

Now that’s some Major League Denial going on there, isn’t it?? The Attorney General of the State isn’t just making stuff up. He has actually been INVESTIGATING ACORN, and rightly so.

Let’s just do the math here. ACORN has received $53 Million of our taxpaying dollars. Dale Rathke embezzled $5 million from ACORN. Sure they get donations, but honestly – you don’t think some of that money was OURS???? And why is he NOT IN PRISON?? That’s what I’d like to know. Hopefully, he will be soon, thanks to the LA State Attorney General.

And that begs the question – where has everyone ELSE been on this issue? It’s not like it wasn’t public knowledge, and not like it hasn’t been reported in major newspapers across the country. I’m glad someone is doing his job.

And speaking of the Rathke Brothers, don’t forget that Wade is also the one who co-founded the SEIU, yes, the union that held California hostage. Well, you are not going to believe where their name pops up in connection to the White House. Check out this video, beginning at the 1:45 minute mark:

Holy smokes. The SEIU is working with the Wite House and the NEA to spend YOUR/OUR money on propaganda.

And we thought the Bush Administration was bad about the whole propaganda thing…

  • sybilll

    What’s a few million among thieves?

  • Peggy Sue

    Come on, Amy! What’s a few million between friends? I mean according to Liberal Rapture the trip to Copenhagen cost $10 million. Rathke embezzeled half that much. Give the guy a break! We all make mistakes [I only wish mine were this profitable].

    Btw, I heard the so-called “donor” was none other than George Soros. Ring a bell???

    Oh, what webs we weave!

  • Tammy

    Obama and this corrupt Government are going to destroy this country. It started under George Bush, and now these guys have stepped it up 100 fold.

    I just watched Glenn Beck, and that was the scariest show I’ve seen yet. The Arabs, Russians, Chinese and French are going to dump the dollar? If that happens, we will truly become a banana republic.

    The news is talking about Letterman and Kate makes Eight, or whatever the hell that show is called, while our country is imploding.

    I’m just stunned by this massive corruption and the media that is in bed with it.

  • Ferd Berfle

    We’re going to follow the evidence where it leads us and try to do the right thing,” said David Caldwell, head of the attorney general’s public corruption and special prosecutions divisions. “We are actively investigating the case, whatever the outcome might be. This is something we are devoting our full attention to.”

    I certainly hope his word is good. All too often these high-profile cases get shut down either through meddling by higher-pay-grade muckety-mucks or through bureaucratic recalcitrance. These sort of criminals need to be arrested, tried, and if convicted, sentenced to long stretches making pea gravel sand out of monumental boulders.

    White collar/blue collar crime–I don’t care any more. Just put these bums in prison at hard labor.

  • Ferd Berfle

    A conspiracy.

  • Freedom Fighter

    You guys are citing Fox Noise, home to Glenn Beck, as a legitimate source? If you were a real Democrat, you’d boycott Fox Noise, just like all Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, in campaign 2008.

    Fox Noise is the mouth piece for rightwing extremists, racists, misogynists, fascists, and Republicans.

  • tango

    The Attorney General was on Glenn Beck this afternoon. And guess what, he’s a Democrat! Luckily the Governor is a Republican because AG Caldwell did say it might take dedicated state money to continue on with the investigation if it takes a major turn or two or becomes widely encompassing. Otherwise, if Louisana did have a Democratic governor, I could see the state being under a lot of pressue to cut the investigation short by national Democratic leadership. I hope AG Caldwell is able to do a complete investigation and isn’t forced to shut down the inquiries before we know the extent of fraud. Since AG Caldwlell is a Southern white man, even being a Democrat, I figure it’s just a matter of time before someone on the left starts screaming racism.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    LOL – yeah, I hear ya. Here I am ragging on this guy for only stealing $5 mil – I’m just too damn picky! :-)

    And here’s another fun fact (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hey_big_spender_ekp1paAPaHSUidBrZOKKEO): Apparently, Dale racked up over $157,000 on his American Express card at the same time he was ripping off ACORN (i.e., Us).

    I had heard that abt Soros, too, but it seems like it was Drummond Pike, the founder of the Tides Foundation (they are all connected, you know – ACORN and Tides): http://www.citycaucus.com/2009/03/know-your-donor-drummond-pike

  • felizarte

    Obama had to have some knowledge of Acorn’s operations and that of SEIU. The investigation is certainly going to take the rest of the year and possibly most of next year. Until the situation is resolved, I doubt that ACORN or SEIU will be doing any high profile activism/voter registration or general politicking. Politicians wouldn’t be so eager to be associated with them. No ACORN puts a certain crimping of the OBAMA campaign.

    Axelrod met with Roger Ailes of FoxNews. I wonder. Did Axelrod finally come to the conclusion that FoxNews is hurting them more than they are hurting Foxnews? Do they want Glen Beck shut off?

  • Peggy Sue

    Look you asshole, I “am” a real Democrat. You have the unmitigated gall to trash anyone when you use Joy Behar as a political reference [last thread, remember????].

    And there was no more misogynist organization in the world in 2008 than the Democratic Party.

    Or weren’t you paying attention?

    So, you can point fingers in all directions, but there are actually those of us who remember the primary and general election of last year.

    Go spew your nonsense elsewhere!

  • felizarte

    The charge of racism has been overused–it has lost its sting. It’s hardly a mortal political sin anymore.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Peggy,

    The Clintons have said just recently the vast right wing conspiracy is alive and well. If you are a true Clinton supporter, you’d know Fox Noise is the mouth piece of the conspiracy.

  • tango

    rightwing extremists, racists, misogynists, fascists, and Republicans.

    Oh scary.

    It’s really too bad that you’re not cool enough to belong to the in-crowd. Run back to MSNBC now. Chris Matthews needs the viewers.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I’m sure you’re quite the rage with the evolutionary throw-back Obotulism crowd but here on NQ, you’re just another pesky species of bacteria from the Obot staph (spelling intentional) that needs a good dose of penicillin.

    Buh-bye, loser.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Guess who didn’t get an interview from our President? Fox Noise, cried, and cried.

    OFF TOPIC

  • Freedom Fighter

    Huh? You sound incoherent, just like that illiterate nut, Palin.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Actually, Free-dumb, it was WJC who said that and not “The Clintons”. The least you m o r o n s could do is at least get the name of the person who actually made the statement quoted when spouting your insufferable hogwash..

    And I am a true Clinton supporter–HRC. Bill is now a historical figure. But then, you’re too wrapped up in the idle worship of That One to notice such.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Apparently you missed the links to the NY Times and the New Orleans paper.

    Fox News was one of the very few tv stations that actually treated Hillary Clinton with dignity and respect.

    Many of us no longer buy the meme that Fox News is so horrible especially compared to MSNBO.

    Your blanket demeaning and belittling statements do nothing to enhance your argument. In fact, when you engage in name calling, in those kind of ad hominems, it essentially renders your entire argument moot.

    But thanks for playing.

  • jbjd

    Even though the statutes of limitations have expired on some criminal charges that could otherwise be associated with embezzlement, the statute could still run or, be tolled, that is, stopped, or extended, depending on whether there was an ongoing cover-up, for example.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com

  • Ferd Berfle

    That you can’t read beyond the second-grade level is not my concern, stupid.

  • Freedom Fighter

    RRRA,

    Why did Hillary Clinton boycott Fox Noise, if it was only one of the few to treat her with respect? Are you telling me she is retarded or something?

  • tango

    They didn’t cry. They pointed out that that Obama is a coward! You know, one of those people who talks smack about someone (Fox News) and then when that someone (Fox News) says come over here and say it to my face, they run off all scared all the time saying how they’d whip their ass if they met up with them but wanted to save them from the beat down. Yah, uh huh, sure.

    If Obama had the balls, let alone an intelligent argument to make for his positions, he’d do Fox News occasionally just for the joy of fighting for his opinions.

    Our President is chicken. Bawk, bawk, bawk!

  • Lyn

    I seem to remember One of the VERY BEST Hillary Interviews during the campaign, was with Oreilly ON Fox and I remember quite a few poeple from her staff saying Fox treated her the fairest.
    So once again you are just showing how little you know.
    So what do YOU find a credible source? CNN who wastes a news segment “fact checking” an SNL skit? I was wondering WHO was clueless enough to still watch CNN and MSNBC, makes perfect sense now.

  • tango

    Oh well, I bet you can only hope to be so illiterate to become Governor someday and get paid millions of dollars to tell your opinion after you quit your job.

    Being an Obot is a thankless job, but at least the hours are long and the pay is lousy.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Ferdy,

    Are you telling me HRC disagrees with WJC on that point?

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    That’s just it, tango. The Left Wingers would like everyone to think that only Right Wingers are “out to get ACORN.” Completely unfounded. A number of Democrats care, too, abt our tax paying dollars being used in illegal activities, like voter registration fraud and voter fraud. So, there’s that.

    But you are absolutely right – if this guy is a Southern white man who wants to investigate ACORN, he HAS to be racist. I think we are already seeing those kinds of spurious charges right here in this thread!

  • Ferd Berfle

    I concur with your assessment, RRRA. For many years I never watched Fox but after last year’s continuing haranguing of HRC by the alleged MSM, I tried Fox (in no small part due to recommendations by the staff of NQ). While I disagree with a lot of what they present, they do make an effort to include other opinions and they are interesting, if nothing else. Moreover, I understand that they have a right-of-center agenda and are up front about it. I can live with that and only watch them if I’m not in the mood for sitting here at the computer and reading NQ.

    In all honesty, I do wish the hard left- and hard right-wing trolls would just go away (or be summarily banned) and leave those of us who still don’t consume massive amounts of blue and/or red Kool-Aide to discuss the issues with the adult perspective always in mind.

    A guy can dream, can’t he?

  • Lyn

    How dumb are you really, Hillary was ON Fox

    and like a typical bot you think it is cool to make fun of people with disabilities. How old ARE you?

  • HARP

    It is becoming painfully obvious that you are baiting reponses on this board. I suggest you go back to playing with what little you have between your legs because the little you have between your ears is not working out for you Sparky.

  • Freedom Fighter

    C’mon Lyn, there are plenty of news sources from every medium to choose from. You can get them from:

    Network TV: NBC, ABC, CBS
    Cable TV: CNN, MSNBC, HLN
    Public TV: PBS
    Radio: NPR
    Newspapers: NYT, WaPo, LAT, etc..
    News magazines: Time, Newsweek, New Yorker, etc..
    Internet: HuffPo, DailyKos, DU, Andrew Sullivan, etc..

  • Lyn

    I Seem to remember the first group of people SCREAMING about ACORN and Obama was right here at NQ. and I’m pretty sure it was Dems or XDems who did the initalt work that broughtt attention to ACORN, their Fraud, ect

  • Freedom Fighter

    Yeah, she only went on Fox as a last ditch effort because she was getting her behind handed to her by Obama. You know full well she was boycotting Fox Noise.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Well, Freedumb, give me a quote that says she doesn’t disagree with Bill from after January 2009 and a link thereto–by that I mean one that isn’t from the 90s because, unlike you, I was an adult then and know.

    You trolls are only about a fifth as smart as you think you are–and you’ve finished the bottle off.

  • Lyn

    and which of those do you claim is unbiased? I gave up on them, they should all be ashamed, luckily their numbers are getting worse and worse. I was happy to read that Red Eye that is on in the middle of the night, had better numbers than most shows on MSNBC and CNN,so many people are waking up to the fact they are useless unless you want to hear how great Obama is.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Oh my, a list of sources from botCentral. Now we know which ones to avoid.

    Now, Freedom… er… Maxi-pad-inski, name the ones which are objective. That means that you actually have to understand the meaning of objective, apply it within the framework of your obamabot filter, remove the offending sites, and come up with a list.

    For that, I think you’ll need more re-programming and the bot of the day on call at Central isn’t up to the task.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Ferdy,

    I am simply asking you whether you believe HRC disagrees with WJC on this point? No need to cite sources, your opinion will suffice.

  • Lyn

    SO maybe the can get them for taxes, since chances are he didn’t report the extra 5 million dollars

  • Ferd Berfle

    You made the claim–you back it up, troll. But like all blowhards, you divert attention from the task at hand. How lazy are you? It isn’t my job to do your homework, shiftless.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Lyn, Greta Van Susteren did an excellent interview with Hillary. One of the things I really appreciate abt Greta is that she asks intelligent questions, AND allows the guest to speak without interruption.

    Another good interview, actually on CNBC, was with the Mad Money Guy. Hillary was able to speak abt complex financial issues for almost 18 minutes solid without ONE note or teleprompter. Oh, and not a whole bunch of “uh, um, ugh, well, LOOK” comments in there, either.

    Ferd – it was hard to start watching Fox because I had bought the party line abt how horrible it was. But I found out that it was not the right-wing lovefest it had been portrayed to be, and in fact, they were actually airing information that the other stations wouldn’t cover because it would hurt “The One.”

    Take the Van Jones issue, for instance. You should SEE the backpedaling by the NY Times abt completely missing the boat on that one. And, the NY Times refused to print their interview with Anita Moncrief because of the revelations she exposed on ACORN. Not until after the election when it couldn’t hurt Obama anymore, that is. That is not true journalism, no matter how one might want to spin it.

  • Donna Brazile

    Freedom Ferry:

    Bill “I love me some butt licking suck ups” Maher is callin’, so get to steppin’ critically thinking challenged one.

    Stop the Bill Maher lovefest!

  • Freedom Fighter

    C’mon Lyn, everyone is biased, and it’s not something you can remove, because the fact that you have an opinion means you are biased.

    However, everyone of the news sources I listed are staffed with people who are journalism professionals. They try their best to bring you the real news knowing at the end of the day, there may still be bias simply because they are human.

    Fox Noise on the other hand is just totally dishonest. Their lineup is filled with rightwing political operatives and obnoxious blowhards.

    OFF TOPIC. PLEASE STOP DISRESPECTING THE AUTHOR, AND STAY ON TOPIC.

  • Donna Brazile

    I see you have a fetishes with behinds.

    Stop the lick fest!

  • Freedom Fighter

    Hey I concede it was Bill who said that. But I still would like to know if you think Hillary disagrees with Bill. This isn’t that hard.

    STOP HIJACKING THE THREAD AND TAKING IT OFF TOPIC. PLEASE.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yeah but they do get their bottle of Arkansas Wagon Varnish and a cot on skid row.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Spot on, RRRA.

  • Peggy Sue

    Am I am supporter of the Clintons? Absolutely. But unlike you and those of your ilk, I can actually support a political candidate without agreeing with every utterance out of their mouths.

    Is there a “right-wing conspiracy?” Sure, in the same way there is a Democratic conspiracy to discredit anything and everyone who claims to be a Republican.

    It’s called politics–dirty at best, obscene at worst.

    I watch and read everything–the Democratic take as well as the Republican. And there is one thing that both parties have in common:

    a vein of absolute corruption.

    And until we clean that out? We are all screwed.

    So, please. Don’t lecture me or anyone else on who or what we should be reading or listening to.

    There are a few pure souls in this game.

    And Barack Obama? Take a look at the man’s history. The words do not match the history or the game on the ground. And after 8 miserable years under Bush & Co, I’m beyond pissed!

  • Lyn

    YOU right, I forgot about the Greta interview and Cramer. I was the same way about Fox, I actually used to waste my time watching msnbc and CNN but after a couple debates where they were reporting completely different things thatn I saw and heard I actually had to look up what channel fox was on my cable just to get a little fair news. The Only news I watch now is the BBC.

    ps can’t you do something about this guy saying the same things over and over and calling people names? I’m not reponding anymore, but it is annoying wading thru all of his stupid inane posts

  • Ferd Berfle

    You seem to know so much about HRC, you tell us, Spanky. You duds always lump everything together as though your filter of reality is truly real and also an inspiring thing to behold. It isn’t.

    I say you’re nothing but a naive little chubby cheeked 12-year old who loves wearing a cub-scout-sized cap with attached beanie and yellow propeller, which spins every time That One speaks. And when you go to bed at night, your Mommy takes that little get-up off you, exposing the lines on your cherub face from the plastic strap. She tucks you into bed and tells you that Baracky, being your savior, will ensure that the ever-present bedbugs won’t bite your sorry backside. She’s wrong, you’re wrong, and so is That One.

    Do you actually get my drift, bot? I thought not.

  • Ferd Berfle

    As far as I am aware, the IRS has a lot of leeway in matters of tax evasion.

  • Diana L. C.

    I watched an interview with Caldwell about this. He talks well, is precise with his words, and seems concerned about doing a good thorough, objective investigation.

    However, my immediate thought was this: This guy is very Southern and Caucasion. Obviously he is going to be accused of racism soon. (At least he is a Democrat and so can’t be accused of being a neo-con Republican racist.)

    I am so enjoying all the bad news about ACORN. Yes, I know. Schadenfreude is not a good emotion, but I just can’t help it.

    One of the first arguments I got into with all my erstwhile Democratic friends was over ACORN. I had told them about the primaries, but they had not believed it and so didn’t listen much. So I was surprised when they were then surprised about my great concern over the proposed money to ACORN in the huge bailout last September. They started making fun of me for not supporting community organizing, since it is obviously a noble, pure, and democratic vocation.

    I’m really waiting now for the best moment to do a mass emailing to some of those people and give them a reminder of the recent news articles about ACORN. I’m hoping we get a good, thorough bullet point list here at NQ soon that I can provide. I just think that there is more to come in the way of bad news for ACORN that might be even bigger.

    Vindictive behavior is also not a good behavior, but I am unable to control myself at this point. I do know that the “We Will Not Be Silenced” videos will also be attached to my mass email.

  • Diana L. C.

    Peggy,

    I so feel your pain at this Free Dumb Fighter. I still stand by my belief that we need to find atrained psychiatrist to be our designated responder to him/her. I simply don’t know how to address such insanity.

    But, remember, we’re all feeling your pain, too.

  • Advocationist

    That you can’t read beyond the second-grade level is not my concern, stupid.

    I say you’re nothing but a naive little chubby cheeked 12-year old who loves wearing a cub-scout-sized cap with attached beanie and yellow propeller,

    PC Magazine
    Definition of: trolling

    (1) Surfing, or browsing, the Web.

    (2) Posting derogatory messages about sensitive subjects on newsgroups and chat rooms to bait users into responding.

    You made the claim–you back it up, troll.

    I’m sorry, but which one is supposed to be the troll again?

  • Diana L. C.

    Or for the joy of reaching a much larger audience than the ones he reaches on the Faux News Channels.

  • Diana L. C.

    Sorry, tango, I said some of this above in response to Ferd. I just get too riled up about this subject–should have read the entire string before I jumped in.

  • Ferd Berfle

    However, my immediate thought was this: This guy is very Southern and Caucasion. Obviously he is going to be accused of racism soon. (At least he is a Democrat and so can’t be accused of being a neo-con Republican racist.)

    I’ve lived in most every major political division of the country, e.g., northwest, northeast, southwest, and southeast (twice). In my opinion only, the south has the best race relations. If this weren’t so, then I would have expected a mass-exodus from the south to “better” relations in other regions. It doesn’t happen because it is an utter fabrication. Yes, there are pockets of extremism in the south but there’s not the sort of segregation as in Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York here in East Tennessee where I live. The only thing I expect from my neighbor is to keep the property in reasonable condition and be a real neighbor. I haven’t been disappointed, yet.

    Too many people make far too many suppositions about the south without actually having lived here. Urban legend and truth aren’t exactly acquainted.

  • Donna “slapocationist” Brazile

    Look advocduffus:

    Stop the advocatefest!

  • Lyn

    Speaking of ACORN and fraud and Barky…http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/atlas-exclusive-acorn-threw-out-republican-voter-registrations.html
    An Atlas exclusive with a former ACORN employee.

    In February of 2008, Fathiyyah Muhammad of Jacksonville, Florida, heard that ACORN was paying three dollars for each vote you could register. Fatiyyah claims she registered voters for Acorn there (at three dollars each), but that the group threw out her votes and fired her when she brought them GOP registrations. …

  • catherine

    UBM, is that you? It must be. I recognize your provocateur style and asinine comments. I guess you don’t have a girlfriend …or boyfriend these days what with all the free time you have to come visit NQ and beg for attention. You are terribly needy.

    Buy yourself an inflatable doll, dress it in a suit and tie and call it Barrack. Now go play with your toy and leave conversations that require critical thinking to the adults. Mmkay, now that’s a good little 0bot.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You’re the one surfing the web, dink–not me.

    I’m a regular here who doesn’t troll but does take on the occasional obamabot like you.

    I’m sorry, but why do you quote PC magazine when you could actually do your own research and understand that the commenter to which I responded is the troll?

    Oh–that’s too much work for a slack-jawed, mouth-breather like you who like to shed more heat than light.

    My mistake for even responding to someone of your obvious sub-standard IQ.

    Perch and rotate, spinner.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Let me break this down into bite-size chunks for you, Advocationist, a moniker, which by the way, means you speak for others because you have no voice of your own. You hide behind others because you’re a coward. How does that suit you.

    1. Your definition of trolling does not apply to me as I am a regular here. That you didn’t know that means that, indeed, you’re the one that is trolling. Strike One

    2. Posting derogatory messages–You lost this one, too, troll because you didn’t actually include the entire thread, which has everything to do with my final statement. The commenter, Free-Dumb, to which I replied has been around for months, off and on, a peskyt little fact to which you were either unaware or just plain failed to acknowledge. Either way, you lie by omission. Strike two.

    3. You asked a leading question of someone with whom you don’t have ever passing familiarity, which makes you another in a long line of outstanding illogicians–Strike Three.

    You’re out, troll, obamabot, mental midget, or whatever you go by.

  • Peggy Sue

    Love your responses, Donna B. Short, sweet, goes right to the gut of things.

    Always makes me laugh, too! A double whammy.

    “Stop the advocatefest.”

    Perfecto!

  • Advocationist

    Ouch,

    Hold on. I’ve got to call my therapist.

  • Peggy Sue

    Thanks, Diana! It’s hard being a Dem these days, even though I often refer to myself as an Independent by default or a “recovering Dem” :0).

    I want my damn party back!!

  • Donna “slapocationist” Brazile

    Advo:

    Just in case you forgot the number, it’s 1-800-mmm…mmmm…mmm

    Stop the hello my name is advocatefest!

  • Peggy Sue

    Get a straight jacket while you’re at it!

  • Advocationist

    You guys have me all wrong.

    I don’t think anyone objective could say I’ve come down on either side of the issue yet. In fact I come here just FOR another perspective.

    You might notice I don’t comment often.

    But this is exactly what I’m talking about, you jumped all over me and called me a bot.

    Pop quiz, did I vote for Obama? Did I?

    I don’t like jumping up and down in glee when america suffers, no matter who’s president, and I don’t like someone who can’t debate rather than to sling vitrol when clearly their grasp of the english language means they could actually make a *point* instead.

    That’s all.

  • Peggy Sue

    Harp, that’s exactly what they’re doing. You’ll notice as soon as the Obama love-fest begins to dim, the Obamatrons come out like annoying gnats.

    First hard frost [and you know it's coming]? They’ll be gone!

  • Katmoon

    I know, ubm ff, advocate whatever, it all reads the same, done to disturb, disrupt and of course never contributing to a conversation. The shock, the zing the in your face rudeness. Why? Bored, likes to get a rise out of everyone, or just has got to be the center of attention. Pathetic, childish and not quite right. Enough.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    That guy upthread is a loose cannon. No idea what he may shoot out with next!

    Please keep him on a short reign with a heavy ball and chain Rev Amy !

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    We’re trying, ~~JustMe~~. As you know, it’s not fair to anyone when one person so dominates a thread in an attempt to redirect or thwart the discussion of that particular post.

    We’re on alert, so hopefully people will be able to focus on the issue at hand now.

  • steel magnolia

    I don’t think Hillary hates Fox News – didn’t she go on O’Reilly during the primary and seemed to really enjoy herself. Fox was the only cable channel that treated her with any semblance of respect in my opinion!

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    And Greta’s show. She definitely seemed to enjoy Greta’s show. And probably not just because Greta’s husband was a big Hillary supporter! :-)

  • steel magnolia

    Of course, Hillary likes to spar with them all – no coward is she! Why??? She knows her stuff – she’s been sparing with the Big Dog for many years! Can’t have anyone better than that to debate with – no wonder she’s so good at it. Don’t think for one minute she would have boycotted Fox. She’s not that petty and silly and immature!!! I’d love to be a fly on the wall and hear the Clinton’s conversations about Oblahblah’s behavior.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    OMG, it just gets more interesting…and more transparent (sorry obama and dem’s, we know how you hate that)

    this is seg 5, the balance of the above clip
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKutNh7vHaU&feature=player_embedded#

  • arky

    I worked for them back in 2005 and people talked about the embezzlement back then.
    As far as their records being destroyed by Katrina, their office was flooded and they moved to Baton Rouge. It made our paychecks 2 or 3 days late. Bummer.

  • ImaLlindatoo

    I just realized, this little effort with SEIU, WH and NEA probably produced that Will Ferrel video with MoveOn too.

  • jwrjr

    Obama was supposed to correct the many things that Bush did badly. Yeah, right.

  • arky

    Sorry, it started under Reagan…it just got worse under the Bushes.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Got it Amy!

  • Joanie in Brooklyn

    Over the weekend I saw The Informant. Matt Damon is superb. Without giving away the plot, suffice it to say, by the time the investigaton’s over the embezzled amount will be up to 11 million.

  • beebop

    hahahhahahaha

    Oh. Thanks for popping your silly little head up, wabbit. Haven’t laughed heartily in days.

    You shouldn’t EVER EVER EVER try to tell Americans where or how to get their news.

    Thanks for playing.

  • beebop

    Sweetie … check out the ratings. Fox is king.

  • beebop

    First you say you will
    and then you won’t
    Then you say you do
    and then you don’t

    Before you start up with phrases like:

    Why did Hillary Clinton boycott Fox Noise, if it was only one of the few to treat her with respect? Are you telling me she is retarded or something?

    And then have to fall back with:

    Yeah, she only went on Fox as a last ditch effort because she was getting her behind handed to her by Obama. You know full well she was boycotting Fox Noise

    when confronted by reality, why don’t you do yourself a favor and try these words on Google “Hillary Clinton Appears Fox News.” More than 300,000 entries come back.

    Oh.

    Right.

    Your a bot.

  • beebop

    I read a thread somewhere — RealClear Politics maybe — that by time is is over, ACORN will be an organization in the neighborhood that MEchelle just walked by on her way to charm classes ….

  • Onofre’s arm

    I always considered Hillary’s right wing conspiracy claims –And now Bill’s– to be self evident. Of COURSE Republicans conspire (breath together) to thwart and defeat Democrats, isn’t that the purpose of having two opposing parties? Claiming that a “vast right wing conspiracy” exists to take down Democrats and liberals, is about like saying that the New York Yankees conspire to win baseball games.

  • Onofre’s arm

    The last time I made the mistake of watching one of YOUR referenced news sources, the “journalism proffesionals” as you call them, had apparently ditched any attempts at informative reporting in favor of a litany of disparaging puns aimed at the deeply concerned Americans attending Tea Parties. What you call “journalism proffesionals”, I would call sophomoric, thumb-sucking, bed-wetters.

  • b mathews

    hillary also appeared on greta van sustren on fox.
    of all the fox shows, greta seems the fairest.

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