The Denver Group: Keeping the Democratic Party democratic

Keep up the pressure!

I wish them luck in their endeavor, epsecially the roll call vote. This is an imperative.

i hope it all goes as planned..

Lets just be clear..
If the Denver group doesn’t get it’s way then that is the last straw for the Democrat party.
Watch as the Clinton wing defects to McCain

This is about much more than Hillary now.
The Democrat party has been exposed as being undemocratic in the same tradition as any third world dictatorship.

Paid Pundits Pervert Puma Polls

I want to focus on something Cannonfire said today – and I agree with – and stated a while ago. The Puma movement is growing, not shrinking, according to the latest CNN poll. This has little to do with Clinton and everything to do with Obama. The Obama apologist pundits still don’t get that basic fact.

More Clinton voters are refusing to vote for Obama now than a month ago. The opposite should be true. A weird allusion to Elisabeth Kubler-Ross’s 5 stages of dying was made on CNN – as if ex-Democratic Obama Refuseniks are grappling with a “death.”

We are not.

The ongoing dip in Obama’s PUMA numbers is not about Hillary. It’s about Obama, stupid.

Geeklove,

Great job! Keep up the pressure is right.

If Hillary’s name is not on the first ballot, if they deny her the right to have her name put into nomination, then Democratic party will be officially dead – and democracy with it.

PUMAs need to kick ass to save our country!

are you concerned about how the convention will turn out?

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/conventioneer-1.html

Does the DNC understand that not having Clinton as a nominee and, more importantly, a rollcall vote guarantees a McCain presidency and quite possibly the destruction on the “Democratic” party?

The DNC is clearly out of its mind. I will be happy as long as Obama is not our president. I will be much happier if Hillary is our next president along with most PUMAs I bet.

great video! The Denver Group is remarkable.

Sen. Hillary Clinton must be on the first ballot or Democracy can be declared expired.

the majority of super delegates and the DNC may still be in the can for obamacanism, but the very least they owe the American people is to show them some respect and have Hillary on the first ballot in an open convention with a roll call vote.

nothing less is acceptable in this deeply thratened Democracy.

the world is watching…

its hillary or mccain 08
for all our sakes
puma

Thanks for watching my video and please support the Denver Group. If Hillary’s name is not on the ballot in Denver, there’s no hope.

Requesting that Hillary be treated as an equal at the convention through the roll call votes, is a proposition that all Democrats can and should embrace. To deny the roll call votes would be a disgrace to the Democratic party.

I think they understand that. I think what is going on is a save face. They are nominating obama so they don’t loose any black voters and young voters so that they won’t become the “racist” party. All this crap is going to back fire on them I think in the end. I wouldn’t be suprised if there is a split in the party in the next four years.

May as well get this over with:

Troll: “where’s the whitey tape?”

Us: “where’s the real birth certificate?”

And why is Obama afraid of a roll call vote? PUMAs!

5 states broke the rules of Howard Dean and Donna Brazile but only 2 were punished, and then their punishment Broke the rules too. Dean and Brazile knew Hillary would win BIG in Florida and Michigan, she did but the votes weren’t counted. In Michigan they CHANGED MY VOTE, Obama choose to remove himself from the ballot but still got half the votes. This is what happens in BANANA REPUBLICS, the DEMS have lost me. Obama was the pick of BRAZILE and DEAN from the start and they did EVERYTHING in their power to make Obama the winner. They just knew he could get the religious voters, too bad they didn’t check Rev Wright and Father Mike first. This is written by DONNA BRAZILE NOV. 5 2004, a couple days after BUSH was Re-Elected, it’s called “WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS” How To Tap Into The Obama Factor http://www.slate.com/id/2109328

Please don’t disrupt the convention with unnecessary demands now that Obama and his party are on the way to victory. Axelrod, Dean and Pelosi are doing a great job.

Great video here take a look, I just love it !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ&eurl

Please don’t disrupt the convention with unnecessary demands now that Obama and his party are on the way to victory. Axelrod, Dean and Pelosi are doing a great job.

Life is just a fantasy for you, hmmm.

Axelrod and Pelosi are two of the four horsemen…… If you love “party leaders” staging a political coup- go back to Russia!

a bit o/t – does anyone know if Marc Rubin taught “communications” at the Brown/Tulley Institute? Goes by Rabbi?

couldn’t find any bio info and am curious? if he is who i think he is, well we’re all in for a fabulous treat.

can anybody help?

thanks

Gorgeous video, GeekLove!

I’ve just talked to some voters who didn’t know about PUMA — and now PUMA has a whole lot more members!

Word of mouth — this message is spreading.

One of the women put up her fist and yelled “I am PUMA!”

There is so much anger at what the Democrat “leadership” has done — and people are NOT getting over it.

There is a lot of anger in WA state because of the way they shoved the Obama Caucus on us — and ignored our Primary vote.

DAMN — people ARE really pissed!!!

It is 4th of July weekend — and summer in the Pacific Northwest has begun — and we are pissed in WA state!

Hear us roar!!

PUMA! Spread the word!

If the first black with a serious chance at winning a major party nomination had come up just short, does anyone think that the Democratic leadership would have dared to deny the candidate, and his supporters, the right to place the candidate’s name in nomination??

So why are we having to fight for this right with the first woman who had a serious chance at the nomination.

Women are being pushed aside. Period!!!

She won’t be on the ballot Dean took her off and is playing us again saying she will be on the ballot.
It’s his call. Don’t trust him.

I agree Darryl, its the black and young votes they needed to pander to, to GROW the dem party, but disenfranchising their base makes no sense. I think they under estimated the power of Hillary, thinking that another Clinton would be a problem..Yeah, the repugs are afraid of them because they truly are popular INSPITE of the right wing anti-Clinton talking points.

Plea to Pres. Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQgrI9QsRo

AA’s are making a bad decision voting for Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRN7iQWeFOg

the split has already happened.

In your world;

General Bethlehem: Law one. You will obey orders without question. Law two: Punishment shall be swift. Law three: Mercy is for the weak. Four: Terror will defeat reason. Five: Your allegiance is to the clan. Six: Justice can be dictated. Seven: Any clansman may challenge for leadership of the clan. Law eight: There is only one penalty. Death.

The Postman 1997.

the scenario is “Step aside sweetie, the menfolk will handle it from here”

IMHO women should be indignant, pissed off and raising hell in denver.

Well done GeekLove!

Pelosi can’t stomach not being the top female in the government. After all if the President and VP die she gets the job. God, I hope she is defeated.

Are you NUTS?

You Obamabutts are not living in the real world.

PEOPLE — real people are pissed! People who are not on the Internet, People who are not political junkies — KNOW that the election was stolen from Clinton!

Real Americans are angry — they know that the Florida voters were disrespected by DNC — and they know that Obama was given votes that he did not win.

The DNC is living in a fantasy world — NOT the core democrats now PUMA members.

Go out and ask people what they know about Florida and Michigan and what they think of Obama — a whole heck of a lot of people– the majority of voters – DO NOT LIKE OBAMA — They will NOT vote for Obama.

If Hillary isn’t the Dem nominee then I am going to convince a whole lot of people to vote McCain — and other PUMA members will be doing the same thing.

Word of mouth is powerful — to keep Obama OUT of the white house it is either Clinton or McCain.

We do not trust or even like Obama — he flip flops — he has no core values. He is a cult leader!

NoBAMA — ever!!

“unnecessary demands”

Exactly WHO THE FRACK are YOU to tell the 18 million people who voted for her, donated money to her campaign and worked their asses off for her what is unnecessary?

YOU’RE UNNECESSARY! YOU’RE A BOIL ON A PIMPLE ON THE ASS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Now go and lance yourself and don’t come the hell back!

Obama’s Communist America

They tried to do the same in Florida. The DNC/Obama campaign tried to change the Florida primary to a caucus. They were informed, by the Democratic Party leadership there, that it was illegal under Florida state law. If you have the votes why do you care if it’s a primary or a caucus?

Makes you wonder.

What does “No coronation” mean, specifically? Anybody know?

Fireworks seem to have made the McCain lawn signs multiple here in Akron, OH. I guess that is patriotism does.

You’re clearly a republican troll.

For republican troll trying to foment, I’m referring to USSR

Ted; You have to ask? And you vote?
YIKES!

any thoughts about the convention:

http://thevote.abc13.com/barack_obama/index.html

LPAC takes on the DNC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgsZOxOwlo&NR=1

This is worth repeating:

Comment by Bigtime | 2008-07-06 08:28:56

This is getting good, “Gov. Blagojevich angrily denied being a target of a federal corruption investigation..”, “The heated exchange between the governor and reporters overshadowed what was supposed to be a feel-good news conference..” ha ha.
Now for the best quote,”Tony Rezko is a friend who helped me. He helped Sen. [Barack] Obama. But when told by a reporter that — unlike the governor — neither Madigan nor Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, has been questioned by federal authorities about Rezko, Blagojevich seemed to suggest the reporter might be wrong.

Great source, local hometown Obama paper.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/index.html

“We don’t know that about the other people,” he said. “. He will be the one to throw Hussein Obama under the short bus because I do not think he will go down alone.

Comment by Diana | 2008-07-06 10:06:36

Thank you for the link. That governor and Obama are in this thing up to their eyes. I think you right he’ll be the one to turn on Obama if he thinks for one second he’s going down.

I should say the defunct DNC “Brown-Tully Institute”

still curious

Not so. I am a party loyalist and I go with the winners.

i think ussr is making an attempt to be “snarky”, aren’t you?

It’s also not necessary to vote for Obama in November. It’s a little thing called Democracy.

There’s just enough of us and just enough pretty decent third party candidates to make a difference.

Scary, isn’t it?

The ongoing dip in Obama’s PUMA numbers is not about Hillary. It’s about Obama, stupid.

well said …..spread the word

yep, and it looks like they’re going to have BushCo-style “free speech zones” at the convention, to make sure the ruling oligarchy is disturbed by any impolite protesters. weren’t dems livid about this all the times bush has done it, starting with his “inauguration” in 2001?

I take that to mean you do not know the answer. Anyone else?

Just like Obama I am a community organizer. So I am probably as close to understanding him as anybody can.
He is too complex to be able to explain to ordinary people. Trust us.

Yes, let us not disturb the leaders. That would be bad. Conform. Obey.

Obama and his party? That’s a very authoritarian attitude. I thought the party was the people. I guess not anymore.

I’m reading a comment straight out of the old Soviet Union or the current Chinese government.

By the way, it was the Obama supporters that threatened to ‘Recreate ’68′. That consisted of violence and rioting.

We’re asking for a roll call vote as allowed under the “rulz’ that Brazile and Dean couldn’t get enough of when it came to Obama.

Now following the ‘rulz’ is disruptive.

Oy.

Ted- exactly what it sounds like. Nobama is not the king, the convention is not about crowning him in pomp and glory while television cameras are rolling. We threw out a king exactly 232 years ago last Friday, the Nation’s Independence Day. The convention is suppose to model the BEST of this country, where we put forth our canidate who garners the most votes of the delegates and honor all those who also stepped forward to serve. The convention is our form of goverment in action, not the damn final episode of American Idol. Obama’s camp want to turn the convention into a 4 day hollywood infomerical. PUMAs say “No DEAL” !

Nancy Pelosi and San Francisco Values:

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=23828439

oh, and yes you can!!! smiles

What a nice video. But it leaves out some key points about some of the presidents it describes.

Truman was about as popular as Bush, because of his commitment to the Korean war. 40,000 american lives lost, all that resulted was South Korea, a jewell of the Pacific rim.

JFK was a hawk, but chickened out on giving overt air support to the exiles during the Bay of Pigs, causing the operation to tank. So the Cubans invited the Soviets in to protect them, and they brought missiles. JFK nearly got us all smoked, but he stared down the bear. He was a war hero and really a great president. He was the last democratic president to be worth a shit.

LBJ got us embroiled in Vietnam, aka the Iraq of the 60′s, except that 58,000 lives were lost, instead of 4,000, and there is no oil in Vietnam. He also opened up the federal cookie jar to deadbeats everywhere.

Jimmy Carter is mostly known for taking it in the rear from the ayatollah. He is also known as the Mastermind of the Malaise, when unemployment hit 10%, inflation was about 10%, and mortgage rates about 18%. He invented stagflation. The Peanut Farmer supports BO because he wants BO to take over as “Worst President in US History”.

Bill Clinton is famous for dropping his pants and the guard of the US. He is also famous for being married to his wife, who could actually be a great president, if elected. Unlike most democratic party men, who are pussies, she is mean and tough. If 9-11 had happened on her watch, Mecca would be a 3 mile wide glassy spot in the desert. Unfortunately, she got reamed by the mainstream media, sideways, in all orifices.

That is very generic. I am trying to determine specifically what is objectionable and what is acceptable. I understand the other requirements of:

* An open convention.
* Senator Clinton’s name on the ballot
* Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on behalf of her candidacy.
* A roll call vote.

So if those criteria are met, could the convention still be “a coronation”? And if so, how? Once the party’s candidate is determined, is it acceptable for the convention to attempt to boost that candidate, or, out of respect for the loser, should there be no focus on the candidate once the determination is made?

Seems to me that right approach is start neutral, determine who the candidate is, then attempt to boost that candidate so they can win the election.

I understand there are those who will only support the candidate if the candidate is Hillary, but those folks are, by definition, not supporting the democratic party (the democratic party being the focus of this event) but rather supporting a specific person. Which is fine, but it is unrealistic to expect an entire political party to sacrifice its candidate to appease a group that has explicitly stated they do not support the party.

So sure, stay home, or vote for McCain, or write in HRC, or whatever you feel is appropriate. That is how our democracy works, and you should do what you feel is best. But don’t expect the winners to reduce their victory celebration because your person didn’t win. That’s an unrealistic demand.

Now, assuming “a coronation” means something different from a victory celebration, then we probably don’t even have a disagreement here. I’m still trying to understand what the request means.

If 9-11 had happened on her watch, Mecca would be a 3 mile wide glassy spot in the desert. Unfortunately, she got reamed by the mainstream media, sideways, in all orifices.

thank you thank you thank you!!!

that made my day

USSR – a few questions.
1. As a community organizer, have you been organizing the folk into Tony Rezko style slum housing?
2. Why does being an organizer make you any closer to understanding him than anyone else?
3. Your third sentence is sadly flawed. What are you saying? That he is so complex that he cannot explain anything to’ordinary people’? Or that hoi polloi cannot fathom his complexity?
By the way, please define ‘ordinary people’. Who for instance, would you call more ‘ordinary’? Someone like Tom Delay, ex bug exterminator whose name is known throughout the land, or someone like my husband’s uncle, who spent nine years in Siberia, learned to do small operations when the camp doctor died and was not replaced, and was one of two who returned out of a group of 42 taken away at the end of WWII?
Finally – Trust us! The kiss of death for those not brain dead. Trust whom? And why ever should anyone? Where I live, the motto is SHOW ME. And what Obama has shown me is that I will trust him no more than any politician and far less than some. As far as I am concerned he has failed the Nixon doctrine – he can keep all the used cars on his lot.

EXCELLENT VIDEO FROM DENVER GROUP!!

Wow, great video. I got goosebumps.

That would be roughly equivalent to Great Britain nuking the Vatican if the IRA had launched a 9/11 scale attack instead of a bunch of smaller ones, but heck, no need to be rational when killing a million people, right? It’s fun to be an intenet tough guy.

Pussy.

Why? We all know how it will turn out. Why do you think it’s imperative?

Obama won two-thirds of all nomination contests, many with huge margins. He won more pledged delegates and the superdelegates endorsed the pledged delegate outcome — and FL and MI made ZERO difference to that.

AA are the most loyal demographic for the Democrats. On what planet are they not a part of the base? Besides which, a majority of women are currently supporting Obama, as are a majority of working class voters and Hispanics.

There probably will be a roll call, but it certainly won’t be in prime time. Instead, like the last two conventions, it will be spread out over several days during the day, where you can watch a few states at a time on C-SPAN.

You mean Hillary? Whith her clear victory in popular vote, meaning the ‘people’?

Those states didn’t break the rules because they received waivers which were intended to keep them early states.

Comment by hank48188 | 2008-07-06 15:14:22

5 states broke the rules of Howard Dean and Donna Brazile but only 2 were punished, and then their punishment Broke the rules too.

The punishment broke the rules because they were given half delegates not zero.

You do know that that video is a JOKE, right? It’s Saturday Night Live.

I’m sure they can afford signs. But signs don’t vote.

I learned that when there were far more Clinton than Obama signs near my polling place and then Obama got 62% of the vote out of my precinct.

I’m one of those “old cows” who isn’t getting over it.

And I vote.

I’ve been a Democrat all my life. My long life…

Never missed an election–not even a stupid little local one. Rain, sleet, snow, gloom of night…I’m there. I’ve stood in line, I’ve waited through snafus, I’ve endured inconvenience in order to exercise the franchise.

This time, though, I’m not voting …. for Obama. I will vote this fall, but if it’s not Clinton in the D column after the convention, I’ll vote for PRESENT or McCain.

I’m not alone, either. All of my friends and family feel the same way. I don’t think we’re unique at all.

Howard Dean, the DNC and the Pushy Party Pooh-Bahs can’t jam us on this one. We’re not eating that crap anymore.

Clear victory in the “popular vote”

Obama 17,535,458 48.1%
Clinton 17,493,836 48.0%

LOL you’re drunk again

The majority of women under 50 voted for Obama and the majority of the nation’s voting women now support him.

BOBO had to bus the BOBOweenies in to vote.

Obama’s camp want to turn the convention into a 4 day hollywood infomerical.

Have you ever watched a national convention? They are always infomercials!!!

ah, the latest number the BOBOweenie is clinging to. Like BOBO, it’ll change LOL

Not only are you supporting a war crime, but you sure don’t sound like a Democrat. I bet you never supported Clinton at all, just the others at this site who complain about “socialized medicine.”

I am going to go – you are cordially invited too. Go to PUMA site, you will find the info there. http://blog.pumapac.org/

Did that come message come in a byte sized portion of spinach salad or did you make it up?

Comment by Mr. K | 2008-07-06 17:01:40

Bill Clinton is famous for dropping his pants and the guard of the US. He is also famous for being married to his wife, who could actually be a great president, if elected. Unlike most democratic party men, who are pussies, she is mean and tough. If 9-11 had happened on her watch, Mecca would be a 3 mile wide glassy spot in the desert. Unfortunately, she got reamed by the mainstream media, sideways, in all orifices.

You have provided one of the best reasons to describe why she lost.

why is it a war crime?

By the way, the Obama birth certificate stories are so absurd that Little Green Football is telling their readers not to promote it because it makes them look daft. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30562_Obama_Birth_Certificate_Forgery_Myth_Destroyed

LGF relies on this extensive debunking: http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626

Once you’ve lost the far right blogosphere on this absurdity, it’s time to let it go.

as expected .. no change from the BOBOcamp.

Killing massive numbers of civilians when attacking a target of no military value.

Oh, and destroying Mecca would lead to a massive uprising over the entire globe and a huge upswing in terrorism.

Spineless Limey Pussy. Prince Charles hs nothing on you.

it’s informative that you hand with the far right blogisphere

Fat old pussy on HRT.

The nomination fight wasn’t based on popular vote in any case. Those are rules that Clinton not only agreed to in advance and knew quite well because of her husband’s experience, but her folks, like Ickes, helped set the rules.

Blah, blah, blah.

Time for your meds, dear.

Where? And where’s your evidence on that? Somehow the Clinton campaign never held a press conference about it and commented about it, which they would have if there was any validity to the claim.

Where do you think they got all their anti Hillary talking points they used at our caucuses, WC?

I followed the exit polls closely and the current polls now. I don’t make things up; I report facts.

why does Meca have no military value and how “huge’ would the upswing in terrorism be?

“Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists.”

“When I am president, we will wage the war that has to be won,” he told an audience at the Woodrow Wilson Center in the District. He added, “The first step must be to get off the wrong battlefield in Iraq and take the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080101233.html

Do you specialize in personal insults? I’m sure that’s more satisfying for you than engaging in an actual discussion.

Sycophant

But attacking a sovereign state without a declaration from congress would be a war crime.

What military value does it have as defined under international law? NONE.

Barky=stupid brain dead coked out pussy whipped pussy.

The national review online is making the following statement:

I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama’s eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign’s response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDc5ZDkwMjhmZDFkMGE0ODVmNmQ4NzE0M2NjMDNjNzU=

Right, exit polls were used to justify stealing four of Hillary’s MI delegates and giving BOBO MI delegates he never earned

Discussing anything with you would be like talking to a turnip, except the turnip is smarter.

You’re not worth a real discussion.

I don’t talking points from anywhere.

And my point is that EVEN THESE FOLKS ARE CONVINCED THIS IS A NON-ISSUE. No one takes your claims seriously and if you’d follow the debunking link, you’d see why.

Absolutely. This statement is for all those Obama apologist.

No, this one should be like modern preschool. We treat everyone as winners. Medals for all. No singling out a winner. That might hurt the self-esteem of those that did not win.

little green footballs is made up of the right wing version of the BOBOweenie. Why would it shock me that they and you might find common ground?

God, could it really be that simple? Maybe that’s why both McCain’s and Barky’s passport files were hacked.

They’re so pissed that Obama is ahead of McCain right now 53-38.
http://www.pollster.com/08-WA-Pres-GE-MvO.php

And he’s been opening up the gap!

Your Obama talking points are egregious and supercilious. The talking points are without merit.

They’re so pissed in Washington state right now that Obama is ahead 53-38 and widening the gap.
http://www.pollster.com/08-WA-Pres-GE-MvO.php

Define value in the context of International Law, samrty pants and then shut up.

BOBO is going to win WA. LOL everybody knows that.

And far more attractive.

Yeah – That was a concession to FL and MI so they wouldn’t be shut out altogether.

What evidence do you have for this claim?

Hillary had NO delegates from MI because the state broke the rules. NONE – until the DNC put together a compromise.

MI knew the stakes, just as my state did. My state party wanted to move up their primary but didn’t because it would lose delegates. Why should MI get a free pass when other states decided that they would follow the rules?

Yes, you do specialize in personal insults.

so you’re agreeing with the drunk boy that the DNC broke the rules?

he watches exit polls

Can you even write without recourse to personal insults? Just wondering.

Uh-huh.

How many times did you get to vote for Obama?

We were there you moron. We’re delegates.

supercilious

You’ve misused this word. I say that because it makes no sense in your sentence.

The DNC is required to have a roll call vote. It’s in the ROOLZ! Specifically:

CALL FOR THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
Issued by the Democratic Party of the United States
Governor Howard Dean, Chairman
As Adopted by the Democratic National Committee, February 2, 2007.

VIII. PROCEDURAL RULES OF THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION

C. Order of Business: The order of business for the Democratic National Convention shall be as provided in these rules and in any special order of business adopted under Section D. of these rules. The Chair of the Convention may, at appropriate times, interrupt the order of business
provided for in these rules for introductions, announcements, addresses, presentations, resolutions of tribute and appreciation, or remarks appropriate to the business of the Convention.
6. Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall
receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of
President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the
proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more
than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
c. The order for nominating presidential candidates shall be determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, the Permanent Chair of the Convention and each presidential candidate, or his or her authorized representative, who qualifies to be nominated pursuant to this section.
d. Each presidential candidate shall be allowed a total of twenty (20) minutes for the presentation of his or her name in nomination by nominating and seconding speeches, the time to run without interruption from the recognition of the
nominator.

I downloaded it from the DNC website.

Why did S. Carolina get a free pass???

the rules say you have to be on the ballot to get the votes to get delegates… LOL only for BOBO was there another way.

The way you jumped on her? Give me a break. She needed to handle this quietly or cows like you would be screaming “Sore Loser!”

* Senator Clinton’s name on the ballot

Do you mean like a ballot in a normal election where people check off their choice and then they’re counted? Those don’t occur in conventions.

And if you don’t mean that, what do you mean that’s different from the roll call vote — which will probably happen over several days in the middle of the day.

The American people saw what Barky did to Hillary, no amount of spin will convince them otherwise. You raped her.

but unlike you BOBOweenies he doesn’t talk to himself on public blogs

Hint: No one wants to listen to your pre-packaged pablum.

you mean that the MSM reamed her sideways, in all orifices? Or that Bill dropped his pants and the guard?

tragic, (sniff) A BOBOweenie so full of itself that it can’t see it.

Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee

Are you certain that Senator Clinton would give her written approval? I mean, she’s also endorsed Obama and has been raising money for him.

If she doesn’t give her written approval, she won’t have her name placed in nomination.

Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more
than 600 delegate votes,

Are there at least 300 delegates who would sign this? Do you know for certain?

They’re having trouble raising the funds???

Gee. Can’t imagine why.

Do you mean like a ballot in a normal election where people check off their choice and then they’re counted? Those don’t occur in conventions.

That’s exactly what happened in each caucus that our WA elected delegates went through. We checked off our choice and then they were counted.

So what evidence do you have that there are 300 delegates that would petition to have Clinton’s name placed in nomination AND that Hillary Clinton will give her written approval to do so?

Because under the rules, posted above, that’s what’s needed to have a nomination for a candidate at the convention.

yes we are sure. No one is the nominee until the votes are counted at the convention and a winner determined.

Love him or hate him Mr. K, the guys who bombed the World Trade Center the first time were caught and put on trial and are in jail. Hillary would have gotten Bin Laden at Tora Bora and put his ass on triail and thrown him in jail. Barky would have sat down and had tea with him.

But that doesn’t happen at national party conventions. Is that what PUMA is asking for? If so, why would they? It’s not done.

uh, not quite. The IRA just wanted the Brits out of Ireland. Al Qaeda wants us all dead, or enslaved, or converted…and they reference the quran, where they can cite direct passages from the immutable word of allah…though I was actually just using a bit of hyperbole to describe HRC as a hardass, which she is…but really, I am just an internet tough guy, and you are a sensitive interet sophisticate…aka, a pussy.

we’re Clinton delegates. This fight doesn’t end until the convention.

Why are you sure? She’s endorsed Obama. So why would she give her written approval to have her name placed in nomination?

Are you a delegate to the national convention? Do you have delegate credentials?

I’ve read the rules too, and I need to because I’m a Hillary delegate. The rules call for a roll call vote, unless the rules are suspended which takes a 2/3 vote of the convention. Also, if Hillary’s name is not placed in nomination at the convention, (she would have to sign the nomination paper), then there could be a motion to suspend the rules and vote by acclamation since there is only one name placed in nomination. However, the rules say that delegates can vote for a candidate even if their name is not placed in nomination.

Barky would also have got on his knees, bowed to the east, and said a few allah u ahkbars.

The election was duly run, the votes made in accordance with state law, counted and certified. She did win the delegates according to Michigan law, which is not supeseded by political party. You are a nattering neophyte nincompoop and simpering troll.

We are not sure. Efforts are being made now to contact the campaign to find out if she will sign the nomination paper.

so you’re saying this primary was a sham, (lol a sham that picked a flim flam man) That all the caucuses were meaningless because the votes of the delegate we sent to Denver won’t be cast and won’t be counted. LMAO and it was the caucuses that BOBO carried.

If there is a roll call, then it will probably be the way it’s been done lately — FAR outside of prime time, with a few states at a time. So one day 1-3 PM, some states go, another day it will be 12:30-2. If that sort of thing which will get a miniscule audience on C-SPAN riles you up, hey, get riled up.

Hillary hasn’t conceded defeat. You BOBOweenies of all people should remember this. You all went ballistic the day after.

I’m a delegate too, and I’m sure we can get the 300 signatures, but we don’t know yet if we can get Hillary’s.

It is the norm that when one candidate clinches and the other candidates endorse them (as has happened), the nomination proceeds by acclamation.

Can you think of a single counter-example? I can’t.

And don’t bring up Carter-Kennedy because Kennedy had not endorsed Carter, while Clinton has endorsed Obama and will be holding major fundraisers for his campaign with him far before the convention.

Hahahahaahah! Um DUH. Why do you think we’re here? Dolt. Quite a few of us from WA and TX here No Quarter.

Ah – So Hillary may not agree, in which case, if she doesn’t agree, under the rules, her name won’t be placed in nomination.

There’s no need to call names again. I just asked a perfectly civil question.

So how many delegates do you have lined up right now to sign that petition?

Hillary hasn’t conceded and nobody is the nominee until Denver. Without that concession Hillary’s endorsement is nothing more then a party unity photo op for the “presumed” nominee

I concur with Strawberries assessment

If Hillary is able to raise enough money to retire her debt, then she might be in a better position to press for her nomination at the convention.

Hlllary isn’t going to alienate her national base by refusing to sign because that would fly in the face of her pledge to have every vote counted.

I don’t owe you anything, I dislike you and Barky with great intensity. Anyone who supports a coked out drug addict for POTUS is a traitor in my book. If my husband and son have be drug free to be in the military then I expect my president to not be a lowlife druggie.

Of course she’s conceded. She endorsed Obama and she’s holding a major fundraiser with him in NY this week. They expect to raise 50 million for Obama together over several events. This goes far beyond a single photo-op.

Oh, and Clinton took all the negative material against Obama off her web site:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/02/clinton-attacks-against-obama-vanish-web/

She’s turned the page, quite decisively.

can you imagine BOBO upholding don’t ask don’t tell after the sinclair incident?

Bullshit, I still get e-mails from her. She has not released her delegates. You don’t know squat.

So you think Clinton supporters would hold it against her if she didn’t sign?

And what would happen — they wouldn’t support her again in another run or something?

Of course you don’t owe me anything.

I never thought you did.

Stooooop WC. Barky getting a blowjob from a guy while smoking crack. Ick. At least Monica was cute, chunky but cute.

Hilary suspended her campaign. She didn’t not concede. That the article you cite affirms this suspension with it’s noting that the attacks stopped only supporters my position. Strawberry is right LOL you are a dolt

The whitewashing took place quietly in the past few days as Mr. Obama cut his former rival a check to help relieve her campaign debt and as the Clinton family moved to fully embrace Mr. Obama as the presumptive Democratic nominee.

“She’s no longer campaigning for president,” said Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee. “She’s focused on her work in the Senate, campaigning for Senator Obama and other Democrats.”

yes to the first. yes to the second. LOL you’ve been seeing the world through BOBOweenie eyes for far too long.

Can you write without a personal insult?

WildChild,
You are very observant.

right, that’s what happens when you suspend. you don’t actively campaign. But you certainly don’t cut your supporters loose. I get the same E-mails Strawberry does.

LOL calling a tree a tree isn’t an insult.

Jesus, you’re obtuse, if she rolls over on her voters then all of them will bolt for McCain, I hope Barky knows this…or on second thought I hope he DOES get greedy and keeps her name off the ballot that will ensure Barky goes down in flames…wait why am I telling you this. Maybe I shouldn’t be giving Barky any more hints.

That’s why we supported Hillary and never walked the BOBOweenie happy trail.

Hey guys, this believe person is trying to “lead” you to their conclusion. Don’t let them do it.

I’m beginning to ‘believe’ that (Ba Rooom Ching!) barky needs help with his campaign so he sends moles out to gather new ideas.

My suggetion would be;

He could die his completely gray and then say he “was born on the backseat of a grayhound bus rolling down highwy 41…”

I really want him to hold a speech / press conference on the south side and extole the virtues of Pay to Play.

Geeklove — another wonderful vid. Thanks so much! And Ode to Joy — perfect.

And to the icks here who just want us to all shut up — your bullying might work on your little sister, but not here so shoo, shoo, run along home now.

Oh — be sure to go to youtube and rate geeklove’s video.

Um, the Brits have been out of Ireland for well over 70 years. I was referring to more recent history.

the IRA wasn’t contesting that part of Ireland

Northern Ireland, git.

Yes, that is what I was talking about. Northern Ireland is part of GB, Ireland is an independent country. (Although back when Ireland was part of GB, the IRA was fighting the Brits then too, so Mr K is not technically wrong with his comment.)

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-07-06 18:30:37

We were there you moron. We’re delegate

I doubt you are

Uh huh, keep thinking that you limey fruit. You just want me to tell you what district I’m from….suck my left one.

The IRA considers northern Ireland part if Ireland. There’s nothing about K’s comment that would suggest he was talking about the earlier Irish fight for independence since in the context of your original post you mentioned Britain nuking the Vatican and there were no nukes back in the twenties. Please try and keep up will you?

ok, this is my third try posting:

Thank you GeekLove! Please everyone support the Denver Group! Promote them on your blogs, and send out those postcards, and emails and tell people about them.

This should be at the top of the PUMA list. I would love to see them put out ads for their (our) cause!

Please contribute to them if you can:
The Denver Group.
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

I put them on the “action center” page.

You support BOBO. Reality isn’t your friend.

The Irish want all Brits off their island, get it? They want a united Ireland. Haven’t you ever been there?

Drop the Http:// and it’ll post better.

Moron. The IRA fought in Ireland in the 20′s, pre-nukes. They fought in Northern Ireland (you can’t make the “N” lower case and pretend it’s part of Ireland) after nukes came to be, so your comment is exactly wrong. Next you will be telling me west Virginia is part of Virginia.

This is a shame, because it was your first attempt at a real comment, and you made a fool of yourself. I guess you should just stick with the personal attacks.

It’s a hyperlink, no?

That is mostly correct. They want to end British rule in Northern Ireland. They have already ended it in Ireland.

If you think there is no difference between Ireland and Northern Ireland, then you should not discuss the topic in public.

Exactly, the IRA fought in Ireland in the twenties pre-nukes. Which is why, “There’s nothing about K’s comment that would suggest he was talking about the earlier Irish fight for independence since in the context of your original post you mentioned Britain nuking the Vatican and there were no nukes back in the twenties. Please try and keep up will you?

LOL but then I guess that request didn’t really stand much of a chance at your end did it?

You are an idiot, you’ve never been there and you speak for the Irish people? Dude, why do you think I call myself STRAWBERRY aka StrawberrybitesBarky aka The Strawberrybitch? Oy.

The IRA considers northern Ireland to be part of Ireland. You can’t divorce that from the public discussion of the topic since it is part of the public discussion of the topic.

OK, one more time, reak slow. Mr K was the one that mentioned Ireland after I mentioned IRA. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt by pointing out that yes, the IRA fought in Ireland (70 years ago), but that was not what I was referring to. OK? Me: talking about Northern Ireland. Mr K: mentioned Ireland.

Boingo, Ted has never been to Ireland and doesn’t understand that te Irish (as opposed to the Ulsters)won’t consider themselves completly independant until Northern Ireland and Ireland are united.

OK, so the fact I have never been there means Northern Ireland is not part of the UK? I am not saying the IRA doesn’t want that to change, obviously it does, but, regardless of what your screen name is, Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Christ you people are amazing.

WildChild, I am, and always have referred to Northern Ireland. Capital N. It ain’t part of Ireland. My whole freakin point originally was the IRA was fighting the Brits. Obviously because they want to change the situation. They want out of the UK. Why do they want out of the UK? Because as of today, they are part of the UK!

The IRA’s mission has always been an independent Ireland. Your lame attempt at trying to cover your own ridiculous tracks by blaming K for bringing up Ireland when you were the first person who brought Ireland into the mix when you said this, “That would be roughly equivalent to Great Britain nuking the Vatican if the IRA had launched a 9/11 scale attack instead of a bunch of smaller ones,” It was then you that went of context form your own reference for like like I said before, “ There’s nothing about K’s comment that would suggest he was talking about the earlier Irish fight for independence since in the context of your original post you mentioned Britain nuking the Vatican and there were no nukes back in the twenties.

LOL this is normally the place where I’d offer you a third opportunity to keep up, but it’s pretty clear that just isn’t going to happen now is? it.

No one has contested that Ted. We’re just laughing at you for taking k’s post out of the context you established in your original ridiculous analogy. Had you the capability to keep up, you could have avoided this drawn out foolishness of yours and we would have stopped laughing at you hours ago.. But here we are still laughing at you. (see: Bwah Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha )

Sorry. You are wrong. The first time Ireland was menioned was ny Mr K, abive. Here is the comment you seem to be overlooking:

“uh, not quite. The IRA just wanted the Brits out of Ireland. Al Qaeda wants us all dead, or enslaved, or converted…and they reference the quran, where they can cite direct passages from the immutable word of allah…though I was actually just using a bit of hyperbole to describe HRC as a hardass, which she is…but really, I am just an internet tough guy, and you are a sensitive interet sophisticate…aka, a pussy.”

to which I responded “Um, the Brits have been out of Ireland for well over 70 years. I was referring to more recent history.” In other words, I was rferring to the IRA fighting in Northern Ireland. This is all right there, plain and simple, in the comments above. You can pretend it isn’t but it’s there for all to see.

You still don’t get it. I could have jumped on Mr K for saying Ireland instead of Northern Ireland, but I didn’t. I just pointed out I meant Northern Ireland.

As for the last part of your comment, you once again demonstrate your maturity level.

It’s Ok Ted, I can do this all night long. K was responding to this comment of yours…

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-06 17:37:15

That would be roughly equivalent to Great Britain nuking the Vatican if the IRA had launched a 9/11 scale attack instead of a bunch of smaller ones, but heck, no need to be rational when killing a million people, right? It’s fun to be an internet tough guy.
but you don;t have to trust me. You can follow the little white line up from k’s post to your post. And this is why it’s so funny that in your response to K you take his rebuttal out of the context of your original ridiculous statement. Your assertion that, to which I responded “Um, the Brits have been out of Ireland for well over 70 years. I was referring to more recent history.” does nothing more then support the case I made that , “There’s nothing about K’s comment that would suggest he was talking about the earlier Irish fight for independence. K understood what you were talking about and responded accordingly in the same context you established. That’s clear to everyone here except you Ted.

Duh, the Brits are still on the island of Ireland. Check out a map. You may consider that little corner part of the UK and so do the Brits, but I do not nor do the vast majority of Irish citizens.

Sorry Ted. You couldn’t have jumped all over K for saying “Ireland” since it was you that brought up the IRA and as we all know the IRA fights for an independent “Ireland”. Thus the mentioning of “Ireland”.

Yes, strawberry, they are on the island. And I am talking about the country. How can you tell? I refer to it as “an independent country” way up top.

WildChild: of course that was my first comment. But I still don’t get your point. The word Ireland is not in my original comment. You cut and pasted it right there. How can you claim I was the first talk about Ireland? Trust me, had Mr K not mentioned Ireland in his post, I would never have mentioned it. I was talking about Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. At this point, I don’t even know what point you are trying to make.

yes, I think that is it. He was not born in the US…the birth certificate is a rouse–but TD discovered it, Jimj proved it….a diversion if you well. Does it magically now reappear as authentic? or will it be too late by the time the convention begins, i.e., clinton off the ballot?

I believe you are the non-issue, believe.

Obama was not born in the U.S.,,,the birth certificate is a rouse but was uncovered. now he is going to have to prove he is eligible.

ha ha.

Jeez. once more. IRA fought Brits in what is now Ireland in 20′s. Not my reference. They also fought Brits more recently in Northern Ireland (part of UK), which was my reference. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing more, nothing less.

I differentiate between Northern Ireland (which is part of UK) and the independent country Ireland (formally known as the Republic of Ireland). Politically they are two very different areas. Most people unserstand this and treat the two places that way. Ireland – independent country. Northern Ireland, part of UK. to use states as an analogy, if I made a reference to West Virginia, nobody would think I meant Virginia. Two different places with similar names.

I know you don’t understand Ted. ROFLMAO if you understood anything about what is transpiring here you would have gone to K’s post and pointed out what he said that would have caused any rational human being to believe he was talking about the IRA’s fight for independence back in the twenties rather the the present day context you established in your original post of the IRA’s fight to free the little corner of Ireland called northern Ireland. But you haven’t done that and we don’t expect you will anytime soon.

also note in last comment you reversed your earlier position when you said due to nukes timeframe, it was obvious not talking about IRA in Ieland…

I’m aware of the history ted. And it is your reference as you were the one that brought it up to begin with. Nobody mentioned or implied or did anything else along the lines of saying or doing something about the fight for Irish independence until you did Ted. LOL and about now were all on our knees praying that you aren’t the textbook example of the college educated types that support BOBO. If you are this country is in big trouble.

You need to do a google on Northern Ireland. You still pretend “northern” is a compass direction and not part of formal name of a politically distinct region. That won’t get by me. Nice try though.

Wring. K did, when he talked about Ireland, not Northern Ireland. Two different countries dude.

It’s Ok Ted. No one here had any confidence that you could go to K’s post and use it to make a case that K was talking about the fight for Irish independence when he was responding to your post.

sorry Ted. LOL I doesn’t fly. K’s mentioning a single word: Ireland doesn’t make your case for two reasons. 1: you brought up IRA. 2: the IRA is currently operating in northern Ireland. K made no implication that he was referring to any time frame other then the one you implied in your original ridiculous assertion.

Except for the fact that he said Ireland, which was the fighting in the 20′s. Had he said Northern Ireland, he would have been referring to the 70′s (obviously before and after 70′s too, but that was the worst fighting).

Quick questions. Do you understand that there is a political region on the north-est corner of the island that is known as Ireland that is named Northern Ireland? If so, do you know it is part of the UK? If so, do you know that it has been the source of the IRA fighting for the past 40 or so years? If you answer yes to those three questions, then we really have no argument, because that is all I am saying.

OK, but for your assertion to be correct, you have to assume that Ireland and Northern Ireland are the same. (I note you still refuse to use the capital N, what’s up with that? Is the US in north America? are the states south Dakota and north Dakota?) They are not the same. Do you agree they are not the same?

Nope. LOL nice try though. The IRA still wants the British out of Ireland just like K said. It’s just that the remaining area of Ireland that IRA wants the British out of is a little smaller now.

Do you accept there is an independent country referred to as Ireland?

As far as the IRA is concerned they are. And the IRA consistently fights in any part of Ireland the British consider their own.

OK. I’ll accept that. And what is the formal name of that region that the Brits still rule and the IRA wants them to leave? Answer that honestly and I think we can conclude this marathon.

It doesn’t matter what I think. This conversation is limited to your original statement which specifically included mention of the IRA and how you erroneously diverged from the context your established in your original post when you responded to K. This has nothing to do with me Ted. LMAO it’s all about you baby.

Sorry Ted, changing the subject doesn’t get you off the hook. Like I said up thread, this conversation isn’t about me or what I think about the situation in Ireland. It’s all about you and how you can’t use k’s post to defend your assertion that he was referring to the 1920′s rather then the context you established in your original post.

OK, It took a while to box you all the way in so you would refuse to answer a simple question, but I got there. That’s how you win or lose a debate.

It’s been fun, and I applaud your avoiding the ad hominem attack for so many posts in a row. I’m sure we will have future discussions

So you refuse to answer here as well. So this thread is over too.

Yeah it’s over because you ran away. LOL No big shocker there.

Ted you could has just asked me that up front and saved yourself the trouble. LOL but you know as this thing dragged out you got desperate and were grabbing at anything to use as an excuse for escape.

I found this article both enjoyable and disturbing today, in that the DNC is hoisted upon its own petard for its convention expense excesses, but that the Democratic Convention is now being managed by Barry’s campaign. How does that work in fairly managing the agenda?

Delays and Rising Costs for Convention Raise Worries for Democrats
by Leslie Wayne

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/us/politics/06convention.html?_r=1&sq=leslie%20wayne&st=nyt&oref=slogin&scp=2&pagewanted=print

Gawd, what a mess…I’m loving it. Barky may get stuck with the tab. Man, the irony.

just so you know my own thoughts…I am well aware that Northern Ireland is a separate state. It was not that originally, and there is a large Catholic population in N. Ireland. But I was trying to address the stretched analogy b/n nuking the Vatican and nuking Mecca. I don’t want either to be nuked. It was just tongue in cheek. No wonder you guys are called moonbats.

S N E A K

SAY NO to ELECT A KING

[...] The Denver Group: Keeping the Democratic Party democratic (by GeekLove at No Quarter) The Denver Group was formed to insure that the Democratic National Committee respect and carry out the democratic process at the convention in Denver this August by meeting certain specific goals. They will be advocating, and if neccessary pressuring, through purchased mass media as well other accepted avenues, the Democratic National Committee to see to it that these goals and the interests of tens of millions of Democratic voters are met. Their goals are: * An open convention. * Senator Clinton’s name on the ballot * Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on behalf of her candidacy. * A roll call vote. * No coronation [...]

[...] The Denver Group: Keeping the Democratic Party democratic (by GeekLove at No Quarter) The Denver Group was formed to insure that the Democratic National Committee respect and carry out the democratic process at the convention in Denver this August by meeting certain specific goals. They will be advocating, and if neccessary pressuring, through purchased mass media as well other accepted avenues, the Democratic National Committee to see to it that these goals and the interests of tens of millions of Democratic voters are met. Their goals are: * An open convention. * Senator Clinton’s name on the ballot * Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on behalf of her candidacy. * A roll call vote. * No coronation [...]

Spoiled children voting against their own principles to support McBush? WOW! I really hope this is just a tiny group of dems. because winning this year is critical to our future. Please vote for Barry!

Absolutely. Pelosi and the gang thumbed their noses at the party regulars, and you are saying what I’ve been yelling about all year.

Are you stupid? We’re the ones who vote in off-cycle years. We’re the ones who work the dang party system, even for the little fish. We ARE the party!

Well, screw em’.

Let’s see the new Democrats pay for the convention, work the party, and deliver the goods.

I predict they will fail.

I’ll go a step further. I think they’ll be surprised to see the youth vote shrink from the primary turnout.

lol*…..well, we can always count on the NYTIMES.

I loved the video! A bit too fast in places. I missed some of the screens, but I loved the approach, the message, and the tone!

great, great job!

NOBAMA PERIOD