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The Prospect of Change in US Relations With Russia, Iran and Afghanistan Alarms the Washington Post

NQ Editor’s Note: Reprinted from Truthout.org with the express permission of Mel Goodman.

obama-goodman    The Washington Post is running scared these days with its editorial writers having great difficulty coming to terms with the possibility of improved US relations with Russia and Iran. They also can’t understand why the Obama administration might decide that additional US military forces in Afghanistan will not solve the political and military problems there. There have been several editorials and op-eds this week that distort developments in each of these situations and predict failure for President Barack Obama. The fact that a “reset” button is needed and may offer the promise of success in our relations with Russia, Iran and even Afghanistan appears to be anathema to the Post.

    These policy changes, moreover, presumably led to today’s news that President Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize for his “extraordinary efforts to gain international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,” which must have these writers apoplectic. Only yesterday, Post op-ed writer David Ignatius termed the prospect of any change of policy in Afghanistan as “lawless,” and today Post op-ed writer Charles Krauthammer compared the president to a young Hamlet, who “frets, demurs, agonizes.”

    President Obama’s most persistent critic at the Post has been Fred Hiatt, the editor of the editorial page. His column earlier this week perpetuated a number of distortions and errors on the topic of Russia. Hiatt does not comprehend that the Russians are concerned about possible nuclear weapons in Iran or that Russia has genuine concerns about nuclear proliferation. In fact, the Russians do share our concerns on these issues. In the 1960s, Moscow was the major driver for the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), because it feared that the United States wanted to give West Germany a role in decision-making in the use of nuclear weapons. The Kremlin adhered carefully to the dictates of the NPT and, until the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, carefully monitored the types of technology that were sent to foreign countries. When Moscow’s nonproliferation regime broke down in the chaos of the 1990s, during the erratic rule of President Boris Yeltsin, it was actually Vladimir Putin who stepped in and stopped the sale of sensitive technologies to third world countries. This is the same Vladimir Putin, who Hiatt believes will prevent President Dmitry Medvedev from controlling Moscow’s nuclear-technology complex; Hiatt believes that Moscow prefers trade with Iran over the prevention of nuclear weapons in Iran.

    Hiatt also argues that Russia values its commercial and military exchanges with Iran far too much to work toward a nuclear-free Iran. Again, the facts put the lie to Hiatt’s arguments. US-Russian talks about Iran’s military programs began in the mid-1990s, when Russia froze military sales to Iran for a five-year period. Even when sales were resumed in 2000, the Russians kept a tight leash on the types of weapons that Iran purchased. Moscow has stopped delivery on the sale of the S-300 surface-to-air missile system and has dragged its heels on the delivery of other weapons systems.

    Russia, moreover, was never the enabler of Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Iran received its nuclear starter kit from Pakistan in 1987 and its missile support from North Korea in the 1990s. Russia always supported international efforts to keep Iran from going nuclear, but it opposed the coercive steps of the Bush administration that Moscow considered counterproductive. Even last week’s agreement to send uranium from Iran to Russia for enrichment stems from an earlier Russian offer to receive uranium from the Natanz enrichment facility for upgrading. Hiatt, of course, is welcome to his opinions, but he shouldn’t make up his own facts.

    Hiatt’s deputy on the editorial page is Jackson Diehl, and they are two peas in a pod, accurately representing the views of the paper’s publisher Katharine Weymouth. Diehl favors a policy of regime change in Iran and not even last week’s promising talks in Geneva between high-ranking US and Iranian officials – the first formal, direct negotiations between the two countries in 30 years – has disabused Diehl of his support for undermining the regime. The fact that Iran has essentially agreed to the creation of a diplomatic clock that will set times for the monitoring of the uranium enrichment facility near Qom and to the transfer of uranium from Iran to Russia and France for enrichment has made no impression on Diehl. Geneva for Diehl was simply “seven hours of palaver” that did nothing to assuage the “deep and growing gloom in Washington and European capitals” about Iran’s nuclear program. All of his examples of the so-called gloom were remarks, including those of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, made before the Geneva talks, not after. Diehl is still talking about an “escalation of sanctions,” when it is quite possible that the talks in Geneva could lead to a situation that doesn’t call for additional sanctions. Diehl fears that international inspections and the transfer of uranium for additional enrichment will only “complicate the negotiations and the prospects for sanctions.” For Diehl, the objective in Iran is sanctions and regime change – not the prevention of nuclear weapons.

    Diehl certainly fails to understand the reality on the ground in Iran, where the opponents of the regime in Tehran oppose further sanctions and fully support the uranium enrichment program of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He also fails to remember the disastrous consequences of our overthrow of a legitimate Iranian government in 1953.

    Yesterday, an editorial in The Washington Post marked another attempt by the paper to prod President Obama to adapt the “surge model (in Iraq) to Afghanistan.” Forget that the so-called surge of troops in Iraq in 2007 had tactical, but no strategic, benefits. Certainly, there were operational benefits from increasing US military forces in Iraq, but the surge was designed to provide an opportunity for the Iraq leadership to strengthen and unify its political rule in Baghdad and to break the logjam on important legislative issues that stymie political progress in Iraq. There is no evidence to support the notion that the Iraqi government took political advantage of the surge. And forget, also, that the proponents of more troops for Afghanistan consistently underestimate the degree of ethnic violence, local rivalries and the intensity of resistance to occupation in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Post writers mistakenly believe that the absence of a troop surge would “damage the effort to persuade Taliban fighters … to switch sides.” The paper fails to recognize that the Taliban movement is far more coordinated and centralized than the US military commanders appear to believe. Have the Post writers learned no lessons from the painful 18-year Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon and our own painful and long-term occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan? Or examine the long-term struggle of the French in Algeria, where they were entrenched for over a century, but lost a battle against a murky mix of nationalists and Islamicists. It is unlikely that adding another 40,000 US troops will make a difference in Afghanistan where Taliban forces already move freely in most of the country.

    A final word of warning to the neocon editorial writers at the Post: They have been focusing so strongly on attacking change in Russia, Iran and Afghanistan that they possibly have not noticed that the North Koreans have been sending signals to Washington and Seoul about the possibility of change in that arena. In the recent past, we have witnessed the release of two American journalists to former president Bill Clinton, progress in the reunification of families from North and South Korea and, now, the expressed interest of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il in resuming six-power talks on nuclear disarmament. Even the “hermit kingdom” may be coming in from the cold, so the Post writers had better sharpen their pencils.

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Melvin A. Goodman, senior fellow at the Center for International Policy, is a former intelligence analyst at the CIA (1966-1990) and the author of Failure of Intelligence: The Decline and Fall of the CIA. Mr. Goodman is a longtime friend of Larry Johnson’s and gave his express consent to reprint this article. We strongly suggest that you read Mr. Goodman’s other op-eds published here at No Quarter.

  • HARP

    This could never happen again……right?

    The phrase “peace for our time” was spoken on 30 September 1938 by British prime minister Neville Chamberlain in his speech concerning the Munich Agreement.[1] It is primarily remembered for its ironic value. The Munich Agreement gave the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia to Adolf Hitler in an attempt to satisfy his desire for Lebensraum (“living space”) for Germany. The German occupation of the Sudetenland began on the next day, 1 October.

  • http://www.BullShit.com Osellingbullshit

    Obama’s craving for love and obsessive need to be the center of the universe are putting the security of USA and the free world in danger.

  • Khan Krum
  • Bella

    Great insight!
    Obama and Hillary accomplished more with Iran in a few hours than 8 years of Cheney and his puppet-in-chief.
    The neo-con shills at the so-called ‘liberal media’ are just doing what they are paid for: warmongering.

  • HARP

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Tuesday that the threat of sanctions against Iran would be counterproductive, resisting U.S. efforts to win agreement for measures if Iran fails to prove its nuclear program is peaceful.

  • sjc-tx

    The ignorance is profound… How can people be so completely naive??? ( naive = “marked by unaffected simplicity : artless, ingenuous. Deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment” )

    No wonder there are such ‘problems’ in the CIA if this is the mentality of it’s members…

    I prefer to err on the side of reality, with judgements ‘cautiously’ based on past ACTIONS and ATTITUDES. To think that Iran or N Korea or even Russia is all of a sudden going to alter their entire concept of culture is just plain foolish, ignorant, and … well… NAIVE!

    And BTW Bella… “warmongering”, as you want to call proactive strength, it is what kept nukes and Cuban missiles at bay during the 60′s… And also contributed to our security from terrorists’ attacks since 9-11… Leave your dreams of utopia and unicorns for your computer games…

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  • sjc-tx

    Please tell us just WHAT they have accomplished with anyone… especially Iran… It’s those pesky missiles and uranium plants that have “popped up” since the great ones “speeches”… Yeah… Iran really takes them serious!!!

  • sjc-tx

    Yes and don’t forget 25 years earlier, the “War to end all wars” mantra…

  • Bella

    In addition to agreeing to allow full inspections of its Qom facility, Iran also agreed in principle to ship most of its current stockpile of enriched uranium to Russia, where it would be refined for exclusively peaceful uses, in what Western diplomats called a significant, but interim, measure to ease concerns over its nuclear program.

    Under the tentative uranium deal, Iran would ship what a U.S. official said was most of its approximately 3,000 pounds of low-enriched uranium to Russia, where it would be further refined, to 19.75 percent purity. That is much less than the purity needed to fuel a nuclear bomb.

    French technicians then would fabricate it into fuel rods and return it to Tehran to power a nuclear research reactor that’s used to make isotopes for nuclear medicine.

    As is true for any tentative agreement with anyone, there is always the possibility that something could happen prior to compliance, but this was a deal reached after a single-day meeting.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Mr. Goodman, your an opptimist it appears.

  • TeakWoodKite

    to ship most of its current stockpile

    Sure thing Bella, what about the remaining amount? You avoid the fact that Iran has been very good at deception for years. I would not thinkink after a one day meeting they would change there ways.

    I suppose the President of Iran will win a Peace Prize for saying Iran will yield to international demands.

    Under the tentative uranium deal…but this was a deal reached after a single-day meeting.Which one is it?

  • sjc-tx

    Words… just words…

  • Bella

    Yeah, like Saddam’s WMD.

    “But there is no firm intelligence that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. Iran has long insisted that is not their goal, and U.S intelligence reached the conclusion in 2007 that Iran’s weapons program ended in 2003 (Extra!, 3-4/08). Contrary to the assertions from some pundits, the U.S., British and French governments did not “discover” a weapons facility in Iran last month; rather, Iran itself disclosed a site, not yet operational, that it said would be used to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes (Inter Press Service, 9/29/09). Enrichment of nuclear fuel is not the same as developing nuclear weapons, but many in the media seemed happy to blur the distinction in the public debate”
    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3924

  • sjc-tx

    Iran also agreed in principle

    Translation….-> “we’re blowing you off with the same rhetoric you love to spew”

    I was raised that Actions speak louder that Words

  • sjc-tx

    U.S intelligence reached the conclusion in 2007 that Iran’s weapons program ended in 2003 ….. U.S., British and French governments did not “discover” a weapons facility in Iran last month; rather, Iran itself disclosed a site

    There seems to be a contradiction in terms here… The U.S. “”"Intelligence”" came to a conclusion there were no weapons programs…; and yet Iran then disclosed them later..??! Tells me just how INEFFECTIVE our “”Intelligence”" is…

    Makes one ~wonder~ what else our “”intelligence”" hasn’t figured out…

  • sjc-tx

    BTW… if Iran’s “weapons programs” were found not to exist in [ Iran’s weapons program ended in 2003 ]… Then just what were those missiles they recently “tested”… Party favors??

  • Bella

    Where’s the PROOF the site at Qom is a military program?
    Can you dispute the intelligence report with FACTS?
    Or is it just “Fox said so”?

    “The Qom plant, if current descriptions are accurate, cannot manufacture the basic feed-stock (uranium hexaflouride, or UF6) used in the centrifuge-based enrichment process. It is simply another plant in which the UF6 can be enriched.

    Why is this distinction important? Because the IAEA has underscored, again and again, that it has a full accounting of Iran’s nuclear material stockpile. There has been no diversion of nuclear material to the Qom plant (since it is under construction). The existence of the alleged enrichment plant at Qom in no way changes the nuclear material balance inside Iran today.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/25/iran-secret-nuclear-plant-inspections

  • sjc-tx

    Quit your whining… who said anything about Fox??

    And just WHAT the F do you think someone builds and TESTS MISSILES for you idiot???!!!

    (careful how you answer…, your ignorance is showing…!)

  • Sassy

    Apparently Bella missed the Fox report about the French scientist who was found to be in touch with Al-Queda.
    Does it snow in Iran? Looks like a white-out to me!

  • sjc-tx

    I ask bella just WHAT the hell they think a country builds and TEST FIRES LONG RANGE MISSILES for…???

  • sjc-tx

    VLASIKHA (Moscow Region), October 12 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces will launch five intercontinental ballistic missiles by the end of 2009, the SMF commander said Monday.

    “The Strategic Missile Forces plan to conduct five missile launches by the end of the year,” Lt. Gen. Andrei Shvaichenko told reporters.

    He said new missile systems (Topol-M SS-27 Sickle and RS-24 ICBMs) would account for not less than 80% of the SMF’s arsenal by late 2016.

    The general also confirmed that Russia would put the first regiment of new-generation multiple-warhead RS-24 ICBMs into service in December.

    The RS-24 ICBM, set to replace the older SS-18 and SS-19 missiles by 2050, is expected to boost the SMF’s capability.

    The SMF reportedly has a total of 538 ICBMs, including 306 SS-25 Sickle (Topol) missiles, 88 SS-18 Satan (Voyevoda) and 56 SS-27 Stalin (Topol-M) missiles.

    Hey Bella..! This is from the Russian Ministry 2 days ago…

  • Onofre’s arm

    Come on! Those are “Peace Missiles”. The peaceheads will be filled with inspirational literature and poetry, butterflies, flowers, and Unicorn seeds. An airburst of such wondrous bounty over Israel will almost certainly soften up those grumpy Jews.

  • sjc-tx

    Bella … This is the real world… NOT the world of rhetoric and propoganda…

    MOSCOW, July 15 (RIA Novosti) – The United States was unable to detect the presence of Russian strategic submarines in the Arctic before they test-launched two ballistic missiles, a Russian intelligence source said on Wednesday.

    Russia carried out test launches of two Sineva intercontinental ballistic missiles from two Delta IV class nuclear-powered submarines, located near the North Pole, on July 13-14.

    “The American radars certainly detected the missile launches but their location took them by surprise,” the source said.

    The first missile, flying a ballistic path, hit its designated target at the Kura testing grounds on the Kamchatka Peninsula, while the second, fired with a flat trajectory, destroyed a target at the Chizha testing site on the White Sea.

    The source said that the launch area, covered by ice floe, was heavily patrolled by Russian attack submarines and the Americans were unable to detect the arrival of two strategic submarines before the launch.

    “At the same time, U.S. reconnaissance satellites are unable to detect submarines under thick ice floe in the Arctic,” he said.

    The region around the North Pole is a perfect place for launches of ballistic missiles because it allows the submarines to arrive in a designated area undetected and to shorten the missile flight time to the target.

    The RSM-54 Sineva (NATO designation SS-N-23 Skiff) is a third-generation liquid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile that entered service with the Russian Navy in July 2007. It can carry four or 10 nuclear warheads, depending on the modification.

    Russia plans to equip its Delta IV class submarines with at least 100 Sineva missiles

  • sjc-tx
  • sjc-tx

    Bella – obama’s ego will not change this attitude and mindset

    Iran would “blow up the heart” of Israel if attacked by the Jewish state or the United States, a Revolutionary Guards official was quoted as saying.

    “Even if one American or Zionist missile hits our country, before the dust settles, Iranian missiles will blow up the heart of Israel,” Mojtaba Zolnour said, according to IRNA news agency.

    Zolnour is a deputy representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in the elite Guards force. Iranian officials have previously said Tehran would retaliate in the event of an Israeli or U.S. attack.

    Separately, a senior cleric predicted a new Palestinian uprising, after clashes at the flashpoint al-Aqsa mosque two weeks ago increased tension in Jerusalem, state television said.

    “The Zionists have for the umpteenth time launched an attack on al-Aqsa mosque … Know that with these crimes that you have now perpetrated the third intifada will take shape,” Ahmad Khatami told Friday prayer worshippers in Tehran.

    After the sermon, a few hundred people staged an anti-Israeli rally in central Tehran, a witness said.

    Iran does not recognise Israel, which it calls the “Zionist regime.” Israel regards Iran’s nuclear program as an existential threat.

    Earlier this year, a senior commander said Iranian missiles could reach Israeli nuclear sites. Israel is believed to be the only nuclear-armed Middle East state.

    IRANIAN “VICTORY”

    Israel has not ruled out military action if diplomacy fails to end a dispute over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, echoing U.S. policy, although Washington is engaged in a drive to resolve the issue through direct talks with Tehran.

    The West suspects the Islamic state is covertly seeking to develop nuclear weapons, which Iran denies.

    At talks in Geneva on October 1, Iran agreed with six world powers — the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany — to give U.N. experts access to a newly disclosed uranium enrichment plant south of Tehran.

    Iran and Western powers described talks as constructive and a step forward. However, underlying tension was highlighted before the meeting when Iran test-fired missiles with ranges that could put Israel and regional U.S. bases within reach.

    The Geneva talks are expected to win Iran a reprieve from more U.N. sanctions, although the West is likely to be wary of any attempt by Tehran to buy time to develop its nuclear work.

    Khatami, a member of a powerful clerical body, said the meeting in Switzerland represented a “victory” for Iran.

    “The Geneva conference was a very successful one and amounted to a victory for the Islamic Republic,” Khatami said.

    “Up until the conference they were constantly talking about sanctions and suspension, but when the conference was held there was no talk of either sanctions or suspension,” he said, referring to demands that Iran halt sensitive nuclear work.

    World powers at the next round of talks aim to press Iran for a freeze on expansion of enrichment as an interim step towards a suspension that would bring it major trade rewards. Iran has repeatedly rejected such demands.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Wow! Even after Obama placed a big, fat, juicy kiss on Medvedev’s ass by denying our allies in Poland and the Czech Republic a missile shield, those wonderful Russians aren’t going to help us with Iranian sanctions? Gosh, if we can’t even trust the Russians to help us, who CAN we trust?

  • Bella

    Fuck off, you shithead!! You can’t come up with one fucking rational argument, all you do is regurgitate the diarrhea you swallow over at Fox and you dare call names, you asshole?
    STFU fucking moron!

  • TeakWoodKite

    Bella, while Iran may have publicly disclosed this site, it has been on the radar of US Intel for sometime.
    While the 2007 Iran NIE was contrary to what the BUSH administration was looking for as a prime consumer, it is not a document of absolute FACT;

    We judge with high confidence that the halt lasted at least several years. (Because of
    intelligence gaps discussed elsewhere in this Estimate, however, DOE and the NIC
    assess with only moderate confidence that the halt to those activities represents a halt to Iran’s entire nuclear weapons program.)

    and;

    In our judgment, only an Iranian political decision to abandon a nuclear weapons objective would plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons

    .
    So while it did “put a sock” in Bush’s rhetoric, the politics of Iran make it unlikely they will not continue on a dual use development track at a minimum.

    The second and more dangerous implication is the reaction of other Gulf states being held hostage in a ME arms race.

    Bottomline for myself, is while much of Iran’s internal politics show the reach that the Council has, even the opposition in Iran are supportive of Iran’s pursuit of nukes. So as the 2007 NIE points out the political will to NOT develop these weapons is not there.

  • Donna Brazile

    Well that wasn’t a very Nobel Peace prize type response. Such language from a Bill Maher lover. Let’s try civil discourse for a change. Not the plug my ears and cry like a two year old.

    Stop the whining fest!

  • TeakWoodKite

    tsk tsk…Bella

  • sjc-tx

    If your reading skills were as creative as your vocabulary… well…

    Besides that you don’t seem able to comprehend ‘rational’…; judging by your very IRRATIONAL comments.

    (btw way… I don’t watch tv nor do I ‘swallow’ diarrhea.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    Yep, same advise for all politicians of both persuasions…never believe what they say only believe what they do.

  • Bella

    LOL
    You’re STILL not making much sense, donna. Take your medication, please.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Wow! How Bella-cose of you.

    Perhaps the Iranians could add a Bella bomb to their arsenal. When deployed, the smell produced in the target area would render the site uninhabitable for 10,000 years.

  • sjc-tx

    Exactly Martha… It’s not about who said it or what party… Its about the principle and the action. Unfortunately too many of the cult following of ‘you know who’, can’t see beyond the political ‘label’. And everything is viewed from that perspective…

  • Katmoon

    I would be; that time again. :) .

    Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.

  • sjc-tx

    but.. but… !! according to Bella, Iran isn’t making any weapons!!

  • TeakWoodKite

    How lovely Katmoon.
    Encore!!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Iran will ALWAYS agree to further talks, sham inspections and deflective activities. It is just the usual stalling tactics that they use on us while they continue full speed with their apocalyptic plans.

  • Donna Brazile

    Belly:

    That’s better! That foul language is so like yesterday.

    Stop the childfest!

  • TeakWoodKite

    U.S intelligence reached the conclusion in 2007 that Iran’s weapons program ended in 2003

    Cheney made sure of it when he outed Mrs. Wilson.

  • Katmoon

    For Teakwood:

    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”

    Keeps me sane :)

  • Zoom

    They’re still listening to the same Serious People (the Washington Post, the New York Times, Krauthammer, Kristol) who told us Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons, that Iraq was a threat to their neighbors, etc. Tons of BS.
    Now is Iran. They have been saying Iran is only months to building the bomb…for 15 years.
    The US economy is in the tank, but if we can just get into another war…

  • Ferd Berfle

    And BTW Bella… “warmongering”, as you want to call proactive strength, it is what kept nukes and Cuban missiless at bay during the 60s

    Actually, our policy kept the world relatively peaceful for 45 years (1946-1991). But that would be ancient history to an adolescent like Bella.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You still haven’t answered the question, Skippy, which is why they need missiles if they’re not going to put weaponry of some sort on said missiles. You more than likely think they’re really big party favors, naive boob that you are.

    And a nuclear program designed for peaceful purposes would not be put underground, deliberately hidden from view. Moreover they would not have come clean if they thought they could continue to get away with the clandestine program.

    Learn something about a subject prior to posting next time,

  • Ferd Berfle

    “The Qom plant, if current descriptions are accurate,

    There’s where your little diatribe falls apart, toots. No one will know until the facility is open to inspections. Guess you better go back to botHQ for more briefings.

  • graywolf

    Who is Bella?
    A member of the Iranian govt?
    Ahmadinejad’s bitch?

  • Ferd Berfle

    She’s just a damp behind the ears adolescent Obamabot with a lot of time on her hands and very little brain to occupy it.

  • sjc-tx

    Agreed Ferd… Agreed!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Indeed, sjc-tx. This bad old, mean country actually did keep the world safe for democracy. I spent three years on the East German border freezing my arse off on a tactical missile site in the 70s as a part of that decades-long ambitious mission.

    Sorry you got blind-sided by that silly-ass troll. They just don’t know when to quit.

  • TeakWoodKite

    One day they will be correct and what then?

  • Ferd Berfle

    The US economy is in the tank,

    but if That One can just win another award….

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Bella:

    Tantrums like a two-year old.

    Uses inappropriate language in a public forum.

    Intends to disrupt and discredit others without merit.

    Fails to engage in intelligent exchanges of information and ideas without judgement.

    Brings nothing to the conversation that encourages friendly discourse with others.

    Diagnosis:

    Angry obot with overtones of diminished capacity in intellectual and emotional modalities.

    Ban that broad!

  • sjc-tx

    Thanks for ye service Ferd!

    Silly arse troll indeed… But I was actually enjoying myself… (well… as much as one can in the circumstances…) ;-)

    I do find it incredulous though how awfully naive people are about nukes and ‘dictators’ and history.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I do find it incredulous though how awfully naive people are about nukes and ‘dictators’ and history.

    I agree. They fail to recognize how much of a feat it was to maintain and ultimately win the Cold War.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Bella Bella! Sfolgorante!

  • TeakWoodKite

    Yoohoo, Oh Bella… I’m gonna walk down to the creek to see how far the Jumanji game you are playing made downstream.

    But of course just sound of bull frogs is what I hear. Are you one of them?

  • growingup…

    Donna… I absolutely agree with You, some of those here just do not want to live in peace, just conflikt after conflict. I do not see Russia is attacking any countries, but we do. It is the time to start looking for peaceful solutions, not for problem and hate between any countries. Mentality of some here is just not right anymore. It is time to start talking about peace not any war for any reason.So far we didnt accomplish to much. Millions people are dying in wars, but for what???

  • growingup…

    remember”David and Goliat” It is time to be civil and to stop pointing fingers. Iran leaders are loughing at US, they didnt so far prove anything .I believe Mr.Obama is taking Our country in right direction!!!Not allways power and war bring peace and we can see that this is absolutely the truth.. Women are bringing children to this warld not get them kill in name of peace and freedom by war , but to have Family, to be happy and enjoy their life together and love. If we can be able to live in peace and respect each other, Our kids will be kind,loving and we will have much less of violance and crime.
    That is why I agree with Mr.Obama. Respect, respect, respect……. and we should defend Our country , our land right here, not there.

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