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Kaptur and Johnson Detail Wash & Wall Dysfunction

US Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) and Former International Monetary Fund chief economist Simon Johnson discussed the state of the economy on Bill Moyer’s Journal and it is must see video (more below the fold). Even though this is something I read and write about regularly, it is shocking to hear just how dysfunctional Washington and how blatant Wall Street has become. The full 30-minute interview and transcript can be seen here. And I can’t recommend it highly enough.

Rep. Kaptur explains the reality in her district:

Let me give you a reality from ground zero in Toledo, Ohio. Our foreclosures have gone up 94 percent.

Johnson adds that bailed-out banks have little incentive to help homeowners:

I’m afraid that it’s pretty obvious, and it’s very tragic, that they have no interest in helping the homeowners. They make money with what they’re doing. They expected a lot of these mortgages they made to default, okay? It was in their models. A high default rate. Now, they didn’t expect house prices to come down so much. That’s where they got their losses. But they absolutely made these loans expecting they would have to foreclose on people. And figuring they would make money on that.

Washington and Wall Street in Action

Rep. Kaptur details Washington dysfunction:

“Congress has really shut down. I’m disappointed in both chambers, because wouldn’t you think, with the largest financial crisis in American history, in the largest transfer of wealth from the American people to the biggest banks in this country, that every committee of Congress would be involved in hearings? [...] What we’re seeing is tangential hearings on very arcane aspects of financial reform [...] rather than hearings on the fundamental new architecture of reforming the American financial system.”

And now that the banks crisis has passed without any meaningful reform, Johnson explains:

“the opportunity for real reform has already passed. And, not only is there not going to be change, but I’ll go further — I’ll say it’s going to be worse, what comes out of this, in terms of the financial system, its power, and what it can get away with.”

Lemon Socialism

Simon Johnson explains what it means when not one of the Wall Street bank CEOs attended President Obama speech on Wall Street last month:

Because they think that the next time they won’t even have to ask. They’ll just be given the bailout that they want.

And the future is looking even scarier. Simon Johnson’s biggest worry:

Another Great Depression. Right? If you don’t fix the financial system, Bill. If you allow them to have the same attitude. If you- if you actually allow them to increase their economic power, their ability to take risk, and their belief that they can shove the losses onto the government. And that’s why they didn’t show up to President Obama’s speech on Wall Street.

Muckrakers are essential.

What we need to do going forward:

SIMON JOHNSON: Well, I think you have to keep at it, Bill. I mean, that’s the lesson from previous generations of Americans, who have really confronted entrenched power like this. You have to keep at it. And you mustn’t be satisfied. When the Administration says, ‘Okay, we fixed it. Don’t worry. We did some technical tweaking on capital requirements, for example, in the banks.’ You have to say, ‘No, that’s not true. Let’s look at what’s happening, let’s follow it through.’

The muckrakers of today are absolutely essential, I think, to really pushing these banks. And revealing what they’re doing. And by the way, Bill, it’s going to I think it’s going to be a long haul. I think that the economy will start to recover. We’ll get some jobs back. It’s going to be very painful for a lot of people. But other people’s attention is going to drift. It’s a three, five, seven, maybe twelve year cycle. But when it comes back, it will come back with a vengeance. And it will be even, I think, even more devastating, in all likelihood, than what we just saw.

  • Diana L. C.

    Linda A.,

    Thank you again for a great post about the economy, though I think you know I’m thanking you for completely depressing me. I just can’t see Mr. I Can Raise More Money Illegally Than Anyone Else, who happens to be our POTUS, listening to any of this.

    He lives in the WH and gets to fly on Air Force One for ridiculous reasons, he won, and he still has a mansion in Chicago. Why should he worry?

  • Ellen D

    Thanks, Linda.
    Yes, that was an amazing program.
    I’m interested in the response from other countries. Many foreign banks got burned in this debacle and I would be interested to see if their governments let them continue buying dubious American paper even if the U.S. government doesn’t prohibit the banks from going back to the same stupid practices. They may be selling paper with few International buyers.

  • jbjd

    Thank you, Linda. Now, I will watch the whole program on PBS. I cannot get enough of Representative Kaptur.

  • Scout

    Clinton/Kaptur 2012 anyone?

  • jbjd

    Her, her.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    It makes me sick to think the bad loans were calculated into the equation. There were undoubtedly alot of foolish people, but it’s unconscionable to prey on their ignorance.

    Thank you, Linda for reminding us of the vultures who hold the reins of our economy.

  • morris1030

    I saw the show and it was a special look at the truth we don’t get fom the rest of TV Media.

    Both Kaptur and Simon explained the entire economic mess and the foreclosure tragedies in details we don’t get from any of the media.

    Moyers show was even better than usual which is hard to do as his show stands alone in factual representations we never see in print let alone cable or TV.

    Kaptur was courageous and brilliant and pulled no punches, as did Simon.

    We’re being had by Wall St, & Chase leading the other swine banks, as well as Obama who is currently covering for them.

    Obama’s re-election depends and covers for this cartel of jackals as we watch ourselves being rolled by the Health Care shennanigans, & the economy, etc. Moyers always illuminates. We owe him.

  • morris1030

    Yes, a really great program. Kaptur was a revelation.

    I can’t believe we are in this much trouble. And I still can’t believe we have this inept,inexperienced,
    opportunist in the WH who is making our troubled healthcare system even far worse.

    It’s disheartening to watch Chicago screw it up from day one.

  • beachnan

    I love this woman’s openness in calling out the banks. These people have taken our money and are now hoarding it. Something needs to be done to change this but, Obama doesn’t have the balls to call out the bank. Thank God for people like this woman for telling it like it really is.

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  • boonies

    first some ‘full disclosure’…I am a generally right-of-center, Republican- voting (but registered as a conservative ) evangelical christian who happily found this site in Sept ’08 during the election… i was taken by the civil tone and insider info Larry J. and the contributors herein had to offer despite some political differences I had…that said, I TOO am very impressed by Marcy Kaptur and her take on the bank mess and wonder…does she have a twin? We need more like this- of any stripe politically- who will speak the truth to MONEY

  • Peggy Sue

    Great article and piece of TV interviewing. The American public needs to hear more of this because until it sinks in–the absolute scam job both the financial institutions and the government has pulled on the country–nothing will change. I agree with Johnson, the idea that President Obama doesn’t know what’s going on is highly unlikely. His Administration had the chance to clean things up but chose not to do so. And the people around him are part of the problem, not the solution.

    This is not a matter of simply changing Generals [if only it were that easy]. This is a matter that requires an entire purging of the system, which means regulations with teeth, accountability and an end of Wall St. pushing the buttons in DC. I agree with Kaptur: it is disheartening because the degree of corruption and outright fraud is mind-boggling. I suspect, we could count the honest brokers in Congress as less than 10 or 20 representatives. And that is beyond depressing.

    Thanks for putting the piece up!

  • Linda Anselmi

    You read my mind Peggy Sue. I have a piece on Johnson’s skepticism of Obama coming up.

  • Linda Anselmi

    Hey Diana -

    It is depressing me also, but I guess I’d rather know and try to fight back then pretend all is well with a little hope and change.

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