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The LA Times Does Some Budget Analysis for Obama

The pliant media is fast becoming a distant memory. Well perhaps the print media because I cannot say that I paying any attention to the cable channels. I am sure Olbermann et al continue their rah-rah-rah for Obama at full pace.

The Los Angeles Times, however, is not. It is looking at Obama and his policy proposals and taking him to task over how he is going to pay for them.

In more than a year of campaigning, Barack Obama has made a long list of promises for new federal programs costing tens of billions of dollars, many of them aimed at protecting people from the pain of a souring economy.

But if he wins the presidency, Obama will be hard-pressed to keep his blueprint intact. A variety of budget analysts are skeptical that the Democrat’s agenda could survive in the face of large federal budget deficits and the difficulty of making good on his plan to raise new revenue by closing tax loopholes, ending the Iraq war and cutting spending that is deemed low-priority.

Like predecessors who also had to square far-reaching promises with inescapable budget realities, they say, a President Obama might need to jettison pieces of Obama-ism.

“I don’t think it all adds up,” Isabel Sawhill, an official in President Clinton’s Office of Management and Budget, said of Obama’s spending plans.

“There will definitely need to be a recalibration of these proposals once someone is in office,” said Sawhill, now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. “The fiscal situation just isn’t going to permit doing what Sen. Obama or anyone else would like.”

On Monday, Obama repeated his commitment to his agenda, as both he and his Republican opponent, John McCain, spent the day highlighting their plans to revive the economy.

McCain, appearing in Denver, said he would create new jobs and balance the budget by the end of his first term in 2013 — a claim that has drawn skepticism because he wants to extend President Bush’s tax cuts that are due to expire.

Obama said Monday that his plan would provide more help to struggling middle-class families.

“I think it is important for us to make some critical investments right now in America’s families,” the senator from Illinois told reporters in St. Louis, where his plane made an unscheduled stop to resolve a mechanical problem.

In remarks he had intended to deliver in North Carolina, Obama said his plan would “not only ensure the economic security of middle-class families in the long term, but also the need to give them a chance for some relief in the short term, to make sure that Americans aren’t just getting by but getting ahead.”

Among other proposals during the course of the campaign, Obama has said he would strengthen the nation’s bridges and dams ($6 billion a year), help make men better fathers ($50 million a year) and aid Iraqis displaced by the war ($2 billion in one-time spending). Last week, he pledged to give religious and community groups $500 million a year to provide summer education to low-income children.

Other proposals are more costly. Obama wants to extend health insurance to more people (part of a $65-billion-a-year health plan), develop cleaner energy sources ($15 billion a year), curb home foreclosures ($10 billion in one-time spending) and add $18 billion a year to education spending.

It is a far different blueprint than McCain is offering. The senator from Arizona has proposed relatively little new spending, arguing that tax cuts and private business are more effective means of solving problems.

The total price tag of Obama’s plans, according to his campaign, is $130 billion a year. On top of that, Obama is proposing a middle-class tax cut of about $80 billion a year.

Obama’s campaign says the new spending would be more than offset by cuts to existing federal programs and other savings.

“His plan reallocates what we’re spending today on the war in Iraq and wasteful and low-priority government programs into higher-priority investments in our future,” said Jason Furman, Obama’s economic policy director.

Some budget experts point to the last Democratic presidency, Bill Clinton’s, as an example of the budget pressures Obama might face.

Clinton campaigned in 1992 on a platform he called “Putting People First,” which included government spending on job training and other programs to help middle-class Americans navigate the economy. But after his election, Clinton scaled back his ambitions and made deficit-cutting a priority instead, following the counsel of advisors such as Robert E. Rubin.

Clinton wound up charting a centrist course in his two terms, and declared in 1996 that “the era of big government is over.”

Rubin is now an advisor to Obama. One of the men who also wanted Clinton to cut the deficit first was Leon E. Panetta, who eventually became Clinton’s chief of staff.

Panetta predicts that Obama is in for a similar reckoning.

“I accept that all candidates throw out a lot of proposals when they’re campaigning,” Panetta said in an interview. “You have to assume that’s all part of a campaign strategy to appeal to a lot of different constituencies that are out there. But once he enters the Oval Office, he’s going to have to make some hard decisions.”

Obama’s staff thinks that ending the Iraq war would free up money — at least $90 billion a year — that could be redirected to the new government programs. But it is unclear when that would occur. Obama has not given a clear date by which the Iraq war might end. On Thursday, he said he remained committed to withdrawing combat troops in 16 months. At a debate in September, he would not commit to pulling all U.S. troops out of Iraq by 2013.

Some budget experts say even a speedy end to the war would not give Obama much money for new programs.

“You cannot justify a longer-term commitment to a program based on a one-time saving on the war in Iraq,” said Stuart Butler, who studies domestic policy at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative-leaning think tank.

In addition, replenishing the military and rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan are certain to become expensive priorities once the fighting stops, said Alice Rivlin, who directed the Office of Management and Budget for several years under Clinton.

“Savings from the Iraq war will not be all that great,” she said.

Other new sources of revenue in Obama’s plan include about $80 billion a year from closing tax loopholes and $100 billion from a variety of cuts in spending and revised government procurement rules.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center examined Obama’s plans to eliminate tax loopholes and said it could not confirm the projected savings.

“If you look at official revenue estimates, the numbers come out to be less than half of what they say they’re going to raise,” said Len Burman, director of the center and a former Treasury official in the Clinton administration, referring to Obama’s campaign staff.

McCain has cited similar proposals to free up revenue as part of his plan to balance the budget by 2013, saying he would cut pork-barrel spending and other “wasteful” programs. He says that winning the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would generate savings that could be plowed into deficit reduction.

Unlike McCain, Obama says he could recoup about $100 billion a year by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for families earning more than $250,000 annually — but some analysts question that too.

Those tax cuts are set to expire at the end of 2010, so repealing them a couple of years earlier would hardly result in a windfall that could be used as a continuing funding source, they say.

The Obama campaign responds that tax cuts, once enacted, are usually renewed and do not expire. Therefore, they say, Obama can legitimately claim to be recouping money for other purposes by scaling back the tax cuts.

Obama has not identified new revenue sources or spending cuts to pay for some of what he wants to do.

His $10-billion fund to reduce home foreclosures, for example, is part of a $50-billion plan to stimulate the economy through increased government spending. Paying for the program through spending cuts would defeat the point of the stimulus, the campaign says.

Also complicating his plans, Obama would inherit a budget deficit projected at more than $400 billion. Another burden is the rising cost of Medicare and other entitlement programs. In this environment, new programs may prove unaffordable.

Obama is nothing but a tax, spend and subsidize politician. Can we afford this style of politics? Does he make economic sense? Health care is a priority but his plan is not a health care plan. It is an insurance plan that still leaves at 15 million people and to boot runs $1,900 per new insured more than Clinton’s plan that covered everybody.

I am also a realist. The economy is in serious trouble after eight years of mismanagement. I am not as sanguine as McCain to think that the Bush Tax cuts can be made permanent. I doubt they can. Yet they can also not be raised in this economic environment to their previous levels. Even so, spending has to be cut not increased. Neither candidate gets the equation wrong. But Obama gets both parts wrong.

From my blog, By The Fault.

  • Sal

    First!

    anyways

    Obama said that he’s not interested in balancing the budget.

    Not only does Obama say he won’t eliminate the deficit in his first term, as McCain aims to do, he frankly says he’s not sure he’d bring it down at all in four years, considering his own spending plans.

    “I do not make a promise that we can reduce it by 2013 because I think it is important for us to make some critical investments right now in America’s families,” Obama told reporters this week when asked if he’d match McCain’s pledge.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_budget_promises

    • Sal

      I think a good investment in our families is to not saddle the future generations with trillions in debt. mmk?

    • suthrn

      does this mean that in his 2nd term he could work his magic? i dont think so

      • Sal

        The Mayans say that the Apocalypse will happen in 2012, and with BHO’s naieve view of the world running the show if he wins this year, I’m more inclined to believe that’s true.

        Good news though is there won’t be a second term for BHO :P

        • Dawnelle

          some say they just ended their calendar at that point – how far ahead should they go? Ours are only one year right? lol

          12/24? /12

          personally I’ll just be glad if I make it to 2012. ;-)

        • Alice Paul

          Its funny this topic should come up. A friend told me today that Nostradamus only predicted up until 2012!

          Isaiah 32:

          Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded,
          And the ears of those who hear will listen.
          The mind of the hasty will discern the truth,
          And the tongue of the stammerers will hasten to speak clearly.
          No longer will the fool be called noble,
          Or the rogue be spoken of as generous.
          For a fool speaks nonsense,
          And his heart inclines toward wickedness

    • http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com valsthewoman

      EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA IS ELITE

      Elite formal definition from

      source 1 Hillary loyalist Now For McCain
      A man running for President named OBAMA
      WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT DO YOU WANT? SOMEONE WHO CAN NOT RELATE TO YOU? SOMEONE THAT BELIEVES HE IS ENTITTLED TO THE JOB WITH A FAKE PUMPED UP RESUME THAT WOULD GET YOU PERSONALLY FIRED IF YOU TRIED THIS IN THE REAL WORLD OF JOBS?

      READ THE REST AT: http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/evidencethatobamaiselite.aspx

  • Annie Oakley

    Obama is a pay to play politician. I fear his programs for healthcare will go to insurance, not patients; his home foreclosure spending to bankers, not homeowners; and his faith-based spending increases to the Rev. Wrights of the world, not children.

    • vinnie

      We are well over the $400B mark in the foreclosure mess…$10B in one time spending? It’s like putting a band-aid over a deep gash.

    • Dawnelle

      for real! :-/

      I see the same thing. Sadly.

    • B from Bloomington

      I agree. There is every indication that this man for big corporations and doesn’t care about people. His legislation (the slim record he has anyway) has been to throw money at his buddies and they are in turn working to get him into the highest office in the country. Greed indeed runs the Chicago machine.

      • imustprotest

        Agreed. One word, Rezco.

  • etrog

    And what’s behind Obama?

    . Obama’s presidential campaign is supported by investment banks tied to the market speculation of oil prices.
    According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama’s top 10 campaign contributors include the investment firms Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Morgan Stanley, and UBS Securities. In fact, Goldman Sachs has been propping up the hope and change candidate for some years now, even when he was still a relative unknown with no grassroots network or any real resume to run on.
    Now four of those banks have surfaced as players in the scheme to vault the cost of crude to over $140 a barrel. By utilizing their tremedous monetary reserves, they’ve purchased massive quantities of oil futures on the London stock exchange through a subsidiary called ICE Futures. As in the case of rice and other global food commodities, this hoarding has generated a shortage on paper, thereby driving up prices.
    Pretty clever, huh? Also coldblooded. It’s similar to what Enron did to California in 2000. By ordering power plants offline to create rolling blackouts, Ken Lay’s company could charge the state inflated rates to buy electricity from other plants. That same year, a piece of legislation was slipped into an 11,000 page appropriation bill to set up this scam. Sponsored by Senator Richard Lugar, the rider was called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. And by some coincidence, one of the two firms responsible for Ice Futures, Goldman Sachs, places first on Obama’s money bags list (again) for 2008. Its executives, employees and spouses have donated $571,000. So far.
    To make the Illinois senator’s oil slick even stickier, in March his handlers began running an ad that claimed he didn’t take money from lobbyists or the oil companies. Was it a pre-emptive strike in the face of rising gas prices? Hard to say. According to factcheck.org, the TV and radio spots failed woefully in the accuracy department, although CNN incessantly repeated a clip of the candidate himself making the statement in the lead-up to the Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana primaries. Obama has received nearly a quarter million dollars from gas and oil industry executives, their employees and spouses this year. And those donations were rolling in through the course of the ad buy.

    • wodiej

      not suprised by this, I heard Wall St was fucking w oil prices somehow and I equated the same that it was similar to the Enron deal and rolling black outs in California.

  • MrMike

    If anything taxes will have to go up so we can stop selling Treasury Notes hand over fist. Since the American Public is so infantile when it comes to fiscal responsibility I don’t expect that to happen anytime soon. At least not until the economy is so far down the drain that the depression of the 30′s will look like a mild downturn. During previous recessions/depressions we had cheap energy to help bail us out. I think we are boned big time.

  • Retired

    Obama, just promise us anything and get elected. After you’re in office, you can do whatever you want. That’s the plan, right?

  • fred

    Sen. Obama Expected to Vote on FISA Shortly
    Will Obama throw over half of his supporters under the bus? Should someone call greyhound for a bigger bus?

    • candymarl

      No. He’ll vote against FISA knowing it will pass anyway. Then he will tout his ‘courage’ in standing up for the American people. His followers will fall for it. They’ll forget that he was FOR FISA a few days ago.

      But he’s not a typical politician.

      • beebop

        I concur. He’s all for taking the high road when the cameras are rolling ….

        • Dawnelle

          Yea we’ve heard the way he talks about us in private!!

          “bitter, gun-clingy, etc”

          not real flattering

          • Sal

            scary thing is that’s not private, it was public

            imagine what he REALLY says to Michelle in private.

            I’d imagine the convo goes something like this

            Pinko: Well Brain what are we going to do tonight?

            Brain: The same thing we do every night Pinko! Try to takeover the world, starting with the Democractic Party first.

            • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

              heh heh…

              a. hillary
              b. mccain

              america first!

            • Hillcrat

              LOL! thanks for the laugh

              PUMA!

              • Fred C. Dobbs

                My hunting rifle and shotgun are only safe from confiscation when protected by my battle rifle and sidearm!

        • imustprotest

          I argee too candy, I think the rest of the democrats went along to give him political coverage.

      • Sal

        I think his pledge was basically that he’s voting for FISA because as President he will make sure its used responsibly.

        But Barry, what if you…LOSE???? You arrogant, elitist, radical idiot.

        • Dawnelle

          Pinkie and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain would NEVER consider losing as an option.

          • Sal

            Pinko and the Brain ;)

        • Newly Independent

          And in addition to that, who in hell can trust Obama to use FISA responsibly??

          With FISA, campaign financing, gun control and others, Obama’s already been flip-flopping like a fish on dry land. He’s already proven that he’s unstable – and he isn’t even in the White House!

          After all this, who would be stupid enough to trust this man’s word as President?

          • Sal

            For some odd reason, the analogy of the man who leaves his wife for the younger woman only to find out that she’s a manipulative creature who lies to get what she wants applies here. The man might want to try to get back together with his wife, but he doesn’t want to admit he made a mistake and so he sticks with the new one hoping that she will change even when it’s apparent that she will dump him to get what she wants.

            • Newly Independent

              Damn!

              That’s a good analogy!

              Then I look forward to Obama’s minions being “dumped.”

            • Neine

              You are so sexist like obamashit&co! what’s the difference?

      • vinnie

        Ditto.

        He plays his supporters like the fools they are.

  • Haoli-Haoli

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/09/clinton.obama/index.html

    Clinton donors hesitant to show love for Obama

  • http://deleted Aaron

    I don’t’ understand how if we can’t afford to deficit spend money on the war, how can afford to deficit spend on ridiculous, worthless federal programs? if you can’t afford a vacation to Las Vegas you don’t go and buy plasma televisions for every room in the house.

    • wodiej

      don’t forget getting your nails done and the chrome rims for you car

    • Dawnelle

      LOL that would be NICE!!!

      I think he’s figuring we’ll just keep borrowing from China, Japan, etc a while longer since McCain would continue Bush’s tax cuts anyway.

      He’s gonna try to scape-goat some Jeremiah Wright type policies bEFORE his 2nd term (he’s that arrogant)

      Trying to OUT spend and OUT STUPID GW

  • wodiej

    I have a feeling Obama’s plan would be to give away money through federal programs to every lazy, worthless person alive. There is already too much of that now. You think our economy is shitty now?

    • Dawnelle

      no there would be NOTHING for middle aged white women and all seniors!

      • wodiej

        I stand corrected!

      • Gay Smurf

        Actually Seniors and low income earners gain most under Obama.

        Obama would also introduce new tax breaks for lower and middle-income groups. Such breaks include expanding the earned income tax credit, giving those making less than $150,000 a $500 tax credit per person on the first $8,100 in income, giving those making under $75,000 a 50% federal match on the first $1,000 of savings, and exempting seniors making less than $50,000 from having to pay income tax.

        Like McCain, Obama would lessen the bite of the estate tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax, but to a lesser degree….

        …But those in the lowest-income groups would enjoy the biggest after-tax income rise as a percentage of income – between 2.4% and 5.5% (worth between $567 and $1,042). By contrast, the highest-income households – those with at least $603,000 in income – would see a dramatic decline in their after-tax income – a drop of 8.7%, or $116,000

        • C.S.

          Those in the lowest income groups need it. When Obama scoffed at $30 gas savings he was chastised by middle class America who looked at that extra $30 as a tank of gas, food, a pair of new shoes for growing kids or an extra co pay for a doctor’s visit. No one receives inflation raises any more even thought it was reported to be over 4% so far this year; and merit raises and job security are things of the past.

          Obama is clearly aware of who he has to please; it’s even apparent in his campaign. He isn’t worried about all those college kids out their working to get him elected finding jobs when they graduate and I see nothing in his plans to say he’s going to follow in the footsteps of our last Depression president FDR or even recession president Bill Clinton.

          Forget all these “economic” appraisals from the experts; we all know the economy is good when we can afford food, clothing and shelter and have enough left over for “the pursuit of happiness” and we haven’t had that since William Jefferson Clinton. Obama’s “fix” is the same old same old; nothing hopeful or changed about it.

          And he, too, may be in trouble if he doesn’t move into Our White House since the main financial contributor to his solvency is in jail but I’m sure he can find another quicker than we can find another job.

    • MummySmurf

      Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-09 11:55:32

      I have a feeling Obama’s plan would be to give away money through federal programs to every lazy, worthless person alive. There is already too much of that now. You think our economy is shitty now?

      Is that a Dem position?

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        Must one believe in the Universal Government Sugar Titty to be a Democrat?

        If so, then count me out.

  • JB

    Obama just sucks at math, honestly. He’s reality-challenged.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Worthwhile NPR program today, To The Point, hosted by Warren Olney:

    The Economy and the Presidential Campaign
    WED JUL 9, 2008

    With Americans worried about jobs, housing and the prices of food and gasoline, the presidential candidates have spent this week talking about the economy. Wednesday, on To the Point, is McCain more of an economic expert than he claims to be? Do Obama’s proposals add up?

    You can listen at 11 a.m. PT via KUOW.org, the Seattle NPR station.

  • Anonymous

    Bottom line is that the US is going to have to drastically cut spending. If we do, we’ll have two years of minor recession followed by an economic boom. If we don’t, we are looking at a depression.

    Everyone who knows about what has actually worked economically for the last two generations (as opposed to failed marxist/socialist theory) knows this is the case.

    If Obama is elected or the democrats gain a supermajority in Congress, our country will face an extended period of privation….all so that the most worthless elements of our society can get fat off of welfare while further destroying our country with crime, drugs etc. If McCain is elected and can successfully block the stupidity of democrat corruption and social engineering, our economy will quickly recover.

    It’s as simple as that. And most people are rapidly becoming aware of it.

    • wodiej

      RIGHT ON!!

    • kenne

      Anyone old enough to remember LBJ with a democrat compliant congress will recognize the futility of correcting the problems caused by ineffective welfare programs by throwing even more money into ineffective welfare programs.

      All the way with LBJ
      Got us in the mess we’re in today.

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        I remember vividly the Lyndon Johnson Memorial Inflation, an artifact of, “Guns and Butter,” or, fighting in SE Asia on credit.

    • Grover Cleveland

      The business of America is business.

      • Calvin Coolidge

        Stop stealing my quotes.

  • Crazy Flip-Flop Liar

    Some top of Hillary’s fundraisers deny their support for Mr HUSSEIN Obama, look at this:

    http://news.muckety.com/2008/06/04/lynn-forester-de-rothschild-stands-by-her-woman/3171

    • wodiej

      another strong woman!! good for her for sticking by Hillary!!

  • Jennifer

    . A Daily Call to Action:

    As you know, headquarters is calling HRC’s donors to ask for donations. PLEASE, if you have any time in the next two days, go to headquarters and help them make calls. Please see the below information, as this is truly why it matters: (FYI, I’m not sure what the 7/15/2008 date means and I’ve asked, so I’ll let you know once I find out)

    (This was on Riverdaughter):

    The message that needs to go out to folks calling supporters should focus on getting Hillary’s dept paid by 7/15! Found this on RD and it looks like the SDs are listening to blog radio as well. We need to move quickly.
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    do not forget hillary’s and our campaign debt is down to $ 5 million and we have till 7/15/2008 to raise these dollars befor dean and Obama shut her down.
    If the debt is not paid by her loyal supporters…then prehaps obama will pay in in exchange for….
    1. Hillary release her delegates
    2. No floor nomination of Hillary at the convention
    3. No roll call vote or first ballot
    4. No speech at the convention by our girl on her platform of core democratic values
    Hillary is a woman of her word and she promised her venders they would be paid…ladies and gentlemen she is in a tuff spot, and again she needs us please let us answer the call to retire the once and for all.
    also I am checking to see who the SD’s belonged to that listened to the conf call this weekend…but its funny how after they listened the DNC came down hard on our girls fundraising….

    • wodiej

      wow, that’s great, we got $6 million paid down-we need to do another money bomb!!

    • Diana

      Oh my gersh! My husband is going to shoot me in the eye with a bazooka. You’ve donated to Hillary, then you switched sides and went and donated to the Republicans. Both John and the party this week because your angry. Now your going back to donating again to Hillary in the same week! Just who’s side are you on? Before we go broke. lol Both! I want Hillary, but if I can’t have Hillary I’m taking John. ;)

  • ummm

    I like McCain’s budget plan, better.

    Win in Iraq and then stuff happens. In 8, no 4, no 8 years, PRESTO…balanced budget…somehow.

    • Dawnelle

      no offense to McCain or ummmm

      but you believe this because the Repukes were so creative getting us INTO this WRONG invasion??

      You think they will be as creative getting us OUT of the mess THEY created?

      They SHOULD BE right?

      lmao ummmmmmmm NOT!

      • ummm

        what the hell are you talking about?

        Read my post again and then google “sarcasm”, dummy.

        • imustprotest

          to ummmm
          Rather than anyone reading your posts again I recommend you leave. You bring nothing to the discussion except sarcasm and name calling.

          • ummm

            I never call names you moron.

          • ummm

            99% of the posts on this entire website are devoted to calling Obama a facist, commie, hitler, stalin, OJ Simpson, Mugabe, Bush, liar, murderer, gay crack head, and racist.

            Obama’s supporters are called robots, trolls, cultists, wild savages, gang bangers, criminals, hoodlums, etc.

            I ask for links, post links to refute stupid assertions, swat folks on the nose for not grasping basic english, and yes…employ sarcasm. But you glass jawed chumps consistently cry foul.

            You McCain loving Republicans are just the biggest bunch of WATB’s ever.

        • Dawnelle

          glad to know it NOW

          try googling SMART ASS DICK

          • PKat

            L(the fuck)OL

  • osbama

    OBAMA PUBLISHES ENEMIES LIST, CONSPIRACY WEB

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/behindthesmears

    Usually, paranoid presidents wait until they assume office before they compile their enemies list for their myrmidons to act on. Nixon had his infamous enemies list, the Clinton’s had their “The Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce.”

    Barack Obama has set a new standard for paranoia. And he hasn’t even been formally nominated yet.

    How can I get on this list?

    • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

      wow another similarity to Nixon….

      what a crook!

      a. hillary
      b. mccain

      america first!

    • PKJayne

      lmao this guy is unreal. I am laughing at his enemies list. What a buffoon.

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        Your characterization libels legitimate buffoons everywhere.

        F*** ‘em if they can’t take a joke!

  • BluDawg

    How will Obuma pay for all that new spending?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zy5Y4Jl8A

    How does Obuma view picking our pockets?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF_GExM4-yY

    Where does that leave struggling Middle America?

    SCREWED!

  • kenne

    Entitlement spending is already draining the annual budget dry. Entitlements account for 65% of the budget and even without new programs added will account for even greater percentages in in successive year. The second largest drain on the annual budget is interest on national debt incurred to fund those entitlements.

    Shutting down the Department of Defense in its entirety, even if theoretically possible, would not solve the problem, it would barely make a dent in the problem. Total defense spending is approximately 1/10 of all spending on entitlements, accounting for only 6.5% of the annual budget.

    To save big money, you need rationalize entitlements to economic reality. Obama wants to expand entitlements beyond reason. In the Johnson era this was called throwing more money at the problem without addressing the underlying problem first. How do you get people off of welfare and elevate them out of poverty? It is not by giving them even more welfare.

    • wodiej

      I agree, this is something I rail against. Clinton reformed welfare to an extent but an Obama administration would no doubt make it easier than ever to get on the dole. Personally I think anyone who has the gumption to go down to the welfare office to apply for benefits shouldn’t be too proud to do something for it. I think it should be a requirement to do volunteer work. Help clean up and mow the parks, work at a senior center or the other tons of not for profit organizations. This would not only be a help to the community it would teach the person doing the work alot of positive values.

      • kenne

        You have hit upon the difference between FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s Great Society. The New Deal programs were a government safety net of last resort. The WPA addressed 25% unemployment not by just giving money away, but by putting the unemployed to work doing those very things you cite. FDR required personal responsibility as a condition for receiving government benefits. FDR required people to pay something to their Social Security, FDR required people to do a job they were at least capable of, even if it was below their skill set, because no other jobs were available. FDR saw the dignity in a man working.

        In the 1960′s, the human dignity equation changed under the Great Society. It was deemed demeaning to the person to make him take a job cleaning up parks or sweeping streets in exchange for government benefits. Thus grew entitlements, the very word means a right without a corresponding obligation. The federal government started to pay people to sit at home unemployed.

        • wodiej

          aha, thanks for clarifying, I didn’t know that about the difference in FDR and LBJ’s programs.

          My Mother used to tell me how important working is and it didn’t matter if I was a garbage collector as long as I was the best damn garbage collector they ever had. The essence and value of work is not in the title you hold but in the pride of earning your own way and a job well done.

      • street_parade

        Social security and medicare, in other words programs for the elderly (aka, the 3rd rail of American politics) make up the vast majority of entitlement programs. What people typically refer to as ‘welfare’ (eg, entitlement programs like food stamps that are for the poor regardless of age) make up a very small piece of the pie.

    • C.S.

      I thought “black hole projects” was the biggest portion of the budget and Social Security (FICA) has also been counted as “entitlements” because that debt needs to be paid back just like the deficit. How can you say it’s “people on welfare” (entitlements) when Obama has proposed giving $500 million of your hard earned tax dollars to tax exempt churches for “faith based programs?

      The “people” we need to get off welfare are our government officials and greedy companies who are allowed to keep untaxed billions in foreign countries where they set up factories.

  • http://www.patriotroom.com Bill Dupray

    Al Gore Causes Mental Illness in Children. New Medical Diagnosis: “Climate Change Delusion”

    http://patriotroom.com/?p=512

    • cofer

      2007 coolest in the last 30 years. So far 08 is the same.

      • ummm

        this is based on what evidence?

        Links please.

        • cofer

          Do the research yourself. Try to avoid google.

    • street_parade

      Ahhh…the wingnuts descend.

  • ummm

    I am an entry level TROLL.

  • ummm

    Hmmm…

    Someone else using my moniker. Classier than a disbarred kilt wearing lawer.

    • hmmm

      I used the word moniker instead of screen name so I sound sophisticated, but nobody noticed.

      • Diana

        Blah, blah, blah why don’t you try cleaning up your own candidates backyard before you come over here trying to prune the other candidates. We’re quite capable here of looking at the other’s and we know they’re not perfect. Yet, they’re still better than Obama. You can take your racist candidate that believes in Black Liberation Theology, so much so he subjected his children to the racism and vile, and go for a walk in the park. Just don’t go for a walk in any of the parks he oversaw.

        • Diana

          Sorry about that, that comment was meant for Chuck.

          • Chuck

            Say what? Who do you think is my own candidate? And where do you think I was before coming “over here?”

  • Chuck

    McCain claims that we can get out of the economic swamp Bush led us into by doing more of what Bush did – cut corporate taxes. I think Obama’s stated position is better. The problem is that Obama is just as much of a corporatist as Bush and McCain, so that at any time, Obama’s position may well be “refined” and indistinguishable from McCain’s.

  • Diana

    I’ve been bombarding the LA Times for weeks now as well as several others about King Obama, and the zero reporting about any real facts. They wonder why they’re loosing subscriptions and going down the tubes. A city with almost 10 million people in it and they finally after how long have found one real reporter? Amazing.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Gee… do you think that the Times now being owned by Sam Zell (Chicago RE developer) has anything to do with LA Times bias?

  • elizinsandi

    Re calendar:

    I know people who just opt out of being informed or forming opinions about politics because of and end of the world mentality. They get it from religion and it’s the worst and most corosive way to view our problems. Dawnelle, I like that comment about one year at a time!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Dummies ben

    test

  • elizinsandi

    Al Gore is not the last word in global warming, but he’s started the discussion. I think most people, especially children can observe the trashing of the planet on their OWN, without any prompting and the idea that pointing it out to them causes problems is just another science-hating ploy.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Dummies hmmm

    With a Obama in office, this country is screwed.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    It will eventually become clear that Hope-a-Dope has made more empty promisess than a set of falsies in a wedding dress.

  • elizinsandi

    Gay, I don’t think exempting senior from paying income taxes (under a certain amount of income) is a good idea. Every segment of the country should feel they are doing their part. It’s a way of marginalizing some of the Boomers who threaten him and question his integrity. No matter how much money you make, you still need to have input. That’s the American way. Just say no to marginalizing people like the poor, seniors, others.

  • elizinsandi

    oops, major typo:

    I DON’T think exempting seniors from paying income taxes is a good idea!

  • John

    We’re trillions in debt, fall deeper into a hole each year, and the gumshoes over at LA Times figure out that Obama’s new spending proposals might not,after all, be fiscally sound. Give these guys a Pulitzer.

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  • cofer

    Are you that lazy? Also find out what John Coleman the founder of the Weather Channel is saying.

  • cofer

    He is a respected meteorologist, But you can call him weather man if it pleases you.
    I recomand some anger manegment classes.

  • Barbara

    Explain to me how scientist are unable to accurately predict the weather for tomorrow, let alone give an accurate five day forecast, yet can with absolute certainty claim to know what the climate will be like in 100 years.

  • USSR

    We agree.

  • Barbara

    A sensible Democrat led budget under Obama is a contradiction in terms. It is obvious that Obama knows orders of magnitude less about economics.

  • Chuck

    The Democratic Congress has rolled over for Bush. Maybe they’d take on McCain, maybe not. But it’s darned certain they would give Obama everything he asks for, no matter how inane. If our choice remains the “presumptive two,” gridlock is my preferred course, and that means McCain, even with his awful positions.

  • C.S.

    Depends on the Democrat and the “sensible” Democrats who might support it. Remember Reid and Pelosi will be retaining their positions and just may decide that a sensible budget is “off the table”.

  • cofer