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Obama’s Blues

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In Obama’s attempt to pander to the evangelical right, once again he offends women by supporting the stereotype that they are frivolous and in need of external control. In an interview with Relevant, a religious magazine, Obama stated:

“…I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.”

In a follow-up clarification, after some outside grumblings, Obama did concede that “serious clinical mental health diseases” would qualify, but women should not be able to obtain a late-term abortion just because they are “feeling blue.”

As Marie Cocco of the Washington Post observes, “Obama has backhandedly given credibility to the right-wing narrative that women who have abortions—even those who go through the physically and mentally wrenching experience of a late-term abortion—are frivolous and selfish creatures who might perhaps undergo this ordeal because they are ‘feeling blue.’”

So, Obama is now OK with late-term abortions if the woman’s physical health is in serious jeopardy or if she is stark raving bonkers. However, it is important to point out that the meaning of these critical terms are wobbly and soft. Where is the bright line that demarcates “sufficient” physical or mental illness from “insufficient” levels? No physical or mental health professional or biomedical ethicist worth their salt would even attempt to offer strict definitions that would apply in every individual case. In the final analysis, each situation is unique, defying any imposition of rigorous rules by politicians who are rarely medically sophisticated and who don’t know the women, many of whom are frightened and confused teenagers.

But there is more. Who else did Obama leave out? What about women like Gretchen Voss, a healthy, happily married woman of firm mind, eagerly awaiting an impending birth? Except for one thing. It was discovered late that the fetus had multiple defects so serious that the quality of life would be negligible and the expense of life-long intensive care unbearable. Obama apparently has not considered an agonizing decision that can only be made by the mother, her family, and her medical and religious advisors. Read Gretchen’s poignant story here.

Lynda Waddington was also faced with making this heartbreaking decision, and has this to say about what no man could fully understand:

“On one hand, I’d like nothing better than to take Obama’s hand and force him to walk each and every step of that experience with me. I want him to know the bittersweet feel of a child that will never live outside of the womb against his insides. I want him to wake up in the middle of the night and just for a moment know peace before the reality of what’s taken place comes crashing down again… I want him to feel the nation’s war of words in relation to abortion as personally and as raw as I do. I want him to understand that psychological wounds leave horrific scars.

On the other hand, the dismal truth is that I’m not that cruel. Even if I had the ability to force my memories and my experiences on Obama, even if by doing so I could virtually guarantee that he’d never again utter such an ignorant (at best) or politically-motivated (at worst) response… I couldn’t do it. What I’ve experienced is something I’d never wish, much less willingly give, to another person.” Read Lynda’s full story here.

I don’t know anyone–and I most certainly include myself—who is suggesting that the approximately 1% of all abortions that are performed late term should be casual events. But, this cartoon is more about women and their most personal and difficult life decisions and less about abortion, per se. That issue can be argued in other forums.

A final irony: Another Obama flip-flop! As a Harvard-trained lawyer on record for supporting Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, and as one of 19 co-sponsors of the Freedom of Choice Act, Obama should know that this bill would make both Supreme Court cases federal law and that the majority of Doe allows for physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age to be taken into consideration during any stage of pregnancy. (Read more about Obama’s support for the Freedom of Choice Act here.)

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    That about sums it up for this arrogant asswipe dodunit! HE knows when it’s ligit for a woman to have an abortion. I mean, wadafug, he IS the messiah an stuff ain’t he?

  • believe

    And where’s the comparison to the other candidate in this race, John McCain?

    It’s intellectual dishonest to focus on just one candidate since an election is a CHOICE.

    How antichoice is John McCain? Let’s look at his record. In his four years in the House, from 1983 to 1986, he cast eleven votes on reproductive issues. Ten were antichoice. Of 119 such votes in the Senate, 115 were antichoice, including votes for the ban on so-called partial-birth abortions and for the “gag rule,” which refuses funds to clinics abroad that so much as mention abortion. In 1999, the year he said he opposed repeal of Roe on health grounds, he voted against a bill that would have permitted servicewomen overseas, where safe, legal abortion is often unavailable, to pay out of their own pockets for abortions in military hospitals.

    His record on contraception and sex education is just as bad. He voted against a 2005 budget amendment, sponsored by Senator Hillary Clinton, that would have allotted $100 million to reduce teen pregnancy by means of education and birth control. He voted to require parental consent for birth control for teenage girls and to abolish Title X, which funds birth control and gynecological care for the poor. He voted against requiring insurance companies to pay for prescription contraception, when they pay for other prescription drugs–like, um, Viagra.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080707/pollitt

    • Lucinda

      Yes, we know this about John McCain. That’s the whole point, “believe”. We don’t know what Obama stands for, because he changes on a whim, or more precisely, to pander for votes.

      • believe

        Bullhockey. He has a 100% lifetime rating from NARAL and Planned Parenthood and Planned Parenthood of IL planned strategy with him when he was in the state legislature.

        He has a HUGE track record on abortion and it’s consistently, overwhelmingly pro-choice.

        He also has a HUGE……….over nevermind. I just want him so bad.

        • Lucinda

          FISA, campaign funding, withdrawal from Iraq, etc…
          He’ll be pro-life before you know, “believe”. Take off the rose-colored glasses.

          • believe

            Only one of those in the list was there a change, FISA.

            His position on Iraq hasn’t changed – He’s said the same thing for a very long time.

            And on public financing, he said he would pursue an agreement. He did and McCain offered a crappy deal. I’m proud that he didn’t feel bullied into taking it because someone would criticize him for it.

            • WildChild

              McCain offered a crappy deal? Bwah Ha Ha Ha HA . A real democrat like Hillary Clinton would have made a counter offer and aggressively pursued a deal like any real democrat. LOL BOBO sounds more like a secret shopper then he does a democratic candidate for president.

              • LiberaNatioanlist

                She’d make a counter offer? In what universe? Certainly not the my-way-or-the-hiway-healthcare universe.

            • stateofdisbelief

              Uh…believe, just because he repeated his “What she (Hillary) said” mantra throughout every debate does not constitute a consistent position applicable to any idea he wants to ‘refine’ now and at anytime in the future.

              It’s clear flip flops are in this summer

              • LiberaNatioanlist

                What’s clear is that some folks need a both a Thesaurus and a dictionary. And they need to stop pretending that they ever liked him regardless of the postion.

            • Northwest rain

              Go away idiot chauvinist PIG — just like your messiah.

              Obamabutts are disgusting semi-life forms.

              Go to hell — you MoFos

              • LiberalNationalist

                Well, I can see you are MORE than ready this great nation to a better day. Good thing you use a code name. Your ma would wash your mouth with soap if she knew who you were. And tell you you need some better material, too.

        • grlpatriot

          So, Obama’s present votes don’t bother you, Believe. Obama is weak for not taking a stand in favor of women’s reproductive freedom. Endorsements and ratings mean nothing in this election as we have seen. If that’s the case then, Obama is also the most liberal in the Senate which is counter to is flips on FISA, et.al. What is the “planned strategy” now, Believe? Enlighten us, please.

          • believe

            Of course the present votes don’t bother me. Planned Parenthood of Illinois asked him to take those votes.

            “We worked on the ‘present’ vote strategy with Obama,” said Pam Sutherland, chief lobbyist for the Illinois branch of Planned Parenthood, an abortion rights group. “He was willing to vote ‘no’, and was always going to be a ‘no’ vote for us.”

            http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_aborti.html

            • Bye bye Obambi

              No, he asked Planned Parenthood to give him an “out”. He asked them to accept a “present” vote. He is an unprincipled coward.

              • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

                EXACTLY. I can’t wait to do a post on this horseshit.

                The man is a panderer and he couldn’t care LESS about women.

                He is a HUGE red flag for women in this country.

                • mahaska

                  It’s strange how he hates women when it was his father that abandoned him.

                • LiberalNationalist

                  Except for women who actually pay attention to his record.

              • LiberaNatioanlist

                Utterly, entirely wrong. He did not ask – they asked him! He was orignally against it. The record is crystal clear for those who care to look. Not even debatable. And understand – he had an entirely safe seat in supporting abortion. So he could vote yes and you’d be happy now (or you’d probably be dissing him for some other misconceived notion because he isn’t your preferred candidate). But the coalition of Democrats in his state would be weaker, or he’d have a perfect record but Republs would have more votes. But he’d have kept it real

            • josgirl

              That’s a bs link.
              The article is about NOW calling him out about his “present” votes.

              “The current president of Illinois NOW, Bonnie Grabenhofer, issued a statement this week accusing Brett Howard of “misleading people and using her very old affiliation with NOW to help distance Senator Obama from his vote of present on key bills.” She said that the Illinois branch of NOW did not support the strategy of voting present, at least as far as the 2001 votes were concerned, and added: “At that time, we made it clear to the legislators that we disagreed with the strategy.”

              • LiberalNationalist

                NOW and Planned Parenthood had different strategies for achieving their goals.

                “Obama, however, was in a safe district and never faced a serious challenge for his legislative seat. He had no need to shy from hard-line stands…[Chicago Tribune, Zorn, 3/9/04]

                Planned Parenthood’s President point: Anyone Who Thinks A Present Vote Is A “Duck” Doesn’t Understand How the Process Works. “There is a presumption, if one is not familiar with the mechanics of the General Assembly, that a present vote is a ‘duck.’ Pam Sutherland, the CEO and President of Illinois Planned Parenthood said of [this] Hull argument: “I think it’s not well-based…I think it’s somebody who doesn’t understand how the legislative process works.” [Chicago Daily Herald, 3/10/04]

            • tarma

              The “present” votes might bother you if you consider them within the context of 129 “present” votes. This is not an isolated an strategic choice; it is part of a pattern of avoiding committment on issues. The same is true of his position on Iraq. He marketed himeself as the “anti-war” candidate, stressing his 16 month withdrawel plan in all policy discussions. He trusted that no one was really listening to Samantha Powers when she pointed out that this was not really a “plan”, but more of a “best-case scenario”. He hoodwinked the “progressive”, anti-war folks and now has the arrogance to blame them for “not listening”.
              Obama is an OPPORTUNISTIC POLITICAL SOCIOPATH.

              • LiberalNationalist

                Out of what – 4 000? We don’t have the same system in Washington – present votes were often voted for issues where the candidate likes the law but feels it has some flaws that neexd fixing, or even where he authroed the law. There’s a ton of news articles on this.

            • JustSaying

              CitizenLink: Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act

              Interesting read on how this guy thinks…he makes me sick to my stomach!

          • LiberaNatioanlist

            See that’s what annoys me about people who think standing on principal even though your cause is destroyed instead of building the actual political strength to win is what honorable people just have to do. It’s like the political version of “keeping it real,” and that instinct is one reason we don’t have universal health care TODAY

        • C.S.

          Obama doesn’t have a “record” on abortion because he’s only worked about 180 days in the Senate. I think a better comparison would be Bush’s hours on the job compared to Obama’s hours on the job.

          But right now, Obama is “just words” on Iraq (he voted for the spending bills), “just words” on FISA (although he did vote with the Bush position yesterday) and “just words” on abortion (the women-are-to-stupid-to-know-what’s-best-for-them ideology).

          If you want a “just words” candidate (usually someone else’s words) vote Barack Obama. Want a Supercandidate vote for Hillary Clinton. Want to mark time until 2016, vote for John McCain.

        • Fred C. Dobbs

          >>> I just want him so bad.
          Interesting bit of candor, there.

    • grlpatriot

      Believe, I see that you’ve drawn the No Quarter blog assignment for today. Your job must be really difficult, day after day defending Obama’s lies and flip flops. Talk about intellectual honesty. You cannot even defend Obama anymore can you? All you can do is disrupt and post something about Obama’s opponent.

      See, Believe, the real problem is that Hillary is right on all these issues concerning women’s reproductive freedom and we know it. She’s our candidate, our nominee, not the poser Obama who will say anything to anyone to get elected. Is that what you believe in? Do you like to be misled and lied to? Does it make you feel dirty when Obama panders to the far right? Believe, I’m concerned about you.

      • wodiej

        I think they like to feel dirty-the dirtier the better!

      • AliasJohnDoe

        I think “believe” likes the NoQuarter assignment draw. Though he finds it difficult to defend his messiah’s lies for meager wages, it’s still better than shining MEchelle’s size 18 Jimmy Choos.

    • Chuck

      The point for me is that although McCain is not the same McCain we saw in 2000, Obama is not the same guy we saw last month, and will likely be different again next month. Now that he thinks that Dems will have nowhere else to go – and you buy into that, apparently – he’s on a rightward march to sell himself to Republicans unhappy with McCain. Who knows where that will end – or if.

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      Believe, give it up. You no longer get people pissed off here. We’re no longer get irritated. You’re just a sad person with no life holding on to straws. Even CNN did a special on how Americans think both candidates suck wind and they feel nothing is going to change under either of them. Now given human nature, given two shitty choices, who do you think people will vote for? HT to Rummy, a shitty known or a shitty unknown. Since we’ve already seen that play out in 2004, my guess would be the shitty known.

    • clik212

      Dear Believe,

      The big issue here is that Obama’s nefarious pandering to the right for only his own power grab is going to be at the cost of your best interest. How stupid can you be to vote for some one who says one thing and does the opposite against your will and vote. We absolutely know where McCain stands. However, voting for an opportunist who trashed the very principles of what the party stands for and in fact our democratic ideals of fair voting processes is saying yes to political hacks and thugs that will carry those policies into the WH. Isn’t eight years of that enough?

      McCain is just a stop sign to let these hyenas know that we are not at their disposal. If you want change, you have got to know exactly what that change is, and more of the same political thuggery isn’t it. We need to put a stop to the DNC and clean house. In fact, both parties need to clean house. Corruption is corruption whether it’s from the left or the right, or the center. Damn when will people learn to think.

      People who vote for Obama might as well wear a sign around their necks: For Sale Never Used, Smooth Brain.

    • clik212

      Sadly, you are basing your argument that abortion rights are what are motivating women in this election. What is motivating this PUMA movement and the men and women in it, is the basic principles of our Democracy which have been trashed by a pack of thugs lead by Obama. The DNC, Donna Brazile and the rest of the losers, Kerry, Mondale, Dean et al are in it to make sure the Clintons are shut out. Most important with a novice like Obama they can get their agenda through.

      Abortion rights will not be overturned by McCain, with a Democratic Congress. In fact, there will be major gridlock. The Republicans along with McCain will do everything possible to make 2012 theirs.

      Threatening us with McCain and the abortion question is rather lame, when you think that the big issues, of health care, Iraq, the economy etc. are looming over us like a Tsunami forming in the horizon. Please “Believe” wrap your little brain around the following omens of disaster that manifest Obama’s craven ambition:

      Alic Palmer,Wright, Ayers, Pfleger, Sinclair’s connection and The murder of Donald Young, Rezko and his back door donors, FISA,campaign finance reform, Iraqi position, Johnson, Samantha Powers, pandering to the christian right. Back pedaling on abortion rights.

      Now he’s negotiating with Berlin to bring his silly campaign to Europe — the hubris — priceless. The insult to JFK painful for someone who was of that generation. How dare this piece of nothing exploit that moment in history towards his self adulation? The stadium convention, is for us. You have got to be drinking too much kool aid.

      • LiberaNatioanlist

        Your candidate can’t win over her own party who she’s known for 20 years, so my candidate’s a thug. Such party spirit. Where were you when the Clinton’s let Bush won off the hook for their Secret Government crimes in Central America and the Middle East, or for Federal violations during their cointest for the Presidency? Or where were you when their left workers, the environment and product safety on the shop floor to pass NAFTA? Or ending welfare as we know it? Or giving away the Lincoln bedroom? But suddenly you’ve found your principles, which are to call names and blaming people who know how to comepete and win, and want to advance an Democratic agenda. How noble.

    • http://topshelf51.wordpress.com/ BJ

      hey little puppy, i’m not a mccain supporter, but i do know john mccain hasn’t changed his stance. barky is floundering all over the place making a fool of himself with his pandering. he needs a 12 step program.

    • independenthill

      bo has flip-flopped on every issue.

      He will say whatever will get him elected.
      He has rightists views on gay rights and is also being a demagogue as far as abortion rights.
      McCain is a known safer choice for America.
      2012 is not that far away…

      • LiberaNatioanlist

        I love it. The 2 issues you mention, Obama is a strong, centrist Democrat with a real record worth y of respect – but you’d take the man who is on record to torpedo them both, just so yer girl can lose in 2012. And we wonder ho Republicans have done so well in the last quarter century

    • DeniseB

      Obama is apparently counting on this kind of logic – that he can say and do whatever he wants and the Democratic base will support him, because McCain will always be worse.

      Usually this is true, but I wouldn’t count on it. When I have this strong a feeling about something, I usually end up going with it. Emotions are an important component in decision-making: we’ve certainly seen this in enough Obamaphiles when they explain their decision to support him. He gives them hope; he gives me despair and nausea.

  • HARP

    SURE…Now that he has no balls,why should he worry.

    • mahaska

      bo’s zombies seem to think women think about abortion 24/7.

  • http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

    Fantatic, Pat! BO’s arrogance knows no bounds!

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    This jerk should never be allowed near women. I am not kidding here. Imagine HIM in charge of our lives with his attitude. That alone is a big enough reason to campaign against him in any way you can. God, He is a throwback folks. His attitude as president would roll downhill to every facet of women’s lives. I haven’t seen the likes of this pig in decades.

    • believe

      But McCain, with his ZERO rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL is better?

      Try some intellectual honesty if you’re talking about who is a better candidate for women and reproductive rights.

      I had such a hardon for Barack!!!! I can’t help myself!!

      • grlpatriot

        Actually, Hillary is the better candidate. How’s that from some intellectual honesty, Believe.

      • jwrjr

        I see. Since the trolls can no longer say “but, but, but Clinton …” they now say “but, but, but McCain …”. An original thought would make a troll’s head explode.

      • C.S.

        A little intellectual honesty would be nice from you. You can attack McCain all you want but until you deal with your candidate’s own shortcomings you come off as totally biased and lack the credibility to convince a lemming to follow you off a cliff.

      • http://topshelf51.wordpress.com/ BJ

        that’s because you have a tiny brain located at the tip of your hardon…. barky and his trolls. what loser’s. did i see you go into the horse barn to get some blinders?

      • Helen S

        Believe…you become more and more pitiful on a daily basis…

      • mahaska

        Well talk to him about your hardon, maybe he can meet you in a limo.

    • Bye bye Obambi

      Agreed. His disrespect for women, his penchant for trampling all over our dignity, is deeply alarming. What would his policies be?

      Never mind how emboldened sexists would be in this country if he were elected. It’s frightening.

      Go PUMA!
      Hillary or McCain 08!

    • Annie Oakley

      His attitude as president would roll downhill to every facet of women’s lives.

      I loath this pandering jackass. I can’t help but wonder if the whole Jessie Jackson thing was staged and this isn’t one giant pre-planned pander to the Right. The more the Left screams, the better he appears to them.

  • MIDem

    I can’t stand him.

  • avwrobel

    McCain’s base is on the right, so he panders to it. Obambi’s is the left, but he thinks the left is in the bag for him, and can therefore say these outrageous things. What a scum!

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      Ooooooo! Bam! That’s what I’m talking ’bout.

  • wodiej

    Obama is ignorant, what do we expect

  • believe

    You complain about Obama’s remarks about abortions that affect less than 1% of women, while McCain is opposed to abortions that affect 100% of women.

    So
    intellectually
    dishonest.

    • Lucinda

      Not 100% of women. Some of us are past that stage of life.

      • Independent

        So your daughters and granddaughters don’t deserve the same rights that you had?

        • Lucinda

          Actually, I don’t have children, and I don’t think I would’ve had an abortion even if that situation had arisen. I do believe that there are circumstances where it’s a medical necessity or in the case of rape, but I don’t believe in wholesale abortions. What I believe in is educating young women about contraception and abstinence. And before you say it, yes, this is one of those issues on which I lean to the conservative side of the fence. That’s why I’m an Independent voter. I don’t agree 100% with either party on all the issues.

          • Hope

            Neither do most people, Lucinda.
            Hence Obama’s about face straight to the middle. It’s the voters like you he’s after with his lies, flip flops, and mischaracterizations.
            The poster Believe lacks the depth necessary to realize voters care more about the character of the President precisely because most will never agree 100% on issues on either side.

        • Linda T

          You know, I am one of the ones that fought for abortion rights, and you young pipsqueaks have tried to elect someone who doesn’t give a flying shit about any of the rights we fought for, so you know what I think? If you lose them by voting for this asshole you deserve what you get.

          • LiberalNationalist

            He fought for them more than well enough. And if these pipsqueaks stay home – you will lose Roe – and You will deserve what you get. But we won’t let that happen.

      • Dawnelle

        Thank GOD

        and LET THEM FIGHT FOR IT LIKE WE DID!!

        I will never vote for a man who says a woman should “never be punished with a child they don’t want”

        THAT was a heinous thing to say.

        And I am 100 percent pro choice
        but never PRO-partial birth anything

        Obambam is a HATER!!! Mostly of WOMEN!!

        We don’t have to be blind to not HEAR it or DEAF to not SEE it!! If we were BOTH blind and deaf I’m SURE we’d FEEL something even MORE GUT UPSETTING!!!

        • Dawnelle

          not to mention what we already SMELL!!! PEEEEEEEEEEU! BO

        • StrawberrybitesBarky

          I still can’t believe he said that, Dawnelle. My first son is a….hmmmm…..’result’ of the sponge(biggest fraud ever, a cleaning device used to prevent pregnancy, only a man could come up with that). We had to drop out of college for a while and join the military for insurance but never once did I feel he was a punishment. He’s the best thing to ever happen to me. Barky just had shitty parents. That’s all. He’s got a chip on his shoulder and he wants all women to pay for his mother’s choices.

          • Dawnelle

            and they keep trying to convince everyone that he was NOT adversely affected by 20 yrs of hate speech at TUCC with Wright, Pfleger, etc!

            When literally every word he speaks (of his OWN) and every action he takes (or fails to take) speaks to his cult of personality!

            I can send him the WORD FOR THE DAY email and today’s word for Barry is

            OSMOSIS

            doh! ;-)

          • mahaska

            I pity his girls if one comes up pregnant some day.

    • grlpatriot

      Believe, you are missing the BIG point. We know where McCain stands; it’s not a surprise. See Obama is running as a “progressive” Democrat, but behaves and speaks like a Rovian neocon. This is not democratic, does not represent the Democratic Party, and is frankly disgusting. What really surprises me is that you aren’t disgusted by it. You must not be a real Democrat, Believe. What are you? We have a right to know in the spirit of intellectual honesty.

      • LiberalNationalist

        Wait – you are describing the CLINTONS!

    • Clinton Fan

      What’s intellectually dishonest is a lying asshole who will say ANYTHING TO WIN, who will change his position with the wind, who has managed to convince a bunch of moronic NIKEs that he’s the messiah even as he bellows tiresome bullshit that is not believable….who will do anything, change any position, prostitute himself to any special interest, from General Dynamics to the coal and nuke industries…just to achieve power.

      What’s sad is that intellectually deficient worshippers BELIEVE his bullshit. Apparently the last eight years have left a shitload of eighteenish-year olds behind….they lack even basic reasoning skills.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Don’t use the word “intellectual” in any of your post. It is far too ironic.

    • Steven Mather

      You are not in a position to critique anyone on moral or intellectual issues as your record of postings clearly demonstrates. You are a liar. You are a propagandist.

      You lie. Others provide evidence you are lying. You do not respond. You do not modify your position. You repeat the lie at a later date and the process begins again.

      You demand evidence from others. They provide the evidence. You do not respond. You do not modify your position. Others repeat the proven claim and you demand evidence again.

      Actions like these show you to be an enemy of the practise of free speech.

      Satan is the father of the lie. You are one his people: the people of the lie. Your lying actions undermine the health of communities by undermining trust within communities. Your lying is intended to undermine the trust within this free speech community.

      Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Fascist Italy, and Stalinist Albania were only possible because of people like you. Dictators and tyrants need true believers to enforce their doctrine.

      Your willingness to sacrifice the free will of others for Obama’s thoughts when added to FISA, equals some of the ingredients for making a tyranny.

      We reject tyranny. We reject Obama’s yes vote for FISA. We reject McCain’s non-vote on FISA. What should we do with you?

      • LiberalNationalist

        Dude. You need some help. Seriously.

    • C.S.

      So intellectually dishonest” – new Obama disciples’ catch phrase?

      Who does your statistics? 100% of anything is hard to prove, so post your data and we’ll replicate your study to see if we get the same results.

      • mahaska

        Oh god, is that going to be the phrase of the day?

    • http://topshelf51.wordpress.com/ BJ

      no, it’s a complaint about a liar… he lies, he goes back on his word, he panders, he’s just a POS.

  • wodiej

    Obama is ignorant, what do we expect…

  • Sprout

    That ‘man’ is the most bigoted, mysoginistic, moronic, pathetic excuse for a candidate that has ever been fielded for the office of POTUS. I don’t understand those who follow and worship him, I don’t understand how they can dismiss gaffe after gaffe and treat him as their messiah.
    If anything, the DNC should BEG Hillary Clinton to take the nomination in August to prevent the biggest landslide defeat of the democratic party in the past 100 years.
    I don’t want to vote for McCain, but I would vote for a trained seal before I would vote for barack obama. McCain is looking better by the day and at this point, he has my vote in Novemeber, my vote that has never gone to any republican in my lifetime and I thought never would. As for Obama, It’s not the color of his skin, it’s the lack of his character. The man is the liberal version of george bush and will only make our country worse, not better.
    It’s time the MSM start asking the hard questions such as: What was your involvment with Resko, Ayers, Larry Sinclair, Donald Young and the myriad of other connections that have been ignored in their quest to coronate him emporer of the United States.
    The emporer has no clothes!!

    • wodiej

      it’s simple, they have shit for brains. I think they have a mommy and daddy complex too. that is why they come here with us adults to get attention.

    • LiberalNationalist

      This post is an argument for electroshock therapy.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    i’m voting for mccain…

    at least 3 times…

    obama is a wanker…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • http://nad Dan

    What a sick little puppy. At least MCCain is actually saving lives with his plan for the surge in Iraq that Obama was against.

  • sonia

    Barack Obama crossed the pop culture/politics divide today by praising Lil’ Wayne’s rhyming ability at a campaign event in Powder Springs, Georgia.

    Take the lyrics of Lollipop, the aforementioned song which, if you have not yet heard on the radio, then your children certainly have. As is the habit of most modern Hip Hop, it is a song of sexual conquest, with Lil’ Wayne boasting of his ability to attract women and enjoy their company. Not so interesting, you think? Check out this set of lyrical couplets:


    I get her on top / She drop it like it’s hot
    And when I’m at the bottom / She Hillary Rodham

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/10/05915/6199

    • wodiej

      Jeezus-the vulgarity and Obama said nothing but praise. A prize PIG.

    • believe

      And then there’s McCain, who divorced his first wife because she was in a wheelchair to marry a rich second wife, who he has called a c**t in public.

      Do you know the story of his first wife? Ross Perot was around to help her then.

      Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.

      ‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.

      ‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

      • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

        is this is what its all come down to?

        when you can no longer defend or be proud of Baracktrack’s pathetic actions you gotta spread nasty crap about a decent honest american…

        we all see through you…

        i just hope your check from Baracktrack clears after he loses the election…

        or gets arrested…

        whichever comes first…

        a. hillary
        b. mccain

        america first!

        • believe

          You’re complaining about spreading nasty crap? Everything I wrote above is documented. Meanwhile this site spawns the nastiest BS around.

          • WildChild

            You said BOBO didn’t flip flop on public financing. BOBO flip flopped on public finamcing.

          • Fred C. Dobbs

            Except that you omitted any quote from Carol McCain herself, didn’t you?

          • http://deleted imustprotest

            believe makes me sick. Believe uses another woman, crippled at that, to defend Oblahma! That’s BO for you always needs to use and abuse women to get ahead. You have absolutely NO RIGHT to USE Carol McCain to further your own propaganda.

          • mahaska

            Oh, it is not.eat shit and die.

        • barack who?

          This is the same ineffective argument that came from extreme right wingers when the Reps had our primary. I will say to you the same thing I said to them:

          I am voting for POTUS, not Husband of the Year.
          I’m interested in a leader who can keep our country safe, living as I do in a state whose landscape now bears the mark of United Flight 93 crashing into the ground. In a part of that state that suffered casualties of the WTC attack, due to its citizens commuting to NYC for work.

          Are you upset about McCain’s role as a husband, oh gee, maybe he should go on Oprah or Dr. Phil so they can straighten him out.

          Lame.

          Why don’t you focus instead on where Barack Hussein’s overseas contributions are coming from, according to Maureen Dowd:

          The internet service
          providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran ,
          and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund
          transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .
          Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP
          with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from
          sources other than American voters. This was discussed at length within
          the campaign and the decision was made that none of these donations
          violated campaign financing laws.

          It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the campaign
          to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual source…

          • LiberalNationalist

            Sorry, it’s a fakee. Do your research

      • Sprout

        I wish Perot would run again in THIS election. He came close last time, he could easily win it this time around.

        • believe

          He came close? As in third place twice and the second time below 10%?

          • Hope

            Then why are you quoting him?
            If you need to reference McCain’s personal life to make your point; how about explaining why your candidate has trists with male prostitutes and enjoys crack cocaine for his leisure. Is this behavior morally acceptable to you?

            • clik212

              Also, the connection between, Sinclair, Donald Young (who was murdered) and Obama.

              • mahaska

                Don’t forget, 2 other gay men members of the “church” were murdered too. Any PD other than Chicago would that was too many coincidences.

        • Dawnelle

          roflol I voted for Perot twice

          (I was wrong) Bill did a GREAT job as President!! Too bad the Right wouldn’t leave him the HELL ALONE!!!

      • Lucinda

        And then there’s McCain, who divorced his first wife because she was in a wheelchair to marry a rich second wife, who he has called a c**t in public.

        You’re really big on fighting the smears and lies against Obama, but it doesn’t bother you at all to tell lies about other people, does it “unbelievable”?

        • clik212

          Hey everyone calm down! After all Believe is proof that Obama is a shit magnet. This little fly can’t be wrong! Or is it 17 million of them.

        • LiberalNationalist

          Actually you may not prefer that line of argument, but it doesn’t make it false

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Look believe, the guy spent five years in a POW camp, I’m sure he was more than a little whacked when he got home and did some bad things. Do you know the divorce rate right now in the military? Do you know how familiar Mccain’s story is to all of us? I’m living it. I can’t tell you how many happily married men come back from war and dump their families. It has to do with being over burdened and being trapped in situations they can’t control so they “bail” from the only responsbilty they can, usually the family. You are heartless cow.

        • clik212

          Look don’t make excuses for McCain. Okay? As some here posted we are not voting for husband of the year, we are voting for a President.

          If you go down that route you’ll have to make excuses for every President we every had, except Reagan, he was too senile to know behind which door the prostitute was in.

          Besides, the connection and events surrounding Sinclair and the murder of Donald Young brings about the question of Obama’s homosexual trysts. If it is true then he is a fake. Worst the most craven hypocrite on the planet. Him and his fake Christian ass.

          • StrawberrybitesBarky

            Look, all I’m saying is there is a distinct pattern to Mccain’s behavior. No excuse. One has to be a total twat not to see it. Besides McCain’s first wife has forgiven him and since Cindy got a prenup, she isn’t forced to stay with him. Even at her age she’s a hottie. With her looks and cash she could have young hot studs rubbing coconut oil on her while she soaks up the sun in the south of France. Yet she stays with John, I wonder why?

        • mahaska

          You’ve got it,Strawberry. Even vets who weren’t in captivity like he was came back damaged.
          He wasn’t the same person, I’m sure.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Oh brother not this old elephant. Let me tell you something, asshole. McCain is going to have to say that word about five hundred more times to catch up to the piggism of Barack Obama and his fucking vibrating cell phone. As for that C word, we are hardened to it. You want to know why? Here are just a few of the posts from assholes like you.

        Comment by Mike B. | 2008-06-10 00:08:42 | Edit This

        What? You can’t handle cunt? What a fucking pussy. Even Hillary uses that one.

        Or how about this?

        McSame 08 | xxxx@hotmail.com | IP: 74.237.207.135

        And what are you ? The bitch who sucks off the boss so she can blog at work ?

        McSame 08

        Or maybe…

        Comment by Jim | 2008-06-01 16:35:16 | Edit This

        Oh, you ignorant cunts. Your generation is dying off. Thank god.

        Now go Fuck Yourself, Pig. Don’t you DARE compare McCain to that piece of crap Comrade Obama. A cockroach is a better candidate than barack Obama. I call bullshit on you and you are about to be a huge target on this board.

      • C.S.

        Hey, believe, did you do as thorough a job investigating Obama? If so why don’t you post the results of that beneath this McCain post so we can compare them. Got that birth certificate? The name of the hospital? Know how much money Rezko gave him? Was it kickbacks for passing legislation favorable to his enterprises? What about that ethics charge, still under investigation? Is Fitzgerald preparing an indictment against him? Comeon; you can tell us… we won’t tell anyone else… it’ll be our little secret….

        • mahaska

          What ever happened to bo’s first wife?

    • Dawnelle

      {{SONIA}} IS THAT TRUE????

      OMG!! :-0

  • sonia


    Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as Presidential Candidate

    by architek, Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:30:42 AM EST

    Many Democrats, now disgusted with the long-predicted rightward swing of Sen. Obama, his dishonesty, and depressed that neither he nor Sen. McCain are the kind of person they wish to see in the White House after our long national nightmare, are calling for the Democratic Party to change its mind and select Hillary Clinton, an almost guaranteed winner among the PEOPLE, WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.
    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/10/93042/4062

    • believe

      Posting this in this thread, too?

      Well, I’ll repeat what I said. Clinton is not going to be the nominee.

      BTW, how could anyone even talk about a “guaranteed winner” with a straight face – especially about a candidate whose post Bill Clinton presidency doings were NEVER vetted properly?

      • candymarl

        I’ll repeat this:

        Obama is not getting our votes.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        You are just another asshole who attacks the one guy who rescued our party from years of attempted hijackings by radicals, children and left over socialist and communist party losers in America. you are the reason the Democratic party has only elected 2 presidents in 40 years…soon to be 44. And only one of them served two terms and you vilify him, you moron. Funny how my porfolio sure misses him, you jerk. We will take this party back from you whackjobs just like we did the last time you tried to force a nutjob on us as a candidate. Get the hell out of the way because Americans REFUSE to vote for these so-called candidates of dubious intent and record.

      • mahaska

        Really? You know for sure who the nominee is going to be? Crisswell, is that you? I thought you died.

  • Sprout

    Even if I don’t agree with everything John McCain stands for, at least I know WHAT he stands for. Obama blows with the wind.
    I read an article this morning about Malcom X, he fancied himself a “blank slate onto which people could write what they desired him to be” sound familiar? Numerous speaches have been shown to be word for word copies of other politicians. His “stands” are identical to those he stole them from. Has the man had one single original thought in his life?? Is ANYTHING he says said by him alone or is this a campaign of plagarism, giving the gullible what they want to hear?
    NoBama, NoWay!
    PUMU!!
    a. Hillary
    b. McCain
    Country before party.

    • wodiej

      Obama is a product of the sick little generation of punks we now have

      • believe

        Kids – Get off my lawn!!!

        God I want Obama so bad. Hes so hot!

        • HARP

          You!…Off my planet!

        • jwrjr

          This is not believe’s lawn. If anybody should STFU and leave it is believe.

          • believe

            That’s what those complaining about kids today sound like — “Get off my lawn!!”

            • WildChild

              LOL you must be a real bitch to the local kids.

        • Fred C. Dobbs

          >>> God I want Obama so bad. Hes so hot!

          Think about changing your screen name to CoalBurner, will you?

        • Chelsea Patriot

          Oh Good Lord, Believe!!

          Stop your moaning!! We get it!! You’re horny for Pampers!!! Surprise!! Surprise!!

          Just plop your needy ass down on that Unity dildo and be done with it!

          (What’s the deal at Barky’s Internet Headquarters? You have to write X-amount of posts before Axelrod lets you ride your Unity Ponies?)

        • mahaska

          Oh god, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    • believe

      You can look at his record and there are stark differences in this race.

      As Hillary Clinton said this morning, ““Anyone who voted for me has so much in common with anyone who voted for Barack.”

      • WildChild

        That knowledge should make it all the more easier for you to switch your allegiance to Hillary now that BOB has gone over to the dark side.

    • C.S.

      Yes. He said this: My mommy told me I was going to be president and added now I am!

  • http://nad Dan

    It might take 4 years of McCain to have Hillary as president which is better than 4 years of Obama.

    • Sprout

      I don’t think McCain will do as much damage as obama, and Hillary won’t have to clean up after two moronic idiots, just one moronic idiot and a war hero that wasn’t able to get anything done due to the other party controlling congress.
      After 4 years of obama, there may be nothing left to clean up, he may destroy us all.

      • believe

        Do you think Bush got stuff done? It sure looks like it — lots of damage. And a good deal of the time there was a Democratic Congress.

        It’s patently absurd to think that a President McCain would get less done than Bush did. Time for another war with McCain. But that’s just fine with you because her favored candidate didn’t get the nomination.

        • Lucinda

          It sure looks like it — lots of damage. And a good deal of the time there was a Democratic Congress.

          You just answered your own question. The Democratic Congress is just as much at fault for the mess we’re in as President Bush is. Neither party is in a position to claim that they know what’s best for America.

    • Dawnelle

      Hell yes Dan

  • Anonymous

    Wow…..and the dems criticize McCain for being anti-abortion. McCain (like most republicans) simply want to make it a states rights issue so that people can choose for themselves to live in an area that promotes abortion or not. Obama, wants to use force to make everyone accept a ban on abortion no matter what the people who live there think. I believe that qualifies as the biggest flip flop in the history of US politics….considering his previous history on the issue.

    Personally, I would love to see abortion restricted to the first tri only (which would still allow like 90% of abortions to take place). But I understand that there is great controversy on the matter so think the best way to handle this is the compromise of allowing people to decide for themselves what the law should be where they live.

    Obviously, Obama disagrees.

    • wodiej

      late term abortions should only be done in extreme circumstances

      • mahaska

        And they are. Very few are done. We should try to get the statistics.

        • mahaska

          Btw, bo voted against medical care for babies who survive abortion.

    • believe

      People don’t pick up and move so they can be in a state with choice. They have families and jobs and the like.

      Ending Roe and sending it to the states would create states where women don’t have a choice, especially those who can’t afford to take time off and travel to a choice state — so you will have women doing illegal abortions and dying of septic shock.

      If it’s ok for you to have women dying of coat hanger abortions, then you really should vote for McCain.

      • WildChild

        We wouldn’t need to vote for McCain the maverick republican if you would drop your support of BOBO the George Bush republican and support the only real democrat in this race: Hillary Clinton.

      • educatedwhitewoman

        Yawn. Stop with the scare tactics already. Roe v. Wade is settled case law and will not be overturned.

      • C.S.

        Roe v Wade is legal right now and women have to leave home and drive ot other states because no doctors perform abortions in their home towns, their cities, even their states and then they are harassed at the clinic doors when they finally get there.

        Before you try to use McCain’s stand on abortion to convince us to vote for Obama, you need to do a little research into what is left of Roe v Wade which, by the way, isn’t an abortion law at all but a Supreme Court decision confirming the right of women to decide for themselves. Your interpretation is like calling a joker an ace and expecting to win the game with it.

      • mahaska

        That horse is dead. Stop beating it!

    • Dawnelle

      I agree with you.

  • wodiej

    I don’t need Hillary to be my Mommy like you need Barack to be your Daddy. I’m an adult so I can make my own decisions.

    • believe

      I don’t need Obama to be my daddy.

      Why do NQ people feel compelled to tell other people what they’re really thinking? Folks keep telling you that Obama supporters never saw him as perfect, see his imperfections, and certainly never viewed him as a messiah, yet you have an overwhelming compulsion to continue to repeat these falsehoods.

      It’s very disrespectful to continue to tell people what they think when they’ve corrected you multiple times.

      • Lucinda

        Why do NQ people feel compelled to tell other people what they’re really thinking?

        Why do you? Six of one, half dozen of the others.

      • Hope

        When do Obamabots say that? In fact, none of you even defend him or explain how you accept his immoral behavior..you simply insult Hillary, McCain or their supporters. When in doubt pretend Hillary is a racist or McCain is not really a war hero. Grow up…your feeble arguments will never persuade a single person to vote for Obama.

        • Lee

          True! One of the Obambots I stayed with last weekend is so ostrich-like she would not even LOOK at the July 4th NYT editorial because she knew it was critical of Him! The blind devotion has a sad fragility to it — like it could shatter at any moment, so you’d best shield yourself from collecting data. I mean, c’mon — the NYT! Not like I was reading No Quarter in front of her, ha, ha!

  • camus

    I think the subject was Obama, right? So where’s his compassion? It would seem to me, who might as well be a bug as far as what goes in the world, that this man, Obama, who is the politician, has never looked inside himself to consider that he has already gained the power to help others, and whether that help is nuanced with his perceptions is at question. His actions, by which he can only be judged, always seem to reflect his ego-driven public persona and at no time in his career has he actually helped the poor, the disenfranchised, or those in need, rather it appears from most reports that he falls all over himself to help his rich friends get richer, and escape the pincers of legal fates, when he can, and when unable disavows them. And as far as numbers go, statistics can be run either way, and McCain at least doesn’t style himself a brother trying to help his own. And, I don’t think we’re talking about women with means here, are we folks? I’m looking at this from the social scientist’s point of view and see a lack of social conscience at work in what Obama does with he already has to work with. I only wish that he was he portrays himself as, but the old saw says it best: by their deeds ye shall know them. He’s just another wannabe with delusions of grandeur, who would rather talk about things that never were and things that will never be, all the while making his moves toward the jackpot.

    • believe

      It’s unbelievably ridiculous to only focus on one candidate when an election is about CHOOSING which candidate you want.

      And, yes, do look at deeds — You have long voting records for both on abortion. McCain is 100% anti-choice and Obama is 100% pro-choice.

      • WildChild

        BOBO is 100% pro telecom immunity. Hillary is 100% against telecom immunity. It’s time for you to finally see reason and support the real democratic candidate in this race: Hillary Clinton.

        • believe

          Yes, I disagree with Obama on that. But he is so much better than McCain overall, who also supported the FISA compromise — and also earlier versions of the bill which were much, much worse.

          • WildChild

            Hillary is much better then either BOBO or McCian overall now that it is clear she is the only democrat in the race. It’s time for you to embrace some of that intellectual honesty you’ve been demanding of others here today and switch your support to Hillary.

          • candymarl

            Obama supported FISA. His supporters asked him not to. He ignored their wishes. He said he was try to (paraphrase) show that he disagreed with the left wing of the Democratic Party.

            The current compromise is no better than the earlier ones. Obama voted for it.

            Dodd and Feingold opposed it as they said they would. Obama promised a filibuster – didn’t deliver. Obama said he was against FISA – voted for it.

            Obama lied.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        I am sick and tired of answering this same lame remark. Roe v Wade is going nowhere. It’s what the Democrats have used to keep women in line and doing their grunt work for far too long. Barack Obama has no more business discussing my body than George Bush, who resembles him a lot, has.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          Furthermore, if you are not a woman, mind your own goddamned business about our bodies. Believe me, we have been defending our own rights for long enough to know a Pig when we see one.

          • Dawnelle

            HEEHEE! Right ON Uppity My Dear!! ;-)

        • mahaska

          Even Scalia says it’s over roe/wade is law and is not going anywhere.

  • Tricia

    Obama is a pig

  • Cooney

    There is alot of talk about comparisons of Obama to McCain. I am a woman, a woman who has had to make such a choice. Why do I think McCain is better, because he is intellectually honest. McCain may not agree with abortion at all, but his character is such that I know this is what he believes. His character is also such that he values women, look at his staff and look at the financial equity of women who work for him. What alot of men don’t get, and Obama is one of them, is that women look to character, to actions to make their appraisals of people. I have been around along time and I can tell when a man truely values a woman, and McCain has shown this characteristic over and over. I also have radar for men who don’t value women, and Obama has shown those characteristics over and over.

    Roe V Wade is very important to me, and was a driving force in my political views when Bush ran. I also knew the Bush would actively try to overturn Roe V Wade. I don’t get the same vibe from McCain, he personally does not believe in abortion, but could he really actualize that belief, I don’t think so. Besides to all you men and women who put Roe V Wade at the top of your priorities list, remember Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Safety, food and shelter and existance takes precidence over everything else. Obama for me threatens Maslow’s basic needs and therefore theoretical abortion rights loss is not something that will guide my decision. Besides McCain will be in for four years and will he want his legacy to be Roe V Wade, I think not. Overturning R v. W ain’t going to happen folks with McCain, no way.

    • believe

      So you think abortion is really important and you totally disagree with McCain on it, but that’s ok because McCain is so honest and untrustworthy about being totally anti-choice?

      • candymarl

        GW Bush had a Republican House, Senate, and a conservative majority on the Supreme Court.
        Several challenges were made to Roe during the Bush years. Even Scalia and the crew didn’t overturn it.

        Considering Obama’s habit of saying one thing and doing the opposite how can we be sure he won’t overturn Roe v Wade?

        After all, he’s openly courting right wing Evangelicals.

    • Sprout

      McCain wants his legacy to be the President that provided the peaceful pullout in Iraq and mended the damage. That’s all he’s going to concentrate on and it gives the dNC a chance to groom their next candidate and actaully VET him/her (or get behind Hillary like they should have in the first place)
      McCain is a hero and he wants to be a hero one last time and end the fighting in Iraq, even if it means leaving forces there to keep the peace, as long as there are no deaths in those troops, he will have succeeded and leave office happy in his accomplishment.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      If Roe V Wade could have been ditched, that pig Bush would have done it. And if Pelosi and Reid cared “so much” ..enough to threaten us, they would have done something about it legislatively.

      Roe v Wade is nothing more than a scare tactic. It’s going nowhere. It has been confirmed and RE Confirmed. And I am sick of fighting for young women who think their rights as humans were always there, while I watch pigs like Obama whittle away at them. Barack Obama has done more damage to the perception of women in one year than all the Republicans put together.

    • Dawnelle

      I also agree with YOU!! I don’t get that vibe either from McCain.

      RISE HILLARY RISE!!!

  • Tricia

    Obama father leaves him and his mother and gets a book. All other black man get a talking too!

    Just wondering if Obama kids speak spanish?

  • britgirls

    Comment by Anonymous | 2008-07-10 09:30:23

    “Personally, I would love to see abortion restricted to the first tri only … ”

    I don’t know if you read any of the links in the story, but during a pregnancy you get an ultrasound at around 20 weeks. That’s when any major health/viability problems will become apparent … 20 weeks is in the second trimester.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Again, if you don’t own a uterus, it’s no one’s business but yours and your doctor’s.

      NOT the government’s.

    • http://IthinkIfeel... Pat Racimora

      Just a medical comment here. “Late-Term” is a flexible term depending on the status of each fetus. The Center for Disease Control defines getting an abortion at 20 weeks as “late term” Others use 21 weeks, or a few weeks after that.

      But there is wisdom in using the term “late term” instead of breaking the fetal period into three semesters. Some fetuses are viable at 20 weeks–most are not.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    The fundraiser in San Fran’s billionaire district, where Obama made his infamous “bitter” crack, was sponsored by a Pakistani citizen. Since Obama “cares” so much about women….cough cough….I was wondering what he thinks about Honor Killings of women, not only in Pakistan, but right here in America. See recent honor killing in Georgia. It’s by far the the first one in America. I would like to know how it is that OBama is so fond of Pakistan, a place where they frigging set women on fire. I would like to know why Barack Obama enjoys Pakistani money while deciding what he thinks a woman’s reproductive rights should be. Since he is so fixated on women’s rights and how to remove them, it is easy to see why he doesn’t address the murder of women by fathers and husbands who plead “not guilty” because it’s an Honor Killing and Has To Be Done.

    I want no part of this man.

    • believe

      He’s not fond of Pakistan. He’s said that terrorist camps in that country should be taken out by the US.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        For a guy who is not fond of Pakistan, he sure has no problem attracting its duel citizens to give him money.

        Get your head out of your ass. Or if you want to keep it up your ass, keep your ass out of my way. I hope your mother is Obama’s first target.

        • believe

          My mother? What are you talking about? She’s 81 and she will never vote for a man who doesn’t think women have the right to control their own bodies — John McCain.

          • WildChild

            if dear old Mom won’t vote for the maverick republican John McCain then why would she vote for BOBO: the george bush republican.

            • Dawnelle

              because she’s black?

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            Barack Obama is the most sexist misogynist pig I have seen run for office at the federal level in my entire not too short life. And since you are not a woman, you are typically cavalier. Why should you both recognizing what he is? No skin of YOUR pig nose, right? So now that I know you are of my generation and not a progressive, and don’t tell me you are….I can understand your nonchalant attitude towards women and their well-being.

          • HARP

            After having you, no wonder she is in favor of abortion.

          • Mad Vlad

            So, are you an example of a late-term abortion survivor?

            You offer, without doubt, the most superior reason yet
            as to why abortion MUST remain legal: YOURSELF.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          And by the way, I am all set in life, due to my own work and my own responsible investments with my own money…. but I would like to know how is it that you are on this board so often. Do you work or am I supporting you? Or are you one of those NIKEs who leech off your parents?

          • Lucinda

            I was wondering the same thing, Uppity.

          • HARP

            Since believe IS 50, then Mommy must have been 31 when she hatched him.

            • http://deleted imustprotest

              I want to know if believe has donated any money to this site? She is on this site every day and dominates every thread. Time for believe to pony up some money for the No Quarter site.

      • WildChild

        BOBO bombing Pakistan is just another George Bush gouge out of our constitution. You should support Hillary, The only true democrat in this race.

        • believe

          The way to support Hillary is to support the candidate she endorsed. His name is Barack Obama.

          • WildChild

            perhaps, but the way to support the democratic party and democracy is to support the only democrat in this race: Hillary Clinton

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            Horse crap. She’s been kneecapped, you pig. That’s just dandy for a guy like you, isn’t it?

          • Hope

            Barack Hussein Obama and where is is birth certificate again? You know, the original Certificate of Live Birth.

          • candymarl

            The way to support Democracy is to vote for whomever you wish. Not to follow the leader.

      • Tricia

        He went to Pakistan for spring break when most people his age went to Fort Lauderdale?

        • HARP

          HA…Not to many “girls gone wild in Pakistan”

          • mahaska

            Boys gone wild most likely.

    • Sprout

      If he had been born in Pakistan, he and his mother would have been killed after being deserted by his father. Maybe that’s why he had to go live with his white grandparents, his mom had to explain too much with him aroune.

    • Annie Oakley

      That major news organization that I won’t name had an article that it pulled. I happened to see a copy, and it names names. Now maybe because there are names and privacy issues that is why it isn’t available. All I know is that when the privileged frat boy from Hawaii came to the mainland to go to school, he consistently roomed with Pakistanis. He’s still friends with those same people, and they’re still here in business.

      I think this is key to seeing Barky for who he is is, and it explains his associates in Chicago and how he wasn’t really part of the poor African American community there, but only an organizer of those who exploited it. It also explains his unacceptable attitude toward women.

  • VMorris

    Have I told you lately what an ASSHAT Obama is???

    • Dawnelle

      lol do tell?

  • Educated, latte-drinking arugula-lover for Clinton

    The Illinois National Organization for Women pointedly refused to endorse Obama for President for the primary or for his 2004 Senate run in Illinois. They analyzed his reproductive rights voting record in Illinois and determined that his numerous “present” votes” on abortion rights legislation before the Illinois General Assembly were not all part of a strategy coordinated with Planned Parenthood, as Obama’s website states.

    • believe

      Planned Parenthood of Illinois says it was part of their strategy.

      BTW,Illinois NOW has endorsed Obama now.

      • WildChild

        was that before or after BOBO decided to become a george bush republican?

  • Alice Paul

    Why do people keep talking to this Believe blogger. I’ve seen his/her posts so often. If we don’t respond maybe it will go away.

    Believe you are not changing minds here. We have all pretty much decided that we are not voting for Obama.
    Some just haven’t decided what they will do in November.

    I was going to write Hillary in as a protest vote. Now I am so sure we have to keep Obama out I will vote for the first time in my 48 years for a Republican!

    Oh there I go responding to you, well that will be the last time.

    Isaiah 32:

    Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded,
    And the ears of those who hear will listen.
    The mind of the hasty will discern the truth,
    And the tongue of the stammerers will hasten to speak clearly.
    No longer will the fool be called noble,
    Or the rogue be spoken of as generous.
    For a fool speaks nonsense,
    And his heart inclines toward wickedness

    • Dawnelle

      maybe that is why “believe” is here

      to make SURE WE VOTE FOR MCCAIN!

      damn good job demon boy

      RISE HILLARY RISE!!

  • greg

    Believe likes to harass people. That’s why he comes here and tries to derail every thread.

    What is it about coming over here and harassing the commenters that aren’t devoted to your cult-like leader that gets you off, “believe”? Are you a sexual harasser, too, “believe”?

    • HARP

      “He had delusions of adequacy.”

      • Dawnelle

        OK I Now KNOW who “believe” reminds me of on the TV Talking heads MsnbO is this really annoying, big mouth, bug eyed AA chick named Tanya!!

        She goes ballistic daily! She’s a total ass kisser to the BO camp. Won’t HEAR any reality! Just won’t HEAR it and goes BUGGY when you say something bad about Barry.

        TANYA something! She’s my NEW favorite pundit to HATE!

    • believe

      Harass? As in writing things you disagree with and posting news stories with facts you prefer to overlook?

      • WildChild

        like BOBO flip flopping on public financing?

      • Lucinda

        Yeah, sounds like what the MSM did to Hillary, doesn’t it? I guess it hurts when the shoe is one the other foot.

        • believe

          The MSM claimed that Hillary harassed them? what are you talking about? I was responding to someone who characterized my posting facts and ideas as harassment.

          • http://deleted imustprotest

            believe you are nothing but a propaganda machine. Propaganda, over and over and over.

            Your goal is to soften us up. Give in so you’ll just shut up. Propagana, propaganda, slow..drip, drip..the slow torture of listening to believe’s propaganda until we say PLEASE JUST STOP!!! Propaganda, propaganda, over and over. Go away believe.

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    He has a HUGE track record of voting present.

    • believe

      “We worked on the ‘present’ vote strategy with Obama,” said Pam Sutherland, chief lobbyist for the Illinois branch of Planned Parenthood, an abortion rights group. “He was willing to vote ‘no’, and was always going to be a ‘no’ vote for us.”

      http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_aborti.html

      • WildChild

        That’s what BOBO said about Telecom immunity. (a prayer)Dear God, Please tell me that the democratic party wasn’t taken over by chumps.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Pig Obama He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship

        Pig Obama on a bill that would allow certain victims of sexual crimes to petition judges to seal court records relating to their cases.

        (Since you love Obama so much, may one of them move next to YOUR home, not mine)

        Pig Obama voted Present on an ANTI ABORTION bill.

        Ask Illinois Planned Parenthood how Obama refused to support their efforts to counteract Anti Abortion bills with counter bills.

        Barack Obama is full of shit. He makes decisions, including decisions that effect worthless women, based on what is best for Barack Obama’s future. he is the most vile of politicians. He doesn’t even give a shit who dies so long as he advances. That’s why he dodged the call for Boycott of the Olympic Games. What’s a few dead bodies when you can get the games in Chicago in 2016.

        Pig Obama is a Pig in a Poke and you can’t hide it. YOu want him? He’s all YOURS. OWN YOUR CANDIDATE and stop putting lipstick on this PIG. We women won’t tolerate it.

      • Steven Mather

        In his run for Illinois senate Obama said the Republican’s vote present so they do not have to stand up and take a position. His record after becoming an Illinois senator demonstrates that he was fully aware that he was hiding from taking a position.

        believe’s existence is a reason for advocating retroactive abortion laws, which cult-like believers armed with FISA and wartime conditions just might do.

        • Fred C. Dobbs

          When we get to the Detention Camps/Re-Education Centers, we will find thousands of fart-sniffers like “believe” working as guards, re-programmers, etc.

          It’s the sort of role which draws that variety of fool.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      I am planning a post on exactly how he dodged and weaved any legislation that helped women in Illinois. Barack Obama is the most damaging candidate to women I have seen in my entire not so short wife. Frankly, I am shocked that any woman with a brain and self-respect could support this manchild.

      • Dawnelle

        your not so short “wife”

        Freudian GF? ((snicker))

        Is the significant “other” on your mind?

      • educatedwhitewoman

        I look forward to that post, Uppity. I hope someone out there will also post on his use/misuse of the internet. I can’t believe that one of his campaign operatives, writing for the Washington Post, is now seeking to outlaw anonymous internet postings. On second thought, I can believe it: Obama will not tolerate any dissent! Perhaps its in the genes, or maybe those formative years living in Indonesia, or those college Spring breaks in Pakistan, or those campaign rallies in Kenya for cousin Odinga . . .

  • greg

    believe you are acting about 7 years old so “get off my lawn” is quite appropriate. also, believe, i think it’s time for your nap.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      >>> i think it’s time for your nap

      Yes, believe; DO close the door…and don’y forget your special sock for when you think about Obama.

  • greg

    you see believe, like his love-object Obama, is very fragile and he cannot tolerate any dissent. everyone must agree with believe and his love-object Obama, or he will harass them and become vindictive.

    that is why believe is here harassing us.

    • Dawnelle

      lol r u sure they’re not just a troll trying to keep us agitated??

      I can’t tell anymore.

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    It would be so much easyer if former Clinton supporters were just brainwashed cult followers like the obamazoids are. But we’re not, much to oBOMBalamadingdong’s sorrow. 46% of Clinton voters and 100% of Republican voters just say no to oBLMBalamadingdong. Hey skippy, I mean “believe” kinda looks like yer cult leaders got some problems don’t it?!

  • Clinton Fan

    Gee, so NOW that ass is the Democratic Bill Frist?

    He’s the DECIDER on late-term abortion? I guess Gretchen Voss isn’t “blue” enough to suit him.

    He probably thought poor Terri Schiavo was looking at that balloon, too, and he didn’t want to see those x-rays of that hole where her brain used to be….

    Spare me part-time adjunct lecturers of constitutional law who fancy themselves physicians. Spare me part-time state legislators who vote PRESENT on tough issues to avoid pissing off the fundy-crazy percentage of their constituency.

    Ralph Nader is an idiot, but he was right about Obama.

    • Dawnelle

      like a broken clock (that he is)

      he’s been right twice a day for a long while

      too bad his ego out weighs him 3 to 1.

      lol

      • C D Ward

        With a slim résumé like

        ▫ Clean Air Act
        ▫ Clean Water Act
        ▫ Consumer credit disclosure law
        ▫ Consumer Product Safety Act
        ▫ Co-Op Bank Bill
        ▫ Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act
        ▫ Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
        ▫ Freedom of Information Act
        ▫ Funeral home cost disclosure law
        ▫ Law establishing Environmental Protection Agency
        ▫ Medical Devices safety
        ▫ Mine Health and Safety Act
        ▫ Mobile home safety
        ▫ National Automobile and Highway Traffic Safety Act
        ▫ National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
        ▫ Natural Gas Pipeline Safety Act
        ▫ Nuclear power safety
        ▫ Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA)
        ▫ Pension protection law
        ▫ Safe Water Drinking Act
        ▫ Tire safety & grading disclosure law
        ▫ Whistleblower Protection Act
        ▫ Wholesome Meat Act
        ▫ Wholesome Poultry Product Act
        votenader.org/about/achievements

        over forty years, it simply must be all about ego.

        Luckily, we now have Democrats who’ll save us from such people.

    • mahaska

      I wonder if he thinks Andrea Yates was just blue.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Oh yeah……the man just came out in favor of capital punishment for child molestors! You think he’s liberal with crime and punishment?

        Lordy, no. He’s a throwback on that issue. McCain is far safer on those issues.

        Obama is a wacko, guys.

  • fred

    Time for Obama Supporters to do The Right Thing

    You no longer have to deal with daily confusion about your candidate. All of your speculation has been put to rest and all of your questions have been answered. Senator Obama has shown you exactly where he stands and that is with whomever and whatever can put him in the White House.

    This election to Barack Obama is not about:
    principles;
    advancing freedoms;
    defending the Constitution;
    bringing our troops home;
    health care;
    the economy;
    paying down the deficit or;
    balancing the budget.

    This is all about Barack and his chance to “play” President. Since he has become the presumptive Democrat nominee (by any means necessary), Barack has shown some disturbing patterns.
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    • believe

      Hillary Clinton disagrees with you.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        No she doesn’t. SHe’s just another victim of a Chicago Thug.

        • Dawnelle

          we have GOT to stop replying to this fktron

          maybe it will just fizzle out after awhile?

          unless he’s on a payroll we don’t know about?

          • Fred C. Dobbs

            Hope-a-Dope’s Internet War Room pays a shade better than Taco Bell.

            • Dawnelle

              Pahahahahha!

  • believe

    What Senator Clinton said today:

    She told the crowd of mostly, but not exclusively, women, that it was time to get over the frustrations of the primaries and pull together to put Mr. Obama in the White House. She spoke as much for herself as for the 17 million Americans who voted for her.

    “I know how difficult it is for someone who has invested their time, their money, their emotion, their entire being into any campaign, any cause,” she said. “It really is an extraordinary personal experience.”

    “When it is over I know how difficult that is,” she continued. “I have been in winning and losing campaigns or a very long time. I have been in primary campaigns here in our Democratic Party. I understand how challenging it is to turn on a dime, say O.K., close that chapter, and O.K., we’re on to the next chapter. It is a process and it does take time for people to take a deep breath and go forward.”

    She concluded, “Anyone who voted for me has so much in common with those who voted for Barack and it is critical that we join forces, because the Democratic Party is a family, sometimes a dysfunctional family, but it is a family and we care about what’s going to happen to the economy and health care and education and what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11obamacnd.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1215702174-q3P+6gKTrb59tBHC5ljOmA

    • HARP

      I can`t speak for everyone here,but I don`t much care anymore what Hillary says. My target is the whole DNC.

      • TeakWoodKite

        sometimes a dysfunctional family

        Agreed HARP, Senator Clinton is very subtle in her words.

        • Dawnelle

          yep! I love Hillary but I’m not a HILLBOT!

          She understands that. I don’t think her call to jump on board with Barry is strong or convincing. Considering I’ve watched her this whole time at each and every event.

          She can convince your socks off if she wants too! That’s why we love her! She’s the best most prepared!

          damn fools at the dnc and their egos

        • Annie Oakley

          Senator Clinton has such dignity and grace. We don’t even have to check the video to see if she had her middle finger pressed against her cheek or if she brushed off her shoulders when she said it.

          • Dawnelle

            Annie, she is a CLASS ACT!

            And Barky is Class Clown!

    • WildChild

      I think it’s great that Hillary Clinton is demonstrating that she isn’t the selfish “it’s all about me” type of politician that you BOBOweenies erroneously portrayed hwr as in the primaries. Given that and the fact that she is the only democratic left the race now that BOBO has embraced george bush republicanism, it’s that time for you to show us some of that intellectual honesty you been demanding of others and publicly switch your support to Hillary. This blog will do nicely as a forum for your conversion.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Yeah, well, up to a point. I am still OK with her showing up with him.

        But I’m nearing a point of loss of patience.

        He’s bailed on her debt. I don’t want to back a doormat.

        So she needs to watch her step here. I and others have kicked in on the debt. Obviously, Obama isn’t coming through. OK.

        But then I’m not willing to watch her grovel for him.

        This better end and it better end before the convention. She need not come out and blast him.

        But she needs to start having the flu on fundraiser nights, or I’m going to be irked.

        Fair is fair. He blew her off. I don’t want her to cater to him or Pelosi.

        Do the minimum. Go on vacation in Europe.

        And I wouldn’t mind a story or two from Germany and how they were entertained by the government in style, either. Meanwhile, let that idiot piss everyone off in Europe with his audacity.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Not being a woman, you wouldn’t bother noticing the reality of all this would you now?

      Why don’t you just get the hell out of here before this entire board asks somebody to kick your derailing ass out of here?

      This board does not belong to you so stop trying to Own it. We are sick of you and your shit and we are sick of you stopping our conversations with your Obama blowing horseshit. If one of us were on KOS we would be gone by now.

      • WildChild

        wouldn’t Horse blowing BOBOshit be a more appropriate expression given BOBO…is on the down low.

    • candymarl

      Hillary may say what she wishes. Unlike you Obama supporters we don’t do as we’re told.

      You sound like followers of some authoritarian regime. Your leader says to do this so as a loyal follower you must do this. That’s straight out of the old Soviet Union. Or the current repressive middle eastern regimes.

      Still not voting for Obama.

    • Lucinda

      She told the crowd of mostly, but not exclusively, women, that it was time to get over the frustrations of the primaries and pull together to put Mr. Obama in the White House.

      Her use of the expression “get over the frustrations” knowing how hated the expression “get over it” has become among her former supporters, tells me that there’s a much deeper meaning to be found between the lines here.
      At any rate, I am over it. I’ve been over it, and I moved on to support my second choice which was never Barack Obama.

    • mahaska

      Well she got it wrong. See, nobody is perfect.

  • Hillary the President

    Hello to all Hillary supporters,

    I just received an e-mail from Hillary below and ordered one T-shirt. Please visit the link and order yours! Thank you.

    “I have so many wonderful memories from the millions of people I met on the campaign trail. Over the past year and half, I have also collected a few cherished mementos. They are a reflection of the many ups and downs that we went through together and represent our many accomplishments.

    In May, Chelsea announced our “Project T-Shirt” contest, and I never imagined we would have such an outpouring of support and great designs. We received almost five thousand amazing entries, and more than 125,000 of you voted for your favorite design.

    While the primary race may be over, I think the winning t-shirt — and it won by a landslide — still makes a wonderful statement about everything you and I accomplished in this historic race and our determination to keep fighting for what we believe in.

    If you contribute $50 today you’ll get a t-shirt with the winning design and continue to help me pay down our campaign debt.

    Click here to make a contribution of $50 and receive one of our winning t-shirts.

    Denitza of Weehawken, New Jersey submitted the winning t-shirt. I’d like to thank Denitza and the thousands of others who put their time, talent, and efforts into all the great designs that were submitted.

    I know you’re as proud as I am of everything we achieved and I hope I can count on you to work with me on the issues that brought us together. By helping us pay down the debt from one of the hardest-fought races in Democratic primary history, you’re making a real difference today for all our future efforts.

    Plus, if you contribute $50, you’ll get one of our winning t-shirts. It’s a great statement about the spirit that drove our campaign, and I hope you’ll get one for yourself!

    Contribute $50 to help pay down our debt, and you’ll get a t-shirt with our winning design.

    Thank you for everything!

    Hillary Rodham Clinton”

    https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/tsland.html?sc=1983&utm_source=1983&utm_medium=e

    • Lee

      Just ordered mine! Thanks for posting the link here…

      Did you notice the “may”? As in “the primary MAY be over…”

      ha

  • NOBONO

    I want Obama to explain why this decision should have ANYTHING to do with any “Pastor.”

    I mean, WTF???

    • Annie Oakley

      For the same reason Barky thought the US Congress should stick its, um, nose into Terri Schiavo’s business. Barky not only wants to be president, he wants to be pastor-in-chief.

      I’ll see your WTF and raise you a &%$#@!!!!

  • believe

    I hate to admit it, but I am a little bit in love with Obama. You see, I don’t have much going on in my life, which is why this blog attracts me so much and why I have so much time to hang out here. But Barack gives me a purpose, a reason to go on. Hope, you might say.

    It doesn’t matter what he does or says, I can see into his heart and I know he is The One. So I’m sorry for coming here and trying to disrupt this site. But I can’t help it. I adore Barack, and I want you all to see how wonderful he is, too.

    He’s so dreamy.

    • HARP

      Fuck off!!!

    • MIDem

      common troll … not even interesting or entertaining
      just a boring common troll.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      LOL now that’s the believe I can BELIEVE in.

    • TeakWoodKite

      ewwwww!

    • wodiej

      you all, he is joking!! he/she is making fun of the real troll!

    • Lucinda

      RAOFLMAO!!

    • Helen S

      Believe,”he gives me a purpose” He probally gives you a pay check too.

    • ritamary

      That is so sad for you, believe. Why don’t you write to Dear Abby to see what she thinks about your unrequited love affair with BO? Is BO emailing Scarlett AND you?

      I was going to suggest adopting a dog, but that would be unfair to the dog.

  • Seattle Moss

    Once again Believe it’s not about Hillary anymore.
    I can’t vote for a party that has the same philosophy and machinations as totalitarian dictatorships that the United States was forced to fight in the last century.

    You can copy and paste all you want,

    Americans are realizing that Obama is a coward and the reason dictators want him is because he thinks like them and is a complete push over.

    I want a president that takes positions that are in the best interest of America and don’t rely on just opinion polls

    • helen

      I am glad I left the democratic party.
      Today’s democratic party is nothing like the party I believed in for years.
      I could never go back because if they dissed America by selecting this racist anti american know nothing once they could do it again.
      They no longer represent what is best for this country.
      Today’s democratic party is not to be trusted.

      COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

      PUMA RULES

  • Tricia

    Obama said on tape that a baby was a punishment to a teenage mom.

    Wait till the 527 run this

    • believe

      Why don’t you start one with a big donation?

  • Cooney

    “The gift of Fear”, and “Thin Slicing”, both excellent books informs their readers that we all have the ability to judge people and that our bodies viceral responses communicate the truth about a person, that we should listern to our viceral brain not our thinking brain. Obama engenders such viceral responses and we are the people who are listening to those messages. Those who discount such clear primortial messages are those who are likely to be harmed at the hands of persons who are disengenuous. My vicera is screaming at me that Obama is not what he appears to be, is harmful, and is something to fear. I will not override that viceral message for you “Believe”, or anyone else for that matter. I had the same response to Bush, but the response to Obama is much much stronger.

    • Alice Paul

      Amen! I prayed so long and hard to change my feelings about Bush and it never happened. The same about Obama. I started researching him so I could vote for him and only found reasons not to. My heart and soul scream out no. I live in Florida and have waited for eight long years for this election. I would have voted for a dead mackerel instead of a Republican. I wish the DNC had nominated a dead mackerel!

      Isaiah 32:

      Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded,
      And the ears of those who hear will listen.
      The mind of the hasty will discern the truth,
      And the tongue of the stammerers will hasten to speak clearly.
      No longer will the fool be called noble,
      Or the rogue be spoken of as generous.
      For a fool speaks nonsense,
      And his heart inclines toward wickedness

      • Dawnelle

        roflol @ dead fish!!!

        hahahaha ME TOO!!

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      You mean that there is a book which affirms my visceral reaction to Hope-a-Dope, to wit, that he is a sleazeball hustler; in effect, a mahogany Eddie Haskell with a Harvard J.D.?

      Damn! There IS a god!

      And, She ain’t pissed at me today!

    • tavyprof

      Thank you Cooney for clarifying for me why I just hate the guy so much. It is visceral and I have to wonder at the gap between people with my reaction — I can’t stand him! — and those who are in love.

    • mahaska

      The gift of fear is a very good book on the mark. I gave it to my daughters. It tells you that you should obey your instincts. From the minute I saw bo, alarm bells went off. I didn’t know who he was then, but still did not trust him. Now I know what he is and see that I was right in my distrust.

  • MIDem

    Obama will bring sharia law to the United States.
    He does not love this country or respect democratic values.

    I may not like the Republican platform,
    but I have no doubt that McCain LOVES America,
    as does Clinton.

    Obama loves only himself. Primabama.

    Country before party.

    • wowzers
      • educatedwhitewoman

        Thanks for the link – here’s a wonderful post from that site. Obama’s attempts to use race and class to divide and conquer (learned at the feet of a master, Rev. Wright) will set back race relations and womens’ rights for years:

        Virginia Ray says:

        And while all those leftist women were warning us about the horror of middle class white women and how they were really oppressing us ad nauseum; those middle class women were risking their hard won jobs to help us working and welfare women.

        I remember an upper middle class women who drove to a bad part of town at 10 pm one night in 1971 because I had just got women’s liberation and needed to talk to someone. I remember middle class white women who had jobs as supervisors of govt programs that got me and my friends on programs that lifted us out of poverty and allowed us the ability to organize. I remember women reporters that made sure our events were covered and gave us the voice that did not always come naturally. I reached out to black women where I could and suffered their anger gladly so that we could help one another.

        We reached across class and race lines as best we could, where we could. Just as white people had done during the civil rights movement. And that is the way movements happen as opposed to cliques.

        People understand the oppression of other people and how it relates to their own oppression and believe that the rising of one, means all rise.

        We used to say women are a caste more than they are divided by class or race. This was to teach our selves to do that reaching across lines drawn by men and our own ambition.

        Yet we also believed it was good for sectors of the oppressed to meet together without “the other” in all black, all women or all lesbian groups so they could find their own voice and just experience a world of their own for wisdom’s sake, not as an end but as part of a healing process. To experience a world without the enemy or what is seen as the enemy so that the internalization of the enemy could be viewed and exorcised (not that it actually was exorcised).

        It is important not to confuse that kind of movement with the cult of personality that is now being created around BO to defeat a woman of substance and record. I think big money has learned how to create the illusion of a popular movement. They started with the Harry and Louise anti Medical care ads and the marketing of the entertainment icons and they have reached perfection in the BO campaign. It is very likely we are going to get a pro nuclear industry, anti Israel, pro Arabist president from this mass marketing campaign. What will this mean for the rights of women, locally and globally?

        One thing I am proud of as a feminist this time around. Real feminists blogs such as, RL here and E of Snakes and I blame the Patriarchy and Tenn Guerrilla Women and Men for Hillary, have exposed the misogyny and women hatred at work in this country with brilliant feminist analysis. If critical thinking can save us, we will prevail because of people such as these.

        February 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm EST

        • Steven Mather

          Great post. Thank you.

      • Annie Oakley

        Dr. Violet Socks is fabulous.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Pat well done! Thanks!

  • Seattle Moss

    Believe
    You continue to lie about the number of states your messiah won. You claim two thirds
    Here are the results of the states
    Hullary 22
    Obama 28
    That is hardly two thirds idiot!
    I suggest you stop copying and pasting
    Below are the states which Hillary won which includes 9of the 10 biggest states and the vast majority and electoral votes for the GE
    California
    New York
    Texas
    Michigan
    Florida
    Ohio
    Pennsylvania
    New Mexico
    New Jersey
    Massachusets
    Oklahoma
    Arizona
    Tennesee
    Arkansas
    Rhode Island
    Nevada
    New Hampshire
    South Dakota
    Puerto Rico
    Kentucky
    West Virginia
    Indiana

    • wodiej

      And I don’t really care how many states he won, I care how many VOTES HE GOT.

    • Cooney

      Seattle: The truth is irrelevant with Obamabots, that you believe and follow is their only truth, just like their leader.

    • believe

      PR isn’t a state. MI and FL weren’t real contests – they’d never be certified as free and fair under international law.

      And the race was for delegates.

      Didn’t Mark Penn read the rules beforehand? An 8 year old knows to do that.

      • WildChild

        MI and FL were real to the real poeple that cast real votes in them. There’s noting more real then real when your really voting.

      • Mad Vlad

        Who cares about what Brussels has to say in this matter?

        Waddle back to Gaza!

      • Seattle Moss

        Believe

        Open your ears and listen to the dissatisfaction with your party and selected nominee.

        You try to spin everything but in the end you seem like an empty vessel.

        Have you learned anything about Foreign Policy since the last time I blew you out of the water?

  • believe

    I know he’s a sexist. I know he’s never held down a full time job. I know he kicked that poor, sweet woman Alice Palmer off the ballot in Chicago. I know he hung out with Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and Donnie McClurkin and James Meeks. I know his position on abortion sucks, I know that he caved on FISA, and that he supports Scalia and Thomas on the death penalty and gun control.

    I know he won by stealing Hillary’s delegates and by manipulating caucuses in red states that he will never win in November. I know his wife doesn’t like white people. I know he threw his granny under the bus in his speech on race. I know he calls women “sweetie” and listens to that “99 bitches” song, and pays the few women on his campaign thousands of dollars less than he pays the men.

    But admit it: wouldn’t it be cool to have a hip, young black guy as president? Isn’t that the most important thing for this country right now? He, like, reminds me of a black JFK, and Hillary doesn’t look like JFK at all. And I want me a JFK!

    I don’t know why you people don’t like my boyfriend Barack. Cause he’s real cool.

    • HARP

      A half-wit gave you a piece of his mind, and you held on to it.

      • Mad Vlad

        Why wouldn’t he? As a result, he has something to occupy space in that
        dead zone btw/ the ears!

      • http://redhotandbluepolitics.com grlpatriot

        LOL.

    • wodiej

      LOL…actually that’s about right!!

    • Cooney

      And this is what the precious wants you to believe “Believe”. What a sad thing to be such a follower.

    • Alice Paul

      I hate to say it but I think someone is using believes user name. Not even he is this disturbed!

    • believe

      Ah, faux believe. You are so droll.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      >>> He, like, reminds me of a black JFK,

      Lacking, of course, the intellectual rigor, leadership experience in the Navy, time in the Congress, manners, sense of History, etc.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      lol*….you must be a clone of believe. This is actually funny.

    • Lucinda

      LOL! A lot of truth is spoken in jest.

    • mahaska

      He isn’t black you idiot.

  • wowzers

    What I would like to knoe is WHERE IS NOW????

    I wrote to them over three weeks ago to ask who they are endorsing for pres with no word back.

    I guess they are ok with all of this.

    And we all know abortion is the ONLY issue they will pipe up about.

  • believe

    has anyone here tried Obama’s shit? I like it very much. It is real tasty. I like to have some of that before I get in bed with my 81 yr old mamma.

    • wodiej

      OMG…ROTFLMAO…been wondering where you were today…

    • HARP

      Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion?

      • believe

        It’s that faux believe demonstrating great maturity.

        • wodiej

          childlike behavior and responses require simplistic responses that are easy to understand

      • TeakWoodKite

        HARP; poow wittle believe is not herself today, kinda feelin blue. :)

  • wowzers

    What I would like to know is WHERE IS NOW????

    I wrote to them over three weeks ago to ask who they are endorsing for pres with no word back.

    I guess they are ok with all of this.

    And we all know abortion is the ONLY issue they will pipe up about.

  • Postmaster

    We know McCain’s stance on pro-life, he has not WAVERED, so what’s your point Believe? Has McCain switched positions on this over the years or in the last few months just to ingratiate himself with the voters? The answer is NO. He is pro-life, period, and will not go against his beliefs. Don’t you wish Obama had as much character?

    • believe

      I don’t want a president who is 100% anti-choice when I can have one with a lifetime rating of 100% pro-choice.

      • believes brain’s argues with it self

        Yes he is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes he is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes he is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes he is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes he is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes he is!
        No he’s sNOT!

        That is not the abortion I knew!

        Yes it is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes it is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes it is!
        No he’s sNOT!
        Yes it is!
        No he’s sNOT!

      • WildChild

        Why do you think we support democratic candidate Hillary Clinton over BOBO: the george bush republican?

  • MrMike

    When all the dirt on Tony Rezko started to come out I thought that Obama was above it all. Lately, with his pandering to any group that has a vote, I’m beginning to wonder.

  • salt

    Ok it’s time for Hillary to stop stumping with this guy, and NARAL abandon the organization withdrawal all support, Obama is offensive on so many levels but his ignorance and use of stereo types against women is past the pail, I would go as far as judging him biased, and guess what sweetie the only time I’m feeling Blue is when I read his your STUPID statements and cringe as I do, just as I have when I hear the red Party Puppet Bush.

    Democrats have failed this country mightily by nominating this arrogant ignorant but educated ARSE.

    • believe

      Why don’t you write to them and ask them to do that?

      • WildChild

        It won’t be necessary after you BOBOweeies switch your support to the real democratic candidate: Hillary Clinton

  • believe

    Why don’t you?

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    Ask Illinois NOW why they refused to endorse Obama.

    “When we needed someone to take a stand, Obama took a pass”.

    Gee, that doesn’t sound familiar does it?

  • believe

    :::BRUSHING THE CRAP OFF MY SHOULDERS:::

    :::SCRAPING THE CRAP FROM MY SHOES:::

    :::GIVING THE FINGER WHILE PRETENDING TO SCRATCH MY FACE:::

    Yes, let’s talk about Barack Obama and maturity, shall we?

  • believe

    And don’t nobody SNUB me. We only like mature politicians around here.

  • gotalife

    “Salon’s Walsh: Huffington, Markos
    misled readers about Obama:

    “He was never the great progressive savior that his fans either thought he was, or Arianna Huffington and Markos Moulitsas peddled to their readers,” says Salon’s Joan Walsh.
    >> Supporters become disillusioned after Obama’s
    turn toward the right”

    He is more to the right than McCain.

    Punked.

  • Asior

    Obama doesn’t deserve to be Prez. He’s a SEXIST garbage.

  • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Medusa

    Great cartoon and post, Pat.

    I think you should draw a cartoon with Backtrack Obama in bed with George W. Bush, for bedfellows they are.

    Backtracking is BO’s way….what a sham.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I personally think McCain is safer on women’s issues than Obama. Obama’s superficial approach is alarming, and he simply doesn’t think things through. McCain is not particularly interested in this issue. I don’t think it will be on his radar much if he’s balanced by a Dem. congress.

    • http://redhotandbluepolitics.com grlpatriot

      It seems odd doesn’t it to think a Democrat cannot be trusted on this issue, but Obama cannot. I’m going to have to agree with you about McCain.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Well, if we get some real Democrats in Congress, McCain will have the perfect situation to go back to his ever-so-comfortable moderate place. He’ll not bother trying to push through arch-conservative judges with bad records. They won’t get through. He won’t fight congress on health care reforms, either. He might not promote it, but we don’t need him for that. We just need him to hold the place for 4 years.

        Obama is a loose cannon. No telling what he’d do. He might put someone in who loves his faith-based initiatives. I so agree with Jesse Jackson that Obama is off the wall there. *blech*

        His comment about mental distress and abortion is the first example of just why I’m opposed to that type of initiative. It’s fuzzy-wuzzy and leads to huge problems.

  • D Johnson

    “Believe’s” comments are straight from a desperate housewives program. “He’s so hot.” He gives me a hardon.” What the hell does that have to do with running a country? You vote for the person who gives you the biggest boner? This idiot should take his sexual desires to the privacy of his bathroom and leave serious political discussion to people who are grown up enough to control themselves. If he’s a paid blog hack, than O should be demanding a refund.

    • clik212

      Folks believe is just pulling our chains. Let the poor bastard be. He’s getting off on all our attention and hate for him.

      He isn’t worth it.

  • Katmoon

    The draft age o supporters believe because he have a speech against the war(not a vote) he won’t support a draft, thus they are “safe”.

    • Katmoon

      I meant “gave”, not have

  • Samuel Copeland

    The problem with us Hillary supporters — male and female — is that we have periodic emotional outbursts.

    It’s all hormonal too. I know it couldn’t be anything environmental such as me getting angry at a choice between a war hawk and a manipulative, ego-maniac liar — neither of whom know a damn thing about the economy — for president because the DNC has bestowed on us the blessing and privilege of voting for the Messiah.

    Great cartoon, by the way.

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      This whole mess has left me more than emotional, I’m downright primal.

  • JohnnyB

    Another Great Cartoon, Pat.

    I think that Ob has no clue to what a woman goes through when facing this decision. That scares me.

    Also, your cartoon could also be interpreted as Hillary in the bed, and all of us feeling BLUE.
    There’s no way to get over this. Hillary won more votes than Ob (like Al Gore over W), but because of Michigan (Ob getting the Uncommitted votes, which is ILLEGAL), and also getting 4 of Hillary’s delegates given to him by the DNC), and then getting Florida’s delegates when he should be Sanctioned for advertising in the state and get NO Delegates, Ob is deemed our nominee even before he has the necessary pledged delegate total needed to be the nominee. The DNC cuts the delegates to 1/2 vote each. Is there no shame?

    Yes, we are BLUE. Ob’s position on trimester abortion is another slap at women.

  • Annie Oakley

    Thanks, Pat Racimora. That’s a great cartoon, and on such a hot topic. The X’d out eyes on the blue patient just get me. This really makes me mad, but at the same time your ‘toon really makes me laugh. Well done.

  • Rich

    Great cartoon Pat. It says it all. I can not imagine any women thinking in regards to a late term abortion, I am feeling blue so should I go shopping or get a late term abortion. I can not believe that a doctor would let a women undergo this complicated procedure just because she is feeling a little blue.

    As a man, this is what I understand and I am not even running for an office.

    Thank you to everyone for having dialogue that is staying on the subject.

    Rich

  • Lucille Arneson

    Is there anyone who can honestly say he knows what Obama stands for on any issue whatsoever?

    I suppose with a law degree, he’s qualified to tell women to consult with him about their issues regarding choice. Then I wonder, if he passed the bar. He’s never practiced law.

    He must have a sore neck the way he has to repeatedly turn his head from left to right and right to left in order to stand with whomsoever he’s talking to at any given moment.

    Great qualities for a presumptive nominee for president!

  • Cooney

    Believe I did write NARAL & NOW, read all about your flip-flopping pandering putz:

    Did Obama ever stop to think that maybe a mentally ill woman does not get an early abortion simply due to the fact she is mentally ill. The statement by Obama,”Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term.” is the most uninformed blatantly prejudicial statement about mental illness and abortion I have ever heard. He is an ignorant biased pig.

    Signature Ommitted

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    If this clown actually gets elected, I am going to set up several new sub-S corporations in Nevada with names like: “James Earl Ray Marksmanship Institute”, “Lorraine Lodging Corporation”, “Nathan Bedford Forrest Memorial Committee for Race Relations”, and as many other nasty, racist-sounding (But QUITE legal) names as I can afford at $130/whack.

    I once respected Sam Nunn, but Fuck Him, too, now.

    All these people want to make Race an issue?

    Oh, my…let’s start real soon.

  • memi

    So, Obama thinks “Mental Distress does not qualify as serious health issue for women”? Is this the way he thinks he’s going to get women voters?

    Too bad this moronic misogynist was born 4 years before the birth control pill became legal in the U.S. in 1965! Teenage mothers like his own were not aware of the ‘risks’ and “serious health issues” that take many forms….one of them was named BARRY SOETORO and became Barack Hussein Obama in search of a convenient opportunistic self…

    What could bring more mental distress to this country than having this aborted intelligence as presidential material? Cousin Odinga in Kenya received from Barry thousands of dollars in campaign funds to support his SHARIA LAW initiatives…well….burqas for american women if this Identity-challenged male gets to the white house..god, Jehova, and allah help us all…and call in Zeus for good measure!

  • paraskeve

    Gee, please Rev. Jackson, do you think you can schedule your recommended therapeutic surgery on Obama before November? Before he throws you under the bus….

  • Xeroxed

    Please someone respond to my queery:

    Is Obama’s flippantly petulant usage of the English language a result of his trying to be hip/cool rapper-wannabe kind of guy “dusting” off stuff from his shoulders, using lax, monosyllabic terminology…or is it the result of his truly being statteringly incapable of uttering a polysyllabic phrase without a teleprompter? I don’t know…I find he’s very awkward and wonder why he’s been lauded for being such a good speechifier! His words sound hollow and somehow he looks incapable of expressing a full thought, searches for the right word arduously and generally does not impress me with his mediocre linguistic skills.
    He had very mediocre marks throughout highschool and university.

    Barry attend Law School on an Affirmative Action Program or a Mature Student Scholarship? I wonder if anyone knows how he entered Law School as he was in his early thirties….Sure, he’s a reader, but I’ve seen readers…and Barry pales beside an Italian frirend of mine for whom english is his second language! Sure, Barry was a reader….but, really, what’s so special about him–OTHER than his deep baritone voice that does carry in an auditorium. But he cannot do the “dialogue” part…He seems uncomfortable with people, gays, especially women (I think he is not so much a sexist as he is afraid of disclosing his gayness or bi-sexuality, as all Chicago knows when the gay Choir master at Trinity was murdered last December!)

  • birth control!

    BARRY’S MAMA MUST HAVE BEEN VERY BLUE. THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL CAME OUT IN 1965, 4 YEARS AFTER THE 17=YEAR OLD MOTHER GAVE BIRTH….NOW, GUESS WHO’S BLUE….THE WHOLE COUNTRY…

  • Barry’s Mental Health

    OBAMA IS THE MOST MISOGYNISTIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY!

    DIMINISHING AND DEGRADING WOMEN (like his campaign did Hillary throughout) IS HIS SPECIALTY!

    “FEELING BLUE”? does this Imbecile know what the hell he’s talking about.

    He shoudl shut his mouth up when discussing Women’s Health! He’s ignorant and viciously flippant! What an abortive male fetus he must have been….

  • sue

    Barrack’s only defending his own mother’s mental health issues as “just a case of the blues”. If they had been treated in Hawaii back in ’61, she would have been given the chance to deny this great gift god sent her way….and we could have been spared this farce of a man…

  • Dr. Jess.

    JESSE JACKSON:

    WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PERFORM THE SURGERY YOU PROMISED ON OBAMA? we’re eagerly awaiting in the reception area…

    OR HAS IT ALREADY BEEN DONE…..we thought so!

  • lady di

    Hey, Bozo Barrack:

    Why don’t you stay out of Women’s affairs? We don’t want sexist morons like you speecifying your ignorance and making laws over our bodies…Go to Kenya and check up on cousin Odinga to whom you donated 50,000 for his Sharia law campaign!

    Shame on you Barack! Stop bashing women’s helath issues! Join the Republicans. You belong there with them!

  • Don S

    Pat, I think your outstanding cartoon and detailed commentary attests to how seriously you view BO’s dismissive and deprecating, flippant and confused position is on late term abortion. The man clearly goes off half-cocked when attempting to deal with serious issues. So it is no wonder that he has to backtrack and try to explain what he meant to say. He usually does this after he sees his spontaneous off-thecuff comments have just gotten himself in a mess of trouble. Or after his support crew has just pointed out that he has just alienated a large segment of the people hoped to gain support from. He changes positions as easily as a chameleon changes colors to blend with its surroundings. Worse, he doesn’t seem to be aware of it until it is brought abruptly to his attention. Not only has he offended a large segment of potential female voters by his inability to empathize with what they go through when facing an abortion decision, he makes it clear that he is a total failure when it comes to leadership. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. It is clear from the many comments disparaging BO and his flip-flopping, that this man is more like an itinerant faith healer who sways audiences with an emotional appeal to their hopes for a miracle. Unfortunately, there seems to be little substance under the illusion. I think his bubble is about to burst.