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Margins of Error: Obama’s Shrinking Map

No Quarter published two fascinating posts on Tuesday about the current state of the race between McCain and Obama. Taken together, these two pieces of analysis convey ominous news for Obama.

The first post, Obama’s Flawed Race Strategy: Why the Black Vote Won’t Be Enough by iam0nly1, argues convincingly that Obama’s weakness in the Rust Belt cannot be offset by African American voters in the South:

Obama’s entire claim to redrawing the political map is based on his perceived ability to win in Southern states precisely because of African American voters. After all, this is why Hillary’s claim that she alone was capable of winning large swing states that Democrats must win, such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, went unnoticed and unheeded by Dean, Pelosi and others. However, this is a severe and dangerous gamble.

Obama is in serious trouble in Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and, particularly, Florida. Consequently, he’s trying to expand into traditional red states, especially Virginia and Georgia in the South, and the Rocky Mountain West region.

The second post, by Charles Lemos, is a video and PowerPoint presentation by renowned pollster Douglas Schoen. On the surface, it seems to be good news for Obama. He now leads McCain, the country wants change, and a generic Democrat beats a generic Republican:

Lemos is correct that Schoen’s analysis is a snapshot of the current situation:

I think the presentation is accurate as of right now. In politics, nothing is static. Events happen but of as right now, Obama is leading and Schoen’s presentation, I think, offers reasons why.

Many commentators have referenced Michael Dukaksis’ infamous 17 point lead over George H. W. Bush in 1988 as a cautionary warning to Obama. Beware, the argument goes, summer’s highs can evaporate in the fall after the withering attacks by the Republicans.

All of this has me thinking about a more recent election. In 2004, my preferred candidate did win the Democratic nomination — and there was real unity in our Party. Iraq was spinning out of control, Americans felt shame about the horrific pictures coming out of Abu Ghraib prison, and the Democrats were about to nominate a genuine war hero. Looking up Democracy Corps’ polling analysis from July 22, 2004, I found that Obama’s situation is strikingly similar (if slightly weaker) compared to where John Kerry was at the same time. Karl Agne, writing for Democracy Corps, sounded even more optimistic about Democratic chances than does Schoen today:

The Kerry-Edwards ticket heads to the Democratic Convention in Boston with a great deal of momentum behind them. In a race that has been surprisingly stable and evenly divided since Kerry truly emerged as the nominee in March – characterized by small swings in either direction usually predicated by events in Iraq and in the nation’s economy – Kerry and Edwards are enjoying an undeniable shift in voter attitudes. Kerry leads Bush in every national poll released this month, reaching 50 percent in the last two surveys of likely voters.

~snip~

Virtually every poll released in the last couple weeks shows Kerry making tremendous gains in these individual states. In fact, Kerry now leads in the most recent poll in every state won by Gore in 2000 and is either winning or within the margin of error in all 11 battleground states won by Bush. In making such strong gains at this stage, Kerry has put himself in an enviable position and can now use the unparalleled exposure of the Democratic Convention to solidify these gains, reinforcing his already strong support in the Democratic base and reaching out to even more Independents and newly engaged voters.

Besides the fluctuations of polls, what’s interesting about the above statement is the reference to the battleground states. Because of our Electoral College system, national polls (as cited by Schoen) can only tell you so much, and this is where the news becomes ominous for Obama. Unless he has a huge national lead in the fall, Obama will likely be fighting for the same swing states for which Kerry fought. iam0nly1 argues that African Americans are unlikely to increase their numbers sufficiently to carry Obama in Southern states. With the South off the table, Obama will also be disadvantaged in the Rust Belt and Florida, and he will be fighting for the Rocky Mountain West:

[Obama's team] discuss the Rocky Mountain states of Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado, but frankly, even if he wins those three, and Michigan, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire (all three of which will be highly competitive), if he loses Ohio and Florida, he will lose the election 267-271 (this count includes all the states Kerry won). In short, if Obama loses Ohio and Florida, the three Rocky Mountain states and Georgia and Virginia become must win states.

In short, Obama’s minuscule national lead today — prior to the expected Republican assault — will show Obama to be a map-changer, but not in the direction he hopes.

  • hillarysmygirl

    That’s why it’s not too late, Superdelegates!

    • stateofdisbelief

      “We cannot win with eggheads and AA” – Paul Begala

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=l-2ZG60iDRs

      You called it my friend. So much for Donna Brazzeeele and her “new democratic coalition.”

      • Steven Mather

        Good link. Well worth watching, if only to see DB squirm.

      • hank48188

        It was DONNA BRAZILES plan to win year with the help of the Religious voters, DONNA and the rest of the DNC backed Obama because they thought he could get those votes, guess they should have looked at Rev. Wright and Father Mike first. READ THIS, Written by DONNA BRAZILE NOV. 5, 2004, it’s called “WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS” How To Tap Into The Obama Factor. http://www.slate.com/id/2109328

        • JoseyJ

          from the article by Donna Brazile –

          >>>In this coming season, Democrats must resist going back to using terms like affirmative action, pro choice, union, and “the movement” to describe what we’re for. These words are limited and often open to negative interpretation from the right. But once we agree on a shared vision to connect our progressive social values of faith, family, hard work, loyalty, opportunity, security, and prosperity for all, we will soar again.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          She needs to write on entitled Why Half the Democrats Hate Donna Brazile.

          • Nicole

            I think it’s more than half.

          • mr. natural

            Good line.

  • John

    It basically comes down to PA and OH. If McCain turns around those states he probably wins.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    “Many commentators have referenced Michael Dukaksis’ infamous 17 point lead over George H. W. Bush in 1988″

    McCain ain’t running on Reagan’s record. McCain wasn’t a Vice President. Iraq isn’t Grenada. Democrats haven’t run congress for decades as they did back in 1988. Obama has gobs more money than Dukakis. Obama is a better candidate and better positioned politically than Dukakis ever was. And Obama owns McCain in visibilty, press coverage, GOTV operation, fundraising, voter enthusiasm, and media management.

    Every major variable is different than it was back in 1988. But, please, don’t let that stop you from making the comparison..

    • Tricia

      They have not even vetted the Real Obama which starts August 29

      • stateofdisbelief

        Yep…Bambi is getting the velvet glove for now. On 8/29, the full arsenal comes out.

        • ummm

          Sure. 8/29.

          “The way to continue our fight now is to take our passion our energy our strength and to do all we can to elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States.”

          - Hillary Clinton

          “Eff you Hillary”

          - NoQuarter

          • stateofdisbelief

            ummm…

            Eff you.

            Have a nice day.

            • stateofdisbelief

              OH… and

              KMA!

            • ummm

              “Now when I started this race, I intended to win back the White House, and make sure we have a president who puts our country back on the path to peace, prosperity, and progress. And that’s exactly what we’re going to do by ensuring that Barack Obama walks through the doors of the Oval Office on January 20, 2009.”

              - Hillary Clinton

              “We voted for Bush twice”

              - NoQuarter

              • stateofdisbelief

                ummm…just like your hero obobobambi. Parroting the words of the REAL Democratic nominee as a strategy for scoring points.

                Is that in chapter one or two of the obamobot training manual?

                • ummm

                  “but I’m going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me … understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama,”

                  - Hillary Clinton

                  “We never believed in her marxist beliefs anyway”

                  -NoQuarter

                  • stateofdisbelief

                    ummm…you’ve soiled your underoos. Please go home to have your mommy change them. You’re starting to make it stink in here.

                    In the meantime, 3 t-shirts and 3 – $50.00 donations are on their way to pay down the remaining portion of Hillary’s debt.

                    GFY Ahole

                    • ummm

                      “Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been. We have to work together for what still can be. And that is why I will work my heart out to make sure that Senator Obama is our next President and I hope and pray that all of you will join me in that effort.”

                      - Hillary Clinton

                      “Not Democrats. Not feminists. Not rational.”

                      -NoQuarter

                    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

                      Go slam your dick in a door.

                    • Ted

                      Hilarious thread. I love the NQ responses. This encapsulates this site perfectly.

                      As for the polls, at least on this issue time will prove one side correct and the other incorrect. Being ahead in the polls in July isn’t worth too much, but one thing it is worth more is being behind in July.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Actually your wrong.
                      They are almost even at this point.
                      McCain being the underdog at this point is much better as people will rally to his cause.
                      People will also go out of there way to make it happen.

                      Front runners at this stage usually get all the bombardment of negatives which have an effect over time.

                    • Ted

                      Actually, you’re contradicting yourself. First you say they are almost even (the reality is, according to consolidated polling, Obama is 4.6% ahead in a head-to-head, 5.2% ahead in four person race) then you say McCain has an advantage becaue he is behind, and Obama has disadvantage becasue he is ahead.

                      So which is it? Is there an underdog and a frontrunner, or are they almost even?

                  • NoBama

                    ummm why don’t u go f***k urself next.

          • Hope Floats

            Obama said “Eff you, Hillary” with his middle finger.

          • no waffles aka drkate

            lame.

    • osbama

      And Obama has more skeletons in his closet. When they come out you will need a new job.

    • Steven Mather

      umm is giddy because Obama voted yes on FISA. In 2009, umm looks forward to spying on us and catching us committing speechcrimes against Big Brother Barack.

      • Hope

        Unless the Repubs use it on Obambi and his Merry Men of crooks first.

        • Teakwood

          They have, Hope.

      • Patti

        He needs to spy on Larry Sinclair, Peter Fitzgerald and his so called Grandmother who poured everything he she had in”raising” Him (I bow my head in reverence) and is holed up in the same apartment in Hawaii.

        Where is Granny? And why is he hiding her?

        • Park Slope Pubby

          I keep wondering that too. I noticed when he referred to his grandmother “somewhere in Hawaii”. apparently he doesn’t know precisely where

          Obviously they are not close. My take on it is that she knows he is a pathological narcissist, and but she is loyal enough (family ties) to keep her mouth shut. If she had any good feelings about him, she’d be all over the campaign. Imagine his white grandmother campaigning for him. Total winner. And she won’t do it, and he won’t ever go into details about her. WHY? And why doesn’t the MSM investigate? Aren’t there any enterprising reporters out there who haven’t drunk the Kool-aid?

        • methinks

          Yes, where is THE GRANDMOTHER?

          Has she ANYTHING to say at all about BHO BHO?

          Why is she hidden??? Inquiring minds want to know.

      • believe

        And what was McCain’s position?

        • Ted

          That doesn’t matter. Stop trying to bring up issues.

          • Nicole

            What, Teddy and non-faux-believe, does McCain have to do with Obama’s granny? Please, stay on point.

            • Ted

              Follow the comment thread indicator and you will see these comments are in response to a FISA comment. Hope that helps.

        • Hope Floats

          McCain’s mother is a riot, though. She was in France and tried renting a car. They told her she was too old, so she bought a car instead. They’re obviously very close, and McCain is very sweet to her. He enjoys her feisty kidding.

          • Seattle Moss

            Shows me that the McCain’s have good genes.
            I think she is 95 or something

            Makes McCain look like a kid

          • csuzeq

            McCain’s mother is in her 90′s and she is so proud of her son that she did a commercial for him for Mother’s day.

            But no Obother Grandmum. Does he really have a white Grandmother??? Maybe he was adopted or stolen at birth!

    • Hope

      And Dukakis wasn’t the immoral,Anti American, back-tracking crook we know Obama is. How much did your messiah spend so far in a year a Republican couldn’t possibly win to have less of a lead than nearly every other Dem at this point?
      Have you noticed he’s already spending tons on airtime to promote accomplishments he never made like, wlefare reform, and helping veterans.
      He’s a liar, and you are a fool.

      • Andrew

        Fundraising is bad too. The Repubs have twice as much money. The DNC is spending money like water. $3 mil for the move to the oversized stadium.

      • believe

        Actually McCain ran more ads in June that Obama. You really need to get off NQ sometime and read some real news.

        • believe

          On the McCain conference call about the combined $94 million he and the RNC have in cash on hand, campaign manager Rick Davis claimed that they were outspending the Obama team by a large margin.

          “We have spent up until last week probably over $10 million more than Obama has in the last two months on television advertising,” Davis said, adding: “From April to this point, we’ve spent almost three times the amount of TV spending that Obama has.”

          http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/mccain_adviser_were_outspendin.php

    • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

      If I remember correctly, there were places where Hillary Clinton was outspent 4 to 1, even 5 to one, and she still won. So much about money.
      Duh

      • stateofdisbelief

        I heard Backtrack Odumbo ended in the red this month. So much for his fundraising prowess. bwahaahahahahah. I guess those paid bloggers will be getting their pink slips as the Obama camp “right-sizes”

        • Patti

          All the bundlers are maxed out. There are only 300 million people in the USA. Looks like everybody is maxed out.

          • methinks

            So BHO BHO will just have to get his bucks again from out of the country.

            http://groups.google.com/group/rec.martial-arts/msg/7e603b4929b2d98c

            “OBAMA’S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING”

            “Then, about two months into the campaign the daily contribution intake
            multiplied. Where was it coming from? One of the web site security
            monitors began to notice the bulk of the contributions were clearly coming
            in from overseas internet service providers and at the rate and frequency of
            transmission it was clear these donations were “programmed” by a very
            sophisticated user.”

        • believe

          Is this like LJ “hearing” about a tape?

        • J. J..

          I hope not. I would miss “Believe”.

          • Grail Guardian

            I’m willing to suffer without her.

    • Bud White

      Read the article….I compared today to 2004.

    • chezmadame

      The republicans have 95 million to spend. Duh duh duh Dean and duh duh duh Donna have what? 3 million on hand? Waffles spends much more money than he takes in and loses anyway.

      He’s going to have to hire some big name talent to fill that stadium. (I don’t think the Decembrists are planning any more free concerts political rallies.)

      O’Bambi is starting to look desperate. He even pimped out allowed his daughters to be interviewed this week on a cheesy tabloid show. (Offended? I thought it was no big deal to use that term. Hey, I’m just hip like you!)

      The bloggers are seeing the light and the MSM will follow like the lemmings that they are. (Olberboyy might hold on. It would be too big a blow to his monumrntal ego to admit that he was used, played, bamboozled and hoodwinked by the MESSIAH.(Care to make a special comment on FISA votes and political expediancy, Keith?)

      Waffles owns nothing but his pathetic resume and a big piece of property financed by a criminal. He owns no principles, no standards, no ethics, no character. He certainly doesn’t own John Mc Cain. And he ain’t ever gonna own my vote.

      • http://takeaction.wordpress.com/ A.Citizen

        Thas ‘Chicken and Waffles’ Sir.

      • Clinton Fan

        Olberboy is banging a vaporheaded ex-blonde from California who could be his granddaughter in earlier societies. THAT’s why he’s so rabid about the Obama thing–he needs to appear “cool” so he can keep getting some without having to leave cash on the dresser.

        • chezmadame

          Don’t his “hip for and old guy glasses” do the trick anymore? No wonder his major sponsor is Viva Viagra.

        • Ted

          As opposed to McCain…

          • Hope Floats

            Who’s McCain banging?

        • NoBamaNoWay

          good one.

      • mr. natural

        I think the issue of his daughters was deliberately staged, hyped, and inflated to hide, as best he could, his capitulation on FISA.

    • sjl106

      obama is a better candidate? ROFLMAO!!!! Wow losing the popular vote and if the he and the DNC wouldn’t have disenfranchised MI & FL and stole the election he would have lost the delegate lead. For the pundits and party bosses pick he was getting his ass kicked since February, you know when the media tappered down there gushing over him.

  • Latte Liberal for McCain

    Thanks for this great piece, Bud. Obama is going to be finished after the Repubs run the ads of Obama swiftboating himself. Those battleground states he thinks he can win – NOT! He is easily recognizable as un-American. and Michelle, she’s a raving lunatic. Should be easy as pie.

  • makes me want to take up chain smokin

    And where are the DSs right now? Should they not be taking historical hints? Should they not be unbiased? History repeats itself. Have they never heard this before?

    • normita

      Oops I forgot, the SDs were threatened with castration. Nuts!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGxzqwRJUzM ummm

    Jesse the Mohel Jackson for President.

  • Seattle Moss

    It’s time for the Super Delegates to show me why I should stay a democrat.
    Make my day!
    You backed the wrong horse and have revealed to all your cowardly ways
    Nominate Hillary or lose me forever!!!

    • cofer

      There should be a list circulating, of all the Super-Duper delegates representing states won by Hillary.

      • mahaska

        Well Lois Capps won’t switch. She lives with her daughter who is married to one of bo’s advisors and her daughter works for Axelrod.
        I apologize. Capps used to be normal.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        yep; i live in SD (which went for hillary by 10+ points) but almost all our superdelegates are voting for obama. i’ll be sure to vote against the elected ones when i’m voting against obama.

    • Obama is a bum

      If the Democrats nominate Obama then I will vote straight Republican. I won’t tolerate this type of disgrace.

      • Latte liberal for McCain

        I agree with this strategy. What have Democrats done for us lately? Nothing. I would only vote for down ticket dems who supported Hillary, but I’m in Mass. so I have lots of down ticket dems to vote AGAINST.

        • Concerned Independent

          This is the only strategy that will work. The Democratic Party needs to be brought to its knees (and I don’t mean while servicing Obama). You don’t have to vote Republican – vote for your preferred candidates on Liberal or any other applicable party lines.

  • ummm

    “Have you noticed he’s already spending tons on airtime”

    McCain is outspending Obama 3-1 on TV and he STILL can’t get a lead. Not even in super red North Dakota.

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/mccain_adviser_were_outspendin.php

    BTW, why aren’t there any pro McCain posts on this site? Don’t you want to know who you’re voting for? He can tell us more about how the economy is great, we’re all just crazy for not seeing it.

    • HARP
    • Steven Mather

      FISA + Obama = umm’s spying paradise

    • bummm
    • Seattle Moss

      Obama should be ahead by 20 points
      Why isn’t ahead by more in this change year.

      We all know why!

      Obama is a coward!

      What are you going to do now that the Iraq war has been won.
      McCain is the hero that saved America from retreat and defeat.

      Obama,
      You might as well sit on your hands.
      it’s only going to get worse for you from here.

    • Joe Smith

      If you look at the polls you can see that Obama is staying at the same level and McCain is starting to gain ground against Obama. This will not happen fast. The intention of any campaign is to take over the lead slowly so that the opponent can’t react in time. When the Obama team realizes that they are loosing by large margins it will be to late. I won’t be surprised if Obama will loose NJ and NY.

      • NoObamislamists

        Exactly. By my estimates it only takes 2-3 weeks to turn public opinion around before it hits the saturation point. If the GOP/McCain plays it on simmer until the convention and then unleash the crap cannon in early October.

        Attack, attack, attack, make Obama play the defensive, and all that media oxygen gets sucked up answering the “flip flop” charges instead of taking control of the agenda.

        Patience, all my little grasshoppers… :)

        • Latte liberal for McCain

          I agree. If McCain attacks now, he loses his ammunition. He’s saving it all for the final round. It’ll be breathtaking.

          • Seattle Moss

            I wish someone would post the video of the state of the union address where bush talks about the success of the surge.
            Hillary got up and clapped our troops and America’s victories.
            Obama sat there with Kennedy wishing for defeat and retreat.

            That moment said it all for me.

          • Buddy

            Polls are meaningless now anyway. The general public pays scant attention to political news in the middle of summer. The big guns would be wasted if used at this time.

        • csuzeq

          The Repubs are used to winning. They have much more experience at it.

          Funny, I guess experience matters!

      • believe

        You do not mean “loose.”

        And how about some actual evidence based on poll averages, you know, the way real political analysts do it?

        • Seattle Moss

          You are pathetic with these polls

          Start absorbing more than what daily tracking polls give you.
          It’s not healthy to live by polls alone.

          A great political scientist would look outside the box at voter trends and listen to what people are saying.
          You’re not a good listener and I’m sure you have been told that often.

          What I see from you believe is an attempt to hide behind the polls which at this moment should show obama up 20 points.
          He’s not!!

          So maybe you should figure out why.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        McCain is creeping up, for sure, in NJ, MO, FL.

        Interesting.

        • Hope Floats

          Anna, you’ve an uncanny gift for reading polls. Of everyone who comments on this site, I tend to pay attention when you talk polls.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      i guarantee you the alleged “tie” in ND right now is a load of crap. i live in SD, which yes, is redder than ND, but there is no way in heck Obama is going to win ND. anybody who believes these polls is a fool.

    • NoBama

      The McCaininsts are the silent majority.
      They just come out on 11/4th and vote-no speeches, no Access Hollywood, no big stadium stagings need apply.
      The real deal gets elected-Period.

  • nobamainmissouri

    doing everything I can to see that nobama does not take Missouri. Bad enough that mccaskill sold out Hillary for $4200 from barky. She went on my crap list the day she endorsed him.
    Wrote a column in the local paper pointing out all barky’s lies. Intend to write more if editor will let me.
    Intend to run ads against barky, in other papers, after the convention if I need to.
    barky will not get Missouri if there is anything I can do to stop him.

    • hank48188

      I see McCaskill voted the same as Obama on the FISA Bill too, they sure had lots of DEMS selling out on that vote

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      Awesome!!! BOOYAH!!!
      No MO for BHO-
      DEEEEnied!!!!

    • Obama is a bum

      Missouri should demand that Obama show them that he has the qualifications/accomplishments before voting for him.

      “Frothy eloquence neither satisfies nor convinces me, I’m from Missouri you’ve got to show me.”

    • believe

      I guess you couldn’t stop him from winning the Missouri primary.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        yeah, it was an open primary, so who knows who was voting in it, and how many of them will actually vote vote for the dem in november. clinton was the *democratic* choice.

  • Tricia

    Just donated $50.00 to Hillary . I know Obama will take the credit for it. Hillary is by far the best person for the job.

    • Latte liberal for McCain

      I just donated, too! $50. And I had wanted the signature brown t-shirt with her name in aqua, so I ordered that, too. Can’t afford any of this, but Hillary’s my girl and I will not have her beholden to some a##hole – we have all been there, no way I will let that happen to her, or us.

      Everyone, donate to pay down Hillary’s debt! Even just $5 would help. This will help strengthen her ability to be on the ballot in Denver!

      • meileen

        Me too! What’s another $50 at this point.

        • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

          Awesome!!

          BOOYAH HILLRAISERS!!!

          Hillyeah!!!

        • Patti

          I put in another $50. today…and so have alot of others..any idea how much just today? The site was jammed for hours on end today.

          • stateofdisbelief

            The T-shirt idea will send Hillary way over the top! What a great idea. I can’t wait to get mine.

            A big thank you to the Clintons for all they’ve done and continue to do for us.

            We Love You Hillary!!!!

  • ummm

    Watch the new Obama logo, too funny.

    http://exurbanleague.com/2008/07/09/mickey-4-prez.aspx

    • Nicole

      Wow, I love that logo! Clever graphic.

  • YoNoForObama

    I kept going over to Gallup to look at the percentages and today it finally moved in Boboweenies favor by 1%. You know that told me their polling isn’t representative of what’s really going on because if you listen, really listen you hear a LOT of supporters no longer propping him up. Yet, Gallup continues to show him a percentage point after the disaster that was FISA? I don’t think so. They’re in the tank for the gutless wonder too.

  • Disgusted

    One thing you can always count on: Republicans will come out in droves to vote Republican. How many times have the Dems supposedly had this thing won, only to wake up the day after the election as losers? It is actually astounding. This year will be more of the same. Then add in the racists (yes there are plenty of those left), the disenchanted Dems and the pissed off women, and Obama doesn’t really stand a chance. Even decent Democratic candidates have a huge uphill battle. Obama is not a decent candidate.

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      That is what I think also…Obama has so much against him…more than any other dem has had…we will be saying president McCain if the dems don’t make Hill the nominee…

    • Obama is a bum

      Obama has the racist vote.

      • Disgusted

        Obama has half of the racist vote. There are plenty of white people who will not vote for Obama because he is black.

        • Obama is a bum

          Those people are more than offset by the white people who are voting for Obama because he is black.

          • Disgusted

            I wouldn’t count on that. Most Republicans and Independants haven’t voted yet. I would also bet that a fair amount of the people white guilted in the primaries are now numb to the race card.

            • Latte liberal for McCain

              I agree. Plus, plenty of white folk are none too pleased with the racist, anti-American folk Barack Hussein Obama surrounds himself with.

              And some of those white guilt folks? Well, they don’t like FISA, they don’t like the Iraq War, they’re pro-choice, they don’t like the death penalty, so, Obama is out. They may just stay home or vote only for down-ticket dems.

    • Clinton Fan

      Plenty of people are lying to pollsters, too, afraid of being called racists. Because that IS what happens when anyone dares to say they don’t think the guy is a good pick.

      Some are bullshitting their friends and family as well.

      Their lips say GOBAMA, but their pencil fills in the McCAIN oval on that ballot. These same people will shake their heads and wonder, in coyly innocent fashion, how Obama could have possibly lost!

      • stateofdisbelief

        I’m not afraid. When they call my house I tell them in no uncertain terms. NOBAMA NO WAY NO HOW!

        • Latte liberal for McCain

          I WISH they’d call me, oh would it be fun to give them an earful about how I WILL NOT VOTE for the fascist candidate!

    • Xkat

      He deserves to lose, caucus thief!!!

  • hank48188

    That’s just what Hillary has to say, she will probably be voting for her friend John Mccain. I know I will be, and almost everyone else I know. I do know a Obama supporter but he’s a employee of the TEAMSTERS, they support Obama because Obama told Jimmy Hoffa that he would interfere in the Justice Dept, just like BUSH, and remove the Gov’t oversight that protects the WORKERS from the TEAMSTERS.

    • ummm

      Yeah, don’t judge Hillary by her words and actions. Judge them by what some ignorant Republican twit on Noquarter has to say.

      • http://takeaction.wordpress.com/ A.Citizen

        That’s you right.

        By the way, nice screen name. Reminds me of Lon Cheney trying to say his name in ‘Hunchback of NotreDame’ actually the Hunchback was a far nobler man than you sir. Filled as you are with hate and fear.

        Hie!

        Take thee back to thy hole ‘neith yer bridge ye frightsome Troll. Ye are but fit to frighten children.

        Which is who most of Barkey’s supporters are.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          Ummmmmmmmmm needs a partner named ahhhhhhhh. Between the two of them they will have Obama’s vocabulary covered.

          • tampagurl

            *snicker*

          • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

            can’t stop laughing…

          • Latte liberal for McCain

            Uppity what would we do with you? You are the best!

          • andySF

            TOO FUNNY…

      • sic721

        So ummm, is that your name?
        Or just the sound you make in limos with BaWhack?

  • ummm

    Off to watch O’reilly and Hannity, be back in a couple of hours.

    • Patti

      Have fun, strapper.

    • Obama is a bum

      We’ll turn your computer off for you.

    • Xkat

      Don’t bother.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Speaking of ads…I know you all have seen the ads coming out against McCain…well one has been fact checked….
    AFL-CIO Falsely Attacks McCain
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145415

    The AFL-CIO is attacking McCain with a TV spot saying he voted “against increasing health care benefits for veterans.” Actually, he voted for increases in those benefits.

    The labor federation points to McCain’s votes against Democratic proposals to increase funding. Those were defeated along party lines, and then quickly followed by alternative measures to increase benefits by smaller amounts, all of which passed unanimously or with near-unanimous majorities. McCain supported all of them.

    The AFL-CIO also points to a McCain vote against a war spending supplemental appropriations measure from 2007 that included additional funding for veterans’ health care, along with much else. The measure passed the Senate along partisan lines but was vetoed by President Bush. But McCain voted for a later version of the supplemental that ultimately passed into law and actually included slightly more funding for veterans’ benefits.

    Analysis
    The AFL-CIO attack ad against John McCain starting airing today and is the first ad the labor federation has run in the 2008 presidential campaign. It will run in Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin for the next three weeks, according to a report in the Washington Post.

    We find the ad, narrated by Vietnam Veteran Jim Wasser, to be unduly harsh on McCain’s voting record on veterans’ health benefits.

    READ IT ALL HERE
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145415
    (They have it all)

    I am sick of ads that don’t have the facts right…It is dirty and that is not what America wants…if that is all the dems can do is make stuff up to bring down McCain it will not work…we are not stupid, we check the facts after all the deceiving the dem party has done this election. I don’t trust them at all anymore…

    • believe

      Right – NQ cares about accuracy – You folks make up more stuff than anyone else. Even when you post links, when you go to the site posted, the information doesn’t even support what you said about it. And then there’s the crazy rumors/smears you folks specialize in.

      • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

        What you can’t face the truth when handed to you…go cry some place else…

      • Xkat

        You couldn’t make up the type of garbage the Cult puts in your koolaid.

      • Xkat

        When aske aout Obama’s veep slot Strickland responded and I quote “H_LL $!@*! NO!!!”

      • Hope Floats

        Gotta link? HAHAHA.

  • Objective analysis

    See that is why I like facts and analysis. You don’t have Strickland, Rendell, Webb, and others who are in these states back away from being Obama’s VP if they know something is up with their states voting for this neophyte, inexperienced candidate.

    Democratic primaries (playoffs) v. General election (superbowl)

    Hmmmm!

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      I am ready for the Super Bowl this year and if not Hill then it will be McCain…someone I can trust to protect our country…

  • HARP

    Good News

    Senator Clinton’s delegates have been coordinating on their own, however, which they have every right to do. They are supporting one another and attempting to prepare a nominating petition to be used at the convention if the usual rules apply. Of course none of Senator Clinton’s delegates want to put her in an awkward position, either during the current negotiations or at the party convention itself.

    Throughout the day, the Clinton delegates have been preparing a petition, which requires the collection of a certain number of delegate signatures from different state delegations. Then, they need a safe place to send their signatures. It is with real honor that I tell readers of this space that the delegates have asked me to consider to accepting their signatures and to keep the paperwork safe until the time when it can be used to aid Senator Clinton. The delegates know I will guard that paperwork with my life. They also know that I will not release it without being sure that any such release will not harm Senator Clinton, who I continue to hold in the highest esteem.

    http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      That is wonderful news…Thank you to Heidi for all she has done and is doing for Senator Clinton!!

    • Steven Mather

      Thank you. You are a good role model.

    • believe

      You need 300 delegates and Clinton’s written agreement to put her on the ballot.

      How close are you to 300?
      And is Clinton planning on signing such a letter?

      • malisam

        I think she will because my girl had Obama help her pay her debt. How funny would it be if she turned around and got the nomination?

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Puma sent me names today of Texas delegates to send letters to so that they would stick with Hillary.

      I’m not sure how I feel about this action.

      I’m still mulling it over.

      • Teakwood

        What’s to think about?

  • hmmm

    He has a small lead in virginia, ohio, pa, and montana, he’s tied in nd. i don’t know about that

    • Patti

      Go back and watch H&C. We were looking forward to that break you promised.

      Don’t Forget: Employees must wash their hands.

  • Obama is a bum

    If people want to protest in massive numbers then they can get to SDs to defeat Obama but they have not shown a willingness to do it. It was the threat of protests that got the SDs over to Obama. The side that is usually placated is the side that is most likely to protest — advantage Obama.

    • believe

      No, it wasn’t the threat of protests that got supers to support Obama —

      It was the fact that he won MORE PLEDGED DELEGATES. Supers said before Obama clinched that that would be important and even more said that afterwards.

      It was always about pledged delegates.

      • Obama is a bum

        They all new that Hillary was a better candidate and we were told over and over again that they were afraid of the black base protesting. Sharpton threatened to protest and they were worried about riots.

        Now go back to your black liberation theology class.

        • believe

          “We were told” – By who? The folks who run this site?

          This is nonsense.

          • Obama is a bum

            Obama will throw you under the bus if you don’t get back to black liberation theology class.

            • Xkat

              Who’s minding the koolaid stand while you’re here?

  • ame

    I always thought that this new map that Obama’s campaign concocted was BS. The media fell for it hook, line and sinker.

    • Patti

      Everything that comes out of his piehole is “new’. And Improved of course.

    • believe

      Except that all the sites that track state polls show it was an excellent projection thus far.

  • believe

    Obama’s not in trouble in OH or PA

    -

    Well, not if you care about evidence. Here’s the current poll averages.

    Real Clear Politics Pollster
    PA Obama +7.7 Obama +9.7
    OH Obama +4.5 Obama +4.1

    Plus the trends are IN Obama’s direction.

    Yet another example of NQ diaries filled with people who just make things up!

    • osbama

      Are you just part-time now? You disappeared for a few hours and we couldn’t make sense of anything without you.

      • believe

        Sorry I can’t be here all the time. But I have a life.

        • Obama is a bum

          You fooled us. Obama’s thugs must be carting you away to BLT.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFUkoHi_Jxk snail

          Listen dude, he’ll be in some real trouble when this tape gains traction over the next few days:
          http://whiteytape.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/the-whitey-tape-is-here/

          You might want to re-consider your allegiances after you see what Reverend Wright does on the tape–he actually smokes crack on camera, washes it down with Mad Dog 20-20, and then throws dice for hos right there on the conference table with 50 Cent and R Kelly.

          • StrawberrybitesBarky

            Gawd, I hate summer. All the smart ass punks that don’t have to get a job are out being royal pains in the backsides. I’m guessing this one is too much of a loser to be out whooping it up with friends.

    • http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

      Perhaps you’re innumerate, but that’s those very small leads (and in the case of Ohio within the margin of error) are a poor place to be for an unvetted, illegitimate nominee.

      • believe

        So Obama is in trouble because he is in the lead.

        So that means that McCain is in great shape because he’s behind.

        Think – If you were a campaign manager, would you prefer to be ahead or behind? The question answers itself.

        Besides which, the entire concept of margin of error does not apply to a poll average. Those who are numerate understand that margin of error has to do with sampling error which applies, you know, to a sample. It does not apply to a set of samples. In fact, if you have a set of samples and they show a strong tendency in one direction, then you can be QUITE certain that this is a real situation, not an artifact of sampling error.

        • Hope

          Think-if you were a concerned voter would you prefer an American hero or a self-serving politician with no compassion, ability, or core values?

          • StrawberrybitesBarky

            Don’t forget his harpy of a wife.

        • NoBamaNoWay

          really, it doesn’t make that much difference on way or the other; it’s the middle of july, for christ’s sake. those polls don’t mean anything.

        • Teakwood

          Std-AVG-DEV. Go away.

    • Patti

      Just like everything he makes up and refines/clarifies/distracts to (empty)suit which way the wind is blowing.

      Plus, too, I know you’re just kidding, anyway.

      You shuld get your own website because you are brilliant and need attention.

      You could get your own Donate button, too.

    • Xkat

      Mccain will win both those states.

    • Xkat

      McCain will win both OH and PA and NJ to boot.

      • Teakwood

        And California.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Nah*..CA is blue. He’s ahead by 16 points already here.

          • Teakwood

            penny bet. k?

          • Hope Floats

            Only 16+ now? It was 26+ two weeks ago.

  • believe

    Oh, and Missouri and Florida are far less problematic than this post suggests. But, really, they are not necessary.

    And where did you get the idea that Obama is looking south?

    No one credible has ever argued that.

    Obama is looking west — CO and NM are very good for Obama, with NV close. Plus you have MT and ND polls that are amazing for a Democratic presidential nominee. You also have strong midwest polls in the swing state of Iowa and also in Indiana, a traditionally Republican state.

    • etrog

      Hey believe
      Is Jesse envy of BHO?

    • Seattle Moss

      Believe,
      I’m really getting tired of your stupidity.
      Oh, and Missouri and Florida are far less problematic than this post suggests. But, really, they are not necessary.

      The race today
      44 Obama
      42 McCain

      Obama doesn’t win the states he should.

      Obama the Coward!
      Sat on his hands while victory was being realized in Iraq
      What a traitor
      I guess your in the same company believe

      • believe

        So you pick out the one poll with a two point margin when there others out today with different margins?
        That’s a sign of intellectual dishonesty and a clear lack of understanding of how to interpret polls.

        If you don’t look at poll averages and trends, you are cherrypicking by definition. And that is a dishonest approach to analyzing poll data.

        I would be FIRST to admit if Obama was having trouble in the polls, but it would not be based on a single poll. I look both at poll averages and the internals, how different questions break down. Try some more detailed, rigorous analysis. It’s more fun than taking your story about the campaign and making every bit of data fit it. And it’s actually an honest approach.

        • Bud White

          Intellectual dishonesty is saying you’ll filibuster FISA and then voting for it.

          Keep typing, Axlerod is cutting checks!

          • believe

            I don’t agree with Obama on FISA.

            However, none of that has anything to do with this diary or my post. You’re changing the subject because you don’t want to actually engage in discussion.

            That’s another common NQ tactic.

            • a

              Please, changing the subject. Not addressing a comment. You are the f’in master of that. You never address someone’s comment you just post ‘what about Hillary’, ‘what about McCain’ replies.

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeVKqp_hsJY Gray Cracka

                What about Hillary?

                She’s a hog-faced crybaby.

                Who lost. Go cry.

                • StrawberrybitesBarky

                  Wow, you’re a classy guy. No wonder you can’t get laid.

            • rjj

              democrat aka realdemocrat aka believe.

              these are interesting choices.

              wonder if believe will degrade to hope which will become wish.

              all is flux.

        • Seattle Moss

          I actually have a college level understanding statistics.
          Personally, I don’t look at any of the polls like you do.
          McCain is going to be championed as the winner of the Iraq war
          He advocated the surge when everyone else wanted retreat and defeat.
          Looking at the demographic make up of this election it is very possible that McCain could win 40 states.

          Obama is a coward Anti-American who sat on his hands and didn’t get up to clap the victories America has made in Iraq.
          That is disgraceful
          Why did obama want America to lose the Iraq war??

          • believe

            That is a very unusual perspective, given that the polls show that most people want the war to end and think the war was a mistake.

            • Seattle Moss

              That’s the problem with your analysis.
              Foreign policy is not based on polls.
              The reason Obama is starting to change on Iraq is because he has to now defend America. That means holding up the doctrine of the Projection of American power in the world.

              I know you don’t understand!

              • Seattle Moss

                Believe,
                You live in the present.
                I’m a thinker who can see events evolving months ahead of now.
                As it becomes more greatly known that Iraq is becoming an independent democratic state which allies itself with the west and the united states more people are going to figure out how close we came to defeat and retreat which is forever in history
                We can thank McCain for not giving us this humiliation.

                • believe

                  Most people are anti-war and I don’t think that’s going to change. The war is a huge waste of money and we could use that money over here for our own people.

                  • Seattle Moss

                    You still just don’t get it.
                    Western Civilization itself depends on our success in Iraq.
                    You can’t put a price tag on that!

                    • believe

                      Is this snark?

                      Really.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeVKqp_hsJY Gray Cracka

                      Oh yeah, Western civilization depends on Iraq.
                      Does that mean the downfall of whitey?

                    • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

                      No, it doesn’t. I agree with Moss that President McCain would be a lesser evil than President Plastic Jesus, but Moss has swallowed the War Lobby’s propaganda hook, line, and sinker, and they have him flopping in the boat.

                      What we need is a crash program, in the Manhattan or Apollo Project style, to develop energy independence so that we can abandon the Middle East and let those wretched tribes of eternally quarrelling barbarians shoot, stab, bludgeon, and detonate one another to their assorted colorful varieties of mythological perdition, and sweet good riddance to the filthy lot of them!

                      The last war in which the freedom or survival of the USA was at stake ended in 1945. All the wars since then have happened to protect the privileges of Big Business to rape the Global South with impunity.

                      Moss, if we pulled out of the world and just used our Armed Forces to defend this country–you know, their real function–no one could invade or destroy this country. Our lords and masters, the corporate rich, have brainwashed you to believe otherwise so that you’ll be willing to sacrifice all the American blood and treasure it takes to beat the Global South into submission so that Big Business can plunder the GS safely.

                      What has Big Business done for you, Moss, to deserve the loyalty that you give it?

    • http://budwhite.wordpress.com/ Bud White

      And where did you get the idea that Obama is looking south?

      No one credible has ever argued that.

      I understand that you get paid by the word, but please get your facts straight. Today: “Obama bids to turn Virginia blue: The Swamp”

      • believe

        Virginia is not the deep south. Virginia is trending blue.

        Oh, and yes, if he puts a southerner on the ticket, VA and other southern states are in play. But that’s not the key to the election, as suggested by this diary.

        • Bud White

          Virginia is not the deep south.

          Ok…it’s not the deep South. Granted. It’s the South, which is what I said. CNN two days ago:
          “Obama looks to turn Georgia blue”

          http://starturl.com/brqjb

          I BELIEVE you’re troll who lives in a fictional world.

          Does Georgia count as the deep South?

          • believe

            Those states would be icing on the case for Obama.

            Look at any of the electoral vote maps out there – CO, NM, IO, NV – those are far more important to an Obama victory.

            • Hope

              Obama will not change the electoral map, who does he think he is kidding? You know it, and so does everbody else. He couldn’t even win the Dem primary without bullying and cheating just to lose most of the highly contested primaries where he overspent his opponent 3 or 4 to 1.

              Sorry, no caucuses or arbitrary assignment of delegates. Have you even considered how he could lose so badly when the entire press deemed him the nominee long before the final votes were cast? Millions came out to vote against him, millions in his own party, millions that were told their vote would mean nothing..some motivation, huh?

              Wait until all those who did not invest their time to look into Mr Obama find out about his “character”…tick tock, sweetie.

        • ssmith

          VA in play??? LOL!!!!

          I live in northern VA, this whole state is so pro-military!!! either you work for the military or a DOD contractor..

          trust me.. they will not vote for someone who they are not even sure loves this country.. and someone who has as his friends.. Bill Ayers, someone who still is unrepentent about trying to bomb the pentagon and wishes he did more..

          in case you don’t know: the pentagon is IN VA!!

          yeahh.. I’m sure VA is gonna go blue.. keep drinking that kool-aid!

          • Fred C. Dobbs

            I do believe that, for many decades, the DoD is the biggest single employer in Virginia.

    • Obama is a bum

      The Obama thugs will take away your Wright and Phleger posters if you don’t get back to your black liberation theology class.

    • Patti

      There’s always, Kansas, too, Scarecrow.

      • malisam

        I really see Kansans voting for Obama. BWAHAHA Then you have the governor drinking the kool-aid. Sebelius just wants to be Veep and that disappoints me about her because at one time she had so much potential.

    • Latte liberal for McCain

      What’s that I hear? Michelle ranting against Whitey? Oops, there goes the West, all those levers are going to go for McCain! It’s gonna be a happy, happy October!

    • Hope Floats

      “I’m probably the only candidate who, having won the nomination, can actually redraw the political map,” Obama replied to a question about his strategy from a Concord, N.H., woman at a house party last August. Pacing around the old Victorian home, the wooden floor creaking, Obama went on: “I’ll give you one specific example: Mississippi is 40% African American, but it votes 25% African American. If we just got the African Americans in Mississippi to vote their percentage, Mississippi is suddenly a Democratic state. And Georgia may be a Democratic state. Even South Carolina starts being in play. And I guarantee you African-American turnout, if I’m the nominee, goes up 30% around the country, minimum.”

      But I’ll award you a point for saying no one credible has argued that. ;)

  • stateofdisbelief

    Trust me ummm. I live in PA and PA will NOT go for Obama. Those polls over-survey Dems showing skewed results. Reality will bear out other results.

    It’s a lock.

    • stateofdisbelief

      I mean believe [you're all starting to look alike]

      • etrog

        Did you notice how judgMENTAL she is?

        • fif

          Don’t even bother with believe. She/he spends ALL DAY LONG here trying to convince us of a lie. It’s quite sad.

          • osbama

            There’s got to be some kind of rehab for her condition.

            • Fred C. Dobbs

              A date with Kobe Bryant?

    • believe

      There are more Democrats these days than there used to be so I can understand why you think they’re being oversampled. But in fact people are fleeing the Republican party, so there are far fewer Republicans than there used to be and they’re going, surprise, surprise, to the Democratic party.

      And anyway the fact that multiple polls show a lot of agreement in PA results means that this is not an artifact of sampling error. Sampling error is a random phenomena and random errors cancel each other out.

      • Bud White

        Thanks for the this “brilliant” essay on polling. You’ve really added to the conversation. Perhaps now you can afford to buy more Kool-Aid.

        • believe

          You don’t really want to learn anything, do you?

          What a blog! You call people cultists yet you folks don’t actually ever engage a point or follow a line of argument. All you want is cheerleading for your anti-Obama point of view.

          • mr. natural

            And all you do is crow about polls like they were baseball statistics.

            The stats aren’t the problem, believer.

            Your candidate is.

            Obama is a pandering, centerless, unprincipled liar.

            • Teakwood

              Obama is a pandering, centerless, unprincipled liar.

              And he is batting 0.

      • stateofdisbelief

        OH that’s right believe. All of those “republicans for a day” Obama signed up. Guess what? That “day” has passed.

        • Seattle Moss

          My brother and his wife were one of those types.
          Democrats for a day.
          McCain in the fall!

      • bemused

        This former statistics teacher suggests you review the basic notion of the error distribution, as well as “margin of error” and “confidence interval.” Your personal confidence interval is biased.

  • fif

    “McCain has yet to challenge the premises behind the Obama candidacy, and is allowing him to consolidate support.”

    WHY?? Yesterday, McCain was on ABC News with Charles Gibson, and Gibson came right out and asked him about Obama’s flip-flops. McCain demurred and said, “Voters will decide on their own about that.”

    I know McCain has said repeatedly that he wants to have a “respectful campaign,” but c’mon dude! Charlie gave you a big fat pitch over the plate, take a swing at it man! I hope he is just doing the “good guy” thing so that the evil Republicans out there can do all the dirty work, because if they think Obama will play fair, they’ve got another thing comin’.

    • believe

      He can’t challenge Obama’s shifts because he has done that so much himself! You folks don’t get that because you spend all your time focusing on ONE candidate. The rest of the world actually pays attention to both of them.

      • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

        I have been paying attention to both candidates and McCain has not had as many CENTRAL policy shifts as Obama.

        • believe

          That’s a reasonable point of view, but I think that for most voters, they have a different perspective.

          • stateofdisbelief

            Nope…every republican is on “zip your lip” duty until 8/29. Then all bets are off.

            You didn’t think Karl Rove really retired did you?

        • fif

          And certainly NOT in a 2 week period–it’s ludicrous.

      • fif

        I wasn’t talking to you.

        So…you’re reasoning is: BOTH of them flip-flop.

        Ok. Let’s consider that line of reasoning: both flip-flop, but ONE candidate has 2 decades of experience on the Armed Services Committee, showed amazing courage and honor during his imprisonment, and has a documented history of working across the aisle.

        The other…none of the above.

        Tough choice. I wonder how middle Americans will ever decide.

        • believe

          Actually, McCain has few accomplishments and has an extremely conservative voting record.

          • Seattle Moss

            Wrong again stupid.
            McCain is a maverick who thinks for himself and doesn’t get caught up in ideological or religious issues which has really ticked off the right wing.
            McCain has accomplished the ultimate!!
            McCain has won the Iraq war for America. Without McCain’s steadfastness America today would be looking at retreat and defeat and total humiliation in the world. Instead we’re going to have a democracy in Iraq which allies itself against the Iranian threats.

            What we do see happening is that the Clinton wing is being absorbed into the McCain wing

            A majority is being realized in the center such as in past years.1980 and 1992.

            • stateofdisbelief

              Don’t forget that McCain led the effort to stop the republicans from their nuclear option of removing the filibuster option for judge deliberations. He took a lot of crap for that but it was the right thing to do. See…that’s what a REAL public servant does – they seek to do what’s best for the country, not their campaign.

              Obama’s current strategy is screw the left, they are now trapped with nowhere else to go. That’s the mark of an opportunist. But his fatal error is that they DO have other options.

            • believe

              There’s a lot of pro-war folks here, arguing a position that Hillary Clinton certainly didn’t argue.

              Conclusion: They NEVER supported her.

              • Seattle Moss

                Hillary has always been a Goldwater Republican first, which means to me that she would look at foreign policy in a realistic way similar to her Husband and would not shirk in the way of threats and the defense of the United States.
                On Iraq she said that conditions on the ground would have to be taken into account. She also mentioned that the Iraq people should not be abandoned.
                Hillary did move to the left because of the radical left wing, hate America crowd but I knew in my heart that she is conservative on foreign policy and is on the same foreign policy committee as McCain.
                I thought that her response about Iran was spot on.

    • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

      Yeah your right. I admire the man for playing it fair and all, but I think his team needs to teach him that he can go after Obama while also being respectful.
      Then you have to think of it this way… Any percieved negative attack against Obama will be blown way out of proportion by the mainstream media. So McCain can afford to play it cool (and probabaly needs to) until August, then he needs to step it up. He can’t allow Obama to solidify.

    • J. J..

      What a strange year. I have always hated the Republican smear machine. Now I find myself hoping they are ready to launch.

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    I have feeling Obama will lose. I mean the only way he really won the nomination was with his very left policies. This shift to the center is not going to mean a damn thing, unless McCain just messes up BAD.
    I can see it now. The RNC will run constant ads about his shifts. The ads will show Obama saying one thing in Jan 08 and another in July 08. And then the final piece will be him talking about changing politics as usual. (There are tons of user generated content on youtube NOW)
    I don’t think policy will really be an issue. They will paint him as an untrustworthy person who will not stand a chance against the McCain “honor, integrity” system. All McCain really has to do is seperate himself from Bush and other NeoCons. Although they will be able to clinch the election if they can weaken his policies, which is also doable. Afterall average Americans are not going to trust the policies of a man who can’t keep his word.
    Obama may get the cities, but he has a hard time in the suburbs and rural areas. That was Clinton country and these ads will run there non stop. Not only will McCain keep his Republican base, but he will also win over many Dems and Independents.

    • believe

      And Obama can run ads about McCain’s shifts. There are SO SO many!

      Big, big list of McCain flip-flops here:
      http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html

      The rest of the world == outside of the anti-Obama blogosphere — they already know about this.

      • Hope

        No one is buying that crap. See, McCain’s changes are widely viewed as a response to the wishes of the people of this country. Like his energy plan, Americans want to explore all avenues to get to energy independence. Immigration, Americans are for border control. McCain acknowledges these things.

        Obama flip flops without the benefit of a core value system. He does not change his mind based on a newly acquired sense of right, he PANDERS, blatantly and badly. Most Americans know a self serving liar when they see one. To know Obama is certainly not to trust him.

        • believe

          Another evidence free post. The CNN poll found that MORE people viewed McCain as a flip-flopper although their numbers were similar – and people saw both positively.

          • Hope

            You have been on this site long enough to know exactly what I’m referencing with your Obamessiah. Do you want yet another litany of his failings?
            You know what issues he’s flipped on
            here’s a few:
            FISA
            Gun control
            Death Penalty
            Abortion
            THE WAR!!!!!
            (those are pretty big issues)

            You’re just upset because the more people get to know him, the less votes he’ll get.

            Btw,
            Who did CNN ask, Donna Brazile? CNN has provided completely biased coverage for months now, in case you haven’t noticed.

          • normita

            CNN blows O. That is a fact.

      • osbama

        lost your little red book?

      • Bud White

        At least the Republican nominee received more votes than your illegitimate candidate with a thimble full of experience and racist, anti-American friends.

        Since Jesse! has been in the news, I have a related message for you from Cartman:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKCmKE7AP4g

        • Teakwood

          Alex, I’ll will take “Video BO” for a hundred… [Buds White's link]

          Answer is;
          what is; what Obama said to Sinclair?

          :)

  • Teakwood

    Bud White; correct me if I am wrong, but from what I can tell, Senator Clinton supporters ARE having an effect. The “poll” numbers I look at are “weighted” but with out Hillary’s numbers as part of the “equation”. While looking at Kerry’s numbers and comparing them to this situation, it is difficult to see the effect of the “POTUS in the room”. Kerry who was not facing a circus nomination and the fracturing of the Party

    The numbers for BO are unreliable and how much of the “bump” Hillary shaved off is hard to tell.

    As always, interesting read.

    • Bud White

      Thank you. Yes, I think that’s true. Also, Obama’s numbers are inflated because the country wants change in a generic sense, but many people have not started seriously paying attention yet.

      • believe

        Read the poll reports. They are on line and explain how the polls are done in detail.

        And you can find out for yourself.

        And pollster don’t weight that way. It’s NEVER done.

        But you are right that polls can change and very well may.

        • Teakwood

          Believe, from human being to another and for what it’s worth;

          There many kinds of sight. To “believe” everything you read on face value is a kin to a fundamentalism, pick your flavor of the month.

          I may “believe” that there is, as Carl Sagen did, life on other planets. It does NOT mean I can see it. That is the problem for you.

          As a Kite, and one made of Teakwood at that, the event horizon is what I see.

          My sight is not gleaned from what I “believe”; rather it is gained from trust in oneself and borne by “Assumming Nothing”; in other words “believing nothing”. How does a Redtail “see” a mouse from a “No-quarter” mile up?

          In many cases lateral drift is unavoidable and attention to what you don’t see is more telling than what you “believe” strictly based on stimuli taken on face value. That is the problem for you.

          Somewhere in this video is everyone you ever known and cared for. It is something I know and does not require the need to believe it.

          Carl Sagan’s – Pale Blue Dot

          “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M”

      • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Medusa

        Bud, great piece. BO’s group skews the numbers, as we know, but the truth will bear out. He will lose.

      • Teakwood

        when the Energy / Security / Economy spin starts up we will I think what the ducktape Dems do….

        “http://www.cfr.org/publication/16730/israel_the_west_and_a_nuclear_iran.html?breadcrumb=%2Fregion%2F404%2Firan”

    • believe

      They’re not weighted. And if you want to see how much Clinton has shaved off, look at the Pew poll released today. It shows the trend of Clinton supporters toward Obama. In that poll, he’s now getting 69% of them and is ahead of McCain by 8 points. And there’s lots of interesting data in the poll about relative interest and enthusiasm of Democrats versus Republicans.

      • Bud White

        When does your replacement come on duty?

      • osbama

        You are arguing about crap. By election time none of these polls would matter. If you’re trying to make yourself feel good, there are easier ways to do so.

        • StrawberrybitesBarky

          Believe is trying hard to convince herself, not us. That’s why she sounds so desperate, so shrill.

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    In the long run, I think the party that loses the White House this year will prove to be the luckier party. I suspect the next four years will have so many bills, literal and metaphorical, coming due for this country that the next prez can’t possibly win a second term.

    The next president will be the next Jimmy Carter. I don’t think Jimmy was a bad prez; I don’t think anyone could have come through the late ’70s and won a second term–there was just too much bad karma coming due for the USA at that time.

    Actually, Sen. Clinton is lucky that the Chicago Leninist goon squads stole the Democratic nomination this year. This will leave her free to run in 2012 if McCain wins, or 2016 after a GOP prez if Plastic Jesus wins this time.

    • Buddy

      I don’t think Carter was a bad prez either, I voted for that buffoon. He was worse than bad, he ranks down in the pits of the worst of the worst, tied with Buchanan. Now Obama has the potential to exceed that dubious distinction.

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    And “believe”, you best believe I’m working to debunk everyone one of your McCain “flip-flops” with solid facts and reasoning. Cause that’s what logical people do.

  • YoNoForObama

    WILL YOU PLEASE, PLEASE NOT RESPOND TO THE TROLLS. Leave them alone. Just scroll past their posts. DO NOT engage them. Let them talk to themselves. They get very desperate when no one, and I MEAN NO ONE responds to them. They are only here because you engage them and it just pisses me off to have them here and spouting their stupid nonsense.

    • Bud White

      Good idea — off to eat ice cream.

    • Latte liberal for McCain

      You’re right. Mea culpa. I think everyone should have to send $5 to pay off Hillary’s debt every time they talk to a troll.

      • mahaska

        You’re right. I’m off to cook supper.

    • normita

      Sorry…you are right, but it is sport for some of us.

      • mahaska

        You are also right. On days I feel mean, I like to mess with their heads.

      • stateofdisbelief

        It’s also fun to twirl the hair on their head and make it stand straight up in a point!

    • believe

      Funny!

    • basil

      Iagree.

      If this keeps up NQ should be renamed the BELIEVE site.

      :-(

  • jangles

    I think the most ominous news for all of us who dread an Obama victory is the malaise of the Republicans—they are not behind their candidate; they have little enthusiasm for the contest; they seem to have conceded that Obama is going to win and, oh well. Do you think maybe they think he will be bad enough to deep six not only his administration but the Democrats one and all? McCain just seems to flounder around hopelessly wrapped up in the trappings of Republican yesterdays. He needs some IDEAS very soon.

    • Dan R.

      Jangles, you are mistaken. The GOP is behind McCain at least as much, if not more, than the Democrats are behind Barack Obama. There is no equivalent to “PUMA” on the Republican side. Granted, a significant portion of the extreme right would rather have ANY Republican than McCain heading the ticket. But at the end of the day, the prospect of an economic socialist and a foreign policy neophyte like Barack Obama winning the presidency will galvanize them into action.

      Did you see the latest fund-raising numbers for June? McCain had his best month yet and he ended the month of June with as much money in the bank as Obama. On top of that, the RNC has significantly more money in the bank than does the DNC, and that’s the money that will go towards 527 ads against Obama in key states this Fall.

      I agree that McCain’s campaign needs to sharpen its focus, but that’s why they brought in a new guy last week to take over day-to-day management of the campaign. Over the past few days, McCain has offered specific proposals on both energy independence and the overall economy that have been favorably received by economists.

      • For Impartial Journalism

        Thanks, Dan R. The thing that confounds a lot of people is that they are looking at Republicans now as they were BGHWB (that’s Before George Herbert Walker Bush).

        In the main, Republican dirty politics has been mostly confined to the campaign years that had a Bush running.

        The more centrist (prior to the Moral Majority now Neocon/Right-Wing) Republican party which existed through the first term of Ronald Reagan are a quieter group. They have been part of the party all along but they are now the main supporters of McCain (not discounting Dems for McCain at all here and thank the Lord for them – I’m only discussing the Reps right now).

        Centrists love McCain but also trust that as long as he sticks to his “honor”, he is like the tortoise in the old tortoise and hare fable. Eventually, Obama, the hare, will run himself out and be so far ahead he’ll think he can take a nap.

        Slow and steady tortoise McCain will quietly take the lead and cross the finish line before Snobama remembers to bring his helium-inflated head out of the dreamclouds.

        Notice it is the right-wingers that are so irritated that McCain doesn’t blast Obama. The Centrists believe that few if any really dirty 527 ads will be necessary.

        Only time will tell whether or not the Centrists are right.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      That’s OK. We’ll energize them. They just believed too much that this wasn’t their year.

      He’s starting to show good news stuff.

  • Deep Truths

    Huh, only TWO Obamabots reporting in. Must be a cash sho rtage in Obamaland. Hillary’s supporters raised six to ten million this past 4th of July weekend. Wouldn’t it be wild if she outraised his Holeyist?

    Btw, what did BO raise in June? Why so late with the firgures? Ah, he was trending down ever since they stole the nomination for him. Hmmm.

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      McCain raised 22 million. O’boy has not reported June totals.

      I am guessing O’boy did not break 10 mil.

      When he was getting all that “Beat Hillary” funding, the Obots were tripping overthemselves to get the totals to the MSM. Now they are in hiding.

  • typical.white.person

    I never read the orange blog, but I have it on my RSS feeds.

    I noticed an article titled, “Obama’s FISA sellout: bad law, bad politics,” so I went to see what they were saying.

    I saw this and cracked up laughing:

    I got my $450 back from the Obama campaign and closed down my.barackobama.com web page. I de-friended Obama on LinkedIn and removed myself from all democrat and obama related email lists.

    I was an idiot for thinking that Obama or the democrats gave two shits about protecting the rule of law.

    He can win without my help. I’ve given up on mainstream politics in this country.

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      YIKES!!!! Obama gives refunds? Sweeeeet. I wonder how many times that has ever happened.

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    Obama knows this to be true. That is why he is pushing his appeal to whites, that is why he trying to look centrist.

    The whole Jesse Jackson “Nut Cutting” comment was staged to help O’boy’s appeal with whites. The speaches chastizing Black Men for abandoning their families, and “talking down to Blacks” is designed to increase O’boy’s appeal with whites.

  • JS Ruby

    My feeling has been that whatever lead BO enjoys right now will evaporate in the fall. The polls that I read are a joke. I think people just make up stuff for pollsters and laugh at them.

    HRC 2012

  • DancingOpossum

    Jeebus, leads of only 4-5% in major swing states, seriously, should have the O-Team very, very nervous. If I were an O backer I’d be sweating bullets. He should be shellacking McCain, not just hanging onto the margin of error. Maybe that’s why they are getting so hysterical about putting HRC’s name on the Denver ballot (and btw not doing so is a direct violation of their oh-so-beloved rules). I think that’s what we should be asking Howard Dean, Donna Be, and the DNC: What are you afraid of?

    Has ANY candidate ever, for any party, had to be this coddled and sheltered and protected and given unfair break after unfair break, by his party? Jeebus. Maybe Bush in 2000? I don’t remember it that way but then again, that whole election was a surreal experience for me.

    What a strange year. I have always hated the Republican smear machine. Now I find myself hoping they are ready to launch.

    Indeed! I keep asking my Republican friends when they are going to roll out the show, I want to get started! It will certainly be another surreal experience this time– I’ll be watching the GOP slime machine and actually cheering it on! Strange days indeed.

  • stodghie

    the thought of obama in europe leaves me well cringing just like i did when bush went. no wonder europeans look at us with distain.

  • apachegrl

    Living in PA. .peopel want Hillary and probably if no other choice write in her name as a protest to a party that has proven very undemocratic, we already know the reublicans are. we don’t want Mccain or Obama.

    From what I hear both Ohio and PA. would be overjoyed to have Hillary but she has been dismissed for the one, they selected ,after she won 18 million voters! pretty amazing huh?